UFC Riyadh Recap: Imavov KOs Adesanya | Benavidez Outlasts Morrell | FULL EPISODE - MORNING KOMBAT WITH LUKE THOMAS AND BRIAN CAMPBELL

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Really really.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Look at this now tempted.

Speaker 3 (00:15):
Jesus.

Speaker 4 (00:16):
Oh combat, do you want about.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
Doing what?

Speaker 2 (00:33):
It's time to bag? H oh? Yeah, hey we're back right.
Can you feel me? Can you feel what I'm saying
right now?

Speaker 5 (00:49):
No?

Speaker 1 (00:49):
All right?

Speaker 2 (00:50):
Hey, it's Monday, February third, twenty twenty five Live. Don't
you go dying on Live and direct from the NYC.
It's the end of the k Morning Combat, the stamp
combat sports show they ever friggin created. Welcome on in,
let us penetrate your face whole twoy because it is
time to bang BC BBC. That BD Brian Campbell right here.

(01:11):
That's Luke Thomas from the Nation's Capital, and Luke, we've
got a hell of a fight weekend to break down
on this Monday morning.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
I gotta say, if I may take command here.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Like like like Washington Football, that's right.

Speaker 6 (01:24):
Take command, hashtag raise hail uh hey, can we get
a hip hop worn in a round of applause.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
From Brian Campbell, everybody, Hey, yeah, you.

Speaker 6 (01:32):
I gotta say, it's no surprise to me when you
do well, you know what I mean. It's no surprise
to me, but for folks who didn't see what there
was of course we're gonna talk about it. The Benavidez
and morel PBC pay per view over the weekend, you were.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
On the call.

Speaker 6 (01:43):
Well, they had you working prelimbs, yes, main card, yes,
post fight interviews, all.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
For the same price that.

Speaker 6 (01:53):
We're gonna get that three for one Brian Campbell deal.
I gotta tell you, dude, you fucking killed it. It
was super smooth the entire time. And I'm just gonna
say this out loud. First of all, I'm very grateful
that PBC gave you this opportunity. I don't know what
the future holds, but I just want to say it's
bullshit that you don't have a more consistent gig like this.

(02:15):
Thank you, because nobody can listen to how well you
did on that broadcast and say that there are people
who get jobs in the industry like this because they're
more talented. Know the fuck they are not. They're just
as good, if not better than any of them. And
you did a fucking great job.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
Thank you so much, Thank you very much.

Speaker 6 (02:33):
I mean, you're still a fucking license, yes, I still have.
It came time on Saturday night to do the job.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
You did the fucking job.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
Thank you back in a drug rug like I belong
on Monday morning. But seriously, it's not about me. But
thank you everybody for reaching out.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
Really appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
Highlight moment in my career, no doubt about it. In
a great fight card. It wasn't hard to call that.
Shout out to Moron All and Abnamarus and the rest
of the crew. Thank you very much. We have a
fantastic show for you today as I mentioned. And a
reminder that Morning Combat brought to you by Draft Kings,
right DraftKings. The crown is yours, Thank you very much.
A little update, as we may have teased a little

(03:09):
bit this Friday in this studio Luke eleven am Eastern,
the normal morning combat time. It's gonna be you, Me
and the man in the damn hat, Chuck Mindenhaul doing
what having sex? How about pregame preview UFC three twelve
edition brought to you by Quervo Cannout fricking wait, Okay, yes,

(03:30):
last time we'll do it in the studio. Then we'll
do it like at a brothel or I.

Speaker 6 (03:33):
Don't want to make any promises, but we're definite gonna
have Chuck here.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
We're gonna do it like we did with when Jed
Mischue was here. Yes, and listen, I know the three
twelve card is not the strongest.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
You have seen your little nubs.

Speaker 1 (03:44):
Least we'll see this.

Speaker 6 (03:45):
I think if you dig a little bit, there's some
there's some value there.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
A lot of Jake Matthews on it.

Speaker 6 (03:50):
You know, a lot of a lot of guys with
the Australian flag in their bio.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
I'm not just gonna say it that way. Yes, yes,
shout out to mister Nocida.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
You can like the show. In fact, if you could
like this episode, subscribe on YouTube. If you haven't already,
you can follow us on the socials there, including our
YouTube channels. And also, please excuse me, I'm sorry, I'm
very filled with fluids. Follow as well. The third member
of our team, the main card minute host Bong Island
Luke no Sita. You can only hear him on Mondays,

(04:20):
but here he is from the studio Long Island. Luke,
how the hell are you?

Speaker 7 (04:24):
I'm doing good, great job this WEEKENDBC.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
Thank you well.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
I joined your podcast live this weekend and checked it out.
I enjoyed that much, so hopefully you had some great streams.
Hopefully you were streaming like a prime r Kelly. You
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (04:37):
We had to, you know, we had to intervene on
Luke's stream let him know he.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
Was they really did. Can I defend myself here publicly?

Speaker 2 (04:43):
Don't hassle the hoff please?

Speaker 6 (04:44):
So I was like muted on my stream for like
fucking almost not quite, but maybe like close to ten minutes.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
I blame to Cantila came through before you were there.

Speaker 6 (04:55):
She does come stomping through, that is true. Well, I don't, Luke.
What am I supposed to do about this? I I
have a mixing board that is not battery powered. It
is plugged into the PC. Nothing was ever disturbed about it.
It just calnked out in the middle of the broadcast
and I didn't see it until I didn't see the
levels moving, and that's when it was.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
How am I supposed to you know what? I mean?

Speaker 6 (05:15):
Like everything was because, for example, my camera has shut
off at various times because I forgot to plug it in.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
Nothing was unplugged. What am I supposed to do about that? Ship?

Speaker 8 (05:24):
Bro?

Speaker 7 (05:24):
I mean, there's nothing you can technically do about it
except maybe keep an eye on the mixer or see
that the lights right now? I have to do the
other thing, Luke, is keep an eye on your live
chat because everyone was paying money to tell you were
commuted by the ten minutes.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
There are times I've received d ms in the moment
when you're in, when you're in like a Thursday live chat,
people like you. Just please tell Luke this one thing
for me. Please. You know, you know.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
I'm sorry to everyone.

Speaker 6 (05:46):
But the good news is it was only between the
comine and the main so it didn't actually fuck up
the broadcast that bad.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
But sorry about.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
That problem, No problem at all. Anything else you want
to talk about, Luke before we get into the meat
of this show. Maybe the end of the road for
at Asynia. I mean, what a weekend. We saw everything
good at home? I was the life done?

Speaker 1 (06:06):
Yeah, pretty good, pretty good. I took Tuki and the
wife to a lego exhibit.

Speaker 6 (06:10):
There was a lawyer turned artist who just makes amazing
objects out of legos, and it sounds kind of silly,
like how good could it be? Yeah, it's it's way
more impressive than I ever anticipated. They had a life
size recreation of the giant heads from Easter Island.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
Like the ones that the Shamo ones.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
Yeah, Poeton said, yeah, it.

Speaker 6 (06:31):
Was like taller than me, and I was like, I
couldn't And it was brilliantly detailed a t Rex skeleton,
Like I just couldn't fucking believe how good it was.
If it comes here, it's a touring exhibit. So if
it comes to your town, seriously, go see it.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
Speaking of t Rex, real quick shout at Clorisa Shields
becoming the undisputed heavyweight champion on Sunday night and uh, unbelievable,
three divisions undisputed. Do you see in the cole Make
or one of those fights the two heavyweights went through
the ring there out they got counted out outside.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
I did see also that slip counter she used to drop.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
The yeah yeah, big punch lakes.

Speaker 6 (06:58):
And the last but not least, how luka doncis going
to the Lakers. I mean, I don't really care that much.
I just can't fucking believe Dallas did that.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
That was one of the biggest sports stories that wasn't
like arrest or death related in a long time, right,
you know, like that was like, holy crab, all right,
that is all that we're gonna get into the meat
of this show, though, right, bringin now and let's go
topic number one. We all saw it Saturday afternoon in Riod.
It was a UFC Fight Night card, but even bigger
it was the return of Israel out of Sonya, looking

(07:25):
to put the recent pass behind him against the rising
nas Ordine Imovov. But in the end a stunning second
round TKO win for Imovov despite a strong start for Izzy.
So Luke, we gotta be blunt, we gotta be real,
we gotta be honest. Four losses in his last five fights,
three of them by stoppage. Is he's thirty five years
old and all of these defeats of course, or since

(07:47):
twenty twenty two, is it time for one of the
greatest champions in this sports history to walk away from
him and may for good?

Speaker 1 (07:58):
I think that it is. Yeah, Wow, I think that
it is.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
We're not talking about downgrading your match making, We're not
talking about take a year off. We're saying this could
be the end right here.

Speaker 6 (08:05):
So what I would say to that is a couple
of things. You asked a question. Is now a good
time to close it?

Speaker 1 (08:10):
Now?

Speaker 6 (08:11):
Is a good time to close it? Whether or not
he will remain something different. Whether or not they agree
is something different. Also, could you imagine a scenario where
to the point you just raised, they downgrade the matchmaking
he pulls some kind of Jim Miller ish scenario. Yes,
of course you don't have to retire in that case.
It's not a claim that he can never win fights again.
I hope people understand that. But I really want folks

(08:33):
to take a look. They note that he's lost four
of his last five, and then three of those via stoppage,
two in a row via stoppage, but I really want
to focus in on the last three. He beats Poeton,
which was it appears to be the high water mark
of his career.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
That's one of the best singular victories in like in
terms of this, what was at stake? He had just
been stopped before, but it may have been him pouring
out the joke.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
I think it was him pouring out the jug because
then he loses to strictly and granted he was somewhat
compromised for it, but it was pretty thorough. But here's
the point. I want to make.

Speaker 6 (09:01):
You lose a five round decision to Strickland in September
of twenty twenty three, then in August of twenty twenty four,
you get stopped in the fourth round, and then here
against Nessardini Mavo, if you get stopped via strikes in
the second round, one of the tailtale signs that something
is headed very much in the wrong direction. To the

(09:21):
point or saying out loud, maybe I'm not saying intervention
from teammates is needed, but rather a personal sense of
what's actually happening. Inventoring in your circumstances is when you're
an elite fighter and there is no other way to
describe isy an elite fighter, and you're losing consecutive bouts,
that's not necessarily a big deal. Sure, But if you're

(09:44):
thirty five, you've never lost three in a row before,
and each time it is getting quicker, and each time
it is getting worse. You are headed to a place
where you are going to risk not merely losing, but
severe beatings that could be in your way.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
The diminishing returns become dramatic.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
This is this is where this train is headed.

Speaker 6 (10:06):
Yeah, so I'm not saying the next fight, no matter
who it is, he's gonna lose and lose in the
first round.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
It's really not that claim.

Speaker 6 (10:13):
But the claim is between you have three fights dating
back to September of twenty twenty three that all speak
to a and inexorable decline and also speak to the
direction this subway train is moving. It is moving to
a place and this is what I want to avoid BC.
It is moving to a place where he is going

(10:34):
to risk getting absolutely walloped in the process, affecting his
quality of life, affecting I mean, less to his legacy,
but really personal damage to himself. That is absolutely unnecessary,
especially since he's now at this point no longer really
in relevant conversations about getting back to a title place

(10:54):
to meaningfully add to the legacy.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
And it's crazy because if he would have won this fight,
I mean, you could have literally put him back in
there against Poton it light heavyweight for the title. And
now we have the exact opposite conversation. And it is
because of those three fights you mentioned it was lifeless
against Strickland. Maybe we wrote that off as how does
he get up for that fight after he got up
for the Poton one. But to see the last two
fights DDP. In this one where he looks really good,

(11:18):
he looks like the guy of old, and then when
it's overlooked. It's over like that. Remember DDP was like that.
It went from oh he's on the ground, Oh he's
tapped out, same thing here, one big shot. I think
what makes us even worse is this was the training
camp that I got the feeling from following his prefight
stuff that there was no stone left unturned.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
They went back to the basics, you.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
Know, got off social media like that kind of stuff,
that completely sequestered himself. And when all and he came
in in incredible shape, you saw some variety to his
striking and switching stances that you're like, Okay, they're trying,
you know, when you go to that level, and then
seemingly the first time you take a big strike, which
he did, fight was over. That's a huge sign. But
I do want to say he was poked in the
eye about ten seconds before the stoppage, and he made

(12:00):
the decision, which in hindsight seems to be a bad one,
to not take time. He wanted to do the warrior
thing and go no, I'm fine, let's keep fighting, kind
of like what Poeton did to Jamal Hill, and then
he finished him. Only it was Izzy that got finished
right after. It does that play a role in this
at all, or obviously the totality of the run is
he's on. We have to have these tough conversations right now.
But do you think that right hand that land did

(12:20):
had something to do with compromise vision off of coming
back too quick from an eyebook.

Speaker 6 (12:27):
All of these things have some kind of role to play.
I'm less convinced that it explains exactly what happened. And also,
if you're in the middle of a fight and there
is some video of Izzy saying he didn't want to
let the guy take the break because he didn't.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
Want to catch his wind fair enough.

Speaker 6 (12:44):
He wants to keep a high pace, and you saw
that from the first round he was coming out aggressive,
which I thought was a good idea. If you stuck
to that strategy and you elected to make that call
in the middle of the fight, then you accept the
consequences of it. So in a sense, I'm not saying
it's irrelevant, but it's not the defining factor of how
you understand this contest, not to me. To me, this
is a guy BC who again more than one hundred

(13:06):
profights tons of damage already, he's slowing down all natural
things that happened at the stage of a career. But
more to the point, we actually have a bit of
a moment to reflect on the kind of striking that
he has in later subsequent fights in his career. The
Cannoneer or the second Whitaker, the Vittori fight a lot
of his striking. Again, early on this is not the case,

(13:27):
but in the latter portion of his championship run he
had the kind of striking to essentially diffuse bombs and
manage rounds less to.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
Get over on a guy.

Speaker 6 (13:38):
And as the fighters get younger, as he gets older,
and they get better because they have better best practices
and they understand things that the previous generation did not.
You can't get by being older and managing rounds and
then diffusing bombs. You actually have to lay bombs on
these other guys, and that of course declines as you
get older. Again, these are all natural things. It's not
an insult.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
But he didn't. He didn't evolve to a certain degree
he is.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
The evolution.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
Is nasty in this fight.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
This is just what everyone gets wrong about. Is he is?

Speaker 9 (14:08):
He is?

Speaker 6 (14:08):
The evolution is he helped raise the level of striking,
not merely in that division, but overall in the sport.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
But that's the problem.

Speaker 6 (14:15):
You made every well, I mean again, so I'm not
saying you made everyone better in that like went one
by one, but the sport got better by virtue of
him and his team's participation in the way in which
they focused on certain elements of striking that we're here
too for not really all that incorporated. So the point
I'm trying to make is if everyone is now getting
younger and they already know all of your trade secrets,

(14:36):
and again there's already a shit ton of tape on
the guy, and the best you can hope for is
managing and diffusing. These are not circumstances that are going
to lead to consciousness to yes through twenty five minutes.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
And when you're seeing, like we said, these two big
fights end as soon as he's in trouble, it's over,
that's a huge sign. I didn't have any problem with
the stoppage. I mean, he got lit up by.

Speaker 6 (14:57):
I would like to ask a lot of Luke about that. Look,
here's my read on that stoppage a little early, But
I don't have a.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
Problem with it.

Speaker 7 (15:06):
I told BC when I first saw it in real time,
I was kind of complaining. I thought it was early,
but on replay, he was definitely out with those first
two shots. It's just the timing in which they chose
to stop it after that seemed a little week is that.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
But that left hand when he was down, that's enough.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
That's enough. So when he hit him with the right
that was bad.

Speaker 6 (15:23):
Yeah, the left one was really bad because then he
bellies out, he goes like that, and then you could
see him trying to get to his base a little bit,
and then he's getting bombed on and that's when Goddard
stopped it. But then as soon as Goddard stopped it,
he like had his knees under him. You know, it
was a bit of a weird thing. But I mean,
this is Mma. What do you want me to say?

Speaker 10 (15:43):
It is?

