September 18, 2024 • 31 mins
Discover how to make prayer as natural as breathing with our special guest, Sherry Harney! Sherry, the author of "Organic Prayer," joins host Helen Todd to share her wisdom on cultivating a continuous prayer life inspired by 1 Thessalonians 5:17. Together, they address the challenges of maintaining a consistent prayer routine and explore how prayer can organically deepen our connection with Christ and His mission.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Limitless Spirit, a weekly podcast with
host Helen Todd, where sheinterviews guests about pursuing
spiritual growth, discoveringlife's purpose through serving
others and developing a deeperfaith in Christ.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Welcome to Limitless Spirit.
I'm your host, helen Todd.
Today's episode takes a diveinto the basics of a healthy and
rich prayer life.
If you ever wrestle withdistractions while you pray, or
perhaps you don't quiteunderstand the verse in 1
Thessalonians 5.17, whereApostle Paul tells us to pray
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without ceasing, thisconversation with Sherry Harney
is eye-opening.
As Sherry and I talk about herlatest book, organic Prayer, we
discover the reason whyestablishing a healthy prayer
life can be so challenging.
We also talk about making ourfaith an organic lifestyle that
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can point others to Christ.
Hello, sherry, welcome to theLimitless Spirit.
How are you.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
I'm doing great.
Thank you, helen, and I'm sohappy to be with you today.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Well, I'm excited to talk to you about your book,
organic Prayer, but as wechatted a little bit before the
interview, I have discoveredyour wonderful ministry, organic
Outreach International.
So organic prayer is just alittle nugget of a much bigger
picture.
That's what I've learned and Iwant our listeners to learn more
about it, and it's about livingyour life authentically in a
way that draws people to Christ.
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I love it.
This is right at very close tomy heart.
But let's start with the book.
I think the subject of prayeris super important and something
that is personally important tome, because I always feel like
that's one area many, I guess inmy personal walk with Christ
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where I have definitely room togrow.
So what is organic prayer?
What is the book about?
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Yeah, organic prayer is really trying to help people
get a clear sense of the giftand the privilege that we have
to walk and talk with God at anytime, anywhere, in any
circumstance.
In 1 Thessalonians 5.17, itsays to pray continually.
That's a call for all of us.
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And what does that look like?
And I used to kind of strugglewith that verse, because how can
you attain that?
I mean, how can you praycontinually?
Attain that, I mean, how canyou pray continually?
And so the Lord, in a moment ofHoly Spirit clarity, spoke to
my heart and said it's not thatyou have to pray continually,
it's that you get to that.
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We always have that opportunityto pray at any time and
anywhere, and so I want peopleto really understand that prayer
can become as natural, organicas breathing.
You know it's our lifeline toGod.
Prayer brings God and that'swhat we want.
When I was growing up, I lovedthe hymn in the garden and the
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chorus went like this and Iactually have it.
I have a plaque that I alwayskeep on my desk and the chorus
goes like this and he walks withme and he walks with me and he
talks with me.
It's talking about Jesus and hetells me I am his own, and the
joy we share as we travel therenone other has ever known, and
even as a little girl I acceptedChrist at five years old.
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But I loved that chorus, thispicture of just walking and
talking with Jesus, and thatwhen you do that you get his
love, his heart, and you alsoget his mission and, like you
said, that's where your heart istoo.
And so this organic prayer isjust living a life that
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naturally prays, because weunderstand who we walk with.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
As you reminded me of that hymn.
You know I was thinking.
That hymn really describes Adamand God walking in the Garden
of Eden, which is our primalstate.
That's how God intended it tobe, so we were designed to walk
and talk with him at all times,but unfortunately we were kicked
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out of that garden and so nowit's not natural to us.
Well, when you think of prayer,the most natural prayer is when
we're in trouble or a desperateneed, and that's when prayer
comes out very naturally.
You know we run to our fathersaying help, help, that only you
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can help me there.
So that one is natural throughour fallen human state.
So how do you transition?
Well, another one is naturalwhen, I don't know, when I see a
gorgeous sunrise or sunset orthe mountains, you know, and it
helps you recognize howenormously beautiful and
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wonderful God is, and verynaturally I say wow, god, please
you for your glory and yourkingdom.
And also that's kind of natural.
But that state of continualprayer and continual talking,
how do you actually attain that?
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Yeah, well, one of the things that I talk about in
my book is posture, and wesometimes think, when we think
about praying, we think aboutclosing our eyes.
And when I was raising our boyswe have three boys, they're in
their 30s now but when they werelittle, one of the things I
wanted them to fully understandis that they could pray at any
moment, anytime, if they're onthe playground, that they can
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pray with God.
So when they were little, Itaught them how to pray with
their eyes closed, because ithelps them to focus on God.
But I also wanted them to begin, as a very young child, to
realize that if I'm in theplayground, I don't have to get
to a place where I can close myeyes to pray, which I think some
people still kind of believethat there's more power when the
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posture is eyes closed.
And so I actually did a fullBible study, like I read through
all scriptures Old Testament,new Testament I wanted to figure
out does it ever say we have toclose our eyes, or are there
even passages where people closetheir eyes to close our eyes,
or are there even passages wherepeople close their eyes?
I could not find one which wasso interesting to me Then why
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have we limited prayer to be acertain posture of mostly
closing our eyes when we prayed?
And story after story, likeNehemiah, when he was talking to
the king and asking permissionto leave to rebuild Jerusalem's
wall, it was in the middle of aconversation.
It's in the passage Nehemiah 2,and he's talking to the king and
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then it says, as he's talkingto the king, he prays.
And so we know that that wasdone in the middle of a
conversation, just asking theLord's help while he's talking
to somebody, and so just overand over in Jesus, his posture.
