March 27, 2025 • 41 mins
Mikaela Testa has shared a disturbing insight into her relationship with the Paul family in a two and a half hour podcast episode, shared to YouTube. In the video which has been viewed over 1 million times, the Only Fans creator levelled serious allegations against the TikTok stars. The Pauls are yet to respond to the allegations.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Before we get into the episode, we want to issue
a trigger warning as we touch on issues around domestic
violence and sexual assault. Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's
your dose of the hottest influencer and pop culture news
twice a week. I'm Sophie Torbert and we have a
big episode today. We are going to be unpacking the
(00:20):
Mikayla Tester and Anna and Addas Pol drama that has
exploded on YouTube over the weekend. So, Mikayla Tester has
shared some very disturbing insights into her relationship with the
Pol family. In a two and a half hour podcast
episode shared to YouTube, the Only Fans creator leveled some
very serious allegations against the TikTok stars. Before we get
(00:43):
into it, we want to reiterate that at this stage,
these are just allegations that are being made by Mikayla Tester.
The poles have not yet weighed in officially. Now, Kate,
can you get us up to speed with what actually
led to this podcast in the first place. So, last month,
Mikayla released an eight minute expose on Anna and Attis Paul,
which caused the Internet to explode. So for some background,
(01:04):
Mikayla dated at us for several years before they broke
up in twenty twenty two, and within the first weeks
of dating, Mikayla moved in with a Paul family and
really did become a family member. Well. She was particularly
close with Anna and they labeled each other best friends. Yeah,
they were all very close. So initially on TikTok, Mikayla
leveled serious allegations against Adis, which we have not been
(01:25):
able to report on for legal reasons. But those allegations
are all over TikTok and have not been censored, so
I think everyone is up to speed what those allegations are.
Pouls are yet to actually address any of those allegations. No,
when Anna put out her apology, she didn't touch on
anything to do with her brother.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
No.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Yeah. Well, as for the claims against Anna, Mikayla accused
her of incentivizing her underage fan base to sign up
to her OnlyFans account with the lure of a cash giveaway,
lying about growing up poor, as well as calling a
fan fat and sweaty, and in a statement, Anna claimed
that she felt poor at the time and that she
called the fan sweaty but not fat. Now, Michayla started
(02:01):
the podcast by providing some disclaimers, and the first being
that she is not in trouble legally. She also confirmed
that the Paul's legal team have not contacted her, and
I felt that this was a really clever move by
Mikayla to strengthen her claims, as when it comes to defamation,
the truth is a defense. I thought that was really
interesting insight into how the Paul family work, because I
(02:22):
think everybody assumed looking in that they would have been
completely lawyered up, that they would have reached out to
Mikayla Tester. Yeah, it's not really a good look, is
it now. The second disclaimer that Michayla put out there
was that the podcast was not being monetized, and that's
despite the fact that she had been offered paid opportunities.
She was also offered to appear on a number of
other podcasts, but she made the decision not to monetize
(02:44):
it because she said she didn't want to profit off
trauma and abuse, which I thought was a really good move. Yeah,
it's a very clever strategic move because it makes her
claims more valid as well. Yeah, and I think she
was predicting that a lot of people would go on
TikTok and say, oh, she's full of shit because she's
making money off this podcast. I do think an alternative
move that she could have made was actually to monetize it,
(03:05):
but say that all of the money was going to
a woman's charity. Sometimes that opens up the door for
people to scrutinize father, like it's the wrong charity, or
she hasn't given the full amount, or you know, remember
when Sarah's Day raised that money for bushfire victims, And
even though she did donate all of the money, everyone's
like she didn't do it soon enough. Yeah, well, sadly,
the final disclaimer came in the form of Michayla saying
(03:28):
that she's not the perfect victim. So Mikayla gave some
insight into her childhood. She explained that she grew up
in an abusive environment with a teen mum who was
a drug addict and also a stepdad who abused her.
What I found fascinating is she spoke about how she
was one of seven kids and that she grew up
quote dirt broke and wouldn't have food because her mum
(03:48):
spent money on drugs. And it just made me think
about how annoyed she must have been sitting there. Well,
Anna Paul was trying to perpetuate this image that she
grew up paor when that was actually Michayla's reality. It
really it seems like Anna was cosplaying Mikayla's life and
using her personal stories to build this narrative about herself
that would garner sympathy and interest. He was so sad
(04:09):
because Michayla also touched on the fact that she finally
met her biological father when she was fourteen, but sadly,
he died of cancer when she was eighteen. Yeah, that
really broke my heart because it felt like she was
finally in a good place with her dad and then
that happened. I do think it was really clever of
the way that she prefaced her childhood at the start
of this video so listeners could actually make sense of
(04:31):
her actions. And it did upset me that she kept
having to apologize and say that she blamed herself, because
it's clear throughout her life she has been a victim
of abuse. I was just in aura of how she
was able to speak so confidently in this video and
how likable she came across. Sadly, I think if she
hadn't made all of these disclaimers, though, there would be
a section of people who would say that she's just
(04:52):
as bad for perhaps being a bystander in this because
I mean, we will go further into it, but she
played unseen videos, but you can hear her voice in
the background having directions. It was quite interesting because she
also said that she thinks that she suffered from Stockholm
syndrome during this experience with the polls, which we will
further dive into. But yeah, there were a lot of
disclaimers which were very important. I think I do want
(05:14):
to applaud Makayla because it would have been hard opening
up about her personal life, but it was really clever
because it made you empathize with her and understand what
triggered her to call out Anna on claiming that she
grew up poor. And I really enjoyed the receipts that
Mikayla provided in this YouTube to prove that Anna did
not grow up poor. Not only did she label Anna's
claims as a sham, a light, and an exaggeration, she
(05:37):
shared countless photos to back up her claims. I think
the most damning ones were the ones of Anna and
Adis as kids living in the waterfront home, and then
later on as teenagers showing that they were in that
same home. I just loved her pointing out she's like
brand name, brand name. They always had Starbucks, they were
out for cafes with their mom. My favorite one was
when she was saying, oh, Anna thinks that she grew
(05:58):
up poor because her first carve a hold an aster.
And then Mikayla ended up bringing up a Google Maps
photo from back in the day showing the family van
that she used to have to drive to school in
which looked like I had was broken down, like it's
seen better days. Oh that made me laugh. The crazy
thing is all of these photos were readily available on
Anna's own Instagram account, Like why did she not delete them?
(06:21):
And how come it's only until now that these have
been brought up. Look after this whole ordeal, you think
you'd go and do a bit of a delete on Instagram?
Would Yeah? But is it that she's so delusional that
she thinks that that was growing up Paul? She is
she trying to claim that a lot of the designer
goods were fake? Because didn't you say that a dead
Hans used to go to garage sales or sell fake
(06:41):
style and that she sat on first class but she
was only there for a second or something. I mean,
maybe she doesn't think Michael Kore's is as good as
a Rolex. You have you guys seen those tiktoks popping
up and it's a guy who's imitating Addis Paul his
videos from twenty twenty two, and it's like, I am
so rich, fuck you all like this and how rich
I am? This is my twenty one million dollar watch.
(07:02):
I think what was so apparent during this video is
how clever Mikayla test is because she understands Anna's fan
base and what an absolute ace it would be if
she had the backing of Anna's beloved ex, Glenn Thompson.
And not only did Mikayla reveal that Glenn helped her
during her personal experiences of abuse, but that he also
(07:23):
supports her. Now. He sounded so lovely, like you just
got a vibe that he was that one person that
Michayla could have actually confided in during that experience. And
she was really respectful of Glenn, which I think was
another strategic move because she knew if she started outing
all of her text messages between Glenn. Then that would
not be seen favorably with our fan. It would also
get Glenn offside as well, and that lend to more
(07:44):
drama where maybe he could have provided receipts about Mikayla Well.
She ended up sharing screenshots from a conversation with him
that supported her claims. Mikayla also alleged that Anna constantly
fat shamed Glenn.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
This is what she said Anna behind Glenn's back to
me and my entire friend group that we were we had,
you know, Anna, Me, Lilith, Chloe Bailey. She would call
Glenn fat on the daily. She'd call him fat every
single day. She'd fat shame him. She'd fat shame him
with her mom. It was mostly like attis Anna Mama.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
This was the times that I recall in person her
saying this. She'd be talking shit in German about Glenn.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Okay, I heard it, and I also heard her just
talking shit to me and my friend group in English
as well about Glenn being fat. It was very fucked
to witness, and I'm swear to God no word of lie.
She was saying this about Glenn and Glenn's family for years,
like one time she came back from a trip in
Balley with Glenn and all of Glenn's family members, and
she had made a really fucked up comment about how
(08:43):
they wear shower curtains to the day clubs and Anna's
in a Bikinian it feels so awkward because they're so fat,
and she literally thinks that his family's jealous of her.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
It was just really bizarre, like she'd be.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
It was just like.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
An unspoken thing that attis her and Mama hated Glenn's family,
and it was always like a them verse, like their
family verse.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Glenn's family sort of thing. Like it was just really
fucking weird. Michayla's obviously putting this out there because she's
trying to back up her original claim saying that Anna
called a fan fat, so she's trying to demonstrate that
this is a pattern of behavior and language that she
used quite comfortably. It's particularly awkward because for a number
of years Anna Paul portrayed herself as this body positivity advocate,
(09:28):
and the fact that Glenn lost so much weight after
he and Anna broke up, it really makes you think,
what about when Michaela said that the whole family had
to take part in fasting as this plot to make
Glenn thinner without making him feel bad, and then Michaela
said that she ended up getting this eating disorderfied. I
also thought it was interesting when Michayla said that Anna
would lose it if they went to Starbucks and apparently
(09:48):
Glenn would order a particularly sugary drink and she'd be like, no,
he has to have this one. Like it just painted
such a picture. And it's these little details that just
make her story seem so believable because she just couldn't
make this shit up. Yeah, I can't stop thinking about
the fact that Anna continued to push this narrative that
her and Glenn were still best friends after the breakup
and their families would spend Christmas together. Also Anna giving
(10:10):
Glenn the car, Well, well, we spoke about this on
the podcast when they were pretending to be friends, and
I said, this is bullshit. At the time, no one
is that close to there. It's all very sas now,
throughout this whole saga, we have had to be really
careful on how we report on the allegations. Mikayla has
leveled it addis Paul as they are of a serious nature.
