Soulful Chats with Psychologist Rosie Hart

In this enlightening Soulful Chats episode of Integrated Wisdom, host Tatiana dives deep with guest Rosie Hart, a psychologist and educator on a mission to integrate spirituality into her work. 

Key Highlights

• Rosie's journey of integrating spirituality into her work as a psychologist and educator
• The transformative power of personal spiritual experiences in professional settings
• Exploring the intersection of psychology, education, and spirituality
• How spiritual insights can enhance learning and personal growth
• Brief mention of Rosie's "Soul Series" as an extension of her integrated approach
• The future of holistic education and psychology

Topics Explored

• The catalyst for Rosie's spiritual awakening and its impact on her career
• Challenges and breakthroughs in integrating spirituality into mainstream psychology and education
• Practical applications of spiritual principles in learning environments
• The concept of lifelong learning through a spiritual lens

You can find Rosie at www.ilearnforlife.com 

To join the waitlist for her 'Soul Series' books, please click the below link: 

https://courses.ilearnforlife.com/p/books

Recommended Books:

The Power of Now, Eckart Tolle
https://www.amazon.com.au/Power-Now-Guide-Spiritual-Enlightenment/dp/1577314808/ref=asc_df_1577314808/?tag=googleshopdsk-22&linkCode=df0&hvadid=341744868201&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=3777633546099368190&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9071831&hvtargid=pla-432561979413&psc=1&mcid=aba9d280fc923b92b0e97d61b44ecb75

Letters to a Starseed, Rebecca Campbell

https://www.amazon.com.au/Letters-Starseed-Messages-Activations-Remembering/dp/1401963323/ref=asc_df_1401963323/?tag=googleshopdsk-22&linkCode=df0&hvadid=464143480251&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=1649346515590688532&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9071831&hvtargid=pla-1212284645751&psc=1&mcid=b3b1a1c80fb1301b9a2b08d43bee5bf3

Becoming Supernatural, Dr Joe Dispenza

https://www.amazon.com.au/Becoming-Supernatural-Common-People-Uncommon-ebook/dp/B0746RN3G7

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Episode Transcript

Tatiana (00:00):
Welcome to the Integrated Wisdom Podcast.
I am your host, Tatyana DaSilva.
Join me as we discuss what itmeans to live an integrated life
and explore ways for you tocreate a life filled with
greater meaning, peace, andconnection by integrating the
wisdom of spirituality,psychology, Neuroscience,

(00:26):
Epigenetics and EnergyPsychology are hoped to empower
you to create deeper and moreloving connections with yourself
and others, whilst also pavingthe way for humanity at large to
be reimagined and inspired tobecome the very best version of
itself.

(00:49):
Hello and welcome to theIntegrated Wisdom Podcast.
Thank you so much for joining mefor yet another week.
This week I have another episodeof my monthly Soulful Chats and
I'm really excited to be joinedby my colleague and one of my
course alumni, Rosie Hart.

(01:10):
Rosie is a psychologist andeducational consultant who
deeply believes in thetransformative power of learning
to help individuals unlock avalidating and engaging life.
Her expertise spans fromorchestrating engaging online
programs to providingpersonalized coaching, all aimed
at unlocking an individual'sfull potential.

(01:31):
With a Master's of LearningScience and Technology from the
University of Sydney, sheutilizes innovative approaches
to designing adaptive learningenvironments in corporate and
educational spheres for bothparents, educators, and young
people alike.
she's passionate about nurturinga deep seated love for lifelong
learning in her students,fostering not only their outcome

(01:54):
based performance, both academicgrowth and competence, but also
in their personal and emotionaldevelopment as global citizens
of the world.
She brings a wealth of knowledgeand heartfelt engagement and a
commitment to excellence thatsupports the students in
transcending their limitationsand enhancing their learning
goals.
Welcome, Rosie.
It's so exciting to have youhere today.

(02:15):
Thank you for agreeing to joinme.

Rosie (02:17):
Thank you so much for having me, Tatiana.

Tatiana (02:20):
So why don't you tell our listeners a little bit more
about yourself?

Rosie (02:23):
Uh, yes, so, my role well, it's vast.
I am a mother, first andforemost, and a loving partner
and wife.
I also work in the psychologyspace, but predominantly in the
facilitation, education,training and development.
In those types of roles, I havebeen, uh, working both for

(02:46):
myself and in a corporatesetting for the last 14 years.
And I just completed yourconscious therapist course,
which I very much appreciated.
And it really continued tounlock the conversation of the
integration of spirituality intowork.
And specifically as apsychologist, but also more

(03:08):
holistic, holistically into lifeitself.
So thank you for that.