Speaker 2 (15:43):
It is? So Look, it was a shocking result. It
was shocking to see that. I happened to be driving
to T Mobile Arena, sitting behind Moro and Brian Custer,
who were watching on a feed that was ten seconds
say of the mind. So I heard the reaction and
then I looked down on the phone and kind of
waited for it to happen. It brought a lot of reactions.
In fact, it fueled YouTube content for Izzy. I'm surprised
he did this, but he sat down and rewatched it

(16:05):
shortly afterwards. And here's the result of his reaction, chopping
the legs.

Speaker 5 (16:12):
Early on around to you.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
Because he already just wrested from the thing.

Speaker 9 (16:23):
Oh say, stray game, stay game.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
Fuck. I mean, that's that's all about spits. I do
give Easy credit for doing that, but there's not much more.
There's not much else else you can say right now.
I mean, it is what it is of lad and
that's his reaction. Fuck, you know, like all that, But
did you see Mighty Mouse. Mighty Mouse seemed to take
this harder than everyone.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
I did not see it. Let's watch this reaction.

Speaker 5 (17:00):
Everybody, kick.

Speaker 11 (17:03):
A fuck, get up, get up there. Fuck fuck god.

Speaker 7 (17:12):
Damn it.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
Money on you just just love the.

Speaker 11 (17:17):
Goddamn it. Fuck god, damn it.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
Man. Oh h did you.

Speaker 11 (17:39):
Mass respect for Izzy man to go over there and
shake the hands? Man shake the hand of the man
who just knocked him out. Fuck man, Now I got
a fucking headache.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
Oh Luca, I don't, I don't.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
I mean, I just think I don't think you did
the out oft the the sorry the puah wee wave reaction.
Were you live this?

Speaker 1 (18:01):
I had a very muted readers.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
You're honest here as a fan and you respect Izzy
and he's he's you've been a champion of what he's accomplished.
It was hard to watch.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
I yes, but yes and no, like.

Speaker 6 (18:15):
Again, I noticed that meaning where I'm like, I'm not
playing with the toys anymore. But it's like, dude, I'm
When we talked on Friday, the best I could say
was I didn't know what was gonna happen. Yes, and
then when you see what actually happens, it confirmed some
of the more worrying suspicions that I had had, which
was he has reached the inexorable decline stage of his
elite career. And the reality is, dude, if you're this

(18:35):
kind of a fighter and you're in this kind of
a stage, the best thing to do is, from what
I've seen over the course of time, it's just to
stop the bleeding.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
And I I.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
And even if even if that means eighteen months from
now you get the itch again, yeah, that's fine, but
it is just got sleep.

Speaker 6 (18:49):
He comes back in here and have a fun two
zero five five, fine, fine, whatever, but I just want
to point out, like having watched Habib, having watched GSP
cut out before this part happens, there's no way to
stop this other than to just call the whole thing
off because this is where this is where we are now,
We are in the stage where harm is going to

(19:10):
be done to him routinely.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
I don't have great appetite for this. I don't.

Speaker 6 (19:15):
We got to see dude, we got to see the
very best of him. Yes, we are no longer there.
In fact, we're pretty far from it. What is the
attachment at this point? Let him return him, don't take.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
Care of don't but like, let him take care of
his fucking.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
Health, Like I mean, if he was freed, probably Box Jake.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
Let me just say that.

Speaker 6 (19:33):
Let me ask you the too this PC, because I
know we have been, you know, closer to fan experiences
in our life than we are these days. But I
am I gotta tell you, like when I see fans
hold on to a guy and they're just getting beat
and then beat and then beat, and like, oh, this
really depresses me. I've lived that, so I completely understand it.
But I'm definitely now in a place where that's not

(19:53):
the case.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
Anymore.

Speaker 6 (19:55):
I'm now in a place where I'm like, I like it.
I like it when they call it off early, like
it when they get out early. It actually makes me
feel much better. And I don't I have who pines
to see legends get whooped.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
The PF for that GFL does. To be fair, you
did mention GSP. He also GSP was in the crowd
and even though it was a Frenchman, the adopted Frenchman
and Imovov getting the win. Here's GSP's reaction and you
can see it, Luke on his face. It's hard, you know.
I mean, we have so much respect for Izzy.

Speaker 6 (20:28):
You saw DJ he dressed like a blackjack dealer in
nineteen seventy three.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
Hey, he looks like Leezer shoot Larrier right there. I
love that Shan.

Speaker 6 (20:34):
No one has put their collar outside of their jacket,
honestly since nineteen ninety four.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
That clip goes on and it's just a sad face
from GSP. All Right, we've said a lot about his
z Twenty two minutes into the show, how about we
talk about Nas Sardine Imovov four consecutive wins in the
middleweight division, all against good names, including the Leeds, Brendan
Allen and now stoppages of Jared Cannoneer and former champion
out Asania Luke. How big of a win because if

(20:59):
you would have told me in advance, is he's gonna
lose and it might be the end of his career.
I'm not thinking second round tkall off of a two
punch clean combination. This was shockingly big for a guy
that doesn't puck trash, you know, speaks a different language,
doesn't have a high profile, but move off can fight.
How big of a win is this?

Speaker 6 (21:18):
I think we have to be a little bit careful
about assigning huge value to it. It's definitely very good.
It is definitely extremely helpful in terms of what it
does for his stock standing all time place. As we
indicated the run he's on more recently with these four
wins in a row, and they're getting faster and faster,

(21:40):
by the way. To speak of that, we just talked
about how in the case of is he's wins, excuse me,
is he's losses, they're happening quicker and quicker. How about
this BC he decisions Roman deledze Imovov, does he TKO's
Jared Kennoneer in the fourth, he goes to a three
round decision with Brendan Allen and now two five four
three two one, it gets faster and fast and fester

(22:00):
for him as he ascends the latter. This is exactly
what somebody at twenty eight years old who is now
entering their physical prime, if they're gonna be elite and
they want to contend for a title, it has to
look like this. So on that sense and the on
that level, I absolutely give him an enormous amount of credit.
He's legit. He's at worst number four in this division

(22:22):
as far as I can tell, right because it's going
to be DDP, Sean Hamzat and him.

Speaker 1 (22:26):
Those are the guys now, it's those four.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
DDP and Sean are going to fight for a second
time on Saturday. Dana already said Chamaiav's got next, more
or less, I think he said it publicly. So would
Imovov need another big win over a top five games.

Speaker 6 (22:37):
I absolutely think he needs another top win over another
top guy. And the reason why I say that is
because twofold one, I don't think the loss is fluky.
I don't think that, but this is not easy from
two three years ago, and so he is going to
get caught a lot more easily than he once did.
And the second thing I'm going to say is he

(22:58):
lost the first round. Imovov did that doesn't that's not
like some scathing indictment, but is he did look pretty
good and for a moment there, Imovov looked slightly bewildered.
What I would like to see is a fight against
one more top guy, and again, if it ends up
in thirty seconds, what can you do. But I would
argue engineer matchmaking so that you can maybe trust that

(23:20):
whoever Imovov fights will push him, give you a decent
chance anyway of pushing him into later rounds, so you
can really see what it looks like when he has
to problem solve over the course of time. That's what
I would hope to see is that Robert Whittaker. Could
he get back out in time?

Speaker 2 (23:34):
I don't know that that's an interesting offering.

Speaker 6 (23:37):
A name that people brought up as well. And I
would love to get bowling on Luke on this one.
What do you think about now, Serdine Imovov taking on
Kyo Bohalio.

Speaker 7 (23:47):
I like that, but that's also like two surging prospects.
I almost feel like they should have done. Sorry, I
feel like they should have done that instead of this
easy fight right now.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
Well, Amovov's currently number five. I don't know if these
UFC ringers. Okay to carrat.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
Four, Yeah, remember his whole jaw got fucked up.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
Kyo is six, Victoria at seven. And then you go Cannon,
Aaron Allen who already Callan Allen, and Delitze who he's
already beaten, and then Paula Costa and Fluffy Ornandez you
wouldn't do, you wouldn't do, Bonickel, No, he's well beyond
this or kyohala.

Speaker 7 (24:17):
I think Fluffy's fighting Brendan Allen. I think like next month.
Yeah he if he wins a dark horse, Yeah, I
like that.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
I like that.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
That's it. That's a good point. That would be a
good matchup if he wins to streaking guys, right.

Speaker 6 (24:27):
But somebody like that, somebody Whittaker you would imagine, could
probably a little bit older, but can probably push him. Well, Hollio,
you definitely would imagine can push him, and certainly I
would also argue Fluffy can push him as well. That's
what we need to see. But if he answers that,
you got to give him a title shot. I mean,
that's just that, that's just simply where he is at
this place. So again, twenty eight years old, that's when

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the prime starts.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
And that's what he did on Saturday. Pretty impressive.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
It's weird because even though is he was knocked out,
he was kind of right back up afterwards, and it
looked like, oh crap, it happened and it's over. It
wasn't like he was, you know, out for a long
time and we were worried about him. But happens that
quickly on the sport.

Speaker 6 (25:04):
May I make a point it? May I make a
point if I can. I had tweeted over the weekend
that Izzy is inarguably the second best middleweight of all time,
and there's definitely a few reasons why you can say that.
But I would actually like to read a list of
fighters and BC, I would love for you to tell
me what they all have in common.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
Okay, I'm only going to read to you fifteen names.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
I guess flat Earth, it'd be a lot more than fifteen.

Speaker 6 (25:30):
Okay, all right, Tito Ortiz, John Jones, Daniel Cormier, Izzy Anderson, Silva,
Gsp Kamara, Usman Habib Jose, Aldo, Volk, Dominic, Cruz, DJ
and then on the women's side, Rousey, Nunez and Chevchenko.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
Is there any way to figure out?

Speaker 6 (25:48):
Mean, they're all UFC champions, of course, but beyond that,
what do they have in common?

Speaker 1 (25:51):
Because what the list I just read you, they're the
only fifteen in UFC history who have this.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
I was gonna say win streak, but that doesn't fit
that perfectly certain level of title defenses.

Speaker 6 (26:04):
No, although there probably will be some correlation, it's not
the one that I'm making. The answer is, these are
the only fighters whose championship reign lasted a thousand days
or more. It's the only ones, and there's only really
three of them who went over two thousand. It was
excuse me, four of them that went over two thousand
dj Aldo, but if you have to count his second reign,

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so you can skip that one. But DJ, GSP and
Anderson Silvera they're the only ones who went over two.
Now you might be asking who is left off of
that list? Great question. The answer is this, consider some
of these names who are around the nine hundred mark,
Max Holloway, Tyron Woodley, Pat Millitic, Matt Hughes, is over
a thousand if you count both of his reigns, but

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he doesn't have a single one.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
That's John Jones is probably over three thousand if.

Speaker 6 (26:48):
John Jones, John Jones only is over two if you
count both title ranks, but he's not over three.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
And then Yo Wanna and Jaychick is only at nine hundred.
Understand the level of what we are talking about out
here is he is in that club. I had people
trying to suggest on the timeline that Chris Widman deserves
as shot as number two. That is only true if
you've been hitting the head with a fucking hamm.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
Okay, but it's not that. Yeah, we did during the
pandemic at CBS Sports we did a division by division
all time ranking and I remember at that point we
had Wideman number two, and it was a little surprising
for me. But when he went over the history, this
absolute peak, that stretch of winds are.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
Very impressive and a very good chance.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
So would you put him at three?

Speaker 1 (27:28):
I'd probably put him at three.

Speaker 6 (27:29):
Yeah, I mean, it wouldn't be min A, wouldn't be
Bousta Monte, it wouldn't be rock holed. He would probably
be He'd be a three. But to me, it's a
something of a distant three. And the reason why is
it's not every title defense that is he has is
beyond reproach. The Uel Romero one was not super authoritative.
But two things that would say. One, here's his three
title defenses for Chris Widman Anderson Silva breaking his leg.

(27:51):
That's not his fault, but it just doesn't mean much.
That's the first thing i'd say. Second of all, it
was the Leota Michida win. That's a pretty good one.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
Damn good win.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
That was okay, But.

Speaker 6 (28:00):
That's also Bacheeta who got washed out of two of five,
cut weight to one NY five and only got it off.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
Of two wins. True, but no, no, it's a good win.

Speaker 6 (28:06):
It's a good win of all the wins he's got
that's in his title defenses, that's the best one. And
then Vitor belfour, fresh off of TRT looking like he
had been a deflated balloon.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
He had absolutely nothing.

Speaker 6 (28:19):
This is better than five consecutive title defenses, which by
the way, no other middleweight even has four. And he's
got besides Silva, and he's got five. People want you
to imagine that you can like magic Eye and then
you can squint and you can see a case for Wimen.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
You cannot. You cannot. There has been pervasive, pervasive.

Speaker 6 (28:40):
Denial about how good is he has been since he
got to the UFC and what he's done since he's
been here. He's the second best middleweight of all time.
It's not up for debate. I am sorry to be
the one to tell you that, but it is in
fact true.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
All Right, all you haters out there, Luke has spoken.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
Take that bitch is I mean, he's in the most
elite clubs that exist for or title dominant.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
Do you think if is he doesn't fight again in
the UFC. I mean, it's always going to be hard
if you still have fights under contract. Look at GSP
couldn't even get out of his deal.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
You know, in the recent years of trying.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
Some type of idea, Do we ever see him again
in combat in any form?

Speaker 6 (29:15):
My hunch is that is he's not going to retire
off of this, sure, but I do think he realizes
now that the end is probably much closer than he expected,
and he's probably trying to manage whatever time he has left.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
I think he'll fight again.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
I hope if they go to a USC Africa card.
At some point he's on that card.

Speaker 6 (29:30):
Yeah, I mean people say UFC Africa, that's a continent.
I mean we're like, no, I'm well aware of that.
Yeah I know, but like, uh, I mean they're all
like radically different parts.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
Like yeah, there's more than one country in Africa. Yeah,
I know.

Speaker 6 (29:41):
But it's like, oh, we're gonna go like we have
a we have a guy from Croatia. Oh, we're gonna
do UFC Europe in Portugal.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
It's like, okay, it's still the unconquered territory.

Speaker 6 (29:51):
Yeah, it would be certainly what listen, it would be
great to have them there. I'm simply saying we have
to be a little more focused on ring Francis back for
too Francis. They're not I mean, dude, they will sooner
hold on an event on Mars before they fucking have
him back. But in any case, I do think he'll
fight again. I just don't know what that's all gonna
look like. And I hope for the best.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
Me too, me too. It was tough to see that,
but big win for Imavov. We'll see where he goes next.
Let's go to topic number two, and it's your UFC
riot undercard, in particular that cole main event, it was
Michael Venampage moving up from welterweight for what he called
the one off, although it seems like that story might
have changed after he scores a fairly wide unanimous decision
over Red Hot Chara Bullet Magametov two thirty to twenty

(30:32):
seven's one judge giving Charbullet the third round. So, Luke
Charle Bullet's performance does it say more about this being
a tough style matchup for him? Are the realities of
his now now disclosed medical conditions more of the reason.
But either way, how much did this victory from MVP deflate,

(30:52):
if not outright pop, the hype of Chari Bullet coming
into this matchup?

Speaker 6 (30:56):
I mean I went into the Petrosian telling everybody on
this show, and you remember me saying this, that I
was not sold on him. Sure, and then against Petrosian
he turns in like one of the most amazing sensational
KOs certainly that division's history. But really in MMA, like
the double spinning backfist, that's crazy, right, that's amazing.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
He's obviously quite good.

Speaker 6 (31:16):
I am as always willing to believe that the illness
he is describing is not manufactured and absolutely played.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
We have the ig post if we can, Okay, Luke uh,
he says, the pirate goes to the harbor.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
Okay, the pirate gimmick army tease. There will be gold
in them Haralds.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
But I'll be back. I knew all the risks coming
out in such a nightmare state of health and with
such preparation. I felt that with all this I could win,
but it didn't work out. That's all thanks to the
organization for such a chance and everyone involved. I wanted
to wrap up the spectacle and justify the expectations without
breaking up the fight. Salute to everyone who is with me.
Blah blahlah blah. So Luke, I mean, here's the deal.

(31:57):
It's always going to be a poor style matchup for
a guy who's a power striker but doesn't have a
ton of craft and technique. He's not a reckless brawler.
But we had questions coming in. What medical condition could
it be talked about? I kind of need to know
more on that. Is it the one? I think?

Speaker 1 (32:13):
Do you remember blong on? Look?

