August 29, 2024 • 18 mins
In a thought-provoking conversation with Dr. Mengmeng Gu from Colorado State’s Department of Horticulture and Landscape Architecture, we explore the broader implications of resilience and the belief that failure is not the end. This engaging dialogue delves into how these concepts are not only vital in horticultural science but also in personal growth and development. Tune in for an episode filled with inspiration and actionable insights.
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Curt Rom (00:13):
Welcome to the Plants, eople and Science podcast, a
podcast of the American Societyof Horticultural Science.
I'm Kurt Rohm, I'm a professorof horticulture at the
University of Arkansas and I'myour host for this episode.
You know, sometimes we forgetthat there are people behind the
science in the journals that weread, real people having real
(00:35):
experiences, and we forget thatscience can be messy.
Not everything works perfectlyas hypothesized or planned.
Often there is a failure andfailures never get published.
There can be that freak storm orweather event, the growth
chamber or greenhouse thatmalfunctions, that cooks or
freezes our plants, thatanalytical instrument that broke
(00:58):
down right in the middle of anexperiment and we lost it.
The computer that died in thedata files.
We lost that wild mouse orraccoon that ate our results
before we could get the datacollected.
Things just happen and it'sjust a fail.
We have to start all over andwe have to go back to the
(01:18):
drawing board.
Today we're going to talk aboutstories of having success that
emerged from failure.
Or, as I like to kind ofmisquote Winston Churchill,
failure is not final.
Today our guest is Dr.
(01:52):
Mung Mung, joining us todayand welcome.
How are you Well?
Dr. Mengmeng Gu (01:55):
thank you so much, r Rome, for having me.
I am very good.
It's getting a little chillyhere in Colorado and the fall
color is just awesome, so I'mgood, I'm good.
Thank you for having me.
Curt Rom (02:09):
Well, good, glad to have you here.
You know we are getting fallweather here.
Finally, after several weeks ofrecord-breaking high
temperatures, we have seasonaltemperatures today.
Tell us what you do at ColoradoState and maybe explain a
little bit about yourprofessional path to what you're
currently doing.
Dr. Mengmeng Gu (02:27):
And you probably know that I graduated
from the University of Arkansas.
After getting my PhD I got myfirst faculty job as an
assistant professor extensionspecialist at Mississippi State
University in Starkville atMississippi State University in
Starkville.
After five and a half years atMississippi State I moved
(02:54):
further south to join theDepartment of Horticultural
Sciences at Texas A&M.
I became an extensionspecialist in Texas A&M and
while at Texas A&M I wentthrough the ranks of assistant
associate and full professor.
I have been working veryclosely with the Mississippi
Nursery and LandscapeAssociation and then later on
Texas Nursery and LandscapeAssociation and in general the
(03:16):
green industry.
So that has been my career path.
Curt Rom (03:21):
Well, it's interesting , you've obviously climbed the
ladder of success.
Well, it's interesting, you'veobviously climbed the ladder of
success.
You're a department chair of alarge and renowned academic
horticultural department.
(03:43):
You've of know, because I knowyou.
I know you have a story about atime of self-doubt, the time
that you were on the brink offailure.
Maybe you felt like a failure,but you've clearly overcome that
.
Would you be willing to tell usthat story and I need to
confess to the audience that Iknow this story because I was
(04:03):
your PhD co-advisor Specifically, tell us about your PhD
qualifying exams, that oralcomprehensive exam that the PhD
program at Arkansas requires youto pass.
Dr. Mengmeng Gu (04:18):
Okay, well, thank you, Dr.
Rom, for mentioning that.
Let me just brag.
Since you mentioned about ourgreat institution here, let me
just brag a little bit about mydepartment, and we may be the
largest horticulture program inthe nation.
It's the Department ofHorticulture and Landscape
Architecture and we have 366students face-to-face and, in
(04:46):
addition, we have about 150online students, so we're
probably the largest program.
Curt Rom (04:53):
That's a good size program, no doubt, and a great
reputation for a long time.
Dr. Mengmeng Gu (04:57):
I appreciate that.
So yeah, so let me tell youabout this experience that I
have had during my PhD in theDepartment of Horticulture at
the University of Arkansas.