Tatiana (03:13):
Oh, no, it was so wonderful to have you.
It was such a great group ofwomen and to see everybody, you
know, contributing their ownperspectives and experiences, I
think has been reallyheartwarming.
And encouraging to see thatthere are so many of us out
there in this sphere, right, inthe psychological sphere, in
whichever modality we work from,that feel this deep yearning to

(03:34):
talk about spirituality in thework that we do.
So why don't you tell me alittle bit about what's first
sparked your interest inspirituality?

Rosie (03:43):
Yes.
I, I think that question is alittle bit difficult to answer
because.
It's always been there, I wouldsay all my life, but there were
moments in that journey that'sreignited the spark you know,
from the very, very beginning,my earliest, earliest memory
which would be aligned to aspiritual memory was that I had

(04:05):
an imaginary friend who wasincredibly real to me, not
imaginary at all.
Very physically real and, andthere in times when I needed
him.
And so over my life, as Idevelop more of a rational self
that sort of took the forefront,but there's, there've definitely

(04:25):
been times in my life where I'vecome across the path of someone
who has reignited and remindedme of that core spirituality
Along my journey.
And I think it really started toaccelerate for me when I had my
second child and and after I hadhim, we had a situation in our
lives where we were confrontedwith conversations around death.

(04:49):
So I have two children and myoldest one's good friend's
father passed suddenly and atsix, I Yeah, five years old he
was at the time.
The conversation around deathwas straight in my face and what
do we say?
How do we respond to it?
And it really challenged me toclarify my.

(05:13):
Beliefs and my spiritual sideto, to be able to answer that
for him.
And so I think of late that itwas that, uh, conversation
around what happens when you diewith my child and, and his
friend as well, that reallyaccelerated the I know it sounds

(05:33):
corny and people use it a lot,but the awakening or the, the
unlocking of this inside me.

Tatiana (05:39):
Oh, wow.
How fascinating.
And it's, it's so curious to mebecause you're, you're not the
first guest I've had on that hasmentioned how motherhood in
particular has played a reallykey role in their spiritual, uh,
I mean, awakening and like,

Rosie (05:59):
A growth, a development, yeah.

Tatiana (06:02):
Yeah, it's really fascinating.
Really fascinating.
I think next, next year in Mayfor Mother's Day, I'm going to
get all of you ladies togetherand we'll do a panel on this
because it has come up a lot.

Rosie (06:13):
Yeah, I, I have listened to a couple of your other uh,
podcasts on this and I think,the, it was really interesting
to hear the similarities in, inexperiences and and the impact
that motherhood has on this,this journey towards.
Self discovery and what I calllearning.

(06:33):
I mean, for me, it's very,that's the key word for me.
It's all about learning.
And so it's been, yeah, it'sbeen great.
It's been challenging.
It's been all, all of, all ofthe different emotions really.

Tatiana (06:46):
Uh, no, there is definitely something very, very
sacred, I guess, aboutmotherhood in whichever form it
takes, right?
Like that I can see how it playsa key role.
very crucial role, not only theperson's individual spiritual
journey, but also in the rolethat they play in guiding other,
you know, little soulsdeveloping into this world.

Rosie (07:05):
And that's really key to the, probably part of the reason
that I've.
I'm here and, and what I talkabout is that it became so clear
that others, particularlychildren need to have the
language and the ways to makesense of themselves in the
world.
As we come up about, youactually say it, you know, many

(07:27):
people say it, we are soulsliving a human experience.
It's about integrating thosethings and why not start those
conversations young, when kidsare asking about, you know,
death and big life challengesand changes that are happening
and anxiety from school andthings like that.

(07:47):
So

Tatiana (07:48):
Absolutely.

Rosie (07:49):
really what has not just sparked my interest, but
accelerated it into somethingthat I have to, you know, now be
authentic to express, I think isthe other thing for me.
Uh, I would say that I wouldhave predominantly been in the
spiritual closet for many years.

Tatiana (08:08):
As many of us have been.

Rosie (08:09):
Yes.
And having these conversations.
with my children has reallybrought it out to, you know,
speak authentically to what whatI believe and what I feel to be
true.