If you want to find out howJesus mostly prayed in terms of
posture, it was with eyes open,looking up to heaven.
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And so this idea that you canpray anytime, anywhere, in any
circumstance, in the middle of aconversation, and it just
broadens that concept of, wow, Ican pray anytime while I'm
driving.
And here's the thing the moreyou pray, the more real he
becomes, and that is what hewants for us.
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He wants that.
It's like you said, that wasthe original intent in the
garden, walking and talking withGod.
And you know, thankfully, whenthe curtain was torn from top to
bottom, Jesus made that waythat we can do that.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
So let's talk about the practicality of it.
You know we are so distractedat any given moment.
At any given moment, the momentthat we open our eyes, there's
so much happening that iscompeting for our attention.
So I'm sure as everything, it'straining, discipline and habit,
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making it a habit that helpsyou, helps it to become natural.
But what are some of thepractical steps, maybe, that you
recommend in the book, to carvethose moments into all the
other things that are happeningin life with your eyes?
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Yeah, yeah, number one.
I want to first say that, forme, how this began to change in
me was a very like half a minute, a minute prayer that I do when
I wake up.
So one of the things that Irealized is that I needed God's
help to even pray morethroughout the day, and so I
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have done this every single day.
When I wake up, the first thingI do is I get on my knees and I
like the practice of obviously,you know, at times after
surgeries I can't do it, but aslong as I physically can, I get
on my knees, and for me that's astate of humility before God.
And then I ask God, and one ofthe things I just say Lord,
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thank you for the gift of thisday.
And now I'm asking you keep myeyes open today to opportunities
to share your love, to connectwith you, so that I connect with
others who don't know you yetand live this life of praying
continually, and I pray for Godto help me to do that.
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I think that that's one of thethings we have to do and give us
those opportunities, and so,first and foremost, ask for
God's help to do that and thenjust start doing things like.
One of the things practicallythat I like to do is I like to
pair my prayer life withsomething.
So Kevin, my husband Kevin,who's a pastor as well, one of
the things we do is wheneverwe're driving and we pass a
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church while we're driving, wealways pray for that church.
We pray that they would honorJesus and the gospel message and
so start to pair prayers.
I have a friend who walks herdog every night and she uses
that opportunity.
While she's walking her dog sheprays with her eyes open for
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her neighbors, and so she'spairing something she does every
day that she wouldn't normallyhave thought to be praying
during that time, and using theopportunity to pray and so you
start doing it.
Another way practically that youcan do this is you know, even
to start just with Christianfriends and you're in the middle
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of a conversation and you knowsomeone shares that you know
maybe a child is going through ahard time and then you, just in
the middle, you say you knowwhat.
We don't even need to close oureyes.
God is listening to this.
Lord, would you help myfriend's son during this?
You know hard time and you startkind of weaving it in to your
conversations, even with otherChristians.
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My husband and I do it all thetime now, but we had to get good
at that.
I mean it was a little awkwardat first, but now every day.
It's interesting because weworked really hard to have a
prayer time together every dayand it seemed like it never
happened unless we were reallyworking on it.
And then we realized why don'twe just weave prayer in our
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conversations?
And so now throughout each daywe probably pray a dozen times
when we're talking to oneanother, because we just
naturally move into prayer,because God is hearing the
conversation, he cares about thethings we're talking about, and
so those are just a few ways tostart practically enlarging
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your prayer life with others andalso just as you're alone.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
So do you think there's such thing as over
praying?
Like you know, sometimes thereare people that say oh, I don't
do anything without asking theLord.
I ask the Lord what color shirtI should wear today and whether
I should turn right or left,you know.
And so do you think there'ssuch thing as too much?
Speaker 3 (12:09):
You know what?
That is a great question.
Each person has to answer thatfor themselves.
For me, that does not bring mecloser to the Lord.
You know, I have anunderstanding that for me, god
gives me that freedom to pickthe shirt I want to wear today.
But I have met I actuallyremember this conversation I had
with a very godly gentleman.
He loved the Lord and he didthat.
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He prayed about everything andI remember thinking I don't
think I would pray that way, butI looked at him and his
relationship with the Lord wasamazing, and so I think that
that is a person.
You know, an individualperson's choice to figure out
how much you pray in those kindof settings.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Well, I think that's a great answer because it goes
right along with.
You know the fact that if acertain food offends a person in
your company, then don't eatthat food, or if you find it
offensive to you, then you havethe liberty to do that.
It doesn't mean that it's sinor it's bad, it's just we do
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enjoy certain freedoms in theLord.
You know, it's interesting.
When you first started talkingabout posture, before you
explained what you were talkingabout, I my mind went into like
spiritual posture and the wordhumility.
You know, I thought that's theroute that you're taking.
You were talking about theactual physical posture, but
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wouldn't you agree that humilityis essential to healthy prayer
life, because that's where itall begins, right?
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Absolutely.
And when you think about yourreference to the fall, it was
pride.
Exactly that cost right, andthat is such a great point to
bring up, because what is prayerabout?
It's about dependence on God.
That's what prayer is.
That's all prayer is.
Dallas Willard has this amazingquote, too, that I love so much.
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This is what he says learningto pray in the power of God is
the primary place we learn tolive with the power that God
gives to you, and what I thinkhe's saying here is that as much
as you pray, that's how muchpower God's going to give you,
because if you get power fromhim and you're not praying, it
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can lead to pride and thinkingthat, wow, look at what I've
done.
But when you're praying forGod's power and you realize that
that power came from youpraying, then the honor and the
glory goes back to God andthat's where it should always go
.
