Executive Decision | S1E34 - Retromade

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Katie (00:36):
Hello.
Hello.
I'm Katie and welcome toretro made your pop culture.
Rewind.
Let's continue the exploration ofthe best of the eighties and nineties
with a very tense action thriller.
Executive decision oureveryman Kurt Russell.

(00:56):
And today I'm very excitedto have new guests.
Join me, Zabe and Robin from WhoWill Save Generation X Trivia
Game Show on with me today.
Thank you guys so much for joining.
Tell us and the listenersabout you and your show.

Zabe (01:14):
Well, hi, I'm Zabe.
I'm the host of the show.
It is a very lighthearted look backinto the fun things of generation X.
We play lots of games with our, ourguests that come on at its heart.
It is very much a game show andwe try and keep that vibe going.
And we have all kinds of differentgames for people to try out.
We try and get things fresh and new allthe time and to keep things interesting.

(01:37):
But it's basically.
We celebrate the cool things ofour youth, us Gen Xers, that is,
but it's not exclusive to Gen Xas Robin is a millennial and she
is the producer of this show.
So we try and make itappealing for everybody.
But if you're a Gen X er, then you'lldefinitely like the show a lot.

Katie (01:57):
It's super fun.

Robin (01:58):
For sure I can agree with that, Zabe, because like you say, I'm a
millennial, and honestly, if you'resomeone that just enjoys trivia, it hits
the spot, especially because Generation Xreally was this time in music and movies
and tv like it just so much especiallyin america and so yeah if you even like
trivia it's just such a fun listen andi'm really happy to be a part of it

Zabe (02:23):
Well, it's a highly produced show as well.
So there's a lot of things.
We put a lot of sound clips inand a lot of things that will.
Scratch your nostalgic itch if that'sthe right phrase to even be using.
I don't even know but it It it definitelywill bring back the good nostalgic vibes
that and that's what we're shooting for

Katie (02:43):
Well, that's why you're perfect guests for RetroMade because
that's what I like to do too.
80s and 90s were the best man.
So,

Robin (02:51):
oh yeah

Katie (02:53):
well, before we get into the show, I have a couple of listener
comments that I wanted to share.
If you guys listeners, if you'relistening on Spotify, Did you know you
can actually leave comments and I cansee them and I can read them on the show?
Well, you can and you shouldjust like Patrick did.
He left two comments.

(03:14):
One for the three wishes and theRoseanne episode, which was episode 31.
He says, Katie, I love this episode.
Thank you for all that you do.
Love the trips down memory laneand also an introduction to
a movie that has been missed.
You rock.
Keep up the great content.
I loved hearing that.
So thanks, Patrick.
And then I love, love, love, loveyour next comment because I did a

(03:38):
bonus episode on the Roadhouse remake.
I don't know if you guyshave seen it or not.

Zabe (03:44):
i refuse

Robin (03:45):
yeah

Katie (03:45):
yeah
well, so if you listen to myepisode and my listeners are
probably very divided on this.
did not care for it.
And my guests and I had fun kind ofpicking it apart a little bit despite our
real, I do very much like Jake Gyllenhaal.
It's not his fault, but Patrickcommented on that episode and he
says, I barely got through this movie.

(04:07):
I think it would have been fineif it was not named Roadhouse.
And I wholeheartedly agree.
I still wouldn't have liked it verymuch, but I think it added a little
extra insult to the injury for me thatthey marketed it as a roadhouse movie.

Zabe (04:24):
well when they take the name of movies and they they repackage them and
Try to trot them out and try and getsome sort of equal success into the pop
culture of today that they had back inthe day, it just seems so transparent
and feels like this is money grabsand they're pulling on the nostalgic

(04:49):
strings I feel for the wrong reasons.
And you know, go ahead, make your toughguy bar movie and just call something
else and bring your own flavor to itbecause you're going to do it anyway.

Katie (05:01):
exactly.
Well, other peopleprobably disagreed with me.
Who, who am I?
Who do I know?
But it's strange.
The types of movies that get that aremaking money and being made nowadays.
And so it doesn't really surprise me, butthey're already making a sequel to it.

Zabe (05:16):
Really?

Katie (05:17):
Yeah.