Tatiana (08:25):
Yeah.
How beautiful to be that rolemodel for them, right?
So that they can, they can growalready having a strong sense of
their spiritual self.
I think children are naturally,you know, quite spiritual and
then we, life and society andconditioning kind of bashes that
out of them a little bit.
So to be able to foster that inthem so young is a, is a

(08:46):
wonderful thing.
So it sounds like your, yourjourney, your process has been
quite gradual and organic, butif you had to pick like an
initial spiritual concept thatstarted your, your true
exploration with spirituality,what would you say that was?

Rosie (09:03):
It would have been the concept of death.

Tatiana (09:06):
Okay.

Rosie (09:07):
so the, the typical, many people go through it, that
existential crisis of whathappens.
When we die.
And, and also I think living alife of unsatisfied purpose.
So I guess to say that inanother way, I have always

(09:28):
questioned what is my purpose,my whole life.
And I felt like I've needed toknow, and I've needed to
understand that.
And as different things havecome along in my life, even
children, I realized that it.
It isn't my purpose to be amother or to be a psychologist
or that purpose actually comesfrom deep within, within

(09:53):
yourself and the message wasreally around your purpose is to
be here.
Your purpose is to be present.
Your purpose is to learn andevolve and to change and to be.
When I started aligning thatsense of purpose internally and
combining it with anunderstanding of what happens

(10:14):
when you die, because I feltlike I needed a point for it
all.
What is the point of all thesethings that happen in life?
Uh, the good and the bad.
And then why does it all end?
And what happens when it allends?
And what was the whole point?
And these questions.
And so.
really came very strongly to thefront of my brain and, and so it

(10:36):
was death that was the triggerthat people die, and I've had
people in my life pass away.
And I think the, the flip sideof that is, well, so what do you
do about it to To make somemeaning of the time that we have
here and what is it about?
And how that came to be wasthrough meditation and the

(11:00):
development of meditation, Ishould say.
It was not a skill that camenaturally to me at all.
So another part of the spiritualjourney that really impacted me
was.
First learning to meditate,learning to be present.
And in my journey, I had tolearn that as a skill, like
learning to ride a bike.
It was not straightforward.

(11:20):
It was not easy.
And it, it, it's taken years toget to a point where I can
switch off from the, Thephysical world and get into that
place of peace and presence andmeditation.

Tatiana (11:34):
Yeah.
Wow.
I mean, meditation can be hardfor so many people, can't it?
Yeah.
And it's interesting that youfound an approach that obviously
worked for you.

Rosie (11:43):
Yes, well it's been a sequential approach.
It's been a gradual approach.
It's, it's been a learnedapproach and this is back to my,
my piece on learning.
It was something that I had tolearn and it would have been one
of my life lessons, learning tobe present.
And it wasn't something thatjust came naturally.
Easily, but it now, and I tookit to the extent of when I had

(12:07):
my children, I usedhypnobirthing as a way to give
birth because I already startedto recognize the power of
meditation.
A number of years ago, I gotvery sick and one of the, the
tools that got me out of thatsickness was meditation.
It changed my, my physicalhealth and helped me to heal.

(12:28):
So it was.
It became something that wasvery powerful for me that I had
learned to do.
And because I had learned it, Ifelt a great sense of
accomplishment because it wassomething that back many years
ago, you know, probably 30 yearsago, 25 years ago, it wouldn't
have been something I was evencapable of.

(12:49):
I remember these let's meditatesessions and we'd all lie down
and I'd just be going, Oh, whycan't I do this?
What is wrong with me?
I just can't stop.
And So yeah, I think the, thetrigger was the dealing with
death and then the strategy wasbeing present and meditating.
And that's what really startedto help me listen to my

(13:09):
intuition in a less biased way.

Tatiana (13:13):
Oh, wow.
How fascinating.
So, from your experience or yourperspective, what have been the
benefits for you personally instarting to open up to your
spiritual essence?
Yeah.
Thanks.

Rosie (13:26):
Well, one of the really big benefits was I've always
been really challenged withanxiety and depression because
Going through school, I hadlearning challenges and
disabilities, so to speak, but Iwould call them differences.
And I lived a life of feelingincompetent and feeling that I

(13:46):
couldn't achieve certain thingsand it created a lot of anxiety.
And the most profound benefit ofcombining the, the spiritual
beliefs and the meditation isthat I've now found peace from
that.
And I, I don't know if it'sgoing to continue forever, but
it is, it is definitely a piecethat has just evaporated, uh,

(14:08):
from, from thinking in a waythat was very mentally unhealthy
and negative to being able tojust dissolve is the only word
that I can think of it, justdissolve that way of thinking
and being And that came fromthese beliefs about spirituality

(14:28):
and why we're here and whatwe're here to do, uh, as well as
the, the ongoing learningphilosophy that I carry
throughout my life.

