November 27, 2024 • 33 mins
Ashy Bines’ three former best friends have reunited following her much publicised friendship breakdown with Kieara Dorrough.
Sarah’s Day has divided the internet after sharing a series of body check selfies, just five weeks after giving birth.
Roxy Jacenko returns from retirement… AND our highs and lows of the week.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
Sophie Torber and coming up on today's show, Sarah's Day
has divided the Internet after sharing a series of jim
selfies just five weeks after giving birth, Roxy Jizenko returns
from retirement and our highs and Lows of the week.
(00:23):
But first, Ashi Bindes' three former best friends walked into
a bar. It sounds like a knock knock joke, but
it actually happened on the weekend with Ashi the punchline.
It's the latest revelation in Ashi's friendship breakdown with Kiara Doro.
Before we get into it, Amy, can you give listeners
a refresher on what's gone down? Yeah. So, the pair
hosted the Grow and Glow podcast together for two years
(00:44):
and they were set to release a new product. However,
on the day of the launch, they revealed that something
suddenly came up and the product was delayed.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Then came the.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Big unfollowing and the announcement in their podcast Facebook group
that Kiara had decided to leave the show to supposedly
on her family. The pair even shared an explanation on
their podcast, and while the stories appeared to match up there,
it was a different story on social media. Yeah, because
Kiara started making digs on her Instagram story, so she
was referring that there was much more to this story.
(01:16):
She said, I can't say much because I'm already losing
so much and don't want to lose anymore. But thank
you and you are all so clever with a winking emoji.
She then went on to post a bunch of cryptic
quotes that threw shade at Ashy, with one referring to
a narcissus. You know shit's going down when the cryptic
quotes start coming out. Very millennial thing to do. I
remember doing this back in twenty fourteen. I haven't done
(01:38):
it for a while now. As She then went into
damage control on her podcast facebook page, saying that she
was shocked by Kiara's behavior, and followers speculated that Kiara
had allegedly been hit with a gag order, as ash
has a reputation for allegedly sending cease and desist letters. Now,
while Kiara may be allegedly restricted in what she can
(01:58):
say publicly, it hasn't stopped her from giving her followers signs.
So on the weekend, Kiara posted a pretty innocuous photo
of three wine glasses and a menu at a restaurant
called Siblings. She didn't tag the diners, but she didn't
have to, as they also posted near identical photos on
their own Instagram stories. So Kiara was having dinner with
(02:20):
none other than ash Bines's former best friends Sammy Leo
and Greddy Rose. I bet they had a lot to
catch up on and notes to compare. I would have
loved to be a fly on the wall at that drink.
It's just such a fuck you to organize a get
together like that. I actually quite like it well as
she Sammy and Gretty. They all used to be best
friends until suddenly they weren't, and follow us have always
(02:41):
wondered what happened between the women. We often get dms
asking can you guys please do a deep dive into
this friendship breakdown. There's so many people who are intrigued
by it, and that is why this is such a
big power play from Kiara. I would love to know
who reached out to who first. It reminds me of
when you break up with someone and you have this
desire to reach out to their exes to compare notes
(03:01):
and see if they did the same weird things. It's
called trauma bonding, Sophie. I wonder if nat Roland is
a little bit dirty that she was left off the
invite list because she is another one of Ashi Bindes's
former best friends, and she recently confirmed that they are
no longer friends and haven't been for a long time.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
You'd be absolutely spewing.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
I'm sure she probably hit them up in their DMS
and was like, can we catch up next week? Let's
do the same sort of social media stories well as
she has retaliated by sharing a photo on Monday of
her hanging out with her school friends over the weekend.
She captured the photo, doesn't matter what I go through
since our teenage days, they are there through it all.
Never once do they ask or expect anything of me.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
So forever grateful.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
What's the bet that these friends haven't heard from her
in months and then suddenly it's like, oh, we've got
the call up to come hang out with. What I
take from the caption is she's implying her former best
friends were taking a lot from her and expecting the world.
I wonder what all their partners think about this, because
I know if I was behaving this way online, my
husband would be like, get off your phone and fucking
grow up.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
See.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
I think Kiara's husband is probably very supportive of it.
Reading between the lines, it sounds like he's just as
mad at Ashy as she is. I don't think there's
a time when you just need to jump off socials
when it's becoming a bit this. I actually love this
because they haven't come out and slammed Ashy binds. They
haven't said anything. All they've done is posted a photo.
It's not just the photo because they've actually all caught up.
So what else have they got in the world. Yeah,
(04:19):
but it actually sends the message that they want to
say more but can't, so they have to go have
a catch up.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
We need to be quick because we're on a baby
time limit.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Self proclaimed holistic health princess Sarah's Day has divided the
Internet after sharing a series of jim selfies five weeks
after giving birth to her third son, Harlowe. Many women
on their own postpartum journeys labeled the post as damaging
and took a fence to Sarah, using it as an
opportunity to spook her pregnancy fitness ebook, Whilst others didn't
(04:49):
see a problem with Sarah sharing about her own experience
now Sophie, it's been a tough couple of weeks for Sarah.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
She's been very.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Vocal about how difficult she has found this newborn experience
because her son, Harlowe, he has been suffering from some
very severe reflux issues, and it's meant that Sarah has
been in the trenches. She's been getting very little sleep,
she's been cluster feeding. Last week, she said she was
going to take some time offline because she explained she
had been struggling with her mental health and admitted that
(05:16):
she had no energy to speak to her community. It's
interesting because she only ended up being offline for around
twenty four hours before she started posting all these body
checks of herself.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Think she probably would have benefited.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
From taking that time offline because it's quite clear that
she's putting a lot of pressure on herself to solve
her son's reflux issues. She's been talking about how she's
been cutting out all these different food groups because she
thinks it's contributing to these issues. She's also been speaking
to a ton of natural paths and trying to figure
out what is going on. Most recently, she took heartlow
to see an osteo to see if maybe the issue
(05:49):
was being caused by a lip tie. And as always,
she's been very open about discussing her son's potential medical concerns,
which some people find really relatable. I know there's been
a lot of followers who have said that they've enjoyed
seeing a realistic experience with a newborn and not someone
glamorizing it. But on the other side of it, she
did promise not to talk about her children's medical conditions
(06:11):
after there was a lot of issues and a lot
of publicity around her second son, Malachi's health concerns. Yeah,
and I found it weird because last night she posted
a pole asking for her followers to vote whether she
should get medical treatment on Harlow's lip tie.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
And I was like, surely this is something you need
to talk to your doctor about a yes no pole.
I mean, I personally think it should remain private.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
I don't think that these things should be aired online,
but others have different opinions. Now, for Sarah, she has
been raring to get back into the gym She is
currently five weeks postpartim and said that she wanted to
ease back into things with a polates class. That's when
alarm bell started ringing for me, because normally you're advised
to wait at least six weeks and have to get
approval from your doctor to exercise. Now, in Sarah's case,
(06:54):
she did mention that her pelvic floor physio, Charlotte Connellan,
had given her the all clear. However, Charlotte is a
business partner and she's also in cahoots with Sarah at
the moment because they have created this pregnancy workout guide
together called Body and Bump, which is what Sarah has
been spooking. So it seems a little bit unethical that
it was Charlotte that gave her all clear.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
It does make it murky. I can see why Sarah
wants to.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Return to the gym, particularly if her mental health is
struggling at the moment. Her whole identity is centered around
exercise and it's clearly an activity that makes her happy
and gets her endorphins going. And in her Instagram story,
she wrote, I could cry. I'm so excited to be
back in one hot polarates class to a workout class
in general. I will go into more detail about this,
(07:39):
but moving my body does so much for my mental
health and emotional regulation and threet my positive headspace. It
really didn't surprise me to see Sarah back in the
gym so early, But what did seem to generate a
huge reaction online was how Sarah looked in her gym selfies.
