June 11, 2024 • 31 mins
In this month's instalment of 'Soulful Chats', I am joined by Clinical Psychologist and Coach, Dr Samantha Clarke.
Samantha shares with us her personal healing journey with spirituality, and how her life has been enriched by incorporating spirituality more fully into her life and work.
Join us as we explore all the ways spirituality can benefit individuals health and wellness, as well as transform the world by raining our awareness at the Collective level.
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Tatiana (00:00):
Welcome to the Integrated Wisdom Podcast.
I am your host, Tatyana DaSilva.
Join me as we discuss what itmeans to live an integrated life
and explore ways for you tocreate a life filled with
greater meaning, peace, andconnection by integrating the
wisdom of spirituality,psychology, Neuroscience,
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Epigenetics and EnergyPsychology are hoped to empower
you to create deeper and moreloving connections with yourself
and others, whilst also pavingthe way for humanity at large to
be reimagined and inspired tobecome the very best version of
itself.
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Hello and welcome to theIntegrated Wisdom Podcast.
Thank you so much for joining mefor yet another week.
Today I have another monthlyinstallment of Soulful Chats,
and I have the pleasure ofhaving my colleague and friend,
Dr.
Samantha Clark, who's a clinicalpsychologist and coach.
She is deeply passionate aboutwomen's health and supporting
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women in connecting with theirauthentic selves and creating
life from this place of personalmeaning and passion.
Sam incorporates a holisticapproach to healthcare, placing
emphasis on helping eachindividual move towards a more
fulfilling and meaningful life.
Her PhD is in the area ofmotivation and goal setting, and
she's passionate about assistingpeople in finding their true
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intrinsic motivation, whichcreates the foundations for
their self care and wellnesspractices.
She's the director of apsychology practice called Inner
Light Psychology on the SunshineCoast of Queensland.
Sam is also the founder ofMindBody Resilience, which
provides coaching, groupprograms and retreats for health
professionals and women inAustralia.
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And overseas, Sam has beenworking in the field of
psychology for more than 20years and has training in
nutrition, personal training,mindfulness, meditation, and
specializes in addressinglifestyle factors that impact
physical and psychologicalhealth.
Sam is also a lifelong learnerand seeker, continuously
expanding her knowledge throughtraining in quantum coaching,
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pranic healing, and breath work.
She enjoys exploring her owndreams and intuition, firmly
believes that true healing comesfrom within.
An ocean lover and natureenthusiast, Sam resides in Noosa
with her partner, Scott andtheir son, Lennox.
Together, they strive to createa life filled with freedom,
love, fun, vitality, andadventure.
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Sam believes that we're all hereto experience growth and to
share our unique gifts withothers, aiming to alleviate
suffering and spread love andkindness.
Welcome Sam.
Dr Samantha Clarke (02:47):
me, Tatiana.
Lovely to be here.
Tatiana (02:51):
Oh, I just love that bio because it aligns so, so
strongly with the things thatwe've been talking about offline
and some of the things I've beentalking, I've been talking about
in the podcast.
Uh, it was one of the thingsthat drew us together.
I think that we have this sharedvision and mission for shining a
light on how spirituality canhelp people's, uh, transcend
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suffering.
Uh, so I'm really excited for
Dr Samantha Clarke (03:14):
Oh, me too.
Tatiana (03:17):
Why don't you tell everyone, the listeners a little
bit about
Dr Samantha Clarke (03:19):
so I have worked in the area of psychology
since Uh, 2000 and I think asI've just continued learning
about health and wellbeing, myphilosophy really has just
become more and more holistic.
I can see that, you know, thewhole mind, body, spirit
connection is so important.
And I really feel like unless weincorporate those aspects, it's
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really hard to get really deeptransformative healing.
So I think for me too, one ofthe things that I love is I love
learning.
So.
you know, for me, if I'mcontinuing to learn and I'm
passionate about that, it justgives me more energy and I'm
able to bring that into eacharea of my life.
So I know that that isdefinitely a place of
inspiration for me.
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And then I'm lucky I get to comeback and share that with my
coaching clients.
And I get to, yeah, I'm reallyinterested in helping women to
connect with their own personalsense of meaning, because I feel
like Women historically haveoften got a lot of shoulds and
conditioning around who we'remeant to be, particularly in
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certain roles.
And I can really see that thatcan come to a really big cost to
living a life that feels deeplymeaningful.
I also believe it's a, you know,place where people find illness
and suffering.
So yeah, I just am reallypassionate about supporting
people in connecting with theirauthentic selves.
Tatiana (04:43):
Yeah.
Oh, how wonderful.
Uh, and how, so I guess I agreewith you and, you know, from our
conversations that I believethat the spiritual nature of
life in the spiritual lens ofthings and people needs to be
incorporated for us to trulyassist on all levels.
But I'm curious to hear whatfirst sparked your interest in
spirituality.
Dr Samantha Clarke (05:04):
actually.
I've just been thinking aboutthat.
So, uh, I was raised in aCatholic home although in our
home, it probably wasn't themost harmonious place.
So it would feel like there wasconflict at home and then we'd
all bundle in the car togetheron Sunday and go to church and
just had a sort of sort of ahypocritical kind of context to
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it.
And I guess the Catholic.
Religion for me at the time,being a young person didn't
really connect me withspirituality.
So I never actually thought Iwas spiritual.
I actually felt that I wasn'tbut looking back, I remember
talking, you know, having thatconnection with something bigger
than myself.
When I was younger, I rememberhaving conversations.
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With something, a, a sense ofsomething greater than me, even
when I was like three, four orfive, like at a very young age.
So I feel like I've always hadthat, but I just didn't really.
I wasn't clear that spiritualityand religion could be two
distinct things.
And yeah, and I guess I reallystarted consciously pursuing
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that spiritual path.
More in my, it's actually when Iwas doing DBT, at, in my
masters.
And I was like, you know, you'rehaving to learn all the stuff to
teach to your clients because ofcourse you don't apply it
yourself.
And I remember I was about to domy, I was about to do my PhD
presentation.
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And that's where all theacademics are sitting in the
hall and they're, they're thereto pull apart your PhD.
And I was terrified becausethese are all people I respected
and looked up to.
And, You know, having negativefeedback just felt overwhelming
back then.
And I remember stepping back andlooking at these huge trees that
are in Wollongong and they werejust blowing in the breeze.
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And I could just have thisperspective of this moment is
really small.
In the grand scheme of theworld, this is.
you know, very small incomparison to the bigger picture
and my whole nervous system justrelaxed.