Tatiana (14:37):
Mm hmm.

Rosie (14:37):
is very powerful.

Tatiana (14:40):
Absolutely.
And I guess that, that leadsnicely into how you feel this
new perspective or approach hasthen enhanced the work that you
do.
And I love that we're coming atit from a different lens because
a lot of these conversations Ihave are around the clinical
space.
So from an educationalperspective or in the work that

(15:00):
you do, how do you feel likeit's enhanced your

Rosie (15:03):
Oh, it gives me goosebumps that question because
in, there are so many ways itenhances it.
One simple way is that lifeisn't actually a dichotomy about
good or bad, or you are right,or you are wrong.
Life is about degrees ofunderstanding.
Life is a process of learningand growth.
Uh, and so I think in huge ways,it's reframed my whole mindset

(15:27):
around it.
Education and what that is Ithink the other way that it's
really enhanced my work isthrough authenticity.
So I have gone through lifesomewhat feeling like I wear a
mask, you know, that impostersyndrome that people have.

Tatiana (15:46):
Yes.
I've heard of it.

Rosie (15:48):
Yes, of us have.
But it really, it gave me anauthentic message and
authenticity to respond and tobe confident that my response
was Valid and helpful anduseful, even if it was different
to someone else's response.

(16:10):
And I think that in the workthat I do, every single moment,
I am engaged with a group who islearning.
I find it so profound to look atthem through the lens of their
learning journey.
And not be, not be confronted bythem or, you know, back to the
imposter syndrome, not feelinglike, Oh, I don't know what I'm

(16:31):
talking about, but actuallymaybe this person has something
to teach me, I might be standingat the front of the room, but
this could be someone who'sabout to teach me a very
profound lesson, especially if Idon't agree with them.
Especially if we have adifferent perspective or point
of view.
And I think the, the part of me,the spiritual part of me really

(16:51):
brings that lens to all of thework I do.
It's not necessarily madeexplicit, but you know, I had a,
a session I ran recently andthe, the CEO of the company,
after my first 45 minutes.
He pulled his computer out andhe sat down.
He just started typing away.
So I looked at it and I One sideof my brain went off disengaged

(17:14):
lost the CEO probably won't getasked to work here again But my
my intuitive side said don'tjudge Ask the question when it's
the right time.
And so it wasn't the right timeduring the session to say,
excuse me, why, why were youdisengaging?
Why were you on your computer?
But at the end of the program,when I wrapped it up, I said,

(17:35):
Oh, I'm really curious what itwas that you were doing on your
computer.
And he said to me, Oh wow,Rosie, what you shared with me,
I realized that I'd missed anentire message.
Cause he said, I'm, I'mpresenting next.
And what you'd shared with me.
Made me realize that I'm notcommunicating effectively to my
staff and I have to completelychange the way I'm talking to

(17:56):
them.
And so he was busy changing hisslide deck while I was giving
the rest of my presentation.
And I said, that's sointeresting because from where
I'm standing, half of my brainwent, Oh, disengaged, not, not
enjoying this presentation.
And I said, so it would bereally interesting to think
about what your colleagues wereinterpreting from that

(18:17):
situation.
The reason I share that storythough is because a past version
of me would have gone intoanxiety, would have been worried
that this person didn't likewhat they were getting or not
happy what they paid for.
And that anxiety would make meunable to move forward and grow
and resolve.
With this person, it would, Iwould be so worried about what

(18:39):
they think or what might happenthat I wouldn't have
authentically been able to askthe question.
And that's not something that isa worry for me anyway.
This, you know, maybe, maybe Idid stuff it up and that was my
lesson, but that's how Iperceive it.
And that's what I'm kind of, themindset I'm taking when I

(19:00):
approach these, thesesituations.

Tatiana (19:02):
Yeah.
Oh, I just love everything thatyou've just said because I
agree.
I think at the heart of ourspiritual journey on earth, It
is a process of learning, right?
And even when we think about itpsychologically, if you're
looking at the challenges andthe experiences that we have in
life from that place of acurious student, what does this

(19:27):
situation have to teach me?
What can I learn from thischallenge?
Even if it's an, yeah, if ourown internal conditioning
challenges, you know, that's theway out.
Otherwise we get stuck.
And so your example illustratesso beautifully, right?
Like you sat in curiosity inthat example, and it moved you
out of the, yeah, the condition,stuckness that anxiety would

(19:50):
have kept you in if you allowedthe narrative of, Like there's
something faulty with me or withwhat I'm doing.
It's not good enough to, toprevail.
So that's beautiful.