And so I I love that conceptand it has stirred me that God
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will give you as much power forhis work and as you pray for I
think that's a great tip toremedy your prayer life.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
You know, if you, if a person feels like they're
struggling with that, maybethat's the time to examine
yourself and ask a question Am Ibeing too self-sufficient, am I
leaning too much on myself andnot so much on God?
And, of course, god hasbeautiful ways of bringing us
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back to ground zero.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Our lives are to glorify God first and foremost,
and so he is concerned aboutthat.
And so, yeah, that's a greatpoint to bring up, helen.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
So we touched on this in the beginning of the
interview, that organic prayer.
And, by the way, for those ofour listeners who are intrigued
by your book and the concept, Iwill post the link in the show
notes to your website or Amazonwhere they can pick up the book.
I think it's a very, veryimportant read.
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The book is just a part of abigger picture and you and your
husband, kevin, we lead theministry called Organic Outreach
International.
Kevin, we lead the ministrycalled Organic Outreach
International, so share a littlebit with our listeners.
What is this ministry all about?
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Sure, it really is about helping people, and we
have kind of a fun way we say itto share Jesus with people in a
way that doesn't freak them outor you out, and it's just about
living the kind of life thatnaturally draws people to Jesus.
It's all about sharing ourfaith and the message of Jesus,
the gospel of the message, inaction and in word, in a way
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that feels authentic, real tothe people around us, wherever
God places us.
Our organization does exist totrain and mobilize Christians
organizations, churches,denominations and we do minister
globally and to help everybeliever be able to share the
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gospel in a way that feelsauthentic and real and natural.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
And so, yeah, yeah, I am very curious to hear more
about it because, you know, myhusband and I lead a missions
organization.
We work in 34 countries and theother side of that organization
is to involve the body of Christin Great Commission hands-on,
not just by praying for orsupporting financially, but by
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going and sharing the gospel.
It is incredible to see howmany people feel that stirring
because I mean, it was given toall of us with no exception, you
know, and so the people respondto.
That is incredible.
But then, when it comes to whenthey discover, coming with us
on a mission trip, that they'renot going to be painting
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buildings, they're not going tobe working with their hands,
that they are expected to sharethe gospel, it's astounding how
few Christians are equipped andknow what it looks like.
So let's talk about and I lovethe concept of training people
to do it in a way that isauthentic to them, because we're
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all unique and you know, andit's a gift from God, that you
and I are not the same personand we have these individual
personalities and talents andweaknesses that are just part of
God's handiwork.
So what is the authentic way toshare the gospel?
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Right and one of the things that we teach.
We teach, obviously, the gospel, the message of Jesus on the
cross, and we teach people howto share that gospel message.
But we also tell people thatyou have hundreds of testimonies
.
You have hundreds of stories inyour life where God has shown
up, he's been present in yourlife, he's made a difference,
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where God has shown up in powerand then also just in day-to-day
life opportunities, which wetry to let people know, that you
, as you're talking with friendsand helping them through their
hard times those that don't knowJesus is you you can just share
a way that God has helped youin a similar situation and you
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can actually have a testimony ofGod's power and presence in
your own life.
And hopefully what they'll sayis well, if you had help and
that made a difference in you,maybe I can also have help, and
we have so many testimonies.
I just told the story tosomebody about how I went into
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physical therapy one day and itwas my first physical therapy
appointment and so I just prayedon the way there.
I said, Lord, if there'ssomeone that works in the office
or I know I'm going to be therefor a few weeks that I can
share the love of Jesus with.
Please help me.
Well, the first person I cameinto contact was with the lady
that runs the office and we soonbecame friends because I was
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coming pretty regularly and shehad to work on me a little bit.
And when we would work shewould talk to me about being a
single mom with a daughter andshe would start sharing things
about raising her daughter.
All I would do would say atappropriate times, because the
friendship was established, andI would just say you know, when
I was raising our sons, when wewere raising our sons, honestly
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I couldn't do it without God'shelp and I would go to him for
wisdom.
The Bible tells us we can ask.
Well, it was thoseconversations that she shares
with people.
Now that said to her I think Ineed to go to church and learn
more about the God that Sherry'stalking about.
So she started coming to ourchurch and she accepted Jesus
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and her daughter accepted Jesusand now her daughter is older
and out and sharing stories ofGod's provision in their life
with everybody she meets.
And so this idea that you haveto learn that there are
wonderful ways that, as you areinteracting with people, that
you can be authentic about yourown life and share those
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testimonies, and it's our hopeand prayer that people will look
on and say, wow, I want tolearn more about that.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
This is beautiful, because this is exactly what we
tell the people who come on themission field with us is all you
have to do is tell your story.
That's all you're required todo, whatever story that Jesus
has done and, like you said, wehave.
Each one of us has so many ofthese stories.
But you know, speaking oftestimony and jumping back to
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the book, organic Prayer, so doyou have some testimonies that
in your personal life and walkwith Christ, after having this
revelation about praying withyour eyes open, that you feel
enriched, you your faith, ormaybe your relationship with
people?
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Yeah, Well, I'll just tell you one story that
happened to me as I started topray in the morning and asking
God for me to be outwardcentered, not just think about
myself, and be open.
I actually had to fly to afriend's funeral, actually, and
when I got on the plane and Iwas very excited it was
Southwest air, where you don'tget assigned a seat, but
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according to what place in theline it determines how good your
seat is actually and I was atthe front.
And so, as I'm walking in,trying to find the best seat I
could find, the Holy Spirit justwhispered to me, reminded me of
my prayer and like, oh, is thiswhat your life is about?
All about your comfort?
And so, just as I was walkingdown, I just said to Lord, I
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don't know what you're doing,god, but I'm going to, on
purpose, not pick the best seatI was going to pick, and he
didn't tell me where to sit.
But I sat in a different seat,not a great seat, sat in the
window instead of the aisle, andI just prayed.