And it was like when thatmindfulness piece from learning
it was actually anexperientially felt place that I
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was hooked.
I was really interested inlearning about Buddhism.
After that, I would attendBuddhist talks and retreats.
I was really, you know,attending yoga all the time and
So I feel like that was when itreally felt like a Wow.
This has a really powerful placein transforming the way we think
and feel about life.
Tatiana (07:39):
Oh my goodness.
I've got chills listening to youspeak because it's such a new,
it's a really beautifulintangible example of how when
we connect to this, we can callit source, we can call it, you
know, that larger divine contextthat it has that power, right?
Of helping us to get perspectivein what we're facing and
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transcend the struggle of themoment.
It's, it's beautiful the waythat
Dr Samantha Clarke (08:05):
you.
Yeah.
It was definitely a powerfulmoment and I felt like it was a
real entry point to, I want toknow more about this and I want
to delve into it.
Tatiana (08:15):
Yeah, how fabulous.
So what was the first spiritualcontact concept that you started
your, your journey with
Dr Samantha Clarke (08:22):
I think it was like, you know, Eckhart
Tolle's book of the power of nowthat, that was like such a big,
you know, that was around thattime for me.
And like that really being inthe present moment and being
connected.
But I also think it connects medeeply with that you know, the
sense of divine oneness, thatsense that we are all connected.
And when we're in that presentmoment, my feeling of being able
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to have contact with that wassomething that I was really
aware of.
And.
I started having someinteresting experiences where,
you know, I'd be having, youknow, I'd be over the other side
of the country and I'd have adream about something.
And then I would talk tosomebody when I got back and
they were like, this happened.
And I'm like, Oh, I know I had adream about that.
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And that, that kind of, youknow, that we are all connected.
And even, you know, when we lookat what often is a problem in
the world, it's that separationof, you know, us and them.
And I feel like that sense ofdivine oneness can really be
grasped when we're connectingwith being in the present
moment, being connected withyeah, our essence.
Tatiana (09:30):
yeah, 100%.
And I agree with you.
There's such a crisis of meaningand disconnection at the moment,
isn't there?
Uh, yeah.
And so much of our sufferingcomes from that othering.
I agree with you.
A hundred percent.
Uh, so what would you say havebeen the benefit for you
personally in incorporatingspirituality into your life on
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that
Dr Samantha Clarke (09:53):
Huge.
Like I feel like, massivehealing has happened for me.
So in, I always felt like therewas always spirituality there on
the side.
And then there was my otherlife.
And then I feel like in 2018, Ihad a really big health crisis
that was like a chronic healthcondition.
It was quite enduring.
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And I know this is often a, Bigentry point for a lot of people,
but it was when something iswith your body and a lot of your
normal coping strategies, likeyou can't, you know, I had
something going on with my anklewhere I couldn't walk for a
year.
You can't do the things that younormally manage stress with.
It's with your body.
You've got no control of thephysical symptoms and sensations
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you're having.
It's enduring and long lasting.
So I feel like it really such achallenging 18 months, but it
was such a gift in helping me tosee the power of spirituality as
a way of, it's like the biggestdiffusion skill in the world,
right?
Like, you know, for people whoare like thinking like act, you
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know, I'm noticing a thought,but even just having, I had this
sentence in my mind of, I'm asoul having a human experience.
And that just, that was like,What are the gifts that this is
bringing to me?
What do I hear to learn fromthis really difficult journey?
What are the, and it was such ablessing, but I really feel like
that 18 month period really madespirituality like the foundation
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under everything else in mylife.
It's what I wake up to in themorning.
It's what I go to sleep with inthe afternoon.
It's It's, yeah, with me all thetime now and I just feel a deep
sense of joy, peace, connectionwith people.
I feel a deep sense of vitalityand like I'm here.
in a way of being able to serveand support others.
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That's like whatever that lookslike in any moment.
How can I do that?
Tatiana (11:50):
Yeah.
How wonderful.
It sounds like your process wasvery intuitive in many ways that
you had this, this inner knowingor remembering as I like to
think of it, of the context inwhich we're here.
But did you use, did you findthat there were certain
practices that you also reliedon that helped enhance that
knowing or this ability to tap
Dr Samantha Clarke (12:11):
I definitely mindfulness meditation was a
huge one.
And that for me, wasn't alwaysSo that, that would be like
sitting meditations or lyingmeditations.
And of course I would do likethe Joe Dispenza ones around
healing.
But a lot of walkingmeditations.
So being in the bush, observingnature, being present, staying
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connected, a lot of prayer a lotof like journaling from that
place of high self.
Those sort of practices reallysupported me in being able to
tune, particularly at a timewhen I wasn't well, like there'd
be a lot of the mind that'shere, that's caught up in all
the stuff, but being able tothen do a meditation where I can
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tune into, there's anotheraspect of me that has more
wisdom that's connected tosomething else.
Those sort of practices reallysupported that.
And I have Beautiful friends whoare into Buddhism and people who
are into lots of differenthealing modalities, which I felt
that community aspect reallysupported that deep knowing as
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well.
Tatiana (13:17):
Yeah.
Oh, how lovely.
How did you find that this liketranslated into your, your work
with others?
I don't know if you incorporatethis in, in your psychological
practice, but more broadly, haveyou found that professionally
it's also enhanced
Dr Samantha Clarke (13:32):
Yeah, I feel like it's interesting because I,
I feel like, It's given me, sothe things that we would do in
the psychology room, whetherthat's ACT or DBT or whether
that's you know, understandingintrinsic motivation, I, I feel
like those things now Ipotentially just understand from
a different perspective.
a different perspective.
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So I can still hold those thingsand do those evidence based
processes.
But I feel like my understandingof those feels like more of a
spiritual connection than whenI, when I was learning that
stuff at the time.
But I, but I feel like when I'mwith clients every single
tradition that I've explored haslooked at The practitioner or
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the shaman or the doctor or thewhatever has the certainty that
that person in front of them canget well.
And I feel like when that, whenI'm working with someone, I have
this deep knowing that thatperson is able to heal, that
that person has support in theirhealing.
And when I'm working withpeople, I feel like I'm
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supported.
If I'm really clear on myintention on being there for
them, supporting them, then I amsupported with that.
And I feel like that burnoutpiece, that's not, you know, I
can look back in my early I'mnot sure if you've read the book
by Alice Miller.
It's like the one where it'sabout why people become a
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psychologist or a therapist.
