Let's Get Lost 47 - Season 3: A Tale of Two Cities

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The Season 3 premiere of "Lost" intricately weaves the threads of obsession, trust, and emotional growth, primarily focusing on Jack's internal struggles and the mysterious addition of Juliet. The episode unpacks the complexities of captivity, emotionally charged interactions, and the haunting presence of the Others as they manipulate the protagonists' realities.

• Introduction of Juliet as a potential ally or enemy
• Jack grappling with jealousy, obsession, and his past
• The psychological games played by the Others heightening suspense
• Sawyer's comic relief amidst the dark tones of imprisonment
• Jack's emotional growth and acceptance of Sarah's happiness

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Episode Transcript

Amanda (00:00):
Hello everybody and welcome to this week's episode
of let's Get Lost.
Not only is it this week'sepisode, but it's the first
episode I can't with these two.
I also I'm still legitimatelylooking for two new co-hosts.
I should have auditioned peopleat the documentary.

Kip (00:21):
All we're doing is sitting here silently cheering yeah,
exactly, silently meokin' me iswhat they're doing is sitting
here silently cheering yeah,exactly silently me is what
they're doing?

Amanda (00:28):
uh, all I was going to say was that I'm very excited
because it is the first episodeof season three and, although we
did release recently a kind offun 20th anniversary episode, it
is the first time we've sattogether to talk about an
episode in a long time.

Kip (00:46):
I'm very excited, super pumped.
It is time.

Amanda (00:50):
It is time.

Kip (00:51):
It is time, alrighty.
So season 3, episode 1.
Oh my god, I can't believe it'sseason 3 already.

Amanda (00:58):
Season 3.
My favorite season.

Kip (00:59):
Wow, is it.

Amanda (01:01):
Yeah.

Kip (01:02):
This is one of the best season openers.

Amanda (01:03):
It's so good.
I'm not going to lie to youguys.
I don't mind the love triangleright now.

Kip (01:09):
After we just shit on it, I love it.
Well, let's get the synopsis ofthis premiere episode.

Theresa (01:16):
All right.
So this one's called A Tale ofTwo Cities Story by Damon
Lindelof.
Teleplay by JJ Abrams and DamonLindelof.
Teleplay by JJ Abrams and DamonLindelof, directed by Kipper's
favorite, jack Bender.
Was also nice to see what JackBender looked like.

Kip (01:30):
Yeah, he was cool in the doc too.

Amanda (01:31):
I couldn't tell the difference between him and
Carlton Cuse after they stoppedusing the title cards for them.

Theresa (01:36):
Oh my god.

Amanda (01:38):
Old white men.
All look the same to me, oh mygod, alright, anyway.

Theresa (01:48):
Okay.
So, all right, anyway.
Um, okay.
So jack, kate and sawyer eachwake up on their own to discover
that they are being heldprisoner by the others.
Jack's attempted escape revealsthat he is in deeper than he
ever imagined.

Amanda (01:55):
In a flashback, jack's jealousy alienates his wife okay
well, to be fair, I think thatthe alienation started before
that.
But yeah, eek Yikes.

Kip (02:06):
Okay, I'll give you some stats.
Okay, 8.6 out of 10 on IMDbPretty damn good.
18.82 million viewers that'spretty high, it's very high, not
their highest, but still prettygood.
Do you remember how manynicknames Sawyer used this
episode?

Amanda (02:22):
Two.

Kip (02:24):
Correct.
Do you remember what they are?
No Chachi is one, and I don'tknow.
Freckles, classic freckles,yeah, chachi and freckles, and
day 68 on the island.

Theresa (02:36):
Been two months.
That's crazy.
Over two months, yeah, over twomonths.

Kip (02:41):
Okay, so I have some trivia .
I think they're fairly easy.
I don't know.
Oh, I don't have a sound.
Oh yeah, this is a new season.
Think of your trivia sounds.
Take some time.
Think of what you're going tosay.
Make it season three specialeffect, if you can.

Amanda (02:58):
I don't know if I can, yet I can't think of anything.

Theresa (03:01):
I wanted it to be from this episode and I'm drawing a
blank.

Amanda (03:03):
Okay, I'm ready.
It's going to be a long onethough.
Yeah, it's going to let me.

Theresa (03:11):
Let me go.
It's going to be a long one.

Amanda (03:12):
Yeah, it's a quote.

Theresa (03:13):
Remember when we were always going to do quotes, oh,
okay.

Amanda (03:14):
Remember, and it was going to be a new one every time
.

Kip (03:16):
Okay.

Amanda (03:28):
Do you First question what book are they reading in
the book club?

Theresa (03:30):
Well, my quote.
My thing was going to be, so Iguess I'm out of the book club.

Kip (03:32):
Oh my, God that was mine too.
Oh wow, that's a good one.

Amanda (03:34):
I don't know the book, so if Teresa does, I'll let her
steal it.
I don't know, but I do knowit's by Stephen King.
Okay, is it it?
Yeah, take a guess is it it no?

Theresa (03:45):
I have no idea.

Amanda (03:45):
Carrie, I know it was by Stephen King, because I
remember that.

Kip (03:52):
But okay, alright, fair but I want you to say your quote
with more Ben like conviction,please so I guess I'm out of the
book club pretty good, so Iguess this means I'm out of the
book club.

Theresa (04:05):
Pretty good, pretty good.
So I guess this means I'm outof the book club I think mine
was better probably this isvideoed.
We have a winner theresawoodward my face.

Kip (04:18):
Okay, next question how many actors from the previous
seasons are no longer creditedas main characters?

Theresa (04:26):
I don't even remember seeing the credits.

Amanda (04:29):
I do, but I'm trying to think, so I guess I'm out of the
book club Three.

Kip (04:43):
Incorrect.

Amanda (04:44):
Is it two?
Incorrect one four, fourcorrect so it's cynthia watros.

Theresa (04:53):
Yeah, it's michelle rodriguez, yeah harold perrineau
yeah, and walt, walt, yeah, butmalcolm david, malcolm david
kelly, that's it I was reallyonly thinking when I said three.

Amanda (05:05):
I was forgetting Walt.

Kip (05:06):
Yeah.

Amanda (05:08):
I thought Walt might've already been out of it.

Kip (05:10):
I think he was still credited, and but then just now,
as of season three, they'vebeen completely written out.

Amanda (05:15):
Good Writtens To all of them, including Walt, Even
though okay.
Highlight of the documentary.

Kip (05:21):
Did you know?

Amanda (05:22):
that Malcolm David Kelly was in that group.

Kip (05:25):
I had no idea, and how hilarious it was.
They were singing on like aMacy's Thanksgiving Day parade
behind Kiss.

Theresa (05:33):
Or in front of Kiss.
Yeah, so weird, I've heard thatsong, same here.

Amanda (05:36):
Had no idea, wow.

Kip (05:38):
That's so weird.
Anyway, he's in.

Amanda (05:39):
M2K or MKO.
That's not it.
That's a really importantorganization actually.

Kip (05:49):
Let's get it.
I'll cut up the silence.

Amanda (05:53):
That was crazy, because I've definitely heard that song
before.

Kip (05:56):
Yeah, that was cool.
I didn't know that either.

Theresa (05:58):
MKTO.

Kip (05:59):
MKTO.

Theresa (06:01):
It's a pop duo, malcolm Kelly, and then I'm guessing
the other one is.

Kip (06:05):
Some other person.

Theresa (06:06):
Is Tony Aller.

Amanda (06:11):
Interesting and they had a hit with that.

Theresa (06:16):
I want to be like what I want to be like yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah okay, so they areapparently a multi-platinum duo.

Amanda (06:36):
Holy shit, that song alone has 1 billion streams on
spotify good for him, yeah I'mlike, look to be fair.
That's not like 2012, butthat's actually pretty
impressive.

