ITS UP THERE PODCAST E 15|LOONEY SPEAKS TO OG BLOOD WILD KAT ABOUT QUEENS FLIP HIS COME UP IN BLOODS & BEEF WITH KILLER KEV ALSO DOING 17 YEARS ON RIKERS ISLAND

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When the when, the when the when a newspaper first
came out? And how niggas was made millionnaires and ship

(00:44):
from neck. You know what I'm saying, Who did what?
What moves they make? Because that's the same time when
we're in a brand new industry. You know what I'm saying.
Let me get this intro and then we're gonna get
to it. Mama, Yeah, hit that introm what and he not?

(01:19):
Did that price? I was smelling at you? Did you
want to not? Did nice? I was on at you
when I caught Did I even do a little that trup?
When he noted that night? Yeah, yeah, I feel like
I did it with the ain't street you didn't be
really in the field. I boasted up and when he
got fitted and he didn't, I went there to begin
the drake at the Grammars and ninety then she ring
ran right back to the town with the ramas. My

(01:40):
kid came me some me ain't right the way by
the way the way ain't No, I ain't only man
that you learned that for show nigga the game. No,
I hain't on me and I'm making man some mooning man.
What did they show? And they fled? They gonna roun
some o Grammy at it all. Welcome to another episode

(02:04):
of It's Up That Podcast with your boy Luna Lucciano.
What we're doing today is we're doing It's Up That
Podcast live. What a guy that I tapped in with
the Queens Flip Show, Uh, you know, stand up guy
from what we could see, and we're gonna get into
his story and how he came up and what things
happened in between his his rise as a as a

(02:27):
member of one of the notorious games in in New
York City. And at the time, of course we know
games was something new. Um, so it's gonna be interesting
just to get into high they navigated with such a
new thing. What did it? What did it birth itself from?
And just several conversations and several games. We're gonna give
that in game. We're gonna kick um what I need

(02:50):
y'all to do. If y'all new here again, my name
is Luna Luccia. Know I'm in control of It's up
that podcast in that FOJFFO tv um. If you ain't
listening to them episodes, go grab them. We're getting paid
for podcasts. So it's a beautiful thing. I've had Doctor
with Ma Johnson, I've had Floor may Wether, I've had
Take Keith, I've had Bad Play, I've had so many

(03:13):
names that it's just it's that's that type of podcast.
So it's for the culture. I know y'all running out
of ship to look at and listen to with the
corning niggas all in the way. So I'm here for that,
and I got another nigga here for that that we're
gonna sit up. We're gonna chop it up real nigga's
gonna enjoy this conversation. From the east to the west,
from the top to the bottom, you see what I'm saying.

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So we got my nigga wildcat. What's going on my nigga? Salut, salut, homie,
how's it going? Bro? Man just kicking up? Does man
just gonna chop it up with you? Man? I ain't
really ain't doing much of none. You know, before we
got into it, and we're gonna get into your life
and you know everything you've been through, how you got
into it, but before we was talking, I'm gonna touch

(03:56):
on that a little bit. You know, this time that
we're in, dealing with Internet, dealing with media, dealing with
stories like yours, dealing with situations like mine, and just
dealing with this YouTube and its data and all this shit.
It's a very new lane that we in. And what
happens is it's gonna birth millionnaires, billionnails niggas that just stayed. Boy,

(04:19):
It's gonna birth niggas. It's making ten grand a month,
five grand, it's gonna berth all kind of economic opportunities.
You see what I'm saying. And so what me and
you people like us gotta do is is, like I
told you, similar to what Joe Budden is fighting before
I know my Joe Budden shit went viral. People think
I hate Joe Budden, but I don't. I just pee

(04:42):
game like what we was talking about. But similar to
Joe Budden, we were in positions to where we should
be at the forefront, other than the niggas who try
to bleed then with this shit. You know what I'm saying,
Because this shit, niggas like you gave your life to
this shit when they've done tame for this ship. So
it's it's important that you batter future to the label,

(05:04):
you see what I'm saying, versus a nigga ten years
from now kind of built this legacy off your back,
off my back, go off in and one of our backs.
And so I want to thank you for being here today, man,
And we we're gonna get into some gangster ship and
we're gonna talk it out. Man. First of all, I
want to ask you this homey Um, just tell the
people what your name is, where you from? Let's start there.

(05:27):
Unless I be og Wildcat originally from East New York, Brooklyn,
you know what I'm saying. Um, I grew up also
around Ozone Park too, in that area, and I always
went uptown. See, I was another a person that stood
in the hood in my own hood, like that was

(05:47):
where my grandfather always told me, don't don't shit when
you eat at you know what I'm saying. So it
was that, Yeah, I'm from I'm from the East and
I love my my borrow in my hood. Yeah. Out
of times I be on the train, I had to
go uptown to the Bronx and in other areas. You
know what I'm saying. New York City period. You know
what I'm saying. I grew up around New York City.

(06:08):
You know what I'm saying. Okay, Fox um Um predominantly
when I was growing up. None of the hoods that
I lived in um had too many Spanish people, you
know what. Okay, Okay, most of the hoods that I
grew up in was predominantly African American? Right? Was that?

(06:32):
Was that? Did you did you find yourself? Was it? See?
Because when I'm from Cashville, Tennessee, Right, we don't really.
We got Mexican at home is and ship and a
lot of times if a nigga deal with with with
with the Mexican at home boy, he might be the
plug most times, right, but it ain't. It ain't a
situation where a nigga is dealing with the with the

(06:54):
with the Mexican he living next dog. So if there
is any integration with that, I don't understand it, and
I'm sure some people that's watching don't understand it. So
tell me. Was it normal for blacks and Mexicans to integrate?
Was it racism? That was it an issue there? Was
it rough? Or was it just normal? Likely like they

(07:15):
it's just another motherfucking the hood. Oh well, first, I'm Dominican. Okay, okay, okay,
my bad, Dominican. My my bad, my bad, my bad, bad,
my bad. I stay hey, so okay, okay, New York though,
I gotta remember that though see New York. The Dominicans

(07:35):
respect though, go ahead. Um So, now, to me, it
was it really was normal for me, because like, all right,
when when my parents, you know, they came from the
DR and I just left the DR too, man, Yeah
that our dr. Man to salute to the d that's

(07:59):
my time. But so they from from there, they came
and moved into the heights they used to live and
wash the heights up. So and then from then, you know,
whatever happened between my moms and pops, it was the
creation of me, you know what I'm saying. They had
moved from the heights and they moved down to Ozone
Park in Eastern York and Land. Okay, so we were

(08:22):
living now and then. So I guess to me, it
was all normal because look at my complexion, you know
what I'm saying, right, right, I'm I'm already like you
know what I'm saying, like a brown skin type of right. Yeah.
So yeah, like most most people. And then my head,

(08:43):
My head was nappy, you know what I'm saying. So
most people when they saw me, they was like, oh, yeah,
he's you know, he blacked. You know what I'm saying.
I was Spanish until they heard my mom's when like
when I was in elementary school, my mom just comes
to get me. Yeah yeah from the accent and ship.
Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah, come to the call,

(09:04):
you know, yeah yeah come on yeah yeah yeah yeah
yeah one hundred percent on hundred percent. Okay, So so coming,
So so you came up. So when at what age
did you find yourself in into the gang banging ship? Um? Okay,
so that had to be I was about nineteen nineteen. Yeah,

(09:26):
did you have your name before that? Wildcattle did the
name sparn from what I did as gang banging or
did you already have your name going into that? No?
I already have my name wait before that. Okay, I
actually got my name in juvenile when I was locked
up in juvenile. I was locked up in Sparford in
the Bronx. And what happened was when I got arrested

(09:49):
for a robbery. And I was fourteen, fourteen years old,
so when it was taking me to Sparford, was was
juvenile detension. Um. When I came in, I can't I
had a Buster Brown's Wildcats shirt on and they didn't
take the shirt from me. They let they let me

(10:09):
stay with the shirt, you know what I'm saying. So
I stayed with the shirt. Yeah. Now I'm running around
and it's and it was a brand new shirt too,
So I'm running around the houses and dudes is trying
to get me from my shirt, you know what I'm saying.
So I had to keep fighting the shirt just because
it's freshing you behind the walls of what Because I

(10:31):
came through with a fresh shirt, right and it had
the little like tiger, It had the little tiger stuff,
you know what I mean. Right, it was it was
a fly looking shirt, so automatically I had a thumb
for the shirt and a couple of houses that I
kept that I was going in. So from then on,
when they used to describe me, they used to be like, yo,
you know something with the wild that the wildcat dude,

(10:54):
I'm saying he got into a fighter, um and b three,
Oh yeah, that's the same thing at that got into
the first him. Yeah, and it started. Yeah, And see
that's why I say, you know what I hate. I
hate a nigga to give itself a nickname. If you don't,
if your ship don't come to in the hood, if
you're from the street or the hood, that ship just
come like a naturally some kind of way. Your name.

(11:16):
Oh we're gonna start. Colin brought it because he done
that that day or something like that. Most niggas that
get their self a name, and it's always a name
with some kind of murder or something. Minute. You know
what I'm saying. But my bad continued big brou Yeah. Yeah.
So that stuck with me through. So I went to DFY,
which is division for youth. That's when you get juvenile time.

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So I wouldn't did my juvenile time of North and
then I came home. When I came home, I got
into another situation. And now I'm on riker Zale. What
What's what situations sent you up? Um? What was that situation?
It was a it was a shooting, but they couldn't
get me for the shoot him, so they hit me

(11:59):
with the gun and m You know, I was on
Briker's Island fighting it at first. At first I was
fighting it. Yeah, I was fighting it, you know what
I'm saying. I was you know, I didn't want to
get guilty of you know, they didn't had no proof
on me, you know what I'm saying. But then they
still had the joint, you know what I'm saying. But

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I'm looking at it like this, I'll take the time
for the joint as long as I beat the others
the other exact yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah. So
I laid up for about you know what I'm saying,
maybe about a year some change, you know what I'm saying,
taking them chord dates man far. But you know, throughout
that time I'm on the island, now, you know what
I'm saying. And this dude that's on the island that

(12:43):
were with me in sparfor Okay, you know what I'm saying.
Didn't want to get back to what did you? Is
it love? Is it? No? No, it was love. It
was love. Okay that either knew me because witness. Yeah,
back facts, they're like, oh shit, that's wild cat. You
know what I'm saying now, it was It was a bitual.

(13:05):
Now when dudes you said ask me, they're like, yo,
what's your hands? Or I used to be like your
wild cat? You know what I'm saying right right, no,
because now I just got so used to it and
I've been through so much. You know what I'm saying
for that shirt. What I'm saying, yes Lord, yes, Lord.
The name stuck. So I'm like, oh, it's like, ask me,
that's what I used to tell them. So now you

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end up you end up going to jail before you
start banging, or you was banging in you start banging
in jail. How did that happen? All? Right? So my
name was already known because I've been blazing shit since
since adolescents. You know what I'm saying. When I was adolescent,
they kicked me out of the adolescents and send me

(13:51):
to an dope jail, but I was still an adolescent
and say something. Yeah. So basically it's like, um, the
unit the cell block that we was in those twenty
six thally think your audio went out a little bit.

(14:13):
You might be covering. Huh there go, there go, I
can heating the Okay. So the whole jail was adults,
but that one gallery was adolescents. At first it was
two galleries, but then they bowed anybody and they only
kept one gallery. You know what I'm saying people, It

(14:35):
was it was twenty two regular cells plus there was
three cages in the back them. Things were so small
you could touch the walls with your hands. Yeah, like
that feeling you can touch with your hands, you know
what I'm saying. So it was one of the fall joints.
And then instead of you having just bars where you

(14:56):
can stick your hand out through, and had a cage
like mesh over the ball. Yeah you know what I'm saying. So, um,
when I turned the dope from from C seventy four
two over there, you know what I'm saying. Now I'm
going to I'm already knowing about the banging because as

(15:19):
side resting PC, he had a red bandanna on one
time and I was like, yo, you know what I'm saying.
So with the Bandanna, yeah you know, I mean I
know about that was colors, you know what I mean?
Right right, right right, But telling me about the movement,
so you know what I'm saying, I'm like, oh, word
or word, that's what's going on down here. Because when

(15:39):
I left, when I went up north, you know the
first time when I went up north, the tension was
like type like you know what I'm saying. It wasn't
that yeah, yea, because I came back down because they
had before shoot another shooter, you know what I'm saying.
So when I came back down then I saw that

(15:59):
the tension and was let down. Now it was really
on like I'm so between who who who? Who's the
titching between between the Latin Kings and the land Kings
and the nether Thighs again and basically against everybody, because
what happened was they got so big that you know,

(16:19):
like like it's like everything if it gets too big,
sometimes it gets out of order. Right, what I'm saying, right, Well,
take a difference set of rules to control some ship
that's big, didn't do to control some shit that's small,
and people try to use the same rules for the
smaller ship for the big ship. And that's why people
who don't understand it say you change the bigger you

(16:41):
get because they don't understand how changed as the game
is changing, you know what I'm saying. But continue facts facts.
So when you know they was they was recruiting. Naybody
know what I'm saying. So now they got mad deep, right,
So they got to the point where dudes' you know
the phone, they fighting over territory. So it's just it's