After viewing the public court documents that appeared in Michayla's video. Though,
(10:33):
what we can legally say is it appears Adis was
sentenced in the district Court on the eighth of May
twenty twenty three. It is unclear the terms of the sentencing.
To be transparent, we have applied to the court to
view the sentencing document, but at the time of the recording,
we have not received it. It takes seven business days,
so we are hoping to receive the documents soon. What
has caused some confusion though, is that Adis appeared in
(10:55):
court under his real name, which is actually Johanna's Theodore Paul.
What does asas come from there? And that's what I'm
so confused about. Is it because it's Johannes Attis, Like
I don't understand when did he change his name and why?
It's very yes, And a lot of people have been
wondering why the media haven't really been on this story.
And I wonder if the media were searching under Addis Paul.
(11:16):
And I love though that michaela went as far as
to show Addis's Medicare card as proof that this actually
was his REALCAU. There would be so many people being like,
that's not even his name, someone else. We will go
into it in more detail a little bit later, but
his name Johanna's Paul actually appeared on the season desist
letter that he sent his ex girlfriend. Interestingly, the timing
(11:36):
of Addis's appearance at the sentencing hearing coincided with him
leaving social media. So in late April twenty twenty three,
Addis vanished from social media after uploading a very cryptic
video of himself walking around at nights smoking. He had
also unfollowed all of his friends on Instagram, and he
shared a statement at the time saying social media had
(11:57):
destroyed his mental health and the Internet was treating him
like an evil villain. A week later, he then appeared
in front of the district court for sentencing. So it's
very interesting timing, isn't it. I think the most chilling
allegations came at the hour mark of this podcast. So
Michayla shared her personal experiences with manipulation and abuse within
the Paul family. She also detailed disturbing accounts of alleged
(12:21):
domestic and emotional abuse and cohersion. So Michayla spoke in
depth about an incident at the Paul family house, and
this is where Adis allegedly held a knife to his
throat and threatened to harm himself if she left. I
was actually watching this alone late at night, Reese had
gone to bed, and I actually got quite scared because
the way she told the story, it felt like you
(12:42):
were there and watching her all unfold, or she was
sort of re enacting what happened almost. Mickayla also alleged
that she was financially abused by Adas Paul So. According
to Michayla, he was in the process of starting up
an OnlyFans management company when she first started dating him,
and the plan was for him to met Anna's friends
on the platform. Mikayla claims that Anna and Adas persuaded
(13:05):
her to let Addis manage her OnlyFans and it wasn't
long until Attis was taking a fifty percent cut for
doing minimal work. And when I say minimal work, according
to Michayla, the extent of his management was telling her
what color lingerie to wear to put her into perspective.
When she was nineteen, she was earning one hundred and
twenty thousand dollars a month from OnlyFans, so Addis Paul
(13:26):
was taking sixty thousand dollars a month. She also claimed
that when she threatened to cut Adis off from the earnings,
he would threaten suicide and the situation would turn abusive.
So in one instance, Mikayla alleges, while driving with Addas,
he slammed on the brakes of his car, causing her
to hit her head on the windshield. Mikayla did preface
during this part of the YouTube that when she first
(13:47):
met Adis, she had a far bigger profile than him,
because I think there is this narrative online that she
used the polls and she moved in with them to
grow her own career. But her career was doing really well.
She already had a manager. She didn't need another manner. Yeah,
And what I found particularly difficult to listen to was
when Mikayla spoke about how Anna and Adas's mother, who
she referred to as Mama, were allegedly complicit in all
(14:09):
of this. So Mikayla claims that Anna and Mama enabled
Addis's behavior. She said that Anna was always defensive of
Adas and excused his behavior despite witnessing this alleged abuse.
According to Mikayla. Anna would emotionally blackmail her to stay
with Adas, saying things like you're the one that can
get through to him, no joke, the things you say
to him could save his life. I saw this TikTok
(14:32):
pop up focusing on the poll's mom and saying, what
was mama thinking? In the sense of obviously all of
the people involved in the story apart from her were
very young and like there was actually an adult in
this situation who was just watching this all happen allegedly, Yeah,
and Anna's involvement, like they were talking about how she
was allegedly recruiting her friends to date Addis and encouraging
(14:53):
Michayla today Addis so that they could be sisters. Like
it was all very odd and was very clear that
they wanted to recruit as many women as possible to
potentially join this onlyfan management team, because clearly it was
a way to make huge money during the pandem. It
was a way for Adas to make money because his
sister is there making a lot of money off OnlyFans,
and people weren't really interested at the time in subscribing
(15:16):
to a guy doing OnlyFans, and what really shoped listeners
was when Mikayla revealed just how close Addis and Anna's
relationship was in regard to OnlyFans. So she said that
there was this weird dynamic between Anna, Addis and Mama,
and in her opinion, it seemed like they were all
co dependent because allegedly they wouldn't spend more than a
couple of hours apart. It was actually really difficult for
(15:38):
Michayla to spend alone time with Adis without his mum
or sister there. They were, in fact, so close that
Mikayla alleged that Addis shot Anna's only fans content that
was absolutely fucked and particularly because she backed it up
by showing one of the photos that Adas took and
saying that he actually also filmed content where Mikayla and
Anna did collaborations where presumably they performed sex act. It
(16:00):
was whatever. It was one of those moments where I
was like, I don't think the Paul family can come
back to this, especially becaus has been so many rumors
about how close Anna and Ashes. Well, there's this video
floating around on TikTok that Anna uploaded last year that
has not aged well in light of Mikayla's allegations, Let's
play it.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
My brother is my soulmate, and we are so close
that in high school there was a roomor going around
that apparently we sleep together, because I think teenagers they
see a girl and the boy close and they're like,
oh my god, sex right the guys, what's going on?
And I'm twenty five and he's twenty three, and we
are so inseparable.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
We've reached us mind.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
He's literally my twin.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Most brothers would refuse to take a nice photo of
their sister, let alone their sister undressing or in these
positions like, it's just wild to me that this allegedly
went on. Now. Towards the end of the podcast, Mikayla
alleged that in twenty twenty one, Adas Paul tried to
silence his ex girlfriend. We have decided not to name
her as she was underage at the time. For the
(16:54):
purpose of the podcast, we will call her Jane. We
actually did cover this story back in twenty twenty one,
and finally it was our introduction to the Poll family.
I actually listened back to the episode to prep for today,
and I was so embarrassed. It definitely was our first
introduction to the polls because sometimes we referred to him
as Addis and other times we referred to him as artists,
and I was like, oh my god. After that episode dropped,
(17:17):
we actually received a message from Mikayla tester threatening to
sue us, which shows what a full circle moment this
all is. Yeah, it really does. Now. This whole saga
started back in twenty twenty one, as we said earlier,
when a then sixteen year old Jane made a TikTok
about dating an older man who she said took advantage
of her. Jane didn't refer to the man by name,
(17:38):
but it led people from their hometown to speculate in
the comments that she was talking about. At us. To
provide some context, Jane alleges that she was thirteen when
she dated a then sixteen year old Attis. Now off
the back of this TikTok, Mikayla alleges that Addis created
a fake email address and message Jane, pretending to be
a brand manager, all in a bid to obtain her
(18:01):
address to send a cease and desist letter. Mikayla also
claimed that Addis wrote the letter himself, and upon receiving
the letter Jane immediately shared it to her Instagram story
and commented how poorly it was written. She was right,
it was very clear that this was not written by
a lawyer. What is with all these influences pretending to
be lawyers, Like, surely they have enough money to just
(18:23):
seek legal help us.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Well.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
The letter stated that if Jane didn't immediately stop making
false and slanderous claims against Adis Paul, that a defamation
lawsuit would commence against her. Interestingly, as I said earlier,
the letter referred to Adis by his real name, Johannes Paul.
One line that really stood out to me in the
letter was you must not make false accusations of being
a victim and accusing Johanna's Paul of pedophilia grooming as
(18:49):
if it was not consentual. Now, in Queensland, the age
of consent for having sex is sixteen, so if you
are under sixteen, you legally cannot give consent. So for
this legal letter to say, oh, you can't call me
a pedophile as if it wasn't consentsual, well, you actually
can't give consent at the age of sixteen, so it
is a criminal offense to engage in sexual activity with
(19:10):
a child under sixteen. Queensland laws apply to a range
of sexual activity, including sexual penetration and touching a person
in a sexual way, for example, on their breast. Now,
there was a picture of Attis and Jane when she
was in year eight when she was thirteen, and he
was in year twelve when he was sixteen, and he's
groping her breast. The photo was taken by Anna Paul.
(19:30):
This went viral at the time on social meid. It's
even more proof that this letter wasn't written by a lawyer.