Kip (06:47):
Good for him I mean, I'm sure there's a lot of two things
that come in 2012.
They don't have that many plays, though.

Amanda (06:52):
That's true, true doubt so I had no idea.
That was like one of thecraziest things, okay, oh, all
right, not maria.

Kip (07:00):
Do we have a takeaway?
I have a takeaway.
High level takeaway Yep.

Amanda (07:04):
Listen to me.

Kip (07:07):
You know what?

Amanda (07:08):
I'm going to be real with you.
It is kind of tied into thedocumentary.
High level takeaway from thisepisode and I think we need to
highlight her in lots of ways isthat Juliet is the perfect
angel.
She's a perfect angel baby, andyou want to know why she's a
perfect angel baby?
Because apparently so isElizabeth Mitchell theitchell,
the actress.

Theresa (07:26):
Oh my god, she was so sweet in the documentary.

Amanda (07:28):
It was like literally watching juliet yeah, yeah in
real life she is juliet.

Kip (07:34):
She was the sweetest person , I think, like every time she
came on, all three of us justturned.

Amanda (07:39):
Oh my god, she's so sweet she's so cute, so motherly
and so like.
She's just like, so, likethere's no, there's no other way
to describe it she's so sweetshe's so cute, so motherly and
so like.

Theresa (07:46):
She's just like, so, like there's no, there's no
other way to describe it.

Amanda (07:47):
She's just like.

Theresa (07:48):
She makes you want to like, grab your heart and be
like oh I know, and her voice isso like soothing yeah, somehow
I don't know if that's the rightword comforting, yeah like it's
just I, just I want her to justbe in my life so my high level
takeaway is that she is perfectin real life as well, but when
you, if you're watching for thefirst time and you're kind of
like, what are these peopleraving about this?

Amanda (08:10):
like villainous person, I have to say even I think she
still brings a sweetness, evenwhen she's on the wrong side,
right?
So the takeaway is that, likeshe heard, the nuance and
sweetness to her character isvery, is very good and very well
developed and clearly sorrypart of who she is as a person.

(08:34):
Elizabeth mitchell, that's allI was gonna say.

Kip (08:36):
I love it.
That's fantastic do we have.

Amanda (08:39):
I think what we're gonna go with this was a stream of
consciousness also, you've gonein.

Theresa (08:49):
All right, all right, here we go.
A tale of two cities.
Okay, I gotta watch the recapbecause it's been a while.
Yikes on bikes, you're comingwith us.
All right, we start with aneyeball.
Who's unsure?
Music okay, I see a mirroringbetween season two's opening,
but a different song, and we seewho it is right away and I'm
pretty jazzed.

(09:10):
But I don't remember how thisgoes.
But doesn't she seem like ahappy little camper?
Aw, poor thing, she's nothaving a good time anymore.
Anyone else?
See the legs on the side of thehouse?
Her voice is cute.
Her voice is cute.
Oh, it's a book club.
Do people really read books inthe bathroom?
She's sassy.
Have fun.
Uh-oh, earthquake.
Oh, it's Ethan fixing herplumbing.

(09:30):
What is happening right now?
What are we looking at?
Why are we all looking up?
If we had an earthquake?
Oh shit, we're going from likeday one plane crash.
But a different perspective,gotcha.
Can people run for an hour?
Is that real?
I don't like how quick everyoneis to act here.
It's so creepy.

Amanda (09:49):
Yes, keep going?
Can people run for an hour?
What do you think a marathon is?

Theresa (09:57):
I don't know how long a marathon is it's hours is it
yeah?
absolutely.
Oh my god, that's awful.
Why do people put themselvesthrough this anyway?
Back in um, yikes, ben justcalled out juliet.
Um, how come the person isn'trunning on the path?
Ew, zoom this, zoom out.

(10:20):
Where is this on the on theisland?
Um, why is Jack lurking at aplayground?
Oh, he's talking, sarah.
He's clearly flirting withsomeone else.
They giggling, they laughing.
Jack's angry, but honestly,this is not the place to be
lurking.
Was he dreaming when is thisnow?
Oh right, they were taken awayby Ben and the others.

(10:43):
What did we inject with or drawblood for Jack?
It's not going to be open.
Don't waste your strength, myfriend.
I'd be so scared, honestly.
What the fuck?
Oh, it's glass.
Lol.
Reminds me of those kids who,what the hell?
Reminds me of one of those kidswho run into them on the tick
tocks.
You know those compilations.
I don't know what that means.

(11:04):
Run into them on the TikToks.
You know those compilations.
I don't know what that means.
Oh, jack, I don't think you canbreak this.
Also, sawyer was with, also withyou.
Maybe ask where both of themare.
Oh my God, whose feet are these?
My God, poor Kate, that'sterrifying to wake up to.
Do you get clean clothes afteryou shower you.
I hate the way we need to seethem take the cotton ball tape
off.
Now, where's soy at?

(11:25):
Oh, in a cage, okay, is that achild on the in the other cage?
Teen poor thing?
Also a plant like goodwin andethan?
Is this some?
Is this kind of like mousetrap?
Well, the kid didn't move, soit must be no big deal.
Didn't even flinch.
Oh, now there's advice.
I don't know what that meanseither.

(11:46):
Oh shit, that's fucked up.
You good Sawyer Jack's arms.
This season get a plus 50, andoh my god, that climbing sitch
was sexy.
Is Juliet on the other side ofthe glass?
Did we even get an intro or arewe just into it?
Did I miss the sound?
Oh, it's divorce time.
I'm guessing she didn't go veryfar.

(12:07):
Like he can still hear all thegiggles there, I'm just saying
oh, jack, knowing won't changeanything, my dude, I like that
he finally calls them hisfriends.
I like that Juliet is so calmwhile he's yelling at her.
Granted, she's no bueno.
Also very different scenarios.
These three are in Um, where areKate's clothes?
Why they gotta be so cryptic?

(12:27):
How hot was your shower in thatgiant room that there's steam
all up on that mirror.
Is that even possible?
Who the hell is he?
I should be smarter, bet Ishould be smarter, ben probably.
Who are these people walkingher down?
One is a gun.
Two are just chilling.
Honestly, if it weren't soterrifyingly unknown, i'd'd be
like this is kind of nice, butBen is creepy AF.

(12:47):
Is it morning time?
Is that why there's coffee andeggs and handcuffs?
Run to the sea, kate.
Run to the sea.
Put them on yourself if youwant them tighter Gs.
What did you do with Sawyer andJack?
Does the order really matter?
Is she allowed to eat?
Ben is so creepy it's not evenfunny.
So unpleasant.
Why I'm uncomfy.
What the hell are you doing,jack?

(13:09):
Maybe we stop fixating on thename.
Oh, what the hell Jack needs totake a second.
Christian is right here.
I don't like the way he saysbeing a drunk is not an
obsession to Christian.
I don't know.
It felt off to me for somereason.
I can't explain it.
Is he drinking ceiling drippies?
Ew, ew.
What the hell jack looks fucked.
How long has he been in there,jack?

(13:29):
I think they know about youalready, my dude.
They know everything about you,I'm pretty sure, because you
know, ethan.
Why tell the truth, truth.
Now jack angrily lie and thenanswer honestly how random.
I probably wouldn't trust her,even though she sounds very
pleasant.
Valid questionid question Jack,what is going on?
How long has it been?
What's Kate up to?
What is happening?

(13:50):
Who is this kid and why is hehelping?
As bad as that was Juliet, thatwas kind of terrifying.
So they know Carl and they havehim locked up.
Why, how long has this been?
Jack seems delirious and justfucked up.
Why do we think she's a doctor,jack?