(17:07):
only popping now. But now you know, you gotta look
at it like this, Like I remember when I first
came through, I was fighting with the hands. You know
what I'm saying, because I've been boxing since I'm eight
years old, but dudes, wasn't boxing in there. I remember,
I'm fighting this one dude, and even though I'm plucking
them out, son happened to cut me in the in
the arm, and I'm like, oh shit, he just nigga

(17:30):
just cut me. Oh oh hell no, okay, Now they
ain't playing any here, So I was like, Noah, the
game up. Now, now we've got to change game. So yeah,
now you know I'm blazing everything now now, Yeah, Yo,

(17:52):
were playing casino? You know why are you playing games? Broye? Yeah?
Now the next thing, you know, when I get to
the adults, that's when it really kind of popping. Now.
You know, I'm bumping into a few heads like me.
I bumped the ck one time in the bullpen, you

(18:12):
know what I'm saying. And when I bumped into him,
he's he's about he's about to get you know, jumped
by a bunch of dudes, and I had to go
and help him, yeah, saying him. Did you know him
at the time? Um? Did I know him? Yeah? I
think I didn't know him. Um, because he was with
me before and three blocks, you know what I'm saying. Yeah,

(18:35):
I try to but I try to tell people, Um,
he was with me before and three blocks. You know
what I'm saying. Oh, no, you're right. No, I didn't
know him at that time because we bumped again in
three block and then I went back to one beat.
So yes, you know what I'm saying. So I him
like that, but I know that that he was he

(18:55):
was flagging, so he was already blood. Yeah I believe
he was. Yeah, I believe he was. You know what
I'm saying, because I believe he was flagging, you know
what I'm saying. And this was like about April nineteen,
nineteen ninety five, you know what I'm saying. So we
we you know it's on im popping or whatever. Um

(19:18):
I helped him out in that situation. Then I went
to court and men mcgoul got into a situation with
um a dude that had came up from up north,
and he was telling you know what I'm saying, But um,
he ain't know you know, me and mcgoole. He was
in the next pen, you know what I'm saying. We
was laying down and heard him. We yeah, we overheard,

(19:40):
you know, we was because we were so quiet. The
lawyer ain't ain't bothered looking on and that the pen
next next to and talk to him. Yeah yeah, yeah,
there was people in there. He just they just started
kicking it over here listening mcgool We listening like, oh yo, Sun,
old world, that sun came down from north to tell

(20:01):
him to testify some dude, right right. It so happened
that that night, you know what I'm saying. I guess
something happened in the court or whatever. So we we wait,
we got on the bus and the bust was on
the highway. Because once the bus is on the highway,
you know what I'm saying, it's like they can't they
gotta they gotta get the bus to Rikers Island. They

(20:22):
can't stop the bus anywhere other than Riker's Island just
for security and ship. Yeah. So yeah, you know when
we bust, we you know, we ate him. You know
what I'm saying. Yeah, it was it was on the
problem because now you know we get back to the bang.
It was on from then on because they showing up,

(20:44):
because because the niggas showing up with one of the
one of the one of the other side injured. You
know what I'm saying. Did that play into wide wide
turned up even more? Yeah? Well see, you know what
made it turn up so much, what made it turn
them so much was now the people who didn't have
a voice, the people who didn't wasn't standing up, felt

(21:09):
the vibe, they felt the energy. But how so many
people were standing up? Now the war type change a
lot of people, Um, they missed construe the war with
with with as far was with the land kings and
all that that war was over by the time we
went up north, you know what I'm saying. So by

(21:31):
by like nine six, that war was over. Yeah, you
know what I'm saying. Yeah, that was because we was
now with with the coos. You know what I'm saying.
We were getting yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, So the impression
y'all be y'all was talking about, Yeah, that's the impression
right there, because now what was happening was they were

(21:53):
doing dudes dirty. They was running and due sell you
know what I'm saying, beating them down, you know what
I'm saying. Then there was fabricane reports. You know what
I'm saying, like like Dean do nothing right, I mean right,
and all of us that came from one bat. We
was on it. Like if you crack one cell and

(22:14):
you beat that in one cell, it's on popping. Now
you gotta crack every single other sound. And worldly he
got his food that, you know what I'm saying, He
got chopped, right, I'm he would be twenty four hour.
I would know, y'all. Nothing you stay right there, right right,
right right, or don't even give you a train you're

(22:36):
on wrong right. Because of that, Because of that mentality,
everybody pops, you know, what I'm saying. Yeah, put y'all
put the pressure on. Yeah, so now now now now
now now the beast, they the oppressors. They started to

(22:59):
be like, oh world, nah, they got these these dudes
here is different down here, so they don't want to
come down with that mess. They will go to the
other things, like they go to three blocks and and
and and five block and the other blocks. It was
those blocks and do those things. But they'll still come
down there to us thing trials when they really wanted
to act. They know, we're gonna go to one bet,

(23:21):
we're gonna crack. Somebody said, we're gonna jump and watch
they all gonna pop off like fires and all that.
It's gonna be on and pop it. Yeah. Times they
used to use that like a like a training guy,
like yo, you know what we're gonna do. They're gonna
mess with them down then one beat yeah yeah yeah,
and go live training live only only as down and

(23:43):
small fuckers. Yeah yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying,
because you know I ain't gonna live. Man, if it
was seven it's seven days in the week, it was
three days out the week. We got search downs and
every single time we gotta search down and popped off. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

(24:04):
because I've seen documentaries where you have you seen I'm
pretty sure you saw some of the documentaries and shit
about Rikers Island. Yeah, I've seen a little shit about it.
But what when you were there? Was there? Was there
ever someone shooting documentaries and shit? Or is that after
that or are they documenting that time where y'all was

(24:24):
in there or or what? Because they'd be talking about
a lot of violence and CEOs, cricket and see, let
me tell you something, because of the damage that was
going on back then, they didn't document the three years

(24:47):
that would have been their bread and butter, and that
would that would have that I would say, ninety four,
ninety five, and ninety six, Yeah, in a little bit
of nine seven. But if they would have been documenting
those years right there, then it would have been different.
You know what I'm saying we talked is when you
had the Zodiac Killer. Yeah, there's some big stories. Yeah,

(25:12):
you had to then you pop rapists, you had um
ad angel DA's rest in peace. Who um killed the
police officer in the bronx and then he hung himself,
um right next to me? Who? Yeah, fact damn you have. Yeah,

(25:33):
that's deep, that's heavy. That's what I'm saying. Like to
be able to go in prison, and I as why
I always say about my homeboard Larry returning Man, shout
out Larry turning ft. But to be able to, yes, sir,
to be able to go in that situation, in your
worst case scenario, because they gave him, They gave him life,

(25:54):
so it wasn't even nothing. He even he had to
accept the factor. This is it, you see what I'm saying.
And just like y'all to be able to accept the
fact that we in the war and we behind balls
and they throwing me because I'm gonna I'm imagining as
you eat niggas food, as y'all say up there down
here in the South, y'all know that mean he getting active,

(26:16):
so he grabbing a nigga and cutting this shit over.
You know what I'm saying. I need anybody to understand
what they mean. But when when when? When? When you're
doing that, I'm pretty sure the CEOs and the warden
they gotta address some of them because niggas is ending
up cut, you see what I'm saying, So by by
by then they throwing you win sales where you're in
the hole. I'm not sure if y'all call it the being.

(26:37):
I mean, what when they catch you and you cut
a nigga, y'all call it? What's that? Y'all call it
the being? Yeah, Rykers Island is the bank up north
as the shoe. What's the difference? Um, all right, so
North the difference, the difference between the Rykers Island is

(26:57):
like it got like three beings. But up North, every
every maximum prison has its own box. M you seem
you could be you could be stuck in Comstock box
or Southport box. Southport the whole jail, so they got
their own own each got their own like little little

(27:20):
house and set up for that. Yeah, that's a different
type thing, man, Yeah, it's it's it's a whole different
set up, you know what I'm saying. So like Southport
the whole Like I said, the whole jail is a
box except for I think two galleries as Cadrea. Other
than that is a box, you know what I'm saying.
So you're you're intermingling is very limited. It's only limited

(27:45):
to those that's around you. And until you get to
level three you're chained up you know what I'm saying.
So you're walking out yourself chained up, you're going into
the ship does something to the man man like to
even see. That's why I celebrate niggas that go in
and do a lot of time and then come out
and steal is wrapped at least okay, because man, that

(28:06):
shit is designed to break that ship down. You know
what I'm saying. You ain't no way they think you
still smiling at all the time. You know what I'm saying.
It ain't no way. It's designed for you to come
out smiling. You know what I'm saying. It ain't. It
ain't design It shit designed to tell motherfucker down, man,
you know what I mean. So so so let me
get back there so when you by the time you

(28:29):
get back up there after the ladin king shit is
over at that time, you banging now or did you
still ain't start banging yet? Now I'm banging now. It's
it's you know, I'm I'm billy now, you know what
I'm saying. So now I'm just um. Now, now I

(28:49):
got more of a of a cause to continue what
i'ver been doing, but on a on a higher level. Now,
you know, what I'm saying because I've been topping dudes.
You know what I mean. Um, I did my ship.
Let me tell you something. What's crazy about me. It's
like I was telling you before I grew up one
to play baseball. You know what I'm saying. I grew

(29:12):
up a sports dude. You know what I mean? You know,
I grew up like like my my parents didn't. I
grew up watching horror movies and all the other stuff.
But it's not like I grew up on basically like
boys in the hood, if that they when when I
what happened is that if you could come from a

(29:34):
you could come from a place that's really not that
bad bad, but once you in prison, you're amongst all
the bad. So you're in there at a young age
where you growing up, you're growing up with the back
with what the worst society, you know what I mean. Back,

(29:58):
So it doesn't even matter where you come. All of
y'all is now y'are old, because when y'all leave from
then and y'all go out, y'all all coming from the
same place, right saying, And you know, the brain is
designed to adapt, so it ain't. My brain ain't designed
to you know, wants a fighter, always a fighter. Sometimes

(30:21):
some ship can happen and they fight a flight kick on,
and you've been a fight out all this time. You
might strike out because or you might be in a
runner all this time and you might stay in your ground,
you know what I'm saying. So your it just depends
on what your mind is and instead of it adapts, man,
your shit adapts. So if I'm in here with niggas
that are cutting me, I better learn how to cut

(30:42):
me a motherfucker, you know what I'm saying. Or I'm
or I'm fool, or I'm just waiting to be a victim.
You know what I'm saying, real nigga shit, I'm waiting
to be a victim. And I ain't gonna sit around
and just be no sitting you know what I mean?
You bet not be so so at this time, at
this time with c K which you when when you
come back that goal, now go from there. When you

(31:02):
say the Latin Kingship was over, you got you came back.
Now it's against the CEOs. Now we're looking at the
CEOs like y'all got us fucked up. Y'all created a
situation where this particular part and this particular house ain't
going for the nonsense, but sometimes they do try. You
see what I'm saying. Now, where does the rest of
these niggas come in that like um like uh like

(31:27):
your killer calves and your your your soul be. I'm
not sure if you ran across him or any of
them mother niggas that was on the video with your
mad what's his name male or uh, what's the cross? Yeah?
Him male cross, or any of them niggas trying to

(31:47):
kind of integrate the stories of what people who know
who probably tuned in because what y'all, all of y'all
be having a probably pete game about it is these
fans on YouTube they connect all y'all the notch y'all
still doing work together. Not it's because how they was
introduced to y'all. You see what I'm saying. So so
if you remember, let's get into um. I know the

(32:11):
c K situation was he was in tour with some niggas.
You happened to be there at the same time and
ship went up, right, So what about what about some
of them mother niggas? How you run into them? Nigga?
Um kill keV I ran to Killer Kevin. And because
he came down to one Bat. You know what I'm saying.

(32:33):
He had came down there, he did about thirty days
down there with us, you know what I'm saying. And
I ran it to him. Now, you know what I'm saying,
We hick it because I'm from the East and he's
from the field. You know what I'm saying, so automatically
with with neighbors. Know what I'm saying, right right, right,
right right, Yeah, you take pick an Avenue, take you

(32:57):
from East New York all the way into Brown's. You
know what I'm right, right, So, so we used to
be kicking it back then, you know, and um, you
know he was, he was you know, he was rapping,
you know what I'm saying. And um being that he
was rapping, and he came down there and he was
down dead with us, which was the one Beef family.

(33:21):
So yeah, so we showed him love and everything. You know,
everything was good, everything was good money. You know what?
Where did it go wrong? With you and him? Because
I hear I hear so much shit, you know what
I'm saying. Of course I don't really get there. I
might see a topic and get two three, minutes of
it and get out of there. But what what where
did y'all ship? Even? What did the beef start? Man? Um?

(33:48):
Let me see I was started basically it was like
it was like you know, and like I would post
a video and after I would post a video, he
will come on after and then he will say something
and I'm like, yo, bro, whoa did I just get shot?