You know, for all the PhDstudents they have to, there's
(05:17):
one I guess I will call it agatekeeping experience.
They have to do the Phqualified exam.
So first you do the writtenpart and then, after you pass
the written exam, and thenthere's the oral comprehensive
exam that the program requiresyou to pass.
I did not pass the first time.
(05:41):
I did not pass the first time,not pass the first time.
I did not pass the first time.
Although I think I did well inthe written exam, I did not want
to expect for the oral exam.
Curt Rom (05:53):
You know Dr.
Gu, I remember it really wellas your professor and you know
your co-advisor.
I thought you were really wellprepared, you did do well in
your written exams and Iexpected you to kind of nail it,
to hit the ball out of the park.
But you know, it's my memoryabout your exam that you know
(06:15):
you just didn't show us what youneeded to show us and it kept
getting worse and worse to showus and it kept getting worse and
worse, and I could see by thefaces of the committee members
that you were in trouble and Iwas deeply concerned.
(06:37):
And so here's what I rememberabout it.
And you can correct me if yourmemory and tell me from your
memory.
At some point in time Irealized that, quite honestly,
you were failing and you weregoing to fail this exam and at
Arkansas, if we voted a fail,that means you're leaving the
PhD program.
And so I actually asked that wesuspend the examination.
(07:02):
You know, essentially to hitpause.
And I visited with thecommittee and I said that you're
not doing what the quality ofwork that I think you could do,
that you weren't representingwhat you know and that I wanted
to hit pause for like six months.
And there were a couple ofcommittee members that said no,
(07:23):
she's failing, this is it.
And we had a conversation and Igot them to agree that we're
going to hit pause.
And then I remember having tocall you into the room and
saying we're not completing theexam today.
So tell me what went throughyour mind.
I sent you out of the room andwe talked for probably 25
(07:46):
minutes.
Dr. Mengmeng Gu (07:47):
Yeah, I remember that experience and Dr.
Rom and I think full disclosurehere is said that I got the
highest TOEFL score of all theinternational students.
However, communicating inscience and communicating in
(08:21):
horticulture is different fromthe TOEFL test.
So often I feel that I have theknowledge, I know the knowledge
.
Often I feel that I have theknowledge, I know the knowledge
and I had difficulty in gettingit out in the concise, in the
accurate manner in English.
And I think that's where thetrust that you had in me that
(08:48):
you know, through my studies Itook the classes and everything
and you know that I have beenworking really hard.
So you, that's something that Iappreciate very much, that you
have the trust in me.
You knew that I was up for itand, however you know, you
didn't know and I didn't knowwhy in that room when I was
(09:12):
answering all those questionsfrom the committee members and
sometimes it just flopped andthen I froze.
Curt Rom (09:21):
Yeah, I think you froze.
It's almost in my memory.
If I had said Mengmeng, what'syour first name I remember, you
very likely would have gone.
I don't know what my name is.
You got frustrated andflustered, so we sent you out.
We decided to hit pause.
You could have quit.
(09:43):
You could have said this is it,I'm going back, I'm going back
home, I'm done with this.
I'm not going to fool around.
What motivated you?
What kept you going?
Dr. Mengmeng Gu (09:53):
Well, like I said, you know, I knew that you
all trusted me and I also hadthe trust in myself Before that
moment, before that moment, Ihave been the you know, always
the top one student in my classand everything.
So I also trusted myself that Icould improve upon this
(10:19):
short-term failure and we justhave to work out a strategy to
get past that point.
And it was very mortifying, itwas very scary.
It was very scary when youdon't pass that, when you have
(10:40):
all the hope from your familythat you come into the
University of Arkansas to getyour PhD and then in the middle
that you failed.
And that was not an option forme.
So I promised to myself that Iwill do everything I can to
overcome that short-term failure, and that's what I had in my
(11:05):
mind.
Curt Rom (11:06):
Well you know, and all is well that ends well.
You came back the second timefor your oral exam and you did
nail it.
You did hit the ball out of thepark.
You graduated with flyingcolors and essentially a perfect
grade point, an outstandingdissertation with a lot of
publications.