Speaker 6 (32:14):
It sounded to me something like digestive or some kind
of organ related issue.

Speaker 7 (32:19):
I'm not sure.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
I joked to BC earlier, was it the eye.

Speaker 6 (32:22):
I don't actually, because he said he was worried about
throwing up as a consequence, so I had to be
some kind.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
Of I mean, I did see even though one judge
gave him around three and even though round three was
the most, he sort of pressed because this corner, you know,
it just didn't he.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
Didn't have that upper room level of urgency to turn on.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
He didn't.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
This is what.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
He didn't have that higher gear to really Either that
or it was just it's hard to throw when you've
got a guy that's that quick, that unorthodox, that elusive,
who can dive in. I mean, MVP hit him with
some creative strikes that you know, was like, I haven't
seen shit like this.

Speaker 6 (32:53):
I just feel like the story is less about Bullet.
To be honest with you, again, I think he probably
was ill. It probably made a a role. I think
that we'll get to the MVP side because actually think
that's the much more interesting side of this conversation. But
as relates to Charlebull, this is one point I've made
previously with guys, and I'm gonna make it again here.
It's okay to have lopsided skills in the UFC. But

(33:14):
if you're gonna do that, then the part that is
lopsided has to be lights out. Yeah, if you're gonna
have Habib level striking, you better have Habib level wrestling. Conversely,
if you're gonna have you know, Anderson silver level striking, right,
you have to have something going on in the wrestling game,
or excuse me, you don't.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
But like you, obviously you have to be.

Speaker 6 (33:32):
Anderson silver level good on the striking, and he is
good striking, but he's not He I think benefits from
a certain kind of style more than others, and there
is no B game. He has no ability to shoot
for takedowns, get on top, and then find another way
to win. I have to tell you, there's nothing about
what I see in him that Poorten's championship futures.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
I would agree with you, and that's why I think
that that was the leadoff topic because of the hype
that was around him and the idea that he wasn't
close to a finished product. But do you think this
loss separate from whatever realities of health conditions he mentioned?
And I give him respect that that's true. Fighters deal
with a lot of stuff to get themselves into the cage.
Is this more about his inabilities or is this about
Michael venam Page moving up in wait in his late

(34:14):
thirties and putting forth a pretty damn good performance.

Speaker 6 (34:17):
I really think this is the MVP is the story here, MVP.
I've seen it so many times where guys come from
another organization and they are the sum total of whatever
that person's sense of that organization's reputation is.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
Oh, Bellator is the B League.

Speaker 6 (34:32):
This can only be a B League guy, And then
no one is necessarily saying he's going to go win
a title. I think he was ranked fourteenth or fifteenth
that onein seventy. He'll be ranked around that mark here
for this win. But you know, he came into the UFC,
fought Kevin holland looked better than him, fought MV excuse me,
fought Ian.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
Gary turned into a wrestler.

Speaker 6 (34:49):
Now, I thought he beat Ian Garriot's debatable was close,
but I thought he won, and then here he is.
He just had bullet flummixed. The reality is one MVP
was suffering from a sense about Bellatore's upside and what
they could reasonably confer in terms of matriculating talent. People
just assumed because he was belat or he just can't

(35:09):
be that good. And it turns out, at thirty seven,
up at one eighty five, his game is still crafty.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
He is still hard to deal with. He has really.

Speaker 6 (35:18):
Found a way to make that game work, even at
this late stage of his career. And charl Bullet may
have been sick, absolutely, but he also just had no answers,
no inkling of a direction to go other than the
leg kicks. But it didn't really do enough in the end,
and it looked to me like MVP had a lot
figured out, and that was really the difference between that.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
Well, here's the crazy part coming in. MVP had explicitly
said this is a one off. It was a good
opportunity for him. He took it. You know what he's
saying now, Luke, I want to get your take on this.
He's now saying, I think I can go up one
division higher to light heavyweight, and he welcomes a fight
with YERI Prohatska. So before you say, holy shit, that's
a crazy idea. He's in his late thirties, he's a welterweight.

(36:03):
His speed advantages in terms of reaction time, quickness, all
the unorthodoxy stuff he does that only that looks even
more dramatic than the higher he moves up in wait.
Obviously there's the questions about the physicality. Can he take
the punching power? Would you sign up for an MVP
YEARI Prahatska shootout at two o five? I mean, what

(36:23):
is he saying? This is wild?

Speaker 6 (36:24):
Sure, sure he's making the most out of taking on
people that the fans like. Fans like Kevin Holland in
Gary's less a fan favor, but that's an important fight
that needed to be had, and now you're taking on
We took on Shore a bullet to great effect. Urie
also a fan school Jesus from I think of let
Uri also a fan favorite. Damn this fucking thing sor

(36:44):
right all right, here we go. Uri also a fan favorite.
So to me, it's like, dude, he's not gonna win
a title again? He is he gonna beat Anthony Hernandez.
I just I just don't see something like that likely.
But if you can find ways to stay relevant big cards,
big names.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
Remember the Kung Le he went on across Strike Force
in UFC when Kung Lee just made fun fights against
other big names, and it was never really about him
being in title contention too much anywhere. I'd like to
see that from MVP, so I kind of support this
if he feels like he can pull it off. Do
you think he would give Yeri troubles trying to chase
him and trying to catch up with the movement.

Speaker 6 (37:17):
Yuri's a little less hittable than he once was. He's
something he's working on, but he has been hitable. I
think it again. He's durable, though. I think that'd be
a problem for MVP. Obviously he's gonna be much bigger
than him now.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
The Saint Douglas lima across from me. If you take
a Yeri Prahotska shot out two five.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
But that is interesting.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
The other storyline surrounding MVP was no flag on his
graphic on the walk to the cage, yes, which wasn't
about any you know, Ukraine Russia war like we've sometimes
seen the past. Here's MVP talking about that after the fight.
You were the only fighter today on the tack cart
that did not have a little flag next to your
name when you were coming out on the screen.

Speaker 12 (37:49):
Why I feel like everyone everyone's always trying to find
their group and it. What it does for me is
it builds more separation where one race human race, and
I live by that though. I don't care where you
come from, what job you do. You could be a king,

(38:12):
you could be a pauper. I will show you the
same respect. I don't care where it's for.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
Me, just constant labels at touched to people I.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
Just don't like Luke.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
We heard a lot of labels from Connor McGregor and
Bryce Mitchell recently. This is actually kind of refreshing. What
do you think about this?

Speaker 1 (38:28):
I mean, I don't know what to make of anything
in MM anymore, but it was nice to hear that
he didn't think Hitler was a good guy to go
fishing with free Math.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
Okay, there we go with that.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
That's that's the demarcation line pre Math. Look.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
The other big ish at least on paper fight on
this card came in the heavyweight division, as Sergei Pavlovitch
took on dry Air rosen Strike and despite long Island
Luke trying to talk us into plus money on rosen
Strike and talking dumbass.

Speaker 11 (38:57):
Wow, that was that fight sucked?

Speaker 7 (38:59):
Also, I did cash Pavlovich to get a takedown plus
seven hundred.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
Oh shit fight blue hard, hard enough for Tom Aspinall
to hit the I G L I L if we
could see that these heavyweight fights lately absolutely stink. Let's
get some excitement and stop holding it up. Maybe that's
him also saying, Hey, UFC and John Jones, can we
sign this big ass fight?

Speaker 1 (39:19):
Luke?

Speaker 2 (39:20):
What do we say here? Because the argument I had
on why Rosenstrug was not going to win this fight
was that it's a we know it's a steep decline
after the elite heavyweights. So let's let's be honest here.
Who are the elite heavyweights? John Jones, Tom Aspinall.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
Curtis played, Yes, elite adjacent certainly.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
Alexander Volkov Same, am I missing anyone out? Surreal game sorry,
cereal games, cereal gain. Okay, so that's five. Is either
the worst of that or I should say that about Volkoff,
but it's true here either the worst of that or
the best of that. Next level of crap.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
This one was terrible?

Speaker 2 (39:58):
What is this? A Is this about these two fighters
or is this about the division at large?

Speaker 1 (40:03):
At the post? A little of both?

Speaker 6 (40:04):
Dude, This fight sucked so much ass, it's unbelievable. I mean,
Sergai can't okay, Sarahai had trouble finding openings. He had
some who was fading off to that right hand. That
was nice, but Biggie boy was just waiting around because
he couldn't create any opening.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
He was just waiting for Sergey to go. So there
was just a lot of inactivity. It had single digit
strikes landed I think in multiple rounds, and then he
had to go for takedowns or you know, falling on
top of a guy who fell over and he couldn't
pass and couldn't get any ground and pound going on
a guy who was merely holding on to half guard
for dear life. This was fucking miserable, miserable ass fight.

(40:41):
This division is cooked. It's so fucking terrible. I think
Sargai is better than what he showed.

Speaker 6 (40:46):
I do believe that, but it it seemed to me,
in fairness to him, if we can say that, he
was just looking for what you like to call survive
in advance right in the tournament's kind of thing. He
was just looking, I think, to get right and he did.
That's nothing, and it could be very valuable for him
down the road. But this fight was butt cheeks, Wow.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
Big butt cheeks, wow, big old but I got a
shout out although it was they continue to put her
as deep on the undercard as they possibly can. Jasmine
Jazzdavisius at one twenty five takes on former title challenger
at bantamway, Mayra Bueno Silva, who moved back down to
one twenty five. And even though it's a third straight
defeat for Silva, and it's certainly a damning turn of
events for somebody that we thought, or at least I thought,

(41:29):
was gonna easily beat Rocky Pennington for that title. Look,
this is four straight wins for Jasmine at one twenty five.
She has turned it around. She's added the striking to
her takedown game, like she seems to be putting together.
How impressed are you?

Speaker 1 (41:43):
Pretty impressed? I mean there's a competition. I think you
know women's MMA right now is really not super.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
But this division is the best by far women's.

Speaker 6 (41:55):
Yes, and I think Jazz Divisius is really she seems
to be headed towards a peak or speaking, she really
has turned a corner and stays ready, stays active, gets
after it she's not without faults, but she's with lots
of pluses.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
Well, she's thirty five, so it's good time to get it,
get to it right now.

Speaker 6 (42:09):
I think the women tend to age a little bit later,
so I don't think that's as much of a like
male heavyweights kinda kinda.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
So this is the time for her to really get
stuff on the gas, and she is. And so I
think for those reasons, it's it's it's good to see
what she's.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
Doing that moved me, anything else move you? On this
undercard Long Island, Luke was talking about sayied nor Magametov
spinny ship that he was spamming.

Speaker 6 (42:29):
That fight was also not great from what I could
see of it. For as Zion beating Mike Davis.

Speaker 7 (42:34):
Mike David wait wait wait wait, that was fight of
the night, sayed nor Magametto of Venetia Solavera.

Speaker 6 (42:37):
I missed around, I missed the last round, but it
was fire the night because they just awore donkery.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
They were just donks donkin Well.

Speaker 7 (42:44):
I do think frost Zim Mike Davis should have been
fight of the night. Yet both of those fights were great.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
OLIVERA.

Speaker 6 (42:49):
Nema metof your mile to be very The ze im
Davis hight was interesting. The only thing that was weird
was Davis ten seconds into the fight, just like pulls guard.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
And I'm like, what do I think he was hurt?
There was something weird about that.

Speaker 6 (43:00):
I thought so too, like it just didn't make sense. However,
I will say this people like, oh, well, you're.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
Saying XIOM didn't look good. No, no, no, no, no. XOM looked
really good.

Speaker 6 (43:08):
Some of his striking very accurate, great timing, great shot selection.
I think XM is awesome. It was just strange from
Mike Davis on the prelim card BC. You know GAYSI able, Oh,
Terrence Kenny, Terrence McKinny looked pretty good.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
He was the fourth straight fight McKinney either finished someone
in the first round or was finished in the first.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
Yeah he second round. No, no, not doing it first
round winner lose. I kind of like that approach.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
But that was a pretty damn NUBS card for the
most part. It'll only get worse at three twelve this Saturday.
Outside of the top two fights.

Speaker 6 (43:39):
I keep saying this, I don't think three twelve is
in any way worse. I just don't agree with that long.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
Look, can you put this man?

Speaker 7 (43:45):
You need to really dissect both of these. I mean,
come on, Sody is so much better on paper. I'm
not saying three twelve is gonna be bad. The two
title fights are fantastic, there's no denying that.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
You justin Toper versus Talis and to Shera is not
my favorite.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
Take the twurf top.

Speaker 6 (43:59):
Jimmy Crut versus is Belatoe is gonna be madness for
as long as that last. Jake Matthews Pratto is interesting,
It's not interesting. Jake Jack Jenkins on the premium card
is interesting. Wang Kong or Wang Tong on the premium card.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
Yeah, she's got to bounce back.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (44:11):
Alexander Tuporia on the premium card is interesting. Also, you
add in a few more of these guys.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
I think it's two fights into.

Speaker 6 (44:17):
Carey Steal on the early prelims, a huge BJJ Phenom
finally getting some run in the UFC. That is a
big ass fight. No, you're just wrong. Saudi was not
a better card.

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You put a poll in the in the WIA please
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Gonna do is they're gonna vote on vibes. They don't
feel like it's listen.

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Speaker 1 (44:39):
So true, it's so true.

Speaker 6 (44:40):
But the point I want to make is people are
going to say, relative to what they expect from pay
per view, this is a letdown, which they're right it is.
But all I'm saying is card for cards Saudi versus
this one. No, the Saudi card is not better. Sorry,
you're wrong.

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BKFC, by the way, had a card in Connecticut over
the weekend. Not only the Brennan Ward former Belatur star
win his debut Arterboro, Connecticut. How New London, Connecticut, New London.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
I'm sorry, you're right.

Speaker 2 (45:02):
How about Connecticut's own Parker Porter winning in the UKFC debut? Yeah?

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Speaker 2 (47:59):
All Right, it's time to get over to topic number
three on today's show. I was there, I was on
the call this weekend. It went down Saturday, Tmobile Arena
in Las Vegas, PBC on Prime pay per View and
an undefeated light heavyweight summit to produce in theory the
next challenger for the undisputed Championship that will be rematched
February twenty second, when better In Bevall face off. But

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this was about the two Davids Benavidez in Morel and Luke.
After a red hot build to this fight, so much
bad blood between them, so much good stuff going on,
they put on a mini classic a Some people are
talking about multiple Fight of the Year contenders coming off
this card on Saturday. But after what we saw from
Benavidez scoring a unanimous decision over twelve rounds, what did

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that performance in your eyes say about what could happen
next and his chances of winning the undisputed title against
the winner of better bv.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
Bevall two.

Speaker 6 (48:57):
In some ways, the performance made me more confident in
his chances. In other ways, it made me less confident.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
Healthy hands though, unlike the Vosdik debut at light heavyweight,
you saw you see what you get now from him?

Speaker 1 (49:08):
Yes, you got just relentless punishment. Body.

Speaker 6 (49:13):
Let's talk about the good part first, because I want
to tell you about one thing that really kind of
stood out to me. But let's talk about the good
first from David Benavitez. First of all, I think he
landed forty seven point nine percent of his power shots
according to compy ridiculous, which is in.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
A close fight, in a close back and forth fight
between elite guys.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
That's ridiculous.

Speaker 6 (49:28):
And we'll talk about morell in a minute, because I
also think he showed fantastic heart. But let's talk about
the good part of Benavidez. The body work was absolutely tremendous.
He found so many openings for it.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
BC. How about the guard peels and then coming around
the corner.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
Dude, the variety every fight, Benavitez is adding more offensively
to the creativity. You're seeing little side arm shots to
get around the guard. You mentioned, pulling the glove down
and whacking him, the uppercuts, the combinations, and he does
that standing right in front of him. You squared it up.
I mean, it's ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
He has so many ways of getting you to defend
and then builds offense around that that you just can't.
You're just gonna get rained on.

Speaker 6 (50:02):
It doesn't matter where you put the umbrella, it just
finds ways to get inside. And that's really what he
was so effective at. The jab wasn't his most potent weapon,
but it was very, very important again to get the
gloves up and then he could work around the sides
and do the peels and everything else. So the body
work the creativity, the overall work rate. It's just hard
to keep up with Benavidez because he's just NonStop.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
He's always in your face. And I want to say
this too, BC, I don't want to overstate the case
of Benavitez's defense.

