February 28, 2025 • 60 mins
Are you ready to dive into the unforgettable world of Gen X nostalgia? In this episode, we explore the beautiful chaos of growing up through personal stories, memories of childhood arcades, and the wild days of musical festivals. Join us for a rollercoaster ride as we reflect on the laughter and confusion that made our youth so unique. What's more, we take an unexpected turn into the darkly fascinating world of the Zizians cult—an elusive group that blends technology, veganism, and radical beliefs in a way that will leave you both amused and puzzled.
Throughout our conversation, we shine a spotlight on the legendary Lollapalooza festival. With its roots deeply entrenched in the alternative music scene of the '90s, this festival not only showcased iconic bands but also represented the broader cultural shifts of our generation. We recount our own experiences at this eclectic celebration of music and art, filling the airwaves with nostalgia and knowing laughter.
As we navigate these themes, we encourage you, our listeners, to tune into the wild memories that reflect our shared Gen X experiences. Expect heartfelt stories, some serious discussions, and plenty of laughs along the way. You won't want to miss this nostalgic journey filled with themes ranging from music and friendship to bizarre cultural phenomena.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Two best friends.
We're talking the past, frommistakes to arcades.
We're having a blast.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Teenage dreams, neon screens, it was all rad and no
one knew me Like you know.
It's like whatever.
Together forever, we're nevergonna sever Laughing and sharing
our stories forever.
We'll take you back.
It's like whatever.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Welcome to Like Whatever a podcast for, by and
about Gen X.
I'm Nicole and this is my BFF,heather.
Hello, so I have something thatI heard on the news today that
I want to talk about.
Okay, but I am dying to hearabout the Americas.
Oh my gosh, it was so good and.
(00:51):
I'm so mad because I have beenlooking forward to it for weeks
and I forgot about it.
And you text me at like 812.
And I was like, well, I don'twant to put it on now, like I'll
just catch it in a rerunsomewhere.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
But it was awesome, I'll just catch it and earn a
rerun somewhere, but it wasawesome.
Do you have Peacock?
Yeah, it's on Peacock now.
Okay, it is.
I watched the first two.
I missed the third one and Ihaven't watched them yet, but
the first one, the one I meanfirst of all, it's Tom Hanks.
Yeah, so yeah.
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Second of all, I guess it's thesame people that did planet
earth.
Oh yeah, um, it's the one I didwatch all the way through, was
in the chesapeake oh, very coolyeah so it was, and it was a
bald eagle, and this bald eaglemean the ospreys came back and,
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like I, lived here my whole life.
I know I've lived at the beach,I know the ospreys come and go
and I know what I knoweverything about.
I don't know everything aboutthem, but I know about the
ospreys.
I didn't think about the factthat eagles and ospreys were not
compatible, because when I grewup we didn't have any bald
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eagles at the beach.
I don't think we still havethem there, right they're inland
yeah, and we?
Speaker 1 (02:14):
I don't think we had any around here at all.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Now they're everywhere, yeah, so I don't
know.
It was just really cool, it wasvery well done.
The shots a lot of the shotsare just fucking amazing.
They're just beautiful and Icannot wait to watch.
The only thing I don't likeabout it and I don't like about
all those nature shows Iunderstand it's the circle of
life.
I know what is prey and I knowwhat are predators and I know
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how it's going to go, but Idon't want to see it.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
I know where my burger comes from.
I just don't want to watch ithappen.
Yeah, I just want to pet a cowand then eat a hamburger.
I don't want those two worldsto collide.
So that's the one thing I hateabout watching those shows.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
But I highly recommend it.
It was stunning Good.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
That's good to know.
I will watch it.
So my thing this week I waslistening to the news and there
is a new cult story in the news.
Have you heard of them?
Speaker 2 (03:22):
I have the Zizians.
I've heard of them for a coupleof weeks now.
They did it on last podcast onthe left, oh, okay.
We've been talking about it fora couple weeks now.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Okay, yep.
So I pulled this informationfrom the Associated Press so
I'll read to you real quick, incase you haven't heard of it.
The apparent leader of acult-like group known as the
Zizians was arrested in Maryland, along with another member of
the group.
Am I saying it right, zizians?
Yes, okay, jack Lasoda, 34years old, was arrested Sunday
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along with Michelle Zizieko, 33,of Media Pennsylvania, which is
another thing that's cool aboutthis, because Maryland and
Pennsylvania are our neighbors,so kind of close.
They face multiple charges,including trespassing,
obstructing and hindering, andpossession of a handgun in the
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vehicle.
The Zizians have been tied tothe killing of US Border Patrol
agent David Maland near theCanadian border in January I
remember very vividly when thathappened and five other
homicides in Vermont,pennsylvania and California.
Mayland, 44, was killed in aJanuary 20 shootout following a
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traffic stop in Coventry,vermont, a small town about 20
miles from the Canadian border.
Officials have offered fewdetails of the cross-country
investigation which broke openafter the January 20th shooting
death of Maland.
Associated press interviews anda review of the court records
and online postings tell thestory of how a group of young,
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highly intelligent computerscientists, most of them in
their 20s and 30s, met online,shared anarchist beliefs and
became increasingly violent.
You gotta watch out for thesmart ones.
Their goals aren't clear, butonline writing spanned topics
from radical veganism and genderidentity to artificial
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intelligence.
But the thing that caught myear when I was listening to it
on the news was they called themtech-savvy vegans, and I don't
know why, but it made me bellyroll for like 15 minutes Like I
would forget, and then I'dremember again and bust out
laughing like tech savvy vegans,just you know, sorry, I can
never.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
There's no way I could be a vegan because I don't
eat vegetables, so that wouldbe I would die.
I don't think you, so thatwould be, I would die.
I don't think you can just liveon carrots and broccoli, I just
, oh, you know vegans.
Having had restaurantexperience for the past 40 years
has really made me hate vegansa lot.
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Give it to them, they are just.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Sorry, Continuing on.
At the middle of it all is Ziz,who appears to be the leader of
the strange group members whocall themselves Zizians.
She has been seen near multiplecrime scenes and has
connections to various suspects.
Lasoda published a dark andsometimes violent blog under the
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name Ziz and in one sectiondescribed her theory that the
two hemispheres of the braincould hold separate values and
genders and often desire to killeach other.
Mind you Mine do Losota, whoused she her pronouns and in her
writing says she is atransgender woman, railed
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against perceived enemies,including so-called rationalist
groups which operate mostlyonline and seek to understand
human cognition through reasonand knowledge.
Some are concerned with thepotential dangers of artificial
intelligence and knowledge.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Some are concerned with the potential dangers of
artificial intelligence.
So, okay, I love a good cult, Ido.
Yeah, absolutely, I just love agood cult.
Although I still cannot wrap myhead around how someone I don't
either, but whatever, mostlybecause I am so anti things that
like if everybody likes it,then I'm gonna be like I've
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never seen harry potter becauseeverybody likes it and I refuse
to watch it because I don't careyeah, you don't like being told
what to do.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
I don't, I don't, so straight out the gate.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
I I would not be good in a cult Because I would be
like I'm just not doing that.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
No, that's dumb.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
So and then you add on to it that they're vegan.
Like, I am way out at thatpoint.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Right.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
I mean, I get the artificial.
Look, I don't want artificialintelligence either.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
I'm not.
Yeah, I know I sound very oldwhen I say this, but it kind of
creeps me out a little bit.
It's yeah.
Like, some of the little thingsyou've been doing with the
podcast are kind of neat and fun, yeah, but whew, some of the
stuff yeah, even I am dipping mytoe further in the AI than I
really would like to.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
But it's for the sake of the podcast for you people.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
You're such a trooper .
Yeah, I just I don't, I don'tknow.
And then I think the otherproblem is, you know, current
with the way the world not theworld the United States is
currently you, you have to thinkto yourself that poor
transgender community is justlike oh fuck, are you fucking
kidding me?
Speaker 1 (08:44):
right now.
Yeah, we've just finallystarted making a little headway.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Now you want to do this, like now is what you want
to do.
That's the part I have thebiggest problem with.
I just feel bad.
The transgender community getsso much shit anyway, and then
you got to throw this on top ofit.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
And now everybody's going be like see, yeah, we told
you, they were dangerous, eventhough.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
People are dangerous, like it's just exactly.
Anybody can be dangerousanywhere in the world, any color
of skin and anyone.
Anybody you worship, I meanyou're all dangerous like it's.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
There are small children that are dangerous.
Okay, it happens Fuck yeah, soI don't know, yeah, yeah, so
yeah, it just kind of caught myeye and I just kind of wanted to
share, because you know cultsare fun and I knew you'd have
opinions, so I wanted to knowwhat you had to say too.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
I have strong opinions on pretty much
everything.
Yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
So anything else you would like to share?
Speaker 2 (09:49):
No, that would be it, oh wait, I did One more thing
about the Americas because Ilooked on my phone and I
remember I wrote down what Iwanted to talk about.
Just one more thing they hadthe cactus with arms.
Oh yes, when Nicole and I wentto Sedona, the one thing on the
whole world that I wanted to dowas touch a cactus with arms.
(10:10):
Sbarro cactus, I don't knowwhat that is Cactus with arms.
You all know what a cactus witharms is.
We did find some on our tripfrom Phoenix to Sedona, and
they're literally everywhere,like just on the side of the
road and stuff, just like a tree, so we pull over.
And then that do you remember,when we got followed by that
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person, because I guess we wereprobably on somebody's property.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
So, yeah, I just wanted you to remember that we
probably could have gottenkilled.
Yeah, yeah, well, it wasn't theonly time.
Remember that we probably couldhave gotten killed.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Yeah, yeah.
Well, it wasn't the only timethat triplet could have gotten
killed.
No, like driving on the edge ofa mountain in the pitch black
and around the curve and there'selk just standing there in the
middle of the road and we werein a Prius.
That elk could have stepped onus and we arrived there late at
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night so we it's not like we hadseen what anything looked like
during the day, which it was farmore terrifying when we saw the
next day what we were actuallydriving on.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Yeah, but yeah, obviously we survived, yeah and
I touched a cactus with arms andthat's all I really give a shit
about yes yes, cactus with armsare fun.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Yeah, all right, that's all okay.
Um, so this week let's fuckaround and find out about
Lollapalooza.
We'll talk about 1991, when itstarted, but the real reason for
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me doing this is 1992, becausethat's the year I went.
Which, learning all of this, Ipicked the right year.
When Lollapalooza began in 1991, it was supposed to signify an
ending.
Founder Perry Farrell startedthe festival, which traveled
over 20 spots across NorthAmerica in its first year as a
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means for Jane's addiction tocelebrate their career and say
goodbye to their fans on a high,which I just think is such a
cool idea.
Like I don't even know if I I'msure I've heard that somewhere
along the way, but I still thinkit's cool.
Farrell claimed that he chosethe festival's name, an archaic
word meaning extraordinarilyimpressive, after he heard the
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word used in a Three Stoogesfilm Interesting, that sounds
very Perry Farrell-ish.
Its first edition all thoseyears ago was much smaller than
the festival is now, with onlyseven acts on the bill versus
over 100 today, but itrepresented the artists like
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Suzy and the Banshees.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Oh damn.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Nine Inch Nails I've seen them twice.
Body Count, who existed outsideof the status quo.
Lollapalooza didn't just bringmusic with it, though, with the
lineup bolstered by art,alternative freak shows, Shaolin
monks and political andenvironmental rallying rounding
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it out as a cultural spectacular, not just a music festival.
As the then two-day eventcontinued through the mid-90s,
it coincided with alternativerock achieving mainstream status
, pushed to the front by arising wave of grunge artists.
Nirvana was in talks toheadline in 1994, but pulled out
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in April of that year, a daybefore Kurt Cobain was founded.
I remember that day before KurtCobain was founded.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
I remember that day that Kurt Cobain Mm-hmm, do you?
Speaker 1 (13:50):
remember it?
Yes, so I was living in Doverwith my ex-husband.
It was our first place.
It was a tiny little efficiencyapartment in the basement of
apartments I remember.
I don't even think it wasreally supposed to be an
apartment.
But yeah, we were watching MTVand it came across and I cried
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oh man.
Yeah, I was far more emotionalback then.
I don't cry anymore now.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
I think it was two months after.
I lost a friend to suicide twomonths before that.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
So yep, yep, and that's right, because it was
winter time it was february,yeah february 22nd.
Rest in peace.
Um, by the time 1997 camearound, farrell was no longer
involved in the running of thefestival and rock was back on a
decline.