(34:12):
So he sneaked this? Is that what you're saying? Like
he will say some slick shit. It was like, yeah,
so kind of open the air ship. You don't know,
you know, it's kind of not the rick at me,
but but it sad to me and I know it's
that me and he know what's that me? Yeah? Exactly.
It was like that type of time. So you know,

(34:33):
after a while then from the sneak this and they
got to where we started going direct director and direct
hits at each other, you know what I'm saying. Um,
And then when the other people got involved, then that's
when it just extenuated it more and made it got

(34:54):
involved like a bunch of other other people, Like you
had other people that were making opinions on now they
see me and him is going at it. You have
these side, little podcasts on the side. You know what
I'm saying that they were You had your popcorns, you
had your rowdy radios, you had no ice called the yones,

(35:18):
you had you had a bunch of other podcasters. Now
their tike, they're making content out of around the beat,
out of the yeah, out of the drama. Because the
way it is, it's like boom um. Because me and
c K was talking about it this morning. It's like
you you on the cell block, and you know that

(35:39):
you're you're lockdown twenty three hours a day. You only
come out for the shower and you only come out
for the yard. Some people who have that mentality, what
that does to you when you still have that mentality
is that this sometimes you just want to spass out
on somebody, right, Right, Your man ain't the one that

(36:00):
he don't want to be spashed on, right, you know
what I'm saying, hear none of that. He ain't trying
to get to go there because he's not trying to
open those doors, right, you know. But it's just natural
for some people to do that sometimes. And then and
then you're now you're getting tight because it's out on
the internet. Now it's not being It's not like it's

(36:21):
something that's done like while you're chilling or something. It's
something that's done. Why yeah, where where you think the
folk give a The folk on the internet, they look
at that ship for a little while. They move on
from this ship. Now they keep braking it up in
videos and they'll act like they care. That's trolling. You
know what I'm saying. You gotta you gotta know how
to navigate around this ship, man, furst of all, I

(36:44):
don't letting the nigga tightle whoop me. Man y'all letting
the nigga whoop me by by by the title they video,
y'all better check what these nigga saying and check the
records and check the data they eat nigga lying the
nigga saying anything. So don't let the folk beat me
because they keep putting the astonishing titles on the video.
Even though I ain't got no pressure on the internet

(37:04):
because it's easy for me to handle. They can't talk
to me like that, and I'm ready to show what's
going on. I don't want to just back and forth
Internet talk with you. I'm gonna look talk. I'm gonna
talk to you the way you're talking to me. And
then I'm gonna show you why you shouldn't talk to
me that way. You see what I'm saying. And that's
all I'm doing is matching in a job twenty twenty.

(37:24):
But but but anyway, so so you saying the sneak
this isn't happened, um and basically you respond on the internet.
So now it's kind of like a schoolyard thing where
people said, oh he said this all he said that
about you, and now is getting it. It's getting crazy.
So so in both our heads now yeah, see what

(37:47):
I'm saying, Yes, getting hit, getting in minds right now?
Me I know better though, right, I know better. I
can't sit here and say don't no no, but yeah
but bubble like, I can't sit there and and take
take it either, you know what I'm saying. So and

(38:11):
then and then on top of that, cat, this is
a new space I'm still having try. It's like it's
like when I was sixteen years old and just that
finding what I thought was love. I'm this this is
new for my man, Internet and nigga saying threats and
shit online where it's it's it's uncharted for my mind,

(38:34):
so I may adapt, I may react crazy or something
right quick. I don't this nigga said this on the
internet about me. Man, I don't know. You know, my man,
It's just like with love, nigga. Look at you sixteen
years old? Man, why are you still with that girl?
She ain't never and you don't even know why? But
you you you unfamiliar with the feeling. You see what
I'm saying. So I'm you know, I'm just knowing because

(38:56):
I'm deal with baby Mama drumming and shit like it online.
I'm unfamiliar with somebody saying somethe lying about me. What
the fuck was that? And why are you lying? Or
why are you saying that? Or what's you know what
I'm saying? So sometimes people may get an impulsive reaction
out of motherfucker. You know what I'm saying. Why I'm
just responding right to the video? Fuck that I'm gonna lie, Nigga.

(39:18):
You got me, fucking nigga, don't you You know what
I'm saying, because that's what it is. You know what
I'm saying? So so um because I be hearing, I
hear I hear him say, you flat, what do we
be telling about when you say you flagging videos? What
is he talking about? All right, First of all, this
is how it goes. Now, there's a difference between the

(39:45):
streets and the business. So now if I got a
video and you take my video without my permission and
you just go and you just say, um, I'm gonna
I'm gonna do this and that and the third to it,

(40:06):
monetize it or whatever and do them dirty owner? Yeah?
WHOA hold up, broa number one? Number one? That's stealing? Yeah? Who.
It's called copyright infringement, right, you see them? So if
you steal somebody's worth, that's called copyright infringement. That ain't

(40:28):
got nothing to do with a person in the street
that it's selling code, dope, crack or whatever they're doing. Yeah,
because I see him try to tie it into like
you you you the pole leaves or some shit. You look.
You know how many people wouldn't say that that's that's ridiculous. No, no, no, no,

(40:52):
there ain't no police ship. You know what I'm saying,
A copyright strike means that you stole somebody's content, And
then I just talk to you about what a medium
uses worth. You know what I'm saying, depending on how
it's done, So like this is still you know what
I mean. I'm trying to get this paper over here,
you know what I'm saying. And so if that y'all

(41:13):
want to see that video, come high letting me about it.
That belonged to me bags. You know what I'm saying.
I can't go and take your content and say and
do whatever I want with it, right, you know what
I'm saying. That's your that's your material, that's your property.
You know what I'm saying. That's coming to your house
and you left the door open, and I just come
to your crib and I just take your chair out

(41:35):
of living role, you know what I'm saying, and boost
that should have freaking sit on it and do a
video like what. And you're supposed to be able to
use shit for fair use. But fair use is at
the discretion of the person who shit it is because
Joe Butten won't let me use this shit, you know
what I'm saying, Because I'm critical of it, So they

(41:57):
don't you know, they see my name attached to it. No, sure,
send the money this way, but I'm but this it's
just a lost leader for me. I take those videos
to do the best and and drive people to the
other content. You know what I'm saying. Regardless if I'm
getting pain hurting for that little money, I'm building something like,
I understand, it's the long game we want to play,

(42:17):
you know. But here's the thing that that was the
how I say, mitigating factor right now. Although I just
told you about the copyright strike and everybody agreed, there's
a difference between the streak and the business. So the
whole thing about it is the copyright strike that was
allegedly written or that was written. It's not even written

(42:40):
by me. It was somebody else that didn't know what
my last name was. They only knew what my first
name was, so they put my first name and they
put some crazy last name and they did the strike.
You know. So somebody so somebody written wrote something. Yeah,
what they did was they wrote, they wrote a complaint

(43:02):
to make the copyright strike. What I'm saying, thing that
they're stealing the material and whatever. I saw some other
craziness on there. But that was not written by me.
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, that was the person only knew
my first name and they didn't know my name. Yeah,

(43:24):
So it says Marcus Spellman on it. I'm saying I'm mighty.
I'm not yeah, yeah, yeah, need to cut it out now,
Who the hell is spell You know what I'm saying. Yeah,
you see. So at the end of the day, it
was all all for loneliness, for gazing shit. It wasn't

(43:45):
and that was authentic. So it only has um a
counter attack because I had went at him. Let me
see what I'm saying. So that was just that was
the only move that they had. I was always ahead,
I was away the head on the game. So they

(44:06):
didn't have that many moves, so they had to do
whatever they can and that was just one of them.
That happened to be one of the moves that they had.
You know what I'm saying, right, yeah, yeah, but yeah
so so yeah, so I mean, because like I say, man,
I see him say shit and then I get the thinking.

(44:26):
So when you come up in the nineties, is you
so what about to kash his gang? Is that? Is that?
What you know? When is that the same gang you win?
Or one of the how does that? Nah? Nah? Because
he was in um he was in some how you

(44:49):
say it um trade Wayne nine Tea. I'm gonna say
that he was in something that was that was h Offsprings.
So sort of like you know what I'm saying, basically
for music, you know what i mean. So, um, it's
like a black panther, right, a black panther represents so

(45:12):
many things. Right, So what they did was, you know
what I'm saying, since they they respected the non trade movement,
you know what I'm saying, they just went and named
it trade way, you know, and that that was the
name of their music. So what so what about their mother?

(45:33):
And was shot in them? Was real niggas wanted? Was they?
Was they kind of niggas? Was them? Was they real? Yeah?
They they rail? You no shout out, no salute to Shott,
salute to me. Yeah, they rail. You know what I'm saying. Um,
it just so happened that you know, I'm gonna say

(45:56):
that somewhere there was a loss of structure in their
music endeavors. Yeah, yeah, there was, there was, There was
there was There was a hole instructure, you know what
I'm saying. And a lot of times when you don't
see the hole while it was this small, you know

(46:16):
what I'm saying, you fall into hole when it gets
this big, you know, what I'm saying, and for me
looking at it from the outside, that's what I see happening. Yeah, yeah,
and go ahead, um Takashi six nine. I never looked
at him as there's a gang banger at all, you

(46:38):
know what I'm saying. I'm saying how jim Jones spoke
on him, you know, on a couple of them conversations
that was that was put out by you know, the
little trial thing, you know, just how he spoke he
it seemed like Jimmy had had a clear understanding of
it wasn't real, you know what I'm saying. But them
niggas man like I say, when you when you at

(46:59):
the bottom and you and you and you're struggling for
resources and he is providing some sort of resource. You know,
when when when the rear street nigga look at him
and really want to get hard on him because coach, coach,
I feel like I put you in position because some
people believe in you. And then there's another nigga that's
like nine, I can't let you do that because he's

(47:21):
more nicer to me than he is to you. So
he giving me a little bit more money than he
giving you. So and then you got two gangsters that
may be in tool with each other about the tools
and fuse that come out your plate. And then at
the end of the day, that boy was scared. Man,
That boy he was scared. Man. The little boy scared. Man.
He could play and asking thank yous out, but he's scared. Man.

(47:43):
The little dude is scared. You know what I'm saying.
My thing was, Um, this is I would have been
so that. Yeah, from day one I would have been
so that. You know, but we don't excuse rats. Let
me say that for you continue. I don't give the
fun high schedule is we don't excuse rats. Go ahead,

(48:03):
big Brown. Sometimes these internet people don't understand where you staying.
So when you say something, sometimes you gotta her upping
hold on though, because they're taking you know what I'm saying.
That's a fact, bro, Yeah it's a fact. But but yeah, yeah,
I you know, even when I remember I was sitting down, Um,

(48:25):
I was sitting down at the table plane um casino
with df Max right, so DA Maximum salute shout out
to Da Maximum DMX. He was in Nashville for while
doing an album. He downing here and now or was
down here before the verses started, so he shout out
DN mat facts. So me and him is playing um

(48:49):
casino and I'm hearing somebody's ear phones. It was mad
live and it was the first time I heard him rap.
I never knew who he was, never saw he looked like,
because you know, we don't get videos in jail, none
of that. We don't see you. Well, the spots I
was in, we didn't see I yet to see a video, right. Um.

(49:13):
So I was listening and I was listening, and I'm
and I'm over here and I'm seeing how people getting
hype around me. You know what I'm seeing listening to
the music and a like and um um, oh yeah
that's that young kid. Yeah, it's a young it's a
young Spanish kid. Man. You know what I'm saying. He
telling it right now. I was like work and I

(49:33):
asked my man, I said, let me get the ear
phone for a minute. Let me gotta let me hear.
Let me hear what some guy. And I was listening
to him and then I was selling. Um. I was
telling X, I'd say, yo, man, songs getting everybody hype
for no reason. He's just like everybody else in here,
stuck right right, Yo. He's like, he's like, he's in

(50:02):
your cab bag. He's like, yeah, you're crazy, yo, I say,
I can tell by the way he rapped. I said, Look,
the last time dudes was hyped like that? Who was
it that was hyped like that? You know what I'm saying.
In the nineties, you don't remember Onyx shows from up there?