I said, god, if you're up tosomething, I want to keep
learning and growing.
And so the young gentleman about30 years old sat next to me.
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Well, he didn't talk to me atall, but in the middle of the
flight there was a bit ofturbulence that was so bad that
it created conversation betweenus, and a bit of turbulence that
was so bad that it createdconversation between us.
And then we started talking andhe began to talk a little about
his life, his job, and all Idid was listen.
This is part of organicoutreach.
We care for people wherethey're at, but praying during
the whole time and just, lord,if this, if you're up to
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something, I want to.
I want to make sure that I cangive hope to somebody.
Well, at one point he began toshare about his mom passing and
that it really really was sohard for him and he was
investigating Buddhism, he toldme.
And so I was like, okay, well,tell me what have you learned
about Buddhism?
And just listen.
I listened to him for about anhour and then, when he was done,
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you know, I kind of justsharing and things I said, hey,
I said you talked about thatyou're trying to find peace.
Would you mind if I shared withyou how I find peace in my life
?
And so I just began to shareabout Jesus, and he was very
attentive and so I was able toshare.
And at one point, as we werelanding, and he said that he was
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really blessed by what I wassharing, I actually said to him
and I did my whole thing aboutprayer.
I said I would love to pray foryou, but we're on a plane, and
I said we don't need to closeour eyes, and God is here, he's
listening.
We're kind of talking quietlyand I even told him.
I said I'm not even going tograb your hand.
You know, sometimes we havethese certain ways that we think
we have to pray, and so we justprayed that he'd meet Jesus,
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and so it was really sweet.
At the end of the prayer heactually grabbed my hand and
kind of squeezed it and so I gotoff the plane.
But I got his contactinformation and we went back and
forth and he thanked me.
I sent him some books and hesaid that the time was uplifting
and has really given him a lotto think about and he had taken
the next step of faith.
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And so it was such a beautifulstory for me because it really,
for me, encouraged me.
I need to pray more about how Ikeep my focus on others and not
on myself.
It's usually in moments ofsharing and being kind and
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giving that people are most opento hear what you have to share.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
That's a beautiful story and so relatable to me and
those who are listening whotravel and go on the mission
trips.
You know even the seat.
Maybe we should ask God eachtime we get on the airplane and
have an option to choose a seat.
Maybe we should ask shall I sitin 22B Lord?
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Helen, the interesting thing is, because I
don't fly Southwest a lot, I flyUnited, but you get your seat
assigned.
So I've started a new thing andI have stories.
I could tell you probably sixstories where I just say to the
Lord, lord, my seat is assigned.
But if you have something, ifyou want me to sit by somebody
else and you change it, I couldgo on for an hour right now and
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tell you six different stories.
I got changed because of weightdistribution.
You know.
I got changed one time and I,when I was watching it happen, I
was like and I'm human, I'mlike, oh, here it goes, god's
answering my prayer.
So this family had someteenagers and they wanted to all
set with their parents and andthey had some small children.
And so I heard my name getcalled up and I had to give up a
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good seat.
But I ended up sitting next tothe dad alone and he had once
known faith and was notfollowing Jesus.
But the fact that I was willingto let his family sit together
and it was me and him behindthem, I was able to share with
him about really thinking abouthis roots and that he was
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raising kids without instructingthem on the ways of the Lord.
So I mean, once you start doingthis, helen, and you know this-
oh, I do.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
This is a very relatable conversation to me
because my flights are like 13hours, so when I'm asking God to
rearrange my seat, I'mcommitting.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
And here's the thing I got moved up to first class
once, but I sat next to a guyonce we started talking who told
me he was an atheist and we hada two and a half hour
conversation.
I shared the gospel with hispermission, but I got moved to
first class for that one thegospel, with his permission, but
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I got moved to first class forthat one.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Wow, that was so God, so beautiful.
And you know, it made me think.
These stories made me thinkthat when we are not living that
prayerful life, how much we'remissing out on, you know, not
only receiving something fromGod like blessings and
possessions and stuff, but we'remissing out on a meaningful
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life, more meaningful, moreimpactful life.
You know, and who would wantthat?
Speaker 3 (27:49):
right.
Yes, and Helen, I always, Ialways say prayer is the great
adventure because it justconnects.
It connects us with God's workand his mission and if we're
truly for Jesus, we have anexcitement to be used of him.
And that's why this is why,helen, I start my day every day
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on my knees, because I need areminder.
And I get tender even talkingabout it, because I'm selfish in
nature.
I want comfort, you know, and.
But God says that that's not,that's not what I called you to.
He said I would die, I wouldcarry a cross every day.
You know I would die to self,but the beautiful thing is, when
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you die to self and you releasethat to God, it's a great
adventure.
So it's a wonderful adventure.
Yeah, so prayer is the greatadventure.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
It really is, because it's like a portal that
connects us to this supernaturallifestyle and so not relying on
our own abilities, which arevery limited, but allowing God
to enter our lives.
Oh my goodness, so many, somany benefits of that.
I know that our listeners aretotally going to benefit from
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reading this book, and we willalso post a link to Organic
Outreach International in theshow notes, and you mentioned
that there are a lot of freeresources there.
I think it's a big blessing.
Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Yeah, thank you, Helen.
Great time with you.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
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Until next time, I'm Helen Todd.
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Welcome to Limitless Spirit, a weekly podcast with
host Helen Todd, where sheinterviews guests about pursuing
spiritual growth, discoveringlife's purpose through serving
others and developing a deeperfaith in Christ.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Welcome to Limitless Spirit.
I'm your host, helen Todd.
Today's episode takes a diveinto the basics of a healthy and
rich prayer life.