The fact that this person who wrote this letter clearly
doesn't understand Queensland's laws for one, and the wording is
so off. Yeah, I mean a lawyer would never make
a comment using consent as a defense when it's not
a legal defense. In Queensland. The only defense that can
be considered is if the child is over the age
(19:52):
of twelve and the accused believed on reasonable grounds that
the child was above the age of sixteen. In a
case of Attis and Jane, the pair went to school together,
so it's likely that Adas was aware of how old
she was at the time. It's quite ironic because their
attempts to silence. Jane actually did the opposite, and the
story completely blew up, and that cease and desist letter
(20:13):
went viral, and Michayla said it caused the Poles to
scramble and engage real lawyers. So they also released a
statement on YouTube defending themselves and slamming Jane. And it
was at this point in Michayla's YouTube video that she
held the smoking gun because she actually had the unedited
version of the poll's video statement. My jaw was on
(20:34):
the floor when she played some of these unedited parts.
This was the first scene from the unedited video of Attis.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Poul For the most part of the relationship, I barely
thought she was high.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Just not sommed this guy off. This is apparently an
example of his sense of humor. And Michayela was saying
that he thought it'd be hilarious to say something that
he'd get canceled for at the start of the video.
Obviously knew it wouldn't go to air. It has gone
to air now, in the fact that these allegations were
so serious and he thought, oh, I'm going to make
this joke at the start of it. Also, do they
not realize things like that get leaked all the time
(21:11):
they have. And it's interesting because I went to go
watch the original video and Anna Paul's YouTube channel is
no longer available to view. I would have got that
shit down a meeting if I was there when she
first came out with the allegations on Tiktomah. Throughout this
podcast episode, Mikayla was really trying to paint a picture
of how much Anna protected Addas, and these snippets from
(21:32):
the unedited statement really demonstrated it. She really did the
dirty work for her brother, and it's so disturbing that
it appears that she knew the truth and knowingly covered
it up for Adis Now. In the statement that went live,
Anna denied that she and Adas had any knowledge of
the cease and desist letter and that it was the
Pool team who sent it to Jane. In the unedited
(21:53):
version of the video, though, it showed that this was
not the case at all.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
We want to say that we can like a little
bit more. We convinced that lawyer, like we we thought
a video. We would yeah, we pitched that idea to
our lawyer. We would prefer to make a video. So
everyone still has a chance to still give a chance
for because that's what we're doing. We make videos. We commenced.
(22:22):
Please let us try to resolve this with our selves
with a video before a human. So so we pitched
her a lawyer that we want to make this right
with a video rather than legal action.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
I think Mikayla's commentary really summed it up. The pool's team.
We didn't have a team. We never had a pool team.
The team didn't exist.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
I just was sitting on his laptop making the fake email,
sending it off, sending it to our address.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
He was he was doing all of it all right. Well,
I could think about when I was watching This unedited
version is Anna's most recent statement that went viral regarding
Mikayla's original claims. Imagine getting the unedited version of that.
It shocks me that someone as famous and rich as
Anna Paul doesn't have her own team. I mean, it's
pretty clear that the family sat around like they had
(23:18):
previously done to try and work out this awful apology.
But just that she doesn't have a team. She's watching
that video. She does not habitat. She runs a business
with Sam Maignan as a PR company. I think Sam
had nothing to do with it. I think they did.
I don't think that he did, and he probably trying
to distance himself from all of this as it's blowing up.
But what I'm saying is, surely they would have spoken
(23:38):
to someone and got some advice. Do you think any
expert would have given them that advice for her to
say what she did in the TikTok? I think that
maybe they've been given advice and they're too arrogant to
take it on board. No, no, but they I think
that they're so caught up in thinking that everyone loves
them and it's just going to blow over and everyone's
not going to believe Michayla. I think it gives more
of an insight into the fact that maybe this family
(23:59):
is as powerful as everybody thinks they are. I would
put a lot of money on the fact that they
would be now sitting with a crisis pr management team
working out their next steps from here. Now. The levels
at the polls allegedly went to silence a sixteen year
oldgol were very disturbing. Mikayla claims that Adas purchase bots
and sent them to Jane's account for two reasons. So
(24:22):
the first was to try and get Jane's Instagram account
taken down by Instagram so she would stop posting receipts
about him. The second was to try and paint Jane
as a fame hungry cloud chaser. So Jane had sixty
thousand followers at the time after sharing the season desist letter.
And this part of the strategy worked, particularly after Anna
said this in her statement on YouTube.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
And even this morning she was buying life and followers
on her Instagram, which this is irrelevant, pet shit, right,
But when it comes into the story of her doing
this for wrong intentions, it makes complete sense. You know,
having a.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Large she's not doing she does. She didn't buy followers.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
To get her voice out there, because followers they're not
real people, right. She just wants a bigger number next
to her name, which is why we think this whole
thing started in the first place. As old friends have said,
she's jealous of the fame that Mikaylibert. A lot of
petty stuff, and it's just unfortunate that this very petty
person and very petty situation has blown.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Up to such a large extent. It's just completely fucked
the manipulation.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
You know, she's buying followers now she has now wanted
to come out with her own business endeavor. Literally one
day after this whole happened, she's now saying that she
wants to come out with her own business endeavor, literally.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Just after this. I'll take my hat off to them.
It was definitely a very clever and strategic move to
do that and to plant a seed of doubt in
people's mind as to what her intentions were. Extremely unethical, oh,
completely completely unethical, the wrong thing to do. But I
was so fascinated by this concept of bot war was
because mc kayla was saying that she's had people send
(26:01):
her bots. She sent bots to other people. It seems
like some of the influencers due to discredit people. Yeah,
it seemed just like this common tactic and it was
more like, Oh, it's really annoying because I've got to
remove all of these bots. It does blow my mind
that everyone was okay at the time with Anna sending
millions of her followers to bully a sixteen year old girl, Like, yeah,
her tone about her even in there were snippets where
(26:24):
she was like this little girl, and then she'd have
to rephrase and be like a sixteen year old girl
it's ironic that they're calling her a little girl, and
also quite disturbing considering what she's accused. Otis all, yeah, exactly,
Well it's like your brother was dating this little girl. Yeah, well,
things couldn't get any worse, Mikayla added this unedited snippet.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
So we decided to drive to her house to tell
her to please stop spreading our address. And when I
say meat, and when I say we, I mean myself
at us, Glenn, Glenn's older sister, Glenn's sister, and their
family friends. So it was five of us. It was
five adults going to confront a fourteen year old. And
(27:05):
I fully understand how that is just inappropriate being older. Now,
that is something that we shouldn't have done. Like I
realized that we did it to intimidate her, but comment,
she's fourteen. But okay, because we have to take accountability,
I'm going to say we didn't talk. We were just there.
We were just there to support.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
I mean the fact that they thought that that was
okay to put out. Oh, there were five adults there
to intimidate a fourteen year old, and that addis is like,
probably shouldn't say that. I mean, what is going on,
why is Anna putting her career on the line to
protect her brother so much? Well, again, it sounded like
the whole house revolved around Addis Paul. It made me
(27:44):
feel so sick hearing Addis coaching Anna what to say.
It's like, You've got a sister here whose career is
on the line because of something that you've done. It's
important to know that Addis Paul and Mikayla Tester also
featured in this video, but it was really Anna taking
the rap for it because she has the biggest profile.
I suppose she had the most to protect in this situation,
but it's also a pretty strategic move to use her
(28:05):
because she is so likable. Yeah, with her coming up
and defending him, people are like, okay, it must be true.
And Nakayla touched on the fact that she felt really
guilty for her part in this video. But we've got
to remember soundly she has being completely gaslit about this
whole situation. She said she had Stockholm syndrome, and this
is something that people with Stockholm syndrome do, they port
their abuses. We've got to remember as well that this
(28:27):
situation with Jane took place several years before Mikayla even
came onto the scene, so she was just believing what
the polls were telling her and obviously wanted to think
the best of her partner now. Despite the attempts to
intimidate and silence Jane, to her credit, the sixteen year
old did not back down, so she released a statement
to her Instagram that read, to anyone normalizing thirteen year
(28:50):
olds dating sixteen year olds, plus, I hope you give
the same energy to your youngest siblings if she finds
herself in that position. Better yet, your future child. Dating
is a time in my life that has been very
detrimental to my mental health and self esteem. Post healing
from the breakup, it took me well over a year
to fully recover from all the built up manipulation, lies,
(29:11):
and gas lighting I'd been fed and susceptible to. I
believed I was mature at the time, but I had
to deal with the emotional aspect for longer than the relationship.
He told me how to act, what music I should
listen to, what to wear and post so I don't
come off too young, and when people say I would
look older, that would give him a lot of satisfaction.
But my self image was me trying to be several
(29:33):
years older and more mature than I was, engaging in
underage drinking, drugs, sex, etc. With Addis Paul, I lost
a lot of my true identity, young and innocent throughout this,
and mental challenges faced being with the presence of their
family and the pedestal they put themselves on. Years after
healing from this, I felt no need to speak on
this as I've grown, But once again I chose to
(29:55):
be silent, And now I choose to voice against your
pathetic attempt to silence me and save your career when
I wasn't coming through it in the first place. Taking
accountability would serve you better than threatening to destroy me
in court. But that's the morally correct thing to do.
But your morals clearly aren't in check. The truth is
spilling out. But hey, at least I'm not silenced. Speak up,
you were heard. What a powerful statement. I think. The
(30:17):
thing that's most shocking is all of these allegations seem
to just disappear. Everyone seemed to forget about them. Anna
and Addis's career exploded. Remember we spoke about this metamorphosis
of Addis Paul and he turned into this guy who
liked painting and horse riding, and he seemed really sweet.