(50:26):
Should what that same type vine show show? And they
had the issues. Um, they had the issues, but they
looking real bad. You know what I'm saying, Well, we
don't know nothing what happened. Um, because one they one
of them went up there and tried to act hard

(50:48):
on Charlott Mane. See then why if they you know
what I'm saying, shut out Charlottmagne, you know what I mean.
But you know that he kind of got that they
were Fred Joe Star one of them names. He kind
of ain't rough with Charlemagne a little bit. But so
so tell me how how they done? How they done
with Charlomagne. I'm thinking even a cold hard gangsters man. Nah,

(51:12):
bro let me tell you something, man um. And this goes,
this goes for a lot of this goes for a
lot of heads that I've seen with that hype ship.
You know what I'm saying, and things of why I
knew Takashi was was not was not right. The harder
you try, the harder you try to be something so significant,

(51:37):
the more exposure you give your to those things of
you that are insignificant, you look funny in the light.
Exactly when I was the Yo, I'm telling you, man,
I'm telling X something like, Yo, Bro, I'm telling he's
just like these other dudes in here, because the way

(51:57):
I was looking at it, the way like the how
I said I was in I used to be tight
because I used to be like Yo, half of these
dudes in here, the way they live in the Lucky
Jail is the way it is not because if not,
I'll be running down on all these dudes in here.
They we have to pay me, yeah yeah yeah yeah
yeah yeah. Still I can't be on that type of

(52:20):
time because now they have these laws where they protect
them and this happening. Yeah you know, I I'm over
here like all it's so good. You know what I'm saying.
But that's why I was telling them. That's what I
was telling X. I said, Yo, let me tell you something, man,
I do wrap him right head. You know what I'm saying,

(52:41):
He's just like these other dudes in here. That's why
he was laughing because he knew how he knew how
miserable I was. Yeah. I wasn't able to do the
things that I wanted to do because that jail's so different.
Yeah yeah, yeah, ta Kasha said on that little Beer
Boys shit that he uh he talked to DM mixing

(53:07):
when he was locked up, and basically DM Mix told
him to snitch. Nah, I say, man, I'm telling I
can play it for you. I'm talking about he I'm
talking about the boy. Say man, I talked the d
MM before I read it. Man, Man, DMX told me
do what I need to do, gonna tell, I said, Nah,

(53:28):
DM Mix stiff man, you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
Max didn't makes it and tell nothing like that. Man. Yeah, yeah,
I can see DN makes telling him, Yo, you gotta
do what you gotta do. Yeah, but not like in
the direction of go tell right, he probably didn't. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Yo,

(53:52):
you groom, man, you gotta make a decision, you know. Man,
that way, it's on you, my boy. That's whatever you're
doing as you're bidding, you know, but see what you
gotta think. But see, I'm gonna tell you what a
trick come in that dog, because Takashia takes something like that,

(54:12):
Twist that and use that and say what DM mix.
You know, you see what I'm saying because he played
the Internet game. You know what I'm saying, Like he
doing that, he said the donna be a ball, So
he basically it's probably allegedly misrepresenting what DM Mex said
to him. You see what I'm saying, because he's saying, now,

(54:33):
don't believe that. Well, guess what his his his his
one game. I'm about to show you now because you've
been showing me a lot of games. But take this
one right here. So we all know that when someone's
trying to come up on like let's say you two right,
somebody's trying to come up, they're gonna cloud takes. They're

(54:57):
gonna go in and talk shit and and do all
types with the person that's up there right right right right,
gonna it's gonna it's gonna bring their name out already
right right, And see how about it. The person that's
doing that already got a name, and then he brings

(55:18):
up of the name of somebody that got a name.
It's more pressure as more and more people. So so
you know what that that's called, Like what they saying hollow,
that's doubling up. So that's what he's doing. He doubled
up because and then you know what, like I said,
I said this on my podcast too, is that you

(55:38):
gotta really look at two Coastius six nine and look
at what he's doing because he read the game Don
Black bought him. So it's only so long he gonna
he gonna last the way he's doing it now, it's
only so long. He might be a slow death. But
you're gonna get out of the music being they're gonna
push you out of the music billing it. But when
he drops, see this is a thing. He getting no publicity,

(56:00):
so we gotta attach itself to look dirt or drake
or say this wild shit about you know, Nicki Minaj
ain't have a number one or some of this wild
shit because that's the only way they have put him
in press complex and cover the fact that you said
Nicki never had a number one, because it's more about
Nikki and less about Takashi six nine. You see what

(56:20):
I'm saying. So he kind of understanding and able to
say little shit knowing somebody gonna grab this and talk
about it, even real niggas like me. He got me,
I'll be talking about certain shitty doing because it's less
about him and more about the other side, you know,
dealing with Look Dirk and this and they did people.

(56:41):
It's more for me to get the message out to
the young niggas about don't take this as a joke,
don't take disrespect as a game. You understand what I'm
saying and advanced the conversation. But it's important for us
to do that. But yeah, that that makes sense because
when he said that, I was like, man, he said
them mix DN magazine tell him shit like that. I'm

(57:03):
gonna tell you because me. Let me tell you. Me
and d M Max spend months together, you know what
I'm saying. We had We had the ill the Ill crew,
the ill paint crew. It was me and him John
Gotty's grandson. Um, that's all. And it was it was
me and him John Gotty's grandson. Uh, and my other

(57:25):
man live Live Brown, right, Yeah, salute Blue to Live Brown.
So uh, we had the ill paint crew. So and
he was in my house. So we we we used
to you know what I'm saying, we used to kick
it all the time. That that's not his type of vibe.
Right right when he came in, so I can scool

(57:49):
you on game on X. When X came in, right,
I already knew he was coming upstairs because the police,
you know, me and the police was we we had
an understanding, should I say, right came up, your ex
is coming up here. I said, y'all gonna need an
extra blanket and stuff. Boom boom. He already been brought
it for me before X came up. When X came up,

(58:12):
you know what I'm saying, he ain't had nothing, you
know what I'm saying, So I gave him blankets. Fool.
I looked out for him, knowing that he don't need it.
But but anybody don't matter how much money they got,
anybody's gonna need somebody in the beginning until you get
all your shit straight. I'm saying, Hey, yeah, when he

(58:33):
came you know, I hooked him up or whatever. You
know what I'm saying. And he, you know what I'm saying.
It was a type of a person that if he
sees something going on, he'll walk away. He don't know nothing, right,
you know what I'm saying. He wasn't a type that
wasn't talkative type of dude. Yeah. Still, and he saw

(58:53):
some you know what I'm saying. He saw dudes fighting
in the bathroom. He saw dudes all types of ship
and he never said nothing. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
He was right there. He was right. I was right there.
X you know, Oh, can't go in there right now.
Oh okay, you know what I'm saying. Dude's up in
that thumping boo. He ain't say He'll go downstairs or

(59:15):
whatever and chill downstairs for a little while. Everything looks
he'll come back upstairs. Chiller, Chiller's bump, watch TV. You
know what I'm saying. He was just just what we're
calling the South. He jeling, you know, he just facts.
He wasn't the type of dude that be like yo, um,
trying to tell somebody to make a decision. Period. He's

(59:36):
try to dude that. Oh man, you know it's up
to you. Man, you know what I mean, because he
is up to you. You understand what I'm saying. It
is up to you. Fucking you talking about But again,
we understand what Takashi is trying to do. He trying
to attach yourself to people who people don't mind covering
so he can still keep his little shit going on.

(59:57):
You know what I'm saying, He's trying double love. You
know what I'm saying because he knows and I said,
this is a long time ago. If you look at
my videos from months ago. Yeah, I was saying him
before he came home. I was saying that he gonna
get a little run for about a year or two,
and after that, that's a round black moll. He listened,
the nigga dropped that shit. Ain't no nothing like, no

(01:00:19):
front page, no new music, no nothing. They is. They
racing you out the game bro number one. You win
that beer board and shit, and you rad it. You're
doing too much. Yea out of here, buddy, y'a out
of here, y'a out of here. You better tell that
nigga that got the money that's behind you, that big
nigga that whoever Grange or I can't thank his name,

(01:00:42):
you better tell him he gonna have to come out
and pour some strings if he wants you to get
some because they ain't fucking with it. Man, None of
the dspeeds ain't putting that ship nowhere. You don't get
no traction by just by sake of somebody, oh not out.
They gotta come look for you and type you in nigga,
and that's you don't want that in the new streaming

(01:01:03):
the area, is it? It's almost like in the record store,
are or the top shelf or whatever was the first
I ain't niggas look at the shelf soon as you
come in, you know what I'm saying. That's kind of
like the front page of Apple now, And it's important
for you if you're an artist with that much marketing
and promotion budget inside of your shit that you was

(01:01:23):
that you on the morning the front pages, you know
what I'm saying. And like he's like he said about Drake,
Drake got security, man, why is they covering that? Nigga?
Drake got more money than you. Drake is more important
than you. Nigga. You ain't on Drake level. What are
we talking about him? Boy? The nick got two three
hundred million dollars mansion. Honey, million dollar mansion. You're talking

(01:01:45):
about You was at a house that had a little
bit of a little bit of back porch and the
girl saw you from her house. Shouldn't he Potter be
able to be that close to you? Nigga? They ain't
even that close to me. You see what I'm saying,
Why are you out? Are so what? She can even
put you on Cameron? You and you comparing your money
to Drake Drake having on the bulletproof vest in Chicago

(01:02:06):
ain't even the same thing, you know what I'm saying.
So it's just it's a It's a simple thing. So
now what I want to get into, man, is further
of all we're gonna get getting the queens flip a
little bit. How did you meet queens? Flip? How did
you get on that platform? Um? It was crazy because

(01:02:27):
what happened was Um before I went on the platform
the day before that day, I just got in contact
with um kill a Cava. I believe it was because
I was listening to K's podcast and I heard them

(01:02:47):
in the background exchanging numbers. I remember, I ain't seen
none of these dudes like over two decades. Yeah, So
when did y'all ball way Sinia was doing time together?
What happened where it did like that? Did niggas get
out of jail? And or what what now? Um, I'm

(01:03:09):
killing keV left he went up north. We never bumped
into jail again because I was stuck in the box
for about five years of North. You know what I'm saying.
So by time I got by the time I got
out the spots that I went through, because I did
a total of five six seven nine years, nine years

(01:03:33):
in the box. And let me get from my people
that's watching, how many years did you do totally? Um?
I did from ninety two to two thousand and seven,

(01:03:56):
and then I just did another. I just did another.
Um how many years I did? About seventeen years. Nigga,
I gotta niggas like you to see you looking good.
You still gotta damn it well put together, you understand, nigga.

(01:04:18):
You one of our warriors. Nigga Like, it's what this
is when you see a nigga go in like man
about something and come out man and still a well
putting Because that ship crushed niggas. Man, I know, niggas,
that was big homies. Ogs. They go in and come
out and now they're on the side of the road
and they can't never get back right. And you know
what I'm saying. I ain't bullshit really, and that listen,

(01:04:42):
it's good to better see you able to laugh at
that ship because they meant to break it. That shit
ain't meant for no nigga to get out and be
laughing and working and saying, yeah, I'm back out here.
So I'll tell you it's funny that you say that
because I went on Rikers Island in two thousand and twelve.

(01:05:03):
And when I went to Rikers Island two thousand and twelve,
I sold my man that I was up up north
with And at first I passed him, you know, going
to my my bed, and I'm like, hold up. I'm like, yo,
yo yo pop, that's sho shine yo. Yeah, all all
his ship was white. He was looking crazy. I said, yo, bro,

(01:05:25):
what happened? Bro? And he's looking at me and he's
getting tight because he's like, yo, bro, I'm still the same.
You don't age or something? Man? Yeah, I'm like, don't.
It's not about whether our age is how how why
did you age so much? Then gave up and then
and then uh he you know, he didn't talk to

(01:05:47):
me no more after that. I yeah, because they boy
niggas don't like it. But the truth, Hey, listen, I
don't get fucking nigga. The truth is the truth. No,
I didn't. I didn't mean it. I didn't mean it
in solom or anything. It's just that I was bugging out, like, bro,
what the hell happened to you? Bro? They don't broke

(01:06:10):
it me. They don't broke him down. So you know
what I'm saying, like like he didn't kish Yeah shin'
it's meant to do that though, So it's good. It's
good to see you, see you doing that. So you

(01:06:32):
say you you heard them exchange your number? And what happened?
So when they exchanged numbers, um, I called, and then
you know, I got in contact with cav or whatever.
We started kicking it. And then from then the next day,
I just packed up whatever, packed up some stuff in

(01:06:53):
the book bag, and I went out there to go
check him. It just so happens that they're going up
to some to some podcasts called Queen's Flip. I don't
know what. I'm like, what the hell is that? That's
that podcast that you was on. He was like, yeah, Yo,
you gotta come with us. I was like, I We'll

(01:07:16):
be doing over there. What they got full drinks? You
know what I'm saying. What they got was nah, bro yo,
this is this is that ship? You know what I'm saying. Yeah,
So I'm not thinking it serious because I'm not really
knowing the magnitude of it or not know what I'm saying.
Let me go up there with these things. Bug you know,
I'm gonna go get a bottle. You know what I'm saying,
Get a bottle or handy. You know what I'm saying.

(01:07:38):
Get right, go up up there, bug out with him.
You know what I'm saying. Sounds you know what I'm saying,
and keep it right. But it just so happens that,
you know, when we you know, we we get our
drink on or whatever and we go there, and when
we go there, you know what I'm saying, it's, um,

(01:07:59):
I see the that is the atmosphere is a little
bit different, you know what I'm saying, because it's more
of a professional setting. That Queen Slip got over there
and that in Manhattan or whatever. So you know, I
met I met him, and you know, we shook hands
or whatever. We started talking and he was like, oh
you wild can't Yeah, man, I'll be hanging a lot

(01:08:20):
about you, you know, what I'm saying, and um, from
then on, you know what I'm saying. I sat there
with them, not even knowing that, you know what I'm saying.
I was even gonna speak. I thought I was just
gonna stand chill, you know what I'm saying, and get
my drink on. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, I'm
sitting there. I'm not even knowing I'm on camera with

(01:08:41):
about bottle on my lap and all that. I'm like, oh, yeah,
I remember somebody. I remember after that, somebody tried to
say something. But you know what I what I think too, man,
is um Queen's flip he y'all big, y'all, y'all, y'all,
y'all gave him a second win, really his biggest win.
And y'all, y'all put people up on that ship. Man,

(01:09:02):
that blood shit that it did something over there for
that dude. You know what I'm saying. If it weren't
for that, he wouldn't have that, he wouldn't have that
that energy surrounding U. Flip the script podcast, y'all brought
that energy, and it was he got. He got lucky
because the soul beating Nigga kept bringing niggas, you know

(01:09:27):
what I'm saying. See, and it kept that energy for
a minute and kind of stamped what this platform was
kind of like, oh, this is a cool platform type shit,
you know what I'm saying. So I think he always
owe y'all, Niggas looks over there interview certain shit, you
know what I'm saying. But according to him, on those interviews,
he was saying, there was a lot happening behind the scenes.