Rosie (20:00):
Yes.
Yeah.
And I think that's what be thepresence gives me.
That's what the meditation givesme.
Uh, there are still moments whenI do have a, you know, Amygdala
hijack in the words of, I thinkit's Dan Goldman.
But I, I can take myself away goto the bathroom, calm myself

(20:21):
down, and I can, usingmeditative practices, I can
bring that state down veryquickly now, and be present and
be in the moment.
And, I must say, it's a loteasier to do at work than it is
with toddlers and young childrenrunning around.
But.
It's still an incrediblypowerful tool that has served me

(20:41):
well and has really unlockedthis deep spiritual journey
within.

Tatiana (20:47):
Mm.
That's amazing.
Uh, I think, I mean, we talkedabout these in the course, and a
lot of the conversations thatI've been having with other
therapists on this podcastrevolve around this fear, I
think particularly here inAustralia, that we have of
owning our spiritual essence andour spiritual perspectives more

(21:09):
openly.
Is this a fear that youexperienced yourself?

Rosie (21:13):
Uh, yes, I think in life in general, it is a fear and it,
it's back to that example that Ijust shared about the, the man
and the laptop.
It's It's something that I needto learn to work around.
And this is part of my learningright now.
Right now in life, it is part ofmy meditation and reflective

(21:36):
processes to think about howmuch do I share Because for me,
the transformation is absolutelyprofound and I love sharing that
with people, but it is notalways right to share with
everyone all the time.
And because other people are notalways at the right point in
their journey to hear it theright way.

(21:58):
And so I think what my Where myfear comes from is bringing it
up in the right way for theright person at the right time.

Tatiana (22:08):
Mm.

Rosie (22:08):
And when I do, do that, I don't have fear.
Uh, when I, when I jump insometimes, I do have fear.
Oh, should I, should I make thatFacebook post about
spirituality?
Should I talk to this issue?
And, I still have that fear, butmy, my I guess, what would you

(22:32):
call it?
My antidote to that fear isusually around asking the
question rather than telling theinformation.
If that makes sense.

Tatiana (22:43):
Yeah, absolutely.

Rosie (22:44):
found that and, and it can be hard in a, in a situation
where you're asked directly bysomeone about your spiritual
beliefs or, uh, whatever itmight be.
And I don't actually feel thatmy role is ever to change
anyone's belief system.
Uh, I can only share mine andthe journey I came to, to

(23:04):
believe this and, and know this,but I find that asking.
The question is so much morepowerful than telling the
answer.
And I give a couple of examplesof this in my life, because when
it does come up, people, thespiritual conversation, people
don't always know where to takeit or what to ask.
And I remember being and this isa little bit different cause

(23:27):
it's actually around religion,not spirituality, but it, it
came with the same veracity andI remember being a young child
and saying, my parents aren't.
And, you know, so what does thatmean about heaven and hell?
If my parents aren't Christiansand the, usually it was a girl
the same age as me in the youthgroup, and she said, well, it

(23:48):
just means that your parentswon't go to heaven or hell or
they won't be anywhere and, butit's okay, cause you won't love
them.
And it was in that conversation,it was profound for me.
He's like, well, I don't wantthat then I don't want those
those guidelines to be told tome that I don't love my parents.
And so here's a very crassexample of a young kid trying to

(24:11):
tell me about something aboutmyself.
And even, even as a older adultlooking to explore spirituality
in my early twenties I had adeath in the family and the
comment was made that, Oh, well,it's that person's choice to
end.
end their life.

(24:32):
Then their life, what they meantwas end their life contract.
But again, being told that to medirectly didn't, didn't fill me
with ease, didn't help me tonavigate the grief that I was
experiencing.
It made me angry actually.
And so I think one of thechallenges we have as
therapists, psychologists,educators with the spiritual

(24:52):
inclination is being careful ofthe dictation of information and
beliefs.
Because we know that Our ownintuition is such a strong
compass when it's nourished andguided and enriched.
In fact, when I was reading abook, which I can talk to you
later, but one of the firstsentences in the book is if any

(25:13):
of this book doesn't align toyour intuitive feelings and
messages, then you are welcometo disregard it.
And so I felt like, for me, thatwas the first time someone had
said to me, Your internalcompass is there to guide you on
your journey through yourlearning path and you will do it
at the right time you need to doit.