And it's Oh, it's reallyinteresting.
I think I read it in my thirtiesand I was like, Oh my gosh.
And but it's, it's a lot aroundlike people who are in, you
know, as children grow up andthey're sort of in a helping
role can gravitate towardspsychology and doing so from a
point of Subconscious place of,I'm doing this to be able to be
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worthwhile.
So if I'm helping and I'msupporting, then I'm doing this
from a place of me beingworthwhile.
And I think that that is such abig key of why we burn out
because we can be so present forothers and we can show up for
others, but it comes with asacrifice.
Whereas I feel like for me, onceI was more connected with my
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spiritual aspect of You know,we're all here to be and we are
perfectly okay as beings ratherthan doers.
I feel like I'm much clearer atbeing able to be more aware of
what my self care needs.
What's an okay capacity for mein terms of clients.
And I feel like sessions flowmore easily because I'm feeling
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in tune with myself and I feellike that internal residence
helps me to connect with theperson in front of me.
And it feels a lot more likethere's a lot more grace in that
than when I felt like when I wasworking maybe 10 or 15 years ago
where my head was working reallyhard.
Yeah.
Tatiana (16:22):
yes.
Dr Samantha Clarke (16:23):
it's, yeah.
Tatiana (16:27):
so beautifully how, like, how beneficial it is for
us to be able to show upauthentically, right?
And our whole selves.
Uh, I agree with you.
Like so much of the, the burnoutcomes from not just the thinking
and the pushing, but also thefact that we have to.
to tuck away this other reallyimportant element of us, right?
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Or at least some of us feel thatway.
I accidentally felt that way fora long time which I think leads
nicely into a lot of therapists,particularly in Australia, not
so much psychologists inAustralia not so much overseas
feel.
Really fearful of talking aboutspirituality in that therapeutic
context, uh, some of it'sbecause of the way I think, uh,
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our, our profession is governedin, in this country, but, you
know, we can talk about that.
That's a whole episode and Icertainly struggled with that
fear for a long time.
And it's been very liberating tofind so many other psychologists
like yourself who are spiritual,are ready to own that spiritual
part of themselves and can seethe value it brings to clients.
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But did you ever grapple withthat fear, like the trying to,
to reconcile the scientistpractitioner in you and the, the
spiritual elements of you andhow to
Dr Samantha Clarke (17:46):
so, I didn't feel like that translated so
much to the therapy room.
I felt like I've always beenpretty open as a psychologist in
terms of being able to ask thequestions of clients, you know,
if they've lost somebody orthere's been a grief, I feel
like I can go there.
But I felt like it was moreevident with.
colleagues.
Like if I was at a conference,there was such a really big push
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around, unless you're even likehaving thoughts about things
outside of What's measured,what's evidence based, was woo
woo, was dangerous, like it hada very interesting stigma about
it.
And so in the past, like I'msort of thinking like 10 or 15
years ago, that would havereally made me cautious about
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talking about things.
But a big part of my journey interms of My healing and my well
being is really around being 100percent authentic and being 100
percent integrated with who Iam.
And so I feel like I want toshare this stuff and talk about
it because it's been superimportant for me and I know
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that's my truth.
And I know that when we hearother people sharing, it can be
just what somebody elsesomewhere in the world needs to
hear.
So yeah, I just feel the fearand take it.
forward.
And I feel like what I loveabout what you're doing is often
my spiritual friends have beenquite separate from my
psychology friends.
And the fact that you'rebringing them both together and
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so many more people, it's like,we're all coming out of the
closet.
It's like such an interestingthing.
So like, I love that people areembracing that.
And I think there is a big asmuch as there's really, there's
a big, Big things going on inthe world that are challenging.
I feel like a lot more peopleare starting to connect with
their spirituality and to leaninto that more and to start
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being more open about it, whichI'm so grateful for.
Tatiana (19:43):
Me too.
And it's by design, right?
Like, I think it, it's not anaccident that so many more
people are speaking aboutspirituality this openly and
trying to shine that spotlight.
I think we're heading towardsthis transition period, right?
Yeah.
I think as therapists, like aspsychologists, therapists, we
play such a crucial role in thatbecause we deal with people at
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their most vulnerable, right?
So yeah, and so you, it soundslike you didn't really have to.
Like, to do anything extra tohelp you override the fear that
a lot of it came, again, it was,it was a very natural unfolding
as you gave yourself permissionto be more
Dr Samantha Clarke (20:24):
Yeah.
And I,
Tatiana (20:25):
that.
Would you
Dr Samantha Clarke (20:26):
feel like that 2018 period where I was
really like that it was like thehow to hold as much fear in my
body.
I felt like it almost, has mademe really skillful at being able
to do that now.
It was almost like, okay, if youhave fear, you just hold it with
you.
you know, sense and lovingkindness, hold it in that place
and move forward.
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But yeah, and I think when I'mthinking about I'm a soul having
a human experience, what do Iwant to bring in this lifetime?
Yeah, I, I don't feel caught upin fear about that stuff at all.
Tatiana (21:00):
Oh, how beautiful.
Yeah.
So from your perspective then,uh, what, what do you see to be
the value for psychologists andtherapists more broadly in
particular to in embracing theirspiritual selves or bring at
least be more curious aboutspirituality?
Because I understand that somepeople aren't even there yet for
I like from your perspective,what would you say could be a
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benefit?
Dr Samantha Clarke (21:23):
think that It's just so, I think curiosity
and open mindedness is such anamazing quality to have whether
you're bringing that to learningabout spirituality or bringing
that to your client'sexperience.
So I feel like whatever we cando to cultivate those qualities
is really going to be helpful.
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But in terms of I can just seethe improvement in burnout as
such a big deal.
I feel like a lot of if we canbe really grounded in practices
that quickly bring us back intoour place of peace and inner you
know, I love the harmonizing theheart meditation.
Like I love that meditation somuch.
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But even just having thesepractices that we can bring in.
to ground between sessions to beable to check in with our
intuition.
Not only are we going to, youknow, be able to prevent
burnout, but we're also going tobe able to model those things
with the person we're in theroom with.
So it's a bit of a ripple effectmodeling presence.
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We can also be more present andin tune with our clients.
And that intuition, I feel likeit's like a gateway.
The more you can stay presentand connected in the room, The
more you're going to be able tosupport.
the person that's in front ofyou, but also, you know,
connection for yourself.
Like what, what are, I guess,what are the beliefs that you
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have that are going to supportyour sense of who you are, how
you feel in like building deeperconnections with yourself,
deeper connections inrelationships.