Before we dive into how she looked, I want to
preface here that this is such a sensitive topic and
(08:01):
I don't think that any postpartum woman's body should be shamed,
whether they've gained weight or they've gone back quickly to
their pre pregnancy weight, because everyone's bodies at the end
of the day are so different, and there are a
lot of women like Sarah who, due to genetics or
the fact that they stayed very active during their pregnancy,
returned very quickly to their pre pregnancy body. So I
(08:21):
don't want anyone to think that we are saying that
there is a right way to be after you give
birth and.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
A wrong way.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
But I don't think anyone was shaming her body. I
think people were saying, she looks incredible, she looks like
she hasn't had a baby, and that is really difficult.
I mean, I'm six months postpartum and I personally found
it really difficult to look at. And I saw a
lot of conversation in our Facebook group. Oh, people are
just jealous. Well, yeah, of course I would.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Like to look like I'd been hitting the gym.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
But when I say shaming, what I mean about it
is that I have spoken to other mums who they
have very much gone quickly back to what they used
to look like, and they haven't actually done anything, They've
just been genetically blessed, and they said that they almost
feel like everyone is making these assertions on them. They're
death flogging themselves at the gym and not putting their
show actually back at the gym five weeks after having
(09:09):
a baby. So I think it's kind of she is
playing into that narrative that she is working out a lot,
but that's my first time working out and she looks
like But there's also a difference between having to share
it all online and shove it down people's Yes, the
body checks because in this video that Sarah put up,
she's wearing light gray bike shorts and a white crop top.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Her abs are very.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Prominent in her photo she's got. Her stomach is like
completely flat, and she was also posing in specific ways
that showed off her body to look thin. Among all
of the photos which many people are referring to as
body checks, she had to point out that she was
only five weeks postpartum and wrote, my previous two postpartum experiences,
I've gone back to workouts as seven and eightish week's postpartum,
(09:50):
but this birth was so different with no tearing, easy pushing,
and I felt.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Physically great now.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Following her visit to the gym, she was inundated with
questions about how she managed to actually make it to
the gym without Harlow. Sarah ended up jumping on her
stories and explained that everything fell into place that morning.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Here's what she said.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
So, the only way I can go anywhere without him
is if I feed just before I leave. But because
he's not on a schedule at all, like he is
five weeks postpartum, and I just feed on demand, Like
sometimes that's every two hours. Sometimes that's like a cluster
feed at like witching hour and he's on my boob
the whole time, or sometimes it's like three hours or
three and a half hours. I have no idea, and
(10:33):
it just so happened that he fed at like six
point thirty this morning, like he just wanted a feed,
and then so I could beat him at nine, put
him on my boob, drained it, and then I rode
my bike up to Poloties and I just made it
like I like got in the class and it had started.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
She then prefaced after this that she's not actually back
at the gym training, but today was about her mental
health and getting forty five minutes to an hour to herself.
It's quite clear people were quite shocked by Sarah's appearance,
because she had to return to her stories again to
provide a further update on what her body looks like
at the moment. So she shared a video, this time
(11:09):
of her shorts rolled down so you could see her
belly from two different angles front on and to the side,
and in the corner, she added a before image of
her seven weeks pregnant at one of her active wear
collection shoots, where she looked absolutely ripped, and in the
caption she wrote, I was seven weeks preggiy here so
not showing, but I was at one of my fittest
before this pregnancy. Thank you for everyone's lovely messages, but
(11:31):
a few things. One, I promise you I still have
a long way to go to regain my core and
ab definition. That is not my goal or not even
in my mind.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
At the moment.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
It's strange that she says it's not a goal or
in her mind at the moment, but she's going ahead
and sharing all of these bodies. It's interesting that she
pointed out that she's not where she wants to be
in a fitness journey and she's still got a long
way to go. And I think that's because she wants
people to buy into the pregnancy fitness plan and see
that there is a transformation. She doesn't want people to
think that she's genetically blessed, and just you know, she's
(12:01):
clicked her fingers and gone back to what she was.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
That's the issue.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
The messaging is so off in all of this, because
she then continued in her post saying two, I did
my body and Bump workout program until the end of
my pregnancy, and then in brackets my most consistent workout
routine and pregnancy yet.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
So she's just continuing to.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Flog the e book. Then she said and three, I
have lost so much of my strength and tone. But
that's okay. Being my third postpartum experience and even just
being thirty two and more mature, I'm in no rush
to get my abs back or look a certain way.
I'm just so happy to be feeling like myself slowly
again and loving my body that has created three beautiful
babies again. There's just so much mixed messaging going on because, Okay,
you can go to the gym for your mental health.
(12:39):
Why are you sharing online? Why are you body checking online?
Do you realize that you're actually affecting.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
The mental health of postpartum women.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
I also think it's quite easy to say that you
love your body and you're super grateful for it when
you look near identical to how you looked before. The
thinking is, she doesn't look near identical. She was extremely
ripped before, well then a standard size six or yeah,
but she still looks like a very thin person that
just might not have the ab definition and the muscle
tone that she once had. Okay, that's going to be
(13:07):
a big change for her. But what really annoyed me
because there was a big conversation in a Facebook group
about it, and people are like, oh, you're just jealous
about her body, and you know, good for her, it's
for a mental health blah blah blah. Okay, that is
completely fine, Sarah. I can go and do whatever she
wants in her own time. That it's her own prerogative.
But when you are trying to pray on vulnerable women
(13:27):
to buy your postpartum ebook, that is the issue.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
That's the thing.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Following these series of videos, she then shared links to
the Black Friday special that she was running for this
pregnancy ebook. And that is what made me feel the
most uncomfortable. I mean from a business perspective, it's the
perfect time to mention it because we've already made all
these postpard and women feel insecure and like they're not
doing enough. So of course they're going to think, well, fuck,
(13:51):
if I want to look like her, I better go
and spend one hundred dollars on this e But what
makes it more apparent that it is just to push
to sell this ebook is it is not in line
with what she's currently been sharing. So last week she said,
I'm going on a hiatus. I do not have the
energy or time to focus on even putting.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Content out there.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
However, a couple of days later in the lead up
to Black Friday, she's at the gym, she's found time
to start flogging her ebook. It doesn't line up because
she is actually having a really difficult time. She clearly
is struggling with her mental health, and I think that
is why a lot of people are trying to see
the best and say, well, I think she's doing it
for her mental health. But when you really do look
(14:30):
at the strategy around trying to push this book in
the Black Friday sales, I also think that we need
to remember that this is very concerning and potentially damaging
behavior because these types of promotions are almost shaming post
pardon women into not feeling enough and then encouraging them
to rush back into exercise when their bodies have not
properly killed yet. But the reality is she may be
(14:51):
doing it for her mental health. Cool share that you're
at the gym, but don't post the fucking body checks
the whole time. It just makes people feel like posting
the fact that she is it the gym five weeks
postpartum is damaging because her job is to influence people,
and there'd be a lot of women that are have
just had a baby and are like shit, I haven't
even thought of going the gym. I mean, I'm six
(15:12):
months postpartum. I used to exercise regularly before I was pregnant.
I have not done one workout and when I saw that,
I was like, shit, am I just being lazy? I
mean I am struggling to work, look after my baby,
run a house, like have a social life, and then
I'm thinking, oh shit, maybe I should be exercising as well.
Like posts definitely did a lista a huge response from
(15:33):
our Facebook community, and I have to say the comments
were pretty divided. There were a lot of women who
like uk to going through their postpartum journeys, and they
commented saying that they found the post very damaging and upsetting.
So one listener wrote, as someone who had.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
A baby a few days before her, this is so.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Frustrating, making me do some serious eye rolling. I'm still
having outfit meltdowns every day when I go to get dressed,
so to see this is pretty annoy It's literally genetics. God,
I could not relate more to that meltdown about outfits.
Another listener said, as a woman with prolapse, this absolutely
enrages me. It's irresponsible and it not only sets unrealistic
(16:11):
expectations for postpart and women. It also puts pressure on
women to push themselves at the risk of prolapse and
other issues because they see influencers doing things like this
and thinking it'll be fine. Another listener said, I get
that everyone is different, but I don't think one person
watching feels good after watching those stories and inevitably comparing baby.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Or not now.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
On the other side, there were some listeners that didn't
see an issue with her posts, saying she was simply
sharing her experience. One listener wrote, I don't see anything
wrong with this. Her mental health isn't great at the moment,
so I say good on her for doing something for
her that's going to help her. I see zero gloating
here nor education. She's just saying she is doing what
works for her, whilst another said she's been posting about
(16:55):
how her mental health has been impacted by this third baby.
