March 7, 2024 • 58 mins
Listen in as Tansy shares her insightful thoughts and questions about how we can be conditioned by others to believe what may or may not be in agreement with our own personal truth.
Embark on an exploration of the delicate interplay between spirituality and Catholicism. We confront the possibilities of blending traditional religious beliefs with modern spiritual practices, questioning if tarot cards and crystals have a place alongside the divine. Our candid discussion peels back layers of fear and conditioning, inviting you to consider whether faith and intuition can intertwine without conflict.
Tansy and I offer insights into retraining the brain for positivity and emotional well-being. We also celebrate the memory of those who've passed, suggesting that joy can be found in remembrance, transcending the sorrow often associated with what many see as loss.
Concluding our exchange, Tansy and I share the concept of co-creating our reality with a higher power coupled with an emphasis on intentional thinking. Join us for a session that promises to shift perspectives, turning daily setbacks into opportunities for personal evolution and a deeper appreciation for the journey of life.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Welcome to the Mystical Truths podcast.
This is Rebecca and I'm reallyglad you're here.
Let's unlock your world.
In this episode, I'll betalking with Tansy Brooker.
Tansy has studied some tarotwith me.
She recently attended theIntuition Development series I
taught on Zoom.
She's smart, she's curious andshe's one of my favorite humans,
(00:28):
so I'm happy to have her on theshow.
It sounds like I just sold youinto like a dating show.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
That's sort of like an intro to a dating show and
Tansy is single right now.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
If any of you, welcome to the show, keep me in
mind.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Thank you, what an introduction.
So you have some questions.
You have some things on yourmind.
I have a lot.
Yeah, I do.
I feel like every time I talkto you there's a lot of
interesting topics andconversations every time and
what you say always sticks withme and then, of course, I think
(01:04):
about it and then I have like,wait a second, is this how this
works?
Or I always think of morequestions.
I think right now, but this timeof year I have a few questions
about like I was raised Catholicand I feel like as long as I've
known you and really just aslong as I've kind of like
(01:28):
transitioned into like the moreadult phase of my life, of this
conflict of you know beingCatholic, believing in God, you
know like just religious andthen being spiritual, and you
know kind of using more of likea logical thinking, of like
science-based and evidence-basedthinking and you know,
(01:52):
obviously talking with you andhaving you know just like the
universe and like greaterintelligence, and I always feel
so conflicted and then,especially being a parent with
Bryson, of like I was raisedCatholic, I'm raising him
Catholic, I'm sending him to CCD.
It's our favorite time of year,it's Lent, you know.
So we're not eating meat onFridays and I feel like, with
(02:16):
God, okay, we believe God, webelieve in greater intelligence,
we believe in the universeplanting this, and then it leads
into all those other stuff,like tarot.
So it's like if you wanted tobelieve in both, could there be
a way like God doing things?
Yeah, I did some tarot with you.
It's super interesting, I loveit.
(02:37):
It's a way to get some guidance.
And you know, being Catholic,like my mom, it's like those are
so bad, so bad devil, badvoodoo, bad juju, whatever you
want to call it, and it's likeone.
I agree with you, where there'sno evil, there's no devil,
there's no anything to be scaredof, especially, you know, with
(02:59):
these like taboo topics for,like some of the religious
people.
But could it be?
It's like, well, we want tobelieve that God's doing this.
Well, could God be the one thatthose cards like that's?
You know what I mean withcrystals.
Like God made Christ, if Godmade the universe of God, made
earth, then God made crystals.
(03:20):
So maybe, if this amethystmakes you calm, couldn't God
have made this amethyst, knowingthat it could help calm people?
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Well, it's really funny that people could think
otherwise, because if we trulybelieve that source or God or
whatever word we want to give,that created and is creating
everything that we know of, howcould that be otherwise?
If God creates a crystal,there's purpose to it and
there's variety that's createdbecause we want to have
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different interests.
We want to have differentdesires.
You know, if we all came hereand did the same thing and
wanted the same thing, how couldeternity be eternal?
We'd be thinking the samethings.
There would be no new stuffthought up or done.
And you know, my brother usedto have a t-shirt.
He's very smart and when wewere I don't know, maybe
(04:11):
teenagers, maybe a littleyounger he had this t-shirt that
said I refuse to have a battleof the wits with an unarmed
person.
And I loved that because Ithought that really makes sense,
especially like with tarot,what you just said about tarot.
How can anybody that has neverstudied tarot truly talk about
(04:33):
it?
and have an opinion about it,because if you really study
tarot, you would find outthere's nothing bad in it.
It's all just teachings of howlife works, the motions that we
go through in life.
There's no bad cards in thedeck.
It's a really wonderful way tolearn how life unfolds and how
(04:54):
we can navigate and utilize theguidance that's available to us.
But if somebody just hears fromtheir church or whatever that
tarot is bad, well they justassume that must be true, and
especially in the Catholicreligion, because fear is
injected early, it's taughtdeeply, you know, just like.
(05:15):
I know your dad hasn't been tochurch for a long time, but he
still cannot bring himself toeat meat on Friday during lunch
because it's so grained into him.
Every religion has really goodstuff at its core but if we're
being honest and we really lookat it, they've taken the good
idea and put control and fearand crap all over it and
(05:41):
oftentimes we start conditioningchildren very young.
I remember somebody saying hewas like in second grade when
the nuns came in or whatever.
They were talking about thedevil and hell and it just
traumatized him yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
I mean, I'm a grown adult, I'm 30 years old and I
still, I mean, as long as I'veknown you, I've been so
interested, like I've said, likethe tarot and just the
spiritual, just understandinghow the world works and, like
you said, just like eternal lifeand all these beautiful,
beautiful things.
And you know, my first questionhad to be God because, like you
(06:21):
said, like my mom, first of all, extremely Catholic CCD teacher
, the whole nine there's stillthis part of me that is actually
traumatized, petrified,whatever word you want to use
scared, that like what if thereis a God?
What if I go to hell for notbelieving?
And then I have to try to like,almost like, trick my brain
(06:45):
into like well, yeah, like tarotspine, there's nothing bad in
it and you know God is leadingit, or these crystals are cool
and well, god, made of muscle,and I still have to find a way
to like bring God into it.
Because I'm so scared of likewhat if you know?
What if I'm wrong?
What if there is a hell?
And I go there because you knowI did what up, like I, I did
(07:10):
tarot cards or I did this orthat, like there's, there's a
spear there and I can't seem toshake it, no matter how old I
get, which is kind of crazy tosay out loud, but definitely
what I find myself doing, evenlike subconsciously sometimes
I've met a lot of people thatcall themselves recovering
Catholics, and what they mean bythat is these things were
(07:31):
instilled in my brain for solong, starting at an early age.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
I'm having a hard time untangling that, because
you get to a point where youthink okay, so if God loves
everyone and has createdeveryone, how could it be that
God created crap that God nowdoesn't like and is, why has
this one angel that's powerfulenough to do things that God
(07:58):
says you shouldn't do and holdsouls when we wait a minute,
god's all powerful.
Well, if God's all powerful,then how's that angel getting
away with that?
And why would God say yes,you're bad, so sorry, you go
there and I'll just forget aboutyou, but wait, god's all loving
.
You can see how, in theseteachings, people have been
(08:23):
taught judgment.
God loves everybody except thatperson and that person and that
person.
God created everything exceptthat, that, that and that.
And if you do what we say andyou follow the rules that we
have put together, then you'regoing to be forever loved and
adored.
But if you go against any ofthe things that we've decided
(08:43):
just we, we've decided, becausethere are other groups that have
decided other things that aredifferent than what we've
decided.
So who's right?
And that's something that youknow.
Early on I was going todifferent churches.
We were Presbyterian, but therewere Catholic churches and
Greek churches and Methodistsall around and so I was curious.
So I would go with my friendsand I would sit and I would
listen and I would think isanybody really paying attention
(09:07):
to what they're saying here?
Because it doesn't really makesense.
And then you go to anotherchurch and they have a similar
basis but different roles, andthere's nine choirs of angels in
this religion, there's twelvein this one.
And I'm thinking who is right?
And so early on I reallystarted to question what is
(09:32):
really true here, because wecan't say there are nine choirs
or there are twelve and becorrect, because those are two
different numbers and we can'treally say God loves everyone
but we'll damn those to hell.
And people say things like whensomebody dies, well, god takes
(09:52):
the good ones.
That didn't make any sense to me, and so I thought there has to
be more to this and this is whatwe're experiencing now on a
grander scale is people werequestioning and going hold on a
minute.
What we've just beenregurgitating for years, we're
realizing now doesn't make sense.
We have scientific proof behindthe things that I'm teaching,
(10:16):
if you go to.
Vatican City, you'll notice thatthere's not much about Jesus
there.
There's a whole lot of wealthand items from all different
points on the planet, differentreligions.
It's all facade and I'm notsaying that people shouldn't go
along with what they feel goodabout in religion.
If it lights up for you, if itfeels good for you, by all means
(10:38):
that's part of your journey.
But there are a lot of us thatare going.
We're just paying attention alittle more.
We're not just saying, oh,because you said and because
they've been saying for a while.
I mean, if you look at theBible, even the Bible isn't
accurate.
It's been rewritten andre-translated.
(10:59):
And what happens when somebodytranslates something?
They put their sort of take onit.
This is what I believe it'ssupposed to say and you know
that the story, if I tell you alittle story and you tell
somebody, and you tell somebody,by the time it gets to 20
people, it's a different story.
And so there have been parts ofthe original teachings that were
taken out because people, for along time, have been on this
(11:23):
control thing, this brutementality and control way of
living, and I get where it'ssort of how it evolved to that,
because back in the day, a longtime ago, people didn't.
They wanted answers to certainthings, but they weren't
allowing the correct answers in,and so they were wanting to
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control each other.
They were wanting to answersome of the deeper questions, so
people just came up with somestuff, basically, and said, okay
, well, we believe that there'sa something God.
And when people said, okay, sowhy do bad things happen, though
?
Like why did that person'shusband die and mine didn't?
(12:10):
And they said, well, becauseyou know, god decides when
people die.
And people had questions likewhy do people do bad things and
what do we do about that?
Oh well, there's a devil, see,and if you do bad things, you're
tempted by that devil andyou're going to go live with
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that devil, so don't do badthings.
It was a way to like, kind ofanswer questions that they
really didn't have good enoughanswers to, while wanting to
control the masses.
So we can control all of thesepeople by telling them that
there's this higher power thatwe are connected to.
That we got some answers fromand these are the rules and this
(12:53):
is what happens if you don'tplay along with this and if you
get too out of line.
Well, now you're damned.
And it kind of it looks sort ofclean to people up in a sense,
where they thought, okay, well,we better behave and do what
we're told and not go to hell,not be tempted, and guilt was
(13:17):
seeping in and this fear wasseeping in.
So now people feel guilty aboutyou.
Know, people have been made tofeel guilty about money and
about wealth.
Don't get above your raising,they say.
And so how does that reallymake any sense?
If the church has a massiveamount of money, that's okay and
(13:42):
you should give some of yourmoney to the church.
But don't you have a whole lot?
Don't you prosper?
Well, some of you can.
And how do we take a lot ofmoney from the mafia and say
that's okay when we know fullwell what they're doing?
That went on for years.
(14:02):
There are beautiful churchesright around me.
One down at the bottom of thehill from where I live is
gorgeous.
That was bankrolled by themafia and I'm probably getting
trouble for saying that, buteverybody knows it.
And so those are the thingsthat made me question like, okay
, what are we doing?
You know, I remember a womanthat I knew who was Catholic,
(14:22):
who they all believed that youknow gambling was, you shouldn't
gamble and stuff like that.