(25:33):
Uh, nowadays if someone says tome they passed away and that was
the end of their life contract,I have a very different
reaction.
But that's only because I'vegone through my own spiritual
journey to get to a place whereI hold and now have spiritual
beliefs and perspectives aboutthe workings of life.
The esoteric world.

Tatiana (25:53):
Yeah.
So on that note, what value doyou see for those of us who work
with people, right?
Psychologists, therapists,educators, in a, in a capacity
of nurturing and guiding otherpeople, not just healing, but
nurturing and guiding them aswell to embrace their spiritual

(26:14):
essence, or at the very least bemore curious about spirituality.

Rosie (26:18):
Yeah, I think though there are two ways to come at
it.
One way is through the What areyou here to learn whether you
believe it from a spiritualpoint or not?
That's that's a big value driverand that we have and so I would
often talk to that point andhelp others question that, you
know, these themes that keepreappearing in your life.

(26:41):
What are they trying to tellyou?
What could be the message behindthem?
You know, the journaling withthe higher self whether you
explain it that way or notexplain it that way, that
sometimes helps to elicit theseconnections.
So, I think that's part of it.
Part of it is using the learninglens to help people.

(27:02):
Think about these experiences inlife and what they're trying to
learn.
I mean, another example thatcomes to mind is the, there's a
spiritual teacher who wastalking about controlled crying
for babies and talking aboutit's a terrible thing we leave
our children to cry and theimpact on their spirit is very

(27:26):
negative and You know, again,dictating a message around a
particular scenario or strategythat's parents use.
And my intuitive self got reallyupset by the message and the
dictation of the message andthought, well hang on, what if
it is part of the learningjourney of that person to have
that experience and that is partof the progress and growth that

(27:47):
they actually need?
And I find myself always askingthis same question about all
scenarios where we, where we'reso judgmental, uh, we, We judge
things so harshly, you know, youshouldn't do that.
We should do this.
I mean, the world is as it is,let's stop judging it.
And let's start learning fromthe experience that we are

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having and trying to learn.
So in a way that is curious andis open minded and is.
Growth orientated.
Uh, so I think that's probablywhere a lot of the lessons in my
experience come from and wheremy spirituality shows up in my.
In my work life.

Tatiana (28:31):
Yeah.
Oh, so beautifully said.
And, you know, as you're sayingthat, this idea of being
judgmental, and you're right,like, I think we're very quick
to judge and we judge veryharshly.
I'm even thinking of some of,some peers in our profession
who, You know, they don't reallyhide their judgey side very
well, you know, like most of thenotifications that are made to

(28:55):
our regulator are made by otherpsychologists, you know, we're
all policing each other.
And it's, it's very interestingto see how there's, there's so
much scope there for yeah, to bemore curious.
And what's the word would yousay?
Compassionate?
Communicating

Rosie (29:16):
yeah I know, I think it's being curious, compassionate and
just removing judgment.
It's removing the need to have acomparison all the time and to
have an evaluation of what isright.
I mean, So many things in ourworld are actually established
and set up by multiple beliefsystems that we hold and it's

(29:41):
the development of these beliefsystems and the sometimes
crumbling of them that need tohappen to stop us making that
judgment.
And I think if you perceive theworld as a place where we are
souls having a human experienceto learn and to grow and to
evolve and that is what I dofundamentally believe.

(30:02):
It takes away the judgmentbecause you start to say, what
learning journey is that personon right now?
And am I invested and engagedwith it or, or am I not?
You know, do I play a role andcontribute and help in that
process or do I not?
And I think over time, the, thejudgment part, it just seems to,

(30:26):
Maybe lessen or, or reduce itsimportance because it's not
necessarily about what is betterand best, at least not in my
philosophy.
It's more about what is learnedand what is gained through the
process.
And those messages align reallybeautifully to a lot of growth

(30:47):
mindset, psychology and, andeffort based practices in
education over achievement basedpractices.
So yeah, there is a lot ofalignment there, but I do, I do
wish and hope for a world thatis less filled with judgment.

Tatiana (31:03):
Mm.
Hear, hear.
Yeah, I agree.
I agree.
So I guess on a finalreflection, if you had to pick
one transformative aspect ofembracing spirituality more
fully, Both on a personal and aprofessional level, what aspect

(31:24):
would that be for you?

Rosie (31:26):
Hmm, I think probably the most transformational aspect, if
you want to ask for a strategy,it's meditation.

Tatiana (31:37):
Yep.

Rosie (31:37):
If you want to ask for a philosophy, it's presence

Tatiana (31:42):
this.