Robin (05:18):
wow

Katie (05:20):
Well, anyway, before you get me going on a whole rant about the Roadhouse
remake again, I just wanted to bring thatup and make sure that everyone is aware
that if you listen on Spotify, you cando that and you should just like Patrick.
Thank you, Patrick.
All right.
Now let's open the timecapsule from March.
1996, mid nineties is kind of my jam,you know, that's when I was like, I

(05:46):
think I started high school in 96.
So, you know, which of the popularTV at the time really kind of
stuck out for whatever reason.

Robin (05:57):
For me it would be fraser for sure and some of that is because my
parents were massive massive cheersfans back in the day and so I've
definitely seen all of Cheers as well,but, Frasier was one that I remember
them watching when I was growing up.
And it's one that when I was ateen, I ended up latching onto for

(06:18):
reruns and, you know, then DVR came,had come around and everything.
So, you know, we could recordthat stuff, but love Frasier.
So funny.
I still love Kelsey Grammarto this day because of it.
And it's, you know, also why Iwas willing to go back and try
Cheers, which is also delightful.

Katie (06:37):
Did you watch the newly, what is, what do they consider it?
A reboot
It?

Robin (06:43):
yeah, because isn't it a continuation?
You know, it looks like,

Katie (06:46):
see it

Robin (06:47):
it looks like something I should enjoy.
Like I think even some of the newadditions are people that I like,
but I can't it's very good comparedto the show, you know, the original.
And so I really haven't tried it.
You know, I guess, I guessget that money for for sure.

Katie (07:07):
About you Zabe?

Zabe (07:09):
Well, I'm definitely the oldest person here on this episode.
I was born in 73.
The And that makes, puts me square Macsmack dab in the middle of generation X.
And I was 23 in 1996.
And although television raised me asit did many of my gen X cohorts from

(07:31):
the seventies, all the way through theeighties and into the early nineties.
Cause we, we come from the generationof very neglectful parents.
I hope my parents don'tever hear this episode, but
they,
the space Yeah, Lasky Kids, youknow, we were, we were the first
generation for a widespread divorce.
And as a necessity they had to turnon the TV and let them babysit us.

(07:52):
And, and you know.
I don't look back with anything otherthan fond memories of my television
godparents watching over me.
But by the time 1996 rolls around, I'm,I'm an adult, you know, I've entered
the workforce and I'm working 60 to 80hours a week by that point in my life.
And, oh yeah, I was a total workaholicat a, from a very early age and I,

(08:17):
you know, priorities had to be set.
And television was something thatreally flew out the window for me.
So you sent us a whole list ofdifferent things that we could talk
about and every single thing onthe list here kind of passed me by.
I've never seen an episode of Frasier.
I was an adult already bythe time 1996 came around.
So a lot of these showsreally just passed me by

(08:40):
almost everything onyour list that you have.
I didn't, I never watched ER.
I didn't watch friends really.
I didn't watch Frasier.
I've never seen an episodeof Frasier even once.
So, I love Cheers, but I justnever made the transition over
to Frasier for whatever reason.
So television of the midnineties kind of passed me by.
The well goes very deep with 80s TV.

(09:03):
But that's not the episode I'm on.

Katie (09:05):
Did you catch any of them?
Do you ever like in syndication, doyou catch up with any of the shows
like after they're run by any chance?

Zabe (09:12):
I caught up with Seinfeld for the most part which I love, but going
back and watching these shows whenthey're not set in the proper time.
So a lot of the things are moreimpactful if you're watching them in the,
in the time when they'reactually run for the first time.
So while I still enjoyed the comedy,I love the show I think it would

(09:34):
have hit me a whole lot harder hadI watched them on their first run.

Katie (09:38):
Yeah, that totally makes sense.
It's interesting becauseI'm like Seinfeld friends.
I think they were all on thesame night, like Thursday night.
So that was, those were big friends isone of my favorite shows of all time.
So that's a big one for me.
Well, let's move on to music to see,I feel bad Zabe because if the TV

(09:59):
missed you, maybe the music did too.
I don't know.
We'll see.
The billboard top 10 the week thatexecutive decision came out, which is
March 15th, 1996, the number one song.
One Sweet Day by MariahCarey and Boyz II Men.

(10:21):
The next two are actually froma movie, from Waiting to Exhale.
Both Brandy's Sittin Up in MyRoom, which is so very 1996.

(10:47):
I love that song, but it's so mid 90s.
then number three is Mary J.
Blige's Knock on cry.
So those are both from waiting to exhale.
Do we know these songs?