She was a bookie.
She was a bookie and I thoughtso how does that work?
When you're at church, youdon't gamble and you be a good
person, but then when you'rehome, you could like be a bookie
and there are other people inthe church that would call
numbers into her.
(14:43):
Now, I don't care if peoplegamble or not, but I'm just
going along with what they said.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
How do?
Speaker 1 (14:50):
we make these rules and then just go.
Well, it doesn't really applyto me or to some of us.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
And I think that's where to like the hypocrisy of
it all, like the I think that'syou know and, like you said,
it's just another thing thatmakes you open your eyes of.
Like my mother, who, obviously,once again, very Catholic we
have.
She has one of her firstcousins, is gay and he has a
(15:18):
partner and he's justoverwhelmingly just a sweet
person and great guy, just kindhearted, all of that.
But we're Catholic and he wasraised Catholic.
And if you ask my mom, you knowhow she feels about gay
marriage or you know the LGBTQIAplus community or anything like
(15:39):
that, well, I'm Catholic and wedon't, we don't agree with that
.
She loves her cousin.
And if you were to say you know, well, what about your cousin?
She always has a differentexcuse well, not, not him, not
him, we're not talking about him.
We're talking about him and it'slike no, if you're talking
about this community and he's amember of that community, he
would be included in that.
(15:59):
But it's almost like no, not me, no, not my family, no, just
over here, like, look over here.
Or yes, no, we're not allowedto do this in the church, but
you know me doing this here andit's and it's just very like you
said.
It's just like this this isn'tlining up, this isn't adding up,
this isn't, this isn't makingsense.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Exactly.
You know we can't really saythen that say, for example, like
you said, being gay is againstthe church, but because I know
this person and I love thisperson, well, it doesn't apply
to them like it's okay, they canbe gay, we just don't.
We'll just try not to talk aboutit and make a big deal out of
it, or if we want to go withthat.
(16:41):
God created and is creatingeveryone.
So what is there?
This God that goes oh crap, didI make that one gay?
Yeah, what did I?
How did I do that?
Like, well, you know that'swrong, so try not to be gay.
Okay, just try not to do that.
That doesn't even make anysense and that's why you know
the things that.
I've studied through the years,make sense, you know, because
(17:04):
the basis of even tarot orspirituality is that, yeah,
there's a source of intelligencethat we can't totally define or
understand at this point, butwe all feel it inside us that
it's there and we're a part ofthat and we, when we connect
with that, what do we feel?
We feel?
Love, unconditional love,really, and acceptance and
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everything.
I've never felt anythingnegative.
I've never felt afraid once.
I started learning enough tonot feel afraid.
So, you know, when you connectwith all of this, there it's all
good, it's all free, loving,it's it's, you know.
You start to understand that,yeah, everybody gets to live
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this life however they choose to, and that's okay.
And if you don't like it, don'tlook at it because it's none of
your business your life is yourown business, you know.
So if somebody, if on theirjourney through this life, they
want to do this for a living andthen do that for a living, and
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then do that for a living andthen do that for a living people
say what's wrong with you?
Can't you find something thatyou like and just stick with it,
when all of creation is saying,sure, sample, that sample, that
sample, that isn't that fun.
Look at all that variety.
You just enjoy yourself.
There's no rule that says youhave to come here and do one
thing.
But then there are other peoplethat come and find something
that they love to do and they doit for their whole adult life.
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There's no problem with thateither.
We get to do this anyway.
We want to.
We're so.
They tell us that we're so freethat we can, and often do,
choose limitation and bondageand suffering and fear.
And what fear and all of thatother stuff says to me is you're
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not really connected with yourGod or your source.
Because the more disconnectedthere's no real disconnection,
but that's just the best word Ican find when we're further away
from our relationship with ourinner self, our inner being, all
of creation, god, the moredistracted we get here in this
world and in all the rules andregulations and baloney that
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people have thought up, the morewe get involved in that and the
more we get distracted by thatand the less we stay connected
with who we really are, the moreuncomfortable it gets, the more
difficult it gets and then westart making up our own goofy
rules, you know, and then wewonder why this doesn't work out
and this doesn't work out, andwhy do I feel uncomfortable?
(19:45):
Why do I feel anxious?
Why am I depressed?
Why am I angry with people orwhy do I try to control people?
You know, people start wonderingall those different things.
That's why.
That's why it's a very simpleanswer.
It's not because life ishappening to any of us, it's not
because train wrecks happen andwhat are you going to do.
It's because we synchronize, wehave free will.
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We're so free that we can comeinto this world of contrast and
just make it painful.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
You gave me a while ago a paper.
What is it?
It's like the emotional scale.
It's like a scale where you goup to different levels.
I feel like, with what you'resaying, with this contrast, and
you wouldn't know how beautifullife was if there wasn't
something to compare it to, in asense.
(20:38):
But I feel like sometimes thatnegative stuff is a lot, I want
to say, stickier.
I love your analogy the highway, when we're cruising, and the
left side is everything we loveand it's beautiful and it's
happiness and it's justeverything great.
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Then in that right lane maybeit's the stuff that makes you
sad and the things that aren'tso great and things we don't
necessarily like as much.
You can cruise back and forthinto those lanes, but I feel
like and you've said before toothe more you spend in that right
lane, the harder it is to pullyourself back into that left
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lane.
There's just more and morepotholes and nails in the road
that are giving you flat tiresand this.
That I feel like the negativestuff it definitely is easier to
stick to.
That was one of my questions too, what I've been focusing with,
and especially in the intuitionclass.
(21:43):
It's a little different thanbeing intuitive, but what you
talked about, that I've beenreally trying to focus on is
almost like retraining my brain,because I myself I feel like I
struggle with depression, Istruggle with anxiety.
Just saying that right there,though, I just caught myself
(22:04):
like I struggle with thesethings Instead of I struggle
with this.
I feel like that, right there,that's keeping you down.
So it's I'm working on, I'mtrying to be more positive and
retraining your brain to getinto that left lane.
But maybe if you had any moretips on just like, like I said,
I feel like the negative can beso sticky and how to kind of
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unstick your souls from the badstuff and get over to the good
stuff more easily, maybe Well,yeah, because it's just habit.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
It's just a habit is a thought you keep thinking.
So if you keep thinkingthoughts that feel better, they
will become your habit.
The negative stuff is just sowe're so quick, we can be so
quick to go for it, and thenagain, and then again, because
it's in our face.
It's usually more dramatic andit's a habit.
But the good stuff and the, theconnection with yourself and
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with life, is way, way, way, waybetter and just as habit
forming and can be your go to.
So what I would suggest is,instead of saying I'm trying to
be more positive and I'm oftenin the opposite lane that I want
to be in say to yourself I ambeing more positive, I'm not
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trying to, I am being morepositive and I don't suffer from
depression and anxiety.
Sometimes I get depressed andsometimes I have anxiety.
Do you see the relief in that?
When you say, you say you andwe've been taught to use those
words.
I suffer from this, I sufferfrom that.
Well, now you own it and nowyou're dragging it with you
everywhere you go and you'regoing to keep running into it.
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And for everybody out there.
The two lane analogy is I'll gojust run through it quickly and
it doesn't matter which lane isthe positive one and the
negative one.
Usually, when I teach it, theright lane is the nice, happy
lane and the left lane is thecrappy lane.
It doesn't matter which iswhich In your mind, it just has
to make sense Basically you're,you're a born of swirling ball
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of energy and you're going downthis lane of life no gas pedal,
no steering wheel.
What dictates where you're aton this road is what you're
giving your attention to, whatyou believe, what you expect,
what you talk about, the storyyou tell all of that.
So you're born in the happylane.
One side is everything you loveand want, just you specifically
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, because that's different forall of us.
The other lane is all the stuffyou don't like and you don't
want.
Both lanes were intended to bethere.
We wanted both lanes.
We still want both lanes.
They're both useful.
Neither one is truly somethingyou shouldn't experience, but
the happy lane, the good feelinglane, is the one you want to be
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in most often, because you livein a world of contrast.
Something's going to get yourattention and at that moment
you're gliding over into theunwanted lane.
So when you're in the unwantedlane, you get unwanted things
and the longer you stay there,the harder it becomes, and the
more of it you get.
So the more negativity you talkabout.
(25:06):
The more you look at, evenwatch TV shows that are negative
or scary or whatever, the moreyou're giving your attention to
anything that could be in thatlane, the more you're getting of
it.
Because when you put your brainon a thought for 16 to 17
seconds, something like thatthought is now another thought
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like it is being created andanother thought like it, and
when you get to around the 68seconds, the unseeable things in
your energy field are startingto move in that direction and
things are being created thatequal that 68 seconds.
So, and I guarantee you mostpeople, when they get up in the
morning, by the time they getout of bed and head to the
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bathroom, we'll say they'vealready thought two or three,
four or five minutes of thingsthat aren't going to help them
that day and then they just goon with it and go on with it.
So they're already in the leftlane or the right lane,
whichever they're in the unhappylane.
So it's okay to catch yourselfin that unhappy lane the
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undesirables, the not wantedJust say to yourself oh, I'm in
there, okay, now I know what Iwant to think about.
Now I know the opposite or thealternative that I can think
about, and so I'm just going togo ahead and think about that
stuff because I can control mythoughts, like I can think on
purpose.
So the more you do that, theeasier it becomes and the more
(26:35):
it becomes your new nature.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
I was having a conversation with my dad.
He, my uncle Tom, had passedaway and now it's his little
brother.
You know he still thinks abouthim a lot, and you'll catch him
talking about him and then he'llbring up, he'll be like.
You know, she doesn't get tiredIf anyone dies.
It's like a, it's a celebration, and isn't that?
(26:59):
Isn't that just absurd that Idon't like that.
She thinks that because, youknow, I, I miss him and I'm sad
and and and it's.
It's almost like, in that youknow bad lane, like like you
said, it's it's like you'restuck there and it's like he
can't even think of the opposite, to get over into another lane,
(27:20):
and it's like he, he wants tobe sad and I tell him I'm like
but what in that?
You know what a great way tolive, though, and isn't that so
nice, um?
Isn't that just such a nice wayto live that you know we think
of the good things and you thinkabout you know what made you
happy with your brother, and youthink about him being happy now
(27:43):
, and you know he's not sad, youknow he's, he's great and and
you know he's here and you knowyou can, and he thinks that's
absolutely right.
Every day is oh, yeah, he'shere, oh, and I can talk to him.
I'm like, oh, but you can, andhe's talking with you.
The fact that you're eventhinking about him, you know is,
is what I believe is him beinghere with you.
(28:05):
Like you know, you don't justrandomly thinking up and a
reason either.
You know, and they mean, likeyou guys are, you guys are still
connected and um, but I feel, Ifeel like sometimes it's just
so.
It's just such a contract thatpeople struggle with and it's
almost like you're taught to besad.
You have to be sad and kind ofthinking the opposite of that,
(28:29):
of no, it's okay to, we can sellit.
I, I that's one thing I admireabout you the most, too is like
no, we, I celebrate life.
You'll never be sad that youknow I'm not here or what this.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
In this physical being, in this physical realm,
I'm not, I'm not here because,you know, in the non physical
we're always and I I can'tremember exactly what you said
it's like part of us focuses inthis physical part, but there's
so much of us like elsewhere andwe're always around and it's
really, it's beautiful and it'shappy and we shouldn't have to
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be sad, and I try to explainthat to them, but you know,
again, he's been conditioned notjust by the church but by other
people, that that's how wehonor somebody and it's almost
like a martyr kind of a thing,where if we miss them and we're
sad and we remember the goodtimes and that makes us more sad
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because they're not here, we're, we're sort of, you know, we're
loving them, we're showing howmuch love we had, and it's not a
conscious thing, I think.