(01:09:49):
You know, I ain't gonna post this because Niggas was
looking bad or what was he talking about? Do you
do you remember? Um? Basically what he's talking about was
like all the arguments it was. It was you know,
you had you had you had people arguing back and forth,
you know what I mean. C K and Stas was arguing.

(01:10:13):
They was going back and forth, back and part though,
and we've finn't get into it. We're gonna watch a
little bit of and kind of I just want to
know the vibrations in the building when you was there
and some of that shitty were talking about. But anyway,
the fundest part that I've seen when I looked a
few minutes ago was that Niggah stack Stone is his name.

(01:10:35):
I think is that his name? Yeah, that nigga Hollo
outs something about what behold up though, But before that,
we was this, this, this and this and your boy
c K. Your boy c K holler negative and then
Killer Cal from the kitchen holler facts right, So stack

(01:10:56):
Stone thinking, yeah, they Killer Cal gonna tell you, but
Killer Care were really on c K side. So it
was jed funny to see him saying, and I'm knocking
you out after this small fucking interview. Man, I said,
who ain't talking to Liken? They let niggas talk to
him like can Man, you don't talk to no nigga

(01:11:18):
like it. Man, you don't talking to like it. Man,
I'm gonna knock you Why nigga, you know they're recording.
You're just gonna. I'm gonna knock you out me Like,
what are we going? Oh man here just gonna I'm
gonna knock you out. Man, it ain't even gonna be
no fight it what you're telling me. We ain't even gonna.
It ain't gonna be. We ain't gonna get the It's

(01:11:40):
gonna be you just coming over he and just Finn
to do me. Man. You niggas is so the energy
that was like something going on behind the scenes, so
that I'm trying to ask you what was what was it? Dude? Nah,
dudes are argument man. They were just arguing. Was it
drunk buddy? Was it really shit? It was a bunch

(01:12:02):
of drunk arguing. Um, it had a little bit of
real shit in it, you know what I'm saying, But
it was mostly drunk shit. What happens is that when
you're drunk, you take the littlest thing and you turn
it into a big thing, you know what I'm saying.
But they're not consciously aware what your you know what

(01:12:22):
I'm saying. So you know, with them drinking like that,
and no, sax Stone slipped, you know, he slipped right there.
He said some craziness. You know, when he said official
or not was Now that was wrong when he said,
you know what I'm saying, it didn't. It wasn't an
l gang you know. Um. But the whole thing about

(01:12:45):
it was that, you know, you know it's a mistake
he made. Yes, we we You know, people are very
critical of mistakes, especially when you you're banging. You ain't
supposed to be making. Yeah, but I'm saying, if if
it's a violation of being had on terms of conditions
of the family, then you need to just gone hit me.

(01:13:07):
Don't go to flexing on me if we're gonna if
we're gonna get into a gon hand to your business though.
But that's a flex though. Yeah, yeah, that's a little
bit more proudly. Yeah. They were just arguing if queens
Flip would have put the whole thing on all, you

(01:13:28):
would have sold with a bunch of argument, a bunch
of dudes getting in between like nah, no, man, stop y'all. Yeah,
like y'all, y'all need to chill out. Man, y'all slow
down with that. You know what I'm saying stuff like that.
You know you're not gonna see the really like, oh,
nobody exchanged fistics and bunch of nah you ain't gonna

(01:13:50):
see none of that, or you're gonna see is a
bunch of argument. I'm gonna tell you what me me
that when they started arguing that was putting need to sleep,
you know what I'm saying, because I'm already I'm already.
So I'm I just drunk. I just drunk that hole
doing the heavy and I'm sitting there. I'm like, yeah,

(01:14:12):
I'm already twisted. You know, I'm ready just to and
y'all and your oldest vibration and noises, y'all putting me
to sleep right now. It ain't nobody ain't doing them
but watching a bunch of niggas talking. That's what I'm saying.
I don't want to hear out that I'm gonna knock
you out. Nigga, come knock me the fuck out, because

(01:14:32):
I ain't gonna hear you I'm gonna knock you out.
I'm gonna come over and try to do it. You
know what I'm saying. Nothing, he wouldn't do it. I'm
not saying that. I'm just saying, you know, it was
it was so funny that it happened, Like yeah, I
was like, man, that shit crazy. We're gonna look at
a little bit of the interview and kind of just
walked through it, man and see you know what was

(01:14:53):
going on. Did you ever have any issue with with
um with um queens flip up y'all, ever have anyone
of them Internet Final Lives? I've seen a couple of nigga.
I've seen c K go at him before, you know
what I'm saying or whatever, like nigga, you ain't keeping
it real or some shit. No, I'm like me, Me
and Queen's Flip. Now, we didn't we didn't have UM.

(01:15:15):
We had a couple of misunderstandings at one time, you know,
but that but I blame it not on queens Flip,
but people that were in his ear at the time.
You know. Um I made certain I said certain things
and then he um would hit me up, like yo, cat,
what's going on? Why are you seeing this? But you know,

(01:15:35):
it was stuff like that. But it was like we're
at the end of the day. We'll talk it out
or whatever and then everything will go regular again. You
know what I'm saying. You gotta what you gotta know
about these internet and niggas and especially nigga with the following.
They talk it out with you, and that's for you
to chill. They probably still never fuck with a nigga again.
You know what I'm saying. They kind of they just

(01:15:59):
want to kind of muscle you because you kicking dust
up out there. You know what I'm saying. But you ain't.
You ain't working with me. You ain't introducing me to
caffeine or nothing to give me. No chick, I do
the same thing you do what we're doing. Somebody need
to figure something out. If we were niggas and I
blessed your I blessed your platform. Nigga before that, I

(01:16:19):
watched it before before that, what was y'all doing. Y'all
were pulling wall, don't each other? Smacking each other? Tina
mess putting his hand in an empty box and ship shampoo,
an old nigga on that slip kind of you know,
he fund it, but it's it ain't it ain't. He
ain't grabbing none for real. You know, it's a ceiling
of that ship. But what happened was he got that.

(01:16:40):
I think it might be that soul beating nigga. I'm
gonna have to interview that nigga. To His story is great,
but I think he kept Oh this is another gangster
nigga got out man boy two months ago. It's another
gangster nigga right here. You know it's a gangster nigga.
Man nigga done twenty years. Oh, he was part of
the bloods. He was now let on his platform. It

(01:17:02):
gave him something that lasts way longer than two hours conversation.
You know what I'm saying. He knew that that game
is not to be debated, nigga. Never debate that. You
can't debate what I'm saying. I know what I'm talking about.
You know what I mean. But um, so your relationship
with what's your relationship with everybody that that that was
on this right here right here now? I mean, you know,

(01:17:29):
all of us, all of us is good, you know
what I mean. I talked to Stacks in then m mal.
I just spoke to Mel the other day. Me and
Mel was good. CC just so to speak ck this morning. No,
he hit me up this morning before I went to work.
You know what I'm saying. So, UM, you know I

(01:17:49):
tell I try to tell people that you know what
I'm saying, People go at it. You know what I'm saying. Um,
especially us, our energy is just different when it comes
to um, a normal person. Our energy is different. I'm
gonna tell you why. UM. For example, our energy is
to take where we're so used to action and being

(01:18:10):
spontaneous that sometimes you know, people do things as spontaneous
um times without even knowing, right because you just used
to last you know, you used to doing this, and
what happens is that now what's happening is that you're
doing it on the internet. Yeah, because it's so people

(01:18:35):
on the internet is looking at it like, oh, you
know what I'm saying, Oh oh, he's going at it
boom and now in a way, you know what I'm saying,
it says check this out. In a way it says, um, Okay,
we still have some type of relationship, but you're forgetting
how we used to do things. You're forgetting how we

(01:18:57):
used to be on it like this, right and yo,
and yo, man, you ain't you ain't busting nothing in
about five months. Man, you never ever, nigga, your your
gun is melting like a candle. Yeah, in yourself, like yeah,
what are you talking to like that? Bro? What do
you mean my you know what I'm saying. And he
being himself laughing, you know what I'm saying, But you

(01:19:21):
being yourself, you're tight, you know what I'm saying. You're
mad as fuck. You ready to go through the wall
and beat his ass. Right, But he's over there laughing,
because what it happens is that when you do so
much box time, you know what I'm saying, and you're
twenty three hours a day in in the same unit

(01:19:42):
with the with you know, there's times where you don't
want to read a book. There's times where you just
got so much built in stress and and and you
know that you just start something, you play chests on purpose,
and right right, right right, try to crank something, and
you ain't had no peace there? Man, why are you lying?

(01:20:03):
You know what you mean? I ain't stop lying, bro,
And then the boom who will start arguing? Yeah, people
be like, oh man, them too, gonna go at it
now on the on the on the typical, on the
typical circumstance. Yeah, but because we are all people of
similar characteristics, we we clash. And then me, I'm a

(01:20:30):
type of dude that I'm really big on the truth,
right because to me, the truth you need. It's like
I said the other day. If I walk into a
pyramid right with a cannon spray paint and I write
my name over the hieroglyphics that's on the wall, right,
I just distorted the original meaning. Oh yeah, yeah, people

(01:20:59):
are gonna see it's wildcat. You see these all the wildcasts.
So now I'm leading the way without them knowing the
historical value of what they're missing what I'm saying. So
I tell this is the reason why they see me
SPADs out. Sometimes I'd be like, no, no, no no, no,

(01:21:20):
I'm not letting nobody lie, because one lie equals one
piece of history. Right, Look look at the Bible. You
know there's a bunch of missing books out of the Bible, right,
and you know some of you got the Book of Barnabus.
You got a bunch of books that's that's supposed to

(01:21:41):
be in the Bible, is that they're not there. They
were missing. I was just talking to my home about
that today. Man. That's crazy. Yeah, a lot of missing
book You got all these missing books. So if you
distort history by fabricating it with a lie because you
want to use it for cloud the cloud for the

(01:22:03):
present moment, you're actually being selfish because maybe you might
gain who knows, maybe views, maybe money, maybe endorsements, you
might gain whatever you're gonna gain out of that. Yeah,
but that term for yes, And it's just showing this
life just supposed to be life long exactly. You know

(01:22:25):
what I'm saying. Those things need to be preserved. Right.
That's why y'all was up there because sometimes from the outside, man,
everybody's not really invested in a show, and so they
only get to see clips like me. Sometimes I haven't
solved it all they've entire shows, but the clips I've saw,

(01:22:46):
it seemed that there was some discrepancy about who put
work in who didn't. You know, Nie, you never put
no work in for real, or yeah you put some
work in. Now he put work in, you know what
I'm saying. So it was just like a game stop.
You know what I'm saying, don't leave with that if
that ain't really what it is, you know what I mean. Yeah,

(01:23:06):
because what happened was you know that That's another one
of the arguments you would see down there in the box.
You know what I'm saying. Um, I remember when Um
Blue Boy and Larry Davis. You know what I'm saying,
Rest in peace, Larry Davis. I remember when they was
in Um Calm Stop and they they was on the

(01:23:29):
gate going back and forth, you know, throwing the frank
at each other this day and I and I was
saying to myself, these are two stand up dudes, man,
and they throwing franks at each other. It's gonna be
on in popping, right. And what I'm saying, whenever they bumped,
it's gonna be on in popping there it goes year
years later, Blue Boy ends up killing Larry Davis. You

(01:23:50):
see what I'm saying. Yeah, but they ba be for
a long time. So you know, I say that to
say this. You know, some people are going to be
authentic and some people are not. The things that we
go through all examples that forever tattoo us in our characteristics.

(01:24:12):
You see what I'm saying. So when we're walking around,
the way we act is because it's a tattoo of
where we come from. Yeah, So my thing is, you
we gotta preserve the truth about things because the minute
it gets distorted, the distorter gets to change the game.