Speaker 6 (50:31):
In fact, there was a couple of times he got
hit with some big shots and got his legs wobbled
just for a moment.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
Round four, that right hand off the ropes and.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
Then an eleven.

Speaker 6 (50:38):
Obviously he had his touch the gloves, which is partly
a trip, but he got hit with some big shots.
I mean, there's no denying it. I'm not making the
claim that he's some kind of defensive slick stirt.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
Far from it. However, for a guy who is always throwing.

Speaker 6 (50:51):
And squared up in front of you, his defense given
those contexts is actually pretty good.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
Dude.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
Can I tell you something. Setting into the fight, according
to Compybox, he had the third best plus minus in all.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
Of Box's remarkable.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
We're talking about Shakur Stephenson level that's normally boxing technicians.
This is a monster. This is a stalking bully who
fights mean at every turn, which means he's always looking
to add that extra power shot in and yet it's
hard to hit this guy in take.

Speaker 1 (51:17):
And overtake him.

Speaker 6 (51:18):
And I think to the extent he got hit at
all in this fight with some of those big shots,
it's only because Morel showed incredible gumption, which a lot
of opponents I don't think necessarily what have especially late
in that fight.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
But you know his ability to step out.

Speaker 6 (51:29):
At angles now close range on his terms, he's just
doing a bunch of stuff that and also be seen,
let's just be honest.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
Part of his defense is his offense.

Speaker 6 (51:39):
No, no, he's just throwing, throwing, throwing, throwing, so the
guys just can't get going. But he compliments that now
with better defense along the way. And I have to
say through all of that, I'm like, dude, if he
can just have a high work rate, he can beat
anybody in that division.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
That's just the reality.

Speaker 6 (51:59):
And if you want to try and discipline him like
Morell did, it wasn't enough.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
It's got a great chin too, He has a phenomenal chin.

Speaker 6 (52:06):
And by the way, his cardiovascular conditioning I'm not gonna
call it morob level, but well.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
We used to used to be a potential problem. Remember
when he was stripped of the title for the failed
drug test. Than missing weight, the narrative was this guy
is doesn't have the discipline to be to be an
elite fighter. He turned that around on the Caleb Plant win.
He's only gotten better in those areas because I rewatched
this fight, and it's like every time Morel had success,
benavide Is dug into a deeper gear and came back
even more and more aggressive, more volume, constantly putting on him.

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He's a tsunami. I don't think we've seen someone his size.
Even if his power hasn't fully carried up to seventy
five on like a one punch level, right, it's still
more about I want to talk accumulation, beating you down.
He is all over you. It is hard for anybody
to I'm actually surprised, ultimately, and it's a credit to
Morel that he went the distance, because the version of

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Benavidez that he fought on Saturday was the prime best
we've ever seen of him. So for Morel to go
the distance there and even a couple moments late, it speaks,
as we said, to how great he may be one day,
because remember how young, and he's only had twelve pro fights.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
Now, let me let me add to that if I
may b see. Don't you find it really interesting that
both in MMA and boxing now you're seeing guys emerge
who don't necessarily have at this weight class. We're talking
about Benavidez, not sixty eight and below. They don't have
lights out power, they don't have lights out finishing ability,
but they have this insane capacity for work. Yes, and
people just can't deal with it. You have to hurt

(53:29):
them to change them in MMA, and it works in boxing. Again,
there's differences between them, obviously, but I find that very notework.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
He's the least likely guy a couple of years ago
that we would think could weaponize cardio the way he does. Obviously,
he's weaponizing it through the vehicle of a mean, hard hitting, creative,
offensive force. But you're right there, to some degree, he's
weaponizing this cardio because it's not just can your backbone
hold up? Like Demetrius Andred look good for a couple
of rounds.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
And then just faded.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
And you know, all we always talk about is, oh,
benavide is like the great slow starter. You know, takes
time to adjust, but once you makes that adjustment, it's downhill.
He was almost downhill in round one, and I asked
him about after the fight, and his response was he
it was easier to hit Morel than he thought it
would be. And I think some of that is due
to the decision Morell made to actually kind of back
up his words and trade a Monoi model. Morell didn't

(54:16):
make this a boring fight by trying to circle away
and use his legs. He stoodn't fought, but the fact
that Benavidez started high paced from round one. Dude, when
he's dialed in like this, you know I had questions
coming into could he beat Bevall or better bef based
on what we saw against Vosdik. Dude, when he's healthy,
he can beat anybody, can be anybody.

Speaker 6 (54:35):
To tell you what concerns I have. You called him
hard hitting, I am not convinced of that at one
seventy five. I have real questions about his power from.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
A one punch standpoint.

Speaker 6 (54:44):
Yes, I'll give you he overwhelms you, clearly, I'm not suggesting.
I mean, look, he just beat a really quality opponent
in a really quality way. But now we're talking about
better be even Bevell, very different ballgame. If you can't
hurt those guys. That's a tough fight to win, just
a matter of fact. And a guy like better Bev
is interesting because he's going to meet him head on.

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And a guy like Bival is also interesting because his
ring craft is the best in the entire day. Yes,
so the two next fights for him are very, very different,
but also much more interesting than even this one was already.
But I just have to say one, the power problem,
I think is going to be a real limiting factor
at the very very top end of this division for him. Second,

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right now, he is I mean flying high with good reason.
He looks so fucking good. But this style is going
to age poorly. Now that's not really relevant for the
next fight or the one after that, or really even
for the foreseeable future, but it will age out quickly.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
It will age out quickly.

Speaker 6 (55:42):
If your whole premise is I'm going to outwork you,
but not with dominating power. When you begin to decline
in age, that's going to catch up.

Speaker 1 (55:51):
Ask racidly.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
It wasn't a topic this week, but when we remember
we went out last year to those PBC events, we
talked to Jim Lampley a couple of times we interviewed him.
One of those interviews. I remember him telling me, maybe
it was the time that we were at that tank
in Benavide's co feature, that he had talked to Benavidez
and he thinks down the line that Benavidez could move
up to heavyweight and has the size to do it.

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To do that, to go up to cruiser and then
heavy it's going to have to be more about boxing,
and he's probably gonna be able to. I mean, his speed.
I thought Morel was going to have a distinct speed
advantage over him, and Benavidez's hand speed was right there
with him, right. I wonder if he's going, the higher
he goes, if he's going to still be that bully
or if it will be more of a mix of boxing.

Speaker 1 (56:32):
I don't know. I don't know how to answer that.

Speaker 6 (56:34):
I don't know what to say, but I just feel
like there is so much enthusiasm about what he turned
in on Saturday, and with very good reason. But we
should not we should not be blind to how the
next set of matchups are both more difficult and directly
challenged the way in which he wins fights by some
of the most skilled power punchers and or technicians anywhere

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in boxing, different ballgame.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
There were a few rounds. I mean, this, this will
will It feels like this is a Fight of the
Year contender. I don't know if it ends up being
in the top three or four. There were a couple sequences.
Round four obviously was the big one where I mean,
especially those first four rounds were so tense, so so
much back, those back and forth exchanges. The atmosphere in
t Mobile on higher during the main event particularly. We

(57:20):
talked about it during well, during the Pitple Cruise fight.
It was on fire nuts people. Cruzier fight was like,
we're going to get to that.

Speaker 1 (57:27):
Yeah, it was, it was. It was fishing with Hitler premats,
I mean it was, it was great. It was unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
Can we stop referencing that place?

Speaker 1 (57:33):
Cud Okay.

Speaker 6 (57:34):
The point I want to make was, did you heard
it a little bit on the broadcast? Did Morell have
a noticeable contingent of fans in attendance. There was a
brief moment early in the fight where you heard kubo yes.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
And then the crowd, the majority of the crowd started
to boo in response yes yes, which was which was
kind of funny. I mean, dude, like they didn't sell up,
but they had over twelve thousand in there, and those
were those were Benefita's fans, and they were piple fan.

Speaker 1 (57:59):
Let's be honest.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
Piplell bring a big crowd wherever he goes he does,
but yeah, they were, they were pro Mexican fans. And
I mean, look, Benevitez say it like this. I already
had him number ten pound for pound. This is the fight, though,
I think everybody's gonna put him in pound for pound.
Look at the run he's on. Look at the difficulty
of the opponents. Look at the style difference, going from
power puncchal Lemieux to Caleb plant as a boxer, to

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the creative in size in South Paul of Andred, who's
tough to beat and was unbeaten, coming in to Vosdick
with the Ukrainian background, the former champion at won seventy five.
Now to David Morel, who we didn't know how great
he was, right he only had eleven pro fights. We
can only know at a certain level of competition. But
Morell fought his ass off and rightfully lost. Dude, the
run he's on, he's pound for pound. No, he's pound

(58:43):
for pounds.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
He's an attraction, dude.

Speaker 6 (58:46):
The ability of David Benavitez is so remarkable that you
mentioned like, oh, he's beating all these different body types,
sizes and now weight classes too. His style is a
very unique one. It reminds me again for MMA fans,
it's a little habibi like where it's like, oh, Beep
has to go against this guy and this guy and
this guy, but it ends up just being a case
where they just pave over every hit.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
It doesn't really matter. They're just gonna lay the cement
down and.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
Try to run on him. He'll cut off the rings
and you know, it.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
Just has a It just smothers everything in the end.
And that's why again, that's why the better even Bill
vol fights are going to be so interesting.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
We had Benevidez after the fight at the Pressure. We
have sound of him talking about the power of Morel.
He gave Morell a lot of respect after which which
I like to see after the week they had.

Speaker 1 (59:28):
Here's Benavidez.

Speaker 3 (59:29):
How you doing, David. This is Najic from Cigar Talk.
Congratulations on your victory tonight. You've bought a bunch of
elite opponents, you know, throughout your career, between you know,
kayleb Plan and Andred and of course now Morel. Can
you talk about where he ranks just as far as difficulty,
you know, between your past opponents, he is.

Speaker 1 (59:47):
Harder than everybody I face. He's obviously because one seventy five.
He's a good fighter.

Speaker 10 (59:53):
But I think just my experience a loan, I've seen
so much different styles.

Speaker 8 (59:57):
You know, I've seen Caleb Plants. It means you Andre Bo,
Anthony Drell, Cools. So I mean, I kind of like
I'm just getting better and better.

Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
But his do is good.

Speaker 8 (01:00:10):
He fucking brought it until the twelfth round, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
So he's a good fighter. He's a good fighter. But
you know what I mean, I think, like I said,
I just showed.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
So Luke. We said, experience was the major difference between
them coming in and I think you saw that, like
I think you saw that in there. There were moments
that Morell, especially around eleven with that late with that
hit after the bell, and he was kind of mentally
rattled from that. Morell did rally and stay in the
fight during the periods that you thought maybe he was
gonna get overwhelmed. I was, though largely, largely impressed by

(01:00:39):
what Morell did here, even in defeat, to the point
that I got to say something hot, I think he's
problems for Canelo morrel.

Speaker 6 (01:00:47):
Okay, let me back up with stuff, because I think
that's an interesting thing to say. Aside from resiliency, which
he had inarguably, what else did you like for the performance?

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
Because he didn't do what we thought he might, which
was use his foot speed in some of that elusiveness
to avoid Benevidez. He came right at Benavidez, kind of
backed up the words that he said, and he actually
in the first half of the fight was able to
hurt Benavidez stand close enough. I mean they're operating. That's
such close difference for two of the guys. It was
a beautiful fight to watch from ringside, the creativity and

(01:01:18):
explosiveness of his shots, the head movement, the baiting Benevidez
in and encountering him with big shots. Look, he's an
offensive machine in there. He's a very good fighter. I
think you know, Canelo has always had issues with people
with handspeed and foot speed. I think you add in
that power and I think he's bringing that explosiveness with
him to seventy five.

Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
I was impressed, were you not?

Speaker 6 (01:01:40):
So I'll say this, I was absolutely impressed by him.
But I'm going to say the following, and I really
would know. I really I'm curious what you have to
say about it, which is, if you had never seen
David Morrell before, you didn't really get.

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
The David Morrell experience.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
Now, no, I think he fought Benavidez's fight to a
fault to somebody.

Speaker 6 (01:01:56):
So we're not going to say is on one level
that's actually a good thing because he never had to
show this kind of heart before.

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
I didn't know if he had it. Yes, he's got it.
He's got a chint too, he's got a chin. So
those are great things that we learned. But we had
described him, and I do think if you look at
the body of work, this is fair. We had described
him as a slick boxer puncher. Didn't get a lot
of that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
He didn't commit to that style, and that's the thing.

Speaker 6 (01:02:16):
You can argue that was a big problem. And I
think you're asking like That's why I was asking, like,
what'd you like about it? Because if I wanted to
show someone David Morell that that's not the fight I.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
Would show them.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
So let's say, and they're not going to do it,
but let's say they had an immediate rematch. I think
Morell would box so much more. I think he tried
to back up everything he said. I think he tried
to back up everything he said, and he tried to
beat Morel Mono, I mono, I'm sorry, but tried to
beat benevite'z heads a head and and not just in
like a brawl, but like an explosive close range let's
tit for tat. I think you would see him box more.

(01:02:46):
I think you would see a better version of him
if he mixed a little bit of that in. Now.
He went with what he played his cards, and he
played far. So there's an argument it's weird. I thought
it was. Scoring wise, I had an eight four. One
of those judges had eleven to one. But you know,
Dan Rayfield, guy who I respect a lot, had it wide.
He said, look, it was a competitive, fun close fight,
but scoring wise, he had it very wide. Did you

(01:03:09):
agree with that?

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
I did not have the scoring wide. No.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
Because there's arguments that people are trying to make online
that Morrell rallied enough in the second half that it
actually should have been a closer decision. I do kind
of disagree. I thought eighty four. I thought eight four
was solid.

Speaker 6 (01:03:23):
I could go eight four to seven five. I don't
know if that's considered wide or not seven fives.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
I don't know if as close as you can get.
So I don't know if eight.

Speaker 6 (01:03:29):
Four is considered wide. You know, two to one, I don't.
I don't know how that goes. But I to me,
it was not really a mystery who won at the end,
And I think trying to find rounds for Morel is cope.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
It's cope.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
I'm with you on that. So here's the interesting thing.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
But you gotta tell me, okay, yes, Morel Canelo. I
don't think Canlo's gonna go anywhere new.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
I mean, it's interesting it's Canelo wasn't there his trainer,
though Eddie Renoso was in the crowd. And although Eddie
just signed a big to train a big prospect. I
think it's from Mexico, who's going to debut on the
PBC Tank pay per view coming up. That's like a big,
a big get for Eddie. So I don't know if
I had more to do with that, or maybe he's scouting.
But it's interesting we didn't talk a lot about Canelo
coming in. I didn't even ask Benefitez about Caneal afterst

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because this isn't about Knelo. Canelo's at sixty eight. He
doesn't want to fight these guys. I think Morel would
be an issue for him to really do. I thought,
even though we critiquing some of the parts of Morel's game,
I thought the poise he showed in a tough fight
at the highest level not giving up was key. The backbone,
the all that he can move dynamically, he's with the
foot and hand speed, and you add in that he's
a big dude with power and explosiveness. This version of Canal,

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I don't think he wants to fight guys like this.
I don't think he wants this type of smunk.

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:04:38):
I mean, I do think it would be competitive between
Morel and Canelo. But I think that people who watch
this fight, that's what I mean, they don't didn't quite
get a sense of how slick and deft and clever
he can be as a puncher. And I think against
a more stationary Canelo who's he'll walk you down, but
he's a lot more trunk movement based. I'm morel feast.

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All right, that's a strong word.

Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
But I don't know, no, no, I mean, Benevitez said
he would not go down to sixty eight ever. Again,
he said this before the fight. He said, even if
Cannelo asked him. By the way benefite Is revealed, I
don't know if I don't know if you saw this
podcast that I think was last year, he revealed that
Al Hayman presented Canelo with a guaranteed sixty million dollar
offer to fight Benavidez, a sixty eight plus getting huge

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pay per view upside, and Benavitez was only going to
get five million and he was going to only take
home like three and a half of that after paying
everybody pre tax. And Benavidez still said yes, and Canelo
said no. So that's very interesting. But Beneviez is like,
I'm not going down to sixty eight even if Canelo
wants to do anymore. If they fought at one seventy
five tomorrow, Canelo Benavidez.