I want to ask Did thatexperience, has that inspired
(11:30):
you or motivated you when youfaced other challenges or at
other times during yourhorticulture career that you
faced failure?
Dr. Mengmeng Gu (11:40):
Exactly that experience really taught me a
lot.
First of all, you know, life isa long journey and any setback,
delay, impediment is not theend of the world.
It could be.
And this experience I reallysee it as a blessing in disguise
.
It really motivated me and also, at the same time it helped me
(12:04):
to work out a strategy Not onlywork hard but also work smart.
Not only work hard but alsowork smart.
If you remember, in my secondexam, you know, for six months
my English couldn't haveimproved that much.
So that problem will still bethere.
And because I know thatknowledge, so we like one of the
(12:26):
strategy is communication,communicating with all the
faculty member to find exactly aclear expectation, and work
with faculty.
And then, number two, when Ianswer my questions, I use
illustration to demonstrate myunderstanding, my answer.
So it kind of gave me a littlebit time to reflect, to organize
(12:48):
my thoughts, to organize mysentences.
You know, before I answer thecommittee members and I wanted
to make sure that I also onesmall technique was I always
asked the committee to make surewhat I heard is what they asked
(13:09):
.
That also gave me a little bitof time to come up with the
answer.
So, strategy, really work fromthe failure and work on strategy
, see what's the best, how wecould overcome that.
So that has always inspired andmotivated me to look at
(13:33):
difficulty or failure not asdifficulty or failure, but as a
way to help improve myself.
And I have been in thisimproving journey, you know,
ever since we had thatexperience.
Curt Rom (13:49):
Well, thank you very much, Dr Gu.
You know thanks for sharingyour story.
You know I think it's verypersonal to talk about failure,
but it's clear.
Like again, as I said, allthings ended well for you.
And I'll be honest with you.
I admit your story has inspiredme.
It's inspired me as an advisorfor other students.
(14:11):
I've told your story.
It's inspired me.
Your resilience has, I think,been inspirational and that's
why I wanted to talk about ittoday Before we end.
Do you have any final thoughts,anything else you'd like to say
about perseverance andresilience and how you face
failure?
Dr. Mengmeng Gu (14:32):
I appreciate you asking that question.
First of all, I just braggedabout CSU Horticulture and
Landscape ArchitectureDepartment and I also want to
brag about the not as bigdepartment Department of
Horticulture at the Universityof Arkansas.
It really felt like a familywhen I was there, the faculty
(14:56):
there, the fellow students there.
If you remember, you know weall the grad students are in one
grad student office and so wewere kind of like a sister and
brothers and so I had thatmental support from you as
faculty.
I had the trust from you fromfaculty.
I had the education from youknow, by taking other faculty's
(15:17):
classes.
I really enjoyed that and alsoour fellow grad students helped
me, supported me with the mentalsupport.
So I was at that point.
It was very strong both I meanjust mentally and academically
because of the trust and thesupport from faculty and
(15:39):
students and within thedepartment.
So what I learned is I can'tchange the past.
I didn't do well in the firsttime.
I can't just cry on it for therest of my life.
What I did was just put itbehind me.
I worked hard, gave it all 120%, 200% and just gave it all and
(16:05):
worked from that, worked out astrategy, moved forward Again.
Life is a long journey.
It's not failure, it's simplynot successful yet.
So that's a mentality that Ihave always have.
We're just not yet there, andthat just kept me going.
Curt Rom (16:25):
Yeah, I think that's correct and, as I said at the
beginning, failure isn't final.
It's just another step in ourjourney, it's another piece of
our intellectual and careerpuzzle.
Well, thank you very much forjoining us today, dr Gu.
I very much enjoyed theconversation.
Dr. Mengmeng Gu (16:42):
Well, thank you , Dr.
Rom.
Curt Rom (16:45):
I want to thank everybody for joining us on
Plants, People, Science, apodcast of the American Society
for Horticultural Science.
We hope you've enjoyed thisshort episode in hearing that,
like I said, failure is notfinal and resilience does matter
.
You can find a link to Dr Guand Colorado State Department of
(17:05):
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Please go to ashs.
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(17:26):
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(17:47):
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musician, John Clark.