Robin (11:02):
I wish I knew these songs better because every artist you've named,
I've been like, yeah, it's some ofmy favorites from back in the day.
I'll say, I think I wasprobably just on the young side.
And so I know things probablyfrom, you know, or six years later.

Katie (11:18):
That totally makes sense.

Robin (11:19):
Yeah.

Katie (11:19):
Oh, I forgot to look up number 4.
I've heard of the Tony rich project,but I don't, I'm not really familiar.
The number 4 song is called nobody knows.
There's another one from a movie,Celine Dion's, Because You Loved Me.

Robin (11:32):
excellent.
Yes.

Katie (11:34):
didn't realize that was from, what's the movie?
Up Close and Personal.

Robin (11:39):
Oh,

Katie (11:40):
That's the, that's the movie that it's from.

Zabe (11:42):
Well, come 1990, mid 90s, Celine Dion is about to blow up and
become the Celine Dion we all know.
I think prior

Katie (11:53):
with
Titanic,

Zabe (11:54):
Yeah,

Robin (11:54):
Oh, Yeah,

Zabe (11:56):
so all those songs that you just mentioned, once again, pass me by, it's
not because I wasn't paying attention tomusic in the 90s, because I totally was.
I, still to this day, I'm stillkind of stuck in my bubble of the
kind of music that I listen to.
I mean, I, yeah, yeah, us old men likethat get stuck in our ways, I get that.

(12:18):
I hear, I hear what you're saying, Katie.

Katie (12:20):
too.
I'm saying I do it too.
Like that, I, I think it's you, you haveto take care to not let that happen.
Meaning

Zabe (12:27):
Absolutely.

Katie (12:28):
end up
listening to what they listened toin high school and college forever.

Zabe (12:33):
I know I do.
I'm still listening to The Cureand The Smiths and Depeche Mode.
And fortunately, all of those bands,well not The Smiths, but Morrissey
has, yeah, Carried on the Torch.
A lot of those are, remainedrelevant as I've gotten older.
They've, they still turned outawesome albums and great, great music.
So, I've been able to stay in touchwith the bands that I love that have

(12:58):
survived through the 90s.
Yeah, it continued on.
I'm still waiting for theCure's new album to come out.
Robert Smith, if you're goingto listen to this episode, we're
all waiting for the new album.
We want it out as soonas possible, please.

Katie (13:10):
He's going to reply on,

Zabe (13:12):
Please leave a comment on this episode on Spotify.

Katie (13:15):
Yeah, that's exactly what he's going to do.
So I'll keep you posted on that.

Zabe (13:18):
thank you.

Katie (13:20):
Okay.
So the number six song is onethat I had to look up because.
The title is called missing thegroup is everything but the girl.
And I was like, what is that?
is that I'll probably have to insertthe clip, but for you guys, it's

Zabe (13:37):
Sing it, Katie.
Sing it!

Katie (13:39):
and I miss you like the deserts missed the rain.
That song,

Robin (13:56):
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I haven't thought about that one in years.

Katie (14:00):
Semen, I didn't know the name of the, everything but the girl is the name
of the group and the title is missing.
And I wouldn't have known that,
down low in parentheses andnobody has to know is R.
Kelly
Ronald Isley, you know, back in theday, I really liked ignition, but.
No bueno, R.

(14:20):
Kelly.

Robin (14:21):
I know.

Katie (14:21):
you gotta go.

Robin (14:23):
Gotta

Zabe (14:23):
He who shall not be named.

Katie (14:25):
Okay, I'm pretty sure you guys will know the next one.
Do you remember the phenomenonthat was Joan Osborne's One of Us?

Zabe (15:00):
That, that song made a lot of waves in the religious community.
And yeah, I remember thatwould have, God was one of us.

Katie (15:08):
Did it make waves in the religious

Zabe (15:10):
It did
it well in my small, veryconservative Christian community.
Raised them like it.
So we talk a lot about thesatanic panic on our podcast
and
yeah.

Katie (15:22):
I guess.

Zabe (15:23):
yeah.
and the 90s, you know, and, and to today,even there's a lot of that going on, even
in the political climate we have today,which this is not a political show.
So we're going to not mention it.
However that was one of them.
So
the satanic panic,

Katie (15:38):
like the song?