Speaker 1 (01:05:40):
What does it look like?

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
What happens? Because Canelo did not look bad against bev
at seventy five, but he got overwhelmed by a.

Speaker 1 (01:05:48):
I don't think.

Speaker 6 (01:05:48):
I don't think Benavidez stops him. I think Canelo's chin
is legendary. He is crafty. He would find ways to survive.

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
But would he can't get him off of him.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
He couldn't get Benavidez off of him. People thinking like
Canelo's power would discipline him, and I am very, very
suspect about that. I think I think you look at
a fight like Saturday, Benavidez doesn't stop him, Canel is
going to be really hard to stop. He's gonna beat
him up. I think he's gonna beat him up like
bival You know BiVO did it in a different way. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:06:14):
I remember there's times where Bivoll was like landing and then
kept landing and.

Speaker 1 (01:06:17):
They're like, okay, we'll stop now, and then he kept landing.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
Canell will tried that rope it up against Bevon. He's
just got little.

Speaker 1 (01:06:22):
I think I think Benavidez would have him up on
the ropes. I think you fuck him up.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
Interesting stuff. So here's what's also interesting. So this makes
now Benavidez the mandatory, like we said to face the
winner of better ba Bevall two. But Luke, you could
argue that with everything going on Saudy wise and boxing,
which is a lot, it's almost they're almost taking overall
of boxing, and to a certain degree that we talk
a lot about, Well, what about the North American market,
what about the US? What about Las Vegas? I mean,

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Benevide's planting his flag back in Las Vegas this weekend
and getting twelve granded T mobile is not a small thing.
I felt like this was a big win for like
American boxing to some degree. And then Benavita says this
afterwards about the idea of fighting in Saudi compared to Vegas.

Speaker 10 (01:07:02):
You know, to be honest with you, that's the one
thing they talk about, like Turkey Ala sheet and they
tell you what you ever fight with with him with
them over there in Rio. But at the end of
the day, on my fan base is here in Las Vegas.
I'm a Las Vegas fighter, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:07:16):
What I mean.

Speaker 10 (01:07:17):
I would love to go over there and fight, but
this is my market right here, and I feel like
we're doing really well.

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
We just sold out Timo Marina.

Speaker 11 (01:07:23):
You know, I mean, listen to one of my dream
come true to you.

Speaker 10 (01:07:26):
Know what I mean, and I just want to I
want to take advantage of this market because I've been
I've worked eleven years to this is my first time
having a freaking crowd like that, so I just I
want to stay here.

Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
Also would say that American Boxing os David Benavidez such
a fucking set of gratitude.

Speaker 6 (01:07:46):
Yes, do you know who's saying this? Over the weekend
he said something something different. Who's the guy that got
sideways with Turkey for a bit?

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
The reporter? Uh, Jake Donovan. Jake Donovan. I mean, I
know they patched it, but that and Jake was like, dude,
American boxing needed tonight back.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
Yes, it did, it did, and it was great to
see separate from my involvement on there, and you know,
it was great to see PBC come back and have
a great night like that. But those are interesting comments.
Does that in your eyes? Because Benavidez and other interviews
this week said, look, I made a lot of money
the last nine years. But he's also trying to say
it's not just about the money, like he was willing
to take small money against Canelo, very small just to

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get that on his resume because he wants to be great.
Did his voice at all tell you that he may
turn down an opportunity to go to Saudium face the winner.

Speaker 1 (01:08:29):
I believe that if the money is enough and the
opponent is right, that any boxer would sell their services
to the Southeast. I think it's important to really.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
Understand, and he has said in the past that he'd
be willing to work with yes with it.

Speaker 6 (01:08:40):
It didn't sound to me like he was precluding the opportunity.
He was just saying it wasn't super interesting to him
at the present moment. But you know, let's be clear,
it could obviously happen at some point. But what I
will say is I think that the guys I think
maybe I'm making an over generalization here, but the Mexican
fighters in this country who either from here or second

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generation or Canelo comes here, whatever, who take their Mexican
boxing fans seriously. Yeah, they they have a bond with
them that makes them internally say I have to be here,
present in front of them.

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
And they travel from Mexico to Vegas.

Speaker 6 (01:09:19):
Travel it's not enough to be like, Okay, I could
make you know, I'll make something up fifty one hundred
million dollars fighting in Riod.

Speaker 1 (01:09:25):
It didn't sound to me like they've been a Vetez
was poop pulling the notion of that.

Speaker 6 (01:09:29):
Yeah, but it did sound to me like he took
the idea that he has a responsibility to American boxing,
to his Mexican or Latino fans, fans more generally based here,
and that can that relationship can only be fulfilled from
his end by competing here. A lot of guys are
just like, fuck it, I'll just compete wherever. And I
understand that too. Boxing short get money while you can,

(01:09:51):
I get it. But when you've got when you've got
time on your side, when you've got the sport on
your side, when you've got the fans on your side,
it is a different calculation. And honestly, he's not the
only one making it in a way does it in
Japan all the fucking time. Yeah, But of course he'll
compete here this year as well, so we could see

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Benavidez on the road. But I really can't say it enough.
Guys like him, Guys like Tank Davis, also Canelo Alvarez
an American guy, but obviously competing here, they're doing a
lot for the market in ways that nobody else is
we have to be grateful for that if you're an American.

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
And all, by the way, it wasn't picked up a lot.
But Benavidez did say last week that he's also not
against the idea of moving up to cruiserweight and challenging
Zerto Ramerez, a Mexican national, for a title there.

Speaker 1 (01:10:38):
It's interesting, which is a power issue I think is
going to be real.

Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
Well, Zerto's a blown up, you know, sixty eight to
seventy five. It's just that Zerto looks the best at cruiserweight,
a venue division, maybe because he brings that speed with him.
But so with Benavitez, that's an interesting thought. Obviously as
a fan, you want him now to face the winner
of better people.

Speaker 1 (01:10:53):
You want it, you know, I no other fun.

Speaker 6 (01:10:55):
I mean, Canelo is in the rear view for me
of the Benavidez experience, and honestly, just say it out loud.
A Benavidez versus Canelo fight is bigger and might be
fun in different ways, but a better fight is Benavidez
vil or Benevitez better be.

Speaker 2 (01:11:13):
Of I would agree with that, especially when you consider
Benevidez claims he he has dropped in her vall insparring.

Speaker 1 (01:11:19):
That's those are the fights to make.

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
Those are the one final thing. Did you did you
see the pre fight press conference when Morell's advisor h
Louis to keep a senior, which is interesting because Louis
Junior is an advisor for Ben Louis. Both they they
had like crazy words at the press conference before the fight,
which was surprising where where where Senior was like you're

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gonna get knocked out, blah blah blah, and he was
very animated ringside he sat behind us the announcing, but
they had more at the postfight. Preser watched this. It
was wild.

Speaker 1 (01:11:55):
I wish I could.

Speaker 11 (01:12:10):
I wish both of you.

Speaker 1 (01:12:16):
I'm gonna.

Speaker 2 (01:12:29):
So what was interest? They ejected him from that press conference.
And what was interesting is right before that, Benevitez and
Morel like we're friendly. They took pictures together. Benevie Is
actually gave the title belt back to Morrell because you know,
you take his belt, but then you give it back
and you get mailed a new one. And they were
real nice. But then Senior really took umbrage about the
comments about him taking money out of Morel's check and
Benfiel is like, I'll slap you right now, but the

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old man said bring it. That was that was kind
of wild. You don't see that's often boxing, bro boxing
boxing is wild.

Speaker 1 (01:12:57):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
Let's go to topic number four, which was hey loaded
undercard and one that ultimately delivered in that Cole main event.
Even though it was a rematch of the twenty twenty
one fight of the Year, and even though it didn't
necessarily live up to the action expectations, which is probably
why the crowd booed at times in the second half,
it lived up to the storyline expectations because boxing had
effectively counted out former Unified one hundred and twenty two

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champion and Palm for pound top tenor Stephen Fulton Junior,
and when he entered this rematch with Figaroa, I mean
I saw everyone picking Figaroa by late stoppage. In the end, Luke,
it goes down as a redemptive unanimous decision win as
Fulton turned Figaroa, who had twenty six had looked like
more of a refined puncher than spamming offensive force. He
turned him back into that version. He also did crazy

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style things that will get to a second but Luke,
considering how badly that boxing, Twitter basically said Fulton's washed
at thirty one, and reportedly even members of Fulton's inner
circle pulled out after the Annua loss. How big of
a statement did he make in his first fight with
new trainer Bozyannas to go in there and disarm Figure

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oa of the way.

Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
That he did blown away?

Speaker 6 (01:14:07):
I thought after the Castro fight, which was the one
he took after the inn Way fight where he looked
like he got dropped.

Speaker 1 (01:14:12):
He got dropped.

Speaker 6 (01:14:13):
It was on a prelim card, you thought, okay, in
a way destroyed this guy.

Speaker 2 (01:14:17):
And Figure had knocked Castro out in his feather way.

Speaker 6 (01:14:19):
David right, I mean you just thought, wow, this is
this is terrible. This has really gone off the rails.
And then he shows up ahead of time wearing jeans
and modified tims, and I'm like, by the way, an
epic look, if ever there was one.

Speaker 2 (01:14:31):
We'll get to. Yeah, okay, so here it is right here,
by the way.

Speaker 1 (01:14:35):
People think those are real tims. I actually zoomed in
on it their designer boxing.

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
Yeah, Joran Plant reported on it during the show, But dude,
he had so he's now going full time with the
name Scooter. He showed up on a scooter at the
wig Ins, but he was speaking monotone all week. We
didn't expect any of.

Speaker 6 (01:14:49):
This, and then he came out with the mouthpiece that said,
fuck you want it?

Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
Can we see that?

Speaker 4 (01:14:53):
Long?

Speaker 1 (01:14:53):
Aw? I go look at this?

Speaker 6 (01:14:53):
Yeah, look at that? Bro he I gotta say. The
reason why I found this so interesting was because it
looked to me like he knew that the world had
counted him out, and he refused to give in to
the narrative. And honestly, people were disappointed in this fight relative.

Speaker 1 (01:15:10):
To the first one. The first one was a Fighter
of the Year contender and winter in certain ways.

Speaker 2 (01:15:13):
The second one was still exciting and the crowd was
booing this, but the high.

Speaker 6 (01:15:18):
It was high paced it and it looked like the
first one by the time it got to the end,
with Figaroa just kind of smothering everything. But the reason
why this fight was not as good as the first
one is because Fulton made changes to the way he fought.
Put Figaroa at distance certainly through the first four rounds
and then pretty continuously in spots through the rest of

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the fight, clinched when he needed to fought well on
the inside when he needed to. Figaroa seemed to at
the end of the fight go show us the thing
with his mouthpiece again. Look at this photo. This is
close to the end of the fight. There's mary A
mark on his face and Figuaroa.

Speaker 2 (01:15:53):
Was all He turned Figurea into a spammer. He wasn't
sitting down on his punches because he couldn't.

Speaker 1 (01:15:57):
Land any He couldn't land anything, dude. This was great
by Fulton.

Speaker 6 (01:16:02):
This is why I don't think people were picking Fulton
to beat in a way. But he was in pound
for pound discussions heading into the Naa fight and that
all collapsed. I'm not saying this brings him back BC,
but it does bring him back from the place that
he was, which was being considered a bust and a washout.
He is now a champion up a weight class. Holy
fucking shit. This was big for the kiss.

Speaker 2 (01:16:23):
From Villas see and I thought he was gonna dunk
on people more. But he's very humble afterwards, and you
see the hard work he put in. The Bozy factor.
He didn't replace his trainer. He still has his dad
in there in the original team, but they added Bozie
and you saw the difference, Luke, there was much more
class countering so stiffly against Figureo, which was a big
part of the success Fulton had early in rounds the
first time. But you know what may have been the

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underreported the difference, Luke Fulton told the sister in the
fighter meetings, he said his weight cut to one twenty
two was so hard in the first figureo A fight
that he didn't have the energy to fight for all
three minutes of each round that he had to quote
gut gangs. I think he said ghetto it out or
gangster it out in terms of just biting down and
that also I think that fight was an action fight
and tricked us. Maybe that's true, although it was also

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obviously a hard cut to twenty two for Figaroa, but
fully fully formed at twenty six. He not only had
the better gas ticket, seemed he was physically moving Figaroa
around in the clinch too. He was not allowing himself
to get.

Speaker 1 (01:17:16):
Over them off constantly.

Speaker 6 (01:17:17):
Now again that kind of faded the longer the fight wind,
but he did it long enough, often enough and successfully enough.
Where Figaroa was Figaroa had no real meaningful adjustments at all,
it was only Fulton who had the adjustments, and he
was the clear winner in my mind when he was
wearing georts.

Speaker 1 (01:17:35):
Wearing fucking George that's insane. Actually, don't I don't even
think they were georts. I think they even looked like Geords.
What do they look like up clothes?

Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
They looked I mean, he's.

Speaker 6 (01:17:44):
Got they're torn at the bottom, but at the top
it's like a it's like an elastic waistband.

Speaker 2 (01:17:48):
Yeah, so ultimately they are boxing shorts. They're customized, obviously,
but they look very downim georts.

Speaker 1 (01:17:54):
In person.

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
It looks like when I was a kid, it was
a total eighties thing. My dad would always get thrown
out of water parks or told he had to because
he never owned a pair of swim trunks. He would
just take jeans and cut him off at the at
the thigh right and they'd be like the pocket hanging out,
but they got like those buckles on it that scrape
against the water slides, you know what I mean. He
kind of looked like my dad in nineteen eighth year.
All he needed was like a cigarettes rolled up in

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his T shirt right there.

Speaker 6 (01:18:16):
I mean, I know that tims are very popular in Philly,
but I've kind of always associated TIMS with like New
York City.

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
That's fair enough, just be an East Coast thing.

Speaker 1 (01:18:26):
TIMS are not that big in DC. They're big, but
they're not that big.

Speaker 2 (01:18:29):
Well, maybe part of why the crowd was booing because
how could they top what we saw in the second
fight of the four fight pay per view card, and
that was Pitbull Cruise looking to bounce back from that
loss in the one forty title bout. Dose Valezuela coming
back in the same division. And I told you guys
that this guy was a live dog on Hell. Fiero
of Tijuana, Mexico, who I had seen on Ring City

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a few years back, coming on six days notice, get
dropped twice, get up and knock out former champion Alberto Machado.

Speaker 1 (01:18:57):
Luke.

Speaker 2 (01:18:57):
Thomas Fiero turned in a performance that was worthy of
the hype that this fight got, meaning that the WBC
created a special commemorative like Mexican All Action Brawl title.
They had the family of the late Israel Vasquez coming
and present that belt. It was everyone's talking about twenty
fifth anniversary of Morales Berrera. Luke, these two came in

(01:19:18):
and poured the damn jug out from like the opening
bell gave us twelve incredible rounds of action. Cruz wins
a close decision. I did see some narrative out there
that Fierro may have exposed Cruise the limitations of his
offensive game. Is it that true? Or is this more
about pit Bull maybe having won forty limitations as opposed

(01:19:39):
to maybe thirty five, which is a better.

Speaker 6 (01:19:40):
Way class I think Pitpull has stylistic limitations, but Fierro
just looked to me ungodly tough. I mean, there were
times like Bull's got a piple can crack. Yeah, like
Tanks even said.

Speaker 2 (01:19:53):
There were some early right hands where Fierro was rotten.

Speaker 1 (01:19:55):
Dude.

Speaker 6 (01:19:55):
There were times fuck the first few rounds throughout all
was it ten or twelve whatever it was? Yeah, maybe
there were times when Fierro was getting cracked and I
was like, surely he's going to stumble here, and he
just kept pressing on, and I was like, Okay, this
is an unusual level of toughness, Ryo. I thought beating
with toughness and skill. Obviously Pitbull got his hand raised here.

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But what I'm trying to point out was I thought
Fierro made it very competitive in certain way, but he
didn't do it with as much skill. So what I'm
gonna say is, it's not like I have a huge
change in opinion on what Pitbull can and can't do.
It does to me seem some weight class dependent but
really opponent dependent. But I just thought what Fierro was

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able to do and withstanding it. I'm telling you, I
was watching with my wife and I was like, Okay,
he's gonna fall here, and he just kept going, Oh,
he's gonna fall here, He's gonna fall here, and he
just kept going and then putting it on cruise at
certain points and turning the tide.