Thanks for listening.
Welcome to the Plants, eople and Science podcast, a
podcast of the American Societyof Horticultural Science.
I'm Kurt Rohm, I'm a professorof horticulture at the
University of Arkansas and I'myour host for this episode.
You know, sometimes we forgetthat there are people behind the
science in the journals that weread, real people having real
(00:35):
experiences, and we forget thatscience can be messy.
Not everything works perfectlyas hypothesized or planned.
Often there is a failure andfailures never get published.
There can be that freak storm orweather event, the growth
chamber or greenhouse thatmalfunctions, that cooks or
freezes our plants, thatanalytical instrument that broke
(00:58):
down right in the middle of anexperiment and we lost it.
The computer that died in thedata files.
We lost that wild mouse orraccoon that ate our results
before we could get the datacollected.
Things just happen and it'sjust a fail.
We have to start all over andwe have to go back to the
(01:18):
drawing board.
Today we're going to talk aboutstories of having success that
emerged from failure.
Or, as I like to kind ofmisquote Winston Churchill,
failure is not final.
Today our guest is Dr.
(01:52):
Mung Mung, joining us todayand welcome.
How are you Well?
Dr. Mengmeng Gu (01:55):
thank you so much, r Rome, for having me.
I am very good.
It's getting a little chillyhere in Colorado and the fall
color is just awesome, so I'mgood, I'm good.
Thank you for having me.
Curt Rom (02:09):
Well, good, glad to have you here.
You know we are getting fallweather here.
Finally, after several weeks ofrecord-breaking high
temperatures, we have seasonaltemperatures today.
Tell us what you do at ColoradoState and maybe explain a
little bit about yourprofessional path to what you're
currently doing.
Dr. Mengmeng Gu (02:27):
And you probably know that I graduated
from the University of Arkansas.
After getting my PhD I got myfirst faculty job as an
assistant professor extensionspecialist at Mississippi State
University in Starkville atMississippi State University in
Starkville.
After five and a half years atMississippi State I moved
(02:54):
further south to join theDepartment of Horticultural
Sciences at Texas A&M.
I became an extensionspecialist in Texas A&M and
while at Texas A&M I wentthrough the ranks of assistant
associate and full professor.
I have been working veryclosely with the Mississippi
Nursery and LandscapeAssociation and then later on
Texas Nursery and LandscapeAssociation and in general the
(03:16):
green industry.
So that has been my career path.
Curt Rom (03:21):
Well, it's interesting , you've obviously climbed the
ladder of success.
Well, it's interesting, you'veobviously climbed the ladder of
success.
You're a department chair of alarge and renowned academic
horticultural department.
(03:43):
You've of know, because I knowyou.
I know you have a story about atime of self-doubt, the time
that you were on the brink offailure.
Maybe you felt like a failure,but you've clearly overcome that
.
Would you be willing to tell usthat story and I need to
confess to the audience that Iknow this story because I was
(04:03):
your PhD co-advisor Specifically, tell us about your PhD
qualifying exams, that oralcomprehensive exam that the PhD
program at Arkansas requires youto pass.
Dr. Mengmeng Gu (04:18):
Okay, well, thank you, Dr.
Rom, for mentioning that.
Let me just brag.
Since you mentioned about ourgreat institution here, let me
just brag a little bit about mydepartment, and we may be the
largest horticulture program inthe nation.
It's the Department ofHorticulture and Landscape
Architecture and we have 366students face-to-face and, in
(04:46):
addition, we have about 150online students, so we're
probably the largest program.
Curt Rom (04:53):
That's a good size program, no doubt, and a great
reputation for a long time.
Dr. Mengmeng Gu (04:57):
I appreciate that.
So yeah, so let me tell youabout this experience that I
have had during my PhD in theDepartment of Horticulture at
the University of Arkansas.
You know, for all the PhDstudents they have to, there's
(05:17):
one I guess I will call it agatekeeping experience.
They have to do the Phqualified exam.
So first you do the writtenpart and then, after you pass
the written exam, and thenthere's the oral comprehensive
exam that the program requiresyou to pass.
I did not pass the first time.