If she's been given the all to exercise, good for her.
If that's what she wants to do, and if that's
what makes her feel better, great. She's not telling anyone
what to do. She's sharing her experience. But don't people
understand that as an influencer sharing her experience, she's influencing
people to do what she does. I can kind of
(17:16):
see what they're saying, because I think people feel uncomfortable
to criticize her actions, particularly because she's going through a
difficult time at the moment, and clearly exercise is something
that helps people's mental health. And they're saying, look, she's
learned her lesson because she's not sitting there saying, hey, everyone,
you should be doing this.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
But then in a way she's telling of her book.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
I would like to know how many of the people
who commented positive things about it have actually had a baby. Well,
there were a few that said, you know, I'm on
my postpartum journey and I've seen no issue with it. Obviously,
everyone is going to have a different opinion on it,
and I think that everyone is welcome to that opinion.
But I think that postpartum women are also allowed to
share that it made them really upset. I mean, I
saw a woman crying on TikTok saying that she has
(17:59):
been working so ht to lose weight and eating right,
and then she sees Sarah's day post that five weeks
after having a baby, and it was just so demoralizing
and yes, of course people will say, don't compare yourself,
unfollow that person, but that's actually not really realistic because
even if you unfollow someone, the way the algorithm works
is gonna pop up in your feet and don't you
(18:20):
think as well, it's like this thing of the way
your brain works. Like you might think, oh, that's so
toxic and that's gross, but then you're kind of envious
and think, oh, well, I'd actually love to have that body,
and it starts to get in your head on maybe
I should be doing this. Like for me, I'm like, oh,
maybe I should be doing some workouts while I'm pregnant,
And I'm like, no, I shouldn't do that. Well, I mean,
it's not unsafe to work out during prey. It's actually
(18:42):
more workouts than I'm doing it. I mean, which zero,
I'm not postpart of a lovely walk down, and then
I'm not postpartum or pregnant, and it made me think.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Fuck, look at her body.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
I want to work out, like, isn't it It's terrible? Yeah,
And that's the thing we all know deep down that
it's not realistic, But that's not how social media works.
It preys on you when you're feeling vulnerable, and that's
what it's done here. And what makes it worse is
that she knows what she's doing, because she's got the
hook of a postpartum guide at the end of it.
The first time she's been criticized for something like this
as well, And I think that's what has pissed a
(19:12):
lot of people off, is that she has a history
of doing this.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
I think she hasn't learned.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
I think what would really demonstrate the impact that her
posts have had on people is how many people signed
up that day for her ebook.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
I'd be very interested to know those stats.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
So you're back in the PR Housewifery was not for me.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Roxy Desenco is officially back the PR. Queen has returned
to public relations after sensationally quitting her company Sweaty.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Betty two years ago.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Roxy labeled the decision to quit as a midlife crisis,
and recently revealed on the Lazy CEO podcast that life
as a housewife was boring.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Let's have a listen to what she said.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
I'm no good on the washing machine, I'm on the
hospital corners for bed in your housewive times, What did
I do? I shopped and shopped. It's the fucking most
boring ring existence. Remember I worked since I was fourteen, ye,
so I was bored.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Yeah, I left.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
I went to Singapore, suntanned, eight drunk, put eighteen kilos on.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Do we really believe that she didn't have a housekeeper
in Singapore. I think she did. Considering she said she
shopped and shopped and shopped. I can't really imagine Roxy
making the beds and doing the washing. I'm envious of
her because Singapore would be such a fun place to
go shopping every day.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Ye, But it would get boring, it would.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Be unfulfilling, particularly if you've had this very successful career beforehand,
which has come back with guns blazing, because she has
made the claim that in the last two years since
she's been away, no one has taken her place in
the PR world because they weren't willing to take the
risks and push the boundaries like her, And she said
that that is what has given her her competitive edge
(20:47):
over the last eighteen years, a bit of a bold
statement after the PR nightmare that she was embroiled.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Recently with the house giveaway.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Well, let's have a listen to what Roxy said has
made her such a good PR.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
Guru, treated the business of the customers as my own.
Because of that, I did well. I made serious fucking money.
But now everyone's safe and concerned and so politically correct.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
I didn't give a fuck what you think about me.
Cancel culture is so big.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
I mean, I haven't canceled five hundred times.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Yes, you can't get Hey, I'm the queen of reinvention.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Dog. I love it.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
I love it.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Yeah, the poster girl for it. You can think of
big PR firms in Melbourne and Sydney, but they're not
necessarily centered around an individual like Roxy the way that
she is touted as being this PR queen, and she's
really the face of the business. We don't see too
many companies run like that anymore. Yeah, I mean, and
Roxy's right. She has been canceled a number of times
for different things she has said, but she continues to
(21:46):
lend big clients because people just love how blunt is.
I mean, I listened to this interview and I was like, fuck,
she's done wrong in the past, but she is hilarious,
and she also has a reputation of someone who will
get the job done no matter to one of her
live shows when I was working at another PR firm
right before we started our business Amy and I remember
(22:06):
hearing that she has a rule that she has to
apply to an email within a couple of hours, and
that's the same rule that she applies to her staff.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
And it's that.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Persistence and consistency. I think that helps her attract business
and keep business. See I'm wondering did she want to
return or was forced to return, because when all of
that drama broke around the house competition, it sounded like
she took a very big hit financially, particularly having to
refund all of those customers their entrant. Well, she did
joke on the podcast that she spent all of her money,
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so I think there was a little bit of truth
to the fact that she is having to return for
financial reasons. And it will be interesting to see Kate
in terms of the scandal that we've recently seen unfold
with that housing lottery competition, whether that will affect her
reputation and whether brands will trust work. She's already had
huge clients like Stax and Mermaid Hair return to Sweat,
(23:00):
but it called them huge brands. I mean, Sack is huge,
Sax is a very successful active wear brand, but I
wouldn't say Mermaid Hair.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Does she have a financial stake in Mermaid Hair?
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Yeah, because they sponsor Pixie, I feel like she must
have something to do with them. I mean, Sax is
a big brand in Australia, but the way she talks,
you would have thought that maybe there were some international
brands coming in a way, particularly because she's been living
in Singapore. The brands make sense because she's a lifestyle agency.
There is a large lifestyle brands. I'm interested in hearing
that she thinks that her PR business is going to
(23:34):
be bigger than Ministry of Talent because if anything like
from having a PR business, The way the PR is
going is everything is moving to influencers, everything is moving
to paid content. Mainstream media is dying. So it's quite
an interesting strategy that she's putting more of her attention
into PR. It's funny you say that because she took
a stab at some of her PR competitors and she
said that PR agencies these days are putting too much
(23:57):
focus on just sending product to influence, and I actually
agree with it. She said that influencers should not be
the be all an Angel and the issue is yeah,
and the issue is that everyone's an influencer these days.