(14:10):
Because of what's going tohappen to you if you don't eat,
just eat, otherwise you'reprobably going to die or
something.
I mean, I will say she's notwrong about him probably feeling
like he's giving up, but man,he looks worse for wear.
Jack does not think his dad ispork and Sarah and the chops
that would be so effed up.
Oh, you're going to follow him.
I, yeah, where are this?
Jack is very confrontationaltoday.
I see Jesus Jack settled down,paranoid much.

(14:32):
Oh, no, you're going to try torun.

Amanda (14:36):
Aren't you, are you okay ?

Theresa (14:43):
Okay, back in, he's got a lot of energy for someone who
hasn't eaten in a while.
Jack, you can't kill people.
It goes against your oath.
What's beyond that door?
Oh my god, ben, you're ajackass.
Oh shit, that's water.
Okay, I'm having a hard timebecause I stan a badass woman.
But also she just hit him inthe face.
Okay, seriously, how long hasit been?
I can't figure it out.

(15:03):
It's bothering me.
Also, what is sawyer doing, hey, I mean?
I mean, if you're hungry,you're hungry, I get it, but how
?
Also, how did he figure thatout?
And it's only been a day.
What's happened to Jack?
The looks on the face is Ican't.
Oh my god.
And the way he says you, okay,freckles Kills me.
Did Kate not eat breakfast withBen?
Good for her, I guess.
I wonder what these fishbiscuits taste like.

(15:25):
Oh, wow, he's figured it allout, even though he's all fucked
up.
That's pretty impressive, butI'm straight up lost.
Ha, yikes, they know everything.
It's so creepy.
I swear to bejeebers.
If he asks who Sarah was seeing, I'm going to lose it.
Get over it, jack.
Oh, okay, he already knows.
I guess he doesn't know hisname, but still, oh, that's the

(15:46):
right question, jack, I seegrowth.
He's such a sad panda, you know, for a captor she's really
quite polite.
This is going to be an issueUgh.
Ben gives me such the uncomfies, but I like that.
She clearly doesn't like Ben.

Amanda (16:02):
Finn Ooh okay, wow yeah, finn, oh okay, wow.
Yeah, there's a lot to unpackyeah, yeah um yes porking in the
chops where can you repeat thatone line to us again?
I'd like to hear that again.
Surely he's not, doesn't?

Theresa (16:23):
think it's just porking her in the chops how is that
phrased?
Okay, jack does not think hisdad is pork and sarah the chops
in the chops I've heard someonesaid that in something once and
then it like really stuck withme oh uh, yeah, unfortunately it

(16:46):
does appear that jack believesthat his dad is pork and sarah
and the chops oh, okay yeah, umoh wow, good, good stream of
consciousness theresa um, Ithought it was really cute.

Amanda (16:59):
Just I don't want to forget to say it later because I
would want to bring it up inthe discussion, but you brought
it up.
When he says to her what are,are you a doctor or whatever?
And she's like no, I'm a repowoman.
I thought that was so cutebecause he had said he was a
repo man and she knows he's adoctor, so I thought that was
just like a really cute way forher to kind of like joke around
with him to be like oh no, Ilove, so you're going to find

(17:24):
out she's a doctor that doesn'tbecome clear.
Um, I thought that was reallycute.
Her character is so good.

Kip (17:31):
It's the best, okay, so first question, or first point.
The opening scene is amazing.

Amanda (17:37):
So good I love that.

Kip (17:39):
But why does Ben say I guess I'm out of the book club?
I don't get that.

Amanda (17:42):
Cause he wasn't invited.

Kip (17:44):
But so like was he in the book club.

Amanda (17:46):
Yeah, and you see that later, I think in a flashback
too.

Kip (17:50):
Oh, but Julia just didn't invite him to this one.

Amanda (17:52):
Yeah, and that's why I think he says in their
discussion whoever that,whatever character that is, says
like.

Kip (18:07):
I guess that's why Ben wasn't invited to this one
because he wouldn't like thisbook.
Right, right, you do.
I do think there is a flashbacklater on where you do see that
I think ben might have evenstarted the book club.
Yeah, I remember the somethingfurther, but I couldn't remember
why he said that and I didn'tput two and two together, that
he just truly didn't invite himand I I know why, just having
seen the rest of the show.

Amanda (18:18):
But it does make sense so I think that's just his like
cheeky way, because they had andin theory maybe he never would
have known about it.

Kip (18:25):
Had like they, not all run out and she's still holding the
book, so I think that's morebecause he does look at it and
he's like like it's just a benway of saying like I know what's
going on yeah, I know what'sgoing on and, like the reality,
has been probably already new,he knows
everything, but I thought thathe has such good little it does
like I remember watching it andwhen ben walks out of the house,

(18:47):
like when the plane's crashing,it just gives me chills because
, like, at that point, you see,you don't really know who juliet
is, you don't really know theseother people.
I don't think at that point wehad seen ethan, like you saw his
legs.
But then, as soon as ben walksout, you're just like oh, oh,
fuck.

Theresa (19:02):
Yeah.

Kip (19:03):
Yeah, like gives me chills.
I love that part.

Amanda (19:06):
Cause, even like when he says that's probably why Ben
wasn't invited.
You don't necessarily know thatthat's like.

Kip (19:12):
I don't think we knew his name.
Or do they say it in the finaleof season two?
I can't remember because no,like it's not a spoiler or
anything it's just like back.
Oh, I don't know yeah, I thinkthey do say it.
I feel like we, oh, they do,because tom friendly says
something and then he's like Iguess we're not using our?
Yeah aliases anymore orsomething like that.

Amanda (19:34):
That's right but yeah, it was, uh, it was really once,
you see, and then you didn'tknow the level of organization
yet.
Yeah, right, like you didn'tknow, like you knew it.
So, like, clearly, cause therewas a time where we thought they
all lived in huts and thenthere was a time where we
thought they were on you know,like we still don't know enough

(19:58):
about how the others live so toeven have them run out.
Maybe this was, they knew eachother from somewhere else.
This is, maybe this was goingto be a ben flashback to ben's
life, right, you don't it allkind of coalesces into that
moment of like, oh shit, that'sthe plane crash, right, because
that's when I first saw it.
I I did think they were talkingabout ben, like when they're

(20:21):
talking in the book club andthen they run out and you see
him.
I thought it was going to be aflashback to Ben's pre Island
life because you don't know howhe ended up on the Island.
And then you see, oh shit, no,no, no, this is now.
This is how they're living here.
Yeah, 60 days ago, presumablyinto now.
It's creepy.

Kip (20:44):
And ago presumably into now .
It's creepy and that's why Ithink it's honestly probably the
best season opener other thanthe the series premiere.
But like, because you do getthis creepy factor of everything
you just described and you getthis overview of the island and
you see like the smoke over hereand the village in the middle
of this huge island and you seelike where the planes crashed
and the cockpit and the tailies,like you kind of get this sense

(21:06):
of wow, it's big and yetthere's this whole society going
on that they had no idea, thatthey had no idea about and we're
kind of learning this and it'slike whoa, just like the
curtains been pulled.

Amanda (21:18):
Yeah, very true, so cool it is been pulled, yeah very
true, so cool.
It is, I think, kind of thefirst like overview we get.
I think so, yeah, point, okay,so well, they were over there
dying and they were over heretrying to survive this whole
society of evil people.
At this point, because the onlyexperience we have with them is
ethan, yeah, goodwin and benand the kidnappings, and

(21:38):
kidnappings and attacks anddeceit.
So you're like what ishappening and I really did think
it was going to be thebeginning of a flashback.

Theresa (21:48):
That's fair.

Amanda (21:49):
It was really cool.
It gives me chills.

Kip (21:51):
Yeah, I loved it.