It's like a background thoughtthat we've just.
It's just like a tape that runsback there.
And if we would just realize,does he really think that Tommy
is still alive and in spirit,wanting him to be depressed and
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upset and sad?
Does he really think thatthat's what Tommy wants for him?
And I know for sure, if yourdad had passed and Tommy was
still here, or any of us, you,your brother, your dad would he
wouldn't do it now.
So we know he certainlywouldn't do it after he passes
because he's, we're all more inour full self at that point.
None of the negativity is there.
You know your dad would bewanting joy and happiness and
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adventure and love for you.
He would want you to go on hewould not want you to suffer
because he is no longerphysically here.
He would not want that for you,and that's true with everybody.
So how do we honor the personthat we knew here, that we love?
We remember the good times, wecelebrate the life that they had
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, even if we didn't agree withall of it, even if it wasn't as
pretty as it could have been.
So people say, you know, so itwas tough, so we could look at
anybody and say, oh well, youcould have done better.
That's not true.
We can't live through somebodyelse's perspective.
We're all doing the best we canwith what's in us at any given
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moment and that's alwayschanging.
And that's how you get to aplace of non-judgment.
We're all free to do thisjourney However we want to.
It's not wrong, but it's oftenvery different than how that
person would see it and how thatperson would have done it and
whatever.
So when we recognize that, yeah, this person had a life and I
loved him and I can celebratethe fact that that happened.
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I celebrate what I thinkhappened, like he's dead and
gone and blah blah.
Why give attention to that whenI can celebrate the time that
we did spend together here andthe fun that we had, and then
wish him well, whatever he's upto now, and just honor that love
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and celebrate what was and whatstill is?
Actually, because you're rightat that, when we're celebrating
that and we're recognizing, Idon't know, am I thinking of you
because you thought of me first, because he can do that.
He's not even a he right.
So that's of course.
That's why we think of them,because they're thinking of us.
They're directing their energyour way, but they're not going
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to come and burn a bush and sayhere I am, please be happy.
They're sending that thought allthe time.
But they're not going tointerfere to that extent because
there's a process we have hereand we're just.
We can be stubborn people andyour dad is stubborn.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
All right.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
He's very lovable, but he's stubborn, and so, you
know, we can lock ourselves intouncomfortableness, into lack of
freedom, lack of all kinds ofthings, just because we think
that's how it is.
We'll say, well, this is myreality, see, and all of
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creation is saying, yeah, butyou know, you're free, you are
allowed to think any way youwant to.
And it does make a difference.
And we do have scientific proof.
Now we put electrodes on thebrain, we do chemistry and
hormone tests to see what isactually happening when people
think in the unhappy lane andwhen people think in the happy
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lane.
What's the difference?
What's happening inside thebody?
And we see such difference inhow the brain is firing and
where the brain is firing andwhat's happening with the
hormones and the chemistry ofthe body.
We see it, it's provable andit's been for a while now.
So that's why I like to get theword out, because I do like I
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follow what feels true to me,but I like the scientific proof
too Well.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
I have a question about that too, when we were
talking about the depression andthe anxiety.
So depression, because the onething my guy says all the time
which also gets me going is if Isay, you know, I'm depressed,
I'm working on depression,whatever I'm struggling with,
however I say it and he goeswhat do you have to be depressed
about?
And oh, that just brands mygear, says it's just like, it's
(34:07):
not like.
Oh, this one thing made me sadand now I'm sad.
It's just, you know, and ifyou're in therapy and I have a
therapist and a PCP and allthese doctors, they tell you
that the depression is achemical imbalance in your brain
.
So it's not this thing that madeyou sad, but it's my brain is
different.
There's this, you know, maybeyou need a pill to balance the
(34:29):
salad or whatever, butsupposedly you know depression,
anxiety, these things.
It's a chemical imbalance inyour brain and it's just, my
brain is different than yourbrain.
So if depression is a chemicalimbalance, is there?
Is it really just easy to thinkof things in the happy lane and
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get over to the happy lane, oris my brain different and maybe
I need a medication or maybe Ineed something to give me the
chemicals that you know make mehappier, like what is?
Can it be both?
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Well, my opinion, according to what I've learned
and of course I'm not a medicaldoctor, so I wouldn't tell
anybody to take or not take amedication but what I can tell
you is, yes, we can prove thatyour brain, your structure, your
stuff will change the more youthink about depressing things.
And again, it takes time.
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This doesn't happen right offthe bat when you're born.
So brains are different in thatsense, because you've stayed in
that unhappy lane more.
You've just paid attention tothings, you've been taught
things, you've been ingrainedwith ways of thinking that are
against your true nature.
And when that happens, yes,your body changes, but that
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doesn't mean you were meant tobe like that, or you came in
born different and just wired tobe depressed.
We all have it in us to be atleast good, gooder, goodest, and
we vary, we wobble around inall this, and this is why we
have to understand too, withthese two lanes, the undesirable
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lane is a welcome lane.
We can't be looking at thethings we don't like or we don't
want, or we think we didn'tinvite into our lives, and
calling them bad and whoa is me,it happened to me and what the
hell?
We have to be willing to saywhere's the honey in this,
though I don't like it.
I don't have to like it and I'mcertainly not staying here, but
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I am right in the middle ofsome stuff that I don't like,
and that's why I tell people ifyou're depressed, okay, be
depressed.
Say to yourself okay, right nowI'm depressed, I don't suffer
from depression.
Right now I'm depressed.
There's relief in that, becauseotherwise you're going.
I'm depressed, oh damn it, Ishouldn't be.
What am I going to do?
What am I going to do?
I'm depressed.
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It's my brain.
I can't help it.
There's no power in that.
That feels terrible, and itshould, because it's not true.
When something feels bad,sources not agreeing.
So when you think, okay, I don'thave a different brain because
I'm just born that way.
I have a different brain fornow, maybe because I've just
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been taught to stay in thatunhappy lane a lot, and I've
been taught that whoa is me andshit happens.
What are you going to do?
And all of that stuff that somany people talk about and so
many people give their attentionto.
No wonder we have so manypeople medicated.
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We start kids, we do it to kidsRight.
So instead and we're gettingsmarter about this because we're
starting to introduce it intoschools mindfulness we're
finally starting to help theyoung ones just get in touch
with themselves and just spendsome minutes in calm.
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That way, they're just bringingit home and then go have your
day and then go take your testand then go on the playground
and watch how much less bullyinghappens.
So it's great that we're and Ihope we continue to do this more
and more, and that's why peoplelike me are getting the words
out that we're ready to hear,like you don't have to suffer,
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and that's why that emotionalguidance scale and if anybody
wants it, it's from the Abraham.
Go to Abraham-hickscom.
You'll probably be able to findit on there.
If not, let me know and I'll goget you a copy of it.
But this is straight fromsource and this is where source
or God tells us it's okay.
If you're in, maybe hatred orrage, those who guide us tell us
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we are not going to take youfrom hatred and rage to optimism
in one jump.
It's too big of a jump.
You can't go from being reallyangry or hating to being, you
know, smiley faces and happy,because we've all been there,
We've all been very mad and ifsomebody says, oh, come on, just
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celebrate your life, think ofthe happy, get in that happy
lane, you can't hear those words.
You don't even want to look atthat person.
You can't do it right nowbecause it's too big of a jump.
But you have been there.
You've been the person who saysjust get in that other happy
lane.
You've been that person.
But now, right now, you're themad person, you're the very
angry person.
So source tells us we don't tryto just throw you up into happy
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.
We're smarter than that.
When you're in complete rage,feeling like I just want to just
beat the world up, gives youjust a teeny bit of relief.
Doesn't mean you go do that.
But then you're like okay, nowI'm just, I'm angry.
I'm angry because things aren'tgoing the way I want them to go
.
And then they're going to justsweetly bring you into, maybe,
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discouragement.
Things aren't going the way.
I want them to go because Idon't, life just happens, I
don't have any choices.
And then they'll take you intoblame.
Well, it's not working becauseit's my mother's fault, it's my
father's fault, it's theschool's fault, it's society's,
it's a government's fault.
You start blaming because thatfeels better than putting it on
your shoulders.
Now it's everybody else's fault.
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Now, that's still not correctand it's still not happy.
But you're getting there.
So they'll take you into worryand then into doubt and maybe
into just feeling overwhelmed,into frustration, into some
pessimism, into some hopefulness, into some optimism, then some
positive expectation.
It just goes up from there.
When anybody is maybe feelingworried, think to yourself okay,
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I'm in that undesirable lane atthe moment.
I'm worrying, and actuallyworry is creating.
This is what worry is.
Worry is creating a realitythat you don't want.
That's all that is.
So say I'm worried right now.
This is probably a waste of mytime.
I'm probably creating somethingthat I'm not going to like.
Just saying that alone isgiving you some relief, because
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now you're starting to think oh,that's right, I have control.
I can worry right now, which isgoing to just put more energy
into what I don't want, and I'mgoing to start getting some of
that.
Or I can take the real controlthat I have and I can think a
different thought.
I can go into the what ifs.
Well, what if?
What's something that you worryabout With your, maybe your son
(41:20):
, or your job, or yeah, I meaneverything.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
I feel like I'm worrying a lot.
Definitely my son.
I feel like having a kid isreally having your heart live
outside your body.
You love someone so much.
You want your kid to never haveto cry or feel sad or you just
want absolute joy and perfectionfor their life.
(41:45):
So, yeah, seeing you know, iseveryone going to be nice to
them at school today and arethey going to do well in their
tests?
Are they going to do?
I feel like everything.
You know my son.
He's a big athlete and he lovessports and wrestling season
just ended for us.
But you know, every time he hada match, it's just is he, is he
(42:06):
going to be okay, is he goingto?
Is he going to get hurt?
You want him to win and youwant him to be strong and you
want him to be confident, andyou know just just everything.
Yeah, I feel like I worry aboutevery aspect of his life.
I'm worried about.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
So keep in mind when you worry about him like that
you're not helping him.
You're offering the energy ofworry.
He feels it whether you say thewords or not, and that takes
away some of his confidence,self value and worth, and it's
part of that conditioning.
And so what if?
What if I can look at my sonthe way source looks at my son?
(42:44):
What if it's really helpfulthat he falls down once in a
while?
Speaker 2 (42:51):
What if every?
Speaker 1 (42:52):
time he loses.
It makes him a little smarterabout it, a little more
understanding of how he wants towin.
What if I don't go rescue himall the time?
Because I kind of figured outthe source isn't doing that for
us either, Did you ever noticethat when you're having a real
bad day, that there are noangels or beings or whatever
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that appear around you go.
You know, Tansy, we're justgoing to take this away for you.
You have free will you have allthe guidance is there, but you
have free will not to take it orlisten to it or even believe it
exists, which makes life hard.
So have thoughts instead aboutwhat?
What if Bryson does really welltonight?
What if the ups and downs orthe left lane, the right lane,
(43:37):
the left lane, the right lanethat's helping him grow, it's
helping him know himself better,it's helping him expand.
We want both lanes.
We just don't want to stay andreturn and return and return and
return to the unhappy, theunwanted lane.
But when we worry about peoplewe're assuming they're going to
go in there.
So we're kind of helping themgo in there.
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We're helping them go in theunwanted lane, which isn't
really helping them Right.
It's an assistance to what wedon't want.
Give this energy to your son.
Think to yourself.
I have every bit of confidencethat he is as well guided as we
all are, and then if I help himfind ease because I'm helping
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myself find ease he's going tobe able to navigate this life
better.
He won't kick up things thatare going to be hurtful to him
as often.