You're like, there's a lot ofbenefits.
just that practice of morepresent and loving kindness.
They are two beautiful qualitiesto be able to bring for
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ourselves, but into ourrelationship with our children,
our relationships with ourfriends, our relationships with
parents, even outside thetherapy room.
Tatiana (23:20):
Yes.
Oh, so lovely.
It gives me one final reflectionthen, if you had to pick, And I
can hear that there's been somany things that have enhanced
your journey with this, but ifyou had to pick one
transformative aspect ofembracing spirituality more
fully, both on a personal andprofessional level, what aspect
would that be for you?
Dr Samantha Clarke (23:40):
I think it like comes full circle for me.
I think it's that divine youknow, divine oneness, that sense
that we are all connected.
So noticing personally, if I'm,judging or I'm separating being
able to come back to that placeof commonality and that we are
the same.
Because I think if we'repersonally taking care of that,
and if everybody was doing that,what a different world we would
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live in.
Would there be?
any kind of racism, would therebe wars?
Would there be hatred?
Like all of that stuff reallycomes from that separateness.
So I feel like for me, that kindof loving kindness, that divine
oneness, that would be, that'slike my solid foundational
practice that I feel like isalways going to be the root of
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my, my focus.
Tatiana (24:31):
Yeah, I agree.
I think that's so needed in theworld right now.
Right.
Not just with all those socialchallenges that you've
mentioned, but even when wethink about the economic crisis
that we're living in, right.
How many people are strugglingfinancially and it's so much of
that's because of the inequalityof resources.
So yeah, I agree with you ahundred percent.
I always joke that I'm anidealist by nature and I am, but
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I see the power of spiritualityto truly transform the world if
we can awaken that in
Dr Samantha Clarke (25:00):
I'm with you.
And I feel like when you look atatrocities that happen, I'm
like, if there was that sense ofspirituality or that we are
connected, I feel like thosethings, they just wouldn't have
happened.
So I, yeah, I'm a big supporterof your mission and yeah, I love
it.
Tatiana (25:21):
I just, I feel so excited that I'm just finding
more and more people like youthat resonate with this.
And I think in your own way,you've got a mission that's
similar, right?
You're also shining a light onthese things and it's, yeah,
it's wonderful.
It's not, it's not, no accident.
I think that.
We have found each other and allthe people are kind of stepping
forward and feeling drawn toeach other around these
Dr Samantha Clarke (25:42):
in numbers.
Well,
Tatiana (25:47):
change slowly, but surely.
And I guess the last thing thatI've been asking all of my
guests is for transformativebook that they can suggest for
others who are at the verybeginning of their journey with.
spirituality or that are curiousto explore it a little bit more.
What would be a book that you'dsuggest as
Dr Samantha Clarke (26:08):
I've kind of got two ideas around that
because I know you've had someamazing book recommendations.
So I would say the power of nowis a really good entry point.
If you feeling like where's thattranslation from what we know
about science into somethingthat's a little bit more
spiritual.
But one of the books that reallyhelped me when I was going
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through my health challenge.
And I know that oftenpsychologists have health
challenges and probably peoplelistening to your podcast
resonate with this.
The book all is well by MonaLisa Schultz and Louise Hay.
And it's where Mona Lisa Schultzlooks at the research.
around Louise Hay's spiritualreadings around what's going on
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with the body, but Mona LisaSchultz brings the research
evidence that supports what thefindings were.
And I feel like it's a reallygood one for people to just open
up and go, huh, like maybe Thatspiritual and the science isn't
so separate.
Maybe the science is catchingup.
Maybe we just can't measurethings yet that we know actually
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are really effective and holdingscience as a really good thing
to look through.
But knowing that Potentiallythere's a whole lot of things
that exist that we just can'tmeasure it yet.
We just can't validate yet.
And I feel like that book's areally good little exploration
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of that.
Tatiana (27:42):
Oh, how fabulous.
I'll add some links to the shownotes to both books that you've
mentioned.
That's, it sounds reallyintriguing.
I haven't heard of that bookmyself, so I'll look it up too.
Uh, but I agree, like thescience is catching up.
It's very exciting.
It's a very exciting time.
There's so much studies comingout that are validating the
value of spirituality, theneurobiology of spirituality.
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So.
It's safer, I think, for us tostep forward
Dr Samantha Clarke (28:08):
Absolutely.
Tatiana (28:09):
and own our spiritual natures.
Well, this has been such awonderful conversation, Sam.
I really, really appreciate youcoming on today.
Is there any final thought thatyou'd like to share with the
listeners?
Dr Samantha Clarke (28:21):
Final thoughts.
I guess it's like reallyallowing yourself.
I think we're in a world wherethere's a lot of external noise
and there's so many things inthe media or things that are
trying to get our attention.
But I feel like the best thingwe can do is giving ourselves
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silence and space looking in.
Finding a deep listening withinand I feel like that's where
true healing and true livingfrom a place of authenticity and
vibrancy comes from.
So just giving yourself sometime for silence and space and
letting the voice from within.
Talk to you.
Tatiana (29:02):
Yeah.
Oh, so wonderful.
Thank you so much for that.
Where can people find you and doyou want to talk a little bit
about some of the
Dr Samantha Clarke (29:09):
Yeah, sure.
So people will probably best wayto find me would be through Mind
Body Resilience.
So Mind Body Resilience is mywebsite and my company that
looks at coaching, particularlyfor women and health
professionals.
We run some pretty coolretreats.
So often we run retreats in Balior Noosa or Byron.
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And there's some online programsthat will be launching probably
in about three months reallylooking at this, how to help
women deeply connect with theirintuitive selves, how to create
well being from a place that isaligned with your intrinsic
motivation.
That, so that's something I'mreally passionate about.
So that's coming in the future,uh, not too far away.
Tatiana (29:56):
Oh, how exciting.
Oh, again, I'll add all thelinks to your website and your
Instagram handle to the shownotes.
So anyone listening can go andfind Sam and her wonderful
offerings.
But once again, Sam, thank youso much for, for joining me
today.
I'm so grateful that you tookthe time to have this
conversation with me.
And yeah,
Dr Samantha Clarke (30:17):
I'm so grateful to be here and I, yeah,
I love having theseconversations.
I feel like, you know, I thinkevery time I've spoken to you, I
feel like I could talk to youall day long because there's so
many experiences that I think,Oh wow.