(05:41):
I did not pass the first time,not pass the first time.
I did not pass the first time.
Although I think I did well inthe written exam, I did not want
to expect for the oral exam.
Curt Rom (05:53):
You know Dr.
Gu, I remember it really wellas your professor and you know
your co-advisor.
I thought you were really wellprepared, you did do well in
your written exams and Iexpected you to kind of nail it,
to hit the ball out of the park.
But you know, it's my memoryabout your exam that you know
(06:15):
you just didn't show us what youneeded to show us and it kept
getting worse and worse to showus and it kept getting worse and
worse, and I could see by thefaces of the committee members
that you were in trouble and Iwas deeply concerned.
(06:37):
And so here's what I rememberabout it.
And you can correct me if yourmemory and tell me from your
memory.
At some point in time Irealized that, quite honestly,
you were failing and you weregoing to fail this exam and at
Arkansas, if we voted a fail,that means you're leaving the
PhD program.
And so I actually asked that wesuspend the examination.
(07:02):
You know, essentially to hitpause.
And I visited with thecommittee and I said that you're
not doing what the quality ofwork that I think you could do,
that you weren't representingwhat you know and that I wanted
to hit pause for like six months.
And there were a couple ofcommittee members that said no,
(07:23):
she's failing, this is it.
And we had a conversation and Igot them to agree that we're
going to hit pause.
And then I remember having tocall you into the room and
saying we're not completing theexam today.
So tell me what went throughyour mind.
I sent you out of the room andwe talked for probably 25
(07:46):
minutes.
Dr. Mengmeng Gu (07:47):
Yeah, I remember that experience and Dr.
Rom and I think full disclosurehere is said that I got the
highest TOEFL score of all theinternational students.
However, communicating inscience and communicating in
(08:21):
horticulture is different fromthe TOEFL test.
So often I feel that I have theknowledge, I know the knowledge
.
Often I feel that I have theknowledge, I know the knowledge
and I had difficulty in gettingit out in the concise, in the
accurate manner in English.
And I think that's where thetrust that you had in me that
(08:48):
you know, through my studies Itook the classes and everything
and you know that I have beenworking really hard.
So you, that's something that Iappreciate very much, that you
have the trust in me.
You knew that I was up for itand, however you know, you
didn't know and I didn't knowwhy in that room when I was
(09:12):
answering all those questionsfrom the committee members and
sometimes it just flopped andthen I froze.
Curt Rom (09:21):
Yeah, I think you froze.
It's almost in my memory.
If I had said Mengmeng, what'syour first name I remember, you
very likely would have gone.
I don't know what my name is.
You got frustrated andflustered, so we sent you out.
We decided to hit pause.
You could have quit.
(09:43):
You could have said this is it,I'm going back, I'm going back
home, I'm done with this.
I'm not going to fool around.
What motivated you?
What kept you going?
Dr. Mengmeng Gu (09:53):
Well, like I said, you know, I knew that you
all trusted me and I also hadthe trust in myself Before that
moment, before that moment, Ihave been the you know, always
the top one student in my classand everything.
So I also trusted myself that Icould improve upon this
(10:19):
short-term failure and we justhave to work out a strategy to
get past that point.
And it was very mortifying, itwas very scary.
It was very scary when youdon't pass that, when you have
(10:40):
all the hope from your familythat you come into the
University of Arkansas to getyour PhD and then in the middle
that you failed.
And that was not an option forme.
So I promised to myself that Iwill do everything I can to
overcome that short-term failure, and that's what I had in my
(11:05):
mind.
Curt Rom (11:06):
Well you know, and all is well that ends well.
You came back the second timefor your oral exam and you did
nail it.
You did hit the ball out of thepark.
You graduated with flyingcolors and essentially a perfect
grade point, an outstandingdissertation with a lot of
publications.
I want to ask Did thatexperience, has that inspired
(11:30):
you or motivated you when youfaced other challenges or at
other times during yourhorticulture career that you
faced failure?
Dr. Mengmeng Gu (11:40):
Exactly that experience really taught me a
lot.
First of all, you know, life isa long journey and any setback,
delay, impediment is not theend of the world.
It could be.