The festival went on hiatusafter the 1997 edition.
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Six years later, jane'sAddiction reunited and returned
to the road, revivingLollapalooza, as they did so In
2003,.
It still took the format of atouring festival but would hit
the road for the last year.
After the festival was canceledin 2004 for poor ticket sales,
farrell and his team revampedthe event, turning it into the
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Destination Festival and takingup residence in Chicago's Grant
Park.
In Lollapalooza's time away,the music industry had changed.
The so-called major markets inthe US were big.
Audiences were practicallyguaranteed.
Major markets in the us werebig, audiences were practically
guaranteed.
Uh were dwindling.
Making a touring festival lessand less financial sense.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
make less and less financial sense I guess that's
when all the fireflies and allthat yeah, um, I didn't I don't
think.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
I put it in here because I didn't want to get too
much into current Lollapalooza,because nobody cares about
current.
Lollapalooza, but it didmention, like, the rise of
Coachella and things like thathad an effect on it.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Because Ocean's Calling just put theirs out.
Oh, I want to go Friday.
So bad.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Yeah, it's really not a bad lineup.
It's bands I would like to see.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Friday I would 100% want to see all the bands like
Cake.
I mean, come on For real.
And Saturday?
I wouldn't mind.
Sunday didn't appeal to me atall.
Is Dave Matthews on there again?
Speaker 1 (16:17):
I don't remember, I don't think so, I don't know, I
don't remember, I don't likeDave Matthews.
No.
No, any particular reason.
No, any particular reason.
No, okay.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
I just don't like him .
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Well, my husband really likes him and has seen
him numerous times.
He used to be that hippie guythat I mean he didn't follow him
around, but he saw him a lotand I would like to see him with
him, just because he likes himso much.
I think that might be fun.
But yeah, I could give or takehis music.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
I don't think he was on the lineup this year.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
I don't think so either.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
All right, so the first Lollapalooza lineup in
1991, the year I graduated highschool.
The lineup for the originalLollapalooza included some
Pretty Choice X.
True to its alternative roots,the original 1991 Lollapalooza
included Jane's Addiction, nineInch Nails, susie and the
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Banshees, butthole Surfers Ugh,I know, living Color, ice-t,
henry Rollins and Henry RollinsBand.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Oh my God, I know when was I in 91?
.
I would Band oh my God, I knowwhen was I in 91?
.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
I would have not 11th grade.
I would not have gone.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Just put that right out there.
It wouldn't have mattered ifthey were giving money away, I
wouldn't have gone.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
It was revolutionary, as the genre wasn't known for
mainstream events, even with itsrising popularity.
The original poster for the1991 festival tour included the
following quote the quality ofmercy is not strained.
It droppeth as the gentle rainfrom heaven.
Yeah, sounds like something hethought up on an acid trip, but
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it sounded kind of cool.
Definitely sounds like drugswere involved.
But it sounded kind of cool.
Definitely sounds like drugswere involved.
A couple little fun facts aboutthat.
First year Jane's Addictionmissed their real farewell the
Reading Festival, after Farrellgot too sick to perform.
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Oh, here, I did put it.
I do this all the time and Iswear I read this one like three
times.
This time I had a time becauseI'm like I am not giving quality
material here.
I need to really like know whatI'm doing.
Oh Jesus, all right.
Like Coachella, lollapaloozawas inspired by British music
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festivals like the ReadingFestival.
Gibby Haynes, frontman for theButthole Surfers, fired blanks
from a shotgun over the crowdduring their set at the 1991
Festival.
That's smart.
If that isn't a Butthole Surfers1991 music festival thing.
Oh my gosh, If somebody didthat now they'd get gunned down
in a second.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Now I have that damn song stuck in my head.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
God, god, sorry.
Nine Inch Nails was performingwith humble duct-taped gear in
1991, and their chords actuallymelted in the 100-degree Arizona
sun.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Now I did see Nine Inch Nails in 91.
I do know that.
Did I see them in 91?
I saw them twice Before yougraduated high school.
You saw them.
I want to say yes, because Isaw the cure before I graduated
high school.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
I didn't see the cure until I was like 19 or 20.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
I went to like my mom bought me tickets to the same
night as my senior prom.
I remember that and I thoughtshe was going to have a meltdown
about it.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
You were like yes, and I thought she was going to
have a meltdown about it.
You were like, yes, she waslike you have to go to your prom
.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
And I was like nobody there likes me, I don't want to
go.
We argued and argued and thenshe was like oh, heather, I got
you a present Tickets to thecure and I looked at it and I
was like ha-ha, night of theprom.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
So I spent my prom night with Robert Smith and the
boys Poor Patty, I know.
All right, so now we're goingto get to 1992, the one I really
want to talk about.
So once he got out in front ofthe people, Farrell saw that,
even if his band wouldn'tcontinue, there was a future in
Lollapalooza.
That being said, he alsorealized that if he went out
again with the exact same sortof setup, the counterculture
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would rise up to denounce thewhole thing as an empty cash
grab.
If he really wantedLollapalooza to succeed, he
would have to top the originalin every way, shape and form,
and that meant going bigger,much bigger.
That's why I say I picked theright year to go, Because you
know the first year was smalland that would have been awesome
to say you were there Right.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
And I feel like I mean I would have loved to see
Susie, yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
But I'm looking ahead and I can already see who I'm
going to be upset that I didn'tgo see Okay.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
To begin with, farrell decided that, rather
than limiting Lollapalooza to asingle main stage, he would also
bring out a second side stageon the road, allowing more bands
to join the tour.
The art display would becomeeven more elaborate, including
something called the RhythmBeast, a sort of interactive
sound sculpture.
Boos were set up to selleverything from artists' merch
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and fried foods to temporarytattoos and books.
You could even bungee jump onsite for a mere $79 a ride no,
thank you which was more thantwice the price of the ticket.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Well, it's hella dangerous.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
And I do remember, you know, I think that was
really my first exposure to likemerchandise booze and I was
just like wide eyed, like somuch cool stuff I had never seen
before, like you saw it on TV,and you're like where do people
get that stuff?
Because we're from the country,all the stage dressing and
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activities wouldn't have meant adamn thing, of course, if
Farrell couldn't assemble acompelling lineup, and in that
regard he came through in spades, I'll say Pearl Jam, sound
Garden, heather hates Pearl Jam.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Look Okay, unpopular opinion, I know, and looking at
me and knowing me, you wouldthink you're nuts.
I do not like Pearl Jam.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
I think I have a lot to do with that you 100%.
It's have a lot to do with that, you 100%.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
It's not a lot, it's all.
So she played 10 over and overand over and over.
I do like one Pearl.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
On a cassette tape.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Yeah, so I can sing every Pearl Jam song ever done,
because radio at the time playedit anyway.
So I know the words and I just,I, still, I still can't get
down with them.
Soundgarden Kind of feel thesame way about Soundgarden
because it sounds exactly likePearl Jam to me.
The Chili Peppers I never was afan of the Chili.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Peppers.
I love the Chili Peppers.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
I just think I wasn't a grunge fan.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Yeah, that is true, you were a more alternative.
Yeah, and heavier.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
I either went like way lighter, like the cure of
the smiths lionel richie, butthe cure of the smiths depeche
mode I went yeah, I went thatway.
Or, ministry, nine inch nailslike I?
There was no, I don't think Ilike the in between, yeah, but I
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mean I do like rage and I don'tknow, yep, so, yeah, so after
ministry yeah, he is.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Yeah, ice cube, uh, the jesus and mary chain lush,
which I love.
I like lush.
They were, like some of thefirst, like electronic kind of.
It was like fantasy electronic?
Speaker 2 (23:58):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Her voice was just beautiful.
Cypress Hill, house of Pain,ice-t Porno for Pyros, luscious
Jackson and the Stone TemplePilots were among the bands who
rocked Lake Fairfax Park thatday, because that's where I saw
it.
Some of the lineups did vary bycity but I only included the
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ones that I wanted to see, solet's go through the lineup.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Fuck everything else, screw you if you didn't go and
don't know who was on there.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Yes, so I went in August of 92, which would have
been weeks before I met you.
Yes, because I probablyactually wasn't even a week
before I met you, because it wasAugust 14.
And we would have moved into UD.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
I moved in Memorial Day or Labor Day weekend.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Oh, because I'm not till September.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Yeah, I was a freshman, so we moved in earlier
than oh yeah, I was.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
I.
It was my first time living oncampus but I did my first year
remote, so I was a sophomore.
Um, yeah, so pearl jam.
So that's probably why I wasjust like head over heels for
them, because I had seen themand I have always had a big
crush on eddie vetter.
She has sound garden, I canhonestly say it makes me kind of
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sad because he's passed away,but I don't remember a lot about
His voice is fucking amazing.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
It is I will give you that I just I don't care for
Temple of the Dog.
I just don't think I care for.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, I can sing it All right.
So I, the Red Hot Chili Peppers, closed out the day.
Ministry played before them.
The place was muddy as fuck.
I think I had long lost myshoes because I just wore
sandals.
That sounds awful.
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Oh my gosh In the heat of thesummer.
Literally felt like you werewalking in squishy clay.
It was really weird walking indisgusting squishy clay.
Like it was really weird, yeah,so.
So, ministry, we are literallyin the mosh pit, like on the
outer edge.
Like on the outer edge whereyou're still getting hit but
you're not in it.
Because I wanted to be up frontfor the chili peppers.
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And in my head I'm thinking ifI can survive, ministry, this
close, I'll be, fine for thechili peppers.
So ministry ends, we live,survive, get through that.
And I'm just with my friendSammy and she is just.
I mean, I was tiny back then,she was tinier.
So we are right up front forthe Red Hot Chili Peppers.
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They come out out, they openedwith uh, breaking the girl,
which is my favorite chilipepper song.
Um, and we instantly got crushedlike I have never been so
scared in my life, like, andpeople were trying to pick like
my friend up because she waslittle and everybody rode the
crowd back then.
Yeah, and she's like grabbing ahold of me to try to avoid
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getting hoisted up and lost inthe crowd, right, so we end up
in the middle of the very firstsong.
We grab each other's hand, weput our heads down and we just
started walking backwards and itprobably took us 45 minutes to
an hour to get out of that.
I mean we're just hearing songafter song.
We finally get, because thecrowd was huge.
We finally get to the back ofit.
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People are getting pissed at usbecause we're trying to push
through, even though we'reclearly having panic attacks.
We make it all the way to theback and there were trash
dumpsters back there.
So we climbed up on top of atrash dumpster, way far away
from the crowd, all the way backby the fence, and we sat there
and we watched the rest of theshow from there and we were
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never so happy to be alive.
Um, yeah, it was terrifying, I,yeah, I, because we had been
going to accelerate.
So ministry to me was asviolent as it got.
You know, like the kids inthere would all go crazy, I.
I got my kneecaps busted.
That's probably what's wrongwith my knees today.
So I was like you know they'renot going to be violent.
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Oh Lord, it was so scary.
Anyway, next on the list turnedout to be my surprise favorite
of the day Ice Cube.
I didn't know what to expect.
Yeah, I was a young littlewhite girl.
I didn't know anything aboutthis kind of music and it was
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the best fucking show maybe I'veseen to this day, like amazing.
So, yeah, that's where my loveof hip hop started.
Jesus and Mary Chain that'sanother one of those right in
the middle there for you.
I like some of their stuff, butI'm sure you're meh.
Yeah, lush, I love you're meh.
Um, cypress hill and house ofpain I don't remember a lot
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about, but I wish I would haveremembered house of pain since
that was our-, that's our song.
That's our theme song when wewere in college and we'd go to
the frat parties, the fake fratparties.
Yeah, we would just go wanderaround and go into a basement
and find a red cup and a keg,and when they ran out of beer
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we'd leave and go find a red cup.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Okay, first of all, the one we went to.
The beer was downstairs in thebasement that they had done up
like a dance.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
They had black lights and stuff.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
So that was the beer, and Nicole and one of her
friends, because there was fourof us that did everything
together.
So two of them went for thebeer and two of us went upstairs
where the grain lived Ugh,grain, yeah, and we had a lot of
fruit punch, we did, and grainalcohol.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
And then we went in the basement and jumped to jump
around.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
To jump around and had a good old time until the
wee hours of the morning.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Speaking of those two , when we were talking about
Pearl Jam, it reminded meRemember when we would go to my
friend's place in Pencator toget high Mm-hmm and he and one
of our friends every time we'dgo first.