I bet you, I bet you'd be coolto talk to about that.
So yeah, I'm really grateful tobe here and yeah, I just love
what you're putting out in theworld.
So thank you.
Tatiana (30:39):
Oh, thank you.
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Join me as we discuss what itmeans to live an integrated life
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Hello and welcome to theIntegrated Wisdom Podcast.
Thank you so much for joining mefor yet another week.
Today I have another monthlyinstallment of Soulful Chats,
and I have the pleasure ofhaving my colleague and friend,
Dr.
Samantha Clark, who's a clinicalpsychologist and coach.
She is deeply passionate aboutwomen's health and supporting
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women in connecting with theirauthentic selves and creating
life from this place of personalmeaning and passion.
Sam incorporates a holisticapproach to healthcare, placing
emphasis on helping eachindividual move towards a more
fulfilling and meaningful life.
Her PhD is in the area ofmotivation and goal setting, and
she's passionate about assistingpeople in finding their true
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intrinsic motivation, whichcreates the foundations for
their self care and wellnesspractices.
She's the director of apsychology practice called Inner
Light Psychology on the SunshineCoast of Queensland.
Sam is also the founder ofMindBody Resilience, which
provides coaching, groupprograms and retreats for health
professionals and women inAustralia.
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And overseas, Sam has beenworking in the field of
psychology for more than 20years and has training in
nutrition, personal training,mindfulness, meditation, and
specializes in addressinglifestyle factors that impact
physical and psychologicalhealth.
Sam is also a lifelong learnerand seeker, continuously
expanding her knowledge throughtraining in quantum coaching,
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pranic healing, and breath work.
She enjoys exploring her owndreams and intuition, firmly
believes that true healing comesfrom within.
An ocean lover and natureenthusiast, Sam resides in Noosa
with her partner, Scott andtheir son, Lennox.
Together, they strive to createa life filled with freedom,
love, fun, vitality, andadventure.
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Sam believes that we're all hereto experience growth and to
share our unique gifts withothers, aiming to alleviate
suffering and spread love andkindness.
Welcome Sam.
Dr Samantha Clarke (02:47):
me, Tatiana.
Lovely to be here.
Tatiana (02:51):
Oh, I just love that bio because it aligns so, so
strongly with the things thatwe've been talking about offline
and some of the things I've beentalking, I've been talking about
in the podcast.
Uh, it was one of the thingsthat drew us together.
I think that we have this sharedvision and mission for shining a
light on how spirituality canhelp people's, uh, transcend
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suffering.
Uh, so I'm really excited for
Dr Samantha Clarke (03:14):
Oh, me too.
Tatiana (03:17):
Why don't you tell everyone, the listeners a little
bit about
Dr Samantha Clarke (03:19):
so I have worked in the area of psychology
since Uh, 2000 and I think asI've just continued learning
about health and wellbeing, myphilosophy really has just
become more and more holistic.
I can see that, you know, thewhole mind, body, spirit
connection is so important.
And I really feel like unless weincorporate those aspects, it's
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really hard to get really deeptransformative healing.
So I think for me too, one ofthe things that I love is I love
learning.
So.
you know, for me, if I'mcontinuing to learn and I'm
passionate about that, it justgives me more energy and I'm
able to bring that into eacharea of my life.
So I know that that isdefinitely a place of
inspiration for me.
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And then I'm lucky I get to comeback and share that with my
coaching clients.
And I get to, yeah, I'm reallyinterested in helping women to
connect with their own personalsense of meaning, because I feel
like Women historically haveoften got a lot of shoulds and
conditioning around who we'remeant to be, particularly in
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certain roles.
And I can really see that thatcan come to a really big cost to
living a life that feels deeplymeaningful.
I also believe it's a, you know,place where people find illness
and suffering.
So yeah, I just am reallypassionate about supporting
people in connecting with theirauthentic selves.
Tatiana (04:43):
Yeah.
Oh, how wonderful.
Uh, and how, so I guess I agreewith you and, you know, from our
conversations that I believethat the spiritual nature of
life in the spiritual lens ofthings and people needs to be
incorporated for us to trulyassist on all levels.
But I'm curious to hear whatfirst sparked your interest in
spirituality.
Dr Samantha Clarke (05:04):
actually.
I've just been thinking aboutthat.
So, uh, I was raised in aCatholic home although in our
home, it probably wasn't themost harmonious place.
So it would feel like there wasconflict at home and then we'd
all bundle in the car togetheron Sunday and go to church and
just had a sort of sort of ahypocritical kind of context to
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it.
And I guess the Catholic.
Religion for me at the time,being a young person didn't
really connect me withspirituality.
So I never actually thought Iwas spiritual.
I actually felt that I wasn'tbut looking back, I remember
talking, you know, having thatconnection with something bigger
than myself.
When I was younger, I rememberhaving conversations.
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With something, a, a sense ofsomething greater than me, even
when I was like three, four orfive, like at a very young age.
So I feel like I've always hadthat, but I just didn't really.
I wasn't clear that spiritualityand religion could be two
distinct things.
And yeah, and I guess I reallystarted consciously pursuing
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that spiritual path.
More in my, it's actually when Iwas doing DBT, at, in my
masters.
And I was like, you know, you'rehaving to learn all the stuff to
teach to your clients because ofcourse you don't apply it
yourself.
And I remember I was about to domy, I was about to do my PhD
presentation.
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And that's where all theacademics are sitting in the
hall and they're, they're thereto pull apart your PhD.
And I was terrified becausethese are all people I respected
and looked up to.
And, You know, having negativefeedback just felt overwhelming
back then.
And I remember stepping back andlooking at these huge trees that
are in Wollongong and they werejust blowing in the breeze.
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And I could just have thisperspective of this moment is
really small.
In the grand scheme of theworld, this is.
you know, very small incomparison to the bigger picture
and my whole nervous system justrelaxed.
And it was like when thatmindfulness piece from learning
it was actually anexperientially felt place that I
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was hooked.
I was really interested inlearning about Buddhism.
After that, I would attendBuddhist talks and retreats.
I was really, you know,attending yoga all the time and
So I feel like that was when itreally felt like a Wow.
This has a really powerful placein transforming the way we think
and feel about life.
Tatiana (07:39):
Oh my goodness.
I've got chills listening to youspeak because it's such a new,
it's a really beautifulintangible example of how when
we connect to this, we can callit source, we can call it, you
know, that larger divine contextthat it has that power, right?
Of helping us to get perspectivein what we're facing and
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transcend the struggle of themoment.