Speaker 2 (01:20:48):
Certainly three and nine are Round of the Year contenders, Yes,
they were just Round three was mayhem, Yes, yes, yes,
So let's show the love you don't I think with
the audio, But here's Fierro walking out. So this this
was a dominant Cruiz Mexican crowd. Obviously Fierro's from Mexico too,
but they gave him so much love on the way out.

Speaker 1 (01:21:07):
Luke.

Speaker 2 (01:21:07):
To be honest, Fierro was considered more of a journeyman
type coming in, but a plus journeyman because he's got
balls and he doesn't have a bad record, only two
defeats coming in. This is as good of a moral
win as you can get. Do you think he should
kind of be added to the celebrity mixet one with
the elite names, whether it's in PBC, I'm not sure
his promotional status. I know he was briefly signed with
Eddie Hearn for a little bit a few years ago.

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Do you think he's a Could he do this again
against these other big players?

Speaker 1 (01:21:32):
At one forty?

Speaker 6 (01:21:33):
You think I didn't see enough skill to make me
believe he could do that, But you know, throw up
the bat signal we need a fun fight.

Speaker 1 (01:21:40):
Yeah, I mean he is your.

Speaker 2 (01:21:41):
Full He was so much bigger than Pipley, had a
seven inch reach advantage everyone, which, Okay, will we see
this again?

Speaker 1 (01:21:49):
Ooh, I'd say the chances are greater than fifty percent. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:54):
And is this a legitimate Fight of the Year contender
in your mind?

Speaker 1 (01:21:57):
Yes, I will say.

Speaker 6 (01:21:58):
Though watching this fight, you know they were talking about
Ryan Garcia versus Pitbull, and obviously I have no clue
what condition Ryan Garcia is in mentally or physically. Yes,
but if Ryan is halfway sober and halfway himself, I
think he smokes Pitbull. I think he smokes him reach advantage.
He's hit able man, super hittable, He's durable and he stop.
Please don't mist understand me. But what I'm about Ryan

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Garcia is like speed and accuracy. Well it's interesting something Ryan,
I had Devin any fight, I'm not gonna do it again.

Speaker 2 (01:22:26):
Like it's as if the loss to Tank made pit
Bull because he took him the distance, because he turned
Tank into a boxer. Really, but we know Tank hurt
his hand in that fight and it really only had
the use of his right hand. But also it was
just took that fight on late notice after they pulled
really from it. So if they had a rematch, how
do you think Pipple versus Uh Tank two would go?

Speaker 6 (01:22:48):
Same way I went the first time. I think Tank
is underrated as a boxer. I broke down that footage
for CBS in showtime and that that fight is a
big on check Hook's pivoting, circling out, great at work,
great ring general ship.

Speaker 1 (01:23:01):
Pit Bull walks forward, but he was dude in that fight.

Speaker 6 (01:23:05):
I forgot like a look at the exact round, but
by round eight I believe in a twelve round contest,
Tank had already figured him out, and pit Bull was
just kind of in cruise control of the last few
rounds because he couldn't get ahead. I don't see any
reason why that would be any different.

Speaker 1 (01:23:17):
List.

Speaker 2 (01:23:17):
Yeah, but what a hell of a fight of joy
to call shout out to those two gentlemen for bringing it.
I mean, that's a lot of pressure when they make
a commemorative bell and everybody's talking about Barrera Morales and
those two go out there and give us that like
that's as your is your audio good?

Speaker 1 (01:23:33):
I just lost you in my ear? Whatever? Yeah, Luke,
I don't know what you hit. Yeah, you hit something.

Speaker 2 (01:23:38):
You turned yourself off again.

Speaker 1 (01:23:39):
I didn't do nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:23:41):
Let's bring it, Ken, Here we go, Here we go,
We're back.

Speaker 1 (01:23:44):
You see what I mean? You see what I mean?
Fucking what? Am I not touch anything?

Speaker 2 (01:23:48):
You should just fist fight Kennar.

Speaker 1 (01:23:49):
Sound like story.

Speaker 2 (01:23:51):
Let's go topic.

Speaker 1 (01:23:52):
Number real quick?

Speaker 11 (01:23:53):
Can you explain what happened with the gloves before this fight?

Speaker 1 (01:23:55):
What was that all?

Speaker 2 (01:23:56):
I didn't end up getting the final story, but it
was during the prelims and is you and they had
the cameras backstage, it looked like whatever gloves pipple was
planning to use weren't either weren't approved by the commission,
or weren't aproved by the opponent. They figured it out,
they ultimately got it. I don't know if it was
a situation like remember Mayweather Madonna Madonna where my Donna
wanted to use the whore the puncher's gloves from Mexico,

(01:24:17):
the Rayas gloves, the horse hide gloves, and Floyd uh
ended up paying them a huge chunk of money not
to use those. So I'm not sure the situation in
the end, but it's a good question.

Speaker 1 (01:24:26):
Long on Luke.

Speaker 2 (01:24:26):
I never got a clarification on that. I was only
a commentator in the end of the day.

Speaker 1 (01:24:30):
I appreciate you clearing it up. Thank you.

Speaker 6 (01:24:32):
I will say that they had that main event running
by like eleven.

Speaker 2 (01:24:35):
Oh, it was cool. It was that was a quick
block out.

Speaker 1 (01:24:38):
I'm so happy with the speed of that.

Speaker 6 (01:24:39):
Dud When they start those pay per views at eight,
you see, we can't start pay per views still ten.

Speaker 1 (01:24:43):
I'm like, dude, I don't know about that.

Speaker 11 (01:24:44):
Dude.

Speaker 2 (01:24:45):
I love that Al Hayman doesn't allow them to do
the the UH.

Speaker 1 (01:24:47):
I don't know if it's his call.

Speaker 2 (01:24:48):
I assumed like the the national anthems. Yeah, because that
could have been I saw people tweet they could have
been a three national anthem main event and they ultimately, uh, fuck,
you're right, ultimately didn't Ye.

Speaker 1 (01:24:58):
Great, thank god. Yeah, I don't need to hear it them.

Speaker 2 (01:25:00):
Yeah, let's go to topic number five. As mentioned, we
will be back this Friday, eleven a m. Eastern in
this studio with Chuckman and All giving you the full
pregame preview.

Speaker 1 (01:25:08):
Brought to you by QUERFO.

Speaker 2 (01:25:10):
But it is UFC three twelve this Saturday in Australia.
What city is it in Australia?

Speaker 1 (01:25:15):
Sydney. In Sydney, Australia, the Kudos Bank Arena, not the home.

Speaker 2 (01:25:20):
Of mister Nocita of Melbourne fame. But Luke, it is
a card.

Speaker 1 (01:25:24):
Okay, I believe it's pronounced Melbourne.

Speaker 2 (01:25:27):
No, it's pronounced Melbourne.

Speaker 1 (01:25:28):
I know local. They're like, listen, I know what the
letters say. Fucking ignore it. Yeah, that's that's how you
pronounce it.

Speaker 7 (01:25:35):
Now now feels like a good time to bring up
the results of the poll. Okay, So we have six
hundred and fifty plus votes for which card is better? Yeah,
sixty one percent are saying UFC Saudi is better than
just just clowns.

Speaker 2 (01:25:48):
I think they're right.

Speaker 1 (01:25:49):
I think they're right. You're both wrong, and you're gonna
see that you're both wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:25:52):
Wow. Wow, All right, So Luke Thomas, as it goes
down this weekend main event, of course, a Middleway title
rematch between Dricis Dupless and Seawan Strickland. What storyline surrounding
UFC three twelve, and obviously we're gonna break this shit
down intensifyingly on Friday. But from a distance, which one
has you most interested?

Speaker 1 (01:26:10):
Can I tell you? There's a million ways to go.

Speaker 6 (01:26:13):
As I mentioned, Cody Steele being on the prelims, I
think is a big deal. I would say from a
storyline standpoint, I'm paying most attention to Tatiana Suarez. That
seems like a very do or die moment. But can
I pick something a little bit different?

Speaker 2 (01:26:25):
You can pick whatever you want, but we'll put a
poll out to prove you wrong.

Speaker 6 (01:26:27):
Okay, fair, I'm sure, I'm sure you Listen, you guys
are all wrong about this card. I don't know what
to tell you. Okay, there is something interesting about the
main event. Now, the first main event, I rewatched it
it's not very fun fair to say.

Speaker 2 (01:26:40):
High skilling is tense, and it was.

Speaker 1 (01:26:42):
My skill tense, but not super thrilling.

Speaker 2 (01:26:44):
Yes, okay, I have called the thriller in the past.
I'm probably wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:26:47):
Let me rewatch it, but certainly not crap. I'm not
saying it's crap.

Speaker 2 (01:26:50):
Ye.

Speaker 6 (01:26:50):
In real time, I thought DDP one. Second time I
thought Shan Strickland one. I watched it again, I definitely
thought Sean Strickland one. Okay, it's not about that or
the implications, but Sean Strickland has made an alteration to
his style that I thought was made bear in the
first fight. Sean Strickland has decided that he's going to
do a lot of He does sort of a square

(01:27:11):
Philly shell, picks up the lead leg to counteract leg kicks,
Perry's kind of leans out of the way, all that stuff.
But what really happens is that when DDP blitzes, and
this happens not just with DDP, but you saw it
in this fight a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:27:23):
He would retreat cross.

Speaker 6 (01:27:25):
Stepping out of the way, leaning his head all the
way back. If you look on the camera here, if
my hips are in front and my head is back,
this is a mechanically not advantageous position from which to
throw anything. In fact, he typically does not. Sometimes he
will to get guys off of him, but he doesn't throw.
Something happened in the Paulo Costa fight, the one in
between this one where you go. You saw him issue

(01:27:46):
these retreats. He would stop and then try and throw.
He didn't do it all that successfully, but it was
clear he was tired of losing five round fights when
these wars of attrition where it's kind of hard to
tell who's winning, and he's coming up razor close. So
they decided, if you're just going to retreat like that,
you will lose these fights. It's too much. You're giving up.

(01:28:07):
You're forced to reset. You can't throw from this position.
There's no counter attack. So they're trying to change his style.

Speaker 1 (01:28:13):
Interesting.

Speaker 6 (01:28:14):
They're trying to make him sit down, retreat, some retreat
in a certain way that enables you to throw back,
because I think if he goes back to what he
did the.

Speaker 1 (01:28:23):
First time coin flip, I don't know how it's going
to go.

Speaker 6 (01:28:27):
They're trying to put more muscle into his defensively oriented style.
This is the time to make that work and they've
bringing in Poeton, and I saw, well.

Speaker 1 (01:28:39):
Can we play the clip?

Speaker 2 (01:28:40):
Because I actually caught up with Eric Nixon, friend of
the show.

Speaker 6 (01:28:44):
Friend of the show, Why is Poeton in the corner
if he doesn't speak English?

Speaker 1 (01:28:48):
I actually think Nixic has a great answer to this.

Speaker 5 (01:28:50):
Did this all come together to get Alex in the
corner for this one? He was going to be out there,
and it was just one of those things where we're
looking at the corner and I knew he's going to
be out there, and you know, Johnny Eubly couldn't make
it out. I was hoping to have him in the corner.
Myself and Danny Davis will be there, and it was
just a matter of convenience. And these are two guys
that really trust one another. You know, Sean went out

(01:29:10):
there to help him get ready for a clear roundtree.
And you know this what people don't really understand. And
I see some people thinking it's like a publicity things.
It's more about the comfortability in your corner, and not
only that, what Alex is going to bring to the
locker room. And Sean warms up very very hard. Sean
basically fights in the back to get his eyes in

(01:29:31):
his rhythm and his timing on point. Who better to
be back there to help you warm up than Alex
freaking paid to right, Like, that guy's gonna help So
I see, you know, I've seen a couple of comments
here and there about he doesn't even speak English. He
was in our corner for the last Dreekas fight. He
sat right behind me and he told me everything in
my ear. Hey, make sure he teeps more, make sure
he job's more. We speak mma, right, there's enough for

(01:29:53):
him to be able to say it helped to be
a resource for us. And look, if we're going to battle,
who better to have in your corner and Alex Pajeda.

Speaker 2 (01:30:01):
So I'll take him in any capacity that we can get.

Speaker 5 (01:30:03):
But there's there's a lot of deeper levels and layers
of having in the corner than just him just standing
there looking scary, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:30:10):
So he's gonna help us a ton.

Speaker 6 (01:30:12):
Okay, here's why this is important and relevant. I mentioned
they're trying to reform Strickland's style, and you're bringing in
now a guy like Poeton, who I think they're you're
getting him ready in the back, all of the prep,
all of the some advice he might get between rounds.
But the point I want to make was remember what
Drick has said about how he beat Sean Strickland, and
his answer was volume. I just kept throwing. I just

(01:30:33):
kept going. They're going to try and meet fire with fire.
I'm not declaring to you. I'm not declaring to you
that the fight is going to be a barn burner.
What I am saying is it's going to be a
test case about whether they can fight fire with fire
by trying to turbo charge some of the offense that
has been missing from his style. To me is why
when people were shitting on this main event, I'm like,

(01:30:55):
I can't. I cannot declare to you what's going to happen.
But the pessimism around it, to me is.

Speaker 1 (01:31:00):
A little stroke.

Speaker 2 (01:31:00):
I agree with that. And and like I said, I
thought the first fight was interesting to watch. I want
to see the second one. My my biggest storyline was
going to be Poeton, but my question was gonna be
more ceremonial. That is an interesting breakdown of the ways
that it actually could affect. At first, I was like,
are they trying to set up DDP moving up to
two of five so they've has nothing to do with that, right,
It's just sort of like Strickling gets on with with
with Chrauma. They're they're good, which is a weird, weird partnership.

Speaker 1 (01:31:23):
But it works.

Speaker 2 (01:31:24):
Right, This is good. This is gonna be interesting come
come Saturday. And I'm really excited about that.

Speaker 1 (01:31:28):
What they had Pereira showing video of him cheering for
is he in this fight? Did you see that?

Speaker 2 (01:31:32):
Yes, they've become friendly and had like they shared that,
they've shared dms and.

Speaker 6 (01:31:36):
I think so and like, you know he dude, these
guys are like, once the battle's done, man, there's no
reason to.

Speaker 2 (01:31:41):
EERI and Jamal thrown down shots in the exactly I
actually prefer to see. We didn't see it under the
cap there. But Nick Sick's hair has made a comeback, right.

Speaker 1 (01:31:48):
You know what? My man took that flight to Istanbul? Dude?
What about Dan? What about Danny.

Speaker 2 (01:31:52):
Rupe getting on that? Is he gonna be better about this?
Because I love Day He's my favorite manager in the game,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:31:57):
Dude, he texted me when he sees this ship, what
bro will keep doing this?

Speaker 2 (01:32:01):
He's a great wrestler at ou d one baby, Okay,
big time do you listen.

Speaker 1 (01:32:05):
He's not the tallest man I've ever No, but.

Speaker 2 (01:32:06):
He's he's connected.

Speaker 1 (01:32:07):
Yeah, yeah, he's connected us.

Speaker 2 (01:32:09):
Is he chef cuts guy?

Speaker 1 (01:32:10):
He a chef cuts guy? Will Harman DDP, Yes, yes, yes,
there we go.

Speaker 2 (01:32:17):
All right, those are our five topic and let's know, see,
do you got anything to say about three twelve or
we'll save it for Friday.

Speaker 1 (01:32:22):
We'll hit it on Friday.

Speaker 2 (01:32:22):
All right, Thank you very much. That's the best thing.
That's why we have here. Those are our five topics.
Thank you for playing. Now we move on to our
first fan related segment of the week, and it is
the call that we put out every Sunday night on
social media at Morning Combat And obviously you can see
our email address morning combat at gmail dot com, which
is reserved for the Friday elements. You won't see him
this week, but fan subs.

Speaker 1 (01:32:44):
What's the other one? Dead wrong?

Speaker 2 (01:32:45):
This one, though, is about you having questions that need answers.
This one's called DMS from dogs. That's just so like
gross and offensive. That's yeah, I mean, that's the worst
thing of ever. Okay, what do we got here. Let's
hit it. Let's hit it, and let's hit it hard.
This is from Flannels and JITs Luke, which you know
sounds like a Christmas vacation from high school, you know,

(01:33:07):
watching Cinemax the whole time? Right, What are the top
three fights to make for Izzy after this defeat?