When he would hit the blunt hewould cough every single time
yes, he did Like aggressively.
And then he would start everysingle time yes, he did
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Aggressively.
And then he would start singingEvenflow, but he only knew the
words Evenflow, so he would justkeep going Evenflow, evenflow,
every time.
God.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Those were the days.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
They were All right.
Ice-t I remember him being goodtoo, but didn't have the
impression on me that Ice-Q did.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Here's the thing about Ice-T that just cracks me
the fuck up.
No, is it Ice-T To have fuckedthe police?
Mm-hmm yeah, and then hebecomes a police officer on.
Law and Order SVU.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Weird and he's on car repair insurance.
Well, you know, I love him.
I love Coco.
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Don't get me wrong, I love him.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
No, no, no, I know you do.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
I wonder how you go from fuck the police to playing
one on TV.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
I follow Coco on all the socials.
She cracks me up and their kidis so cute.
That kid is cute, looks justlike him.
Just like him but has the sassof Coco.
Oh my gosh, it's hilariousPorno for Pyros, obviously.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Did you like them?
I'm going to say yes.
I'm going to say I have to sayyes because my husband has a
Porn Over Byros tattoo on hisback so yes, I loved Porn Over
Byros.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
How about Luscious Jackson?
Speaker 2 (31:43):
I'd have to think about that.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
I like them.
I have to think about whatsongs they had.
It's not going to come.
I can't get the words, though.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
And STP, again one I wish I had more memories about,
since Again, I have to like thembecause my husband is huge and
has told me I don't know 563,000times that he saw STP and was
up front and Scott looked at himin his eyes and they had a
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moment it's like me and DonnieWahlberg and then he was dead,
like three weeks later orsomething, I don't know.
Oh my gosh, I've heard thatstory.
I want to say once a month inthe six years we have been
together.
Excuse me, Seven years we havebeen together.
I have had to hear it the otherday.
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He was like stp came on the,the serious satellite radio and
he was like man and I was like,oh my god, no, no, I know, right
up front he looked you in theeyes, oh, anyway, Tickets for
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the all-day show were $32.50.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
And I know that for sure because I still have my
ticket stub, which is whatprompted this.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
I want to see what that is in today's money.
Okay, continue on while I workwith that.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
And an estimated 25,000 fans showed up.
That's a lot for back then.
Pearl Jam, who were barely ayear removed from their
breakthrough record 10, wereadded to the tour.
So were their Seattle cohorts.
Soundgarden, ice Cube andCypress Hill held it down for
the hip-hop contingent.
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But Lollapalooza in 1992 wasmostly about the alt-rock groups
and bands like Red Hot ChiliPeppers who were riding high on
their fifth album Blood Sugar,sex Magic, what $350.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
God damn.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Whew, that's crazy.
I know that can't be right.
I was rich back then Googlelied to me, you.
I was rich.
Back then, google lied to me, Iwas so rich back then I did
have disposable income.
Let me look maybe it's a lie,but yeah, blood sugar sex magic
is probably my favorite album oftheirs, except under the bridge
.
I hate under the bridge so much.
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Probably the radio's fault.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Oh no, I lied, it's $80.
Oh okay, that's much morereasonable.
Yeah, although Ocean's Callingis $175 a day, that's nuts, yeah
.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Lollapalooza 1992 kicked off with back-to-back
blowout shows at the ShorelineAmphitheater in Mountain View,
California, about an hour southof San Francisco, on July 18th
and 19th.
For the next two months thefestival wound its way across
the entire country and someparts of Canada, hitting the
Midwest, snaking over to NewEngland, New York, then diving
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down south and shooting backover for three consecutive
extravaganzas at the IrvineMeadows Amphitheater just
outside of LA.
So I would have been right atthe end of that tour, because
they would have hit New York andwent south.
And man, something else Iremember about that day.
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It was a car full of us and myfriend's mom had the old style
station wagon and that's what weall I mean.
You were hippies no, and I havepictures from there too.
I'm gonna have to dig them out.
I was going through and lookingfor some old pictures and I
found some good ones, some onesthat gave me some uh ideas.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
But oh god yeah, some ideas, but oh, God, yeah, I
don't have any pictures of myyouth.
I got rid of all of them.
They're all gone, ay-yi-yi.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Yeah, I don't want to know.
Along the way, pearl Jamburnished a reputation as one of
the can't-miss high-flying livebands of their entire
generation.
Playing to people that you'dnever played to before, it was
like you know what we're goingto play.
We're going to take this tosome level that people aren't
going to forget.
Lead singer Eddie Vedder saidin the band's biography Pearl
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Jam 20.
If that means risking your lifeto do something that they won't
forget in some kind ofadolescent evil Knievel way,
we're going to do it.
Vedder wasn't joking.
The lead, the singer, regularlytook his life into his own
hands during their set, jumpinginto the crowd, climbing up tall
sculptures and danglingprecariously while watching the
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audience cheer him on from downbelow.
It was utter madness, but itdefinitely left a big impression
and I can definitely picturelike 10 different times seeing
eddie vetter I've never seeneddie vetter in concert, but I I
know that he did that yeah yeah, hanging off the scaffolding
was like the crazy ones, I meanit really.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
You can't understand a goddamn word.
He says so yeah, so you can.
You can mumble into amicrophone from anywhere um.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
On the musical front, lead guitarist mike mccready
regularly brought the house downsoloing, soloing like a madman
on his Fender Stratocaster,tossing in bits of classics like
Jimi Hendrix's Voodoo Childinto the middle of their own
songs like Porch.
Even though 10 was currentlysitting in the top 10 on the
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Billboard album charts, pearlJam were given a spot near the
bottom of the bill, regularlyhitting the stage sometime
around 2 pm.
A couple of weeks before thetour there was an opportunity
for us to renegotiate not justthe money but the time slot
basis, jeff Ament recalled.
But we were like nah, we don'twant any added pressure to the
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situation Adding.
We still have an absolute blastplaying shows, but I don't know
that we've ever had more fun ona tour.
We were playing intense showsbut within an hour I'd be
playing basketball with Flea andIce Cube, though there was good
feelings between all of theacts on Lollapalooza that year.
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The key to this tour working isgroups coexisting.
Ice-t said If you take onegroup on this tour and they're
assholes, they won't make it.
There was an especially solidbond between Pearl Jam and
Soundgarden.
I think it was one of myfavorite tours of my career
because we shared a lot ofcamaraderie.
Singer Chris Cornell recalledof Pearl Jam 20.
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Chris Cornell recalled of PearlJam 20.
It's like your buddies you grewup with that.
You played in front of 10people with for years and now
you're on tour together playingfor 25,000 people, and it seems
to mean something culturally.
Soundgarden held it down in theafternoons as well, playing
some of the hardest material ofany band on the bill.
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Cornell was probably the bestpure vocalist on the tour, as
you said, uh, and regularly blewpeople away with his four
octave instrument have you everheard his version of billy jean?
Speaker 2 (39:08):
I don't know it's.
It's beautiful.
Okay, it's amazing.
He slows it way down, like wayit's really.
I'll have to listen to it.
Yeah, it's pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
Nothing can quite prepare you for the utter
savagery of songs like OutshinedJesus Christ Pose, Rusty Cage
and Slaves and Bulldozers.
In a nod to Ice-T, they alsobusted out a cover of his
controversial song Cop Killer,Fuck the Pose.
They also busted out a cover ofhis controversial song cop
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killer, just to show how tightthey were.
When vetter missed the bus fromone gig to another in virginia,
which could have been the onethat I was like, that you could
have picked up.
Oh, can you imagine?
Oh, my gosh.
Uh cornell volunteered to fillin for him in pearl jam.
While he was on stage justabout to start singing, the
Soundgarden frontman wasinterrupted by a vetter who
managed to make it to the venueby hitchhiking out on the open
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highway.
I love that story so much.
With wide smiles on their faces, they launched into their
Temple of the Dogs supergrouphit Hunger Strike.
That song would get aired outlive once again during
Soundgarden's set at the shownear their hometown in Bremerton
, Washington, as well as duringa few stints together
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acoustically, on the smallerside stage.
As the headliners charged withclosing the festival out, the
Red Hot Chili Peppers werereally up against it.
At that exact moment they werestill in the process of breaking
in new guitarist Eric Marshall,who had the unenviable task of
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filling in for John Fouchiant,who had quit the band just a
month or so before the tourstarted.
It's a cosmically confusing,fucked up situation to lose a
family member like that.
Anthony Kiedis told RollingStone we didn't want it to
happen.
Emotionally it's very sad anddisheartening, but that's what
happened and we had to carry on.
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Despite the obstacles, theChili Peppers held it together
and put together incredibledisplays of funk rock wizardry
for 90 minutes at a time on anightly basis.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
That's too much Chili .
Speaker 1 (41:24):
Peppers yeah, especially when people are dying
, getting crushed to death 90minutes is just too much.
It was nuts.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
They were good, though Once I got to the back I
could actually I don't eventhink I could name off 90
minutes worth of red hot chilipeppers.
Oh, especially at that time.
Because what blood sugar sexmagic was that out?
That was just out, that wasjust yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
Mm, hmm.
According to most accounts, thebreakout star was ice cube, who
made an incredible impression,backed by his group lunch mob,
the suburban white kids thatmade up most of the crowds.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
Me.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
We're incredibly receptive to hearing the former
NWA member burn the place downeach night airing out materials
from his three solo albumsAmerica's most wanted death
certificate and theificate andthe Predator.
I didn't know what to expect,cube said, but when I did the
first two or three songs and saweverybody was into it, I had to
jump out into the crowd.
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The energy translated, even ifthe message of the song like the
wrong end to fuck wit and howto Survive in South Central.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
While drinking your juice in the hood, went over
their heads Fucking.
Love that movie.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
It cracked me up when I first read the White Suburban
Kids after I was just like, ohmy God, I loved Ice Cube, but it
sounds like he was into it soit's all good.
Well, it's a whole new audience.
Everybody had fun.
Chris Cornell summed up whatLollapalooza was in those early
days, probably better thananyone else, in an interview he
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gave to the metal magazineKerrang that same year.
I think it was the alternativeculture coming together for a
non-alternative audience tocheck out the great, unwashed
mass of young kids raised on MTV, showing up by the thousands to
praise their heroes and bangtheir heads, which is pretty
much what it's remained eversince.
The only thing that's reallychanged in the last 25 years
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really are the mediums whichthose kids consume pop culture
and the bands who make up thebill, except the Chili Peppers,
who have performed Lollapaloozathree times since, including as
recent as last year.
They were pretty great then too.
I don't know about that.
So I just found like I wentthrough and corrected all these
because throughout a lot of whatI read they're like the kids
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call it Lola, and I was sofucking annoyed with it and so I
went into I went into myscript and I corrected every
lola and put in lalapalooza, butI missed one and I just found
it.
I was gonna say that says itright there and I'm very sad,
but whatever, what lalapalooza 2has proven is that there is a
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serious market for youthcounterculture Counterculture.
See, I was looking ahead that Ihad to say feral next, so it
was counterculture, feral and Iwas like whew, that's a lot.
Feral told Rolling Stones in1992, the good news is that
these people will sooner orlater be in positions of
prominence and we have takenthem to school.
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Looking out at the landscape offestival culture as it exists
in 2017, which is when thisarticle was from, it's amazing
how true that predictions turnedout to be.
See you all at Grant Park.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
So I did not.
I don't even remember I'm goingto be honest at Grant Park, so
I did not.
I don't even remember.
I'm going to be honest.
I remember vaguely Lollapalooza.
I don't remember wanting to go.
I know I wouldn't have gone.
A it was the summer, so Icouldn't have gotten off work.
B it was summer, so I couldn'thave gotten off work.
Um, C the summer of 92 it wassummer, so I couldn't have
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gotten off work.
See, the summer of 92 waspretty shitty for me.
So yeah, then I went to UD.
That was a really bad time ofmy life prior to getting to UD,
so that was also a reason why Iprobably didn't want to go
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especially by august it was.
I was ready to go somewhere thatwasn't here.
So I don't really.
I vaguely remember where, wherewas it?
Where did you see fairfax?
You went all the way to fairfax.
That was that, that was.
Was that as close as it came?
Speaker 1 (45:58):
you know what?
To be perfectly honest, I don'teven know remember how I ended
up going.
I mean, I was with a stationwagon full of my friends.
So, fairfax is pretty far.
One of us was like I don't knowwho got the tickets.