And she said, if you look into the stats, they're
not selling as much product as they used to, and
that more agencies should be focusing on traditional media like TV,
(24:18):
radio and print, and that's what we tend to do
with our clients. So I also saw Sam Mengnan, who
runs Spin and Co. Which is another successful PR firm,
sharing that same sentiment around influencer marketing. He said, because
the influencer space is so oversaturated and it's the wild
West at the moment, the people are paying all this
money for really no return. So I'm really fascinated in
(24:38):
particular to see what ROXY does in the mainstream media.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
With brands like Stax.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
And also Mermaider, we predominantly have built a following and
got an exposure through influencer marketing. Because if you think
about Stacks, they are always doing influencer collaborations. That's the
only way I heard about their brand. It sounds like
she's coming in for quality control over their influences. Let's
get into our highs and low of the week and Amy,
we're dying to talk about your pregnancy.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
This has been a long kept secret. Now, Yeah, it's.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Been really frustrating because I've wanted to say for so
long on the podcast that I am pregnant, especially when
we do our highs and lows, because I've had so
many funny things that have popped up during blood tests
or ultrasounds that I've wanted to discuss.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
But yes, I.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Officially let everybody know last week that I was pregnant. Well,
I've known for two months now because you broke the
news to me on the podcast. People might have seen
the clip we posted on our Instagram, and I had
no fucking idea because you've been telling me I've got
my period and.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
I've got to pretend.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Don't you want that sort of surprise because I'm nineteen
weeks this week. Yeah, I can't leave you that far
along because now that I've got something to compare it to,
Like I was seventeen weeks pregnant at your wedding. It
felt so far along the way, but I think you've
seen further back. Because you hadn't announced it, it was like
a secret. Also because you wear baggy clothes, so we
only copped a look at the bump really today before
(25:56):
we recorded this episode. I've sort of popped this week
at the nineteen week mark, so I have a bone
to pick with you. Yeah, I'm a little bit sad
that Sophie was the first out of us to find
it out because I was on maternity leave. You could
have waited until I was bad.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
So the reality is the first people I told all
Dale and I told were our like my mum and
dad and his mum and his poppy. And we did
it that weekend before I told Sophie in the podcast recording,
people will have seen and I tried to invite you
along to this event and You're like, I can't come,
I don't have time, blah blah blah, and I'm just
gonna tell pper no. But then I was going to
(26:32):
invite you as well. I was going to tell everyone
at we should have planned it seemed, you know, when
it seems so obvious, and I wanted it to be
a surprise. So I thought, look, it's going to be
too hard to get Kate to come down to this
podcast recording. I'm just going to surprise her in a
separate way. So I did it a few days later,
and I gave you this baby outfit for Jack that said,
my Auntie's got my best friend baking in her stomach
(26:55):
or something like that.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
So I have to put your reaction up on the US.
It's so glamorous as well.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
In that we are going to go so do I
look terrible? We are going to go into more detail
in our subscriber episode about your pregnancy, which I'm really excited.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
To get into.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Yeah, maybe I should share one of my loads of
the week though, from when I was getting all those
pregnancy tests, because there were two that stood out. One
was the fact that you do have to give a
urine sample, and despite needing to go to the toilet constantly,
for some reason, my bladder was not actually allowing me
to do any urine in the cup when I had
to provide it.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Is that because you went five times before you left
the house.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
No, I was drinking so much water in the car
I had stage right and I had to come back
in with this like pitiful amount of urine. I was like,
the worst bit is when you drink too much water
and it's too diluted. It's just like clear now. So
if you were back from your honeymoon and Port Douglas,
we were enjoying the vlogs. I did give Brandon a
little bit of stick, saying that he needed to get
more involved.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Yeah, so these are TikTok vlogs.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
I feel like I've got to finish them off because
I've only done four days. So maybe if more people
start watching them, have to finish them all.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
I want to see them.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
But anyway, I am the biggest fan of Port Douglas.
I'm trying to convince everyone to go. They're with me
for a group holiday next. It is incredible. It is
stunning there. It feels like you were in Hawaii, but
still in Australia. We hired a car and we were
able to go from our resort to the little town there.
I became best friends with a woman who runs the
(28:20):
gift shop there. Oh my god, it is called I
think it's with Sugar or something Sugars.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
It's oh my god. I bought the whole shop like
she loves you.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Yeah, it is just Port Douglas is such a beautiful
place to go. Yeah, you kept telling us, You're like,
I've decided that we're going to all do a big
family holiday there, and I was like, how much is
the accommodation?
Speaker 2 (28:38):
You mentioned that bad I think we'd.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Go overseas those prices paying for it?
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Would I pay for you guys to come with me?
I don't.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
I think it was pretty on par with what you
pay to go to a resort. It was stunning, Like fuck,
I wish I was still there.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
It was so nice.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
My love of the week was an incident that happened
at Cannes Airport. Now, my husband is a bit of
an anxious traveler, even when it's interstate.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
He always looks.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Suspicious at airports just because he's worried about everything getting.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Through, like the process.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Having traveled to Bali with him, I've never actually had
bags checked on the way back, like into Australia. But
he looked so nervous. It looked like we had like
ten tons of wood in our blood.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
And he's literally like.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Squeaky clean, like you know, he's like a school prefect
type vibes like never do anything wrong, like And so
we were going through, you know when they.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Had the scanners and you just walk through. This time
they had the body scan.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Yeah, you had to hold up like I literally felt
like I was getting a faked hand doing all these
different movements. Anyway, I went through no trouble. He then
goes through and gets pulled aside and the man said
to him. He said something like, oh, do you want
to go back here or can you take that? There
was some discussion and Brandon thought that the man was
asking him to take his shirt off, so he proceeded
(29:53):
to try and take his shirt off, and the mass like, no, no,
no, no no, I just wanted to pat you down because
you've showed up on the scan. I think just because
you're sweating, so poor thing. Brandon was sweating through nerves
from God through security almost took your shirt off in
front of it. Was it was quite the ordeal. I
am not surprised. I mean, but surely a lot of
people would be sweating in Can's airports. Oh it was
(30:13):
bloody hot that everyone kept telling me, oh, fuck, you're
going to boil port.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Douglas is so hot.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
It was like thirty two degrees every day, but a
different type of thirty two.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
It was so human, but it was really nice.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Well, my high of the week is that we have
finalized our Christmas series which will start airing next week,
and I'm so excited to finally.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Share these interviews with you.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
So they are interviews with some of our favorite influencers,
and they're not just about Christmas, but about things in general.
We have asked some very interesting questions. I feel like
the Daily Mail need to listen because I'm sure they're
going to write some articles off what we have learned from.
There's a lot of influences behind the scenes, Goss. There's
a lot of different opinions that these influences have given
us on different scandals over the past years. So they
(30:57):
really are mustless an episode. We really did go there
and be honest, I was surprised that some of these
influencers actually agreed to be on our podcast because a
lot of influencers have blocked us in the past. Now,
my low of the week is I sat down very
excited to watch a Christmas movie. You had the tree
set up and it was top rated on Netflix. It's
got Chad Michael Murray in it, and it's about this
(31:18):
pub who put on a male review so like a strip.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Yeah, I saw this ad. I thought this was meant
to be a good man. I thought everyone was saying how.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Good it was. It's fucking terrible. Reese actually said, can
we please turn it off?
Speaker 2 (31:29):
It's pissing, but make it better.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
I'm not surprise, he hated. And the advertisement was literally
just like a riped Chad Michael Murray stripping, Like I
don't think it's supposed to have a good plot. Okay,
watch it and tell me what you think, because I
couldn't handle it either, because I got to a point
where I said to Reese, I didn't realize how bad
at acting Chad Michael.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
May Hey, he's not bad at acting.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
It was probably just the fucking crap script. Free Christmas
movie is bad though. I feel like, especially the new
Netflix one, it's kind of like.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
The theme of these new Christmas movies.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Yeah, pain, low budget and low rent. Every one of
those movies starts with that the successful person is single
and then they have to go spend Christmas at home
with their parents, and that is literally they're going home
every single one and then they fall in love with
someone at that there.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
What's wrong with that?
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Like, everyone needs a bit of joy for Christmas.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
I want to watch the Holiday. Have you guys seen that?
Speaker 1 (32:20):
I sank to Brandon because I said, I think it's
Holly from Mum and mea. She does this really cute
thing with her family where they write down all of
the Christmas movies that they want to watch. They put
them in a jar, and then each weekend they pick
out a new one. And I said, I want to
watch the holiday brand's like watching those.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Seen that before? Well, what was the other one?
Speaker 1 (32:38):
He didn't He didn't want to watch love actually as well,
So maybe I'll have to have a girl's movie then.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
So I couldn't deal with that because.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
My favorite Christmas movies are the English Christmas movie es. Well,
that's what we've got time for today. Thank you for
listening to another episode of Outspoken Don't Forget. If you
want to hear all about Amy's pregnancy news, then subscribe
to Outspoken Plus because we're doing.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
A deep dive on there tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
This podcast was recorded on the traditional land of the
Ghana people of the Adelaide Plains. Will pay respect to
elders past and present.
Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
Sophie Torber and coming up on today's show, Sarah's Day
has divided the Internet after sharing a series of jim
selfies just five weeks after giving birth, Roxy Jizenko returns
from retirement and our highs and Lows of the week.
(00:23):
But first, Ashi Bindes' three former best friends walked into
a bar. It sounds like a knock knock joke, but
it actually happened on the weekend with Ashi the punchline.
It's the latest revelation in Ashi's friendship breakdown with Kiara Doro.
Before we get into it, Amy, can you give listeners
a refresher on what's gone down? Yeah. So, the pair
hosted the Grow and Glow podcast together for two years
(00:44):
and they were set to release a new product. However,
on the day of the launch, they revealed that something
suddenly came up and the product was delayed.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Then came the.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Big unfollowing and the announcement in their podcast Facebook group
that Kiara had decided to leave the show to supposedly
on her family. The pair even shared an explanation on
their podcast, and while the stories appeared to match up there,
it was a different story on social media. Yeah, because
Kiara started making digs on her Instagram story, so she
was referring that there was much more to this story.
(01:16):
She said, I can't say much because I'm already losing
so much and don't want to lose anymore. But thank
you and you are all so clever with a winking emoji.
She then went on to post a bunch of cryptic
quotes that threw shade at Ashy, with one referring to
a narcissus. You know shit's going down when the cryptic
quotes start coming out. Very millennial thing to do. I
remember doing this back in twenty fourteen. I haven't done
(01:38):
it for a while now. As She then went into
damage control on her podcast facebook page, saying that she
was shocked by Kiara's behavior, and followers speculated that Kiara
had allegedly been hit with a gag order, as ash
has a reputation for allegedly sending cease and desist letters. Now,
while Kiara may be allegedly restricted in what she can
(01:58):
say publicly, it hasn't stopped her from giving her followers signs.
So on the weekend, Kiara posted a pretty innocuous photo
of three wine glasses and a menu at a restaurant
called Siblings. She didn't tag the diners, but she didn't
have to, as they also posted near identical photos on
their own Instagram stories. So Kiara was having dinner with
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none other than ash Bines's former best friends Sammy Leo
and Greddy Rose. I bet they had a lot to
catch up on and notes to compare. I would have
loved to be a fly on the wall at that drink.
It's just such a fuck you to organize a get
together like that. I actually quite like it well as
she Sammy and Gretty. They all used to be best
friends until suddenly they weren't, and follow us have always
(02:41):
wondered what happened between the women. We often get dms
asking can you guys please do a deep dive into
this friendship breakdown. There's so many people who are intrigued
by it, and that is why this is such a
big power play from Kiara. I would love to know
who reached out to who first. It reminds me of
when you break up with someone and you have this
desire to reach out to their exes to compare notes
(03:01):
and see if they did the same weird things. It's
called trauma bonding, Sophie. I wonder if nat Roland is
a little bit dirty that she was left off the
invite list because she is another one of Ashi Bindes's
former best friends, and she recently confirmed that they are
no longer friends and haven't been for a long time.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
You'd be absolutely spewing.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
I'm sure she probably hit them up in their DMS
and was like, can we catch up next week? Let's
do the same sort of social media stories well as
she has retaliated by sharing a photo on Monday of
her hanging out with her school friends over the weekend.
She captured the photo, doesn't matter what I go through
since our teenage days, they are there through it all.
Never once do they ask or expect anything of me.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
So forever grateful.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
What's the bet that these friends haven't heard from her
in months and then suddenly it's like, oh, we've got
the call up to come hang out with. What I
take from the caption is she's implying her former best
friends were taking a lot from her and expecting the world.
I wonder what all their partners think about this, because
I know if I was behaving this way online, my
husband would be like, get off your phone and fucking
grow up.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
See.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
I think Kiara's husband is probably very supportive of it.
Reading between the lines, it sounds like he's just as
mad at Ashy as she is. I don't think there's
a time when you just need to jump off socials
when it's becoming a bit this. I actually love this
because they haven't come out and slammed Ashy binds. They
haven't said anything. All they've done is posted a photo.
It's not just the photo because they've actually all caught up.
So what else have they got in the world. Yeah,
(04:19):
but it actually sends the message that they want to
say more but can't, so they have to go have
a catch up.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
We need to be quick because we're on a baby
time limit.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Self proclaimed holistic health princess Sarah's Day has divided the
Internet after sharing a series of jim selfies five weeks
after giving birth to her third son, Harlowe. Many women
on their own postpartum journeys labeled the post as damaging
and took a fence to Sarah, using it as an
opportunity to spook her pregnancy fitness ebook, Whilst others didn't
(04:49):
see a problem with Sarah sharing about her own experience
now Sophie, it's been a tough couple of weeks for Sarah.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
She's been very.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Vocal about how difficult she has found this newborn experience
because her son, Harlowe, he has been suffering from some
very severe reflux issues, and it's meant that Sarah has
been in the trenches. She's been getting very little sleep,
she's been cluster feeding. Last week, she said she was
going to take some time offline because she explained she
had been struggling with her mental health and admitted that
(05:16):
she had no energy to speak to her community. It's
interesting because she only ended up being offline for around
twenty four hours before she started posting all these body
checks of herself.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Think she probably would have benefited.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
From taking that time offline because it's quite clear that
she's putting a lot of pressure on herself to solve
her son's reflux issues. She's been talking about how she's
been cutting out all these different food groups because she
thinks it's contributing to these issues. She's also been speaking
to a ton of natural paths and trying to figure
out what is going on. Most recently, she took heartlow
to see an osteo to see if maybe the issue
(05:49):
was being caused by a lip tie. And as always,
she's been very open about discussing her son's potential medical concerns,
which some people find really relatable. I know there's been
a lot of followers who have said that they've enjoyed
seeing a realistic experience with a newborn and not someone
glamorizing it. But on the other side of it, she
did promise not to talk about her children's medical conditions
(06:11):
after there was a lot of issues and a lot
of publicity around her second son, Malachi's health concerns. Yeah,
and I found it weird because last night she posted
a pole asking for her followers to vote whether she
should get medical treatment on Harlow's lip tie.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
And I was like, surely this is something you need
to talk to your doctor about a yes no pole.
I mean, I personally think it should remain private.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
I don't think that these things should be aired online,
but others have different opinions. Now, for Sarah, she has
been raring to get back into the gym She is
currently five weeks postpartim and said that she wanted to
ease back into things with a polates class. That's when
alarm bell started ringing for me, because normally you're advised
to wait at least six weeks and have to get
approval from your doctor to exercise. Now, in Sarah's case,
(06:54):
she did mention that her pelvic floor physio, Charlotte Connellan,
had given her the all clear. However, Charlotte is a
business partner and she's also in cahoots with Sarah at
the moment because they have created this pregnancy workout guide
together called Body and Bump, which is what Sarah has
been spooking. So it seems a little bit unethical that
it was Charlotte that gave her all clear.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
It does make it murky. I can see why Sarah
wants to.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Return to the gym, particularly if her mental health is
struggling at the moment. Her whole identity is centered around
exercise and it's clearly an activity that makes her happy
and gets her endorphins going. And in her Instagram story,
she wrote, I could cry. I'm so excited to be
back in one hot polarates class to a workout class
in general. I will go into more detail about this,
(07:39):
but moving my body does so much for my mental
health and emotional regulation and threet my positive headspace. It
really didn't surprise me to see Sarah back in the
gym so early, But what did seem to generate a
huge reaction online was how Sarah looked in her gym selfies.
Before we dive into how she looked, I want to
preface here that this is such a sensitive topic and
(08:01):
I don't think that any postpartum woman's body should be shamed,
whether they've gained weight or they've gone back quickly to
their pre pregnancy weight, because everyone's bodies at the end
of the day are so different, and there are a
lot of women like Sarah who, due to genetics or
the fact that they stayed very active during their pregnancy,
returned very quickly to their pre pregnancy body. So I
(08:21):
don't want anyone to think that we are saying that
there is a right way to be after you give
birth and.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
A wrong way.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
But I don't think anyone was shaming her body. I
think people were saying, she looks incredible, she looks like
she hasn't had a baby, and that is really difficult.