He's going to have a smootherride.
But none of us came in herejust to coast.
We came in to get in here andget into the contrast.
We have had experiences that wecan look back on and go.
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Oh God, I can't believe I didthat.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
But didn't that make us?
Speaker 1 (44:46):
wiser.
Didn't that make us more clearabout how we want?
to do things in a better way orin a nicer way or a way that
feels better just to us, youknow.
So this is how we learncompassion and unconditional
love and trust, because whenwe're doubting that things can
go well, we're not trusting theGod that we say loves us and is
(45:10):
guiding us.
If we truly trust creation, ifwe trust the intelligence that
we call source or God, then whywould we ever worry?
What would there be to worryabout?
Because when you have that kindof trust, you know life is
always working out for you, youknow the potential for that is
there and you know that you havefree will and you're calling
the shots.
So I say to myself my life iswhat I say it is, and we've
(45:35):
proven that in science too.
So my life is what I say it is.
So if my life is difficult, ifmy life is depressed, if it's
anxious, yeah, it's because Ikeep saying it is.
But I can say something else.
I can tell a different story,because literally the story that
you tell all of creation byyour thoughts and expectations
(45:56):
is the life that you're going tohave, and you want to always
make it present tense.
So when you're saying he'sdoing well right now I'm more
positive.
Right now I'm having a happierlife, even if it's just a little
bit teeny bit happier.
Every day I'm having a happierlife.
My life is more what I want itto be every day.
(46:19):
This is getting more interestingto watch.
So when you're saying thingslike that, you're feeling it
with your heart, you're thinkingit with your brain.
So now you have brain-heartcoherence working together.
That has so much power in it.
And the funny thing is peopleare already doing that.
It's nothing new.
People were thinking andfeeling things like fear and
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doubt and life isn't working outand the government's crap.
People were feeling it andthinking it.
Do you know how much power isin that?
You know, even when it goes tothe world at large.
Don't worry about this worldand the people on the planet and
the animals and anything else.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
Well, and I feel like , like you said, just like the
world as a whole, us as asociety, us as people, I feel
like we even get stuck.
If you think about thenarrative, like if I were to say
you know, the first few thingsthat come to mind are like the
world is a scary place, likewaiting until you get on into
that world and don't, trust anddon't, and you think of all the
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stuff instead of the world issuch a beautiful place and you
know, sit and look at the snow.
Today I was.
I was looking out the windowand there's just huge clumps of
sun just standing there and it's.
It's just like how beautiful isthis?
But instead of like go buytoilet paper, you're not going
to be able to drive the salt,the roads are bad Instead of
sitting there and being like,wow, the snow is so beautiful
and this can be a beautiful snowday and maybe I can take my son
(47:44):
out and we could do a snowballfight, it's scary and it's oh no
that I've seen so many thingsabout.
Dang groundhog told me springwas coming.
What is this?
This is horrible, and it's likea people.
The world's a scary place andit's like is it or is the world
a beautiful place?
I definitely, like you said, Ifeel like more people we can get
society to say the world issuch a beautiful place Instead
(48:06):
of the world can be a scaryplace.
I wonder where we, where wecould be.
Speaker 1 (48:10):
Yeah, because we're taught you know well.
I mean, you just have to becareful.
The world's a big place, badthings happen, and that variety
is here.
Whether you live it or not isyour choice, and so yes look at
the snow and think this crappysnow, or look at the snow and
see the beauty in the snow.
It's a conscious decision tolive your life more in one lane
(48:30):
than the other, and we have thepower to decide that.
We're the only ones that candecide, and people are deciding
that every day, whether theyrealize it or not.
You know, so there is much morebeauty on this planet.
There's way more happiness, waymore good stuff that's
happening than the unwanted.
But it's a personal decisionwhere you want to focus and what
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you want to call reality.
So it's a, like I said, it's apersonal decision and it's not
wrong however we choose.
If we choose to keep looking atthe negative stuff or the
unwanted stuff, we're freeenough.
That's okay.
But why?
Why do we do that to ourselves?
Why would we want to look atthings that are not going to
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help us?
You have to be conscious enoughto say to yourself you know
what that's not helping me.
That's not helping me.
It's not helping anybody else.
How do I want it to be Again,the world at large.
How would you like this worldto be?
How would you like it to be?
Think about that, because nowyou're putting that energy out
there, and that has power.
But when you're thinking abouthow you don't want it to be,
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you're putting that out there,and that has power too.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
That's another favorite analogy and you'll say
it a lot better than me, butthat's something I recently
changed in my life too is theflat tire, and I was so I didn't
realize.
Until you said that analogy tome, I didn't realize how
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negative I was being, just like,not like even like realizing,
because it was, yes, I got aflat tire.
And then I called my friendKayla and I told her about this
stupid flat tire and Icomplained to her until she went
here and anymore.
And then you know what, I'mstill angry about this and I'm
going to call my friend Jolie,I'm going to tell her can you
believe that I have this flattire?
And then I try to call Kaylaand she didn't really want to
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hear it and I'm going to talk toher earfalls off, then I'm
going to come inside, I'm goingto tell my dad about it and, dad
, I was out there on a half andI retold this negative story of
this flat tire 17 times and youthink that it's, in a way, you
think it's going to help, like Ijust want to bend, I just want
to talk about it because it'sjust so bad.
(50:40):
I just want it and but it's nothelping.
And now it's like okay, I had aflat tire.
Maybe I did send a picture like, huh, look what happened to me
today, but I'm not calling.
I used to be on the phone forhours and hours and hours and I
thought it was making me feelbetter, and now it's like I
refuse to do that anymore.
Speaker 1 (50:58):
Good, because we think, dumping that pain and
that discomfort onto our friends.
We do get a little relief fromthat, but it's a short lived
relief and then we feel terrible, and now our friend feels
terrible too.
So for anybody that hasn't heardthat little story.
It's just an example of how, ifyou get a flat tire, it's not
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logical for us to get out andlook and go oh I have a flat
tire.
And take pictures of it, put iton Facebook, call people over
to look at it, tell people onthe phone and tell them about
your flat tire.
You're going to complain aboutit.
You're just going to standthere and talk about the flat
tire and put it on social mediaand the tire is not getting
fixed.
You can't look at the problemand get a solution.
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The solution is not in the samespace or energy as the problem.
So what do we do?
We get out, we see a flat tire.
We either call somebody thatcan help us fix it.
We fix it ourselves, we get itfixed a flat.
We call AAA, we start walking.
If we have no other alternative, we do something to remedy that
situation.
So why don't we do that witheverything else in life?
(52:02):
Here's something I noticed along time ago.
I would see something, I don'tknow.
Maybe somebody pulled out in anintersection, just zoomed
through the intersection.
It could have killed a lot ofpeople, but luckily it didn't.
You know that kind of thing.
So I find that I would thinkhow I was going to tell that to
people before I even startedtelling it.
Speaker 2 (52:22):
Like look at that just happen.
Speaker 1 (52:23):
And then you find yourself telling the story of
how will that happen, becauseyou know you're going to start
telling people that I can't waitto get home and tell so-and-so
about it and then I tellso-and-so, and all you did was
take one moment that didn't hurtanybody, even if it did, even
if there was an accidentinvolved.
You took one moment and you keptregurgitating it back into your
(52:43):
life, back into your energy,back into what's coming to you,
because, even though it's notrelated to you, you're still in
the energy of bad things thathappen.
Speaker 2 (52:54):
You know.
Speaker 1 (52:55):
For years now I've said to my kids or anybody, when
they go to leave, go to work orhave fun, bye, have fun.
And it wasn't maybe about 10 or11 years ago where I realized
that other people say bye, becareful, all right, I'll see you
later, be careful.
And I mentioned that tosomebody and he said well, I,
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you know, I just there's a lotthat can happen out there.
I want my kids to be safe, so Itell them to be careful and I
said, but you're?
setting them up for danger.
You're programming them tothink that bad things happen and
you must be careful, because itcan happen to you too instead
of just saying, hey, have ahappy day, and then they be bop
along and have a happy day ornot, depending on what they're
(53:37):
thinking and what they're trying.
But at least it gives them thatlittle bit of programming
that's in a positive light,versus look out, the other
shoe's going to drop.
I love that.
What if?
Then?
What if there's not anothershoe that drops?
Because that's what happens whenyou're in the energy of a life
working out for you, when youcan repeat to yourself life is
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always working out for me,there's honey and everything.
Even if I don't like it, if I'mwilling to look for it, there's
honey and everything.
When we're willing to saythings like that, we get curious
about how?
Really, how could this bebetter?
I bet you this could be better,and then you start thinking of
ways that it could be better,which means that's the energy
you're putting out to all of theattractive forces of the
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universe and you're going to getsome versions of that back.
You're going to get someessence of that back into your
life and life just seems to geteasier because it is easier.
And then what happens sometimesis people will have a bad moment
and go oh well, that doesn'twork anyway.
See, I just had a bad thing.
Bad things shouldn't behappening because life's
supposed to be working out forme.
Instead of saying, I don't know, maybe this is life working out
(54:42):
for me too, maybe I'm not offtrack, maybe this is just
something that has some honey init.
I'm just going to be open andmaybe see it.
So I guarantee all of you outthere that if you just find the
ease as often as you can withyourself, with your people, with
your situations, I'm just goingto be easy about this.
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There's honey and everything.
Life is working out well for menow.
If you're willing to say thingslike that to yourself and
repeat them and repeat them, andrepeat them, they show up.
These things show up, lifeshows up that way for you.
Speaker 2 (55:18):
I saw a really great TikTok not too long ago and it
reminds me because you say thatand I definitely try to say that
to myself all the time Life isalways working out for me.
Look at this, it's alwaysworking out.
And I saw this TikTok and itkind of went with that of.
I forget exactly how it wasraised, but it was like you are
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undefeated in the things thatlife has thrown at you.
You have won every battle,anything that you thought you
weren't going to get over.
Look at you, you're here whennext time you're sitting there
like I don't know what I'm goingto do to get through this.
I don't know how I'm going tomake it through this.
Think to yourself you alwayshave, you'll see, undefeated.
(56:01):
And what an accomplishment thatis.
Speaker 1 (56:03):
Right?
Yeah, I totally agree, and ithelps too to think I'm not doing
this life alone.
This is a co-creative process.
I'm co-creating my world, mylife, my personal situations
with God, Source InfiniteIntelligence, whatever you want
to call it, and everyone else,because everything is so well
synchronized.
(56:24):
So it's just it makes adifference between do we want to
have a sad, anxious,worry-filled life?
Because we can, and that's okay.
Nobody's in any trouble forthat.
This is because we're talkingabout unconditional love from
Source or we're just as free todecide on purpose, that I want
(56:47):
to think on purpose and thatlife can work out better for me.
I just didn't know that.
So, now that I know it, what doI want to think about?
Where do I want to give myattention?
How many depressed discussionsdo I want to get into?
How many sad movies do I wantto watch?
How many people do I want tolisten to say, oh, that's a
(57:08):
tragedy, or that person died,that's terrible when a soul
comes in, has a life and leavesthat life.
That's the way it works here.
Well, I think we could go onall day.
Tans, I love talking to you, sowe should do this again.
I know, right, totally, yeah.
So before we sign off, I thinkit would do the world good if we
(57:31):
give a shout out to the man whobrought you into this physical
life, who loves youunconditionally and has nearly
made August 18th a nationalholiday.
Speaker 2 (57:40):
That's his birthday, for anybody else who might not
know that there probably aren'tmany of you what a great person
he is and a shout out to himbecause he was very excited for
us to do this together.
So totally you demand GeorgeBrocker.