I I mean, I would guesssomebody's parents would have to
order all our tickets and weall paid them back.
I don't know who got thetickets.
I mean, I would guesssomebody's parents would have to
order all our tickets and weall paid them back.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
I don't know.
Yeah, I mean, I guess thatwould have been a DC show,
fairfax.
Speaker 1 (46:19):
Would have been close enough to DC that it would have
been a DC show.
Speaker 2 (46:23):
I'm surprised there wasn't a Philadelphia show,
though.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
Yeah, I don't know, I have no idea, or at least like
Hershey.
I just idea, or at least, likehershey, I just remember the
ride down.
I know we stopped at a grocerystore when we got down there to
get something to drink and asnack.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
I remember dancing a lot so did you just go for the
day and then you just came back?
yep, oh, to be young and dumbagain oh yeah, oh yeah, I can't
even imagine that now like thethought, oh yeah, oh yeah, I
can't even imagine that now Likethe thought every time I see a
concert and it's like, okay, solike the Cure came around and I
was like, oh, I really want togo see the Cure and Depeche Mode
Both came around this summer.
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I was like, oh, I really wouldlike to see Depeche Mode again,
I would really like to see theCure again.
And then I was like, oh, it'sso far and I'd have to get a
hotel room because I can't stayup that late and then drive all
the way home and tickets areexpensive and there's gas money
and you gotta take off work andyou gotta drive and you gotta
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get a hotel room.
So much.
Speaker 1 (47:30):
Yeah, that's where we were, like, let's go.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
And that's just it Like shit in the 90s.
Yeah, that's where we were,like, let's go.
And that's just it Like shit inthe 90s.
Yeah, that's what you did, wewould get in it for quite Okay.
So after we lost my friend, wejust jumped in the car because
my friend was engaged to thisperson and so she kind of took
it hard, weirdly enough.
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So we jumped in the car andwent to Florida for like a month
.
Speaker 1 (47:59):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
Yeah, we didn't come back till like May, April,
something like that.
That was a horrible time too.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
Because you had like your aunt had a place.
Her aunt, Her aunt.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
Her aunt and uncle had a place in Florida and we
stayed in the pool house, yeah,so you did shit like that, like
you just jumped in a car anddrove to Florida for no fucking
reason and then just drove backlike three days later.
I mean we did stay down therefor a month, but I don't think I
could do that now.
I mean I can't do that now.
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I got to put PTO in, get thatapproved.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
I mean, you just find somebody to watch the dog, the
bird, somebody who will feed thecats.
Speaker 2 (48:48):
It's just a lot.
Speaker 1 (48:49):
Yeah, it's just a lot Gas is expensive.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
It is.
And then you know what I did?
I just watched the Kira concerton the YouTube and the Depeche
Mode.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
It was perfectly lovely I was like you know what?
Speaker 2 (49:00):
This is good enough, I don't need to be, I'll turn it
up loud, and that's anotherthing.
It's so fucking loud, oh yeah,it hurts your ears and I don't
even know what.
The last concert I saw was likethat I wasn't actually working
or in a city, I don't know.
It's been a long time since Iwent to like Philadelphia DC for
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a, for a show.
Speaker 1 (49:23):
I think mine's Firefly.
Speaker 2 (49:25):
Yeah, but that's right here.
That doesn't count, right, likeI don't count the Freeman stuff
, but I I don't have any.
I must it might've been Madonna.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
Ooh, that was a long time ago.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
I know Well, I saw Madonna twice.
Speaker 1 (49:41):
Well, we saw Depeche Mode.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
Yes, oh yeah, in DC.
That might have been the lastthat was in Virginia.
Speaker 1 (49:50):
Didn't you drive?
You accidentally drove throughDC?
Yeah, I did.
And didn't they have everythingclosed off?
Speaker 2 (49:57):
Yeah, because the president was coming through.
Yep.
Yeah, I'm really bad at drivingin cities.
At that point, we won ticketsto that.
That's what that's.
Speaker 1 (50:07):
Oh, I won tickets to that.
Speaker 2 (50:10):
That might have been the last concert that I went to.
That was like far.
Speaker 1 (50:20):
It's just actually, I think, my last one besides um
wait, because I went to concertswith lydia um yeah, so my
youngest um.
So I saw um one direction thatwas in her younger days, oh boy.
But I also got to go see Tylerthe creator, which was excellent
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.
He's great, I love him.
We went and saw Frank Ocean.
I don't know, she has reallygood taste in music, so
sometimes I would take her anddrop her off with her friends,
just sit out in the car.
But if it was somebody I wasinterested in, I'd buy a ticket
and go in too.
Speaker 2 (51:01):
It's just such a, and then they don't start till like
seven.
What is that?
Okay, let me just say this Iknow there's a comedian that
talks about this too.
Why on God's green earth dothese old bands who are playing
to old people, us Gen Xers whyDo they not have like a Sunday
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afternoon concert, like at 2o'clock?
Speaker 1 (51:24):
I think Jamie Lee Curtis was actually really
pushing for that for a while,like a 2 o'clock concert.
What is wrong?
It's still dark inside.
Speaker 2 (51:31):
It's not like you can drink at 2 o'clock just as much
as you can drink at 7.30.
Yes, it doesn't make any sense.
I'm 2.
Speaker 1 (51:38):
I just can't stay up, yeah, and then they would leave
the concert and go out todinner.
It would be great for the localeconomy, exactly.
Speaker 2 (51:45):
It would be great, you know what?
Let's just that's it, new rule.
If the band appeals to a thenyou have to have it at two
o'clock matinees concertmatinees, I mean, it's not even
just that, the damn concertdoesn't even start till seven.
And then you gotta sit throughthe opening act, which I mean
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okay, back then I didn't mindthem because I saw.
Poe one year and Marilyn Mansonopen for Nine Inch N because I
saw Poe one year and MarilynManson open for.
Speaker 1 (52:17):
Nine Inch.
Speaker 2 (52:17):
Nails I saw Garbage.
I forget who else Open for theCure.
Mazzy Star I saw Mazzy.
Speaker 1 (52:29):
Star.
Speaker 2 (52:30):
I saw Mazzy Star once .
It was Depeche Mode that sheopened for, so it was probably
the same show, yeah.
So then you got to sit throughthat and that's like 45 minutes.
Yeah, it was Depeche Mode thatshe opened for, so it was
probably the same show, yeah.
So then you got to sit throughthat and that's like 45 minutes
and you're like, oh my.
Speaker 1 (52:41):
God, now it's already nine o'clock.
I did also see Troye Sivan, butwho opened for him was Dua Lipa
.
Oh, I love Dua Lipa and Iremember when she played she had
a song that was popular.
It must have been her firstpopular song because I was like
oh my gosh, I actually know thissong.
I was so excited, and now Ijust love her.
Speaker 2 (53:03):
Hey, I know that song , yeah, I just I don't the
Freeman Stage 2, their shitdoesn't start till seven and
it's just like.
Speaker 1 (53:11):
I mean that's all old people, yeah, I have been there
.
Speaker 2 (53:14):
I mean, it is only like most of them do live there.
So I mean they're just walkingback and everything has to be
done by 10 o'clock, so theycan't be in there past 10,
although George Thurgood did.
They get fined if they go past10 o'clock.
And George Thurgood didn't comeout until I want to say it was
like 9 o'clock, Dang yeah,People were getting pissed.
Speaker 1 (53:37):
I saw George Thorogood about maybe six or
seven years ago at the DelawareState Fair.
He was excellent.
Speaker 2 (53:47):
Of course I've always loved him.
Once he actually did come onstage.
Yeah, he was very good.
Speaker 1 (53:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (53:52):
I did see.
I think my favorite show therewas the Violent Femmes.
Speaker 1 (53:57):
I can't believe I didn't go to that.
Speaker 2 (53:59):
The only part about it was they only played for like
45 minutes.
Speaker 1 (54:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (54:04):
And then Ben Folds Five played probably 45 minutes,
because now that I work there Iknow how the shows work.
Speaker 1 (54:10):
They all work.
Speaker 2 (54:12):
One plays for 45 minutes, the other one plays for
45 minutes.
So I don't know, I think thatmight have been the last one I
actually paid to go see.
Speaker 1 (54:23):
I saw Boys to Men there, that was fun.
Speaker 2 (54:27):
They've had some good stuff there.
The lineup was released thisyear.
Speaker 1 (54:29):
I've been there a couple of times I can't think oh
, I saw Huey Lewis there beforehis voice went.
Yes, blondie, and I saw theMary Poppins show they put on.
Oh dear God, Of course.
Speaker 2 (54:42):
No, nope, this year the lineup is not.
They released part of it.
Speaker 1 (54:50):
No, but my husband did look and he's really gotten
into like blues and there'ssomebody or two somebodies that
are playing there that hementioned he might like to see,
and he doesn't like to do thingsvery often so I was kind of
like he's like oh, I've neverbeen there.
Speaker 2 (55:11):
I am waiting for the second lineup to come out to
make my decision.
It's three that they do threeoh, I didn't know that, yeah
they do three okay um, sometimeseven four um, but usually it's
three.
Speaker 1 (55:25):
So so these are all supposed to be bands,
necessarily, that we don't careabout?
Speaker 2 (55:32):
yeah, usually the first one is just like that's
kind of interesting.
Speaker 1 (55:35):
But it's like thursday at a four-day music
festival.
Okay, then they'll put the like.
Speaker 2 (55:40):
Then they'll put, like whoever's the biggest
probably be in the next lineupto get you more excited about
the third lineup.
But last year it was nothingbut a bunch of cover bands.
And look, there's this one bandthat I will pay to see every
single time although I didn'thave to pay because I worked
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there but abba cover really I'veseen them on there that it is.
Speaker 1 (56:10):
I haven't seen them.
I've seen them on the bestnight the absolute most fun.
Speaker 2 (56:15):
Everybody dresses up, oh wow they give out um when
you, when you come in the gates,they give out, like disco ball,
necklaces and I bet that's howsells out fast it actually
doesn't sell out.
Oh um, because it's generaladmission, so they can pack as
many people as they want oh okay, that and the Yacht Rock.
Speaker 1 (56:39):
I would like to do that one.
Speaker 2 (56:41):
That one's fun too.
I shouldn't say I don't carefor it, because then I knew
every damn song of it.
Speaker 1 (56:47):
That's exactly what I said when we watched the Yacht
Rock documentary.
I was like eh, it's not mymusic, but I guess I'll watch it
.
And then I sang through thewhole thing.
Speaker 2 (56:54):
Yeah, everybody wears captain hats.
Nice, and when you work there,you guess how many people were
actually wearing captain hats.
And then you win a prize whenyou work there.
I've never come close, butthose two nights especially are
a lot, a lot, lot, a lot of fun.
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And you, the cover bandsusually are decent cover bands,
like it's not, like they're yeah, but it's a cover band.
It's a cover band, yeah althoughthe prince one was horrible,
awful, um, but abba, I meanhands down I and I think the
guitarist was in abba anyway.
So it's kind of like, not Imean it's a cover band, but and
(57:39):
they just every Abba song theychange clothes, I mean it's just
, it's a really good show, veryentertaining, and it's not just
saying that because I like Abba,they sound just like them.
It's a good show, nice, yeah.
So I can't decide if I'm goingto work there or not.
I don't think you should.
Speaker 1 (57:58):
But anyway, then there's no free shows, true.
So that was that.
That was really fun for me.
Yeah, I bet To remember that,and I hope somebody out there
listening also was there in 92.
At that particular show.
No, it doesn't have to be atmine.
Speaker 2 (58:18):
I'm sure a lot of people I mean obviously a lot of
people went, yeah, Because wewanted to.
I wanted to go, I don't knowwhy I had a wild hair and I was
like we should go to theWoodstock, Woodstock 93, right,
and my friend was like no.
Speaker 1 (58:36):
And I was like okay, you're probably right, because
that's what happens.
Speaker 2 (58:40):
Mm-hmm, I am like I'm going to do this and then I
have absolutely zero intentionof ever doing that.
Yeah, and I hate myself forsigning up for that.
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, but that's howI battle my anxiety.
Samesies by making myself doshit Samesies.
So if you did go toLollapalooza in 1992 or 91, but
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not this year, email us and letus know how you enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (59:14):
I mean, if you went this year, you can email us too.
Fuck, no.
Speaker 2 (59:20):
Only if you heard Perry Farrell.
You can email us atlikewhateverpod at gmailcom.
You can find us on all thesocials I did want to say now,
nobody's listening.
I should have put this up front.