It's, it's beautiful the waythat
Dr Samantha Clarke (08:05):
you.
Yeah.
It was definitely a powerfulmoment and I felt like it was a
real entry point to, I want toknow more about this and I want
to delve into it.
Tatiana (08:15):
Yeah, how fabulous.
So what was the first spiritualcontact concept that you started
your, your journey with
Dr Samantha Clarke (08:22):
I think it was like, you know, Eckhart
Tolle's book of the power of nowthat, that was like such a big,
you know, that was around thattime for me.
And like that really being inthe present moment and being
connected.
But I also think it connects medeeply with that you know, the
sense of divine oneness, thatsense that we are all connected.
And when we're in that presentmoment, my feeling of being able
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to have contact with that wassomething that I was really
aware of.
And.
I started having someinteresting experiences where,
you know, I'd be having, youknow, I'd be over the other side
of the country and I'd have adream about something.
And then I would talk tosomebody when I got back and
they were like, this happened.
And I'm like, Oh, I know I had adream about that.
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And that, that kind of, youknow, that we are all connected.
And even, you know, when we lookat what often is a problem in
the world, it's that separationof, you know, us and them.
And I feel like that sense ofdivine oneness can really be
grasped when we're connectingwith being in the present
moment, being connected withyeah, our essence.
Tatiana (09:30):
yeah, 100%.
And I agree with you.
There's such a crisis of meaningand disconnection at the moment,
isn't there?
Uh, yeah.
And so much of our sufferingcomes from that othering.
I agree with you.
A hundred percent.
Uh, so what would you say havebeen the benefit for you
personally in incorporatingspirituality into your life on
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that
Dr Samantha Clarke (09:53):
Huge.
Like I feel like, massivehealing has happened for me.
So in, I always felt like therewas always spirituality there on
the side.
And then there was my otherlife.
And then I feel like in 2018, Ihad a really big health crisis
that was like a chronic healthcondition.
It was quite enduring.
(10:13):
And I know this is often a, Bigentry point for a lot of people,
but it was when something iswith your body and a lot of your
normal coping strategies, likeyou can't, you know, I had
something going on with my anklewhere I couldn't walk for a
year.
You can't do the things that younormally manage stress with.
It's with your body.
You've got no control of thephysical symptoms and sensations
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you're having.
It's enduring and long lasting.
So I feel like it really such achallenging 18 months, but it
was such a gift in helping me tosee the power of spirituality as
a way of, it's like the biggestdiffusion skill in the world,
right?
Like, you know, for people whoare like thinking like act, you
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know, I'm noticing a thought,but even just having, I had this
sentence in my mind of, I'm asoul having a human experience.
And that just, that was like,What are the gifts that this is
bringing to me?
What do I hear to learn fromthis really difficult journey?
What are the, and it was such ablessing, but I really feel like
that 18 month period really madespirituality like the foundation
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under everything else in mylife.
It's what I wake up to in themorning.
It's what I go to sleep with inthe afternoon.
It's It's, yeah, with me all thetime now and I just feel a deep
sense of joy, peace, connectionwith people.
I feel a deep sense of vitalityand like I'm here.
in a way of being able to serveand support others.
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That's like whatever that lookslike in any moment.
How can I do that?
Tatiana (11:50):
Yeah.
How wonderful.
It sounds like your process wasvery intuitive in many ways that
you had this, this inner knowingor remembering as I like to
think of it, of the context inwhich we're here.
But did you use, did you findthat there were certain
practices that you also reliedon that helped enhance that
knowing or this ability to tap
Dr Samantha Clarke (12:11):
I definitely mindfulness meditation was a
huge one.
And that for me, wasn't alwaysSo that, that would be like
sitting meditations or lyingmeditations.
And of course I would do likethe Joe Dispenza ones around
healing.
But a lot of walkingmeditations.
So being in the bush, observingnature, being present, staying
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connected, a lot of prayer a lotof like journaling from that
place of high self.
Those sort of practices reallysupported me in being able to
tune, particularly at a timewhen I wasn't well, like there'd
be a lot of the mind that'shere, that's caught up in all
the stuff, but being able tothen do a meditation where I can
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tune into, there's anotheraspect of me that has more
wisdom that's connected tosomething else.
Those sort of practices reallysupported that.
And I have Beautiful friends whoare into Buddhism and people who
are into lots of differenthealing modalities, which I felt
that community aspect reallysupported that deep knowing as
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well.
Tatiana (13:17):
Yeah.
Oh, how lovely.
How did you find that this liketranslated into your, your work
with others?
I don't know if you incorporatethis in, in your psychological
practice, but more broadly, haveyou found that professionally
it's also enhanced
Dr Samantha Clarke (13:32):
Yeah, I feel like it's interesting because I,
I feel like, It's given me, sothe things that we would do in
the psychology room, whetherthat's ACT or DBT or whether
that's you know, understandingintrinsic motivation, I, I feel
like those things now Ipotentially just understand from
a different perspective.
a different perspective.
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So I can still hold those thingsand do those evidence based
processes.
But I feel like my understandingof those feels like more of a
spiritual connection than whenI, when I was learning that
stuff at the time.
But I, but I feel like when I'mwith clients every single
tradition that I've explored haslooked at The practitioner or
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the shaman or the doctor or thewhatever has the certainty that
that person in front of them canget well.
And I feel like when that, whenI'm working with someone, I have
this deep knowing that thatperson is able to heal, that
that person has support in theirhealing.
And when I'm working withpeople, I feel like I'm
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supported.
If I'm really clear on myintention on being there for
them, supporting them, then I amsupported with that.
And I feel like that burnoutpiece, that's not, you know, I
can look back in my early I'mnot sure if you've read the book
by Alice Miller.
It's like the one where it'sabout why people become a
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psychologist or a therapist.
And it's Oh, it's reallyinteresting.
I think I read it in my thirtiesand I was like, Oh my gosh.
And but it's, it's a lot aroundlike people who are in, you
know, as children grow up andthey're sort of in a helping
role can gravitate towardspsychology and doing so from a
point of Subconscious place of,I'm doing this to be able to be
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worthwhile.
So if I'm helping and I'msupporting, then I'm doing this
from a place of me beingworthwhile.
And I think that that is such abig key of why we burn out
because we can be so present forothers and we can show up for
others, but it comes with asacrifice.
Whereas I feel like for me, onceI was more connected with my
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spiritual aspect of You know,we're all here to be and we are
perfectly okay as beings ratherthan doers.