I mean, I'm six months postpartum and I personally found
it really difficult to look at. And I saw a
lot of conversation in our Facebook group. Oh, people are
just jealous. Well, yeah, of course I would.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Like to look like I'd been hitting the gym.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
But when I say shaming, what I mean about it
is that I have spoken to other mums who they
have very much gone quickly back to what they used
to look like, and they haven't actually done anything, They've
just been genetically blessed, and they said that they almost
feel like everyone is making these assertions on them. They're
death flogging themselves at the gym and not putting their
show actually back at the gym five weeks after having
(09:09):
a baby. So I think it's kind of she is
playing into that narrative that she is working out a lot,
but that's my first time working out and she looks
like But there's also a difference between having to share
it all online and shove it down people's Yes, the
body checks because in this video that Sarah put up,
she's wearing light gray bike shorts and a white crop top.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Her abs are very.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Prominent in her photo she's got. Her stomach is like
completely flat, and she was also posing in specific ways
that showed off her body to look thin. Among all
of the photos which many people are referring to as
body checks, she had to point out that she was
only five weeks postpartum and wrote, my previous two postpartum experiences,
I've gone back to workouts as seven and eightish week's postpartum,
(09:50):
but this birth was so different with no tearing, easy pushing,
and I felt.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Physically great now.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Following her visit to the gym, she was inundated with
questions about how she managed to actually make it to
the gym without Harlow. Sarah ended up jumping on her
stories and explained that everything fell into place that morning.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Here's what she said.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
So, the only way I can go anywhere without him
is if I feed just before I leave. But because
he's not on a schedule at all, like he is
five weeks postpartum, and I just feed on demand, Like
sometimes that's every two hours. Sometimes that's like a cluster
feed at like witching hour and he's on my boob
the whole time, or sometimes it's like three hours or
three and a half hours. I have no idea, and
(10:33):
it just so happened that he fed at like six
point thirty this morning, like he just wanted a feed,
and then so I could beat him at nine, put
him on my boob, drained it, and then I rode
my bike up to Poloties and I just made it
like I like got in the class and it had started.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
She then prefaced after this that she's not actually back
at the gym training, but today was about her mental
health and getting forty five minutes to an hour to herself.
It's quite clear people were quite shocked by Sarah's appearance,
because she had to return to her stories again to
provide a further update on what her body looks like
at the moment. So she shared a video, this time
(11:09):
of her shorts rolled down so you could see her
belly from two different angles front on and to the side,
and in the corner, she added a before image of
her seven weeks pregnant at one of her active wear
collection shoots, where she looked absolutely ripped, and in the
caption she wrote, I was seven weeks preggiy here so
not showing, but I was at one of my fittest
before this pregnancy. Thank you for everyone's lovely messages, but
(11:31):
a few things. One, I promise you I still have
a long way to go to regain my core and
ab definition. That is not my goal or not even
in my mind.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
At the moment.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
It's strange that she says it's not a goal or
in her mind at the moment, but she's going ahead
and sharing all of these bodies. It's interesting that she
pointed out that she's not where she wants to be
in a fitness journey and she's still got a long
way to go. And I think that's because she wants
people to buy into the pregnancy fitness plan and see
that there is a transformation. She doesn't want people to
think that she's genetically blessed, and just you know, she's
(12:01):
clicked her fingers and gone back to what she was.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
That's the issue.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
The messaging is so off in all of this, because
she then continued in her post saying two, I did
my body and Bump workout program until the end of
my pregnancy, and then in brackets my most consistent workout
routine and pregnancy yet.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
So she's just continuing to.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Flog the e book. Then she said and three, I
have lost so much of my strength and tone. But
that's okay. Being my third postpartum experience and even just
being thirty two and more mature, I'm in no rush
to get my abs back or look a certain way.
I'm just so happy to be feeling like myself slowly
again and loving my body that has created three beautiful
babies again. There's just so much mixed messaging going on because, Okay,
you can go to the gym for your mental health.
(12:39):
Why are you sharing online? Why are you body checking online?
Do you realize that you're actually affecting.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
The mental health of postpartum women.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
I also think it's quite easy to say that you
love your body and you're super grateful for it when
you look near identical to how you looked before. The
thinking is, she doesn't look near identical. She was extremely
ripped before, well then a standard size six or yeah,
but she still looks like a very thin person that
just might not have the ab definition and the muscle
tone that she once had. Okay, that's going to be
(13:07):
a big change for her. But what really annoyed me
because there was a big conversation in a Facebook group
about it, and people are like, oh, you're just jealous
about her body, and you know, good for her, it's
for a mental health blah blah blah. Okay, that is
completely fine, Sarah. I can go and do whatever she
wants in her own time. That it's her own prerogative.
But when you are trying to pray on vulnerable women
(13:27):
to buy your postpartum ebook, that is the issue.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
That's the thing.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Following these series of videos, she then shared links to
the Black Friday special that she was running for this
pregnancy ebook. And that is what made me feel the
most uncomfortable. I mean from a business perspective, it's the
perfect time to mention it because we've already made all
these postpard and women feel insecure and like they're not
doing enough. So of course they're going to think, well, fuck,
(13:51):
if I want to look like her, I better go
and spend one hundred dollars on this e But what
makes it more apparent that it is just to push
to sell this ebook is it is not in line
with what she's currently been sharing. So last week she said,
I'm going on a hiatus. I do not have the
energy or time to focus on even putting.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Content out there.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
However, a couple of days later in the lead up
to Black Friday, she's at the gym, she's found time
to start flogging her ebook. It doesn't line up because
she is actually having a really difficult time. She clearly
is struggling with her mental health, and I think that
is why a lot of people are trying to see
the best and say, well, I think she's doing it
for her mental health. But when you really do look
(14:30):
at the strategy around trying to push this book in
the Black Friday sales, I also think that we need
to remember that this is very concerning and potentially damaging
behavior because these types of promotions are almost shaming post
pardon women into not feeling enough and then encouraging them
to rush back into exercise when their bodies have not
properly killed yet. But the reality is she may be
(14:51):
doing it for her mental health. Cool share that you're
at the gym, but don't post the fucking body checks
the whole time. It just makes people feel like posting
the fact that she is it the gym five weeks
postpartum is damaging because her job is to influence people,
and there'd be a lot of women that are have
just had a baby and are like shit, I haven't
even thought of going the gym. I mean, I'm six
(15:12):
months postpartum. I used to exercise regularly before I was pregnant.
I have not done one workout and when I saw that,
I was like, shit, am I just being lazy? I
mean I am struggling to work, look after my baby,
run a house, like have a social life, and then
I'm thinking, oh shit, maybe I should be exercising as well.
Like posts definitely did a lista a huge response from
(15:33):
our Facebook community, and I have to say the comments
were pretty divided. There were a lot of women who
like uk to going through their postpartum journeys, and they
commented saying that they found the post very damaging and upsetting.
So one listener wrote, as someone who had.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
A baby a few days before her, this is so.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Frustrating, making me do some serious eye rolling. I'm still
having outfit meltdowns every day when I go to get dressed,
so to see this is pretty annoy It's literally genetics. God,
I could not relate more to that meltdown about outfits.
Another listener said, as a woman with prolapse, this absolutely
enrages me. It's irresponsible and it not only sets unrealistic
(16:11):
expectations for postpart and women. It also puts pressure on
women to push themselves at the risk of prolapse and
other issues because they see influencers doing things like this
and thinking it'll be fine. Another listener said, I get
that everyone is different, but I don't think one person
watching feels good after watching those stories and inevitably comparing baby.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Or not now.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
On the other side, there were some listeners that didn't
see an issue with her posts, saying she was simply
sharing her experience. One listener wrote, I don't see anything
wrong with this. Her mental health isn't great at the moment,
so I say good on her for doing something for
her that's going to help her. I see zero gloating
here nor education. She's just saying she is doing what
works for her, whilst another said she's been posting about
(16:55):
how her mental health has been impacted by this third baby.