Apparently, I don't know,because I still have yet to test
it, but some people were havingtrouble finding us on YouTube,
(59:44):
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the W are both capitalized andI didn't realize that it had to
be that goddamn specific, forreal, I mean, but that might be
why I have didn't realize thatit had to be that goddamn
specific, for real, I mean, butthat might be why I have to
check into that a little bitfurther, but anyway.
So if you're looking for us onYouTube, try capitalizing the L
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Speaker 1 (00:30):
Welcome to Like Whatever a podcast for, by and
about Gen X.
I'm Nicole and this is my BFF,heather.
Hello, so I have something thatI heard on the news today that
I want to talk about.
Okay, but I am dying to hearabout the Americas.
Oh my gosh, it was so good and.
(00:51):
I'm so mad because I have beenlooking forward to it for weeks
and I forgot about it.
And you text me at like 812.
And I was like, well, I don'twant to put it on now, like I'll
just catch it in a rerunsomewhere.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
But it was awesome, I'll just catch it and earn a
rerun somewhere, but it wasawesome.
Do you have Peacock?
Yeah, it's on Peacock now.
Okay, it is.
I watched the first two.
I missed the third one and Ihaven't watched them yet, but
the first one, the one I meanfirst of all, it's Tom Hanks.
Yeah, so yeah.
(01:23):
Second of all, I guess it's thesame people that did planet
earth.
Oh yeah, um, it's the one I didwatch all the way through, was
in the chesapeake oh, very coolyeah so it was, and it was a
bald eagle, and this bald eaglemean the ospreys came back and,
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like I, lived here my whole life.
I know I've lived at the beach,I know the ospreys come and go
and I know what I knoweverything about.
I don't know everything aboutthem, but I know about the
ospreys.
I didn't think about the factthat eagles and ospreys were not
compatible, because when I grewup we didn't have any bald
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eagles at the beach.
I don't think we still havethem there, right they're inland
yeah, and we?
Speaker 1 (02:14):
I don't think we had any around here at all.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Now they're everywhere, yeah, so I don't
know.
It was just really cool, it wasvery well done.
The shots a lot of the shotsare just fucking amazing.
They're just beautiful and Icannot wait to watch.
The only thing I don't likeabout it and I don't like about
all those nature shows Iunderstand it's the circle of
life.
I know what is prey and I knowwhat are predators and I know
(02:42):
how it's going to go, but Idon't want to see it.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
I know where my burger comes from.
I just don't want to watch ithappen.
Yeah, I just want to pet a cowand then eat a hamburger.
I don't want those two worldsto collide.
So that's the one thing I hateabout watching those shows.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
But I highly recommend it.
It was stunning Good.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
That's good to know.
I will watch it.
So my thing this week I waslistening to the news and there
is a new cult story in the news.
Have you heard of them?
Speaker 2 (03:22):
I have the Zizians.
I've heard of them for a coupleof weeks now.
They did it on last podcast onthe left, oh, okay.
We've been talking about it fora couple weeks now.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Okay, yep.
So I pulled this informationfrom the Associated Press so
I'll read to you real quick, incase you haven't heard of it.
The apparent leader of acult-like group known as the
Zizians was arrested in Maryland, along with another member of
the group.
Am I saying it right, zizians?
Yes, okay, jack Lasoda, 34years old, was arrested Sunday
(03:54):
along with Michelle Zizieko, 33,of Media Pennsylvania, which is
another thing that's cool aboutthis, because Maryland and
Pennsylvania are our neighbors,so kind of close.
They face multiple charges,including trespassing,
obstructing and hindering, andpossession of a handgun in the
(04:15):
vehicle.
The Zizians have been tied tothe killing of US Border Patrol
agent David Maland near theCanadian border in January I
remember very vividly when thathappened and five other
homicides in Vermont,pennsylvania and California.
Mayland, 44, was killed in aJanuary 20 shootout following a
(04:37):
traffic stop in Coventry,vermont, a small town about 20
miles from the Canadian border.
Officials have offered fewdetails of the cross-country
investigation which broke openafter the January 20th shooting
death of Maland.
Associated press interviews anda review of the court records
and online postings tell thestory of how a group of young,
(05:00):
highly intelligent computerscientists, most of them in
their 20s and 30s, met online,shared anarchist beliefs and
became increasingly violent.
You gotta watch out for thesmart ones.
Their goals aren't clear, butonline writing spanned topics
from radical veganism and genderidentity to artificial
(05:20):
intelligence.
But the thing that caught myear when I was listening to it
on the news was they called themtech-savvy vegans, and I don't
know why, but it made me bellyroll for like 15 minutes Like I
would forget, and then I'dremember again and bust out
laughing like tech savvy vegans,just you know, sorry, I can
never.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
There's no way I could be a vegan because I don't
eat vegetables, so that wouldbe I would die.
I don't think you, so thatwould be, I would die.
I don't think you can just liveon carrots and broccoli, I just
, oh, you know vegans.
Having had restaurantexperience for the past 40 years
has really made me hate vegansa lot.
(06:02):
Give it to them, they are just.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Sorry, Continuing on.
At the middle of it all is Ziz,who appears to be the leader of
the strange group members whocall themselves Zizians.
She has been seen near multiplecrime scenes and has
connections to various suspects.
Lasoda published a dark andsometimes violent blog under the
(06:29):
name Ziz and in one sectiondescribed her theory that the
two hemispheres of the braincould hold separate values and
genders and often desire to killeach other.
Mind you Mine do Losota, whoused she her pronouns and in her
writing says she is atransgender woman, railed
(06:54):
against perceived enemies,including so-called rationalist
groups which operate mostlyonline and seek to understand
human cognition through reasonand knowledge.
Some are concerned with thepotential dangers of artificial
intelligence and knowledge.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Some are concerned with the potential dangers of
artificial intelligence.
So, okay, I love a good cult, Ido.
Yeah, absolutely, I just love agood cult.
Although I still cannot wrap myhead around how someone I don't
either, but whatever, mostlybecause I am so anti things that
like if everybody likes it,then I'm gonna be like I've
(07:30):
never seen harry potter becauseeverybody likes it and I refuse
to watch it because I don't careyeah, you don't like being told
what to do.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
I don't, I don't, so straight out the gate.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
I I would not be good in a cult Because I would be
like I'm just not doing that.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
No, that's dumb.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
So and then you add on to it that they're vegan.
Like, I am way out at thatpoint.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Right.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
I mean, I get the artificial.
Look, I don't want artificialintelligence either.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
I'm not.
Yeah, I know I sound very oldwhen I say this, but it kind of
creeps me out a little bit.
It's yeah.
Like, some of the little thingsyou've been doing with the
podcast are kind of neat and fun, yeah, but whew, some of the
stuff yeah, even I am dipping mytoe further in the AI than I
really would like to.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
But it's for the sake of the podcast for you people.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
You're such a trooper .
Yeah, I just I don't, I don'tknow.
And then I think the otherproblem is, you know, current
with the way the world not theworld the United States is
currently you, you have to thinkto yourself that poor
transgender community is justlike oh fuck, are you fucking
kidding me?
Speaker 1 (08:44):
right now.
Yeah, we've just finallystarted making a little headway.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Now you want to do this, like now is what you want
to do.
That's the part I have thebiggest problem with.
I just feel bad.
The transgender community getsso much shit anyway, and then
you got to throw this on top ofit.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
And now everybody's going be like see, yeah, we told
you, they were dangerous, eventhough.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
People are dangerous, like it's just exactly.
Anybody can be dangerousanywhere in the world, any color
of skin and anyone.
Anybody you worship, I meanyou're all dangerous like it's.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
There are small children that are dangerous.
Okay, it happens Fuck yeah, soI don't know, yeah, yeah, so
yeah, it just kind of caught myeye and I just kind of wanted to
share, because you know cultsare fun and I knew you'd have
opinions, so I wanted to knowwhat you had to say too.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
I have strong opinions on pretty much
everything.
Yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
So anything else you would like to share?
Speaker 2 (09:49):
No, that would be it, oh wait, I did One more thing
about the Americas because Ilooked on my phone and I
remember I wrote down what Iwanted to talk about.
Just one more thing they hadthe cactus with arms.
Oh yes, when Nicole and I wentto Sedona, the one thing on the
whole world that I wanted to dowas touch a cactus with arms.
(10:10):
Sbarro cactus, I don't knowwhat that is Cactus with arms.
You all know what a cactus witharms is.
We did find some on our tripfrom Phoenix to Sedona, and
they're literally everywhere,like just on the side of the
road and stuff, just like a tree, so we pull over.
And then that do you remember,when we got followed by that
(10:33):
person, because I guess we wereprobably on somebody's property.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
So, yeah, I just wanted you to remember that we
probably could have gottenkilled.
Yeah, yeah, well, it wasn't theonly time.
Remember that we probably couldhave gotten killed.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Yeah, yeah.
Well, it wasn't the only timethat triplet could have gotten
killed.
No, like driving on the edge ofa mountain in the pitch black
and around the curve and there'selk just standing there in the
middle of the road and we werein a Prius.
That elk could have stepped onus and we arrived there late at
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night so we it's not like we hadseen what anything looked like
during the day, which it was farmore terrifying when we saw the
next day what we were actuallydriving on.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Yeah, but yeah, obviously we survived, yeah and
I touched a cactus with arms andthat's all I really give a shit
about yes yes, cactus with armsare fun.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Yeah, all right, that's all okay.
Um, so this week let's fuckaround and find out about
Lollapalooza.
We'll talk about 1991, when itstarted, but the real reason for
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me doing this is 1992, becausethat's the year I went.
Which, learning all of this, Ipicked the right year.
When Lollapalooza began in 1991, it was supposed to signify an
ending.
Founder Perry Farrell startedthe festival, which traveled
over 20 spots across NorthAmerica in its first year as a
(12:09):
means for Jane's addiction tocelebrate their career and say
goodbye to their fans on a high,which I just think is such a
cool idea.
Like I don't even know if I I'msure I've heard that somewhere
along the way, but I still thinkit's cool.
Farrell claimed that he chosethe festival's name, an archaic
word meaning extraordinarilyimpressive, after he heard the
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word used in a Three Stoogesfilm Interesting, that sounds
very Perry Farrell-ish.
Its first edition all thoseyears ago was much smaller than
the festival is now, with onlyseven acts on the bill versus
over 100 today, but itrepresented the artists like
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Suzy and the Banshees.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Oh damn.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Nine Inch Nails I've seen them twice.
Body Count, who existed outsideof the status quo.
Lollapalooza didn't just bringmusic with it, though, with the
lineup bolstered by art,alternative freak shows, Shaolin
monks and political andenvironmental rallying rounding
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it out as a cultural spectacular, not just a music festival.
As the then two-day eventcontinued through the mid-90s,
it coincided with alternativerock achieving mainstream status
, pushed to the front by arising wave of grunge artists.
Nirvana was in talks toheadline in 1994, but pulled out
(13:39):
in April of that year, a daybefore Kurt Cobain was founded.
I remember that day before KurtCobain was founded.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
I remember that day that Kurt Cobain Mm-hmm, do you?
Speaker 1 (13:50):
remember it?
Yes, so I was living in Doverwith my ex-husband.
It was our first place.
It was a tiny little efficiencyapartment in the basement of
apartments I remember.
I don't even think it wasreally supposed to be an
apartment.
But yeah, we were watching MTVand it came across and I cried
(14:15):
oh man.
Yeah, I was far more emotionalback then.
I don't cry anymore now.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
I think it was two months after.
I lost a friend to suicide twomonths before that.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
So yep, yep, and that's right, because it was
winter time it was february,yeah february 22nd.
Rest in peace.
Um, by the time 1997 camearound, farrell was no longer
involved in the running of thefestival and rock was back on a
decline.
The festival went on hiatusafter the 1997 edition.
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Six years later, jane'sAddiction reunited and returned
to the road, revivingLollapalooza, as they did so In
2003,.
It still took the format of atouring festival but would hit
the road for the last year.
After the festival was canceledin 2004 for poor ticket sales,
farrell and his team revampedthe event, turning it into the
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Destination Festival and takingup residence in Chicago's Grant
Park.
In Lollapalooza's time away,the music industry had changed.
The so-called major markets inthe US were big.
Audiences were practicallyguaranteed.
Major markets in the us werebig, audiences were practically
guaranteed.
Uh were dwindling.