I feel like I'm much clearer atbeing able to be more aware of
what my self care needs.
What's an okay capacity for mein terms of clients.
And I feel like sessions flowmore easily because I'm feeling
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in tune with myself and I feellike that internal residence
helps me to connect with theperson in front of me.
And it feels a lot more likethere's a lot more grace in that
than when I felt like when I wasworking maybe 10 or 15 years ago
where my head was working reallyhard.
Yeah.
Tatiana (16:22):
yes.
Dr Samantha Clarke (16:23):
it's, yeah.
Tatiana (16:27):
so beautifully how, like, how beneficial it is for
us to be able to show upauthentically, right?
And our whole selves.
Uh, I agree with you.
Like so much of the, the burnoutcomes from not just the thinking
and the pushing, but also thefact that we have to.
to tuck away this other reallyimportant element of us, right?
(16:50):
Or at least some of us feel thatway.
I accidentally felt that way fora long time which I think leads
nicely into a lot of therapists,particularly in Australia, not
so much psychologists inAustralia not so much overseas
feel.
Really fearful of talking aboutspirituality in that therapeutic
context, uh, some of it'sbecause of the way I think, uh,
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our, our profession is governedin, in this country, but, you
know, we can talk about that.
That's a whole episode and Icertainly struggled with that
fear for a long time.
And it's been very liberating tofind so many other psychologists
like yourself who are spiritual,are ready to own that spiritual
part of themselves and can seethe value it brings to clients.
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But did you ever grapple withthat fear, like the trying to,
to reconcile the scientistpractitioner in you and the, the
spiritual elements of you andhow to
Dr Samantha Clarke (17:46):
so, I didn't feel like that translated so
much to the therapy room.
I felt like I've always beenpretty open as a psychologist in
terms of being able to ask thequestions of clients, you know,
if they've lost somebody orthere's been a grief, I feel
like I can go there.
But I felt like it was moreevident with.
colleagues.
Like if I was at a conference,there was such a really big push
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around, unless you're even likehaving thoughts about things
outside of What's measured,what's evidence based, was woo
woo, was dangerous, like it hada very interesting stigma about
it.
And so in the past, like I'msort of thinking like 10 or 15
years ago, that would havereally made me cautious about
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talking about things.
But a big part of my journey interms of My healing and my well
being is really around being 100percent authentic and being 100
percent integrated with who Iam.
And so I feel like I want toshare this stuff and talk about
it because it's been superimportant for me and I know
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that's my truth.
And I know that when we hearother people sharing, it can be
just what somebody elsesomewhere in the world needs to
hear.
So yeah, I just feel the fearand take it.
forward.
And I feel like what I loveabout what you're doing is often
my spiritual friends have beenquite separate from my
psychology friends.
And the fact that you'rebringing them both together and
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so many more people, it's like,we're all coming out of the
closet.
It's like such an interestingthing.
So like, I love that people areembracing that.
And I think there is a big asmuch as there's really, there's
a big, Big things going on inthe world that are challenging.
I feel like a lot more peopleare starting to connect with
their spirituality and to leaninto that more and to start
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being more open about it, whichI'm so grateful for.
Tatiana (19:43):
Me too.
And it's by design, right?
Like, I think it, it's not anaccident that so many more
people are speaking aboutspirituality this openly and
trying to shine that spotlight.
I think we're heading towardsthis transition period, right?
Yeah.
I think as therapists, like aspsychologists, therapists, we
play such a crucial role in thatbecause we deal with people at
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their most vulnerable, right?
So yeah, and so you, it soundslike you didn't really have to.
Like, to do anything extra tohelp you override the fear that
a lot of it came, again, it was,it was a very natural unfolding
as you gave yourself permissionto be more
Dr Samantha Clarke (20:24):
Yeah.
And I,
Tatiana (20:25):
that.
Would you
Dr Samantha Clarke (20:26):
feel like that 2018 period where I was
really like that it was like thehow to hold as much fear in my
body.
I felt like it almost, has mademe really skillful at being able
to do that now.
It was almost like, okay, if youhave fear, you just hold it with
you.
you know, sense and lovingkindness, hold it in that place
and move forward.
(20:47):
But yeah, and I think when I'mthinking about I'm a soul having
a human experience, what do Iwant to bring in this lifetime?
Yeah, I, I don't feel caught upin fear about that stuff at all.
Tatiana (21:00):
Oh, how beautiful.
Yeah.
So from your perspective then,uh, what, what do you see to be
the value for psychologists andtherapists more broadly in
particular to in embracing theirspiritual selves or bring at
least be more curious aboutspirituality?
Because I understand that somepeople aren't even there yet for
I like from your perspective,what would you say could be a
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benefit?
Dr Samantha Clarke (21:23):
think that It's just so, I think curiosity
and open mindedness is such anamazing quality to have whether
you're bringing that to learningabout spirituality or bringing
that to your client'sexperience.
So I feel like whatever we cando to cultivate those qualities
is really going to be helpful.
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But in terms of I can just seethe improvement in burnout as
such a big deal.
I feel like a lot of if we canbe really grounded in practices
that quickly bring us back intoour place of peace and inner you
know, I love the harmonizing theheart meditation.
Like I love that meditation somuch.
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But even just having thesepractices that we can bring in.
to ground between sessions to beable to check in with our
intuition.
Not only are we going to, youknow, be able to prevent
burnout, but we're also going tobe able to model those things
with the person we're in theroom with.
So it's a bit of a ripple effectmodeling presence.
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We can also be more present andin tune with our clients.
And that intuition, I feel likeit's like a gateway.
The more you can stay presentand connected in the room, The
more you're going to be able tosupport.
the person that's in front ofyou, but also, you know,
connection for yourself.
Like what, what are, I guess,what are the beliefs that you
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have that are going to supportyour sense of who you are, how
you feel in like building deeperconnections with yourself,
deeper connections inrelationships.
You're like, there's a lot ofbenefits.
just that practice of morepresent and loving kindness.
They are two beautiful qualitiesto be able to bring for
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ourselves, but into ourrelationship with our children,
our relationships with ourfriends, our relationships with
parents, even outside thetherapy room.
Tatiana (23:20):
Yes.
Oh, so lovely.
It gives me one final reflectionthen, if you had to pick, And I
can hear that there's been somany things that have enhanced
your journey with this, but ifyou had to pick one
transformative aspect ofembracing spirituality more
fully, both on a personal andprofessional level, what aspect
would that be for you?