(01:24:35):
And if you allow that to happen, then you just
threw away everything that was built. You just took up,
took the whole house and just let it on fire
and said now I'm put a TP here when you
had to break out right right, And you gotta think
whatever said and and and not disputed, it is the truth,

(01:24:56):
you know what I'm saying. So when niggas up, when
nig it is going to say all this shit and
ain't nobody saying And that's why you know, from the outside,
you see these clips and you really don't know. You're like, okay,
so who's done what and what the fuck is going on?
And then on this side you got everybody telling their story.
But then on this side, you gotta like speaking up

(01:25:18):
to Kasha. You gotta nigga like snow billet that's saying, ship,
what's up with the snow billeting there? Um, you know
it's crazy. I didn't know anything about snow Billy until
I came on the internet. You know that's crazy. If
is he on the same line as you? Is it
he supposed to be, don't he supposed to be part

(01:25:39):
of the same situation? Nah? Okay, No, But you know, um,
I see, you know I met him. We spoke before
I spoke with him one time on I think it
was a Bullets Gotti show. I was on there. He
came on there. You know what I mean. We had
a little small talk and that was it. You know

(01:26:00):
what I'm saying. Yeah, I know I met him on
the internet. You know I clashed him. Yeah, I clashed
with him one time. Um, defending defending the bros. You
know what I'm saying. But you know I don't. Yeah, okay,
that's what they was. Yeah, Okay, that's what they was

(01:26:20):
so then. But but I noticed that first. I think
he was saying, you was the only nigga that was straight. Yeah. Yeah,
Um he still says it now. Um what happened was
in the middle. Yeah, I was defending other people, um,
because he was going at him and whatever. Yeah. Then
you know he saw that the same people I was defending,

(01:26:42):
now I'm gonna at it with them. So you know, Um,
he took an understanding the same way I took an
understanding that he really never disrespected me. He gave me
my props or whatever. So um he did what he
did or um, you know, it is what it is.
And you know I'm on this side of the line,

(01:27:02):
and he's on that side of the line. Know what
I'm saying hundred percent, We're gonna we're gonna look at
a little bit of this interview, man and just see
just high walls that day, man, because like I say, man,
it was just funny energy. That motherfucker. Man. It was
just seem like it was some funny energy. Man. Let's
see how long mister EBI could killer aka who that

(01:27:26):
be a k A forgot never forget who never who
that never forget one next. Yeah, um, all right, what's up?
I'm stacked stone, um blood stone feelain rocks in the air. Baby,

(01:27:49):
we got here. Man, you know what I'm saying. But
unless they call me og wildcat now straight and I'm
saying the billy will knock your ass. Silly man, I'm
each ship preach. That's a fact who you be beloved?
You know, ain't no man man East time Side. You know,

(01:28:15):
I'm like Mayor Cross started with you. They said that
one of the high ranks in New York high rink
of what check out the c K the highest rink
of fact check him? What is it? You mean? The
only person higher than me right now is hell raising.
He got that by the fun because there was a

(01:28:36):
discrepancy under me. Has to be Wildcat Mayl Cross kill
a calf. I'm with people who put them. See, this
is the thing. He skipped right over that digger right there.
That's what the proceeds. That's the end of Jim tom Back.
It was. It seemed like it was a little bit

(01:28:56):
of smoke in that motherfucker. Man, how you gonna I'm
in the middle. We just we are supposed to be
in this smatherfucking game. Wild cat, I'm looking like I'm
gonna tell you what happened? Right? Um when when uh?

(01:29:19):
When when he said that, you know, uh you see me?
I go like this, I'm like, yeah, yeah, I tell you.
Do you start being like hey, you go with the
ya because I'm saying to myself, I'm like, you know,
and one part of me saying is this like like
like CBS or or Channel eleven or something like, am

(01:29:42):
I am I own some big shit right now? Did
he just say what? I think? He just? Oh shit, bro? Yeah,
I'm saying to myself, I'm like, yo, bro, you ain't
you don't know the game? Yeah, you don't know the
YouTube game, none of that. I don't know not And
I just I just I just re encounter with the brothers,

(01:30:04):
you know, after two decades and this is the next day.
And then on top of that, you know what I'm saying,
I'm and then I'm telling me how serious it is.
And I got the honey bottle all on my lap.
You know what I'm saying. I throw him over here,
like yo, bro, like you know, because afterwards I said,
y'all said, yo, bro, what are you gonna say? All

(01:30:25):
that crazy? You know? But he he was telling me
the game, my guests, and the game was, you know,
to to build, to build from there or whatever. But me,
I I was over here, like, bro, I'm not coming
over here the freestyle, bro, do something. I'm not doing
none of that. Yeah, I'm not doing none of that.

(01:30:48):
You know what I'm saying. I don't get done with that.
I said, Yo, listen, man, I'm the type of nigga
if I shiited my pants and I come around you,
you smell shit, I'm gonna be like, yo, bro, it's me,
I gotta go. You know what I'm saying. I'm not
gonna go. I'm not gonna say yo yo yo, bro,
you father something strong? Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
right right right right right. Everybody. You can say that

(01:31:11):
I'm shitty draws today, but tomorrow you're gonna call me
mister clean. The worry about it, you know, yeah yeah
yeah yeah, But but I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna
tell you I'm not I'm not with the Lions. Shit.
I'd rather tell the truth and even like that, yeah,
you know, because to me, the truth is good for me.
You know what I'm saying. I don't put it in

(01:31:32):
extra work you know what I'm saying, I got notable
hits on notable people. You know, people that you know
that a notorious Yeah, I don't know, like the Zodiac Killer.
I got him, you know, killer nigga? What end up

(01:31:53):
happening with that man? What happened was? And for those
for those that are listening, and there was two Zodiac Killers.
There was one from San Francisco that they never caught,
and then this Zodiac Killer was from New York. He
happened to be from my neighborhood, which was crazy. Yeah,
but you know, now, I remember when I came to

(01:32:13):
the unit. You know what I'm saying, He wouldn't ask
me what was my sign? You know what I mean?
Like so so here Zodiac killer? Yeah he What you're
saying is, yeah, he asked me my sign when I
came in. So you're telling me if I ain't the
right saying, you feel hand of your bigness or what? What?

(01:32:35):
What is he saying? I mean that's what he was
doing in the street like it? Yeah, so we are jail. Yeah,
hold on, let's back up a little bit because this
is about to get good about that? So you tell
so kind of give my audience or people that's watching,
because I don't want to assume that they know. They
may be eighteen not even know what was the Zodiac
Killer and what was he in jail? Fuck? Um the

(01:32:59):
Zodiac Killer was a copycat of the San Francisco Zodiac Killer.
Um he was in jail for he he he killed
people according to the zodiac. The zodiac sign. So he
walked up on you and asked a woman or man

(01:33:19):
what you're saying. She might say, I'm I'm a Leo,
and he'll blow her brains out if he's looking forward,
Council Na. The way he used to do it was
he used to look up on the sky and something
about the stars used to tell him that it's a
knife for him to kill. So then what he would
do is he'll go and catch a random person and

(01:33:39):
he'll either blow their brains out or stab him or
you know, or strangle them, will do whatever he gotta do.
I'm saying, how would he know the zodiac sign? Will
he ask him? No? The way he The way he
did it was remember the stars like the Big Dipper,
Little Dipper. So that's why they called him the Zodiac

(01:34:00):
because they say that's talk Okay, that makes sense. Okay,
I see what's going on. Yeah yeah, if there's a
stall over here. So it was craziness the way he
did it, but it was it dealt with the zodiac
the same way the other did. And he I think
he caught like three or four bodies, and the other
people they lived, they didn't die, you know what I'm saying.

(01:34:22):
So you know, but he was running around New York
in all the boroughs, Manhattan, Queens, Brooklyn. You know what
I'm saying, according to whatever the zodiac sign it was,
you know, it tell him the day and all that
he'll go out on that night and he'll go and
merk somebody. You know what I'm saying. He's he'll catch
somebody on the bench sleeping, probably drunk, pop pop him

(01:34:45):
in the head. You know what I'm saying. I'm doing that.
How many people being up killer? Do they know? He
killed like four? I think like four or five. But
and then but he attempted to kill more than that,
about nine of so. Now then walking me through how
y'all two got into it. He asked you about what

(01:35:06):
you're sign is, and then what he hap you what
my sign was? And I just looked at him like
you bugged out? And I know, did you know who
it was at the time? Na, That's the funny part.
I didn't know who he was, right, So I get
the newspaper the next day, and when they get the

(01:35:28):
newspaper the next day, I'm reading the newspaper and I'm like, oh,
I go to nigga to ask woman, and Yo, just
this this lame nigga. That's that's that's about three cells away.
I said, oh, worried. Oh he asking me my sign.
But you know what I'm saying, when I bet come
out when a nigga break it, I bet out this

(01:35:51):
up right now. I'm over here like, yeah, you know
what I'm saying. You just gave me the perfect reason
to put my name in the papers. If I eat,
you become So. The thing about him was he was
hard to get. You couldn't get close to that dude.
You know what I'm saying. They kept him in his
own cage, the escort, but a captain and the CEO

(01:36:14):
for him to go to the shower. Why they think
he dangerous? Nigga will kill him in here. Yeah, So
I had it. I had to. I had to do
what I can do best. And I called him one
one day going to the shower, right in front of
the captain. You know what I'm saying. What they did?
Did they charge you with in the war? How they

(01:36:35):
under that when you do that in front of the camera. Well,
I caught him here on the shoulder. And then what
they did was they ain't like him anyway, So we
called it a stalemate. What they did was they came
in in my cage and we got it on. So
they basically, you know, I got, I got, I got
my punchers off. But you know what I'm saying, they
beat Yeah, be damn for me and some ice and

(01:37:01):
the aspiring told me to chill out, and I was
so after the nigga. So after the nigga, answering your zone,
the exiting, the next time you saw him with an opportunity,
you cut him? Or did y'all talking more in between
that or did you see him all I had to
wait about. I ain't gonna lie. I waited on him
for about a couple of weeks, you know what I'm saying,

(01:37:22):
because I had to see how he going or what huh?
Interacting with him and I don't let or what like
in the same as him as you as you're waiting. Nah,
I didn't. I didn't really talk to him at all
as a matter of fact, you know what I'm saying.
I just was observing him like like he was my sheep.
I was like, I gotta see now. Can I get

(01:37:42):
to the yard with him? Nope? Can I you know
what I'm saying, How I'm gonna get this dude? Can
I go to court? Right right? I think? Nope, can't
go to court with him. So I'm like, damn man,
there's no way to get this dude. And I only
got one chance, you know what I'm saying, that's not
caught him on the wall by he was going to
the shower, and then caught him in the shoulder. While

(01:38:06):
it was funny because uh, the police, the police is like,
damn man, you there's nothing we do for you. We
got you in your own cage and and now you're
doing this ship while we're taking these motherfuckers around. Now,
what are we gonna do with you? And then it

(01:38:27):
took me out of there and they sent me to
another spot where it wasn't bars. It was strict. It
was a door with a little window, so that I
couldn't reach out. You were called tarry that though, man
so so so as you cut him, they got you
out of there at this time, is in that the
mother is in there? There other people that we saw

(01:38:48):
on the Queen Flip Show was in and them in
the same house as you when he got cut. Nah,
I didn't see them, No, Lie, I didn't see that.
Like after after ninety five, you know what I'm saying,
I ain't seen none of them. And that's why the
two decade thing happened because y'all, Yeah, y'all broke off
at some point. Yeah, that was it. I ain't seen

(01:39:11):
no more after that, you know what I'm saying. Me
and c K got into two incidents, one in three
blocks where he hit a dude in the face of
the basketball. I came from the side and chopped him.
Actually I chopped him a couple of times, a couple maybe,
See so you c n c K. Can I always
get over some ship unless it's somebody physically get harm.
You know what I'm saying between y'all two, because if

(01:39:32):
you don't put that type work in with a motherfucker,
that type of you know what I'm saying, that that
that then got a different level of you know what
I'm saying, You operate with a different level of just
I don't know, respect and and just admiration for a motherfucker,
you know, a getting that box which and put his
life on the line, you know what I'm saying. For Yeah,

(01:39:54):
Steve me, I always had that mentality like when I
was a kid. You know, I remember some of the
movie Juice, right, you know what I'm saying. If you
remember the movie Juice, Bishop and Raheem, you know there
was friends sance they was kids. Remember right the minute
Bishop got that gun. You know what I'm saying, Oh,

(01:40:15):
a lot of ship went down out of the window. Yeah. Yeah.
So the way I look at it is like I
got love for my homies, but I always leave room
for them where it's far of an expectation for your
homie to to actually turn out to be your enemy
because yea of money, because of a female. It could

(01:40:40):
be for a lot of things, position anything right, and
you know, and and jail made me because I've been
set up by confidence informers and lost a lot of
money and got charged with you know, sir, things under investigation.
Shit like that. What they've done to me, man was
made me separate myself from them that everybody, even people
but I love just because I thought that I was

(01:41:03):
maneuvering smart enough and with enough information not to land
in that situation. And I was wrong. One of y'all
told on me, you know what I'm saying. So it's like, damn,
how can I see myself in the same light and
just wilcome everybody in when I when I really don't
know you know where it may come from, you know

(01:41:25):
what I'm saying. What differentiated us that day on Queens
Flip on that couch was I just had just came home.
So you just how how long was you out at
that time? But three weeks? Oh yeah you were friend. Yeah,

(01:41:47):
I just came. He probably knocked all the shit out
of you. Boy, three weeks time, yo, I was on
the whole three weeks, bro. And I tell you, like,
in the prison system, I don't message the hoosh like that.
You know what I'm saying. I'm very careful about you know,

(01:42:07):
what I put in my body, especially even down for nowadays.
But back then I was like that, Yeah, yeah, I
was thrown down that hand dog man, that shit was balking. Boy.
I tell you it was balking. I been three weeks.
You ain't been on the number three weeks, and it's
pure and he ain't hitting like his post to hit
every tag. That's why is what it is. You know

(01:42:28):
what I'm saying. Let's look at let's look at a
little bit of a little bit more and man, see
what we get. See if we can find a conversation
about some of the funnest ship that's going on. Look
at your vibe right there. You already like what they
what are you? What's going on? He a skip this nigga?
You know what I'm saying. And and they ain't gonna

(01:42:48):
gone down through there, Yeah, because I don't care. I'm saying,
can you describe what the U is? The us UBI in?
You know that Blood Nation before that y B New
York Bloods, after that Nine Trade Gangsters? What made you

(01:43:10):
come up? Like? Who came up with it? Because I
heard the first blood set in New York was what
nine Tree Trade Gangster? So now all day hold up,
hold before that we was under l ganging blood gang
bro was. Look how you're looking them? Look how you
look how you look how you look at that? Ain't

(01:43:37):
you can tell you and it hit it and like, man,
what's what are you? What are you gonna safe family?
What you said? I'm ready to put the head in
the garbage. Can't because I don't want to hold that
no more. Right, it's over with. Let's see what this
was funny to watch? Its absolutely right there you see

(01:43:59):
absolutely like, yeah, my nigga with me, absolutely you know
what I mean. Nah, he wasn't with you. He was
with the other nigga. That nigga and then he hit
you with ima knock you out. Man, that nigga went crazy. No,
it was no, it wasn't no first five sets. It
was all al gang blood games, not trading you still

(01:44:20):
you still on the ba and make sure you eat
the nigga whose food you No, that's that's that's, that's
what it. We had no call, hold hold on, hold on.
He just ate that see it. And and and I'm

(01:44:41):
not sure if the home man understood why he kind
of looked bad that day or why the internet kind
of tone him up, but it was color shit like it. Bro,
it's because you can't just be you can't be on
that no nigga tell you they're gonna knock you out.
And don't. Don't get a mistaken. I understand how to
how to gang shit. His has like that literature need

(01:45:02):
to be writing you in violation. But if I'm in violation,
put me in the rack. You know what I'm saying.
Don't take me, put me in the rack. But if
you think I'm gonna be able to let you just
say that to me on the internet, it can't happen
like it, you know what I'm saying. Because now stack
Stone with somebody that he had, I think he had
the Internet looking at him like, you know what I'm saying,

(01:45:25):
like a big dog. Until that day right there, they
broke him down. Man, they broke that man down. Man.
So I'm knocking you out, nigga after this nigger. Yeah,
but I'm gonna tell you really what he was, what
he was he was. He saying it like he's saying, like, Yo,
I can't believe you did that. Man, I'm knocking you out.