Making a touring festival lessand less financial sense.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
make less and less financial sense I guess that's
when all the fireflies and allthat yeah, um, I didn't I don't
think.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
I put it in here because I didn't want to get too
much into current Lollapalooza,because nobody cares about
current.
Lollapalooza, but it didmention, like, the rise of
Coachella and things like thathad an effect on it.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Because Ocean's Calling just put theirs out.
Oh, I want to go Friday.
So bad.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Yeah, it's really not a bad lineup.
It's bands I would like to see.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Friday I would 100% want to see all the bands like
Cake.
I mean, come on For real.
And Saturday?
I wouldn't mind.
Sunday didn't appeal to me atall.
Is Dave Matthews on there again?
Speaker 1 (16:17):
I don't remember, I don't think so, I don't know, I
don't remember, I don't likeDave Matthews.
No.
No, any particular reason.
No, any particular reason.
No, okay.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
I just don't like him .
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Well, my husband really likes him and has seen
him numerous times.
He used to be that hippie guythat I mean he didn't follow him
around, but he saw him a lotand I would like to see him with
him, just because he likes himso much.
I think that might be fun.
But yeah, I could give or takehis music.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
I don't think he was on the lineup this year.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
I don't think so either.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
All right, so the first Lollapalooza lineup in
1991, the year I graduated highschool.
The lineup for the originalLollapalooza included some
Pretty Choice X.
True to its alternative roots,the original 1991 Lollapalooza
included Jane's Addiction, nineInch Nails, susie and the
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Banshees, butthole Surfers Ugh,I know, living Color, ice-t,
henry Rollins and Henry RollinsBand.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Oh my God, I know when was I in 91?
.
I would Band oh my God, I knowwhen was I in 91?
.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
I would have not 11th grade.
I would not have gone.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Just put that right out there.
It wouldn't have mattered ifthey were giving money away, I
wouldn't have gone.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
It was revolutionary, as the genre wasn't known for
mainstream events, even with itsrising popularity.
The original poster for the1991 festival tour included the
following quote the quality ofmercy is not strained.
It droppeth as the gentle rainfrom heaven.
Yeah, sounds like something hethought up on an acid trip, but
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it sounded kind of cool.
Definitely sounds like drugswere involved.
But it sounded kind of cool.
Definitely sounds like drugswere involved.
A couple little fun facts aboutthat.
First year Jane's Addictionmissed their real farewell the
Reading Festival, after Farrellgot too sick to perform.
(18:21):
Oh, here, I did put it.
I do this all the time and Iswear I read this one like three
times.
This time I had a time becauseI'm like I am not giving quality
material here.
I need to really like know whatI'm doing.
Oh Jesus, all right.
Like Coachella, lollapaloozawas inspired by British music
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festivals like the ReadingFestival.
Gibby Haynes, frontman for theButthole Surfers, fired blanks
from a shotgun over the crowdduring their set at the 1991
Festival.
That's smart.
If that isn't a Butthole Surfers1991 music festival thing.
Oh my gosh, If somebody didthat now they'd get gunned down
in a second.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Now I have that damn song stuck in my head.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
God, god, sorry.
Nine Inch Nails was performingwith humble duct-taped gear in
1991, and their chords actuallymelted in the 100-degree Arizona
sun.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Now I did see Nine Inch Nails in 91.
I do know that.
Did I see them in 91?
I saw them twice Before yougraduated high school.
You saw them.
I want to say yes, because Isaw the cure before I graduated
high school.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
I didn't see the cure until I was like 19 or 20.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
I went to like my mom bought me tickets to the same
night as my senior prom.
I remember that and I thoughtshe was going to have a meltdown
about it.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
You were like yes, and I thought she was going to
have a meltdown about it.
You were like, yes, she waslike you have to go to your prom
.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
And I was like nobody there likes me, I don't want to
go.
We argued and argued and thenshe was like oh, heather, I got
you a present Tickets to thecure and I looked at it and I
was like ha-ha, night of theprom.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
So I spent my prom night with Robert Smith and the
boys Poor Patty, I know.
All right, so now we're goingto get to 1992, the one I really
want to talk about.
So once he got out in front ofthe people, Farrell saw that,
even if his band wouldn'tcontinue, there was a future in
Lollapalooza.
That being said, he alsorealized that if he went out
again with the exact same sortof setup, the counterculture
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would rise up to denounce thewhole thing as an empty cash
grab.
If he really wantedLollapalooza to succeed, he
would have to top the originalin every way, shape and form,
and that meant going bigger,much bigger.
That's why I say I picked theright year to go, Because you
know the first year was smalland that would have been awesome
to say you were there Right.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
And I feel like I mean I would have loved to see
Susie, yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
But I'm looking ahead and I can already see who I'm
going to be upset that I didn'tgo see Okay.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
To begin with, farrell decided that, rather
than limiting Lollapalooza to asingle main stage, he would also
bring out a second side stageon the road, allowing more bands
to join the tour.
The art display would becomeeven more elaborate, including
something called the RhythmBeast, a sort of interactive
sound sculpture.
Boos were set up to selleverything from artists' merch
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and fried foods to temporarytattoos and books.
You could even bungee jump onsite for a mere $79 a ride no,
thank you which was more thantwice the price of the ticket.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Well, it's hella dangerous.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
And I do remember, you know, I think that was
really my first exposure to likemerchandise booze and I was
just like wide eyed, like somuch cool stuff I had never seen
before, like you saw it on TV,and you're like where do people
get that stuff?
Because we're from the country,all the stage dressing and
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activities wouldn't have meant adamn thing, of course, if
Farrell couldn't assemble acompelling lineup, and in that
regard he came through in spades, I'll say Pearl Jam, sound
Garden, heather hates Pearl Jam.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Look Okay, unpopular opinion, I know, and looking at
me and knowing me, you wouldthink you're nuts.
I do not like Pearl Jam.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
I think I have a lot to do with that you 100%.
It's have a lot to do with that, you 100%.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
It's not a lot, it's all.
So she played 10 over and overand over and over.
I do like one Pearl.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
On a cassette tape.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Yeah, so I can sing every Pearl Jam song ever done,
because radio at the time playedit anyway.
So I know the words and I just,I, still, I still can't get
down with them.
Soundgarden Kind of feel thesame way about Soundgarden
because it sounds exactly likePearl Jam to me.
The Chili Peppers I never was afan of the Chili.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Peppers.
I love the Chili Peppers.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
I just think I wasn't a grunge fan.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Yeah, that is true, you were a more alternative.
Yeah, and heavier.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
I either went like way lighter, like the cure of
the smiths lionel richie, butthe cure of the smiths depeche
mode I went yeah, I went thatway.
Or, ministry, nine inch nailslike I?
There was no, I don't think Ilike the in between, yeah, but I
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mean I do like rage and I don'tknow, yep, so, yeah, so after
ministry yeah, he is.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Yeah, ice cube, uh, the jesus and mary chain lush,
which I love.
I like lush.
They were, like some of thefirst, like electronic kind of.
It was like fantasy electronic?
Speaker 2 (23:58):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Her voice was just beautiful.
Cypress Hill, house of Pain,ice-t Porno for Pyros, luscious
Jackson and the Stone TemplePilots were among the bands who
rocked Lake Fairfax Park thatday, because that's where I saw
it.
Some of the lineups did vary bycity but I only included the
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ones that I wanted to see, solet's go through the lineup.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Fuck everything else, screw you if you didn't go and
don't know who was on there.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Yes, so I went in August of 92, which would have
been weeks before I met you.
Yes, because I probablyactually wasn't even a week
before I met you, because it wasAugust 14.
And we would have moved into UD.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
I moved in Memorial Day or Labor Day weekend.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Oh, because I'm not till September.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Yeah, I was a freshman, so we moved in earlier
than oh yeah, I was.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
I.
It was my first time living oncampus but I did my first year
remote, so I was a sophomore.
Um, yeah, so pearl jam.
So that's probably why I wasjust like head over heels for
them, because I had seen themand I have always had a big
crush on eddie vetter.
She has sound garden, I canhonestly say it makes me kind of
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sad because he's passed away,but I don't remember a lot about
His voice is fucking amazing.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
It is I will give you that I just I don't care for
Temple of the Dog.
I just don't think I care for.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, I can sing it All right.
So I, the Red Hot Chili Peppers, closed out the day.
Ministry played before them.
The place was muddy as fuck.
I think I had long lost myshoes because I just wore
sandals.
That sounds awful.
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Oh my gosh In the heat of thesummer.
Literally felt like you werewalking in squishy clay.
It was really weird walking indisgusting squishy clay.
Like it was really weird, yeah,so.
So, ministry, we are literallyin the mosh pit, like on the
outer edge.
Like on the outer edge whereyou're still getting hit but
you're not in it.
Because I wanted to be up frontfor the chili peppers.
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And in my head I'm thinking ifI can survive, ministry, this
close, I'll be, fine for thechili peppers.
So ministry ends, we live,survive, get through that.
And I'm just with my friendSammy and she is just.
I mean, I was tiny back then,she was tinier.
So we are right up front forthe Red Hot Chili Peppers.
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They come out out, they openedwith uh, breaking the girl,
which is my favorite chilipepper song.
Um, and we instantly got crushedlike I have never been so
scared in my life, like, andpeople were trying to pick like
my friend up because she waslittle and everybody rode the
crowd back then.
Yeah, and she's like grabbing ahold of me to try to avoid
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getting hoisted up and lost inthe crowd, right, so we end up
in the middle of the very firstsong.
We grab each other's hand, weput our heads down and we just
started walking backwards and itprobably took us 45 minutes to
an hour to get out of that.
I mean we're just hearing songafter song.
We finally get, because thecrowd was huge.
We finally get to the back ofit.
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People are getting pissed at usbecause we're trying to push
through, even though we'reclearly having panic attacks.
We make it all the way to theback and there were trash
dumpsters back there.
So we climbed up on top of atrash dumpster, way far away
from the crowd, all the way backby the fence, and we sat there
and we watched the rest of theshow from there and we were
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never so happy to be alive.
Um, yeah, it was terrifying, I,yeah, I, because we had been
going to accelerate.
So ministry to me was asviolent as it got.
You know, like the kids inthere would all go crazy, I.
I got my kneecaps busted.
That's probably what's wrongwith my knees today.
So I was like you know they'renot going to be violent.
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Oh Lord, it was so scary.
Anyway, next on the list turnedout to be my surprise favorite
of the day Ice Cube.
I didn't know what to expect.
Yeah, I was a young littlewhite girl.
I didn't know anything aboutthis kind of music and it was
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the best fucking show maybe I'veseen to this day, like amazing.
So, yeah, that's where my loveof hip hop started.
Jesus and Mary Chain that'sanother one of those right in
the middle there for you.
I like some of their stuff, butI'm sure you're meh.
Yeah, lush, I love you're meh.
Um, cypress hill and house ofpain I don't remember a lot
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about, but I wish I would haveremembered house of pain since
that was our-, that's our song.
That's our theme song when wewere in college and we'd go to
the frat parties, the fake fratparties.
Yeah, we would just go wanderaround and go into a basement
and find a red cup and a keg,and when they ran out of beer
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we'd leave and go find a red cup.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Okay, first of all, the one we went to.
The beer was downstairs in thebasement that they had done up
like a dance.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
They had black lights and stuff.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
So that was the beer, and Nicole and one of her
friends, because there was fourof us that did everything
together.
So two of them went for thebeer and two of us went upstairs
where the grain lived Ugh,grain, yeah, and we had a lot of
fruit punch, we did, and grainalcohol.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
And then we went in the basement and jumped to jump
around.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
To jump around and had a good old time until the
wee hours of the morning.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Speaking of those two , when we were talking about
Pearl Jam, it reminded meRemember when we would go to my
friend's place in Pencator toget high Mm-hmm and he and one
of our friends every time we'dgo first.
When he would hit the blunt hewould cough every single time
yes, he did Like aggressively.
And then he would start everysingle time yes, he did
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Aggressively.
And then he would start singingEvenflow, but he only knew the
words Evenflow, so he would justkeep going Evenflow, evenflow,
every time.
God.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Those were the days.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
They were All right.
Ice-t I remember him being goodtoo, but didn't have the
impression on me that Ice-Q did.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Here's the thing about Ice-T that just cracks me
the fuck up.
No, is it Ice-T To have fuckedthe police?
Mm-hmm yeah, and then hebecomes a police officer on.
Law and Order SVU.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Weird and he's on car repair insurance.
Well, you know, I love him.
I love Coco.