Amanda (21:53):
And again, can we talk about a show that's introducing
these entirely new?
I know lots of shows will bringin characters every season or
whatever to mix it up entirelynew, like I know lots of shows
will bring in characters everyseason or ever mix it up.
But to bring in like such, likean embedded concept of a
character and just like open theseason with that yeah like what
?
Who's juliet?

Kip (22:12):
no one knows yeah, why is she?

Amanda (22:14):
important?
We don't know yeah, why do wealready feel for her yeah oh,
it's really incredible yeah welldone.

Kip (22:21):
Yeah, so should we talk about flashbacks or on island
stuff?
Why are you rolling your eyes?

Amanda (22:25):
about the flashbacks.
Jack is such an asshole in thisepisode and then, like we kind
of have to talk about, it withit because then it leads into
like the best moment likeparallels.
Yeah, he's such an asshole, butthen he has such a beautiful
moment okay, I don't think he'san asshole like Like.

Kip (22:40):
I think he needs to chill, he needs to chill, but it's just
like why is no one beingstraight with him?
Like why wouldn't his dad,instead of giving him fucking
riddles and being like blah,blah, blah, just be like no, I'm
not sleeping with your fuckingwife, you asshole.

Amanda (22:58):
Well, he kind of did because he said, scared for you,
she wasn't like because we'rebanging or porking each other in
the chops as I now know what tobe called like, because I
remember thinking that too after.
So I did watch.
I watched it two months agowhen we were going to record.
And then I watched it today andI remember thinking that it was
going to be more vague.
And then when I watched ittoday, I'm like no, like yes, he

(23:20):
doesn't actually come out andsay jack, we're not sleeping
together.
But he does say like.
He's like why is she callingyou?
He doesn't ask him at thatpoint are you sleeping with her?
He says why are you?
Why is she calling you?
And he's like because she'sscared for you, because she's
afraid.

Kip (23:36):
That's not a terrible explanation I don't know and,
like sarah, just being sofucking like elusive and just
like it doesn't matter.
And it's like, well, it clearlyfucking does matter to him,
like he's going through hell.
You cared about this man atsome point.

Amanda (23:51):
Give him some fucking peace and I don't know if you
thought your husband wasunstable, though, and you're
going through this contentiousdivorce that he's not letting go
.
Would you give him the name ofthe new person you were dating?

Kip (24:02):
Well, I don't know, but it's just like in this capacity
I just felt like no one wasbeing straight with Jack, and I
can't necessarily fault him forgetting extremely frustrated
that he feels like no one'sbeing honest with him.

Amanda (24:17):
Fair, can you fault him for pulling her phone records?

Theresa (24:21):
That was weird.
I mean, you do what you gottado.

Amanda (24:25):
I'm gonna tell you my experience in life is that the
criminal justice system mightfault you for that right.
It's, it's extreme like this isnot.
I think she has the right to beafraid.
I think his dad has the rightto be concerned.
This is not a normal behaviorfor anyone, but definitely not

(24:47):
normal behavior for stoic,well-put-together Dr Jack.
Like he can't, there's thatscene where he can't even answer
the nurse because, he's soobsessed.

Kip (24:57):
I don't know if he is like stoic and well-put-together.
Most of this backstory of Jackis that he's always in like
panicking or he's doingsomething wrong because he's
like kissing the, the daughterof the man he's operating on,
like he's always kind of fuckingup and like I don't know.
It's just I felt a little onjack's side being like, yeah, if

(25:20):
these people could just fuckingcommunicate something a little
bit better, he might not havefelt the need to barge into his
death a a meeting oh god superawkward and assault him, yeah
and I think, where I kind ofcome on this is like I don't
know, having dealt with lots ofpeople like this, if information

(25:44):
would have actually helped himat that point.

Amanda (25:46):
Like I don't think necessarily that her being, like
his name is John Smith, I methim at a coffee shop and we've
been banging for six months wasgoing to result in Jack being
like oh my God, thank you,that's all I need to know and
walk away.

Kip (25:59):
Yeah, because I do also have in my notes, like her
telling Jack wouldn't, hewouldn't have stopped, he would
just be like I'm going to findout the next thing and the next
thing.

Amanda (26:07):
So that's why I don't necessarily I think that that's
why they didn't necessarily givehim a straight answer
Particularly, I think, for Sarahis, like she's, I think she is
worried, like he has become likeobsessed with this idea of like
saving their marriage and likefiguring out what's going on,
and that like if because, likeshe said at the end, right now

(26:27):
you have something to fix, likethat's part of it.
It's like he would just getmore information and then use
that to move on to the next stepof like okay, now I know who it
is and like now can I figureout this about him.
And so I think that, yeah, itwas probably frustrating for him
not to know, but I think itwould have been dangerous to
give him more information,because he is an intelligent man
and he is a capable man and heis dangerous at times, um, and I
think that he would have justkept running with it.

(26:48):
So I do understand why theythey didn't necessarily.
I think the fact that he showedup at his dad's aa meeting
realized it was an aa meetingwhat I would have liked to have
seen in that scene if, like it'sa great scene, but if, if it
was rational, real life.
What I think would have andshould have happened is he
should have been like oh shit,this is my dad's aa meeting.

(27:08):
The fact that he then like kindof doubled down and then used
it as an opportunity to likestill go at this point like you
followed him there thinking hewas going to hook up with your
wife that's you now haveconcrete proof that that's not
what's happening.
He's at an aa meeting and youstill decide to go down this
path of attacking andhumiliating him at like a sacred

(27:29):
thing.

Kip (27:30):
It's completely unhinged yeah, it's, it's um.
I also don't think an a.
I mean, I've never been to an ameeting but I don't know if the
coordinator would be like whydon't you take a seat and join
us?

Amanda (27:44):
I would have to assume that, saying to him your dad has
told us about you would be somesort of confidentiality breach
Exactly.

Theresa (27:52):
I've also never been to an.

Amanda (27:53):
AA meeting, but I think they're supposed to be
confidential.

Kip (27:56):
I think so.
It would be one thing to askhim to stay.
What's the anonymous part?

Amanda (27:59):
It might be enough to be like hey, you seem troubled.

Kip (28:08):
Would you like to join us for?

Amanda (28:08):
some reflection and coffee.
Your father's told us about you.
I was like I don't think, so Idon't think you're supposed to
say that maybe the ass wentthrough him over the edge what
the fuck, why are you talkingabout me?
And why is this notconfidential like?
I always assumed it would be.

Kip (28:19):
Oh god, it was not a good light for Jack this flashback.

Theresa (28:24):
No, no, this is not my favorite iteration of Jack he.
I don't particularly love whenhe's like yelling and kind of
unhinged, but in this it wasjust like it.
Like it was like he startedkind of crazy and then just got
more and more insane and like II'm not a fan of the yelling,

(28:47):
I'm not a fan of the like kindof creepy, lurky, stocky.
Like I need to know, I needthis, I need that.
Like I don't love that part ofthe of him in this.

Amanda (28:58):
But I also understand like you're in a tough situation
, but I don't love it well, justhonestly, that last bit that
landed him in jail isn't theonly thing of that that should
have landed him in jail.
The stalking should have landedhim in jail.
The pulling her phone recordshould have landed him in jail.
Like he's quite lucky thatanyone cared enough about him at

(29:19):
that point to come in and gethim.
And I think that is them givinghim the benefit of the doubt.
Because it is like I know Ihear what you're saying about
how it's not completely out ofcharacter that he becomes
obsessive and like makes errors,but that level is, I think, out
of character for him.
Like he's not.
He's still a good man who caresand helps people.

(29:39):
Like I don't think he realizedthat his obsession was hurting
other people until kind of thatlike rock bottom moment and I
don't think he'd be okay withthat.
Like clearly something changesat this point because we get to
that part at the end which Idon't want to talk about yet,
but it's just very beautiful.
But, um, he just is, he's not.