If she's been given the all to exercise, good for her.
If that's what she wants to do, and if that's
what makes her feel better, great. She's not telling anyone
what to do. She's sharing her experience. But don't people
understand that as an influencer sharing her experience, she's influencing
people to do what she does. I can kind of
(17:16):
see what they're saying, because I think people feel uncomfortable
to criticize her actions, particularly because she's going through a
difficult time at the moment, and clearly exercise is something
that helps people's mental health. And they're saying, look, she's
learned her lesson because she's not sitting there saying, hey, everyone,
you should be doing this.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
But then in a way she's telling of her book.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
I would like to know how many of the people
who commented positive things about it have actually had a baby. Well,
there were a few that said, you know, I'm on
my postpartum journey and I've seen no issue with it. Obviously,
everyone is going to have a different opinion on it,
and I think that everyone is welcome to that opinion.
But I think that postpartum women are also allowed to
share that it made them really upset. I mean, I
saw a woman crying on TikTok saying that she has
(17:59):
been working so ht to lose weight and eating right,
and then she sees Sarah's day post that five weeks
after having a baby, and it was just so demoralizing
and yes, of course people will say, don't compare yourself,
unfollow that person, but that's actually not really realistic because
even if you unfollow someone, the way the algorithm works
is gonna pop up in your feet and don't you
(18:20):
think as well, it's like this thing of the way
your brain works. Like you might think, oh, that's so
toxic and that's gross, but then you're kind of envious
and think, oh, well, I'd actually love to have that body,
and it starts to get in your head on maybe
I should be doing this. Like for me, I'm like, oh,
maybe I should be doing some workouts while I'm pregnant,
And I'm like, no, I shouldn't do that. Well, I mean,
it's not unsafe to work out during prey. It's actually
(18:42):
more workouts than I'm doing it. I mean, which zero,
I'm not postpart of a lovely walk down, and then
I'm not postpartum or pregnant, and it made me think.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Fuck, look at her body.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
I want to work out, like, isn't it It's terrible? Yeah,
And that's the thing we all know deep down that
it's not realistic, But that's not how social media works.
It preys on you when you're feeling vulnerable, and that's
what it's done here. And what makes it worse is
that she knows what she's doing, because she's got the
hook of a postpartum guide at the end of it.
The first time she's been criticized for something like this
as well, And I think that's what has pissed a
(19:12):
lot of people off, is that she has a history
of doing this.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
I think she hasn't learned.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
I think what would really demonstrate the impact that her
posts have had on people is how many people signed
up that day for her ebook.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
I'd be very interested to know those stats.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
So you're back in the PR Housewifery was not for me.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Roxy Desenco is officially back the PR. Queen has returned
to public relations after sensationally quitting her company Sweaty.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Betty two years ago.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Roxy labeled the decision to quit as a midlife crisis,
and recently revealed on the Lazy CEO podcast that life
as a housewife was boring.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Let's have a listen to what she said.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
I'm no good on the washing machine, I'm on the
hospital corners for bed in your housewive times, What did
I do? I shopped and shopped. It's the fucking most
boring ring existence. Remember I worked since I was fourteen, ye,
so I was bored.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Yeah, I left.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
I went to Singapore, suntanned, eight drunk, put eighteen kilos on.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Do we really believe that she didn't have a housekeeper
in Singapore. I think she did. Considering she said she
shopped and shopped and shopped. I can't really imagine Roxy
making the beds and doing the washing. I'm envious of
her because Singapore would be such a fun place to
go shopping every day.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Ye, But it would get boring, it would.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Be unfulfilling, particularly if you've had this very successful career beforehand,
which has come back with guns blazing, because she has
made the claim that in the last two years since
she's been away, no one has taken her place in
the PR world because they weren't willing to take the
risks and push the boundaries like her, And she said
that that is what has given her her competitive edge
(20:47):
over the last eighteen years, a bit of a bold
statement after the PR nightmare that she was embroiled.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Recently with the house giveaway.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Well, let's have a listen to what Roxy said has
made her such a good PR.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
Guru, treated the business of the customers as my own.
Because of that, I did well. I made serious fucking money.
But now everyone's safe and concerned and so politically correct.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
I didn't give a fuck what you think about me.
Cancel culture is so big.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
I mean, I haven't canceled five hundred times.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Yes, you can't get Hey, I'm the queen of reinvention.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Dog. I love it.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
I love it.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Yeah, the poster girl for it. You can think of
big PR firms in Melbourne and Sydney, but they're not
necessarily centered around an individual like Roxy the way that
she is touted as being this PR queen, and she's
really the face of the business. We don't see too
many companies run like that anymore. Yeah, I mean, and
Roxy's right. She has been canceled a number of times
for different things she has said, but she continues to
(21:46):
lend big clients because people just love how blunt is.
I mean, I listened to this interview and I was like, fuck,
she's done wrong in the past, but she is hilarious,
and she also has a reputation of someone who will
get the job done no matter to one of her
live shows when I was working at another PR firm
right before we started our business Amy and I remember
(22:06):
hearing that she has a rule that she has to
apply to an email within a couple of hours, and
that's the same rule that she applies to her staff.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
And it's that.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Persistence and consistency. I think that helps her attract business
and keep business. See I'm wondering did she want to
return or was forced to return, because when all of
that drama broke around the house competition, it sounded like
she took a very big hit financially, particularly having to
refund all of those customers their entrant. Well, she did
joke on the podcast that she spent all of her money,
(22:39):
so I think there was a little bit of truth
to the fact that she is having to return for
financial reasons. And it will be interesting to see Kate
in terms of the scandal that we've recently seen unfold
with that housing lottery competition, whether that will affect her
reputation and whether brands will trust work. She's already had
huge clients like Stax and Mermaid Hair return to Sweat,
(23:00):
but it called them huge brands. I mean, Sack is huge,
Sax is a very successful active wear brand, but I
wouldn't say Mermaid Hair.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Does she have a financial stake in Mermaid Hair?
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Yeah, because they sponsor Pixie, I feel like she must
have something to do with them. I mean, Sax is
a big brand in Australia, but the way she talks,
you would have thought that maybe there were some international
brands coming in a way, particularly because she's been living
in Singapore. The brands make sense because she's a lifestyle agency.
There is a large lifestyle brands. I'm interested in hearing
that she thinks that her PR business is going to
(23:34):
be bigger than Ministry of Talent because if anything like
from having a PR business, The way the PR is
going is everything is moving to influencers, everything is moving
to paid content. Mainstream media is dying. So it's quite
an interesting strategy that she's putting more of her attention
into PR. It's funny you say that because she took
a stab at some of her PR competitors and she
said that PR agencies these days are putting too much
(23:57):
focus on just sending product to influence, and I actually
agree with it. She said that influencers should not be
the be all an Angel and the issue is yeah,
and the issue is that everyone's an influencer these days.