Speaker 6 (01:33:13):
I don't There's nothing I wish to see my my
dream and I mean this sincerely, dude.

Speaker 1 (01:33:18):
You saw the best of them. I have no desire
to see him clobbered.

Speaker 2 (01:33:21):
Trilogy with his buddy Whittaker.

Speaker 1 (01:33:23):
Nothing, not, No, I don't want to see any of it. Dude.

Speaker 6 (01:33:25):
I don't pine for watching aging legends perform in the
ageist part of their career.

Speaker 1 (01:33:30):
I don't. I don't understand.

Speaker 2 (01:33:32):
Does this extend to the adult film industry too.

Speaker 1 (01:33:36):
Some examples that I can think of might get an exception,
but but.

Speaker 2 (01:33:41):
I mean fucking fighting, and it's it's all the same.

Speaker 6 (01:33:43):
It's all the same. Really, But I mean serious, like,
I just don't. I'm not even thinking about top three.
I don't think about anything. I recognize that there might
be some more on the way, but this.

Speaker 2 (01:33:51):
Is the part of the show where we stop being serious.

Speaker 6 (01:33:54):
Well, I'm just I mean like, I just it seems
again I understand the fame impulse to not let aging
fighters who you had a strong attachment to go. I
get it, it's totally normal, but at some point you
have to reckon with the fact that you get to
a place due the fight game is not a fucking joke.

Speaker 2 (01:34:11):
Okay, well what about what about this?

Speaker 1 (01:34:13):
It's over?

Speaker 2 (01:34:14):
What about this? Is he versus m VP?

Speaker 7 (01:34:18):
No, I don't have it any that's not long. Look
a lot of people were saying that in my life chat.
They're like super friendly, like really good. I don't think
they'd fight each other, but I will say, uh, guesstl rematch.
Come on, that's always on the tape.

Speaker 2 (01:34:30):
Come on, come on one more?

Speaker 11 (01:34:32):
And what about char Bullet Chara Bullet?

Speaker 1 (01:34:33):
Is he called him out to fight before? That's an
interesting thing.

Speaker 6 (01:34:36):
First of all, R Steve, Steve, just please turn in
your Excel spreadsheet reports.

Speaker 1 (01:34:41):
Please? What the fuck are you doing?

Speaker 6 (01:34:43):
See, no one has ever been in real life pirates
are dangerous and shit, but like, who has ever been
intimidated by a pirate gimmick ever in your life?

Speaker 1 (01:34:52):
Like it's the least.

Speaker 6 (01:34:53):
Intimidating thing ever, Like the closest you can get to
it is, like I don't know, Like it's who is
intimidated by fucking pirate ship. He's wearing a rag like
like an old.

Speaker 1 (01:35:07):
Washwoman somewhere in the middle of nowhere, just cleaning clothes
on a fucking clothesline and ship like. It's just it's
the lamest fucking you know.

Speaker 2 (01:35:14):
He should walk out to that creed song with eye
wide old.

Speaker 1 (01:35:21):
Sorry that was that was for start.

Speaker 2 (01:35:22):
Let's go to the next one. Let's go to the
next one, please from Fayhee. Liam Luke's favorite.

Speaker 1 (01:35:28):
First name is definitely not American.

Speaker 2 (01:35:29):
Who is seen as the better striker in all of
m m A. Is he or Alex both have a
win over each other. Alex is a two weight champion,
is he has more title defenses? So they want to
know who's the better pure MMA.

Speaker 1 (01:35:40):
Striker of the two.

Speaker 2 (01:35:40):
It's got to be easy, right now.

Speaker 6 (01:35:42):
Well, that's complicated because certainly, well, let's be clear, Alex
did way more in kickboxing.

Speaker 1 (01:35:50):
It was it was a double champ because he was
never a.

Speaker 6 (01:35:51):
Champ and in like the highest level. He was good
at the highest level, but he was never great and
and Poeto was great. So there's one big difference there.

Speaker 1 (01:36:00):
In mm A that's tough.

Speaker 2 (01:36:03):
Is he has despite getting knocked out in the first fight,
has like dominated more of the action against him, but
he picked it up.

Speaker 6 (01:36:12):
I mean it was there was takedowns in that fight too.
I mean, certainly you can say this poet. The difference
we talked about where is he is managing guys and
diffusing bombs. That's not what Poton does. Poton just goes
and just fucking yeah, you know, lays it down. He
lowers the boom on. Yeah, he lowers the boom on you.
And that makes it a very different proposition. I will
say that is he has seemingly more tools. I do

(01:36:33):
think that is true. He uses a lot more to
make his product work. But there's a certain like brutal
simplicity to what Poton does that is fucking magic.

Speaker 2 (01:36:43):
Is it crazy that the two biggest catchphrases in MMA
begin with the letter.

Speaker 1 (01:36:47):
H shama and cheweewies.

Speaker 2 (01:36:52):
I forgot about next one? Please long island, thank you
from at you don't know Tyler. Assumingello beats Bud and
collects the loan belt from William's skull, is the likelihood
that Canelo goes up to face the winner of Benavita's
bed give up undisputed versus undisputed. I don't think he
wants it, But is there a scenario where Canelo goes,

(01:37:13):
all right, I've done my money gets yeah, and now
I want one more huge one that will.

Speaker 1 (01:37:18):
Bring the cash out with Turkey.

Speaker 2 (01:37:21):
So you think Bud is the cash out?

Speaker 1 (01:37:23):
Then no, he's saying.

Speaker 6 (01:37:24):
He's saying in this the scenario that he positive was
what happens if Bud that like, like, so he beats Bud, right,
that's the scenario. So now we're talking in a post
Bud world. I think what he's ready to be done.
He might go and say I'll just give one more
go at Bivol and if I lose, I'm done, have
a huge check.

Speaker 1 (01:37:41):
But like, dude, I don't know what delusional.

Speaker 6 (01:37:44):
World people are living in where people think Canelo is
hunting down tough fights. He's been doing the opposite for
literally years at this but he's such.

Speaker 2 (01:37:52):
A the rest of his career has been badass, so
it's so hard to just act like this is just
who he's be calm. I'm like, is he waiting Benavita's out?
In some levels?

Speaker 6 (01:38:02):
Something absolutely not who he was what he did up
to twenty twenty. When did he beat Kail Plant twenty
twenty one. Yeah, so, like up to that point, he
was a fucking terminator. But since that point, since the
Bevil loss anyway, it's been the exact option.

Speaker 2 (01:38:16):
I mean, he did want to get bevol second time
Bevall seventy five and he couldn't, So I mean, I'll
give him the credit for wanting it. But there's like
whispers that he might fight Jake Paul this year. There's
like whispers out there. I think it's I really hope.
I don't know if they say that. I just really
hope not. People, Please, can we just stop with this bs? Okay,
let's go to the next question from the folks, from

(01:38:37):
the people here from oh look, from Hawaii's finest, right,
Telvin keep Appah, Yeah, take that, dazz right.

Speaker 11 (01:38:44):
Who do you.

Speaker 2 (01:38:45):
Guys have winning the Super Bowl? The Eagles?

Speaker 6 (01:38:48):
I mean, or this is truly a this is the
Sophie's choice really of Super Bowls. It's like the Kansas
City Chiefs, who basically everyone outside of Kansas City is
fucking sick of, versus the worst fan base in American
pro sports in the Philadelphia Eagles, who, by the way,
I don't know if you saw all the videos of
like you know, the Commanders got whooped when they played
it at the length and they're all leaving in all

(01:39:09):
the Philly fans are just fucking harassing and quite libally
physically attacking.

Speaker 1 (01:39:12):
Those Those are Sean Brady's people.

Speaker 6 (01:39:14):
I like Sean Brady a lot, but you know, I
don't think Sean would do that. But I agree Sean
is associated with them, and you know they are dirt bags.

Speaker 2 (01:39:22):
I mean, you're right.

Speaker 6 (01:39:23):
I have a rule that if my team loses, and
they lose thoroughly, I actually cheer for the team that
beat them because they won fair and square.

Speaker 1 (01:39:30):
Philly won fair and square.

Speaker 2 (01:39:31):
Philly does have nicer service workers than DC.

Speaker 1 (01:39:35):
How do you know that's true.

Speaker 2 (01:39:37):
I've been to Philly.

Speaker 1 (01:39:38):
I've been to Philly too.

Speaker 2 (01:39:39):
I mean, you can get stabbed in Philly pretty quickly,
but they'll they'll sell your jokes at the Register early story,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 6 (01:39:45):
I'm gonna I'm gonna cheer for Philly. And it's again,
it's Sophie's choice. The Nazis are asking you which kid
you want to give up. I don't know what there
was a right answer to that one, but I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:39:53):
I don't really care. Be fair, I'll watch it beat
on the Super Bowl.

Speaker 7 (01:39:58):
I don't really care either. But you're about Philly fans
being insufferable, so I'll go Chiefs.

Speaker 6 (01:40:02):
Dude, who are these I saw these Commanders fans being
like no, I got harassed at at at the link,
and I'm like, why the fuck would you go to
Philadelphia head to toe in whatever team's gear?

Speaker 1 (01:40:14):
You saw? That said? You see the guy who.

Speaker 6 (01:40:15):
Lost his job, who attacked the girl with the Green
Bay Packers gear at the same fucking.

Speaker 2 (01:40:20):
Fan bases they act like they're gangs.

Speaker 1 (01:40:23):
Yeah, I mean, why would you ever go to an
NFL game? Ever? It's the worst experience on known demand.
But then more to that, like, why would you go
to fucking Philly? Dude? I told you this. I took
my wife. She had never been to an NFL game before.

Speaker 6 (01:40:34):
I didn't take her to Philly, but I took her
to This was when the RG three season, and I
took her to see and play the Giants at what's
the Meadlelands?

Speaker 1 (01:40:41):
Yeah, Middlelands right?

Speaker 2 (01:40:43):
Or it's Met Life No.

Speaker 1 (01:40:44):
But met Life whatever?

Speaker 6 (01:40:45):
And uh, we go through the turnstile and immediately in
front of us a fistfight, broken eye, and she was like,
it's just like Columbia.

Speaker 2 (01:40:54):
Just let's bbls. Just let's do we have more questions
from these people. This is from fran Unders score six
oh seven. Not really a question, but BC you did, Gritty,
Yes you did. I'm very happy for you. I get
nervous when you post more than three motivational quotes a day. Yeah,
people always like, what's going on in your life? I'm like,
I'm trying to share hope and optimism with others.

Speaker 6 (01:41:14):
You post more motivational quotes than like the dumbest Barbie
girl on Instagram ever.

Speaker 2 (01:41:21):
That is, you know, but that's me, you know, Yeah,
that's how That's who I am. So thank you, Thank you,
appreciate that obviously, appreciate all thee uh not not corporately,
but from the from the donks, from the donks, from
the people.

Speaker 1 (01:41:31):
It was very a lot of love. How did you
feel when it was over?

Speaker 2 (01:41:34):
I feel I felt tired, but I felt like we
did very well. Yeah, I mean, I've I can improve
in certain areas for sure, but I feel like for
day one, Chemistry, Abner More and I we did damn one.

Speaker 6 (01:41:43):
We talked about was before the show. You know, I've
not been the biggest fan of Abner.

Speaker 2 (01:41:48):
Oh, this was his best show by far, killed.

Speaker 1 (01:41:51):
It and we talked about this before. I want to
say this.

Speaker 6 (01:41:54):
I know people were saying that he was not necessarily
given the most accurate translations.

Speaker 1 (01:41:59):
I'm not going to names.

Speaker 6 (01:42:00):
I'm just gonna say I know a lot of the
people who do those translations typically, and Abner's was as
good or better than most of them.

Speaker 2 (01:42:07):
So I can't comment on that because I don't speak.

Speaker 6 (01:42:09):
So he's commentating and doing translation. You were doing again
prelim card, main card and post fight interviews.

Speaker 1 (01:42:15):
It was smooth, brother, Yes, it was smooth.

Speaker 2 (01:42:17):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (01:42:17):
I appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (01:42:18):
Is that it long on Luke for the people. Thank
you so much for your questions. A reminder for next
week's show, warning combat at gmail dot com.

Speaker 1 (01:42:25):
We'll give you access to fan subs.

Speaker 2 (01:42:27):
Dead wrong and potentially showing your package to Mikey, but
do not do that. Thank you so much, all right,
please don't so disgusting.

Speaker 1 (01:42:34):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:42:35):
Our final segment of the week involves me surfing the
globe on Sundays to find the highs and lows, the
good and bad only I was traveling this week. So, Luke,
this is like my B squad, you know, like when
your favorite band like can't put an album together because
they're doing Heroin. So the record company's like, here's an
odds and sods B sides collection? Right, mm hmm, yeah,
this is a bunch of shit. Have you seen it?

(01:43:04):
Let's see if my JV team can still entertain you, Luke,
did you hear about the big g f L signing
over the weekend?

Speaker 1 (01:43:09):
Did they sign somebody who's dead and they just dug
up his corpse? Kind of? Let's see it.

Speaker 6 (01:43:16):
Too soon to stop disrespecting the legends, is what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:43:22):
I mean, they're making this guy seem like he's old. Luke.
You know what they should do with old people. Take
virtual reality toys away from them.

Speaker 11 (01:43:30):
Push your right finger into it.

Speaker 5 (01:43:31):
There you go. Okay, when you hike them ball, you
gotta you gotta hold the right figer down.

Speaker 2 (01:43:39):
You gotta keep it out down and then Luke, all right,
p Kobe, But people are still out here asking you
how your ass taste? Check this out?

Speaker 1 (01:43:58):
I support this?

Speaker 2 (01:43:59):
Okay. That's not pro soccer, right, that looks like weekend Warriors.

Speaker 6 (01:44:03):
So this looks like pro soccer and like, you know,
like the third division in some.

Speaker 2 (01:44:08):
That's not a tea bag. That's a that's a rim
job right there.

Speaker 6 (01:44:11):
That is Listen, you know, how do you combat flopping
in soccer tea bags?

Speaker 1 (01:44:19):
Butthole that isle?

Speaker 2 (01:44:22):
Uh yeah, so uh let's watch this video. Sherberts felt
like that, all right, you don't double check that I
did this. Guy, we can call it Sherbert. It's fine, Okay,
it's not like what people say.

Speaker 1 (01:44:41):
Call it. It's called Sherbet.

Speaker 2 (01:44:44):
People say February all the time, and off TI say February.

Speaker 1 (01:44:48):
They don't. They say they don't, but it is. I'm right.

Speaker 2 (01:44:51):
If you say Sherbert, you're an asshole. I know you're
trying to do the pedantic. I've I'm educated, but think
why I.

Speaker 1 (01:44:56):
Know what Sherbet and not Sherbert? Can I tell you?
And I'm being dead series the I lost in the
fourth grade spelling bee because I got this wrong?

Speaker 2 (01:45:05):
Is that the town spelling bee?

Speaker 1 (01:45:08):
You know what I was? I went to they changed
the name.

Speaker 6 (01:45:10):
I forgot the name of the school is It was
Thomas Jefferson Elementary. That was where I went. That's a
different school name. Now I don't know what it's called now.
It was my first year there. I just moved there
when my mom got divorced with my dad, and they
it was the spelling B and they were like, spell
subet and I thought my own mind, oh sure bert
b e r T, and I done the same thing. Yeah,
it's bet b ET And I was like, I was like,

(01:45:30):
there's no fucking way it's bet. And then I went
home and I looked in the dictionary and for sure
it was surebet.

Speaker 1 (01:45:35):
And I was sad.

Speaker 2 (01:45:37):
Did you know that? I won the town spelling B
in fifth grade? And I went to the state championship
and I finished fourteenth?

Speaker 1 (01:45:43):
Wow, did you really? Why did you become some fucking.

Speaker 2 (01:45:46):
Inept marijuana exhibit A.

Speaker 1 (01:45:52):
So that's the only reason I know this is because
I got. I got fucking also lost in the goddamn.

Speaker 2 (01:45:56):
Thing whippets behind the Hey vote for Tito, right, let's
check us out.

Speaker 5 (01:46:02):
I take a lot of slack from people saying that
you're a sellout.