He was a background character to Anna's videos because he
(30:38):
stopped posting on social media and it was actually good
for him to only be the background character. And you
talk about Anna's success her meet and greet shut down
the CBD in Perth, and when you look back at
those photos, you see Adis there around a bunch of
underage girls signing people's heads. As MICHAELA said, no one
(30:58):
had a problem with him being around all these young girl.
It would have been so tough for Jane sitting back
and watching this happen, because you've put your heart and
soul out there, You've explained what's gone on, and you
probably would feel like no one believed you. Yeah, And
when you look back at what went down in twenty
twenty one between Jane and Addis, you just wonder how
the polls were even able to reach that level of success.
(31:18):
I mean, it kind of just shows as a society
and also media wise, that people were just willing to
overlook the claims.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Well.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
I think it's because the mainstream media only really picked
up on who Anna Paul was when she shut down
Perth CBD and a lot of the time media don't
really want to put the effort into these influencer stories
because I think it's just some trashy thing. I mean,
we've seen that play out recently last month, when Mikayla
Tester started making all these allegations, the media were all
(31:47):
over it. But now when allegations and very serious ones
have been leveled at an influencer who is a male,
no one can be stuff to put in the groundwork
to uncover what is going on. From having worked in
the media, I think think there are a few reasons
why the mainstream media is not picking up in this story,
and I think a lot of it has to do
with the fact of who these people are. I think
(32:07):
that if you look into newspaper journalism, for example, there
are a lot of older journalists who might not understand
what a big pop culture story this is, but they
understood it a month ago, how big this was. I mean,
that's why all the publications were picking up on that.
But they're picking up on stuff that they can easily
report on. They're not wanting to do the groundwork in
order to actually release this story in the newspaper. There's
(32:30):
a lot of legalities around it. I mean, you can't
just come out and say this person did X, Y
and Z. And there was a really interesting documentary that
was released a few years ago on Belle Gibson and
it showed the efforts of one reporter to expose her,
and it also spoke about how the media actually have
this huge responsibility when they're promoting people like Bell Gibson
and Anna Paul and Addis Paul, and how often journalists
(32:53):
don't actually look into the full story. Like with Bell Gibson,
for example, her friend had been trying to expose her
for months. She'd been emailing numerous journalists about this story,
and a lot of people just said to well, well,
these are really serious allegations, like we need proof, and
often the onus of proof is placed on the source
of the story. People aren't like journalism is different now.
(33:14):
They don't have the time to spend looking into the stories,
putting it on a plate, you know what I mean,
she's providing all of the receipts necessary, so some of
the receipts, but some of the receipts wouldn't actually hold
up in the journalism world, Like you can't just say, oh,
here's a message of me dming my friend about it.
I also think that it comes down to journalists being
scared and also media organizations not having the money and
(33:36):
power that they once had. They're coming up against people
who also they know have money, so I think that's
why they're a bit reluctant to do it. Let's be realistic.
This is a case of a story is more interesting
to the Australian media if it is a catfight between
two of Australia's biggest only fans. Does they don't want
to report on a guy who has been accused of
(33:57):
domestic violence even though violence against women is such a
serious issue in the country. It's clear. I mean, look
at the Australian media landscape. We've got Ben Cousins on
Dancing with the Stars and then promoted into the AFL
footy commentating team. The media do not care about domestic
violence against women. I mean two minds about it. Because
(34:18):
I also think that sections of the media could potentially
be discrediting Mikayla's claims due to what her profession is,
which is so unfair as she's a sex worker. Maybe
they think that the mainstream media or public aren't going
to take her claim seriously. See, I actually think Anna
being a sex worker and being Australia's most famous sex
worker actually went in her favor in terms of people
(34:41):
not wanting to question her, because I mean I actually
predicted at the start of this year that she would
be canceled because I saw the momentum of how people
reacted to Bonnie Blue when she came to Australia, and
I think we went through this phase of very sex positivity,
very supportive of sex workers, and it got to the
point people didn't want to say anything that went against
(35:02):
her because they would be seen to be being derogatory. Yeah,
at the time, everyone felt a bit too awkward or
like they weren't allowed to question why a sex worker
was becoming a pin up for school age children and
a role model, and that it was inappropriate. I agree,
Kate though, with your comments about the momentum changing, because
(35:23):
even this week I saw that it was highly publicized
that James Brayshaw's son got engaged to an only fans creator. Well,
she is scouted as the most sexually active woman in
Australia and they ran with that. Yeah, and that's the theme.
Headlines were disgusting about this woman. I looked at the
comments section. It was appalling what they were saying about her.
So I feel like it's almost feeling like we've done
(35:43):
a full one eighty and we've gone back to what
we were, which I don't think is a good place either.
We won progression and acceptance of sex work as a career,
but I think the way it has been put on
a pedestal recently, I mean, and directed at children as
being a job that maybe teenagers should aspire to. Yeah,
because Mikayla Tester spoke about how she would not want
her children following in her footsteps and doing sex work,
(36:06):
whereas she played a clip of Anna Paul saying that
she thinks it's this great profession and you know, people
should look into it. Essentially, I think what's so fascinating
about this whole story is that in twenty twenty five,
it really shows you just how powerful social media is
compared to the mainstream media. Well, it's like citizen journalism really,
because Mikayla has managed to get her story out. She
(36:28):
didn't have to go to a herald son and give
it to them exclusively. And let's be real, I mean,
how many gen Z's or millennials actually still read the newspapers.
Her going straight to YouTube, she could air any claims
that she wanted. She didn't actually have to stick to
the legalities or you know, the journalist rules of what
they can include and what they can't, and she can
control the narratives. Yeah, and you can see how she
(36:51):
has been able to tell her story on YouTube and
it has gone straight to her audience. People are posting
this all over TikTok. There are really no rules people
of following when they're talking about this story as well. Yeah,
I mean, the only publication that wrote an overview of
Mikayla Tester's podcast was Pedestrian, and I wonder if they
had any illegal trouble because the article was removed for
(37:12):
a few days and then it returned. I actually didn't
see the original article, so I don't know if they
had to tweak anything. But to me, it does really
demonstrate the copycat nature of the media, where people no
longer come up with story ideas, they just copy what's
going around. So a month ago, when these initial claims
first came out, you had every media publication writing about
(37:33):
it because they're like, oh, just copywnews dot Com wrote,
oh that's okay, I'll copy what Mama Mia wrote, and
it was all just the same thing. But everyone was
writing about it. But because not one big publication has
come out and wanted to touch this, the other ones
are like, oh okay, nothing's a copy up. I'm gonna
have to go listen to that tour podcast because I
have heard there are a number of media organizations who
they have literally been given the directive from staff above,
(37:56):
like do not print stories where we're gonna get sued.
She don't have the budget. I mean, you can see
how the media is slowly dying. There's not as much
money in it, so people aren't wanting to stick their
neck on the line and to print stories like this.
We're too out for the polls because I personally don't
know if they can return from this. I don't think
that they can come back from this. I might be
(38:18):
naive in saying that, but this is just one installment
of a number of YouTube videos that Mikayla is planning
and putting out against the polls, and I feel like
she's still got some big things to drop. I just
wish they'd put it in the movies. Like the eras
too like you could go to gold class and sit
and watch. The people were saying that it was almost
too long. I saw a few people on TikTok joking,
(38:39):
could someone just you know, make this The reason I
think the media hasn't touched it because I think the
journal is like, I'm not sitting down for two and
a half hours to watch this. I think the only
way Anna could potentially recover from this is if she
adopts the strategy that Taylor Swift did when she was
being called a snake by Kim Kardashian, and also what
l Dharby did recently, because a couple of years ago,
(38:59):
all these old racist tweets and homophobic and fat phobic
tweets that l Darby made when she was a teenager
re emerged and she was absolutely canceled. So she just
went offline for around eight months to a year and
then returned, and she obviously had to paint the full
story that she was a different person. Blah blah blah.
I think that's the only way Anna can return. Surprisingly though,
(39:21):
I thought she would have lost more followers on TikTok
and Instagram because I had a look at social Blade
and over the last thirty days she's lost one hundred
and five thousand on Instagram and two hundred thousand on TikTok. Initially,
when the scandal broke, she lost over a million followers
on TikTok. Do you think people are sticking around to
see if there's another terrible apology view? I mean, it's
(39:44):
sort of like watching a car crash, isn't it. Like
it's become this sport of almost disliking Anna paul and
engaging in a negative way with her content. So it's
still getting engagement, But I mean, you know, at the
end of the day, I think it's right, kay. I
think that they will have to disappear for a considerable
amount of time. But how do you do that when
you've got a business, Paulie Skin, you've got a business partner,
(40:04):
You've probably got you know, promotions in the work that
you're supposed to be doing. People Really awkward for them,
isn't it. People have been saying on TikTok that they
have seen a lot more paulyads recently, whether they've pumped
money into advertising. She's been quite active on Paulie's TikTok,
and people have been hypothesizing that they're really trying to
test the market there. I would love to know the
sale stats, Like can you just imagine the massive dive.
(40:27):
One thing that she can't do is return to TikTok
as if nothing has happened again, do you reckon at
this point in time, at the Paul HQ, they're trying
to find some incriminating evidence against Mikayla. You know the
way that Mikayla had the I don't think that, but
do you reckon? They are, Like I'm just trying to
think from seeing how they've worked in the past, they're
(40:49):
probably trying to find a video where they've got Mikayla
saying something unto Walls. I keep back that way. Probably.