Zabe (15:39):
no, they did not like the song

Katie (15:41):
Oh,

Zabe (15:42):
because here's what here, here is, well, there, there, the song talks
about the non deification, if that's theword of God, like it's, it's, Belittling
the deity of God to say what if he wasone of, just like a man or whatever.
So,

Katie (15:59):
think
that was a positive thingthat she was saying.

Zabe (16:01):
Well, I'm sure she did come from it, from a positive thing, but
a lot, I mean, I don't know if youwant this on your podcast, Katie, but
I feel that a lot of religious leadersof the day are just rich old white
guys and they don't want to hear ayoung woman saying, talking about God,
frankly.

Katie (16:18):
I can
see that.

Zabe (16:20):
So,

Katie (16:20):
It just reminded me of what's her face up the picture of the Pope.

Zabe (16:25):
Sinead O'Connor,

Katie (16:26):
Sinead O'Connor,
Yeah.
Mm

Zabe (16:28):
she, she caught, she caught a lot of flack for doing that as well, you know,
but she had a political message that shewas saying, and it's unfortunate that
we live in a society of men that don'twanna hear women tell them what to do.
And especially when it comesto religious topics, which is
insane and stupid and foolish.

(16:50):
And so I remember that makinga lot of waves back in the day.

Katie (16:54):
I loved it.
I really liked it.
I can picture her face.
She had a nose ring.
I think

Zabe (17:02):
Sinead.

Katie (17:02):
the closeup.
No, Joan Osborne in the

Zabe (17:05):
oh, oh oh yeah.
Yeah.
I, I couldn't pick her out of a lineup.
I, I couldn't tell youwhat she looked like.
I was too busy sellingflowers for 80 hours a week.
Back then.

Katie (17:14):
bless you.

Zabe (17:15):
Yeah.

Robin (17:15):
not
Anne Osborn, is she?

Zabe (17:18):
I don't think so.

Robin (17:19):
No.
Yeah,
I

Zabe (17:20):
not.

Robin (17:21):
gonna say.

Katie (17:22):
you mean like Ozzie's

Robin (17:23):
Ozzy,

Katie (17:23):
what you

Robin (17:24):
Sharon, yeah.
Yeah.

Katie (17:26):
don't

Zabe (17:26):
No, I don't think so.

Robin (17:27):
don't think so.
yeah.
yeah, yeah.
Sorry.
I, I assumed that if that was thecase, y'all would, y'all would be like,
yeah, Robin, come on, get with it.

Zabe (17:33):
She would sing the song.
What if God ate a bat's head?
That's the song.
She'd be singing if
She was related to Ozzy.

Katie (17:44):
last name.

Robin (17:45):
yeah.

Katie (17:47):
The Gin Blossoms, very 90s, has the number nine song with Follow You Down.
Till I hear it from you, which Idon't know about you, Robin, but
empire records was like epic for me.
You're maybe you're too young for it,

Robin (18:02):
I,

Katie (18:02):
empire records,

Robin (18:04):
no, I was too young for that one, unfortunately.

Katie (18:07):
it's on that soundtrack.
And that's, I picturethat movie with that song.

Robin (18:12):
Well, I love that song.
I was literally justlistening to it this week.
It's on one of my work playlists.

Katie (18:19):
Oh, nice.
It's very nineties.
I

Robin (18:21):
Oh, yeah.

Katie (18:22):
Now that we're going through these.
Now the last one I had to look up tobecause the name of it is be my lover.
group is LaBouche.
I, I'm not sure I'm pronouncing thatcorrectly, but it is that techno song.
That's like, you want tobe my lover, like that one.

(18:43):
You know what

Robin (18:45):
I'm not sure I know that one.

Katie (18:48):
Well, I'll insert it.

Zabe (19:08):
I remember the band named Labouche, but I couldn't pick that song out.
I
remember the name

Katie (19:15):
I

Zabe (19:15):
so I would yeah I I do remember the name so I don't know i'm
thinking Right around the mid 90s.
We see the harbingers of the
downfall of
modern music as it turns into boy, i'mgonna have a lot of people hating me You

Katie (19:36):
It's a bunch of old people like us.
Anyways.

Zabe (19:38):
well, you know, I don't, I don't want to be that old man saying,
well, music was better in my day, youdarn kids, you know, get off my lawn.

Katie (19:45):
Get off my lawn.