(01:45:48):
You know what I'm saying. What he's saying is that
I can't believe you went and say some crazy shit
like that. No, that's it is wrong. So is that
New York slang? Because down here that's a threat. Man.
I don't know is that just like I'm I'm hot
at you about that man, and know what I'm saying,
that's what that was. That's more like, y'all, I'm hot
at you, Bob. I can't believe you. You you you

(01:46:10):
slip up like that and say something like that. I see.
The Internet didn't take it like it. The Internet gave
Killer Kid of a thousand tough points and took fifteen
thousand tough points from stack Stone. They took out his
tough points. They didn't look at it like that. They
look at it like a grown man just told her
you're gonna knock you out, and you just put your
hand between your leg. You know what I'm saying. And

(01:46:32):
that's the reason. That's the reason why I say that.
And I was telling this is c kid this moment,
I said, Yo, that's the reason why. Oh, we're misunderstood
so much. But at the same time we should know better.

(01:46:53):
You know what I'm saying, Well misunderstood because when people,
when we all same type of nature, we engage in
acts of similar characteristics at different times, you know what
I'm saying, They don't all pop at the same time.
Un listen, has to be that when we was in

(01:47:16):
the bang. We was in the bang. You know what
I'm saying. They cracked this cell. Now we all got
a pop. But when it comes to characteristics, everybody's characteristic
comes out at a certain at a certain time. But
it's similar to the characteristic that he deals with, and
that's the reason why he's dealing with that person because
of that similar nature. Right, right, that's the connection. We share,

(01:47:39):
one of the connection. But from the outside, it's the
same thing. Like I was telling them, who was I
telling it too? I was telling somebody the other day, right,
I say, Yo, when you look at these cops, right,
that's killing that's killing people. Right. When you look at
it from the outside, you see the ratio spatrity, you

(01:48:01):
know what I'm saying. You're seeing that it's a white dude,
and you're seeing the person being oppressed is black. You
know what I'm saying, all Spanish because I've seen ones
with Spanish suit But it's the same thing to me.
Yeah yeah, yeah, But really that's taken away from what's
really happening. You know what I'm saying. What's really happening

(01:48:23):
is that these people that are committing these acts, these
officers or whatever, they're in fear. And what happens is
that when they're in fear, they can't function, you know
what I'm saying. So their fear turns into aggression. But
their fear, but their fear is driven by racial stereotypes.

(01:48:46):
Their black experience is limited, so they don't have they
don't have a black experience. Oh they know as minutes
to society, boys in the hood, you know, things of
that nature. So they don't have a black experience. So
they're for they hand away everybody with a certain level
of spread. Yeah, they are stereotypical prejudice, you know what

(01:49:08):
I'm saying, because it's driven off the unknown and what
they've seen on these movies. They capitalize off of our disparities.
You see what I'm saying. And what does that create it? Yeah,
it creates that scared Yeah yeah, but to me to right,

(01:49:30):
You remember Eric Garden the Rest in Peace, Rest in Peace?
All right, Eric Gardener? Here it is. You got this
police over here. He's about five seven, I think, right.
He wants us to mess with Er Gardener because he
feels that he's selling Lucy's in front of the stope,
which is a minor violation. Whatever if anything is you

(01:49:51):
can go to the fence for it, but what they're
gonna give you for that, you know what I'm saying.
So now he don't really he gotta that's not really
his focal point of what his duty is because his
duty is a server and protect Right, He's going over
there now to mess with this man because he don't
got nothing else to do. So he's gonna go over there.

(01:50:13):
That's a that's is a bus. It's a minor bus,
but it's a bus. So he goes over there to
mess with the man. Right now, when the man starts
getting no hype and ship, now it's different because now
he's saying to himself, yo, I don't rise this dude up. Now,
I gotta rill out more because I started this and
I gotta finish it because of who I am, they said,

(01:50:33):
you know, you know what I'm saying. Now he want
to jump on top of a brother. He want to
try to bring him down so he can show that
he got the situation in the control where he never
had a control in the first place, because he was
afraid of the situation. He was afraid of what he
just calls because it's it's number one is you're in
a conscious telling you you know, you know you just

(01:50:54):
mess with that man, and number two is your is
your in a um, you're in a smartness telling you, bro,
you said, dude gonna take you by your next slam
you down on the ground, and then you're look stupid. Yeah,
but wasn't it. Wasn't it a bunch of police on
Eric Gardener and also them niggas speak English. If a

(01:51:15):
nigga saying I can't breathe, you gotta bag the fuck
up facts and see this, That's what I'm saying. It's like,
and I've seen that type of a drilling it out
of fear in prison. I see the dude that was
doing this, you know, her washing drawls and then they see,
you know, he's chopping anything up, and you're like, hold up, bro,

(01:51:39):
this dude, Yeah, what just happened? If her draws watching
tight nigga niggas, what's he doing? Stabbing and cutting? Dude? Yeah?
You see? You know what I'm saying. So you know
that's why I tell people that certain character risted. But
see what these police, My only thing gears with these polices,

(01:52:00):
you operating with guns and shit and mace and all
this shit. First of all, if you can't handle this
nigga one on one, call for bag up, then approach.
Then if y'all approach, three four, y'all, he say he
can't breathe in on the ground, y'all gotta get the
fuck up. But that's how that's how little they think
of a nigga life, and also how scared they are

(01:52:23):
on top of that, because they're scared enough not to
get up and not believe I ain't either either one
or two things are happening. I'm saying that they don't
value a nigga life. But on the other side, it
also could be is I'm so scared that if I
let him go in out and choked him, he gonna
kick the shit out of me. But if you but

(01:52:45):
if you got four or five of y'all, I don't
understand it. I think it's more of an ego thing. Now, shit,
you're to get out. Yeah, I think it's that right there.
You see what I'm saying. Now, that's the same thing
that happens when you put five people together or in

(01:53:06):
the same in the same realm that all have similar characteristics.
Each of them is gonna have their day where they
go at it with the other one, not because not
because they're actually enemies, well, because that's just then roughen
each other up, like like being being being right, you're

(01:53:27):
getting you're getting solved. And if he's coming out, well
who you who are you talking about? Is getting sold?
I ain't getting So you're getting solved. Yo, you gotta
your shit like this big ye you gotta bring that.
Yeah yeah yeah. But to the people on the outside,
they're like, yo, man, he mad disrespectful. Man, he mad disrespectful. Yo,

(01:53:48):
he beginning a little too carried away. Bump just that
in the third You know what I'm saying, it's because
people were saying is why everybody only feel like it's
about one person? Then because I don't will never see
killer kill you know at that time look at you
and say, all right, wild cat, I'm knocking you out
after this small fucking interview, nigga, you know what I'm saying.

(01:54:10):
But every time Stacks don't make a mistake, whoever he
makes a mistake against, I'm putting my motherfucking hands on you. Nigga.
It's you see what I'm saying. I get it if
because everybody that was up there all right, So me
kk c K b kk c K so us three,

(01:54:36):
well from the generation before um Mel and Stacks. So
that's the reason why you probably see that dispavery right there,
because if it if it came down to us three,
we correlator, we was around each other at the same time,

(01:54:58):
and then with the other two they can't right after us, right,
So tell me this. Then if killer Cavs say that
the c K, do they fight or do he just
accept it? The same way if c K say that
to you, do you just accept it? If you say
that to mail Cross, do he just accept it? Do

(01:55:20):
we get five minutes about that? Is that too much?
Or do it? Do I say something back in lead
like what what you see? What it said? Because it's
Saint rug overdose course of interviews two three weeks or whatever.
Niggas was coming up there every time stack Stone is
that even with Queen's flip, Queen's flip didn't disrespect nobody

(01:55:40):
but stack Stone. Yeah, because they looked at stack Stone
like the like the weak link in then that's what
the that's my point is so and that don't come
from the outside because the YouTube don't know who the
weak link is. That come from nigga saying, damn, he
just told them we're gonna came out. Damn there wild

(01:56:01):
can't tell her that nigga shut the fuck up. Never
mail Cross told him nigga, go take your pants off
or something, just whatever it might be. And niggas is
seeing him, and so the internet taking like he gotta
be the solfa out the bunch. You see what I'm saying,
looking crazy man? Yeah, yeah, So you know that ship
was just kind of for a nigga that don't know

(01:56:24):
it's like. And plus again, I understand how critical it
is because you you gotta be serious about your shit.
If you gang banger this shit serious. It ain't a game,
you know what I mean. So for you, especially for you,
to potentially be putting little out there ain't even no good.
So that's a violation. But violated what he should have

(01:56:44):
done and what gates is around me would have done
what a kkh why in the interview a a stack?
Come on, let me write quick family, He would have
got up he that came holiday at him, fun fun
fuck violated him right whatever what you because he was
in about you was in violation. And then if you
want to go back to or ways after the show,

(01:57:06):
or but it may be so serious. I need to
get to that now because you're putting it now, we
do need to correct it. Like you saying, the history
must be guarded because if it ain't, you can mislead
the future. You know what I'm saying. So it's important
to guard the history. So it's important to say hold up,
that ain't right. But still, if you're in violation and
I want to handle you, you need to come Yeah,

(01:57:29):
come high living same way with you. When the what's
his name nigga? You didn't tell him, I'm gonna cut
you nigga when I catch you the the nigga zodiac nigga. Yeah,
you didn't tell him. Matt. You was in violation for
asking me that I'm gonna bump into you. So when
I push up on you, we ain't got to talk
about what it's about. You know what I'm saying. You

(01:57:50):
know what it's about. You ain't say it but one
thing to me. You know what I'm saying, and that
and so you gotta know what it's about. And it
just like you say, man, we don't understand the brother,
but it just kind of had looked crazy. You know
what I'm saying. Let's look at a little bit more.
At the end of the day, he had no coach

(01:58:11):
that he is not that for why he real round,
I wanted to eat movie all that that what it is, right,
he gangster. I wanted to put working and then whatever, right,
that's it's real. Before that, homie, when he had NYB
peace blood, piece of money, blood out. That's don't three
calls right there, peace blood, piece of money, peace blood

(01:58:33):
all right. After that to the calv Mark cross, they
gave us the non trade gangster who was chancing by
scarface and I hear y'all talk about air side. For
the people who don't know you would might have seen
your story on flip or whatever, give him a little

(01:58:55):
bit of background on who that is and how he
plays none in not only into your story, but into
that whole story then unfolded with the bloods and all
the all liminates. Yeah, si, si um, he's a s
I was the first adolescent you know what I'm saying.
He was the first adolescent doc back to existing. You

(01:59:19):
know what I'm saying. You know that was my comrade
way before that, because he was in the full building.
You know what I'm saying. Back in the end of
ninety three, beginning ninety four. Um, I turned the dolt
in ninety five, so they keeped me out of the
full building. I left him behind. But all those those
two years we was together, you know what I'm saying. Um,

(01:59:40):
we had what was called the one B bad Boys
and we had the one main monsters. So it was
me Si, little Curtis, Doggie dog Um. Uh, full Lower
came afterwards, and Jaydomas and and came afterwards. Um. But
in the beginning, that's desolutely basically was me side Curtis.

(02:00:05):
So so how did he inside? You said he died?
How did he how did he go? Uh? What happened
was Um, I think he was trying to serve a
warren as his crib and he mustn't. He must have
panicked or something like that. And he came out and

(02:00:25):
through some m some smoke bombs, and then he went
and shot a firefight farman and then um, when he
ran outside, he ran outside shooting then and cold he's
killed him. Yeah, I got one of my one of
my people died like he when he got out of

(02:00:46):
the city, ain't going back to jail And when they
he missed his court day. Then one day they came
and got him. I guess closed then owner and he
went out blades. Yeah, and I'll say I wish we
Sho wouldn't have did that. But you know Russ and
peace and in peace crazy t too man um but

(02:01:07):
but um but um but um with um with with um?
How did the inside So it's I put the it's
I put you down or who who put you? You know?
Who put you up on the on the on the
blood ums. I was trying to see you know, it's
crazy s. I was trying to snatch me when I
came down from North and he's the one that introduced

(02:01:30):
me to it, you know what I'm saying. Like I said,
I saw him with the band and and he was like, yo,
you know this is the movement right now. He was
explaining it to me. But what had happened was, you know,
before I even made a decision with him, you know,
they kicked me out. They went and packed me up
one day and they um they sent me to uh HDM.