Speaker 1 (57:52):
Oh great, thank you, that was awesome, so lots of
love to all of you out there,because isn't fun the best thing
to have?
This has been fun for me andTansy today.
If you have any questions, ifyou have any comments, you can
find me at mysticaltruthscom.
Welcome to the Mystical Truths podcast.
This is Rebecca and I'm reallyglad you're here.
Let's unlock your world.
In this episode, I'll betalking with Tansy Brooker.
Tansy has studied some tarotwith me.
She recently attended theIntuition Development series I
taught on Zoom.
She's smart, she's curious andshe's one of my favorite humans,
(00:28):
so I'm happy to have her on theshow.
It sounds like I just sold youinto like a dating show.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
That's sort of like an intro to a dating show and
Tansy is single right now.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
If any of you, welcome to the show, keep me in
mind.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Thank you, what an introduction.
So you have some questions.
You have some things on yourmind.
I have a lot.
Yeah, I do.
I feel like every time I talkto you there's a lot of
interesting topics andconversations every time and
what you say always sticks withme and then, of course, I think
(01:04):
about it and then I have like,wait a second, is this how this
works?
Or I always think of morequestions.
I think right now, but this timeof year I have a few questions
about like I was raised Catholicand I feel like as long as I've
known you and really just aslong as I've kind of like
(01:28):
transitioned into like the moreadult phase of my life, of this
conflict of you know beingCatholic, believing in God, you
know like just religious andthen being spiritual, and you
know kind of using more of likea logical thinking, of like
science-based and evidence-basedthinking and you know,
(01:52):
obviously talking with you andhaving you know just like the
universe and like greaterintelligence, and I always feel
so conflicted and then,especially being a parent with
Bryson, of like I was raisedCatholic, I'm raising him
Catholic, I'm sending him to CCD.
It's our favorite time of year,it's Lent, you know.
So we're not eating meat onFridays and I feel like, with
(02:16):
God, okay, we believe God, webelieve in greater intelligence,
we believe in the universeplanting this, and then it leads
into all those other stuff,like tarot.
So it's like if you wanted tobelieve in both, could there be
a way like God doing things?
Yeah, I did some tarot with you.
It's super interesting, I loveit.
(02:37):
It's a way to get some guidance.
And you know, being Catholic,like my mom, it's like those are
so bad, so bad devil, badvoodoo, bad juju, whatever you
want to call it, and it's likeone.
I agree with you, where there'sno evil, there's no devil,
there's no anything to be scaredof, especially, you know, with
(02:59):
these like taboo topics for,like some of the religious
people.
But could it be?
It's like, well, we want tobelieve that God's doing this.
Well, could God be the one thatthose cards like that's?
You know what I mean withcrystals.
Like God made Christ, if Godmade the universe of God, made
earth, then God made crystals.
(03:20):
So maybe, if this amethystmakes you calm, couldn't God
have made this amethyst, knowingthat it could help calm people?
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Well, it's really funny that people could think
otherwise, because if we trulybelieve that source or God or
whatever word we want to give,that created and is creating
everything that we know of, howcould that be otherwise?
If God creates a crystal,there's purpose to it and
there's variety that's createdbecause we want to have
(03:51):
different interests.
We want to have differentdesires.
You know, if we all came hereand did the same thing and
wanted the same thing, how couldeternity be eternal?
We'd be thinking the samethings.
There would be no new stuffthought up or done.
And you know, my brother usedto have a t-shirt.
He's very smart and when wewere I don't know, maybe
(04:11):
teenagers, maybe a littleyounger he had this t-shirt that
said I refuse to have a battleof the wits with an unarmed
person.
And I loved that because Ithought that really makes sense,
especially like with tarot,what you just said about tarot.
How can anybody that has neverstudied tarot truly talk about
(04:33):
it?
and have an opinion about it,because if you really study
tarot, you would find outthere's nothing bad in it.
It's all just teachings of howlife works, the motions that we
go through in life.
There's no bad cards in thedeck.
It's a really wonderful way tolearn how life unfolds and how
(04:54):
we can navigate and utilize theguidance that's available to us.
But if somebody just hears fromtheir church or whatever that
tarot is bad, well they justassume that must be true, and
especially in the Catholicreligion, because fear is
injected early, it's taughtdeeply, you know, just like.
(05:15):
I know your dad hasn't been tochurch for a long time, but he
still cannot bring himself toeat meat on Friday during lunch
because it's so grained into him.
Every religion has really goodstuff at its core but if we're
being honest and we really lookat it, they've taken the good
idea and put control and fearand crap all over it and
(05:41):
oftentimes we start conditioningchildren very young.
I remember somebody saying hewas like in second grade when
the nuns came in or whatever.
They were talking about thedevil and hell and it just
traumatized him yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
I mean, I'm a grown adult, I'm 30 years old and I
still, I mean, as long as I'veknown you, I've been so
interested, like I've said, likethe tarot and just the
spiritual, just understandinghow the world works and, like
you said, just like eternal lifeand all these beautiful,
beautiful things.
And you know, my first questionhad to be God because, like you
(06:21):
said, like my mom, first of all, extremely Catholic CCD teacher
, the whole nine there's stillthis part of me that is actually
traumatized, petrified,whatever word you want to use
scared, that like what if thereis a God?
What if I go to hell for notbelieving?
And then I have to try to like,almost like, trick my brain
(06:45):
into like well, yeah, like tarotspine, there's nothing bad in
it and you know God is leadingit, or these crystals are cool
and well, god, made of muscle,and I still have to find a way
to like bring God into it.
Because I'm so scared of likewhat if you know?
What if I'm wrong?
What if there is a hell?
And I go there because you knowI did what up, like I, I did
(07:10):
tarot cards or I did this orthat, like there's, there's a
spear there and I can't seem toshake it, no matter how old I
get, which is kind of crazy tosay out loud, but definitely
what I find myself doing, evenlike subconsciously sometimes
I've met a lot of people thatcall themselves recovering
Catholics, and what they mean bythat is these things were
(07:31):
instilled in my brain for solong, starting at an early age.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
I'm having a hard time untangling that, because
you get to a point where youthink okay, so if God loves
everyone and has createdeveryone, how could it be that
God created crap that God nowdoesn't like and is, why has
this one angel that's powerfulenough to do things that God
(07:58):
says you shouldn't do and holdsouls when we wait a minute,
god's all powerful.
Well, if God's all powerful,then how's that angel getting
away with that?
And why would God say yes,you're bad, so sorry, you go
there and I'll just forget aboutyou, but wait, god's all loving
.
You can see how, in theseteachings, people have been
(08:23):
taught judgment.
God loves everybody except thatperson and that person and that
person.
God created everything exceptthat, that, that and that.
And if you do what we say andyou follow the rules that we
have put together, then you'regoing to be forever loved and
adored.
But if you go against any ofthe things that we've decided
(08:43):
just we, we've decided, becausethere are other groups that have
decided other things that aredifferent than what we've
decided.
So who's right?
And that's something that youknow.
Early on I was going todifferent churches.
We were Presbyterian, but therewere Catholic churches and
Greek churches and Methodistsall around and so I was curious.
So I would go with my friendsand I would sit and I would
listen and I would think isanybody really paying attention
(09:07):
to what they're saying here?
Because it doesn't really makesense.
And then you go to anotherchurch and they have a similar
basis but different roles, andthere's nine choirs of angels in
this religion, there's twelvein this one.
And I'm thinking who is right?
And so early on I reallystarted to question what is
(09:32):
really true here, because wecan't say there are nine choirs
or there are twelve and becorrect, because those are two
different numbers and we can'treally say God loves everyone
but we'll damn those to hell.
And people say things like whensomebody dies, well, god takes
(09:52):
the good ones.
That didn't make any sense to me, and so I thought there has to
be more to this and this is whatwe're experiencing now on a
grander scale is people werequestioning and going hold on a
minute.
What we've just beenregurgitating for years, we're
realizing now doesn't make sense.
We have scientific proof behindthe things that I'm teaching,
(10:16):
if you go to.
Vatican City, you'll notice thatthere's not much about Jesus
there.
There's a whole lot of wealthand items from all different
points on the planet, differentreligions.
It's all facade and I'm notsaying that people shouldn't go
along with what they feel goodabout in religion.
If it lights up for you, if itfeels good for you, by all means
(10:38):
that's part of your journey.
But there are a lot of us thatare going.
We're just paying attention alittle more.
We're not just saying, oh,because you said and because
they've been saying for a while.
I mean, if you look at theBible, even the Bible isn't
accurate.
It's been rewritten andre-translated.
(10:59):
And what happens when somebodytranslates something?
They put their sort of take onit.
This is what I believe it'ssupposed to say and you know
that the story, if I tell you alittle story and you tell
somebody, and you tell somebody,by the time it gets to 20
people, it's a different story.
And so there have been parts ofthe original teachings that were
taken out because people, for along time, have been on this
(11:23):
control thing, this brutementality and control way of
living, and I get where it'ssort of how it evolved to that,
because back in the day, a longtime ago, people didn't.
They wanted answers to certainthings, but they weren't
allowing the correct answers in,and so they were wanting to
(11:45):
control each other.
They were wanting to answersome of the deeper questions, so
people just came up with somestuff, basically, and said, okay
, well, we believe that there'sa something God.
And when people said, okay, sowhy do bad things happen, though
?
Like why did that person'shusband die and mine didn't?
(12:10):
And they said, well, becauseyou know, god decides when
people die.
And people had questions likewhy do people do bad things and
what do we do about that?
Oh well, there's a devil, see,and if you do bad things, you're
tempted by that devil andyou're going to go live with
(12:31):
that devil, so don't do badthings.
It was a way to like, kind ofanswer questions that they
really didn't have good enoughanswers to, while wanting to
control the masses.
So we can control all of thesepeople by telling them that
there's this higher power thatwe are connected to.
That we got some answers fromand these are the rules and this
(12:53):
is what happens if you don'tplay along with this and if you
get too out of line.
Well, now you're damned.
And it kind of it looks sort ofclean to people up in a sense,
where they thought, okay, well,we better behave and do what
we're told and not go to hell,not be tempted, and guilt was
(13:17):
seeping in and this fear wasseeping in.
So now people feel guilty aboutyou.
Know, people have been made tofeel guilty about money and
about wealth.
Don't get above your raising,they say.
And so how does that reallymake any sense?
If the church has a massiveamount of money, that's okay and
(13:42):
you should give some of yourmoney to the church.
But don't you have a whole lot?
Don't you prosper?
Well, some of you can.
And how do we take a lot ofmoney from the mafia and say
that's okay when we know fullwell what they're doing?
That went on for years.
(14:02):
There are beautiful churchesright around me.
One down at the bottom of thehill from where I live is
gorgeous.
That was bankrolled by themafia and I'm probably getting
trouble for saying that, buteverybody knows it.
And so those are the thingsthat made me question like, okay
, what are we doing?
You know, I remember a womanthat I knew who was Catholic,
(14:22):
who they all believed that youknow gambling was, you shouldn't
gamble and stuff like that.
She was a bookie.
She was a bookie and I thoughtso how does that work?
When you're at church, youdon't gamble and you be a good
person, but then when you'rehome, you could like be a bookie
and there are other people inthe church that would call
numbers into her.
(14:43):
Now, I don't care if peoplegamble or not, but I'm just
going along with what they said.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
How do?
Speaker 1 (14:50):
we make these rules and then just go.
Well, it doesn't really applyto me or to some of us.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
And I think that's where to like the hypocrisy of
it all, like the I think that'syou know and, like you said,
it's just another thing thatmakes you open your eyes of.
Like my mother, who, obviously,once again, very Catholic we
have.