Zabe (19:47):
There's a reason why we're struggling to come up with some
of the names of these bands andremember who they even were.
These were top 10 bands inthe middle of the nineties.
If you give us that samelist from the eighties.
I would bet that even I think Robinwould know a lot of those bands being a
millennial from the eighties, even morethan, than some of these nineties bands.

(20:09):
And that is just to say that theydidn't make quite the same punch in
the pop culture as those 80 bands.
Now I have a theory about that

Katie (20:18):
Hmm.

Zabe (20:19):
Here we are in the, in the nineties, we start to see the beginning of.
Like your Napster'sand your file sharings.
And I mean, it's, it'sright before that I get it.
97 is right before all thatkind of stuff kind of happens.
But as that happens the abilityto distribute music changes music
becomes more niche and people tryingto find their, their own way in

(20:42):
music, and as a, as a result, wedon't have so many commonalities.
Of, of music, if that makes any sense.
There's more outlets so people can chooseto where they get their stuff from now,
it's just like a, a pain glass windowbeing thrown down on a, on a concrete
floor, how it's splintered, you know,people can get music any which way,

(21:05):
and there's no commonality anymore.
And like at all you can go yourwhole life without hearing that
the number one artist, whoever itis right now, if you choose to.
Yeah.

Katie (21:16):
Mm hmm.

Zabe (21:17):
And so, and I think we start to see that around this time of the in
the timeline where music really becomesfractured and people people aren't as
connected musically as they were previous.

Katie (21:32):
Yeah, I, I, you have a point there and I think it maybe
just took longer with TV, but TV

Zabe (21:39):
Yeah, same thing

Katie (21:39):
thing
Just, you know, We

Zabe (21:42):
streaming services and yeah,

Katie (21:44):
Mm

Zabe (21:45):
it's not there's not that Thursday night must see TV on NBC where
everyone's going to sit down and watchthe show and cheers and night court.
All on that same night and make the jokeson Friday before school gets out, you know

Katie (21:58):
Yeah.
We talk about that.
I mean, that's what the show is allabout reminiscing it's nostalgia.
, that's what we're here to do.
So I will say to give creditwhen I do the billboards, it
is for that specific week.
And so there's a lot of changethat happens week over week.
So I guarantee that we'd all know.
You know, the top 25 for theyear, 1996, you know what I mean?

(22:23):
It's

Zabe (22:23):
I'm curious to take that challenge now katie.

Robin (22:26):
We're going

Zabe (22:26):
many labouches are there on that?

Katie (22:29):
No, the year.
I think we'd all know liketop 10, definitely for 96.
We'd all know them.
All right.
So let's maybe move on from music.
What was going on and events of the day.
I think this is wild.
Just toll free numbers in andof themselves are kind of crazy.

(22:51):
Unnecessary now,

Robin (22:53):
Yeah.

Katie (22:54):
but they were very necessary in the 90s and there were so many of
them that we ran out of 800 numbers.
So we had to go to 888.
So that's what happened March of 1996.
The new toll free 888 areacode was introduced in the US.

(23:14):
Mm hmm.
you guys remember the Menendez boys?

Zabe (23:18):
Oh, yeah.

Robin (23:19):
yeah.

Katie (23:20):
You do, Robin?
Or just from they're notorious,

Robin (23:22):
say from Notorious, I couldn't tell you.
Yeah, sorry.
I guess I don't think I mentionedit before, but in 1996, I was five.
So current events wise, Iwasn't really listening.

Katie (23:35):
Well, you know, we have a pretty good spread.
I'm the middle child here.

Robin (23:39):
Yeah, for sure.

Zabe (23:40):
I'm the old man.
Go ahead and say it.

Katie (23:43):
No, no.
No, no.
So they were found guiltyof killing their parents.
That with the verdict came in, inMarch of 1996, do you guys remember
the big panic about mad cow disease?

Robin (23:58):
Yes, because literally, okay, this is relevant.
I, I was living in Germany with my family.
My dad was an army guy growing up andhe, so we were stationed in Germany
for a period of time during that scare.
And I, until recentlycould never donate blood,
but only

Katie (24:17):
you

Robin (24:18):
recently,

Katie (24:18):
there at the
time.
Yeah.

Robin (24:20):
exactly.
So yeah, no, that's literallysomething that has affected my life.
Yeah.