I'm personally really interested to see when this next podcast
drops because at the start of this episode, Mikayla, as
we mentioned, said that she had not heard from the
poll's legal team. But I do think that potentially now
that may have changed. Well, that is where we're going
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Before we get into the episode, we want to issue
a trigger warning as we touch on issues around domestic
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your dose of the hottest influencer and pop culture news
twice a week. I'm Sophie Torbert and we have a
big episode today. We are going to be unpacking the
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Mikayla Tester and Anna and Addas Pol drama that has
exploded on YouTube over the weekend. So, Mikayla Tester has
shared some very disturbing insights into her relationship with the
Pol family. In a two and a half hour podcast
episode shared to YouTube, the Only Fans creator leveled some
very serious allegations against the TikTok stars. Before we get
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into it, we want to reiterate that at this stage,
these are just allegations that are being made by Mikayla Tester.
The poles have not yet weighed in officially. Now, Kate,
can you get us up to speed with what actually
led to this podcast in the first place. So, last month,
Mikayla released an eight minute expose on Anna and Attis Paul,
which caused the Internet to explode. So for some background,
(01:04):
Mikayla dated at us for several years before they broke
up in twenty twenty two, and within the first weeks
of dating, Mikayla moved in with a Paul family and
really did become a family member. Well. She was particularly
close with Anna and they labeled each other best friends. Yeah,
they were all very close. So initially on TikTok, Mikayla
leveled serious allegations against Adis, which we have not been
(01:25):
able to report on for legal reasons. But those allegations
are all over TikTok and have not been censored, so
I think everyone is up to speed what those allegations are.
Pouls are yet to actually address any of those allegations. No,
when Anna put out her apology, she didn't touch on
anything to do with her brother.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
No.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Yeah. Well, as for the claims against Anna, Mikayla accused
her of incentivizing her underage fan base to sign up
to her OnlyFans account with the lure of a cash giveaway,
lying about growing up poor, as well as calling a
fan fat and sweaty, and in a statement, Anna claimed
that she felt poor at the time and that she
called the fan sweaty but not fat. Now, Michayla started
(02:01):
the podcast by providing some disclaimers, and the first being
that she is not in trouble legally. She also confirmed
that the Paul's legal team have not contacted her, and
I felt that this was a really clever move by
Mikayla to strengthen her claims, as when it comes to defamation,
the truth is a defense. I thought that was really
interesting insight into how the Paul family work, because I
(02:22):
think everybody assumed looking in that they would have been
completely lawyered up, that they would have reached out to
Mikayla Tester. Yeah, it's not really a good look, is
it now. The second disclaimer that Michayla put out there
was that the podcast was not being monetized, and that's
despite the fact that she had been offered paid opportunities.
She was also offered to appear on a number of
other podcasts, but she made the decision not to monetize
(02:44):
it because she said she didn't want to profit off
trauma and abuse, which I thought was a really good move. Yeah,
it's a very clever strategic move because it makes her
claims more valid as well. Yeah, and I think she
was predicting that a lot of people would go on
TikTok and say, oh, she's full of shit because she's
making money off this podcast. I do think an alternative
move that she could have made was actually to monetize it,
(03:05):
but say that all of the money was going to
a woman's charity. Sometimes that opens up the door for
people to scrutinize father, like it's the wrong charity, or
she hasn't given the full amount, or you know, remember
when Sarah's Day raised that money for bushfire victims, And
even though she did donate all of the money, everyone's
like she didn't do it soon enough. Yeah, well, sadly,
the final disclaimer came in the form of Michayla saying
(03:28):
that she's not the perfect victim. So Mikayla gave some
insight into her childhood. She explained that she grew up
in an abusive environment with a teen mum who was
a drug addict and also a stepdad who abused her.
What I found fascinating is she spoke about how she
was one of seven kids and that she grew up
quote dirt broke and wouldn't have food because her mum
(03:48):
spent money on drugs. And it just made me think
about how annoyed she must have been sitting there. Well,
Anna Paul was trying to perpetuate this image that she
grew up paor when that was actually Michayla's reality. It
really it seems like Anna was cosplaying Mikayla's life and
using her personal stories to build this narrative about herself
that would garner sympathy and interest. He was so sad
(04:09):
because Michayla also touched on the fact that she finally
met her biological father when she was fourteen, but sadly,
he died of cancer when she was eighteen. Yeah, that
really broke my heart because it felt like she was
finally in a good place with her dad and then
that happened. I do think it was really clever of
the way that she prefaced her childhood at the start
of this video so listeners could actually make sense of
(04:31):
her actions. And it did upset me that she kept
having to apologize and say that she blamed herself, because
it's clear throughout her life she has been a victim
of abuse. I was just in aura of how she
was able to speak so confidently in this video and
how likable she came across. Sadly, I think if she
hadn't made all of these disclaimers, though, there would be
a section of people who would say that she's just
(04:52):
as bad for perhaps being a bystander in this because
I mean, we will go further into it, but she
played unseen videos, but you can hear her voice in
the background having directions. It was quite interesting because she
also said that she thinks that she suffered from Stockholm
syndrome during this experience with the polls, which we will
further dive into. But yeah, there were a lot of
disclaimers which were very important. I think I do want
(05:14):
to applaud Makayla because it would have been hard opening
up about her personal life, but it was really clever
because it made you empathize with her and understand what
triggered her to call out Anna on claiming that she
grew up poor. And I really enjoyed the receipts that
Mikayla provided in this YouTube to prove that Anna did
not grow up poor. Not only did she label Anna's
claims as a sham, a light, and an exaggeration, she
(05:37):
shared countless photos to back up her claims. I think
the most damning ones were the ones of Anna and
Adis as kids living in the waterfront home, and then
later on as teenagers showing that they were in that
same home. I just loved her pointing out she's like
brand name, brand name. They always had Starbucks, they were
out for cafes with their mom. My favorite one was
when she was saying, oh, Anna thinks that she grew
(05:58):
up poor because her first carve a hold an aster.
And then Mikayla ended up bringing up a Google Maps
photo from back in the day showing the family van
that she used to have to drive to school in
which looked like I had was broken down, like it's
seen better days. Oh that made me laugh. The crazy
thing is all of these photos were readily available on
Anna's own Instagram account, Like why did she not delete them?
(06:21):
And how come it's only until now that these have
been brought up. Look after this whole ordeal, you think
you'd go and do a bit of a delete on Instagram?
Would Yeah? But is it that she's so delusional that
she thinks that that was growing up Paul? She is
she trying to claim that a lot of the designer
goods were fake? Because didn't you say that a dead
Hans used to go to garage sales or sell fake
(06:41):
style and that she sat on first class but she
was only there for a second or something. I mean,
maybe she doesn't think Michael Kore's is as good as
a Rolex. You have you guys seen those tiktoks popping
up and it's a guy who's imitating Addis Paul his
videos from twenty twenty two, and it's like, I am
so rich, fuck you all like this and how rich
I am? This is my twenty one million dollar watch.
(07:02):
I think what was so apparent during this video is
how clever Mikayla test is because she understands Anna's fan
base and what an absolute ace it would be if
she had the backing of Anna's beloved ex, Glenn Thompson.
And not only did Mikayla reveal that Glenn helped her
during her personal experiences of abuse, but that he also
(07:23):
supports her. Now. He sounded so lovely, like you just
got a vibe that he was that one person that
Michayla could have actually confided in during that experience. And
she was really respectful of Glenn, which I think was
another strategic move because she knew if she started outing
all of her text messages between Glenn. Then that would
not be seen favorably with our fan. It would also
get Glenn offside as well, and that lend to more
(07:44):
drama where maybe he could have provided receipts about Mikayla Well.
She ended up sharing screenshots from a conversation with him
that supported her claims. Mikayla also alleged that Anna constantly
fat shamed Glenn.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
This is what she said Anna behind Glenn's back to
me and my entire friend group that we were we had,
you know, Anna, Me, Lilith, Chloe Bailey. She would call
Glenn fat on the daily. She'd call him fat every
single day. She'd fat shame him. She'd fat shame him
with her mom. It was mostly like attis Anna Mama.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
This was the times that I recall in person her
saying this. She'd be talking shit in German about Glenn.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Okay, I heard it, and I also heard her just
talking shit to me and my friend group in English
as well about Glenn being fat. It was very fucked
to witness, and I'm swear to God no word of lie.
She was saying this about Glenn and Glenn's family for years,
like one time she came back from a trip in
Balley with Glenn and all of Glenn's family members, and
she had made a really fucked up comment about how
(08:43):
they wear shower curtains to the day clubs and Anna's
in a Bikinian it feels so awkward because they're so fat,
and she literally thinks that his family's jealous of her.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
It was just really bizarre, like she'd be.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
It was just like.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
An unspoken thing that attis her and Mama hated Glenn's family,
and it was always like a them verse, like their
family verse.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Glenn's family sort of thing. Like it was just really
fucking weird. Michayla's obviously putting this out there because she's
trying to back up her original claim saying that Anna
called a fan fat, so she's trying to demonstrate that
this is a pattern of behavior and language that she
used quite comfortably. It's particularly awkward because for a number
of years Anna Paul portrayed herself as this body positivity advocate,
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and the fact that Glenn lost so much weight after
he and Anna broke up, it really makes you think,
what about when Michaela said that the whole family had
to take part in fasting as this plot to make
Glenn thinner without making him feel bad, and then Michaela
said that she ended up getting this eating disorderfied. I
also thought it was interesting when Michayla said that Anna
would lose it if they went to Starbucks and apparently
(09:48):
Glenn would order a particularly sugary drink and she'd be like, no,
he has to have this one. Like it just painted
such a picture. And it's these little details that just
make her story seem so believable because she just couldn't
make this shit up. Yeah, I can't stop thinking about
the fact that Anna continued to push this narrative that
her and Glenn were still best friends after the breakup
and their families would spend Christmas together. Also Anna giving
(10:10):
Glenn the car, Well, well, we spoke about this on
the podcast when they were pretending to be friends, and
I said, this is bullshit. At the time, no one
is that close to there. It's all very sas now,
throughout this whole saga, we have had to be really
careful on how we report on the allegations. Mikayla has
leveled it addis Paul as they are of a serious nature.