If you ever wrestle withdistractions while you pray, or
perhaps you don't quiteunderstand the verse in 1
Thessalonians 5.17, whereApostle Paul tells us to pray
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without ceasing, thisconversation with Sherry Harney
is eye-opening.
As Sherry and I talk about herlatest book, organic Prayer, we
discover the reason whyestablishing a healthy prayer
life can be so challenging.
We also talk about making ourfaith an organic lifestyle that
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can point others to Christ.
Hello, sherry, welcome to theLimitless Spirit.
How are you.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
I'm doing great.
Thank you, helen, and I'm sohappy to be with you today.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Well, I'm excited to talk to you about your book,
organic Prayer, but as wechatted a little bit before the
interview, I have discoveredyour wonderful ministry, organic
Outreach International.
So organic prayer is just alittle nugget of a much bigger
picture.
That's what I've learned and Iwant our listeners to learn more
about it, and it's about livingyour life authentically in a
way that draws people to Christ.
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I love it.
This is right at very close tomy heart.
But let's start with the book.
I think the subject of prayeris super important and something
that is personally important tome, because I always feel like
that's one area many, I guess inmy personal walk with Christ
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where I have definitely room togrow.
So what is organic prayer?
What is the book about?
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Yeah, organic prayer is really trying to help people
get a clear sense of the giftand the privilege that we have
to walk and talk with God at anytime, anywhere, in any
circumstance.
In 1 Thessalonians 5.17, itsays to pray continually.
That's a call for all of us.
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And what does that look like?
And I used to kind of strugglewith that verse, because how can
you attain that?
I mean, how can you praycontinually?
Attain that, I mean, how canyou pray continually?
And so the Lord, in a moment ofHoly Spirit clarity, spoke to
my heart and said it's not thatyou have to pray continually,
it's that you get to that.
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We always have that opportunityto pray at any time and
anywhere, and so I want peopleto really understand that prayer
can become as natural, organicas breathing.
You know it's our lifeline toGod.
Prayer brings God and that'swhat we want.
When I was growing up, I lovedthe hymn in the garden and the
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chorus went like this and Iactually have it.
I have a plaque that I alwayskeep on my desk and the chorus
goes like this and he walks withme and he walks with me and he
talks with me.
It's talking about Jesus and hetells me I am his own, and the
joy we share as we travel therenone other has ever known, and
even as a little girl I acceptedChrist at five years old.
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But I loved that chorus, thispicture of just walking and
talking with Jesus, and thatwhen you do that you get his
love, his heart, and you alsoget his mission and, like you
said, that's where your heart istoo.
And so this organic prayer isjust living a life that
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naturally prays, because weunderstand who we walk with.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
As you reminded me of that hymn.
You know I was thinking.
That hymn really describes Adamand God walking in the Garden
of Eden, which is our primalstate.
That's how God intended it tobe, so we were designed to walk
and talk with him at all times,but unfortunately we were kicked
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out of that garden and so nowit's not natural to us.
Well, when you think of prayer,the most natural prayer is when
we're in trouble or a desperateneed, and that's when prayer
comes out very naturally.
You know we run to our fathersaying help, help, that only you
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can help me there.
So that one is natural throughour fallen human state.
So how do you transition?
Well, another one is naturalwhen, I don't know, when I see a
gorgeous sunrise or sunset orthe mountains, you know, and it
helps you recognize howenormously beautiful and
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wonderful God is, and verynaturally I say wow, god, please
you for your glory and yourkingdom.
And also that's kind of natural.
But that state of continualprayer and continual talking,
how do you actually attain that?
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Yeah, well, one of the things that I talk about in
my book is posture, and wesometimes think, when we think
about praying, we think aboutclosing our eyes.
And when I was raising our boyswe have three boys, they're in
their 30s now but when they werelittle, one of the things I
wanted them to fully understandis that they could pray at any
moment, anytime, if they're onthe playground, that they can
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pray with God.
So when they were little, Itaught them how to pray with
their eyes closed, because ithelps them to focus on God.
But I also wanted them to begin, as a very young child, to
realize that if I'm in theplayground, I don't have to get
to a place where I can close myeyes to pray, which I think some
people still kind of believethat there's more power when the
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posture is eyes closed.
And so I actually did a fullBible study, like I read through
all scriptures Old Testament,new Testament I wanted to figure
out does it ever say we have toclose our eyes, or are there
even passages where people closetheir eyes to close our eyes,
or are there even passages wherepeople close their eyes?
I could not find one which wasso interesting to me Then why
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have we limited prayer to be acertain posture of mostly
closing our eyes when we prayed?
And story after story, likeNehemiah, when he was talking to
the king and asking permissionto leave to rebuild Jerusalem's
wall, it was in the middle of aconversation.
It's in the passage Nehemiah 2,and he's talking to the king and
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then it says, as he's talkingto the king, he prays.
And so we know that that wasdone in the middle of a
conversation, just asking theLord's help while he's talking
to somebody, and so just overand over in Jesus, his posture.
If you want to find out howJesus mostly prayed in terms of
posture, it was with eyes open,looking up to heaven.
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And so this idea that you canpray anytime, anywhere, in any
circumstance, in the middle of aconversation, and it just
broadens that concept of, wow, Ican pray anytime while I'm
driving.
And here's the thing the moreyou pray, the more real he
becomes, and that is what hewants for us.
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He wants that.
It's like you said, that wasthe original intent in the
garden, walking and talking withGod.
And you know, thankfully, whenthe curtain was torn from top to
bottom, Jesus made that waythat we can do that.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
So let's talk about the practicality of it.
You know we are so distractedat any given moment.
At any given moment, the momentthat we open our eyes, there's
so much happening that iscompeting for our attention.
So I'm sure as everything, it'straining, discipline and habit,
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making it a habit that helpsyou, helps it to become natural.