Katie (24:25):
wild.
Yeah.
It's, it seems like it was like reallybig in the UK, but yeah, mad cow disease.
I don't know if either of youare wrestling fans, but I have a
feeling that a lot of listeners are.
Yeah.
Yeah.
From, you know, back in the day,or maybe they still are, but let's
see if I can do Roman numerals.
WrestleMania 12

Robin (24:46):
Yeah.
Yeah.

Katie (24:47):
at Arrowhead Pond of Anaheim, California.
Shawn Michaels beats Bret Hartfor the WWF heavyweight title.
Those are probably the newer names.
If you were a wrestling fan, theywere, you know, mid nineties here.
I, cause I watched it in the eighties,

Zabe (25:04):
Yeah.
Same.
I watched wrestling back when it wasreal with Hulk Hogan and Roddy Piper
and Jimmy Superflesh Snuka.

Katie (25:15):
super real, super real.
A couple of people got married.
Angelina Jolie got marriedto Johnny Lee Miller.
She was

Robin (25:26):
Oh, boy,

Katie (25:27):
20 years old at the time.
They, they divorced in 2000 and at thattime, she then married Billy Bob Thornton.

Zabe (25:38):
Did she get a vial of blood from her first husband to wear as a
necklace as well or just Billy Bob?

Katie (25:43):
it must've been something else because they were too young to be married.
20 and 23, man.
Yeah.
Also Clint Eastwood at the age of65 got married to his second wife.
I don't know who she, DinaRuiz was a news anchor.

Zabe (26:00):
Was she the lead singer for LaBouche?

Katie (26:03):
Maybe.
So they got married in Vegas andno, he is not still married to her.
They got divorced in 2014.

Zabe (26:11):
Clint Eastwood got married to his second wife in Vegas.
That is such a shock to me to hear.

Robin (26:17):
at 65,

Zabe (26:19):
Yeah,
that doesn't seem.

Katie (26:21):
she was 30.
He was 65.
She was 30, which that tracks.
Yeah, I didn't look up.
He's probably married now.
I have a feeling that he, right?
He had a

Robin (26:31):
you must be, yeah, but I could not possibly tell you who.

Zabe (26:35):
He's in like his 90s now.

Katie (26:37):
and he's still working.
He's like 94,

Zabe (26:39):
Yeah.

Katie (26:40):
directing movies.

Robin (26:41):
Yeah.
Directing and starring.
It's crazy.

Katie (26:43):
yeah, it is crazy, but I think that's the key.
Keep working.

Zabe (26:46):
Yeah, my brother was a huge Clint Eastwood fan.
We watched all the ClintEastwood movies growing up.
Not so much anymore though.

Katie (26:54):
yeah, I like his son because he's very good looking.
Scott,

Robin (27:02):
He is.

Katie (27:02):
think is his name.
I'm like,

Robin (27:03):
Yeah.

Katie (27:03):
he's handsome.
I'll, I'll watch whatever he's in.

Zabe (27:07):
Why did both of you ladies start like combing your
hair as soon as you mentioned,
you both tugged at your hair.
As soon as you mentioned ScottEastwood, it's just Oh, wow.

Katie (27:15):
do.
That's so funny that wedidn't even know we did it.
I

Robin (27:18):
No, I literally did not.

Katie (27:20):
oh, funny.
Mm

Robin (27:23):
Oh, no, not over Scott Eastwood.
Oh, amazing.

Katie (27:28):
There was a very famous divorce that I don't remember happening.
Winnie and Nelson Mandela got divorced

Robin (27:38):
Oh.

Katie (27:39):
in March of 1996 after 38 years of marriage.

Zabe (27:44):
Well, I think 30 of those years he was in prison.
So the marriage got along pretty good.

Katie (27:48):
Yeah, I mean that I do think that's kind of the key to a relationship

Zabe (27:52):
Key to the relationship, half of it has to be done from a prison cell.

Katie (27:57):
Just a part

Robin (28:00):
Doesn't necessarily have to be prison, just your, you
know, separation of choice.

Katie (28:03):
yeah, yeah yeah make me miss you.
Mm hmm.
Unfortunately, there is a famous personwho died this time George Burns Do you

Zabe (28:14):
Oh,

Katie (28:14):
George Burns from Oh,
God, Burns

Zabe (28:17):
right.

Katie (28:18):
the comedian and actor?

Robin (28:20):
Yes.

Zabe (28:20):
yeah.

Katie (28:21):
years old

Robin (28:22):
Wow.