Rosie (31:43):
and being present in the focus without judgement, as I
was saying.

Tatiana (31:48):
the compass.
Yeah.

Rosie (31:51):
and I think if there was an emotive part, it would be
Love and acceptance, because youcan't have all of those three
things, those two things rather,without the love and acceptance
of the situation you're in.
Without the, the part of lovingand unconditionally loving, you

(32:14):
can't not judge, because youstart to put yourself in that us
versus them mindset.
And so I think there's, you saidone transformational aspect, but
I think it's actually acombination.
of transformational aspects.

(32:34):
And the reason I give acombination of them is that for
different people, any one ofthose three things is going to
help them unlock the the messagefor them.
To help others unlock thiswithin themselves, I, I think
they really need to, to find thefirst step strategy that works

(32:56):
for them.
And it isn't the same strategyfor every person.
And the best way to find yourstrategy is to go into your
meditative state and go withyour intuition, which is going
to guide you with that.

Tatiana (33:11):
Oh, so beautiful.
So well said Rosie.
And I love that you've expandedon beyond the one, the one
aspect, because it is, it'smultifaceted, right?
There's so much to be gainedfrom this.
You really straightened thatbeautifully.
So I have this one last thingthat I always ask my guests,
which is to recommend atransformational.

(33:34):
spiritual book that you wouldrecommend to other listeners, I
guess, to help them on theirinitial journey with exploring
these concepts, if they'recurious.

Rosie (33:45):
Yes.
I think that's a very goodquestion.
And, uh, again, I won't give oneanswer.
Because again, the reason forgiving these different
suggestions is because dependingon where you are at in your
learning journey, a book may notresonate with you at this
particular point.
In fact, the first book, ThePower of Now Eckhart Tolle's, I

(34:08):
know that's been recommended ona podcast before, but it is a
very powerful book to startbringing your presence to the
moment.
And if I share that from mystory, uh, that was, I've read
the book twice.
The first time it did not speakto me and, uh, it wasn't ready
to hear it.

(34:28):
And then I read it maybe fiveyears later and it absolutely
did speak to me.
Uh, so I, I also, you know, withbook recommendations, I think
sometimes I've, I've had bookssit on my shelf.
Another book that was veryprofound was Becoming
Supernatural, Joe Dispenza.

Tatiana (34:47):
Oh, yes.
Mm

Rosie (34:48):
And that one sat on my bookshelf for about eight years,
sat there.
And I was like, why haven't Iread that yet?
And it, it just kept not.
I wasn't drawn to it and then ata certain point I was and that
was another step on my spiritualjourney.
And the last one of late, andthis is the book I mentioned
earlier where she says early on,if something doesn't resonate

(35:10):
with your intuition, you canfeel free to move on from that.
And that's a book by a ladycalled Rebecca Campbell called
Letters to a Starseed.
And It's a beautiful bookwritten in the form of letters
to, to your soul and uh,messages to your soul.
And a lot of her phrasing when Iwas reading it, it's very spooky

(35:32):
because her turn of phrase, theuse of language, the way she
expresses herself is veryaligned to the, what she's way I
express myself and the languagethat I use.
And so that that one is more forthose who are on a deep, deep
quest and the spiritual self andthose messages.
But there are three wonderfulbooks that have, yeah, formed a

(35:55):
part of that journey oftransformation and unlocking for
me.

Tatiana (36:01):
well, thank you for that.
I'll add a link to all threebooks in the show notes.
And I know Rebecca Campbellproduces the most beautiful,
card decks but I haven't readher book, which is interesting.
So, I'll add the links in theshow notes and I'm going to add
the book to my pile of books toread.

Rosie (36:21):
Absolutely.

Tatiana (36:21):
Every ending I need to retire soon.

Rosie (36:25):
Don't we all?

Tatiana (36:26):
So I can read more.
Speaking of books and we canedit this if you want me to, but
did you want to speak about yourspiritual books?

Rosie (36:33):
Yeah, sure, sure.
I can do that.
Yeah.

Tatiana (36:36):
So speaking of books, I know that you've got a project
in the works at the moment on aseries of books on spirituality.
I'd love you to speak about thatif you're, if you're willing to.