But what are some of thepractical steps, maybe, that you
recommend in the book, to carvethose moments into all the
other things that are happeningin life with your eyes?
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Yeah, yeah, number one.
I want to first say that, forme, how this began to change in
me was a very like half a minute, a minute prayer that I do when
I wake up.
So one of the things that Irealized is that I needed God's
help to even pray morethroughout the day, and so I
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have done this every single day.
When I wake up, the first thingI do is I get on my knees and I
like the practice of obviously,you know, at times after
surgeries I can't do it, but aslong as I physically can, I get
on my knees, and for me that's astate of humility before God.
And then I ask God, and one ofthe things I just say Lord,
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thank you for the gift of thisday.
And now I'm asking you keep myeyes open today to opportunities
to share your love, to connectwith you, so that I connect with
others who don't know you yetand live this life of praying
continually, and I pray for Godto help me to do that.
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I think that that's one of thethings we have to do and give us
those opportunities, and so,first and foremost, ask for
God's help to do that and thenjust start doing things like.
One of the things practicallythat I like to do is I like to
pair my prayer life withsomething.
So Kevin, my husband Kevin,who's a pastor as well, one of
the things we do is wheneverwe're driving and we pass a
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church while we're driving, wealways pray for that church.
We pray that they would honorJesus and the gospel message and
so start to pair prayers.
I have a friend who walks herdog every night and she uses
that opportunity.
While she's walking her dog sheprays with her eyes open for
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her neighbors, and so she'spairing something she does every
day that she wouldn't normallyhave thought to be praying
during that time, and using theopportunity to pray and so you
start doing it.
Another way practically that youcan do this is you know, even
to start just with Christianfriends and you're in the middle
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of a conversation and you knowsomeone shares that you know
maybe a child is going through ahard time and then you, just in
the middle, you say you knowwhat.
We don't even need to close oureyes.
God is listening to this.
Lord, would you help myfriend's son during this?
You know hard time and you startkind of weaving it in to your
conversations, even with otherChristians.
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My husband and I do it all thetime now, but we had to get good
at that.
I mean it was a little awkwardat first, but now every day.
It's interesting because weworked really hard to have a
prayer time together every dayand it seemed like it never
happened unless we were reallyworking on it.
And then we realized why don'twe just weave prayer in our
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conversations?
And so now throughout each daywe probably pray a dozen times
when we're talking to oneanother, because we just
naturally move into prayer,because God is hearing the
conversation, he cares about thethings we're talking about, and
so those are just a few ways tostart practically enlarging
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your prayer life with others andalso just as you're alone.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
So do you think there's such thing as over
praying?
Like you know, sometimes thereare people that say oh, I don't
do anything without asking theLord.
I ask the Lord what color shirtI should wear today and whether
I should turn right or left,you know.
And so do you think there'ssuch thing as too much?
Speaker 3 (12:09):
You know what?
That is a great question.
Each person has to answer thatfor themselves.
For me, that does not bring mecloser to the Lord.
You know, I have anunderstanding that for me, god
gives me that freedom to pickthe shirt I want to wear today.
But I have met I actuallyremember this conversation I had
with a very godly gentleman.
He loved the Lord and he didthat.
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He prayed about everything andI remember thinking I don't
think I would pray that way, butI looked at him and his
relationship with the Lord wasamazing, and so I think that
that is a person.
You know, an individualperson's choice to figure out
how much you pray in those kindof settings.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Well, I think that's a great answer because it goes
right along with.
You know the fact that if acertain food offends a person in
your company, then don't eatthat food, or if you find it
offensive to you, then you havethe liberty to do that.
It doesn't mean that it's sinor it's bad, it's just we do
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enjoy certain freedoms in theLord.
You know, it's interesting.
When you first started talkingabout posture, before you
explained what you were talkingabout, I my mind went into like
spiritual posture and the wordhumility.
You know, I thought that's theroute that you're taking.
You were talking about theactual physical posture, but
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wouldn't you agree that humilityis essential to healthy prayer
life, because that's where itall begins, right?
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Absolutely.
And when you think about yourreference to the fall, it was
pride.
Exactly that cost right, andthat is such a great point to
bring up, because what is prayerabout?
It's about dependence on God.
That's what prayer is.
That's all prayer is.
Dallas Willard has this amazingquote, too, that I love so much.
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This is what he says learningto pray in the power of God is
the primary place we learn tolive with the power that God
gives to you, and what I thinkhe's saying here is that as much
as you pray, that's how muchpower God's going to give you,
because if you get power fromhim and you're not praying, it
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can lead to pride and thinkingthat, wow, look at what I've
done.
But when you're praying forGod's power and you realize that
that power came from youpraying, then the honor and the
glory goes back to God andthat's where it should always go
.
And so I I love that conceptand it has stirred me that God
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will give you as much power forhis work and as you pray for I
think that's a great tip toremedy your prayer life.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
You know, if you, if a person feels like they're
struggling with that, maybethat's the time to examine
yourself and ask a question Am Ibeing too self-sufficient, am I
leaning too much on myself andnot so much on God?
And, of course, god hasbeautiful ways of bringing us
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back to ground zero.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Our lives are to glorify God first and foremost,
and so he is concerned aboutthat.
And so, yeah, that's a greatpoint to bring up, helen.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
So we touched on this in the beginning of the
interview, that organic prayer.
And, by the way, for those ofour listeners who are intrigued
by your book and the concept, Iwill post the link in the show
notes to your website or Amazonwhere they can pick up the book.
I think it's a very, veryimportant read.
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The book is just a part of abigger picture and you and your
husband, kevin, we lead theministry called Organic Outreach
International.
Kevin, we lead the ministrycalled Organic Outreach
International, so share a littlebit with our listeners.