(30:03):
He can't accept that.
That it's a classic jackepisode of showing us what is
ultimately the big overarchingthing for jack.
He cannot let go and he cannotaccept what's happening to him.
And we see it on island withjulianne like she's not being,
like yeah, she, they're holdinghim captive, it's not great that

(30:24):
totally, but she's being quitefriend like reasonable yeah
polite and and he can't playball right well, he's

Kip (30:31):
being polite I can't, I can't, yeah, okay, but he's
being held against his will forsure.

Amanda (30:36):
No, no, I don't think he's up.
I think what he does on Islandmakes more sense than what he
does A hundred percent flashback.

Kip (30:45):
Yeah, I don't know, it's tough.

Amanda (30:48):
He's.
He does a great job LikeMatthew Fox is none of the
criticism of these scenes is acriticism of his acting.

Kip (30:55):
I was just thinking, like you know.
So, as everybody knows, MatthewFox wasn't in the documentary.
He's really sort of taken astep back from the spotlight
since lost.
Been in a few things, nothinglike huge.
But I ever wonder if, likemaybe six years of like yelling

(31:15):
at the top of your lungs almostevery episode was just like holy
fuck, I'm done with this shit,Like they put them through so
much intensity.

Amanda (31:25):
He has an exceptionally emotional story arc.

Kip (31:27):
Yeah, it's so intense and like that would be a lot as a
human being and an actor to doand then be like oh my God, I'm
done, I'm just done.

Amanda (31:37):
That's the thing is like a lot of people are like, oh,
he stepped away because of thisand it wasn't his choice, and
this and that I wouldn.
It's like a lot of people arelike, oh, he stepped away
because of this and it wasn'this choice, and this and that I
wouldn't be surprised here thatit was entirely.

Kip (31:49):
Matthew fox's choice to take years off from.
This was an exceptionally,emotionally very taxing, taxing
role from day one, yeah, ofrunning out onto the beach.

Amanda (31:54):
Yeah, today, whatever it is when it ends, it's nothing
but intense emotion for matthewfox yeah, and then he carried
the show as the lead, whichmeans all the press, all of the
interviews, all of the downtime,you know, and I think he had a
family and I think he was doinga few like things on the side,
like movies and stuff.

(32:14):
Like I have to assume, matthewFox is just solely exhausted at
this point.

Kip (32:21):
I mean after, like, oh my God, six seasons of this.

Amanda (32:24):
Yeah.

Kip (32:24):
Yeah so.

Amanda (32:26):
So, but it is, this is a and the thing is he like I get
emotional watching it.
Like I, I feel for him.

Kip (32:34):
Because he's so good Like Matthew Fox is an actor.

Theresa (32:37):
Oh yeah, he did a great job.

Amanda (32:40):
And it's just like it could be almost comical if it
was with a lesser actor yeah, itwould be like, oh god, the
secondhand embarrassment I haveyeah, cringy, but like no, he
sells it so good no, I feel somuch, I fundamentally disagree
with everything he's puttinghimself, sarah and his father
through, but I feel that likerawness and, like you know, he

(33:05):
like he's at a point like whenhis dad, what really for me is
kind of the point where Irealize he's, he's kind of gone
at this point, he's kind of goneoff.
The deep end is when his dadcomes in, when he's phoning
people and he doesn't stop, hedoesn't try to hide.
He doesn't try to like yeah he'sstill doing it like as if, like

(33:25):
, this is yeah what he does nowand it's totally fine, totally
normal, yeah, yeah no, big dealyeah like he's gone to a dark
place by that point yeah rightand that's scary and it's, you
know, I feel for everyoneinvolved, because he didn't want
to end up there, right.

Kip (33:43):
Yeah, all right, let's move to on island.

Amanda (33:46):
Yeah.

Kip (33:46):
This is getting tense Just thinking about Matthew Fox's
performance.
So we don't know, let's.
Let's move to Kate Sawyer.
Let's talk about Kate first.
Like the dress thing was weird.
Her whole, that whole fuckingthing was just bizarre, so weird
.
I don't, I don't like I.

(34:06):
I kind of understand some ofthe things ben's saying based on
what's coming up, but it alsois just like bizarre to me it's
so unsettling yeah, it's so likeis he literally just trying to
fuck with her?

Theresa (34:18):
I.

Amanda (34:19):
I feel like everything he does is a psychological game
like, unless he is just like,unless it was like more of a
storyline choice of like, stilltrying to paint ben in a certain
light like ben's a creep likeben's gonna take the female of
the group that he's taken andlike clean her and put her in a

(34:41):
dresser up like a doll and likeworship her a little bit more.
So I wasn't sure if it was likekind of that.
But then it is also like weknow that her being a female of
a certain you know demographicis going to be important to him,
knowing what we know comingdown the pipeline.

(35:03):
So it's like, does he just givecare to all women?
Is he creepy or is it just thatwomen are very important to
them, or is it?

Kip (35:12):
he's like putting, like, like you say, a psychological
test to see maybe what hisfuture with kate is yeah, it was
very bizarre, but it's fuckingweird, it's unsettling, it's so
creepy and like, yeah, theshower scene, she gets a change
of clothes, breakfast on thebeach and this very like
honeymoon-esque type thing whenshe like walks to the beach and

(35:34):
he's just sitting there like I'mlike no absolutely not just
shoot me now shoot me oh yeahand just and then.

Amanda (35:43):
But then that like delivery, like fuck, he's a good
actor too like michael emerson,uh, who was delightful in the
documentary as well.
Um, but fuck, like when he'sjust like, which is like?
Why are you doing this?
He's just like I wanted youhave all these things because
the next two weeks for me verydifficult I'm like holy shit,
like I got chills.

Kip (36:01):
I'm like that's just a deadpan delivery of that.

Amanda (36:05):
Like it's coming, yeah, and she acts it really well too,
because you can just see herface drop.

Theresa (36:11):
Exactly.

Amanda (36:12):
Because she's playing it kind of like I don't care.
And then when he says that herwhole like just this, also like
what the fuck does that mean?

Kip (36:22):
What's going to happen?

Amanda (36:22):
Very well done it's really, the level of tension in
this episode is so good.

Theresa (36:27):
So much tension.

Amanda (36:28):
And you know it's kind of funny.
So we get Kate being kind ofcoddled and cherished by Ben.

Kip (36:37):
And we get.

Amanda (36:38):
Juliet patiently helping Jack, come to whatever it is.

Kip (36:43):
And then we get.

Amanda (36:43):
Sawyer in a cage.
It's clearly just the.

Kip (36:50):
At this point he's almost just like we need a light a
lightness to the episode Somecomic relief.

Theresa (36:55):
Let's put him in a cage .

Kip (36:57):
And get him to figure out the bear that was funny.

Amanda (37:00):
He's like it only took the bear like two hours and he's
like dancing when he got it.

Kip (37:04):
so good yeah so good no, so this was like classic sawyer.

Amanda (37:09):
It was really good yeah if I was gonna be in a situation
like what they're in right now,I would fucking want to be a
sawyer.
Like you know, that sawyer isgoing to like keep spirit, like
yeah, if, like I was like dyingin a desert, I would want sawyer
there.
I think he could like keep you.
Like, yeah, if, like I, waslike dying in a desert, I would
want sawyer there.
I think he could like keep youalive with just like his
personality yeah and likeperseverance and stuff.

Kip (37:30):
Yeah, yeah, so, um, yeah, kate has this weird interaction
with ben that gets dragged backto the cages, where he's in a
cage with some guy named Carl,who we do learn much more about
but don't know anything about atthis time.
Juliet's pretty badass knocksCarl out.

Amanda (37:50):
Yeah, that was so funny, or?

Kip (37:51):
is it Sawyer?
She knocks out.
I think Sawyer, oh yeah becauseI'm like oh my God, it's their
first interaction.