After viewing the public court documents that appeared in Michayla's video. Though,
(10:33):
what we can legally say is it appears Adis was
sentenced in the district Court on the eighth of May
twenty twenty three. It is unclear the terms of the sentencing.
To be transparent, we have applied to the court to
view the sentencing document, but at the time of the recording,
we have not received it. It takes seven business days,
so we are hoping to receive the documents soon. What
has caused some confusion though, is that Adis appeared in
(10:55):
court under his real name, which is actually Johanna's Theodore Paul.
What does asas come from there? And that's what I'm
so confused about. Is it because it's Johannes Attis, Like
I don't understand when did he change his name and why?
It's very yes, And a lot of people have been
wondering why the media haven't really been on this story.
And I wonder if the media were searching under Addis Paul.
(11:16):
And I love though that michaela went as far as
to show Addis's Medicare card as proof that this actually
was his REALCAU. There would be so many people being like,
that's not even his name, someone else. We will go
into it in more detail a little bit later, but
his name Johanna's Paul actually appeared on the season desist
letter that he sent his ex girlfriend. Interestingly, the timing
(11:36):
of Addis's appearance at the sentencing hearing coincided with him
leaving social media. So in late April twenty twenty three,
Addis vanished from social media after uploading a very cryptic
video of himself walking around at nights smoking. He had
also unfollowed all of his friends on Instagram, and he
shared a statement at the time saying social media had
(11:57):
destroyed his mental health and the Internet was treating him
like an evil villain. A week later, he then appeared
in front of the district court for sentencing. So it's
very interesting timing, isn't it. I think the most chilling
allegations came at the hour mark of this podcast. So
Michayla shared her personal experiences with manipulation and abuse within
the Paul family. She also detailed disturbing accounts of alleged
(12:21):
domestic and emotional abuse and cohersion. So Michayla spoke in
depth about an incident at the Paul family house, and
this is where Adis allegedly held a knife to his
throat and threatened to harm himself if she left. I
was actually watching this alone late at night, Reese had
gone to bed, and I actually got quite scared because
the way she told the story, it felt like you
(12:42):
were there and watching her all unfold, or she was
sort of re enacting what happened almost. Mickayla also alleged
that she was financially abused by Adas Paul So. According
to Michayla, he was in the process of starting up
an OnlyFans management company when she first started dating him,
and the plan was for him to met Anna's friends
on the platform. Mikayla claims that Anna and Adas persuaded
(13:05):
her to let Addis manage her OnlyFans and it wasn't
long until Attis was taking a fifty percent cut for
doing minimal work. And when I say minimal work, according
to Michayla, the extent of his management was telling her
what color lingerie to wear to put her into perspective.
When she was nineteen, she was earning one hundred and
twenty thousand dollars a month from OnlyFans, so Addis Paul
(13:26):
was taking sixty thousand dollars a month. She also claimed
that when she threatened to cut Adis off from the earnings,
he would threaten suicide and the situation would turn abusive.
So in one instance, Mikayla alleges, while driving with Addas,
he slammed on the brakes of his car, causing her
to hit her head on the windshield. Mikayla did preface
during this part of the YouTube that when she first
(13:47):
met Adis, she had a far bigger profile than him,
because I think there is this narrative online that she
used the polls and she moved in with them to
grow her own career. But her career was doing really well.
She already had a manager. She didn't need another manner. Yeah,
And what I found particularly difficult to listen to was
when Mikayla spoke about how Anna and Adas's mother, who
she referred to as Mama, were allegedly complicit in all
(14:09):
of this. So Mikayla claims that Anna and Mama enabled
Addis's behavior. She said that Anna was always defensive of
Adas and excused his behavior despite witnessing this alleged abuse.
According to Mikayla. Anna would emotionally blackmail her to stay
with Adas, saying things like you're the one that can
get through to him, no joke, the things you say
to him could save his life. I saw this TikTok
(14:32):
pop up focusing on the poll's mom and saying, what
was mama thinking? In the sense of obviously all of
the people involved in the story apart from her were
very young and like there was actually an adult in
this situation who was just watching this all happen allegedly, Yeah,
and Anna's involvement, like they were talking about how she
was allegedly recruiting her friends to date Addis and encouraging
(14:53):
Michayla today Addis so that they could be sisters. Like
it was all very odd and was very clear that
they wanted to recruit as many women as possible to
potentially join this onlyfan management team, because clearly it was
a way to make huge money during the pandem. It
was a way for Adas to make money because his
sister is there making a lot of money off OnlyFans,
and people weren't really interested at the time in subscribing
(15:16):
to a guy doing OnlyFans, and what really shoped listeners
was when Mikayla revealed just how close Addis and Anna's
relationship was in regard to OnlyFans. So she said that
there was this weird dynamic between Anna, Addis and Mama,
and in her opinion, it seemed like they were all
co dependent because allegedly they wouldn't spend more than a
couple of hours apart. It was actually really difficult for
(15:38):
Michayla to spend alone time with Adis without his mum
or sister there. They were, in fact, so close that
Mikayla alleged that Addis shot Anna's only fans content that
was absolutely fucked and particularly because she backed it up
by showing one of the photos that Adas took and
saying that he actually also filmed content where Mikayla and
Anna did collaborations where presumably they performed sex act. It
(16:00):
was whatever. It was one of those moments where I
was like, I don't think the Paul family can come
back to this, especially becaus has been so many rumors
about how close Anna and Ashes. Well, there's this video
floating around on TikTok that Anna uploaded last year that
has not aged well in light of Mikayla's allegations, Let's
play it.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
My brother is my soulmate, and we are so close
that in high school there was a roomor going around
that apparently we sleep together, because I think teenagers they
see a girl and the boy close and they're like,
oh my god, sex right the guys, what's going on?
And I'm twenty five and he's twenty three, and we
are so inseparable.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
We've reached us mind.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
He's literally my twin.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Most brothers would refuse to take a nice photo of
their sister, let alone their sister undressing or in these
positions like, it's just wild to me that this allegedly
went on. Now. Towards the end of the podcast, Mikayla
alleged that in twenty twenty one, Adas Paul tried to
silence his ex girlfriend. We have decided not to name
her as she was underage at the time. For the
(16:54):
purpose of the podcast, we will call her Jane. We
actually did cover this story back in twenty twenty one,
and finally it was our introduction to the Poll family.
I actually listened back to the episode to prep for today,
and I was so embarrassed. It definitely was our first
introduction to the polls because sometimes we referred to him
as Addis and other times we referred to him as artists,
and I was like, oh my god. After that episode dropped,
(17:17):
we actually received a message from Mikayla tester threatening to
sue us, which shows what a full circle moment this
all is. Yeah, it really does. Now. This whole saga
started back in twenty twenty one, as we said earlier,
when a then sixteen year old Jane made a TikTok
about dating an older man who she said took advantage
of her. Jane didn't refer to the man by name,
(17:38):
but it led people from their hometown to speculate in
the comments that she was talking about. At us. To
provide some context, Jane alleges that she was thirteen when
she dated a then sixteen year old Attis. Now off
the back of this TikTok, Mikayla alleges that Addis created
a fake email address and message Jane, pretending to be
a brand manager, all in a bid to obtain her
(18:01):
address to send a cease and desist letter. Mikayla also
claimed that Addis wrote the letter himself, and upon receiving
the letter Jane immediately shared it to her Instagram story
and commented how poorly it was written. She was right,
it was very clear that this was not written by
a lawyer. What is with all these influences pretending to
be lawyers, Like, surely they have enough money to just
(18:23):
seek legal help us.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Well.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
The letter stated that if Jane didn't immediately stop making
false and slanderous claims against Adis Paul, that a defamation
lawsuit would commence against her. Interestingly, as I said earlier,
the letter referred to Adis by his real name, Johannes Paul.
One line that really stood out to me in the
letter was you must not make false accusations of being
a victim and accusing Johanna's Paul of pedophilia grooming as
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if it was not consentual. Now, in Queensland, the age
of consent for having sex is sixteen, so if you
are under sixteen, you legally cannot give consent. So for
this legal letter to say, oh, you can't call me
a pedophile as if it wasn't consentsual, well, you actually
can't give consent at the age of sixteen, so it
is a criminal offense to engage in sexual activity with
(19:10):
a child under sixteen. Queensland laws apply to a range
of sexual activity, including sexual penetration and touching a person
in a sexual way, for example, on their breast. Now,
there was a picture of Attis and Jane when she
was in year eight when she was thirteen, and he
was in year twelve when he was sixteen, and he's
groping her breast. The photo was taken by Anna Paul.
(19:30):
This went viral at the time on social meid. It's
even more proof that this letter wasn't written by a lawyer.