She has one of her firstcousins, is gay and he has a
(15:18):
partner and he's justoverwhelmingly just a sweet
person and great guy, just kindhearted, all of that.
But we're Catholic and he wasraised Catholic.
And if you ask my mom, you knowhow she feels about gay
marriage or you know the LGBTQIAplus community or anything like
(15:39):
that, well, I'm Catholic and wedon't, we don't agree with that
.
She loves her cousin.
And if you were to say you know, well, what about your cousin?
She always has a differentexcuse well, not, not him, not
him, we're not talking about him.
We're talking about him and it'slike no, if you're talking
about this community and he's amember of that community, he
would be included in that.
(15:59):
But it's almost like no, not me, no, not my family, no, just
over here, like, look over here.
Or yes, no, we're not allowedto do this in the church, but
you know me doing this here andit's and it's just very like you
said.
It's just like this this isn'tlining up, this isn't adding up,
this isn't, this isn't makingsense.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Exactly.
You know we can't really saythen that say, for example, like
you said, being gay is againstthe church, but because I know
this person and I love thisperson, well, it doesn't apply
to them like it's okay, they canbe gay, we just don't.
We'll just try not to talk aboutit and make a big deal out of
it, or if we want to go withthat.
(16:41):
God created and is creatingeveryone.
So what is there?
This God that goes oh crap, didI make that one gay?
Yeah, what did I?
How did I do that?
Like, well, you know that'swrong, so try not to be gay.
Okay, just try not to do that.
That doesn't even make anysense and that's why you know
the things that.
I've studied through the years,make sense, you know, because
(17:04):
the basis of even tarot orspirituality is that, yeah,
there's a source of intelligencethat we can't totally define or
understand at this point, butwe all feel it inside us that
it's there and we're a part ofthat and we, when we connect
with that, what do we feel?
We feel?
Love, unconditional love,really, and acceptance and
(17:31):
everything.
I've never felt anythingnegative.
I've never felt afraid once.
I started learning enough tonot feel afraid.
So, you know, when you connectwith all of this, there it's all
good, it's all free, loving,it's it's, you know.
You start to understand that,yeah, everybody gets to live
(17:51):
this life however they choose to, and that's okay.
And if you don't like it, don'tlook at it because it's none of
your business your life is yourown business, you know.
So if somebody, if on theirjourney through this life, they
want to do this for a living andthen do that for a living, and
(18:13):
then do that for a living andthen do that for a living people
say what's wrong with you?
Can't you find something thatyou like and just stick with it,
when all of creation is saying,sure, sample, that sample, that
sample, that isn't that fun.
Look at all that variety.
You just enjoy yourself.
There's no rule that says youhave to come here and do one
thing.
But then there are other peoplethat come and find something
that they love to do and they doit for their whole adult life.
(18:37):
There's no problem with thateither.
We get to do this anyway.
We want to.
We're so.
They tell us that we're so freethat we can, and often do,
choose limitation and bondageand suffering and fear.
And what fear and all of thatother stuff says to me is you're
(18:59):
not really connected with yourGod or your source.
Because the more disconnectedthere's no real disconnection,
but that's just the best word Ican find when we're further away
from our relationship with ourinner self, our inner being, all
of creation, god, the moredistracted we get here in this
world and in all the rules andregulations and baloney that
(19:24):
people have thought up, the morewe get involved in that and the
more we get distracted by thatand the less we stay connected
with who we really are, the moreuncomfortable it gets, the more
difficult it gets and then westart making up our own goofy
rules, you know, and then wewonder why this doesn't work out
and this doesn't work out, andwhy do I feel uncomfortable?
(19:45):
Why do I feel anxious?
Why am I depressed?
Why am I angry with people orwhy do I try to control people?
You know, people start wonderingall those different things.
That's why.
That's why it's a very simpleanswer.
It's not because life ishappening to any of us, it's not
because train wrecks happen andwhat are you going to do.
It's because we synchronize, wehave free will.
(20:10):
We're so free that we can comeinto this world of contrast and
just make it painful.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
You gave me a while ago a paper.
What is it?
It's like the emotional scale.
It's like a scale where you goup to different levels.
I feel like, with what you'resaying, with this contrast, and
you wouldn't know how beautifullife was if there wasn't
something to compare it to, in asense.
(20:38):
But I feel like sometimes thatnegative stuff is a lot, I want
to say, stickier.
I love your analogy the highway, when we're cruising, and the
left side is everything we loveand it's beautiful and it's
happiness and it's justeverything great.
(20:58):
Then in that right lane maybeit's the stuff that makes you
sad and the things that aren'tso great and things we don't
necessarily like as much.
You can cruise back and forthinto those lanes, but I feel
like and you've said before toothe more you spend in that right
lane, the harder it is to pullyourself back into that left
(21:22):
lane.
There's just more and morepotholes and nails in the road
that are giving you flat tiresand this.
That I feel like the negativestuff it definitely is easier to
stick to.
That was one of my questions too, what I've been focusing with,
and especially in the intuitionclass.
(21:43):
It's a little different thanbeing intuitive, but what you
talked about, that I've beenreally trying to focus on is
almost like retraining my brain,because I myself I feel like I
struggle with depression, Istruggle with anxiety.
Just saying that right there,though, I just caught myself
(22:04):
like I struggle with thesethings Instead of I struggle
with this.
I feel like that, right there,that's keeping you down.
So it's I'm working on, I'mtrying to be more positive and
retraining your brain to getinto that left lane.
But maybe if you had any moretips on just like, like I said,
I feel like the negative can beso sticky and how to kind of
(22:25):
unstick your souls from the badstuff and get over to the good
stuff more easily, maybe Well,yeah, because it's just habit.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
It's just a habit is a thought you keep thinking.
So if you keep thinkingthoughts that feel better, they
will become your habit.
The negative stuff is just sowe're so quick, we can be so
quick to go for it, and thenagain, and then again, because
it's in our face.
It's usually more dramatic andit's a habit.
But the good stuff and the, theconnection with yourself and
(22:57):
with life, is way, way, way, waybetter and just as habit
forming and can be your go to.
So what I would suggest is,instead of saying I'm trying to
be more positive and I'm oftenin the opposite lane that I want
to be in say to yourself I ambeing more positive, I'm not
(23:18):
trying to, I am being morepositive and I don't suffer from
depression and anxiety.
Sometimes I get depressed andsometimes I have anxiety.
Do you see the relief in that?
When you say, you say you andwe've been taught to use those
words.
I suffer from this, I sufferfrom that.
Well, now you own it and nowyou're dragging it with you
everywhere you go and you'regoing to keep running into it.
(23:40):
And for everybody out there.
The two lane analogy is I'll gojust run through it quickly and
it doesn't matter which lane isthe positive one and the
negative one.
Usually, when I teach it, theright lane is the nice, happy
lane and the left lane is thecrappy lane.
It doesn't matter which iswhich In your mind, it just has
to make sense Basically you're,you're a born of swirling ball
(24:01):
of energy and you're going downthis lane of life no gas pedal,
no steering wheel.
What dictates where you're aton this road is what you're
giving your attention to, whatyou believe, what you expect,
what you talk about, the storyyou tell all of that.
So you're born in the happylane.
One side is everything you loveand want, just you specifically
(24:22):
, because that's different forall of us.
The other lane is all the stuffyou don't like and you don't
want.
Both lanes were intended to bethere.
We wanted both lanes.
We still want both lanes.
They're both useful.
Neither one is truly somethingyou shouldn't experience, but
the happy lane, the good feelinglane, is the one you want to be
(24:45):
in most often, because you livein a world of contrast.
Something's going to get yourattention and at that moment
you're gliding over into theunwanted lane.
So when you're in the unwantedlane, you get unwanted things
and the longer you stay there,the harder it becomes, and the
more of it you get.
So the more negativity you talkabout.
(25:06):
The more you look at, evenwatch TV shows that are negative
or scary or whatever, the moreyou're giving your attention to
anything that could be in thatlane, the more you're getting of
it.
Because when you put your brainon a thought for 16 to 17
seconds, something like thatthought is now another thought
(25:27):
like it is being created andanother thought like it, and
when you get to around the 68seconds, the unseeable things in
your energy field are startingto move in that direction and
things are being created thatequal that 68 seconds.
So, and I guarantee you mostpeople, when they get up in the
morning, by the time they getout of bed and head to the
(25:50):
bathroom, we'll say they'vealready thought two or three,
four or five minutes of thingsthat aren't going to help them
that day and then they just goon with it and go on with it.
So they're already in the leftlane or the right lane,
whichever they're in the unhappylane.
So it's okay to catch yourselfin that unhappy lane the
(26:12):
undesirables, the not wantedJust say to yourself oh, I'm in
there, okay, now I know what Iwant to think about.
Now I know the opposite or thealternative that I can think
about, and so I'm just going togo ahead and think about that
stuff because I can control mythoughts, like I can think on
purpose.
So the more you do that, theeasier it becomes and the more
(26:35):
it becomes your new nature.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
I was having a conversation with my dad.
He, my uncle Tom, had passedaway and now it's his little
brother.
You know he still thinks abouthim a lot, and you'll catch him
talking about him and then he'llbring up, he'll be like.
You know, she doesn't get tiredIf anyone dies.
It's like a, it's a celebration, and isn't that?
(26:59):
Isn't that just absurd that Idon't like that.
She thinks that because, youknow, I, I miss him and I'm sad
and and and it's.
It's almost like, in that youknow bad lane, like like you
said, it's it's like you'restuck there and it's like he
can't even think of the opposite, to get over into another lane,
(27:20):
and it's like he, he wants tobe sad and I tell him I'm like
but what in that?
You know what a great way tolive, though, and isn't that so
nice, um?
Isn't that just such a nice wayto live that you know we think
of the good things and you thinkabout you know what made you
happy with your brother, and youthink about him being happy now
(27:43):
, and you know he's not sad, youknow he's, he's great and and
you know he's here and you knowyou can, and he thinks that's
absolutely right.
Every day is oh, yeah, he'shere, oh, and I can talk to him.
I'm like, oh, but you can, andhe's talking with you.
The fact that you're eventhinking about him, you know is,
is what I believe is him beinghere with you.
(28:05):
Like you know, you don't justrandomly thinking up and a
reason either.
You know, and they mean, likeyou guys are, you guys are still
connected and um, but I feel, Ifeel like sometimes it's just
so.
It's just such a contract thatpeople struggle with and it's
almost like you're taught to besad.
You have to be sad and kind ofthinking the opposite of that,
(28:29):
of no, it's okay to, we can sellit.
I, I that's one thing I admireabout you the most, too is like
no, we, I celebrate life.
You'll never be sad that youknow I'm not here or what this.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
In this physical being, in this physical realm,
I'm not, I'm not here because,you know, in the non physical
we're always and I I can'tremember exactly what you said
it's like part of us focuses inthis physical part, but there's
so much of us like elsewhere andwe're always around and it's
really, it's beautiful and it'shappy and we shouldn't have to
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be sad, and I try to explainthat to them, but you know,
again, he's been conditioned notjust by the church but by other
people, that that's how wehonor somebody and it's almost
like a martyr kind of a thing,where if we miss them and we're
sad and we remember the goodtimes and that makes us more sad
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because they're not here, we're, we're sort of, you know, we're
loving them, we're showing howmuch love we had, and it's not a
conscious thing, I think.
It's like a background thoughtthat we've just.
It's just like a tape that runsback there.
And if we would just realize,does he really think that Tommy
is still alive and in spirit,wanting him to be depressed and
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upset and sad?
Does he really think thatthat's what Tommy wants for him?
And I know for sure, if yourdad had passed and Tommy was
still here, or any of us, you,your brother, your dad would he
wouldn't do it now.