Rosie (36:47):
Yes.
Absolutely.
So, it links back to theconversation I was having
earlier about.
Talking to my son aboutspirituality and about, well, in
its end conversation, whathappens when you die and his
fears around dying and what thatmeant.
And, uh, but also other, otherareas of life, like what does it

(37:12):
mean to be a good friend andwhat, how do we deal with
change?
So with a dear friend of mine Iactually wrote these books one
day when my son was sick athome.
from school and I had a sick dayoff from work.
So I wasn't working and I saidto my higher self, you know,
what do I need to do today?
And like a lightning bolt, themessage was write six children's

(37:34):
books.
And I thought to myself, Oh,okay.
All right.
Thinking, That might take me ayear, six children's

Tatiana (37:40):
Yeah.

Rosie (37:41):
And I asked the next question, what am I supposed to
write these books on?
And again, the message was very,very clear.
It was about the soul.
And, uh, so I've ended up withsix books, that fall under the
umbrella of the Soul Series.
And these Soul Series books arepicture books for children.

(38:03):
The first one's called Know YourSoul which is about
understanding the concept of asoul.
And you can take the esotericmeaning of this, or you can also
take the soul as being ametaphor for your inner voice,
your inner compass.
So know your soul is one ofthem.
Heal your soul.
So if you're feeling worried oryou're having a hard time, how
you heal your soul, how youconnect your soul how you

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release your soul, meaning whathappens when you pass on, how
you evolve your soul, you changeit over time.
And my son's favourite onecelebrate your soul.
How you celebrate thedifferences and the uniqueness
of what makes you special.
So this is a work in progress,but I can send the link to the
current landing page becauseI'm, I'm putting you can

(38:48):
actually see the current demo ofRelease My Soul there.
I flick through the pages.
You can, you can read it alongwith it.
But I'm hoping that these booksreally help bring the
conversation of having a soul toyoung children.
And my ultimate goal is toactually have a soul journal
that goes with it, where theycan use the messages in the

(39:10):
books, but also apply Theselessons in their lives for
dealing with these challenges asthey emerge.
So yes, very happy to sharethat.
It's a very pet project and workin progress.
I'll definitely put that outthere.
But if you are a like mindedparent or educator and working
with children and want to beable to discuss these concepts,

(39:32):
uh, this is hopefully one way tounlock the conversation.
The books at the end of eachbook, there's some questions to
help people further developthese conversations and, and
have these have these chats withtheir young people.
Perfect.

Tatiana (39:50):
a fascinating resource.
I am already on the wait listfor these books.
I can't wait for them to beavailable.
Cause you know, I've read a fouryear old niece that I would love
to gift my daughter.

Rosie (40:01):
Yeah.

Tatiana (40:02):
Uh, but yeah, like I, if you can share the link with
us, I'll add it to the shownotes and then people can keep
checking on its availability forwhen it's out there

Rosie (40:12):
Yeah.
That's great.

Tatiana (40:13):
and we'll.
How else can people, I guess,find you, find your work?

Rosie (40:17):
Yeah.
So probably the easiest place tofind me is on my website, which
is www.
ilearnforlife.
com.
And it's quite funny, even inthe naming of my business, I, I
even named it before I reallyfully understood the connection
to spirituality.
But the the work that I do isall about learning and

(40:39):
understanding that you are, orwe are all lifelong learners and
that we want to be able toembrace learning positively and
not, not have it stamped out ofus.
Like in so many sad situationsit has been because of
challenges we've had orenvironments we've been in but
really Embrace the philosophy oflearning to have a fulfilling

(41:02):
and meaningful life.
So that's probably the bestplace to find me.

Tatiana (41:06):
Thank you so much for sharing all of that with us.
I will add all the links in theshow notes so people can find
you

Rosie (41:12):
My pleasure.

Tatiana (41:13):
and I am so grateful, Rosie, for you coming on.
It's been a fantasticconversation as I expected that
it would be.
I love that we could bring thisdifferent perspective of, you
know, education and learning andharnessing.
the growth mindset and the, theeternal student in

Rosie (41:31):
Yes.

Tatiana (41:32):
navigating this life journey, this life lesson plan.
Oh, this earthly lesson plan, Ishould say.
So thank you so much again foryour time and for joining us
today.
Any final thoughts?

Rosie (41:44):
My pleasure.
I think my final thought is toencourage you to open up to the
learning within, even if attimes it is a bit challenging.
You know that you can learn, youcan change, you can grow and you
can develop.
And that is the beautifulmessage that is this life and
the life that we have.
So take it and use it wisely.

Tatiana (42:08):
Oh, beautifully said.
Absolutely.
Well, thank you so much again.
And thank you all for listening.
I hope you all have a lovelyweek and we'll speak soon.

Rosie (42:17):
Thanks Tatiana.

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