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Don't get me wrong, I love him.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
No, no, no, I know you do.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
I wonder how you go from fuck the police to playing
one on TV.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
I follow Coco on all the socials.
She cracks me up and their kidis so cute.
That kid is cute, looks justlike him.
Just like him but has the sassof Coco.
Oh my gosh, it's hilariousPorno for Pyros, obviously.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Did you like them?
I'm going to say yes.
I'm going to say I have to sayyes because my husband has a
Porn Over Byros tattoo on hisback so yes, I loved Porn Over
Byros.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
How about Luscious Jackson?
Speaker 2 (31:43):
I'd have to think about that.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
I like them.
I have to think about whatsongs they had.
It's not going to come.
I can't get the words, though.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
And STP, again one I wish I had more memories about,
since Again, I have to like thembecause my husband is huge and
has told me I don't know 563,000times that he saw STP and was
up front and Scott looked at himin his eyes and they had a
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moment it's like me and DonnieWahlberg and then he was dead,
like three weeks later orsomething, I don't know.
Oh my gosh, I've heard thatstory.
I want to say once a month inthe six years we have been
together.
Excuse me, Seven years we havebeen together.
I have had to hear it the otherday.
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He was like stp came on the,the serious satellite radio and
he was like man and I was like,oh my god, no, no, I know, right
up front he looked you in theeyes, oh, anyway, Tickets for
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the all-day show were $32.50.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
And I know that for sure because I still have my
ticket stub, which is whatprompted this.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
I want to see what that is in today's money.
Okay, continue on while I workwith that.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
And an estimated 25,000 fans showed up.
That's a lot for back then.
Pearl Jam, who were barely ayear removed from their
breakthrough record 10, wereadded to the tour.
So were their Seattle cohorts.
Soundgarden, ice Cube andCypress Hill held it down for
the hip-hop contingent.
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But Lollapalooza in 1992 wasmostly about the alt-rock groups
and bands like Red Hot ChiliPeppers who were riding high on
their fifth album Blood Sugar,sex Magic, what $350.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
God damn.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Whew, that's crazy.
I know that can't be right.
I was rich back then Googlelied to me, you.
I was rich.
Back then, google lied to me, Iwas so rich back then I did
have disposable income.
Let me look maybe it's a lie,but yeah, blood sugar sex magic
is probably my favorite album oftheirs, except under the bridge
.
I hate under the bridge so much.
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Probably the radio's fault.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Oh no, I lied, it's $80.
Oh okay, that's much morereasonable.
Yeah, although Ocean's Callingis $175 a day, that's nuts, yeah
.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Lollapalooza 1992 kicked off with back-to-back
blowout shows at the ShorelineAmphitheater in Mountain View,
California, about an hour southof San Francisco, on July 18th
and 19th.
For the next two months thefestival wound its way across
the entire country and someparts of Canada, hitting the
Midwest, snaking over to NewEngland, New York, then diving
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down south and shooting backover for three consecutive
extravaganzas at the IrvineMeadows Amphitheater just
outside of LA.
So I would have been right atthe end of that tour, because
they would have hit New York andwent south.
And man, something else Iremember about that day.
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It was a car full of us and myfriend's mom had the old style
station wagon and that's what weall I mean.
You were hippies no, and I havepictures from there too.
I'm gonna have to dig them out.
I was going through and lookingfor some old pictures and I
found some good ones, some onesthat gave me some uh ideas.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
But oh god yeah, some ideas, but oh, God, yeah, I
don't have any pictures of myyouth.
I got rid of all of them.
They're all gone, ay-yi-yi.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Yeah, I don't want to know.
Along the way, pearl Jamburnished a reputation as one of
the can't-miss high-flying livebands of their entire
generation.
Playing to people that you'dnever played to before, it was
like you know what we're goingto play.
We're going to take this tosome level that people aren't
going to forget.
Lead singer Eddie Vedder saidin the band's biography Pearl
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Jam 20.
If that means risking your lifeto do something that they won't
forget in some kind ofadolescent evil Knievel way,
we're going to do it.
Vedder wasn't joking.
The lead, the singer, regularlytook his life into his own
hands during their set, jumpinginto the crowd, climbing up tall
sculptures and danglingprecariously while watching the
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audience cheer him on from downbelow.
It was utter madness, but itdefinitely left a big impression
and I can definitely picturelike 10 different times seeing
eddie vetter I've never seeneddie vetter in concert, but I I
know that he did that yeah yeah, hanging off the scaffolding
was like the crazy ones, I meanit really.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
You can't understand a goddamn word.
He says so yeah, so you can.
You can mumble into amicrophone from anywhere um.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
On the musical front, lead guitarist mike mccready
regularly brought the house downsoloing, soloing like a madman
on his Fender Stratocaster,tossing in bits of classics like
Jimi Hendrix's Voodoo Childinto the middle of their own
songs like Porch.
Even though 10 was currentlysitting in the top 10 on the
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Billboard album charts, pearlJam were given a spot near the
bottom of the bill, regularlyhitting the stage sometime
around 2 pm.
A couple of weeks before thetour there was an opportunity
for us to renegotiate not justthe money but the time slot
basis, jeff Ament recalled.
But we were like nah, we don'twant any added pressure to the
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situation Adding.
We still have an absolute blastplaying shows, but I don't know
that we've ever had more fun ona tour.
We were playing intense showsbut within an hour I'd be
playing basketball with Flea andIce Cube, though there was good
feelings between all of theacts on Lollapalooza that year.
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The key to this tour working isgroups coexisting.
Ice-t said If you take onegroup on this tour and they're
assholes, they won't make it.
There was an especially solidbond between Pearl Jam and
Soundgarden.
I think it was one of myfavorite tours of my career
because we shared a lot ofcamaraderie.
Singer Chris Cornell recalledof Pearl Jam 20.
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Chris Cornell recalled of PearlJam 20.
It's like your buddies you grewup with that.
You played in front of 10people with for years and now
you're on tour together playingfor 25,000 people, and it seems
to mean something culturally.
Soundgarden held it down in theafternoons as well, playing
some of the hardest material ofany band on the bill.
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Cornell was probably the bestpure vocalist on the tour, as
you said, uh, and regularly blewpeople away with his four
octave instrument have you everheard his version of billy jean?
Speaker 2 (39:08):
I don't know it's.
It's beautiful.
Okay, it's amazing.
He slows it way down, like wayit's really.
I'll have to listen to it.
Yeah, it's pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
Nothing can quite prepare you for the utter
savagery of songs like OutshinedJesus Christ Pose, Rusty Cage
and Slaves and Bulldozers.
In a nod to Ice-T, they alsobusted out a cover of his
controversial song Cop Killer,Fuck the Pose.
They also busted out a cover ofhis controversial song cop
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killer, just to show how tightthey were.
When vetter missed the bus fromone gig to another in virginia,
which could have been the onethat I was like, that you could
have picked up.
Oh, can you imagine?
Oh, my gosh.
Uh cornell volunteered to fillin for him in pearl jam.
While he was on stage justabout to start singing, the
Soundgarden frontman wasinterrupted by a vetter who
managed to make it to the venueby hitchhiking out on the open
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highway.
I love that story so much.
With wide smiles on their faces, they launched into their
Temple of the Dogs supergrouphit Hunger Strike.
That song would get aired outlive once again during
Soundgarden's set at the shownear their hometown in Bremerton
, Washington, as well as duringa few stints together
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acoustically, on the smallerside stage.
As the headliners charged withclosing the festival out, the
Red Hot Chili Peppers werereally up against it.
At that exact moment they werestill in the process of breaking
in new guitarist Eric Marshall,who had the unenviable task of
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filling in for John Fouchiant,who had quit the band just a
month or so before the tourstarted.
It's a cosmically confusing,fucked up situation to lose a
family member like that.
Anthony Kiedis told RollingStone we didn't want it to
happen.
Emotionally it's very sad anddisheartening, but that's what
happened and we had to carry on.
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Despite the obstacles, theChili Peppers held it together
and put together incredibledisplays of funk rock wizardry
for 90 minutes at a time on anightly basis.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
That's too much Chili .
Speaker 1 (41:24):
Peppers yeah, especially when people are dying
, getting crushed to death 90minutes is just too much.
It was nuts.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
They were good, though Once I got to the back I
could actually I don't eventhink I could name off 90
minutes worth of red hot chilipeppers.
Oh, especially at that time.
Because what blood sugar sexmagic was that out?
That was just out, that wasjust yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
Mm, hmm.
According to most accounts, thebreakout star was ice cube, who
made an incredible impression,backed by his group lunch mob,
the suburban white kids thatmade up most of the crowds.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
Me.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
We're incredibly receptive to hearing the former
NWA member burn the place downeach night airing out materials
from his three solo albumsAmerica's most wanted death
certificate and theificate andthe Predator.
I didn't know what to expect,cube said, but when I did the
first two or three songs and saweverybody was into it, I had to
jump out into the crowd.
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The energy translated, even ifthe message of the song like the
wrong end to fuck wit and howto Survive in South Central.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
While drinking your juice in the hood, went over
their heads Fucking.
Love that movie.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
It cracked me up when I first read the White Suburban
Kids after I was just like, ohmy God, I loved Ice Cube, but it
sounds like he was into it soit's all good.
Well, it's a whole new audience.
Everybody had fun.
Chris Cornell summed up whatLollapalooza was in those early
days, probably better thananyone else, in an interview he
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gave to the metal magazineKerrang that same year.
I think it was the alternativeculture coming together for a
non-alternative audience tocheck out the great, unwashed
mass of young kids raised on MTV, showing up by the thousands to
praise their heroes and bangtheir heads, which is pretty
much what it's remained eversince.
The only thing that's reallychanged in the last 25 years
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really are the mediums whichthose kids consume pop culture
and the bands who make up thebill, except the Chili Peppers,
who have performed Lollapaloozathree times since, including as
recent as last year.
They were pretty great then too.
I don't know about that.
So I just found like I wentthrough and corrected all these
because throughout a lot of whatI read they're like the kids
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call it Lola, and I was sofucking annoyed with it and so I
went into I went into myscript and I corrected every
lola and put in lalapalooza, butI missed one and I just found
it.
I was gonna say that says itright there and I'm very sad,
but whatever, what lalapalooza 2has proven is that there is a
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serious market for youthcounterculture Counterculture.
See, I was looking ahead that Ihad to say feral next, so it
was counterculture, feral and Iwas like whew, that's a lot.
Feral told Rolling Stones in1992, the good news is that
these people will sooner orlater be in positions of
prominence and we have takenthem to school.
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Looking out at the landscape offestival culture as it exists
in 2017, which is when thisarticle was from, it's amazing
how true that predictions turnedout to be.
See you all at Grant Park.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
So I did not.
I don't even remember I'm goingto be honest at Grant Park, so
I did not.
I don't even remember.
I'm going to be honest.
I remember vaguely Lollapalooza.
I don't remember wanting to go.
I know I wouldn't have gone.
A it was the summer, so Icouldn't have gotten off work.
B it was summer, so I couldn'thave gotten off work.
Um, C the summer of 92 it wassummer, so I couldn't have
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gotten off work.
See, the summer of 92 waspretty shitty for me.
So yeah, then I went to UD.
That was a really bad time ofmy life prior to getting to UD,
so that was also a reason why Iprobably didn't want to go
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especially by august it was.
I was ready to go somewhere thatwasn't here.
So I don't really.
I vaguely remember where, wherewas it?
Where did you see fairfax?
You went all the way to fairfax.
That was that, that was.
Was that as close as it came?
Speaker 1 (45:58):
you know what?
To be perfectly honest, I don'teven know remember how I ended
up going.
I mean, I was with a stationwagon full of my friends.
So, fairfax is pretty far.
One of us was like I don't knowwho got the tickets.
I I mean, I would guesssomebody's parents would have to
order all our tickets and weall paid them back.
I don't know who got thetickets.
I mean, I would guesssomebody's parents would have to
order all our tickets and weall paid them back.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
I don't know.
Yeah, I mean, I guess thatwould have been a DC show,
fairfax.
Speaker 1 (46:19):
Would have been close enough to DC that it would have
been a DC show.
Speaker 2 (46:23):
I'm surprised there wasn't a Philadelphia show,
though.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
Yeah, I don't know, I have no idea, or at least like
Hershey.
I just idea, or at least, likehershey, I just remember the
ride down.