And she said, if you look into the stats, they're
not selling as much product as they used to, and
that more agencies should be focusing on traditional media like TV,
(24:18):
radio and print, and that's what we tend to do
with our clients. So I also saw Sam Mengnan, who
runs Spin and Co. Which is another successful PR firm,
sharing that same sentiment around influencer marketing. He said, because
the influencer space is so oversaturated and it's the wild
West at the moment, the people are paying all this
money for really no return. So I'm really fascinated in
(24:38):
particular to see what ROXY does in the mainstream media.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
With brands like Stax.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
And also Mermaider, we predominantly have built a following and
got an exposure through influencer marketing. Because if you think
about Stacks, they are always doing influencer collaborations. That's the
only way I heard about their brand. It sounds like
she's coming in for quality control over their influences. Let's
get into our highs and low of the week and Amy,
we're dying to talk about your pregnancy.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
This has been a long kept secret. Now, Yeah, it's.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Been really frustrating because I've wanted to say for so
long on the podcast that I am pregnant, especially when
we do our highs and lows, because I've had so
many funny things that have popped up during blood tests
or ultrasounds that I've wanted to discuss.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
But yes, I.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Officially let everybody know last week that I was pregnant. Well,
I've known for two months now because you broke the
news to me on the podcast. People might have seen
the clip we posted on our Instagram, and I had
no fucking idea because you've been telling me I've got
my period and.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
I've got to pretend.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Don't you want that sort of surprise because I'm nineteen
weeks this week. Yeah, I can't leave you that far
along because now that I've got something to compare it to,
Like I was seventeen weeks pregnant at your wedding. It
felt so far along the way, but I think you've
seen further back. Because you hadn't announced it, it was like
a secret. Also because you wear baggy clothes, so we
only copped a look at the bump really today before
(25:56):
we recorded this episode. I've sort of popped this week
at the nineteen week mark, so I have a bone
to pick with you. Yeah, I'm a little bit sad
that Sophie was the first out of us to find
it out because I was on maternity leave. You could
have waited until I was bad.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
So the reality is the first people I told all
Dale and I told were our like my mum and
dad and his mum and his poppy. And we did
it that weekend before I told Sophie in the podcast recording,
people will have seen and I tried to invite you
along to this event and You're like, I can't come,
I don't have time, blah blah blah, and I'm just
gonna tell pper no. But then I was going to
(26:32):
invite you as well. I was going to tell everyone
at we should have planned it seemed, you know, when
it seems so obvious, and I wanted it to be
a surprise. So I thought, look, it's going to be
too hard to get Kate to come down to this
podcast recording. I'm just going to surprise her in a
separate way. So I did it a few days later,
and I gave you this baby outfit for Jack that said,
my Auntie's got my best friend baking in her stomach
(26:55):
or something like that.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
So I have to put your reaction up on the US.
It's so glamorous as well.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
In that we are going to go so do I
look terrible? We are going to go into more detail
in our subscriber episode about your pregnancy, which I'm really excited.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
To get into.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Yeah, maybe I should share one of my loads of
the week though, from when I was getting all those
pregnancy tests, because there were two that stood out. One
was the fact that you do have to give a
urine sample, and despite needing to go to the toilet constantly,
for some reason, my bladder was not actually allowing me
to do any urine in the cup when I had
to provide it.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Is that because you went five times before you left
the house.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
No, I was drinking so much water in the car
I had stage right and I had to come back
in with this like pitiful amount of urine. I was like,
the worst bit is when you drink too much water
and it's too diluted. It's just like clear now. So
if you were back from your honeymoon and Port Douglas,
we were enjoying the vlogs. I did give Brandon a
little bit of stick, saying that he needed to get
more involved.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Yeah, so these are TikTok vlogs.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
I feel like I've got to finish them off because
I've only done four days. So maybe if more people
start watching them, have to finish them all.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
I want to see them.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
But anyway, I am the biggest fan of Port Douglas.
I'm trying to convince everyone to go. They're with me
for a group holiday next. It is incredible. It is
stunning there. It feels like you were in Hawaii, but
still in Australia. We hired a car and we were
able to go from our resort to the little town there.
I became best friends with a woman who runs the
(28:20):
gift shop there. Oh my god, it is called I
think it's with Sugar or something Sugars.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
It's oh my god. I bought the whole shop like
she loves you.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Yeah, it is just Port Douglas is such a beautiful
place to go. Yeah, you kept telling us, You're like,
I've decided that we're going to all do a big
family holiday there, and I was like, how much is
the accommodation?
Speaker 2 (28:38):
You mentioned that bad I think we'd.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Go overseas those prices paying for it?
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Would I pay for you guys to come with me?
I don't.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
I think it was pretty on par with what you
pay to go to a resort. It was stunning, Like fuck,
I wish I was still there.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
It was so nice.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
My love of the week was an incident that happened
at Cannes Airport. Now, my husband is a bit of
an anxious traveler, even when it's interstate.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
He always looks.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Suspicious at airports just because he's worried about everything getting.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Through, like the process.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Having traveled to Bali with him, I've never actually had
bags checked on the way back, like into Australia. But
he looked so nervous. It looked like we had like
ten tons of wood in our blood.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
And he's literally like.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Squeaky clean, like you know, he's like a school prefect
type vibes like never do anything wrong, like And so
we were going through, you know when they.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Had the scanners and you just walk through. This time
they had the body scan.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Yeah, you had to hold up like I literally felt
like I was getting a faked hand doing all these
different movements. Anyway, I went through no trouble. He then
goes through and gets pulled aside and the man said
to him. He said something like, oh, do you want
to go back here or can you take that? There
was some discussion and Brandon thought that the man was
asking him to take his shirt off, so he proceeded
(29:53):
to try and take his shirt off, and the mass like, no, no,
no, no no, I just wanted to pat you down because
you've showed up on the scan. I think just because
you're sweating, so poor thing. Brandon was sweating through nerves
from God through security almost took your shirt off in
front of it. Was it was quite the ordeal. I
am not surprised. I mean, but surely a lot of
people would be sweating in Can's airports. Oh it was
(30:13):
bloody hot that everyone kept telling me, oh, fuck, you're
going to boil port.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Douglas is so hot.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
It was like thirty two degrees every day, but a
different type of thirty two.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
It was so human, but it was really nice.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Well, my high of the week is that we have
finalized our Christmas series which will start airing next week,
and I'm so excited to finally.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Share these interviews with you.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
So they are interviews with some of our favorite influencers,
and they're not just about Christmas, but about things in general.
We have asked some very interesting questions. I feel like
the Daily Mail need to listen because I'm sure they're
going to write some articles off what we have learned from.
There's a lot of influences behind the scenes, Goss. There's
a lot of different opinions that these influences have given
us on different scandals over the past years. So they
(30:57):
really are mustless an episode. We really did go there
and be honest, I was surprised that some of these
influencers actually agreed to be on our podcast because a
lot of influencers have blocked us in the past. Now,
my low of the week is I sat down very
excited to watch a Christmas movie. You had the tree
set up and it was top rated on Netflix. It's
got Chad Michael Murray in it, and it's about this
(31:18):
pub who put on a male review so like a strip.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Yeah, I saw this ad. I thought this was meant
to be a good man. I thought everyone was saying how.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Good it was. It's fucking terrible. Reese actually said, can
we please turn it off?
Speaker 2 (31:29):
It's pissing, but make it better.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
I'm not surprise, he hated. And the advertisement was literally
just like a riped Chad Michael Murray stripping, Like I
don't think it's supposed to have a good plot. Okay,
watch it and tell me what you think, because I
couldn't handle it either, because I got to a point
where I said to Reese, I didn't realize how bad
at acting Chad Michael.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
May Hey, he's not bad at acting.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
It was probably just the fucking crap script. Free Christmas
movie is bad though. I feel like, especially the new
Netflix one, it's kind of like.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
The theme of these new Christmas movies.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Yeah, pain, low budget and low rent. Every one of
those movies starts with that the successful person is single
and then they have to go spend Christmas at home
with their parents, and that is literally they're going home
every single one and then they fall in love with
someone at that there.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
What's wrong with that?
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Like, everyone needs a bit of joy for Christmas.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
I want to watch the Holiday. Have you guys seen that?
Speaker 1 (32:20):
I sank to Brandon because I said, I think it's
Holly from Mum and mea. She does this really cute
thing with her family where they write down all of
the Christmas movies that they want to watch. They put
them in a jar, and then each weekend they pick
out a new one. And I said, I want to
watch the holiday brand's like watching those.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Seen that before? Well, what was the other one?
Speaker 1 (32:38):
He didn't He didn't want to watch love actually as well,
So maybe I'll have to have a girl's movie then.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
So I couldn't deal with that because.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
My favorite Christmas movies are the English Christmas movie es. Well,
that's what we've got time for today. Thank you for
listening to another episode of Outspoken Don't Forget. If you
want to hear all about Amy's pregnancy news, then subscribe
to Outspoken Plus because we're doing.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
A deep dive on there tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
This podcast was recorded on the traditional land of the
Ghana people of the Adelaide Plains. Will pay respect to
elders past and present.
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