And this experience I reallysee it as a blessing in disguise
.
It really motivated me and also, at the same time it helped me
(12:04):
to work out a strategy Not onlywork hard but also work smart.
Not only work hard but alsowork smart.
If you remember, in my secondexam, you know, for six months
my English couldn't haveimproved that much.
So that problem will still bethere.
And because I know thatknowledge, so we like one of the
(12:26):
strategy is communication,communicating with all the
faculty member to find exactly aclear expectation, and work
with faculty.
And then, number two, when Ianswer my questions, I use
illustration to demonstrate myunderstanding, my answer.
So it kind of gave me a littlebit time to reflect, to organize
(12:48):
my thoughts, to organize mysentences.
You know, before I answer thecommittee members and I wanted
to make sure that I also onesmall technique was I always
asked the committee to make surewhat I heard is what they asked
(13:09):
.
That also gave me a little bitof time to come up with the
answer.
So, strategy, really work fromthe failure and work on strategy
, see what's the best, how wecould overcome that.
So that has always inspired andmotivated me to look at
(13:33):
difficulty or failure not asdifficulty or failure, but as a
way to help improve myself.
And I have been in thisimproving journey, you know,
ever since we had thatexperience.
Curt Rom (13:49):
Well, thank you very much, Dr Gu.
You know thanks for sharingyour story.
You know I think it's verypersonal to talk about failure,
but it's clear.
Like again, as I said, allthings ended well for you.
And I'll be honest with you.
I admit your story has inspiredme.
It's inspired me as an advisorfor other students.
(14:11):
I've told your story.
It's inspired me.
Your resilience has, I think,been inspirational and that's
why I wanted to talk about ittoday Before we end.
Do you have any final thoughts,anything else you'd like to say
about perseverance andresilience and how you face
failure?
Dr. Mengmeng Gu (14:32):
I appreciate you asking that question.
First of all, I just braggedabout CSU Horticulture and
Landscape ArchitectureDepartment and I also want to
brag about the not as bigdepartment Department of
Horticulture at the Universityof Arkansas.
It really felt like a familywhen I was there, the faculty
(14:56):
there, the fellow students there.
If you remember, you know weall the grad students are in one
grad student office and so wewere kind of like a sister and
brothers and so I had thatmental support from you as
faculty.
I had the trust from you fromfaculty.
I had the education from youknow, by taking other faculty's
(15:17):
classes.
I really enjoyed that and alsoour fellow grad students helped
me, supported me with the mentalsupport.
So I was at that point.
It was very strong both I meanjust mentally and academically
because of the trust and thesupport from faculty and
(15:39):
students and within thedepartment.
So what I learned is I can'tchange the past.
I didn't do well in the firsttime.
I can't just cry on it for therest of my life.
What I did was just put itbehind me.
I worked hard, gave it all 120%, 200% and just gave it all and
(16:05):
worked from that, worked out astrategy, moved forward Again.
Life is a long journey.
It's not failure, it's simplynot successful yet.
So that's a mentality that Ihave always have.
We're just not yet there, andthat just kept me going.
Curt Rom (16:25):
Yeah, I think that's correct and, as I said at the
beginning, failure isn't final.
It's just another step in ourjourney, it's another piece of
our intellectual and careerpuzzle.
Well, thank you very much forjoining us today, dr Gu.
I very much enjoyed theconversation.
Dr. Mengmeng Gu (16:42):
Well, thank you , Dr.
Rom.
Curt Rom (16:45):
I want to thank everybody for joining us on
Plants, People, Science, apodcast of the American Society
for Horticultural Science.
We hope you've enjoyed thisshort episode in hearing that,
like I said, failure is notfinal and resilience does matter
.
You can find a link to Dr Guand Colorado State Department of
(17:05):
Horticulture and LandscapeArchitecture on the podcast
homepage architecture on thepodcast homepage.
The ASHS podcast Plants, peopleand Science is made possible by
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Please go to ashs.
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If you're not already a memberof the ASHS, we invite you to
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ASHS is a not-for-profit andyour donations are
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This episode was hosted by CurtRom.
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research specialists, LenaWilson and Andrew Sheldorf, our
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Thanks for listening.
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