Speaker 1 (01:46:06):
You know what, I'm not a sellout. I'm an American.

Speaker 13 (01:46:08):
Oh yeah, And at the end of the day, united
and divide it fall.

Speaker 2 (01:46:22):
That's not how that quote goes don't tread on him. Please.
Even Dana got in the comments on that post and
where he was like, oh my god, people are still
giving you a microphone in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 6 (01:46:30):
He was like, my boy, I thought, you know, isn't
Tito was on the season of The Apprentice with Trump? Right, Yes,
I think he was on Celebrity Apprentice.

Speaker 2 (01:46:42):
I used to love Celebrity Apprentice.

Speaker 6 (01:46:43):
By the way I watched The Apprentice, I'm not gonna
she only lasted like most shows, I only.

Speaker 1 (01:46:47):
Lasted the season.

Speaker 2 (01:46:48):
Junior was great in that Joe.

Speaker 1 (01:46:50):
They weren't.

Speaker 6 (01:46:50):
I mean, obviously I didn't know he was a you know,
kettle meine adult fucking idiot. But I'll say this, I
thought that Trump and like Tito were like, you know,
not close or something, but they had a positive relationship.

Speaker 2 (01:47:01):
I don't think you can be friends with Tito and Dana.
I think Dana, yeah, that's right.

Speaker 1 (01:47:04):
I think that's right. I mean it feels like he's
been iced out a little bit, right, Yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (01:47:08):
Think life is icing to some degree. But uh luke,
it's time to play a game we haven't played in
a long time. It's time to rate that test, dude.
One to ten ten being you know, perfect perfect. Okay,
here we go, let's start off. This comes to us
from the artist Pablo Esquiel Frius.

Speaker 1 (01:47:25):
And it took Yeah, I'm sure you said that correct, And.

Speaker 2 (01:47:27):
It took eighteen hours. Luke, give me a rating one
to ten on this.

Speaker 6 (01:47:30):
This is a ten. This is about as good as
this style of tattoo gettings. Look at the saturation on
the color, The shading is perfect, the placement on the
body is absolutely I've never seen colors prop like that.

Speaker 1 (01:47:42):
That is.

Speaker 2 (01:47:43):
So.

Speaker 6 (01:47:43):
You know what's interesting is I got a tattoo years ago,
the one that's got the flag on my arm, and
I remember that. When I got these newer ones, they
looked at that one and I was asking, like, you know,
why is this one fading?

Speaker 1 (01:47:53):
And what they told me.

Speaker 6 (01:47:54):
Is recently, I guess in the last like five to
seven years, there's been an advancement in tattoo coloring ink.
It's gotten both safer and better quality. And I asked him,
I was like, oh, how long will these ones last?
And his answer was, because these are so new, they
actually don't even know. They expect it will last longer.
But the one I'm trying to make is that is skill.
For sure, that is skill, but it might be just

(01:48:14):
also a product of like really good new material too.

Speaker 2 (01:48:17):
So that's a ten. Mister Hebos's tattoo is.

Speaker 1 (01:48:19):
Like what a negative seventy five thousand.

Speaker 2 (01:48:21):
Let's go to the next tat that, Luke and rate.

Speaker 1 (01:48:25):
Titty. Go here, Luke, can we get.

Speaker 2 (01:48:29):
A score please?

Speaker 1 (01:48:31):
It's a ten for effort.

Speaker 6 (01:48:32):
Yes, the taste buds look like he has some kind
of disease, look like rib cage must.

Speaker 1 (01:48:37):
Also, it's just really unappealing. I'm gonna go three.

Speaker 2 (01:48:40):
Okay, let's go to the next one, Luke. This is
a real touching, romantic one with a heart.

Speaker 6 (01:48:46):
It's a certain kind of minimalist tattoo. Again, line work,
not terrible, saturation, good artistic expression, a little questionable.

Speaker 2 (01:48:56):
Okay, okay, four, okay, let's go to this NFL fan, Luke.
I think you can give him a zero, but what
about his Niner gang?

Speaker 6 (01:49:06):
To get more acting on the back of your head?
You absolute zero? I mean, look at this? Is this
a where's the difference between being an NFL fan and
a goddamn prison gang? I don't know, except I guess
they use red coloring on the tattoos as opposed to
just black and gray. This is terrible, This is zero.

Speaker 2 (01:49:21):
Do you think tattoos on the back of the head
are more often than not always terrible?

Speaker 1 (01:49:27):
More often than not, yes, but there certainly are exceptions.

Speaker 2 (01:49:29):
What about political ones in the back of the head? Me?

Speaker 1 (01:49:31):
What do we got here? Oh my god? What line
is this? Fucking Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:49:42):
That's good ship right there? All right, Hey, I got
a new toy idea Luke for tuks.

Speaker 1 (01:49:46):
What do you think? Oh god, dude, that is that
is That is a little mean.

Speaker 2 (01:49:58):
Have you ever seen the longest bowl strike before?

Speaker 1 (01:50:01):
Watch this? That's pretty awesome. That is off the carpet.

Speaker 2 (01:50:10):
Yeah, that is pretty pretty awesome, Luke. We all love
those zoom you know, after COVID. We love those zoom
videos where someone doesn't realize their cameras still on and
they're like getting the jerkins out, you know what I mean?
Check out this little thing. Yeah, okay, So if you
have a question on meet yourself and shout away.

Speaker 3 (01:50:29):
Yeah, teach.

Speaker 2 (01:50:30):
This ship is reggie. Dude, I don't know what the
fuck I'm supposed to do.

Speaker 3 (01:50:33):
Dude, this ship is garbage. What do I what do
I say to the plug.

Speaker 2 (01:50:38):
Yeah, the guy the teacher ended the ended the uh
uh bar.

Speaker 6 (01:50:44):
Look, we are two assholes in their forties. What does
it mean that the weed is reggie.

Speaker 7 (01:50:49):
Rags like ship like brick weed that you would get
like I've heard of like the worst weed from like
the seventies with.

Speaker 2 (01:50:55):
Like the weed that we would buy in Waterbury, Connecticut
in the nineties had a regano and you know it
was just called we never called.

Speaker 11 (01:51:01):
It's called Reggs regular, Reggie, Reggie Bush.

Speaker 1 (01:51:04):
There's age, there's a bunch of names. Jackson, Reggie Jackson.

Speaker 2 (01:51:09):
That cat, by the way, he he missed me a lot.
He slept under my channel.

Speaker 10 (01:51:15):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:51:15):
Just yeah, like a python choking. I love that guy
so much. All right, you know those how it started,
how to ended things that happened.

Speaker 1 (01:51:22):
Watch this guy at this wedding. This is how it started.

Speaker 2 (01:51:28):
That's that's body. That's the lesson the kids out there.

Speaker 6 (01:51:47):
I told this story before. There was a famous place
in Columbia. Anyone who's been there, you've heard of it.
They've opened up a version of it in Miami, but
it's a bullshit version.

Speaker 1 (01:51:55):
It's called Andres Andres Andres for short. It's this most
incredible thing.

Speaker 6 (01:52:02):
It's like a steampunk restaurant that does like anything you
could imagine, right, Like, it's just ridiculous. And I was
in line for the bathroom when it was closing. This
is the real one, for folks who know, this is
not the one in Bogatad. This is the one in Chia,
very different. It's the original one. And I was in
line for the bathroom as it was closing, and there
was all these Brits that were in line with me,
and this guy took a bottle of aguadadante. Dude, this
is like picking tequila, Like that's how strong it is.

(01:52:23):
And I'll never fucking forget this. He was already shithoused.
He cracks this motherfucker and goes to the face with it.
We're talking like a leader of this fucking thing.

Speaker 1 (01:52:35):
Dude. If he lived to make it home, I would
be shocked.

Speaker 6 (01:52:39):
I'm talking alcohol poisoning on the best of circumstances, dude.

Speaker 2 (01:52:43):
I went to Jamaica in three and then the lobby
bar after midnight one night, two armed forces gentlemen challenged
each other to a vodka shot, uh whatever you call it.
A You know they were already drunk. They got us
to eighteen shots, and on the eighteenth one, this guy
I did the shot, celebrated and then fell face forward
and hit his face on.

Speaker 1 (01:53:03):
The bar aloholde, oh my god.

Speaker 2 (01:53:06):
I'm like, what do you win if you win that?
The worst hangover ever and alcohol poisoning.

Speaker 1 (01:53:11):
Your IQ lowered by fifty.

Speaker 2 (01:53:13):
You imagine drinking that much? I mean, you know, because
it takes you fifty five beers to get drunk, but
only through Margarita's folks.

Speaker 1 (01:53:18):
Okay, listen, listen at my peak, at my peak, I
could drink.

Speaker 2 (01:53:21):
All right, let's head over to the barber shop here
for either. I never said I could. All right, Luke,
what do you think of.

Speaker 1 (01:53:28):
This little I mean crazy? Where where is the drive
by shooter? When you get I mean, what are we doing?

Speaker 2 (01:53:32):
Okay? You can rate that, Dad or Erica? Your choice?
Uh Luke. This next barber shop creation gives new meaning
to the term dickhead.

Speaker 6 (01:53:44):
I don't know if this is a big rank did
as they say? As the kids say online, they did
unk dirty?

Speaker 1 (01:53:49):
They definitely did.

Speaker 2 (01:53:50):
Have you ever heard of a drive through barber That's
a decent idea, right, I heard of this? Okay?

Speaker 1 (01:54:02):
What the fuck is the story there.

Speaker 2 (01:54:05):
I don't know, but that's that's intense right there. You know,
Seawn Michael's finishing moving. Ww the sweet Chin music he
kicked him in the face. Yeah yeah, this one's called
sweet kid music. Boy. That's uh, that's I'll give that
one five big booms. Right wow, yeah, that is good

(01:54:27):
stuff right there. All right, let's hit to the basketball court.
Somebody tell the janitor we got a live game going
on here.

Speaker 1 (01:54:33):
What the fuck?

Speaker 2 (01:54:35):
What is he doing, you know, bringing a bringing one
of the benches across the floor in the middle of
a game.

Speaker 1 (01:54:40):
Not you know, not a problem.

Speaker 2 (01:54:41):
Not a problem there, you know, good old U. That's
great stuff. Hey, it's sign for a new segment. It's
called Hats of the Week.

Speaker 1 (01:54:47):
Luke Old Kouchi is better than No Cuci. That is wisdom.

Speaker 2 (01:54:53):
Let's keep it.

Speaker 1 (01:54:54):
Going, less nacking, more gagging.

Speaker 2 (01:55:02):
And here's our our producer, Matt's favorite person in the world, Luigi.
They've they've made this guy into a hero. And one more.

Speaker 1 (01:55:14):
Check out this old bastard. These are great hats. Strip
Club veteran.

Speaker 2 (01:55:19):
Hell yeah, brother, So you get mad at me for
wearing my nWo Wrestling T shirt with the stars and
stripes on the shoulders. There these these colors don't bleed.
And this guy's got like these military badges on a
strip club.

Speaker 6 (01:55:32):
They're called ribbons. Yeah, I mean, it's all pretty bad.
It's just the difference is there's there's actually rules about
flag code. There's no well there's ribbon code, but it's
only for uniform personnel, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:55:44):
Different, speaking of strippers, we would probably celebrate anyone on
the show if they like overcame drugs and turn their
life around.

Speaker 1 (01:55:50):
Sure, even even strippers.

Speaker 14 (01:55:53):
Right the rason why I'm so emotional because this is
my fourth time that I've ever performed without any cocaine,
without any poor would I any?

Speaker 2 (01:56:07):
I mean, Luke, you gotta give it up to her, right,
she can't even on k She kicked the habit now
and now her career can really for the big take
off like her clothing all right? Uh, Luke, you remember
those Jersey shore people introduce us to GTL. I think
that's the laundry gym fight sleep. Let's watch this. Watch
the bottom of your screen.

Speaker 1 (01:56:28):
You're the guy doing curls and like mean mugging everybody yep,
with his belt on. Why do you? Why are you
doing curls with your belt on, you fucking puss. Well
take them off.

Speaker 2 (01:56:36):
He's talking trash to this dude sitting next to him.

Speaker 1 (01:56:41):
What happened?

Speaker 2 (01:56:41):
Here?

Speaker 1 (01:56:41):
Are they pushing and shove it? Oh? He fucking triangled him? Yeah?
Good good? That guy looks like a dumb.

Speaker 2 (01:56:46):
Ass tap or nap bitch.

Speaker 6 (01:56:48):
Let me just say this, if you're walking around the
gym with a belt and you're doing hammer curls, you're
a bitch.

Speaker 2 (01:56:54):
That guy got the hell out of there.

Speaker 1 (01:56:55):
You're a bitch.

Speaker 2 (01:56:56):
Wow. All right, A couple more for you, Luke. Here's
your T shirt of the week. May see this at
the Super Bowl.

Speaker 6 (01:57:01):
Taylor Swift swallows. Well, you know what, She's not my
type BC, but that might make her one, you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:57:06):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (01:57:07):
One more for you, Luke.

Speaker 1 (01:57:08):
Do you ever dress up?

Speaker 2 (01:57:09):
I mean, I hate to bring this up after rip Barbus,
but were you big on dressing up the animals and clothes?
Maybe like on like Christmas or something with Yeah, because
my dog Molly loves wearing outfits. Hats on the big
brown German shepherd. Check out this dog dressing up?

Speaker 14 (01:57:23):
A note in your pocket?

Speaker 9 (01:57:25):
Oh dog, what does it saying?

Speaker 1 (01:57:31):
What the fuck? What does it say?

Speaker 2 (01:57:34):
They just hit the second tower. That's the ship of
the week, Lucope, you saw it? All right, that's uh,
that's all we got.

Speaker 1 (01:57:46):
We're fresh off of BBC. Of BBC Jesus Christ, we're
fresh off of BC having the call of his life. Right.
I'm like, he should get this gig more consistently. And
the first thing he does when he gets back on
the air is till nine to eleven jokes.

Speaker 2 (01:58:00):
Yeah, all right, that's all we got. I'm gonna pee
my pants. But but folks, we would like you to
remember Morning Combat at gmail dot com to reach the show,
like and subscribe, help us continue to build what we're
doing here, including our YouTube channels, which are like accompaniments accomplices,
compliments of what we do. And don't forget This Friday
in the normal episode slot eleven am Eastern in this studio,

(01:58:23):
it's Chuck Mindenhall returning with the boys. Yeah to hit
us with a pregame preview UFC three twelve edition brought
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Speaker 1 (01:58:45):
And draft King what about drafting draft Kings.

Speaker 6 (01:58:48):
You know that's where a great place to do phenomenal
sports betting.

Speaker 1 (01:58:51):
The crown is yours.

Speaker 2 (01:58:52):
There, It is right there all right, Long Island, Luke,
thank you for your service in the show today.

Speaker 1 (01:58:58):
You'll be here Friday, right, yea, come forward to it
all right.

Speaker 2 (01:59:00):
Hopefully we'll hear from your dad maybe because it's the
cards in Australia.

Speaker 7 (01:59:04):
I actually told him that yesterday. I saw him this
weekend and he had zero interest.

Speaker 6 (01:59:08):
Your dad is from We're in Australia, Melbourne, Melbourne, Melbourne, Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:59:13):
Yeah for Ken, our sound guy.

Speaker 1 (01:59:15):
We love Ken right when he's sober, which is rare.

Speaker 2 (01:59:20):
Shout out to everybody in the Deer, everybody working on
the show.

Speaker 1 (01:59:23):
And this is a true story. Ye would not stop
farting in the elevator. We have we had to have
an intervention. We're like, in the Deer, please stop farting
in the elevator.

Speaker 2 (01:59:30):
So the non shitting bathroom which is still out of order. Yeah,
and you know anytime an executive around here is like
you guys, got got a hunch, and I'm like, Luke Thomas,
you think it could be in the deer?

Speaker 6 (01:59:40):
Could it be in the deer? The deer was daring me.
He was like, would you go take a dump in
the sink and appropriate.

Speaker 2 (01:59:47):
Mister shop please? All right, worst pain of everyone's life.
All right, that's it. We can't do it anymore. Thanks
so much, guys. We'll be back on Friday. Check us
out this week on our own channels and take care
of yourself.

Speaker 10 (01:59:57):
Peace.

Speaker 1 (01:59:57):
We out of here.

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