Amanda (37:57):
I know, yeah, so she knocks Sawyer out, yeah, yeah,
and that's the thing, right,it's like, it's super, I think,
good of us to again.
It's like one of those thingswhere we see her as kind of like
emotionally vulnerable and inher flashback for lack of a
better word, it is older thanthe time and then we see her as

(38:17):
like very calm and peaceful andpleasant with jack, but then we
can see that that's not all shehas no, there's a lot more to
her she's.
This is a choice with jack likeshe's choosing, because if she
wanted to, she could just beheavy-handed with jack as well.
Yeah, right, so that was, Ithink, really shocking to me.
I was like, okay, all right,there, there's her other hood

(38:39):
coming out.

Kip (38:39):
Yeah, totally Others 101.
Yeah, and so we don't reallyget much out of Sawyer and Kate
other than just they're in thisnew predicament.
And it is kind of shocking,coming from season two where it
was beach heavy.
Now we're in a totally new set,totally new scenery, totally

(39:02):
new place.
Don't know anything about it.
Kate and Sawyer are locked incages that are very zoo-like,
and Jack's in some internalprison cell.
That's.

Theresa (39:14):
Greenish and weird.

Kip (39:17):
And okay.
So then like he gets Funny storywhen I was researching, when he
like climbs that chain thing ortries to when you commented on
it I was like it's funny, causeI came up with some of the
research where I don't know ifit was cause it's interesting
how JJ wrote, co-wrote thisepisode when he really didn't

(39:38):
have kind of, after the firstcouple episodes of season one,
he took a step back to do otherthings and, as we learned in the
documentary and then so it'sreally cool to see that he
actually did come back and writea couple episodes, this one
included.
But um, so I think it was jj,it could have been carlton or
damon, but he said to jackbender like what you're gonna?

(39:59):
What's like he's gonna climb achain, like what the hell is
that?
And he and jack bender wasquoted as saying don't worry,
matthew fox will sell it.
Yeah, and he did like as pertheresa's commentary but it's
just like he's in this weirdplace where there's chains and

(40:21):
tables and one-way glass ortwo-way, I guess, just regular
glass, it's just glass, two-wayglass, two-way glass as it's
known.

Amanda (40:31):
Yeah, no, it's.
He's doing well for himself interms of his abilities in there.

Kip (40:38):
And yeah, and Juliet's just like this whole back and forth
and they have him his whole lifein a dossier or folder.

Theresa (40:47):
She says yeah yeah, like that'd be unsettling that'd
be.
So I'd be like okay and we'redone.

Kip (40:53):
How, how thick would your dossier be if someone presented
you with your folder of yourlife?
Mine would be pretty thin Ithink, oh, no way yeah your
family alone oh, I guess.
I guess, if you add my family,then it would be quite thick
your dynamics, mine might bequite pleasantly plump, yeah, I

(41:17):
think mine would be too I meaneverybody's is, I guess, right
like no one lives actually asimple life.

Amanda (41:22):
Everyone's got complexes and what ends up being like.
Because essentially like, whycompile things like those
dossiers is to be able to kindof get an in right, like to get
you know sometimes what youthink is important isn't
important and things you don'tthink are important are
important.
So I actually do think all ofour dossiers would be quite

(41:45):
plump yeah but because, yeah,then she ends up knowing stuff
about sarah, she ends up knowingabout, yeah, but so you know
it's interesting, like what,when you're first watching this,
like what do you think is like?
Let's just, you know, take itback to when we didn't know what
was going on.
When you, you first saw this,what did you think was the point

(42:06):
of having Sawyer where he was,having Kate where she was?
What did you think Juliet'strying to do with Jack?
Like what was your thoughts?

Kip (42:13):
I mean, I think it's hard for me to remember, but like I
think maybe it was justseparation and kind of like when
police separate suspects to seeif, like, the stories jive.
But I don't think they weretrying to see if their stories
jive, obviously because theyknow everything about them, but
just to to see maybe what theycould learn when they're

(42:35):
separated and individualized andjust how maybe they act.
And ben and his fucking mindgames is probably just like
questions, exactly like oh, Ijust need to learn your first,
in that order.
Like like what does that matter?
But like he's got weird mindgames like so I think that was
it is just what do they learnseeing how they act?

(42:56):
And then what can they useagainst them?
Like obviously ben feels nowthat kate is more inclined to
know about sawyer, so he's like,oh, I can probably use that
against her and Sawyer.

Theresa (43:10):
Yeah, yeah, I kind of thought something similar, like
kind of like um, like aninterrogation or something like
that, like why else would youseparate them?
But also to kind of like putfear in them for like the people
that they're with, and likekind of use that to like
manipulate them to get what theywant out of them.

Amanda (43:31):
What do?

Theresa (43:31):
they want out of them, kind of what do they want out of
them?
Is that?
That's my point, is like whenyou first saw this like what's
the end game here?

Amanda (43:34):
no, no idea, like literally none, and that's what
I mean.
Like isn't that crazy yeah,like when you really think about
that, like most shows, youwould have some inkling of like
where this was going.
I have zero if I don't know.
Do you know what?
I mean and this idea that, likewhat if they have this island
and they have a society, andthey're there and they don't
want them?

Kip (43:53):
they're just why aren't they killing them?
Kill them.
And the even crazier, that it'sseason three I know and now
we're, we're met with thisentirely new mystery.
Exactly that.
What do they want with them?

Amanda (44:03):
because, if it, really is just that they're there and
at this point they do know a lotabout how, who, all they are,
etc.
But there's like clearlysomething so much more sinister
at play here that like I can'teven fathom yeah yeah, and to
think back on the idea which wasagain confer, which is everyone
has kind of known this foryears but they did talk about in
the documentary that ben inparticular was not supposed to

(44:25):
be a character Like, he wassupposed to have a three
character arc and the got anymilk solidified him as coming on
, so he wasn't even supposed toplay the role he is.
So what would have been the?

Kip (44:36):
trajectory.
That's kind of crazy to thinkabout.
Yeah, that's actuallyinteresting.
Like I wonder, like would itjust be?

Amanda (44:43):
Juliet, would it have been, or is this a whole thing
new?
Like what do they want withthem?
Would it just be Juliet, wouldit have been, or is this a whole
thing new, like what do theywant with them?
It's really even knowing kindof what's coming.
I'm still like it's soconvoluted in the best way.
Convoluted has kind of apejorative sound to it, but I
really mean it in like a morelike a very complicated yeah
that you can't even fathom.
Really it's crazy's crazy.

Theresa (45:05):
no, and and you're right like, especially when you
think of movies or shows,whenever there's like a villain,
and in this case we assume,based on what we've learned in
the last two seasons, that theothers are the villain to our um
like little yeah to like ourcastaways or whatever, like we
don't know the intent and thatis, you're right Like very scary

(45:29):
, unsettling yeah.

Amanda (45:30):
And so I almost feel like you're feeling it with Jack
Caden swear A lot of times theaudience, in lots of things, the
audience knows less.
In some things, the audienceknows more than the characters.
In this.
I feel like I I know what thecharacters know, which is very
little almost nothing.
Almost nothing.
And I'm like like I wouldimagine at a certain point
Sawyer's probably like they'reall thinking just kill us then.

(45:51):
Like what do you want?

Kip (45:52):
Like we came here with nothing.

Theresa (45:54):
It's almost like they're just being played with.

Amanda (45:56):
Yeah, yeah.
So it's really, it's cool, butit's scary, and I think the
whole, like the way everyone,everyone's kind of playing it

(46:17):
right now, like tom is kind oflike the bad cop to juliet's
good cop and ben kind of beingthe like overseer, um.
And then we see, though, thatben will also so, talking about
the on island stuff, and howjack does, jack does eventually
juliet's trying to get him toeat food, whatever, and he
eventually attacks her to try toescape.
Yeah, uh, makes sense.
I think that's pretty on brandand I mean, shoot your shot, you
know, um.
But what I found interestingabout that scene is that ben is
very quick to cut juliet,totally like oh yeah he's ready,

(46:42):
just like.