So we know he certainlywouldn't do it after he passes
because he's, we're all more inour full self at that point.
None of the negativity is there.
You know your dad would bewanting joy and happiness and
(30:10):
adventure and love for you.
He would want you to go on hewould not want you to suffer
because he is no longerphysically here.
He would not want that for you,and that's true with everybody.
So how do we honor the personthat we knew here, that we love?
We remember the good times, wecelebrate the life that they had
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, even if we didn't agree withall of it, even if it wasn't as
pretty as it could have been.
So people say, you know, so itwas tough, so we could look at
anybody and say, oh well, youcould have done better.
That's not true.
We can't live through somebodyelse's perspective.
We're all doing the best we canwith what's in us at any given
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moment and that's alwayschanging.
And that's how you get to aplace of non-judgment.
We're all free to do thisjourney However we want to.
It's not wrong, but it's oftenvery different than how that
person would see it and how thatperson would have done it and
whatever.
So when we recognize that, yeah, this person had a life and I
loved him and I can celebratethe fact that that happened.
(31:21):
I celebrate what I thinkhappened, like he's dead and
gone and blah blah.
Why give attention to that whenI can celebrate the time that
we did spend together here andthe fun that we had, and then
wish him well, whatever he's upto now, and just honor that love
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and celebrate what was and whatstill is?
Actually, because you're rightat that, when we're celebrating
that and we're recognizing, Idon't know, am I thinking of you
because you thought of me first, because he can do that.
He's not even a he right.
So that's of course.
That's why we think of them,because they're thinking of us.
They're directing their energyour way, but they're not going
(32:04):
to come and burn a bush and sayhere I am, please be happy.
They're sending that thought allthe time.
But they're not going tointerfere to that extent because
there's a process we have hereand we're just.
We can be stubborn people andyour dad is stubborn.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
All right.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
He's very lovable, but he's stubborn, and so, you
know, we can lock ourselves intouncomfortableness, into lack of
freedom, lack of all kinds ofthings, just because we think
that's how it is.
We'll say, well, this is myreality, see, and all of
(32:53):
creation is saying, yeah, butyou know, you're free, you are
allowed to think any way youwant to.
And it does make a difference.
And we do have scientific proof.
Now we put electrodes on thebrain, we do chemistry and
hormone tests to see what isactually happening when people
think in the unhappy lane andwhen people think in the happy
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lane.
What's the difference?
What's happening inside thebody?
And we see such difference inhow the brain is firing and
where the brain is firing andwhat's happening with the
hormones and the chemistry ofthe body.
We see it, it's provable andit's been for a while now.
So that's why I like to get theword out, because I do like I
(33:38):
follow what feels true to me,but I like the scientific proof
too Well.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
I have a question about that too, when we were
talking about the depression andthe anxiety.
So depression, because the onething my guy says all the time
which also gets me going is if Isay, you know, I'm depressed,
I'm working on depression,whatever I'm struggling with,
however I say it and he goeswhat do you have to be depressed
about?
And oh, that just brands mygear, says it's just like, it's
(34:07):
not like.
Oh, this one thing made me sadand now I'm sad.
It's just, you know, and ifyou're in therapy and I have a
therapist and a PCP and allthese doctors, they tell you
that the depression is achemical imbalance in your brain
.
So it's not this thing that madeyou sad, but it's my brain is
different.
There's this, you know, maybeyou need a pill to balance the
(34:29):
salad or whatever, butsupposedly you know depression,
anxiety, these things.
It's a chemical imbalance inyour brain and it's just, my
brain is different than yourbrain.
So if depression is a chemicalimbalance, is there?
Is it really just easy to thinkof things in the happy lane and
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get over to the happy lane, oris my brain different and maybe
I need a medication or maybe Ineed something to give me the
chemicals that you know make mehappier, like what is?
Can it be both?
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Well, my opinion, according to what I've learned
and of course I'm not a medicaldoctor, so I wouldn't tell
anybody to take or not take amedication but what I can tell
you is, yes, we can prove thatyour brain, your structure, your
stuff will change the more youthink about depressing things.
And again, it takes time.
(35:23):
This doesn't happen right offthe bat when you're born.
So brains are different in thatsense, because you've stayed in
that unhappy lane more.
You've just paid attention tothings, you've been taught
things, you've been ingrainedwith ways of thinking that are
against your true nature.
And when that happens, yes,your body changes, but that
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doesn't mean you were meant tobe like that, or you came in
born different and just wired tobe depressed.
We all have it in us to be atleast good, gooder, goodest, and
we vary, we wobble around inall this, and this is why we
have to understand too, withthese two lanes, the undesirable
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lane is a welcome lane.
We can't be looking at thethings we don't like or we don't
want, or we think we didn'tinvite into our lives, and
calling them bad and whoa is me,it happened to me and what the
hell?
We have to be willing to saywhere's the honey in this,
though I don't like it.
I don't have to like it and I'mcertainly not staying here, but
(36:26):
I am right in the middle ofsome stuff that I don't like,
and that's why I tell people ifyou're depressed, okay, be
depressed.
Say to yourself okay, right nowI'm depressed, I don't suffer
from depression.
Right now I'm depressed.
There's relief in that, becauseotherwise you're going.
I'm depressed, oh damn it, Ishouldn't be.
What am I going to do?
What am I going to do?
I'm depressed.
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It's my brain.
I can't help it.
There's no power in that.
That feels terrible, and itshould, because it's not true.
When something feels bad,sources not agreeing.
So when you think, okay, I don'thave a different brain because
I'm just born that way.
I have a different brain fornow, maybe because I've just
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been taught to stay in thatunhappy lane a lot, and I've
been taught that whoa is me andshit happens.
What are you going to do?
And all of that stuff that somany people talk about and so
many people give their attentionto.
No wonder we have so manypeople medicated.
(37:30):
We start kids, we do it to kidsRight.
So instead and we're gettingsmarter about this because we're
starting to introduce it intoschools mindfulness we're
finally starting to help theyoung ones just get in touch
with themselves and just spendsome minutes in calm.
(37:51):
That way, they're just bringingit home and then go have your
day and then go take your testand then go on the playground
and watch how much less bullyinghappens.
So it's great that we're and Ihope we continue to do this more
and more, and that's why peoplelike me are getting the words
out that we're ready to hear,like you don't have to suffer,
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and that's why that emotionalguidance scale and if anybody
wants it, it's from the Abraham.
Go to Abraham-hickscom.
You'll probably be able to findit on there.
If not, let me know and I'll goget you a copy of it.
But this is straight fromsource and this is where source
or God tells us it's okay.
If you're in, maybe hatred orrage, those who guide us tell us
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we are not going to take youfrom hatred and rage to optimism
in one jump.
It's too big of a jump.
You can't go from being reallyangry or hating to being, you
know, smiley faces and happy,because we've all been there,
We've all been very mad and ifsomebody says, oh, come on, just
(39:04):
celebrate your life, think ofthe happy, get in that happy
lane, you can't hear those words.
You don't even want to look atthat person.
You can't do it right nowbecause it's too big of a jump.
But you have been there.
You've been the person who saysjust get in that other happy
lane.
You've been that person.
But now, right now, you're themad person, you're the very
angry person.
So source tells us we don't tryto just throw you up into happy
(39:27):
.
We're smarter than that.
When you're in complete rage,feeling like I just want to just
beat the world up, gives youjust a teeny bit of relief.
Doesn't mean you go do that.
But then you're like okay, nowI'm just, I'm angry.
I'm angry because things aren'tgoing the way I want them to go
.
And then they're going to justsweetly bring you into, maybe,
(39:50):
discouragement.
Things aren't going the way.
I want them to go because Idon't, life just happens, I
don't have any choices.
And then they'll take you intoblame.
Well, it's not working becauseit's my mother's fault, it's my
father's fault, it's theschool's fault, it's society's,
it's a government's fault.
You start blaming because thatfeels better than putting it on
your shoulders.
Now it's everybody else's fault.
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Now, that's still not correctand it's still not happy.
But you're getting there.
So they'll take you into worryand then into doubt and maybe
into just feeling overwhelmed,into frustration, into some
pessimism, into some hopefulness, into some optimism, then some
positive expectation.
It just goes up from there.
When anybody is maybe feelingworried, think to yourself okay,
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I'm in that undesirable lane atthe moment.
I'm worrying, and actuallyworry is creating.
This is what worry is.
Worry is creating a realitythat you don't want.
That's all that is.
So say I'm worried right now.
This is probably a waste of mytime.
I'm probably creating somethingthat I'm not going to like.
Just saying that alone isgiving you some relief, because
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now you're starting to think oh,that's right, I have control.
I can worry right now, which isgoing to just put more energy
into what I don't want, and I'mgoing to start getting some of
that.
Or I can take the real controlthat I have and I can think a
different thought.
I can go into the what ifs.
Well, what if?
What's something that you worryabout With your, maybe your son
(41:20):
, or your job, or yeah, I meaneverything.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
I feel like I'm worrying a lot.
Definitely my son.
I feel like having a kid isreally having your heart live
outside your body.
You love someone so much.
You want your kid to never haveto cry or feel sad or you just
want absolute joy and perfectionfor their life.
(41:45):
So, yeah, seeing you know, iseveryone going to be nice to
them at school today and arethey going to do well in their
tests?
Are they going to do?
I feel like everything.
You know my son.
He's a big athlete and he lovessports and wrestling season
just ended for us.
But you know, every time he hada match, it's just is he, is he
(42:06):
going to be okay, is he goingto?
Is he going to get hurt?
You want him to win and youwant him to be strong and you
want him to be confident, andyou know just just everything.
Yeah, I feel like I worry aboutevery aspect of his life.
I'm worried about.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
So keep in mind when you worry about him like that
you're not helping him.
You're offering the energy ofworry.
He feels it whether you say thewords or not, and that takes
away some of his confidence,self value and worth, and it's
part of that conditioning.
And so what if?
What if I can look at my sonthe way source looks at my son?
(42:44):
What if it's really helpfulthat he falls down once in a
while?
Speaker 2 (42:51):
What if every?
Speaker 1 (42:52):
time he loses.
It makes him a little smarterabout it, a little more
understanding of how he wants towin.
What if I don't go rescue himall the time?
Because I kind of figured outthe source isn't doing that for
us either, Did you ever noticethat when you're having a real
bad day, that there are noangels or beings or whatever
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that appear around you go.
You know, Tansy, we're justgoing to take this away for you.
You have free will you have allthe guidance is there, but you
have free will not to take it orlisten to it or even believe it
exists, which makes life hard.
So have thoughts instead aboutwhat?
What if Bryson does really welltonight?
What if the ups and downs orthe left lane, the right lane,
(43:37):
the left lane, the right lanethat's helping him grow, it's
helping him know himself better,it's helping him expand.
We want both lanes.
We just don't want to stay andreturn and return and return and
return to the unhappy, theunwanted lane.
But when we worry about peoplewe're assuming they're going to
go in there.
So we're kind of helping themgo in there.
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We're helping them go in theunwanted lane, which isn't
really helping them Right.
It's an assistance to what wedon't want.
Give this energy to your son.
Think to yourself.
I have every bit of confidencethat he is as well guided as we
all are, and then if I help himfind ease because I'm helping
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myself find ease he's going tobe able to navigate this life
better.
He won't kick up things thatare going to be hurtful to him
as often.
He's going to have a smootherride.
But none of us came in herejust to coast.
We came in to get in here andget into the contrast.
We have had experiences that wecan look back on and go.
(44:43):
Oh God, I can't believe I didthat.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
But didn't that make us?
Speaker 1 (44:46):
wiser.