The fact that this person who wrote this letter clearly
doesn't understand Queensland's laws for one, and the wording is
so off. Yeah, I mean a lawyer would never make
a comment using consent as a defense when it's not
a legal defense. In Queensland. The only defense that can
be considered is if the child is over the age
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of twelve and the accused believed on reasonable grounds that
the child was above the age of sixteen. In a
case of Attis and Jane, the pair went to school together,
so it's likely that Adas was aware of how old
she was at the time. It's quite ironic because their
attempts to silence. Jane actually did the opposite, and the
story completely blew up, and that cease and desist letter
(20:13):
went viral, and Michayla said it caused the Poles to
scramble and engage real lawyers. So they also released a
statement on YouTube defending themselves and slamming Jane. And it
was at this point in Michayla's YouTube video that she
held the smoking gun because she actually had the unedited
version of the poll's video statement. My jaw was on
(20:34):
the floor when she played some of these unedited parts.
This was the first scene from the unedited video of Attis.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Poul For the most part of the relationship, I barely
thought she was high.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Just not sommed this guy off. This is apparently an
example of his sense of humor. And Michayela was saying
that he thought it'd be hilarious to say something that
he'd get canceled for at the start of the video.
Obviously knew it wouldn't go to air. It has gone
to air now, in the fact that these allegations were
so serious and he thought, oh, I'm going to make
this joke at the start of it. Also, do they
not realize things like that get leaked all the time
(21:11):
they have. And it's interesting because I went to go
watch the original video and Anna Paul's YouTube channel is
no longer available to view. I would have got that
shit down a meeting if I was there when she
first came out with the allegations on Tiktomah. Throughout this
podcast episode, Mikayla was really trying to paint a picture
of how much Anna protected Addas, and these snippets from
(21:32):
the unedited statement really demonstrated it. She really did the
dirty work for her brother, and it's so disturbing that
it appears that she knew the truth and knowingly covered
it up for Adis Now. In the statement that went live,
Anna denied that she and Adas had any knowledge of
the cease and desist letter and that it was the
Pool team who sent it to Jane. In the unedited
(21:53):
version of the video, though, it showed that this was
not the case at all.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
We want to say that we can like a little
bit more. We convinced that lawyer, like we we thought
a video. We would yeah, we pitched that idea to
our lawyer. We would prefer to make a video. So
everyone still has a chance to still give a chance
for because that's what we're doing. We make videos. We commenced.
(22:22):
Please let us try to resolve this with our selves
with a video before a human. So so we pitched
her a lawyer that we want to make this right
with a video rather than legal action.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
I think Mikayla's commentary really summed it up. The pool's team.
We didn't have a team. We never had a pool team.
The team didn't exist.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
I just was sitting on his laptop making the fake email,
sending it off, sending it to our address.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
He was he was doing all of it all right. Well,
I could think about when I was watching This unedited
version is Anna's most recent statement that went viral regarding
Mikayla's original claims. Imagine getting the unedited version of that.
It shocks me that someone as famous and rich as
Anna Paul doesn't have her own team. I mean, it's
pretty clear that the family sat around like they had
(23:18):
previously done to try and work out this awful apology.
But just that she doesn't have a team. She's watching
that video. She does not habitat. She runs a business
with Sam Maignan as a PR company. I think Sam
had nothing to do with it. I think they did.
I don't think that he did, and he probably trying
to distance himself from all of this as it's blowing up.
But what I'm saying is, surely they would have spoken
(23:38):
to someone and got some advice. Do you think any
expert would have given them that advice for her to
say what she did in the TikTok? I think that
maybe they've been given advice and they're too arrogant to
take it on board. No, no, but they I think
that they're so caught up in thinking that everyone loves
them and it's just going to blow over and everyone's
not going to believe Michayla. I think it gives more
of an insight into the fact that maybe this family
(23:59):
is as powerful as everybody thinks they are. I would
put a lot of money on the fact that they
would be now sitting with a crisis pr management team
working out their next steps from here. Now. The levels
at the polls allegedly went to silence a sixteen year
oldgol were very disturbing. Mikayla claims that Adas purchase bots
and sent them to Jane's account for two reasons. So
(24:22):
the first was to try and get Jane's Instagram account
taken down by Instagram so she would stop posting receipts
about him. The second was to try and paint Jane
as a fame hungry cloud chaser. So Jane had sixty
thousand followers at the time after sharing the season desist letter.
And this part of the strategy worked, particularly after Anna
said this in her statement on YouTube.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
And even this morning she was buying life and followers
on her Instagram, which this is irrelevant, pet shit, right,
But when it comes into the story of her doing
this for wrong intentions, it makes complete sense. You know,
having a.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Large she's not doing she does. She didn't buy followers.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
To get her voice out there, because followers they're not
real people, right. She just wants a bigger number next
to her name, which is why we think this whole
thing started in the first place. As old friends have said,
she's jealous of the fame that Mikaylibert. A lot of
petty stuff, and it's just unfortunate that this very petty
person and very petty situation has blown.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Up to such a large extent. It's just completely fucked
the manipulation.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
You know, she's buying followers now she has now wanted
to come out with her own business endeavor. Literally one
day after this whole happened, she's now saying that she
wants to come out with her own business endeavor, literally.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Just after this. I'll take my hat off to them.
It was definitely a very clever and strategic move to
do that and to plant a seed of doubt in
people's mind as to what her intentions were. Extremely unethical, oh,
completely completely unethical, the wrong thing to do. But I
was so fascinated by this concept of bot war was
because mc kayla was saying that she's had people send
(26:01):
her bots. She sent bots to other people. It seems
like some of the influencers due to discredit people. Yeah,
it seemed just like this common tactic and it was
more like, Oh, it's really annoying because I've got to
remove all of these bots. It does blow my mind
that everyone was okay at the time with Anna sending
millions of her followers to bully a sixteen year old girl, Like, yeah,
her tone about her even in there were snippets where
(26:24):
she was like this little girl, and then she'd have
to rephrase and be like a sixteen year old girl
it's ironic that they're calling her a little girl, and
also quite disturbing considering what she's accused. Otis all, yeah, exactly,
Well it's like your brother was dating this little girl. Yeah, well,
things couldn't get any worse, Mikayla added this unedited snippet.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
So we decided to drive to her house to tell
her to please stop spreading our address. And when I
say meat, and when I say we, I mean myself
at us, Glenn, Glenn's older sister, Glenn's sister, and their
family friends. So it was five of us. It was
five adults going to confront a fourteen year old. And
(27:05):
I fully understand how that is just inappropriate being older. Now,
that is something that we shouldn't have done. Like I
realized that we did it to intimidate her, but comment,
she's fourteen. But okay, because we have to take accountability,
I'm going to say we didn't talk. We were just there.
We were just there to support.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
I mean the fact that they thought that that was
okay to put out. Oh, there were five adults there
to intimidate a fourteen year old, and that addis is like,
probably shouldn't say that. I mean, what is going on,
why is Anna putting her career on the line to
protect her brother so much? Well, again, it sounded like
the whole house revolved around Addis Paul. It made me
(27:44):
feel so sick hearing Addis coaching Anna what to say.
It's like, You've got a sister here whose career is
on the line because of something that you've done. It's
important to know that Addis Paul and Mikayla Tester also
featured in this video, but it was really Anna taking
the rap for it because she has the biggest profile.
I suppose she had the most to protect in this situation,
but it's also a pretty strategic move to use her
(28:05):
because she is so likable. Yeah, with her coming up
and defending him, people are like, okay, it must be true.
And Nakayla touched on the fact that she felt really
guilty for her part in this video. But we've got
to remember soundly she has being completely gaslit about this
whole situation. She said she had Stockholm syndrome, and this
is something that people with Stockholm syndrome do, they port
their abuses. We've got to remember as well that this
(28:27):
situation with Jane took place several years before Mikayla even
came onto the scene, so she was just believing what
the polls were telling her and obviously wanted to think
the best of her partner now. Despite the attempts to
intimidate and silence Jane, to her credit, the sixteen year
old did not back down, so she released a statement
to her Instagram that read, to anyone normalizing thirteen year
(28:50):
olds dating sixteen year olds, plus, I hope you give
the same energy to your youngest siblings if she finds
herself in that position. Better yet, your future child. Dating
is a time in my life that has been very
detrimental to my mental health and self esteem. Post healing
from the breakup, it took me well over a year
to fully recover from all the built up manipulation, lies,
(29:11):
and gas lighting I'd been fed and susceptible to. I
believed I was mature at the time, but I had
to deal with the emotional aspect for longer than the relationship.
He told me how to act, what music I should
listen to, what to wear and post so I don't
come off too young, and when people say I would
look older, that would give him a lot of satisfaction.
But my self image was me trying to be several
(29:33):
years older and more mature than I was, engaging in
underage drinking, drugs, sex, etc. With Addis Paul, I lost
a lot of my true identity, young and innocent throughout this,
and mental challenges faced being with the presence of their
family and the pedestal they put themselves on. Years after
healing from this, I felt no need to speak on
this as I've grown, But once again I chose to
(29:55):
be silent, And now I choose to voice against your
pathetic attempt to silence me and save your career when
I wasn't coming through it in the first place. Taking
accountability would serve you better than threatening to destroy me
in court. But that's the morally correct thing to do.
But your morals clearly aren't in check. The truth is
spilling out. But hey, at least I'm not silenced. Speak up,
you were heard. What a powerful statement. I think. The
(30:17):
thing that's most shocking is all of these allegations seem
to just disappear. Everyone seemed to forget about them. Anna
and Addis's career exploded. Remember we spoke about this metamorphosis
of Addis Paul and he turned into this guy who
liked painting and horse riding, and he seemed really sweet.