Kip (46:42):
All right, she'll die anyway.

Amanda (46:44):
Yeah so it's terrifying so then it's also like now we
have this new layer of likeshe's part of the bad guys, but
like even the bad guys arewilling to turn on each other.

Kip (46:54):
She's dispensable like who is dispensable.

Amanda (46:56):
Who's not?
Is it because they have ahistory?
Or is it just because he woulddo that to anyone like I don't
know?
Um, but how shocked were you tofind out that they're on a
submarine they're not aren'tthey on a sub?
What are they in?
No, they're in an aquarium well, you know what I mean, though
like underwater underwaterunderwater like yeah, that's
what I meant yeah, it wasshocking yeah, like they're

(47:18):
submerged they're submerged.
They're submerged I wasthinking about this finale
spoiler alert there's asubmarine near water.
I'm not sure, that's a bigspoiler alert you guys like?

Kip (47:31):
no, it was very surprising to be like thinking, oh, they're
underwater and why?
But why so did something floodor break?
Because why would that doorjust open to water?

Amanda (47:41):
I don't know.
I don't know enough aboutunderwater I don't know how
aquariums work I don't reallylike water doors to the ocean.
I don't think so.
I don't think there's door.

Kip (47:46):
I don't know how aquariums work.
I don't really like water.
I don't think there's doors tothe ocean.
I don't think so.
I don't think there's doors.

Amanda (47:50):
I don't think who's walking out that door.

Kip (47:53):
Yeah, what's the door there for Something must have broke
and it got flooded.
And then it's like, well, Iguess we can't get the water out
of there now, so nobody usedthat door.
Maybe, but yeah except maybe,but yeah, the fact that ben was
willing to be like okay, so yeahI'm gonna lock myself in this
room and save myself yeah, he'san asshole it was very scary,
very ominous, but yeah, sothat's kind of how it ends.

(48:15):
We just, it's like, we justdon't know nothing.

Amanda (48:17):
We're just like terrified for everybody well,
how it really ends is we getanother beautiful scene with
juliet and jack?

Theresa (48:25):
which scene where now she admits that she knows that
they know everything about.

Amanda (48:31):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah and we get what I think is a really
beautiful idea that things arechanging, which is we still are,
we're kind of.
This is still interspersed withthe flashbacks of him being
crazy about sarah and wanting toknow, like up until, like, she
walks away from him.
Right, she's like I want toknow who he is, and sarah says
it's not about who he is, it'sabout who you're not.

(48:53):
And then this idea that he hassomething to save now with his
father, and then on island, wehave juliet saying I know
everything about this and I knoweverything about sarah, and and
he and she's like what do youwant to know?
And you would think that hewants to still know, like the
name where he.
What's she doing?
Who's she with?
What happened with this?

(49:14):
and all he asks is if she'shappy and then she's, juliet
gives the sweetest like response, like she's really happy yeah
and jack just breaks down rightbecause, at the end of the day,
he is in a better place than hewas, I think, and he realizes
that what's important and what'snot.
And he, I do genuinely believein that moment that what matters

(49:35):
to him is if sarah is happy,and that is not what mattered to
him when he was at his lowestpoint with her right so I I get
chills with that scene because Ithink it's really beautiful.
It is beautiful and just seeingthat emotional catharsis for him
of like, okay, she's happy, Ihave to move on, this is my
reality.
And then it kind of like atthat point he's willing to kind

(49:58):
of give in to Juliet's requestthat he back down.

Kip (50:02):
Yeah.

Theresa (50:03):
So why do you think he was willing to accept it now?
Like why do you think he waswilling to accept it now?
Like why do you think that thatwas his question and not Well.

Amanda (50:14):
I think it's because he, you know, I think what, what
we're supposed to glean and kindof everything we've seen so far
is that incident with hisfather and, like the AA meeting
is what sends Christian back ona downward spiral, which sends
him back into the drinking andstuff, which sends him back into
getting fired, which sends himinto Australia, which sends Jack

(50:35):
to Australia and Christianbeing dead.
And so I think Jack probably hasdone a bit of an emotional, you
know, come to Jesus moment.
Yeah, about my actions,directly or indirectly, have
hurt a lot of people.
Yeah, and they have led me.
They've led me to not only mylosing my father and losing

(50:58):
everything.
But now I'm here, I'mresponsible for people who are
getting hurt.
I'm responsible for us beinghere, I'm responsible for us
being kidnapped.
He takes a lot on himself and Ithink he's just realizing now
that, like, in the end, whatreally only matters is like if
the people you love are okay andsafe and happy and he's not as

(51:19):
worried anymore about he'srealized it like she said it
doesn't matter what happened ordidn't happen, it just matters
that she's okay.

Kip (51:27):
It doesn't matter what happened or didn't happen, it
just matters that she's okay.
Like 68 days of him goingthrough everything on the island
has really like.
What brought him to the islandis his dad and all that and it
really has changed him.

Amanda (51:39):
And like you're starting , to see it.

Kip (51:41):
You're starting to see that change, which is really cool
when you think of the show, thatwe're starting to see that
character change and like fromwhere he was day one to where he
is now, to where we eventuallyget to see him like it's a long
journey, but it's really a goodreminder that here we are in
season three, episode one, andwe're starting to see that
change happen and so it's likesome consistency is really nice

(52:02):
and you know it just again leadsto why we love this Just the
character development and thecharacter arcs are just so
gorgeous.

Amanda (52:10):
I bawled I'm not gonna lie when he said is she happy?
And then she said and then shejust has that perfect.
Like you got like watch itagain If you haven't watched in
a bit like she just.
I think she's also expecting,based on everything she knows
about jack, for him to say whereis she?

Kip (52:30):
what's she doing?

Amanda (52:30):
because then it's like when he asked that she has a
piece on her face she's likeshe's yes, she is happy, like
she's juliet almost seems happythat this is what the place
jack's at with it.
And then when he kind of losesit, it's just like, you know,
it's a little thing, but it itjust I don't know.
It means so much to me as a, asa someone rooting for jack,

(52:52):
that, like he can, it's like, oh, he's come so far he's grown,
piece of yeah and it's hard towatch because clearly it's still
hard for him but, like you,know that that's a piece of the
growth and healing he needs todo.

Kip (53:05):
Exactly, yeah, no, it's very, very good.
So I think we're ready for somecharacter ranking.

Amanda (53:13):
Let's see.

Kip (53:14):
Do we have them?

Theresa (53:15):
Before we get to character rankings, I just want
to talk about one quick note.
Okay, Just one more time.
The note that Kip wrote on ourcute little whiteboard is um,
Jack's so hot.

Amanda (53:29):
You don't think we covered that enough?
No, I just needed to bring itup one more time Like yoza, oh
boy.
You know, I think we need totalk about one other thing.
That's just on the notepad,because we did talk about this
in an overarching thing, but Idon't think we really
concentrated on this enough.
It is weird that Jack thinkssarah's calling his dad, like I

(53:50):
know it's the phone call, but isit that strange that your, your
wife, would call her?

Kip (53:54):
yeah, your father-in-law I know it's just like it's parent
like took you there he's crossedinto paranoia, yeah, like he's
just lost essentially he'slooking for any connection to,
like, draw to, and it's justlike because that is exactly how
it's written.

Amanda (54:11):
Jack thinking it's his fault, it's his dad, is weird it
is weird it is super weird itis weird if my ex called my dad
or my mom, I get whatever thewhatever it is, I would not be
like you guys.
Are ph boning?
I'd be like I don't know.
You guys also had arelationship of some sort for
years.
Maybe you're still in touch.