Katie (28:24):
And I have a note here that his actual name is Nathan Birnbaum.

Zabe (28:28):
We were not allowed to watch those movies because they
said, Oh God, in them growing up.
That's how like restrictive my parentswere from letting us any kind of
religious satanic panicky type stuff.
It's a comedy.
It's George Burns for crying out loud.
Yeah.
My apologies to any fans.

Katie (28:47):
Catholic now, but I grew up Catholic.
Yeah I would be like, God, and mymom would be like, do you mean gosh
yeah.
So, that was considered theLord's name in vain, but that's
not actually what it means.
Anyways.
Before we get into executivedecision, it was actually the
number 3 at the box office.
At this time in March but some otherbig movies at the time, the bird cage

(29:16):
up close and personal, which was fromsome of the songs were from that.
And I can't place what that is down.
Periscope bound to lost in SanFrancisco, arrow, rumble in the Bronx.
Happy Gilmore.
Mr.
Holland's Opus, which was actually aDecember 95 release, but it's still

(29:37):
topping the box office in March.
And Muppet Treasure Island.

Robin (29:44):
Yes.

Katie (29:46):
again, whenever we have these, it is just wild to me
many just random movies got made.
Very few movies hit the theaternow, so it's, it's interesting

Robin (30:00):
Oh, yeah.

Zabe (30:04):
Those movies that you mentioned, but to say that you're
the number three box office

Katie (30:11):
amongst

Zabe (30:11):
against up against that rose gallery of garbage movies
is not really saying a whole lot
happy Gilmore.
That's probably the bestone on that whole list.
If you ask me

Robin (30:23):
Are you sliding Tim Curry?
Am I hearing this right?

Zabe (30:28):
what movie was that,

Katie (30:29):
was Tim Curry

Robin (30:30):
Muppet Treasure Island, y'all.

Katie (30:32):
I've never seen it.
I've never seen it.
I do love Tim Curry, butI've never seen that movie.

Zabe (30:37):
would never slight the name of Tim Curry.
I, I take it all back.

Robin (30:42):
Thank you.
yes, also Happy Gilmorewas the only other one I

Zabe (30:46):
Yeah,

Katie (30:47):
The Birdcage, Down Periscope, Broken Arrow.
Yeah.
Mr.
Holland's Opus.

Robin (30:53):
yeah, Mr.
Honza was, of course.
Did it win the Oscar the year before?
Or no, it would have been eligible thenext year if it was a December relief.
Never mind, doesn't matter.

Katie (31:01):
No, December.
It would have been a 96 Oscar.

Robin (31:05):
Right?
And it would have been around that time.
I just wonder if longevity had somethingto do with the Oscar race, maybe.
Anyway.

Katie (31:12):
I am not a fan of What's His Face, so I didn't, I didn't really

Robin (31:15):
Oh, who

Zabe (31:16):
I hate what's his face.
Oh,

Katie (31:19):
oh, his name?
He was in Jaws.
The,

Robin (31:23):
doll.

Zabe (31:23):
Richard.
Richard Dreyfuss.

Katie (31:25):
Dreyfus, yes, do not care for Richard Dreyfus, so I was
never skedaddling to see Mr.
Holland's Office.

Zabe (31:33):
I get in arguments with my wife over that movie.
She enjoys that movie.
I find it to be hot garbage.
I really, really disliked Mr.
Holland's opus.
I know a lot of people love it.
But I just couldn't get past Mr.
Holland being such a dack.
He's like, such an awful father.
And, and, but my wife said, oh,but he has redemption at the end.

(31:53):
I'm like, okay.
So he lived.
This child's whole life of being anabsent father, being just unloving and
uncaring about this kid who's got adisability, and he all makes it up because
he learns a few words of sign language?
No.
He doesn't get a pass.
He's a piece of crap.
I'm out!

Katie (32:14):
I remember very little from this, maybe I'm thinking of the wrong movie,
is he not like a conductor of a band or

Zabe (32:21):
Yeah, he is.
And his, his, yes, it is.

Robin (32:24):
he at the high school or something, right?