Dr Samantha Clarke (23:40):
I think it like comes full circle for me.
I think it's that divine youknow, divine oneness, that sense
that we are all connected.
So noticing personally, if I'm,judging or I'm separating being
able to come back to that placeof commonality and that we are
the same.
Because I think if we'repersonally taking care of that,
and if everybody was doing that,what a different world we would
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live in.
Would there be?
any kind of racism, would therebe wars?
Would there be hatred?
Like all of that stuff reallycomes from that separateness.
So I feel like for me, that kindof loving kindness, that divine
oneness, that would be, that'slike my solid foundational
practice that I feel like isalways going to be the root of
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my, my focus.
Tatiana (24:31):
Yeah, I agree.
I think that's so needed in theworld right now.
Right.
Not just with all those socialchallenges that you've
mentioned, but even when wethink about the economic crisis
that we're living in, right.
How many people are strugglingfinancially and it's so much of
that's because of the inequalityof resources.
So yeah, I agree with you ahundred percent.
I always joke that I'm anidealist by nature and I am, but
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I see the power of spiritualityto truly transform the world if
we can awaken that in
Dr Samantha Clarke (25:00):
I'm with you.
And I feel like when you look atatrocities that happen, I'm
like, if there was that sense ofspirituality or that we are
connected, I feel like thosethings, they just wouldn't have
happened.
So I, yeah, I'm a big supporterof your mission and yeah, I love
it.
Tatiana (25:21):
I just, I feel so excited that I'm just finding
more and more people like youthat resonate with this.
And I think in your own way,you've got a mission that's
similar, right?
You're also shining a light onthese things and it's, yeah,
it's wonderful.
It's not, it's not, no accident.
I think that.
We have found each other and allthe people are kind of stepping
forward and feeling drawn toeach other around these
Dr Samantha Clarke (25:42):
in numbers.
Well,
Tatiana (25:47):
change slowly, but surely.
And I guess the last thing thatI've been asking all of my
guests is for transformativebook that they can suggest for
others who are at the verybeginning of their journey with.
spirituality or that are curiousto explore it a little bit more.
What would be a book that you'dsuggest as
Dr Samantha Clarke (26:08):
I've kind of got two ideas around that
because I know you've had someamazing book recommendations.
So I would say the power of nowis a really good entry point.
If you feeling like where's thattranslation from what we know
about science into somethingthat's a little bit more
spiritual.
But one of the books that reallyhelped me when I was going
(26:31):
through my health challenge.
And I know that oftenpsychologists have health
challenges and probably peoplelistening to your podcast
resonate with this.
The book all is well by MonaLisa Schultz and Louise Hay.
And it's where Mona Lisa Schultzlooks at the research.
around Louise Hay's spiritualreadings around what's going on
(26:54):
with the body, but Mona LisaSchultz brings the research
evidence that supports what thefindings were.
And I feel like it's a reallygood one for people to just open
up and go, huh, like maybe Thatspiritual and the science isn't
so separate.
Maybe the science is catchingup.
Maybe we just can't measurethings yet that we know actually
(27:18):
are really effective and holdingscience as a really good thing
to look through.
But knowing that Potentiallythere's a whole lot of things
that exist that we just can'tmeasure it yet.
We just can't validate yet.
And I feel like that book's areally good little exploration
(27:39):
of that.
Tatiana (27:42):
Oh, how fabulous.
I'll add some links to the shownotes to both books that you've
mentioned.
That's, it sounds reallyintriguing.
I haven't heard of that bookmyself, so I'll look it up too.
Uh, but I agree, like thescience is catching up.
It's very exciting.
It's a very exciting time.
There's so much studies comingout that are validating the
value of spirituality, theneurobiology of spirituality.
(28:04):
So.
It's safer, I think, for us tostep forward
Dr Samantha Clarke (28:08):
Absolutely.
Tatiana (28:09):
and own our spiritual natures.
Well, this has been such awonderful conversation, Sam.
I really, really appreciate youcoming on today.
Is there any final thought thatyou'd like to share with the
listeners?
Dr Samantha Clarke (28:21):
Final thoughts.
I guess it's like reallyallowing yourself.
I think we're in a world wherethere's a lot of external noise
and there's so many things inthe media or things that are
trying to get our attention.
But I feel like the best thingwe can do is giving ourselves
(28:41):
silence and space looking in.
Finding a deep listening withinand I feel like that's where
true healing and true livingfrom a place of authenticity and
vibrancy comes from.
So just giving yourself sometime for silence and space and
letting the voice from within.
Talk to you.
Tatiana (29:02):
Yeah.
Oh, so wonderful.
Thank you so much for that.
Where can people find you and doyou want to talk a little bit
about some of the
Dr Samantha Clarke (29:09):
Yeah, sure.
So people will probably best wayto find me would be through Mind
Body Resilience.
So Mind Body Resilience is mywebsite and my company that
looks at coaching, particularlyfor women and health
professionals.
We run some pretty coolretreats.
So often we run retreats in Balior Noosa or Byron.
(29:32):
And there's some online programsthat will be launching probably
in about three months reallylooking at this, how to help
women deeply connect with theirintuitive selves, how to create
well being from a place that isaligned with your intrinsic
motivation.
That, so that's something I'mreally passionate about.
So that's coming in the future,uh, not too far away.
Tatiana (29:56):
Oh, how exciting.
Oh, again, I'll add all thelinks to your website and your
Instagram handle to the shownotes.
So anyone listening can go andfind Sam and her wonderful
offerings.
But once again, Sam, thank youso much for, for joining me
today.
I'm so grateful that you tookthe time to have this
conversation with me.
And yeah,
Dr Samantha Clarke (30:17):
I'm so grateful to be here and I, yeah,
I love having theseconversations.
I feel like, you know, I thinkevery time I've spoken to you, I
feel like I could talk to youall day long because there's so
many experiences that I think,Oh wow.
I bet you, I bet you'd be coolto talk to about that.
So yeah, I'm really grateful tobe here and yeah, I just love
what you're putting out in theworld.
So thank you.
Tatiana (30:39):
Oh, thank you.
And thank you all for listeningtoday.
I hope you all have a lovelyweek and I'll see you all soon.
Thank you.
Thank you for tuning in to thisepisode of Integrated Wisdom.
It is my sincere wish thattoday's episode may have
intrigued and inspired you toreclaim your power and step into
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divine potential and create aworld that is more frequently
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So for now, stay connected, stayinspired and keep shining your
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Into the world.
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