(02:01:53):
You know what I'm saying, Um, so we split. So
when I got to HDM, I'll bumped into WAYNEO and
what I'm saying, and that's who h that's who put
me on. Wayne No put me on. I not heard
his name too, Wayne, and I was already repping it,
but I was an official, right, And that's how it

(02:02:16):
usually happened. When you're ripping it at a young age.
You know, somebody got to get you know, really put
you down. But youre really already know what direction you're going.
You know what I'm saying. I'm trying to this what
I am and you're just really waiting to run into
the big home in some kind of way to get
you know, smashed and put it down. So so so
um so so so the Wayne not So how does Wayne?

(02:02:39):
Does Wayne No play it to anybody else's um story
that was on the Queen's Flip Show? Or is it
because different gangs? He doesn't really play into different sets?
I mean, nah, Wayne No really only plays with me
because Wayne know he's from one beat, He's from one
b Ban you know what I'm saying. And that's who

(02:03:00):
y'all was that. It was all that one in one pping.
So who who is who is the og? Mac dude?
Do you know who that is? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
I know back Okay, Mac. You know, Mac is gonna
always get the the lash, the lashing because you know

(02:03:23):
what he did before he was blood right, you know,
waing where he put somebody in jail, you know what
I'm saying. And even though later on he recanted it,
you know, um, because he recanted that statement. So basically
he basically he cooperated and then at the at the

(02:03:45):
when it's time to cooperate, he said he he said
he was gonna cooperate, but when it was time to cooperate,
he didn't cooperate. Nah, he co out, he cooperated. The
dude got time to do was sent to jail. You
know what I'm saying, ain't and about um, he didn't
think that it was surface and that it did surface

(02:04:06):
like almost ten years later, and then he wrote a
letter to the court and then they set the man free.
You know what I'm saying, um, because the only thing
that had him in jail those teams was his word. Yea,
god damn, and then he let him they you know,
he wrote a letter to the courts and then they

(02:04:28):
set him free. Damn. Though, man, damn, that's ugly. That's ugly.
That's ugly right there. But Mac was Mac Mac was
actually official. You know what I'm saying. No, one can't
say that he wasn't official. They're gonna say that what
he did back then was a no number. Right. Once

(02:04:50):
you do that, that's the saying you can't take away, right,
you know. But though he recan to the statement, and
the dude went home and he ain't told her nobody
body else, and he didn't tell why he was he
was Dob Moore or any of that sort, just by
the knowledge of that from before when he you know,
they're gonna hold you to the farm. I mean, but

(02:05:11):
if you put somebody in jail for teen years, you know,
that's a bad motherfucker. That's a hell of a thing, man,
you know what I mean. That's a that's a that
ain't cool, that ain't straight. You know what I'm saying.
I know you eventually got him out, but god damn,
you know what I mean, that's still yeah. So you know,

(02:05:32):
I look at Mac. I look at Mac like you know,
Mac was Mac was Mac? Mac was official? Right, you
know what I'm saying, Mac's official. You know I'm saying,
but what he did, he can't. He can't. They can't.
I always did when it when it happened. That happened

(02:05:53):
way before he was even blood that she was like
when he was in his younger, younger age. And the
reason why he did it wasn't out a like fear
or anything like that. I don't really think he knew
the dude like that. It was something like he was
looking out the window and he saw something and he
held it like an ace and a hole, but he
got he was like, oh, okay, you know what I'm

(02:06:13):
saying himself, right right, right, right right right, you know,
I mean that makes sense too, That makes just kicking
my ass travel. That makes sense though, because I haven't
seen niggas do shit like it myself, you know what
I'm saying. I don't seen niggas like a nigga say't
killed the whole shit. And then when he get caughty tailed,

(02:06:35):
you didn't kill the niggas that done all kind of shit.
The niggas, they didn't let it go and try to
just handle it in the street. Then you get caught
up and you tell that ship that crazy man, that
shit that crazy. So that that thing that he did
from back then has always been a staying on him,
you know what I mean? Yeah, And c. K took
credit for exposing that is that? Is that the truth?

(02:06:58):
I mean he did, he did, he was pushing it.
I mean, if anybody was pushing it the most, I
would say it was him and was pushing it. The
most problem was that there was no documents when he
was pushing. So how did he even know? He knew
to somebody else that knew, see what I'm saying, So

(02:07:19):
he had word about it, but he didn't have he
didn't have the documents. You know what I'm saying. Without
the documents, no, you can't say. You can't even say no,
think nothing like that. I'm saying I would not say
about an individual unless I got the black and white
right there. If I don't got black and white, I'm
not messing it. I'm saying, right, I need to see this.

(02:07:44):
Yeah yeah, yeah, No, that's that's that's what you because
if you're gonna call him a red you gotta have that.
That's part of you know what I'm saying. But really,
I'm gonna think you're ready if you come around saying
somebody renting ain't got no paperwork, I'm saying, where are
you trying to pull the wall over? They got eyes
or what you know. Man, Yeah, I don't know what
you're doing. But but um, but I also I wanted

(02:08:06):
to ask you about uh, that Killer Call book, because
I be hear you say that that book ain't ridden
about Killer Call and then he say that book is
one hundred percent about him. So where's the discrepancy with that?
I mean, all you gotta do is go to the
interview on the author. You know, the author said to himself,

(02:08:31):
you know the only reason why And like I said,
I'm not throwing those shots at him or nothing. I'm
just saying, this is what the author said. And author
of the book. The only reason why he's on the
cover is because on the cover that was a picture
that they was using to try to locate individuals that

(02:08:53):
were wanted for a crime. They just so happened that
he had. He happened to be, um standing there with
those individuals, you know what I'm saying. So and then
later on then now when they're talking about the vill
and all the stuff, those individuals, the individuals that did

(02:09:14):
certain things in the projects, and um, they used the
identification picture as the cover picture for the book. M hmm, Okay,
you know what I'm saying, well, but here, but here,
so but here responded in and say that ain't that
ain't true. The book is about me, that's what he said. Yeah,

(02:09:36):
but how the book can't be about him because the
book don't even mention it. So he's moving around, but
they're moving around what he's saying then, because I ain't
never watched it. But what are you saying? You got
a book that you're on the cover but nothing in
the inside. You can say that. You can say all

(02:09:58):
kinds of stuff. If you're on the cover, you could say, oh, yeah,
that's what they saying about it, that's about me without
mentioning your name and people biting off it on the internet. Okay, yeah,
I guess see, I got to bear it. I need
to give me a shop for the internet, especially man,

(02:10:18):
I'm gonna I'm let's see what else we get to
get to. I like I like this interview, man, y'all
spending with you three weeks. See, I look at it
totally different now, don't get it twisted. I'm an old
respect man for what he gave with at the time
of the place when nobody with defending the black race,

(02:10:40):
the black people, Nigga was just modest and killing us
in the penitentiary. So when the niggas say that, what
is he saying? So so so, Actually Latin kinges was
killing niggas in the penitentiary in New York. Nah, man,
it wasn't. What it was. Remember by that is that

(02:11:01):
you know a lot of dudes was getting twisted, a
lot of dudes, you know what I'm saying. And and
but that's the what was they hard on? What was
they hard it was? It wasn't that they was hard
on blacks. See it really see a lot of people
will misconstrue it. They would look at it like it

(02:11:22):
was a race walk in Spanish and blacks. No, it wasn't.
Now it just so happens that Latin kings represent the
Latin race, that all Latin people, you see what I'm saying.
You know, there's people that represent different types of other

(02:11:43):
Spanish games, but at the time, they were the biggest,
you know what I'm saying. And then with the problem
was like, for example, if you got three phones on
the wall, you know what I'm saying. If you got
three phones on the wall, you know what I'm saying.
They were basically locking down two of the phones and
then only one phones for you know, whoever could try

(02:12:06):
to use it, and that's not enough for the you know,
the whole rest of the prison or the part of
the house or whatever. And so the phones was a
major part of the war. The phones or the locking
down of the forsources. They were hogging the resources, and
it was hogging the resources. That's a fact. That's a
great way to say. They were hogging the resources. They

(02:12:28):
had the numbers. You know what I'm saying. The dudes
that was trying to step up was doing their things,
but they ended up putting the soul in the bank.
M you know what I'm saying. Damn, that's ship. See
that's what I'm saying. Man. But see he said, og
Max steward up for the og Max steward up in
the prison on the street, he told me in the prison. Yeah,

(02:12:51):
they set up in the prison. Um, you know, no
one can say that they ever pumped og Mac or
beat og Mac, or no one can ever saying that
I've never heard of it. You know, no one can
say any of that at all. What I'm saying, Um,
you know, I can't say that I heard of Ogi

(02:13:12):
Mac running around chopping and stabbageh it. No, I've heard
of him and having a fistfight here and then. You know,
but other than that, you know what I'm saying, I'm
not gonna love. I'm gonna tell you who vibe my life.
The soul Beat Nigga seemed like here, cool nigga, what's up?
You fuck? What's sold be? What's what's the what's the
energy was sold be? Yeah, Man, I've vive was so

(02:13:34):
Be here and then you know what I'm saying. Um
Me and soul Bee didn't really bump like that on
the island because you know, I think he was already
up north when he was on the island, wild An
Out and then north. We did bumping um in the
Box and South Pole, but we never landed on the
same gallery, you know what I'm saying. So we was

(02:13:56):
around each other at certain points in time in our beds,
but you know, we never landed in the same spot.
So our relationship was more long distance. But you know,
we still used to communicate. And since I've been home,
I've spoken to so Be a couple of times, you
know what I mean. So I just like his vibe.
It seemed like he got he kind of you know,

(02:14:18):
put together pretty well and kind of understanding, you know,
can kind of communicate and gotta look game, you know
what I'm saying, did all that time all y'all niece,
gotta have gaming survived, you know what I'm saying. So
you gotta have some games show um what I was
just for the ass shoe man, So you got there.

(02:14:39):
Ain't nobody calling ye out in videos, Ain't no smoke
on the internet with nothing nobody fucking with you, nah man,
So far, so far then clear. I had this one
young dude um that was running around with my name
in his mouth, you know what I'm saying. And but
you know how it is when you're when you're the

(02:15:00):
one that's buzzing. You know what I'm saying. That dudes
is always gonna come and try to cloud taste or whatever,
you know, saying your name, you know, do all these
teams because now that was like they turned the internet
into it. I don't know if you remember wrestling back
in the days. Yeah, but you know you had the
snake pit, you had the piper's pit, you know what

(02:15:22):
I'm saying. So now these podcasts is turning into these
type of of little streams where you already know something's
about to pop off there and that's gonna be like yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah. But see but but see, sometimes you can
just have a dope conversation and they'll do what it's
supposed to do, you know what I'm saying. But other

(02:15:44):
times people thrive, do thrive on those situations where y'all
can get in a shouting match real quick and then
they to go viral at short money. You know what
I'm saying. I get out of that once I see that. Yeah, yeah,
there's short money man, because it it don't it, don't
wait nothing, that ship, don't wait nothing. You know what

(02:16:05):
I'm saying at all. But um but like I say, man,
it's just good to see, like I say, you on
the other side of this thing man and doing what
you what it is you do? What? What do for
anybody watching? What do you be working on? How what
do you gotta schedule with? How you drop your videos?
Or you just you just I usually drop a video

(02:16:26):
a day, you know what I'm saying. Um, I just
dropped on just recently they go to Wildcat channel. Um,
I just dropped one about the importance of monetizing your time. Yes,
a lot so you know, uh, I dropped that down then,
but usually, you know, I always dropped something. Um, I
try to drop something every day. I dropped stuff on

(02:16:48):
Instagram too. Um that's a wildcat triple file. So you know,
I always try to keep contact content flowing. You know
what I'm saying, keep channel. You know, as we're speaking,
I'm looking at it. I'm up on five hundred and
sixty five percent on six hundred and seventy nine percent

(02:17:12):
of my views, eight hundred and seventy seven percent of
my watchtown, five hundred and sixty five percent of my revenue.
So I tell people are saying, you know, I like
to straight away from are the internet beat and just
stick to the content because I like, I like using
my brain right, And that's the reason why I try

(02:17:35):
to stay away from all that. People pull me all
the time because they know I'm gonna ain't nothing about
me right. And then when I started attacking, I just
get into a zone where I just keep stabbing. But
I'm tired, you know what I'm saying. So I try
like to get up out of that that round. So again, UM,

(02:17:56):
I continued like I did lowal Library. I just did
Low Library last Wednesday. You know what I'm saying, And
today I did um uh about the monetizing your time.
So I'm doing little things here and there. Yo, I
thank your Internet or mine. Somebody Internet ain't doing right
where where? Right now? My mine is good, Mine is

(02:18:19):
moving and all that. How about yours? Yours is moving?
There you go there, you thank you for watching. Like

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