What is this ministry all about?
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Sure, it really is about helping people, and we
have kind of a fun way we say itto share Jesus with people in a
way that doesn't freak them outor you out, and it's just about
living the kind of life thatnaturally draws people to Jesus.
It's all about sharing ourfaith and the message of Jesus,
the gospel of the message, inaction and in word, in a way
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that feels authentic, real tothe people around us, wherever
God places us.
Our organization does exist totrain and mobilize Christians
organizations, churches,denominations and we do minister
globally and to help everybeliever be able to share the
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gospel in a way that feelsauthentic and real and natural.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
And so, yeah, yeah, I am very curious to hear more
about it because, you know, myhusband and I lead a missions
organization.
We work in 34 countries and theother side of that organization
is to involve the body of Christin Great Commission hands-on,
not just by praying for orsupporting financially, but by
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going and sharing the gospel.
It is incredible to see howmany people feel that stirring
because I mean, it was given toall of us with no exception, you
know, and so the people respondto.
That is incredible.
But then, when it comes to whenthey discover, coming with us
on a mission trip, that they'renot going to be painting
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buildings, they're not going tobe working with their hands,
that they are expected to sharethe gospel, it's astounding how
few Christians are equipped andknow what it looks like.
So let's talk about and I lovethe concept of training people
to do it in a way that isauthentic to them, because we're
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all unique and you know, andit's a gift from God, that you
and I are not the same personand we have these individual
personalities and talents andweaknesses that are just part of
God's handiwork.
So what is the authentic way toshare the gospel?
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Right and one of the things that we teach.
We teach, obviously, the gospel, the message of Jesus on the
cross, and we teach people howto share that gospel message.
But we also tell people thatyou have hundreds of testimonies
.
You have hundreds of stories inyour life where God has shown
up, he's been present in yourlife, he's made a difference,
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where God has shown up in powerand then also just in day-to-day
life opportunities, which wetry to let people know, that you
, as you're talking with friendsand helping them through their
hard times those that don't knowJesus is you you can just share
a way that God has helped youin a similar situation and you
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can actually have a testimony ofGod's power and presence in
your own life.
And hopefully what they'll sayis well, if you had help and
that made a difference in you,maybe I can also have help, and
we have so many testimonies.
I just told the story tosomebody about how I went into
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physical therapy one day and itwas my first physical therapy
appointment and so I just prayedon the way there.
I said, Lord, if there'ssomeone that works in the office
or I know I'm going to be therefor a few weeks that I can
share the love of Jesus with.
Please help me.
Well, the first person I cameinto contact was with the lady
that runs the office and we soonbecame friends because I was
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coming pretty regularly and shehad to work on me a little bit.
And when we would work shewould talk to me about being a
single mom with a daughter andshe would start sharing things
about raising her daughter.
All I would do would say atappropriate times, because the
friendship was established, andI would just say you know, when
I was raising our sons, when wewere raising our sons, honestly
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I couldn't do it without God'shelp and I would go to him for
wisdom.
The Bible tells us we can ask.
Well, it was thoseconversations that she shares
with people.
Now that said to her I think Ineed to go to church and learn
more about the God that Sherry'stalking about.
So she started coming to ourchurch and she accepted Jesus
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and her daughter accepted Jesusand now her daughter is older
and out and sharing stories ofGod's provision in their life
with everybody she meets.
And so this idea that you haveto learn that there are
wonderful ways that, as you areinteracting with people, that
you can be authentic about yourown life and share those
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testimonies, and it's our hopeand prayer that people will look
on and say, wow, I want tolearn more about that.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
This is beautiful, because this is exactly what we
tell the people who come on themission field with us is all you
have to do is tell your story.
That's all you're required todo, whatever story that Jesus
has done and, like you said, wehave.
Each one of us has so many ofthese stories.
But you know, speaking oftestimony and jumping back to
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the book, organic Prayer, so doyou have some testimonies that
in your personal life and walkwith Christ, after having this
revelation about praying withyour eyes open, that you feel
enriched, you your faith, ormaybe your relationship with
people?
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Yeah, Well, I'll just tell you one story that
happened to me as I started topray in the morning and asking
God for me to be outwardcentered, not just think about
myself, and be open.
I actually had to fly to afriend's funeral, actually, and
when I got on the plane and Iwas very excited it was
Southwest air, where you don'tget assigned a seat, but
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according to what place in theline it determines how good your
seat is actually and I was atthe front.
And so, as I'm walking in,trying to find the best seat I
could find, the Holy Spirit justwhispered to me, reminded me of
my prayer and like, oh, is thiswhat your life is about?
All about your comfort?
And so, just as I was walkingdown, I just said to Lord, I
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don't know what you're doing,god, but I'm going to, on
purpose, not pick the best seatI was going to pick, and he
didn't tell me where to sit.
But I sat in a different seat,not a great seat, sat in the
window instead of the aisle, andI just prayed.
I said, god, if you're up tosomething, I want to keep
learning and growing.
And so the young gentleman about30 years old sat next to me.
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Well, he didn't talk to me atall, but in the middle of the
flight there was a bit ofturbulence that was so bad that
it created conversation betweenus, and a bit of turbulence that
was so bad that it createdconversation between us.
And then we started talking andhe began to talk a little about
his life, his job, and all Idid was listen.
This is part of organicoutreach.
We care for people wherethey're at, but praying during
the whole time and just, lord,if this, if you're up to
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something, I want to.
I want to make sure that I cangive hope to somebody.
Well, at one point he began toshare about his mom passing and
that it really really was sohard for him and he was
investigating Buddhism, he toldme.
And so I was like, okay, well,tell me what have you learned
about Buddhism?
And just listen.