He was a background character to Anna's videos because he
(30:38):
stopped posting on social media and it was actually good
for him to only be the background character. And you
talk about Anna's success her meet and greet shut down
the CBD in Perth, and when you look back at
those photos, you see Adis there around a bunch of
underage girls signing people's heads. As MICHAELA said, no one
(30:58):
had a problem with him being around all these young girl.
It would have been so tough for Jane sitting back
and watching this happen, because you've put your heart and
soul out there, You've explained what's gone on, and you
probably would feel like no one believed you. Yeah, And
when you look back at what went down in twenty
twenty one between Jane and Addis, you just wonder how
the polls were even able to reach that level of success.
(31:18):
I mean, it kind of just shows as a society
and also media wise, that people were just willing to
overlook the claims.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Well.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
I think it's because the mainstream media only really picked
up on who Anna Paul was when she shut down
Perth CBD and a lot of the time media don't
really want to put the effort into these influencer stories
because I think it's just some trashy thing. I mean,
we've seen that play out recently last month, when Mikayla
Tester started making all these allegations, the media were all
(31:47):
over it. But now when allegations and very serious ones
have been leveled at an influencer who is a male,
no one can be stuff to put in the groundwork
to uncover what is going on. From having worked in
the media, I think think there are a few reasons
why the mainstream media is not picking up in this story,
and I think a lot of it has to do
with the fact of who these people are. I think
(32:07):
that if you look into newspaper journalism, for example, there
are a lot of older journalists who might not understand
what a big pop culture story this is, but they
understood it a month ago, how big this was. I mean,
that's why all the publications were picking up on that.
But they're picking up on stuff that they can easily
report on. They're not wanting to do the groundwork in
order to actually release this story in the newspaper. There's
(32:30):
a lot of legalities around it. I mean, you can't
just come out and say this person did X, Y
and Z. And there was a really interesting documentary that
was released a few years ago on Belle Gibson and
it showed the efforts of one reporter to expose her,
and it also spoke about how the media actually have
this huge responsibility when they're promoting people like Bell Gibson
and Anna Paul and Addis Paul, and how often journalists
(32:53):
don't actually look into the full story. Like with Bell Gibson,
for example, her friend had been trying to expose her
for months. She'd been emailing numerous journalists about this story,
and a lot of people just said to well, well,
these are really serious allegations, like we need proof, and
often the onus of proof is placed on the source
of the story. People aren't like journalism is different now.
(33:14):
They don't have the time to spend looking into the stories,
putting it on a plate, you know what I mean,
she's providing all of the receipts necessary, so some of
the receipts, but some of the receipts wouldn't actually hold
up in the journalism world, Like you can't just say, oh,
here's a message of me dming my friend about it.
I also think that it comes down to journalists being
scared and also media organizations not having the money and
(33:36):
power that they once had. They're coming up against people
who also they know have money, so I think that's
why they're a bit reluctant to do it. Let's be realistic.
This is a case of a story is more interesting
to the Australian media if it is a catfight between
two of Australia's biggest only fans. Does they don't want
to report on a guy who has been accused of
(33:57):
domestic violence even though violence against women is such a
serious issue in the country. It's clear. I mean, look
at the Australian media landscape. We've got Ben Cousins on
Dancing with the Stars and then promoted into the AFL
footy commentating team. The media do not care about domestic
violence against women. I mean two minds about it. Because
(34:18):
I also think that sections of the media could potentially
be discrediting Mikayla's claims due to what her profession is,
which is so unfair as she's a sex worker. Maybe
they think that the mainstream media or public aren't going
to take her claim seriously. See, I actually think Anna
being a sex worker and being Australia's most famous sex
worker actually went in her favor in terms of people
(34:41):
not wanting to question her, because I mean I actually
predicted at the start of this year that she would
be canceled because I saw the momentum of how people
reacted to Bonnie Blue when she came to Australia, and
I think we went through this phase of very sex positivity,
very supportive of sex workers, and it got to the
point people didn't want to say anything that went against
(35:02):
her because they would be seen to be being derogatory. Yeah,
at the time, everyone felt a bit too awkward or
like they weren't allowed to question why a sex worker
was becoming a pin up for school age children and
a role model, and that it was inappropriate. I agree,
Kate though, with your comments about the momentum changing, because
(35:23):
even this week I saw that it was highly publicized
that James Brayshaw's son got engaged to an only fans creator. Well,
she is scouted as the most sexually active woman in
Australia and they ran with that. Yeah, and that's the theme.
Headlines were disgusting about this woman. I looked at the
comments section. It was appalling what they were saying about her.
So I feel like it's almost feeling like we've done
(35:43):
a full one eighty and we've gone back to what
we were, which I don't think is a good place either.
We won progression and acceptance of sex work as a career,
but I think the way it has been put on
a pedestal recently, I mean, and directed at children as
being a job that maybe teenagers should aspire to. Yeah,
because Mikayla Tester spoke about how she would not want
her children following in her footsteps and doing sex work,
(36:06):
whereas she played a clip of Anna Paul saying that
she thinks it's this great profession and you know, people
should look into it. Essentially, I think what's so fascinating
about this whole story is that in twenty twenty five,
it really shows you just how powerful social media is
compared to the mainstream media. Well, it's like citizen journalism really,
because Mikayla has managed to get her story out. She
(36:28):
didn't have to go to a herald son and give
it to them exclusively. And let's be real, I mean,
how many gen Z's or millennials actually still read the newspapers.
Her going straight to YouTube, she could air any claims
that she wanted. She didn't actually have to stick to
the legalities or you know, the journalist rules of what
they can include and what they can't, and she can
control the narratives. Yeah, and you can see how she
(36:51):
has been able to tell her story on YouTube and
it has gone straight to her audience. People are posting
this all over TikTok. There are really no rules people
of following when they're talking about this story as well. Yeah,
I mean, the only publication that wrote an overview of
Mikayla Tester's podcast was Pedestrian, and I wonder if they
had any illegal trouble because the article was removed for
(37:12):
a few days and then it returned. I actually didn't
see the original article, so I don't know if they
had to tweak anything. But to me, it does really
demonstrate the copycat nature of the media, where people no
longer come up with story ideas, they just copy what's
going around. So a month ago, when these initial claims
first came out, you had every media publication writing about
(37:33):
it because they're like, oh, just copywnews dot Com wrote,
oh that's okay, I'll copy what Mama Mia wrote, and
it was all just the same thing. But everyone was
writing about it. But because not one big publication has
come out and wanted to touch this, the other ones
are like, oh okay, nothing's a copy up. I'm gonna
have to go listen to that tour podcast because I
have heard there are a number of media organizations who
they have literally been given the directive from staff above,
(37:56):
like do not print stories where we're gonna get sued.
She don't have the budget. I mean, you can see
how the media is slowly dying. There's not as much
money in it, so people aren't wanting to stick their
neck on the line and to print stories like this.
We're too out for the polls because I personally don't
know if they can return from this. I don't think
that they can come back from this. I might be
(38:18):
naive in saying that, but this is just one installment
of a number of YouTube videos that Mikayla is planning
and putting out against the polls, and I feel like
she's still got some big things to drop. I just
wish they'd put it in the movies. Like the eras
too like you could go to gold class and sit
and watch. The people were saying that it was almost
too long. I saw a few people on TikTok joking,
(38:39):
could someone just you know, make this The reason I
think the media hasn't touched it because I think the
journal is like, I'm not sitting down for two and
a half hours to watch this. I think the only
way Anna could potentially recover from this is if she
adopts the strategy that Taylor Swift did when she was
being called a snake by Kim Kardashian, and also what
l Dharby did recently, because a couple of years ago,
(38:59):
all these old racist tweets and homophobic and fat phobic
tweets that l Darby made when she was a teenager
re emerged and she was absolutely canceled. So she just
went offline for around eight months to a year and
then returned, and she obviously had to paint the full
story that she was a different person. Blah blah blah.
I think that's the only way Anna can return. Surprisingly though,
(39:21):
I thought she would have lost more followers on TikTok
and Instagram because I had a look at social Blade
and over the last thirty days she's lost one hundred
and five thousand on Instagram and two hundred thousand on TikTok. Initially,
when the scandal broke, she lost over a million followers
on TikTok. Do you think people are sticking around to
see if there's another terrible apology view? I mean, it's
(39:44):
sort of like watching a car crash, isn't it. Like
it's become this sport of almost disliking Anna paul and
engaging in a negative way with her content. So it's
still getting engagement, But I mean, you know, at the
end of the day, I think it's right, kay. I
think that they will have to disappear for a considerable
amount of time. But how do you do that when
you've got a business, Paulie Skin, you've got a business partner,
(40:04):
You've probably got you know, promotions in the work that
you're supposed to be doing. People Really awkward for them,
isn't it. People have been saying on TikTok that they
have seen a lot more paulyads recently, whether they've pumped
money into advertising. She's been quite active on Paulie's TikTok,
and people have been hypothesizing that they're really trying to
test the market there. I would love to know the
sale stats, Like can you just imagine the massive dive.
(40:27):
One thing that she can't do is return to TikTok
as if nothing has happened again, do you reckon at
this point in time, at the Paul HQ, they're trying
to find some incriminating evidence against Mikayla. You know the
way that Mikayla had the I don't think that, but
do you reckon? They are, Like I'm just trying to
think from seeing how they've worked in the past, they're
(40:49):
probably trying to find a video where they've got Mikayla
saying something unto Walls. I keep back that way. Probably.
I'm personally really interested to see when this next podcast
drops because at the start of this episode, Mikayla, as
we mentioned, said that she had not heard from the
poll's legal team. But I do think that potentially now
that may have changed. Well, that is where we're going
(41:10):
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