I know we stopped at a grocerystore when we got down there to
get something to drink and asnack.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
I remember dancing a lot so did you just go for the
day and then you just came back?
yep, oh, to be young and dumbagain oh yeah, oh yeah, I can't
even imagine that now like thethought, oh yeah, oh yeah, I
can't even imagine that now Likethe thought every time I see a
concert and it's like, okay, solike the Cure came around and I
was like, oh, I really want togo see the Cure and Depeche Mode
Both came around this summer.
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I was like, oh, I really wouldlike to see Depeche Mode again,
I would really like to see theCure again.
And then I was like, oh, it'sso far and I'd have to get a
hotel room because I can't stayup that late and then drive all
the way home and tickets areexpensive and there's gas money
and you gotta take off work andyou gotta drive and you gotta
(47:25):
get a hotel room.
So much.
Speaker 1 (47:30):
Yeah, that's where we were, like, let's go.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
And that's just it Like shit in the 90s.
Yeah, that's where we were,like, let's go.
And that's just it Like shit inthe 90s.
Yeah, that's what you did, wewould get in it for quite Okay.
So after we lost my friend, wejust jumped in the car because
my friend was engaged to thisperson and so she kind of took
it hard, weirdly enough.
(47:54):
So we jumped in the car andwent to Florida for like a month
.
Speaker 1 (47:59):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
Yeah, we didn't come back till like May, April,
something like that.
That was a horrible time too.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
Because you had like your aunt had a place.
Her aunt, Her aunt.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
Her aunt and uncle had a place in Florida and we
stayed in the pool house, yeah,so you did shit like that, like
you just jumped in a car anddrove to Florida for no fucking
reason and then just drove backlike three days later.
I mean we did stay down therefor a month, but I don't think I
could do that now.
I mean I can't do that now.
(48:33):
I got to put PTO in, get thatapproved.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
I mean, you just find somebody to watch the dog, the
bird, somebody who will feed thecats.
Speaker 2 (48:48):
It's just a lot.
Speaker 1 (48:49):
Yeah, it's just a lot Gas is expensive.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
It is.
And then you know what I did?
I just watched the Kira concerton the YouTube and the Depeche
Mode.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
It was perfectly lovely I was like you know what?
Speaker 2 (49:00):
This is good enough, I don't need to be, I'll turn it
up loud, and that's anotherthing.
It's so fucking loud, oh yeah,it hurts your ears and I don't
even know what.
The last concert I saw was likethat I wasn't actually working
or in a city, I don't know.
It's been a long time since Iwent to like Philadelphia DC for
(49:21):
a, for a show.
Speaker 1 (49:23):
I think mine's Firefly.
Speaker 2 (49:25):
Yeah, but that's right here.
That doesn't count, right, likeI don't count the Freeman stuff
, but I I don't have any.
I must it might've been Madonna.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
Ooh, that was a long time ago.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
I know Well, I saw Madonna twice.
Speaker 1 (49:41):
Well, we saw Depeche Mode.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
Yes, oh yeah, in DC.
That might have been the lastthat was in Virginia.
Speaker 1 (49:50):
Didn't you drive?
You accidentally drove throughDC?
Yeah, I did.
And didn't they have everythingclosed off?
Speaker 2 (49:57):
Yeah, because the president was coming through.
Yep.
Yeah, I'm really bad at drivingin cities.
At that point, we won ticketsto that.
That's what that's.
Speaker 1 (50:07):
Oh, I won tickets to that.
Speaker 2 (50:10):
That might have been the last concert that I went to.
That was like far.
Speaker 1 (50:20):
It's just actually, I think, my last one besides um
wait, because I went to concertswith lydia um yeah, so my
youngest um.
So I saw um one direction thatwas in her younger days, oh boy.
But I also got to go see Tylerthe creator, which was excellent
(50:42):
.
He's great, I love him.
We went and saw Frank Ocean.
I don't know, she has reallygood taste in music, so
sometimes I would take her anddrop her off with her friends,
just sit out in the car.
But if it was somebody I wasinterested in, I'd buy a ticket
and go in too.
Speaker 2 (51:01):
It's just such a, and then they don't start till like
seven.
What is that?
Okay, let me just say this Iknow there's a comedian that
talks about this too.
Why on God's green earth dothese old bands who are playing
to old people, us Gen Xers whyDo they not have like a Sunday
(51:22):
afternoon concert, like at 2o'clock?
Speaker 1 (51:24):
I think Jamie Lee Curtis was actually really
pushing for that for a while,like a 2 o'clock concert.
What is wrong?
It's still dark inside.
Speaker 2 (51:31):
It's not like you can drink at 2 o'clock just as much
as you can drink at 7.30.
Yes, it doesn't make any sense.
I'm 2.
Speaker 1 (51:38):
I just can't stay up, yeah, and then they would leave
the concert and go out todinner.
It would be great for the localeconomy, exactly.
Speaker 2 (51:45):
It would be great, you know what?
Let's just that's it, new rule.
If the band appeals to a thenyou have to have it at two
o'clock matinees concertmatinees, I mean, it's not even
just that, the damn concertdoesn't even start till seven.
And then you gotta sit throughthe opening act, which I mean
(52:09):
okay, back then I didn't mindthem because I saw.
Poe one year and Marilyn Mansonopen for Nine Inch N because I
saw Poe one year and MarilynManson open for.
Speaker 1 (52:17):
Nine Inch.
Speaker 2 (52:17):
Nails I saw Garbage.
I forget who else Open for theCure.
Mazzy Star I saw Mazzy.
Speaker 1 (52:29):
Star.
Speaker 2 (52:30):
I saw Mazzy Star once .
It was Depeche Mode that sheopened for, so it was probably
the same show, yeah.
So then you got to sit throughthat and that's like 45 minutes.
Yeah, it was Depeche Mode thatshe opened for, so it was
probably the same show, yeah.
So then you got to sit throughthat and that's like 45 minutes
and you're like, oh my.
Speaker 1 (52:41):
God, now it's already nine o'clock.
I did also see Troye Sivan, butwho opened for him was Dua Lipa
.
Oh, I love Dua Lipa and Iremember when she played she had
a song that was popular.
It must have been her firstpopular song because I was like
oh my gosh, I actually know thissong.
I was so excited, and now Ijust love her.
Speaker 2 (53:03):
Hey, I know that song , yeah, I just I don't the
Freeman Stage 2, their shitdoesn't start till seven and
it's just like.
Speaker 1 (53:11):
I mean that's all old people, yeah, I have been there
.
Speaker 2 (53:14):
I mean, it is only like most of them do live there.
So I mean they're just walkingback and everything has to be
done by 10 o'clock, so theycan't be in there past 10,
although George Thurgood did.
They get fined if they go past10 o'clock.
And George Thurgood didn't comeout until I want to say it was
like 9 o'clock, Dang yeah,People were getting pissed.
Speaker 1 (53:37):
I saw George Thorogood about maybe six or
seven years ago at the DelawareState Fair.
He was excellent.
Speaker 2 (53:47):
Of course I've always loved him.
Once he actually did come onstage.
Yeah, he was very good.
Speaker 1 (53:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (53:52):
I did see.
I think my favorite show therewas the Violent Femmes.
Speaker 1 (53:57):
I can't believe I didn't go to that.
Speaker 2 (53:59):
The only part about it was they only played for like
45 minutes.
Speaker 1 (54:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (54:04):
And then Ben Folds Five played probably 45 minutes,
because now that I work there Iknow how the shows work.
Speaker 1 (54:10):
They all work.
Speaker 2 (54:12):
One plays for 45 minutes, the other one plays for
45 minutes.
So I don't know, I think thatmight have been the last one I
actually paid to go see.
Speaker 1 (54:23):
I saw Boys to Men there, that was fun.
Speaker 2 (54:27):
They've had some good stuff there.
The lineup was released thisyear.
Speaker 1 (54:29):
I've been there a couple of times I can't think oh
, I saw Huey Lewis there beforehis voice went.
Yes, blondie, and I saw theMary Poppins show they put on.
Oh dear God, Of course.
Speaker 2 (54:42):
No, nope, this year the lineup is not.
They released part of it.
Speaker 1 (54:50):
No, but my husband did look and he's really gotten
into like blues and there'ssomebody or two somebodies that
are playing there that hementioned he might like to see,
and he doesn't like to do thingsvery often so I was kind of
like he's like oh, I've neverbeen there.
Speaker 2 (55:11):
I am waiting for the second lineup to come out to
make my decision.
It's three that they do threeoh, I didn't know that, yeah
they do three okay um, sometimeseven four um, but usually it's
three.
Speaker 1 (55:25):
So so these are all supposed to be bands,
necessarily, that we don't careabout?
Speaker 2 (55:32):
yeah, usually the first one is just like that's
kind of interesting.
Speaker 1 (55:35):
But it's like thursday at a four-day music
festival.
Okay, then they'll put the like.
Speaker 2 (55:40):
Then they'll put, like whoever's the biggest
probably be in the next lineupto get you more excited about
the third lineup.
But last year it was nothingbut a bunch of cover bands.
And look, there's this one bandthat I will pay to see every
single time although I didn'thave to pay because I worked
(56:01):
there but abba cover really I'veseen them on there that it is.
Speaker 1 (56:10):
I haven't seen them.
I've seen them on the bestnight the absolute most fun.
Speaker 2 (56:15):
Everybody dresses up, oh wow they give out um when
you, when you come in the gates,they give out, like disco ball,
necklaces and I bet that's howsells out fast it actually
doesn't sell out.
Oh um, because it's generaladmission, so they can pack as
many people as they want oh okay, that and the Yacht Rock.
Speaker 1 (56:39):
I would like to do that one.
Speaker 2 (56:41):
That one's fun too.
I shouldn't say I don't carefor it, because then I knew
every damn song of it.
Speaker 1 (56:47):
That's exactly what I said when we watched the Yacht
Rock documentary.
I was like eh, it's not mymusic, but I guess I'll watch it
.
And then I sang through thewhole thing.
Speaker 2 (56:54):
Yeah, everybody wears captain hats.
Nice, and when you work there,you guess how many people were
actually wearing captain hats.
And then you win a prize whenyou work there.
I've never come close, butthose two nights especially are
a lot, a lot, lot, a lot of fun.
(57:16):
And you, the cover bandsusually are decent cover bands,
like it's not, like they're yeah, but it's a cover band.
It's a cover band, yeah althoughthe prince one was horrible,
awful, um, but abba, I meanhands down I and I think the
guitarist was in abba anyway.
So it's kind of like, not Imean it's a cover band, but and
(57:39):
they just every Abba song theychange clothes, I mean it's just
, it's a really good show, veryentertaining, and it's not just
saying that because I like Abba,they sound just like them.
It's a good show, nice, yeah.
So I can't decide if I'm goingto work there or not.
I don't think you should.
Speaker 1 (57:58):
But anyway, then there's no free shows, true.
So that was that.
That was really fun for me.
Yeah, I bet To remember that,and I hope somebody out there
listening also was there in 92.
At that particular show.
No, it doesn't have to be atmine.
Speaker 2 (58:18):
I'm sure a lot of people I mean obviously a lot of
people went, yeah, Because wewanted to.
I wanted to go, I don't knowwhy I had a wild hair and I was
like we should go to theWoodstock, Woodstock 93, right,
and my friend was like no.
Speaker 1 (58:36):
And I was like okay, you're probably right, because
that's what happens.
Speaker 2 (58:40):
Mm-hmm, I am like I'm going to do this and then I
have absolutely zero intentionof ever doing that.
Yeah, and I hate myself forsigning up for that.
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, but that's howI battle my anxiety.
Samesies by making myself doshit Samesies.
So if you did go toLollapalooza in 1992 or 91, but
(59:07):
not this year, email us and letus know how you enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (59:14):
I mean, if you went this year, you can email us too.
Fuck, no.
Speaker 2 (59:20):
Only if you heard Perry Farrell.
You can email us atlikewhateverpod at gmailcom.
You can find us on all thesocials I did want to say now,
nobody's listening.
I should have put this up front.
Apparently, I don't know,because I still have yet to test
it, but some people were havingtrouble finding us on YouTube,
(59:44):
and I think it's because it'slike whatever pod, but the L and
the W are both capitalized andI didn't realize that it had to
be that goddamn specific, forreal, I mean, but that might be
why I have didn't realize thatit had to be that goddamn
specific, for real, I mean, butthat might be why I have to
check into that a little bitfurther, but anyway.
So if you're looking for us onYouTube, try capitalizing the L
and the W.
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Socials like rate share, ratereview, all of those things.
Send the email, check us out onYouTube or don't Like whatever,
whatever.
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