Kip (54:31):
No, they're porking in the chops.

Theresa (54:33):
They're porking in the chops.
No, he's just looking foranswers anywhere.
He's just grasping at straws,totally.

Amanda (54:39):
Alright, do we have character rankings?
Of course we have characterrankings and is.

Theresa (54:43):
Julia, just automatically at the top,
despite starting at zero pointswhen everyone else is in the
thousands.

Amanda (54:49):
Did she get a bonus 10,000 points for the sparkle in
her eye?

Theresa (54:55):
no, but I do love her.
I'm going to turn our mics down, alright, so I still have Walt
and Mike on here, but I can takethem off for the next one.
But at number 16 we haveMichael with negative 7, 815,
then we have charlie withnegative 585, ben with negative

(55:15):
85, juliette with negative 30,walt with 315.
Claire with 780.
Locke with 1070.
Jack with 1120.
Sir with 1,225.
Why was I saying numbers likethat?

(55:36):
It was so weird.
Then our top five we have Jinwith 1,275.
Sun with 1,680.
Echo with 1,695.
Saeed with 1,680.
Echo with 1,695.
Saeed with 1,855.
And at the top, our number onespot, our sweet, sweet Hurley

(55:57):
with 2,225.

Kip (56:00):
Okay, this is interesting because it's a brand new season
and obviously the points carryover.
So it's like, yeah, thesecharacters are going to have a
long way to climb.
If they're going to climb, theymay not, we know one will I
know I wonder if there's likealmost like.

Amanda (56:15):
I'm not good at this stuff, but I wonder if there was
like some way to run some realstats on your character rankings
like what do you?
Mean like if you took out likecertain variables and put like
limits and stuff on certainthings, like if we could try to
like even out to really figureout who is like certain people
have come and gone, so they theykind of become stagnant at

(56:38):
where they are versus somepeople who need time to catch up
, like you're saying so reallylike if Juliet ends up with a
thousand points and Hurley stillgets to like 3000.
And so he stays at the top ofyour rankings.
Is that truly all encompassingof how you truly feel about
where the character should be?
You know what?

Kip (56:58):
I'm saying I think, like perhaps what we'll do is keep
your rankings as is, but what Iwhat I'll need is the number
that they changed from the lastepisode, the last episode being
the finale of season two becausethen that will be the true
representation.
If Jack gained this many, he'sactually at this level for
season three and Juliet is atthis level for season three.

(57:20):
You know what I mean.

Amanda (57:21):
Because it'll never like Juliet can't I just like the
characters, or I don't like it,no, but what I think we're
getting at is like to show trulyyour feelings on where these
characters are.
Juliet can't catch up to Hurleyanytime soon.

Kip (57:38):
Because I have the rankings from the when.
I edit it.
I track everything to make thatfun graphic.
So we'll be able to, becauseHurley obviously got no points
this episode.
He wasn't in it.

Theresa (57:52):
Right.

Kip (57:53):
So this is just his ranking from actually last season, but
he's still at the top.
So what we'll do is we'll justsee, okay, whoever got points
per episode.
It's almost like a.
We'll continue your.
You don't change anything,teresa, you per episode.
It's almost like a a we'llcontinue your, you don't change
anything.
Teresa, you do what you do,don't change anything, but we'll
be able to look and see howpeople were ranked per episode

(58:16):
and like start.
I can take those numbers,because Jack is at this and he
was at that, so I can infer thathe grew by this many, so he
actually has the.
The number that he grew by, ormany, so he actually has the.
The number that he grew by orshrank by is how many he got
this.

Amanda (58:29):
It's like representational, of like where
your feelings are at, with themin the present, as opposed to
just like overarching throughthe whole series because if
every character from season onewas in it to season six, then
that would be a truerepresentation of where they
rank, but because now Anna Luciacannot gain any points she

(58:53):
might end up being below Michaelif he came back and got, for
example.
No, I'm just saying in theorythat could happen, but Michael
would never be a character youlike more than Anna Lucia.

Kip (59:04):
Yeah, right.

Amanda (59:06):
That's what I'm getting at.
Yeah, I getcha I gotcha.

Kip (59:07):
You don't got to change anything, yeah.

Theresa (59:09):
Okay, you do, and I got this, yeah, yeah.
At first I was like why don't Ihave?

Kip (59:12):
to know you don't have to do anything different.

Theresa (59:20):
We don't like never change, never change.

Kip (59:25):
Okay, well, let's see what we thought.
I mean, it's a pretty standardepisode.
I'm going to rank it a good 10out of 10.

Theresa (59:34):
Oh damn.

Amanda (59:37):
I love this episode.
It's just a standard episode,so 10 out of 10.

Theresa (59:44):
Standard for loss 10 out of 10.
I love that.
That's a great quote.
That's a good one, All right.

Kip (59:48):
Teresa, would you rank it?
I give it an 8.
I love that.
That's a great quote.

Theresa (59:50):
That's a good one.
All right, teresa.
What'd you rank it?
I give it an 8.5.

Kip (59:52):
Okay.

Theresa (59:52):
It's not my favorite episode.
It's a great episode.
I love Juliet.
She is a bad quote, unquote badguy because she's an other, but
like can't help but love herstill somehow.
Like it's crazy.
Yeah, good episode overall,didn't love all the yelling.

Amanda (01:00:14):
I just never do um.
He is yelly yeah, yeah, yeah, Iwould also give it a 10 out of
10.
I most it's a standard episodefor loss.
So 10 out of 10.
As we've come to know, I thinkmost premieres and finales of
this show in particular aregoing to rank very high.
Um, I do appreciate that.

(01:00:34):
Um, we get a lot of like.
I also do usually like jack'sbackstory because he's a really
important character.
So any sort of insight into areally important character is
helpful.
I think I've said in the pastlike they frustrate me.
Frustrating me doesn't mean Idon't like them, like I don't
like.
I said I don't agree with whathe's doing in this episode, but

(01:00:55):
I think it shows us like a lotabout him and the stuff on
Island I think is all reallygood.
So I think it's a really solidstart to a third season, which
you know, a lot of times twosecond, third seasons can start
to get that kind of likesophomore mid-range slump and
this is just like gold yeah, andit's the.

(01:01:19):
It's the last season of a full20 plus episode season, so and I
just want to say, in terms ofintroducing these characters, I
do appreciate that other showsintroduce characters throughout,
like people come and go, theywant to infuse new blood, etc.
But this show to me is likeJuliet's, a new character, but
it seems whether this isaccurate or not that she's new

(01:01:42):
but was always supposed to bethere, like it was always going
to be, that she was a part ofthis universe Right, we just
hadn't gotten to her yet.
As opposed to be that she was apart of this universe right, we
just hadn't gotten to her yet.

Kip (01:01:49):
As opposed to just introducing her for the sake of
yeah, new blood, I mean andthat's hard to do the fact like,
as you mentioned, the fact thatit opened with this brand new
character we had never seenbefore and, like you said, we're
feeling for her already andconnecting with her already is
insanely amazing, yeah yeah andjust like I think it, just

(01:02:11):
exactly like you said, it feelslike she should be here already.

Amanda (01:02:14):
We're just finally getting to her.

Theresa (01:02:16):
Yeah, exactly, introducing her, and it's great
storytelling, it's greatcharacter development, because
that's a lot of development inone episode.
Totally Like it's it's so welldone yeah.

Kip (01:02:30):
Alrighty.
Well, that's it for the seasonthree, uh premiere.
So thanks for listening toeverybody.
We'll, uh we'll, see you nextweek.

Amanda (01:02:37):
See you for the last full season of.
Lost.

Kip (01:02:41):
All right, bye.

Amanda (01:02:42):
Bye.