I listened to him for about anhour and then, when he was done,
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you know, I kind of justsharing and things I said, hey,
I said you talked about thatyou're trying to find peace.
Would you mind if I shared withyou how I find peace in my life
?
And so I just began to shareabout Jesus, and he was very
attentive and so I was able toshare.
And at one point, as we werelanding, and he said that he was
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really blessed by what I wassharing, I actually said to him
and I did my whole thing aboutprayer.
I said I would love to pray foryou, but we're on a plane, and
I said we don't need to closeour eyes, and God is here, he's
listening.
We're kind of talking quietlyand I even told him.
I said I'm not even going tograb your hand.
You know, sometimes we havethese certain ways that we think
we have to pray, and so we justprayed that he'd meet Jesus,
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and so it was really sweet.
At the end of the prayer heactually grabbed my hand and
kind of squeezed it and so I gotoff the plane.
But I got his contactinformation and we went back and
forth and he thanked me.
I sent him some books and hesaid that the time was uplifting
and has really given him a lotto think about and he had taken
the next step of faith.
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And so it was such a beautifulstory for me because it really,
for me, encouraged me.
I need to pray more about how Ikeep my focus on others and not
on myself.
It's usually in moments ofsharing and being kind and
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giving that people are most opento hear what you have to share.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
That's a beautiful story and so relatable to me and
those who are listening whotravel and go on the mission
trips.
You know even the seat.
Maybe we should ask God eachtime we get on the airplane and
have an option to choose a seat.
Maybe we should ask shall I sitin 22B Lord?
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Helen, the interesting thing is, because I
don't fly Southwest a lot, I flyUnited, but you get your seat
assigned.
So I've started a new thing andI have stories.
I could tell you probably sixstories where I just say to the
Lord, lord, my seat is assigned.
But if you have something, ifyou want me to sit by somebody
else and you change it, I couldgo on for an hour right now and
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tell you six different stories.
I got changed because of weightdistribution.
You know.
I got changed one time and I,when I was watching it happen, I
was like and I'm human, I'mlike, oh, here it goes, god's
answering my prayer.
So this family had someteenagers and they wanted to all
set with their parents and andthey had some small children.
And so I heard my name getcalled up and I had to give up a
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good seat.
But I ended up sitting next tothe dad alone and he had once
known faith and was notfollowing Jesus.
But the fact that I was willingto let his family sit together
and it was me and him behindthem, I was able to share with
him about really thinking abouthis roots and that he was
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raising kids without instructingthem on the ways of the Lord.
So I mean, once you start doingthis, helen, and you know this-
oh, I do.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
This is a very relatable conversation to me
because my flights are like 13hours, so when I'm asking God to
rearrange my seat, I'mcommitting.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
And here's the thing I got moved up to first class
once, but I sat next to a guyonce we started talking who told
me he was an atheist and we hada two and a half hour
conversation.
I shared the gospel with hispermission, but I got moved to
first class for that one thegospel, with his permission, but
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I got moved to first class forthat one.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Wow, that was so God, so beautiful.
And you know, it made me think.
These stories made me thinkthat when we are not living that
prayerful life, how much we'remissing out on, you know, not
only receiving something fromGod like blessings and
possessions and stuff, but we'remissing out on a meaningful
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life, more meaningful, moreimpactful life.
You know, and who would wantthat?
Speaker 3 (27:49):
right.
Yes, and Helen, I always, Ialways say prayer is the great
adventure because it justconnects.
It connects us with God's workand his mission and if we're
truly for Jesus, we have anexcitement to be used of him.
And that's why this is why,helen, I start my day every day
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on my knees, because I need areminder.
And I get tender even talkingabout it, because I'm selfish in
nature.
I want comfort, you know, and.
But God says that that's not,that's not what I called you to.
He said I would die, I wouldcarry a cross every day.
You know I would die to self,but the beautiful thing is, when
(28:32):
you die to self and you releasethat to God, it's a great
adventure.
So it's a wonderful adventure.
Yeah, so prayer is the greatadventure.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
It really is, because it's like a portal that
connects us to this supernaturallifestyle and so not relying on
our own abilities, which arevery limited, but allowing God
to enter our lives.
Oh my goodness, so many, somany benefits of that.
I know that our listeners aretotally going to benefit from
(29:06):
reading this book, and we willalso post a link to Organic
Outreach International in theshow notes, and you mentioned
that there are a lot of freeresources there.
I think it's a big blessing.
Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Yeah, thank you, Helen.
Great time with you.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Likewise, I'm always so excited to meet like-minded
people like Sherry Harney, whocenter their lives around
winning souls to Christ.
There's hardly anything moremeaningful and lasting we can
accomplish in this life.
I invite you to follow the linkin the show notes and pick up
(29:47):
Sherry's book.
Explore Her Website.
If you are in pursuit of yourgreater purpose in life,
consider fulfilling the GreatCommission.
Pray and seek which part of theworld, far or near, jesus is
sending you to make disciples.
And then visit our website,rfwmaorg.
(30:08):
There you will find, each month, an opportunity to share the
gospel through short-termmissions in different parts of
the world.
If Jesus transformed your life,you are equipped to help others
experience the same Again.
Check out our website, rfwmaorg.
(30:30):
Until next time, I'm Helen Todd.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Limitless Spirit Podcast is produced by World
Missions Alliance.
We believe that changed liveschange lives.
If your life was transformed byChrist, you are equipped to
help others experience thistransformation.
Christ called his followers tomake disciples across the world.
World Missions Alliance givesyou an opportunity to do this
(30:57):
through short-term missions inover 32 countries across the
globe.
If you want to help those whoare hurting and hopeless and
discover your greater purpose inserving, check out our website,
rfwmaorg, and find out how toget involved.
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