Didn't that make us more clearabout how we want?
to do things in a better way orin a nicer way or a way that
feels better just to us, youknow.
So this is how we learncompassion and unconditional
love and trust, because whenwe're doubting that things can
go well, we're not trusting theGod that we say loves us and is
(45:10):
guiding us.
If we truly trust creation, ifwe trust the intelligence that
we call source or God, then whywould we ever worry?
What would there be to worryabout?
Because when you have that kindof trust, you know life is
always working out for you, youknow the potential for that is
there and you know that you havefree will and you're calling
the shots.
So I say to myself my life iswhat I say it is, and we've
(45:35):
proven that in science too.
So my life is what I say it is.
So if my life is difficult, ifmy life is depressed, if it's
anxious, yeah, it's because Ikeep saying it is.
But I can say something else.
I can tell a different story,because literally the story that
you tell all of creation byyour thoughts and expectations
(45:56):
is the life that you're going tohave, and you want to always
make it present tense.
So when you're saying he'sdoing well right now I'm more
positive.
Right now I'm having a happierlife, even if it's just a little
bit teeny bit happier.
Every day I'm having a happierlife.
My life is more what I want itto be every day.
(46:19):
This is getting more interestingto watch.
So when you're saying thingslike that, you're feeling it
with your heart, you're thinkingit with your brain.
So now you have brain-heartcoherence working together.
That has so much power in it.
And the funny thing is peopleare already doing that.
It's nothing new.
People were thinking andfeeling things like fear and
(46:40):
doubt and life isn't working outand the government's crap.
People were feeling it andthinking it.
Do you know how much power isin that?
You know, even when it goes tothe world at large.
Don't worry about this worldand the people on the planet and
the animals and anything else.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
Well, and I feel like , like you said, just like the
world as a whole, us as asociety, us as people, I feel
like we even get stuck.
If you think about thenarrative, like if I were to say
you know, the first few thingsthat come to mind are like the
world is a scary place, likewaiting until you get on into
that world and don't, trust anddon't, and you think of all the
(47:21):
stuff instead of the world issuch a beautiful place and you
know, sit and look at the snow.
Today I was.
I was looking out the windowand there's just huge clumps of
sun just standing there and it's.
It's just like how beautiful isthis?
But instead of like go buytoilet paper, you're not going
to be able to drive the salt,the roads are bad Instead of
sitting there and being like,wow, the snow is so beautiful
and this can be a beautiful snowday and maybe I can take my son
(47:44):
out and we could do a snowballfight, it's scary and it's oh no
that I've seen so many thingsabout.
Dang groundhog told me springwas coming.
What is this?
This is horrible, and it's likea people.
The world's a scary place andit's like is it or is the world
a beautiful place?
I definitely, like you said, Ifeel like more people we can get
society to say the world issuch a beautiful place Instead
(48:06):
of the world can be a scaryplace.
I wonder where we, where wecould be.
Speaker 1 (48:10):
Yeah, because we're taught you know well.
I mean, you just have to becareful.
The world's a big place, badthings happen, and that variety
is here.
Whether you live it or not isyour choice, and so yes look at
the snow and think this crappysnow, or look at the snow and
see the beauty in the snow.
It's a conscious decision tolive your life more in one lane
(48:30):
than the other, and we have thepower to decide that.
We're the only ones that candecide, and people are deciding
that every day, whether theyrealize it or not.
You know, so there is much morebeauty on this planet.
There's way more happiness, waymore good stuff that's
happening than the unwanted.
But it's a personal decisionwhere you want to focus and what
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you want to call reality.
So it's a, like I said, it's apersonal decision and it's not
wrong however we choose.
If we choose to keep looking atthe negative stuff or the
unwanted stuff, we're freeenough.
That's okay.
But why?
Why do we do that to ourselves?
Why would we want to look atthings that are not going to
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help us?
You have to be conscious enoughto say to yourself you know
what that's not helping me.
That's not helping me.
It's not helping anybody else.
How do I want it to be Again,the world at large.
How would you like this worldto be?
How would you like it to be?
Think about that, because nowyou're putting that energy out
there, and that has power.
But when you're thinking abouthow you don't want it to be,
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you're putting that out there,and that has power too.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
That's another favorite analogy and you'll say
it a lot better than me, butthat's something I recently
changed in my life too is theflat tire, and I was so I didn't
realize.
Until you said that analogy tome, I didn't realize how
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negative I was being, just like,not like even like realizing,
because it was, yes, I got aflat tire.
And then I called my friendKayla and I told her about this
stupid flat tire and Icomplained to her until she went
here and anymore.
And then you know what, I'mstill angry about this and I'm
going to call my friend Jolie,I'm going to tell her can you
believe that I have this flattire?
And then I try to call Kaylaand she didn't really want to
(50:18):
hear it and I'm going to talk toher earfalls off, then I'm
going to come inside, I'm goingto tell my dad about it and, dad
, I was out there on a half andI retold this negative story of
this flat tire 17 times and youthink that it's, in a way, you
think it's going to help, like Ijust want to bend, I just want
to talk about it because it'sjust so bad.
(50:40):
I just want it and but it's nothelping.
And now it's like okay, I had aflat tire.
Maybe I did send a picture like, huh, look what happened to me
today, but I'm not calling.
I used to be on the phone forhours and hours and hours and I
thought it was making me feelbetter, and now it's like I
refuse to do that anymore.
Speaker 1 (50:58):
Good, because we think, dumping that pain and
that discomfort onto our friends.
We do get a little relief fromthat, but it's a short lived
relief and then we feel terrible, and now our friend feels
terrible too.
So for anybody that hasn't heardthat little story.
It's just an example of how, ifyou get a flat tire, it's not
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logical for us to get out andlook and go oh I have a flat
tire.
And take pictures of it, put iton Facebook, call people over
to look at it, tell people onthe phone and tell them about
your flat tire.
You're going to complain aboutit.
You're just going to standthere and talk about the flat
tire and put it on social mediaand the tire is not getting
fixed.
You can't look at the problemand get a solution.
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The solution is not in the samespace or energy as the problem.
So what do we do?
We get out, we see a flat tire.
We either call somebody thatcan help us fix it.
We fix it ourselves, we get itfixed a flat.
We call AAA, we start walking.
If we have no other alternative, we do something to remedy that
situation.
So why don't we do that witheverything else in life?
(52:02):
Here's something I noticed along time ago.
I would see something, I don'tknow.
Maybe somebody pulled out in anintersection, just zoomed
through the intersection.
It could have killed a lot ofpeople, but luckily it didn't.
You know that kind of thing.
So I find that I would thinkhow I was going to tell that to
people before I even startedtelling it.
Speaker 2 (52:22):
Like look at that just happen.
Speaker 1 (52:23):
And then you find yourself telling the story of
how will that happen, becauseyou know you're going to start
telling people that I can't waitto get home and tell so-and-so
about it and then I tellso-and-so, and all you did was
take one moment that didn't hurtanybody, even if it did, even
if there was an accidentinvolved.
You took one moment and you keptregurgitating it back into your
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life, back into your energy,back into what's coming to you,
because, even though it's notrelated to you, you're still in
the energy of bad things thathappen.
Speaker 2 (52:54):
You know.
Speaker 1 (52:55):
For years now I've said to my kids or anybody, when
they go to leave, go to work orhave fun, bye, have fun.
And it wasn't maybe about 10 or11 years ago where I realized
that other people say bye, becareful, all right, I'll see you
later, be careful.
And I mentioned that tosomebody and he said well, I,
(53:16):
you know, I just there's a lotthat can happen out there.
I want my kids to be safe, so Itell them to be careful and I
said, but you're?
setting them up for danger.
You're programming them tothink that bad things happen and
you must be careful, because itcan happen to you too instead
of just saying, hey, have ahappy day, and then they be bop
along and have a happy day ornot, depending on what they're
(53:37):
thinking and what they're trying.
But at least it gives them thatlittle bit of programming
that's in a positive light,versus look out, the other
shoe's going to drop.
I love that.
What if?
Then?
What if there's not anothershoe that drops?
Because that's what happens whenyou're in the energy of a life
working out for you, when youcan repeat to yourself life is
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always working out for me,there's honey and everything.
Even if I don't like it, if I'mwilling to look for it, there's
honey and everything.
When we're willing to saythings like that, we get curious
about how?
Really, how could this bebetter?
I bet you this could be better,and then you start thinking of
ways that it could be better,which means that's the energy
you're putting out to all of theattractive forces of the
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universe and you're going to getsome versions of that back.
You're going to get someessence of that back into your
life and life just seems to geteasier because it is easier.
And then what happens sometimesis people will have a bad moment
and go oh well, that doesn'twork anyway.
See, I just had a bad thing.
Bad things shouldn't behappening because life's
supposed to be working out forme.
Instead of saying, I don't know, maybe this is life working out
(54:42):
for me too, maybe I'm not offtrack, maybe this is just
something that has some honey init.
I'm just going to be open andmaybe see it.
So I guarantee all of you outthere that if you just find the
ease as often as you can withyourself, with your people, with
your situations, I'm just goingto be easy about this.
(55:04):
There's honey and everything.
Life is working out well for menow.
If you're willing to say thingslike that to yourself and
repeat them and repeat them, andrepeat them, they show up.
These things show up, lifeshows up that way for you.
Speaker 2 (55:18):
I saw a really great TikTok not too long ago and it
reminds me because you say thatand I definitely try to say that
to myself all the time Life isalways working out for me.
Look at this, it's alwaysworking out.
And I saw this TikTok and itkind of went with that of.
I forget exactly how it wasraised, but it was like you are
(55:40):
undefeated in the things thatlife has thrown at you.
You have won every battle,anything that you thought you
weren't going to get over.
Look at you, you're here whennext time you're sitting there
like I don't know what I'm goingto do to get through this.
I don't know how I'm going tomake it through this.
Think to yourself you alwayshave, you'll see, undefeated.
(56:01):
And what an accomplishment thatis.
Speaker 1 (56:03):
Right?
Yeah, I totally agree, and ithelps too to think I'm not doing
this life alone.
This is a co-creative process.
I'm co-creating my world, mylife, my personal situations
with God, Source InfiniteIntelligence, whatever you want
to call it, and everyone else,because everything is so well
synchronized.
(56:24):
So it's just it makes adifference between do we want to
have a sad, anxious,worry-filled life?
Because we can, and that's okay.
Nobody's in any trouble forthat.
This is because we're talkingabout unconditional love from
Source or we're just as free todecide on purpose, that I want
(56:47):
to think on purpose and thatlife can work out better for me.
I just didn't know that.
So, now that I know it, what doI want to think about?
Where do I want to give myattention?
How many depressed discussionsdo I want to get into?
How many sad movies do I wantto watch?
How many people do I want tolisten to say, oh, that's a
(57:08):
tragedy, or that person died,that's terrible when a soul
comes in, has a life and leavesthat life.
That's the way it works here.
Well, I think we could go onall day.
Tans, I love talking to you, sowe should do this again.
I know, right, totally, yeah.
So before we sign off, I thinkit would do the world good if we
(57:31):
give a shout out to the man whobrought you into this physical
life, who loves youunconditionally and has nearly
made August 18th a nationalholiday.
Speaker 2 (57:40):
That's his birthday, for anybody else who might not
know that there probably aren'tmany of you what a great person
he is and a shout out to himbecause he was very excited for
us to do this together.
So totally you demand GeorgeBrocker.
Speaker 1 (57:52):
Oh great, thank you, that was awesome, so lots of
love to all of you out there,because isn't fun the best thing
to have?
This has been fun for me andTansy today.
If you have any questions, ifyou have any comments, you can
find me at mysticaltruthscom.
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