Zabe (32:27):
But his son is born hearing impaired.
So he cannot share hislove of music with his son.
So because his son, he can'tmold his son to conform
to him and enjoy the things that he loves.
Suddenly his kid is nolonger worthy of his love.
Now, maybe that's a very cynicalway to look at that movie, but you

(32:48):
know, that's one way to look at it.
Like, come on dad.
I, I dunno, maybe I justgot my Gen X trauma of
parental neglect in that

Katie (32:58):
maybe

Zabe (32:59):
our parents.
Demanded that our Children conform towho they are, and it's not until more
recent parental, strategies, if that'sthe right word to say, hey, let me
try and meet my kid where they're atin their lives and try to help them
elevate and become good, decent peoplein this world, rather than I'm going to

(33:21):
beat you down until you conform into,you know, My politics, my religion,
my blah, blah, blah, blah, you know?
So I don't know.
I think people are going tobe who they're going to be.
And Mr.
Holland couldn't be bothered toaccept his son for who he was
rather than who he wanted him to be.

Katie (33:42):
might have to rewatch this movie and see what I think about it.
Cause I don't even, recall it,

Zabe (33:46):
Thanks for coming to my Ted talk, by the way.

Robin (33:50):
was just gonna say, Zave, I think it probably
doesn't hold up for that reason.
I, I think that trope has become alittle bit exactly what you're saying.
Old people are going, isthis something we like?
Is this something we

Zabe (34:01):
Right.

Robin (34:01):
know,
put on a pedestal?
Anyway,

Katie (34:04):
Great point.
Well, I have a couple of questionsfor you too, before we jump into
our executive decision discussion.
So.
And also listeners, if you're new,this season of Reshiramade, season
one, I have dedicated to PatrickSwayze and Kurt Russell, who I have
dubbed the ultimate everyman, right?

Robin (34:25):
absolutely.

Katie (34:26):
either have any thoughts or fandom or anything that you want
to share about either of them?
Oh, nine.

Robin (34:32):
I

Zabe (34:32):
first, Robin.

Katie (34:33):
nine.

Robin (34:35):
again, I, you know, I was probably, this is probably, you know,
with streaming and everything, I get togo back and revisit stuff from the time.
So it's probably comingafter the fact, but.
Oh my gosh, I just love, love them both.
I you know, with Kurt, a lot ofit, frankly, is simply because
I think he and Goldie Hawn arefabulous, love their daughter,

(34:57):
Kate Hudson, you know what I mean?
So that's important to me.
And then Patrick Swayze, I mean, youknow, God, when did, when did he pass?
Cause I think I remember it, but I don't.
Oh nine.
Yeah.
So it was around the time I was inhigh school and I remember being sad
about it because just all of them.
His movie is amazing.

(35:18):
That one SNL sketch where he's,

Katie (35:20):
God.

Robin (35:21):
he's a Chippendales

Katie (35:21):
love

Robin (35:21):
dancer.
Oh, yeah, like I mean, I just,I just think he's wonderful.
You know, I wish we were stillgetting content from him, but

Katie (35:31):
Well said.

Zabe (35:32):
So, absolutely love Kurt Russell from the moment that
I ever saw anything he was in.
From Escape from New York, from the minuteyou see Snake Plissken doing his Snake
Plissken y things, you love Kurt Russell.
You move on to things likeBig Trouble in Little China.
How can you not love Kurt Russell andthat movie, even though a lot of people

(35:55):
pan that movie, they just don't get it.
I think they don't get it.
If you hate that movie, you justdon't understand what it's about,

Katie (36:03):
Oh my God.
It's one of the best.
I love it so much.

Zabe (36:06):
but he's so great.
Cause he can go do likea rom com and overboard.
Kurt Russell can do anything.
Do you actually movie like tango and cash?
I don't know.
I can't remember if he's tangoor cash, but he's so awesome.
He should be both.
So
easy cash.
Okay.
Thank you.

Katie (36:22):
Yeah.
It took me

Zabe (36:23):
Okay.

Katie (36:24):
to think
about it because I

Zabe (36:26):
Right,

Katie (36:26):
too.

Zabe (36:27):
right.
But if you can hold your ownwith Sylvester Stallone, right?
I mean, he's a force of nature,you know, and, and he does.
So, always love Kurt Russell.
So when it came toPatrick Stewart, however,
No, I'm talking about Patrick Stewart,

Katie (36:42):
Oh.

Zabe (36:43):
Patrick Stewart, the bald guy from From Next Generation Star Trek.

Robin (36:46):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Katie (36:47):
What does he have to do with it?

Zabe (36:49):
He's got nothing to do with it, but I'm covering up the fact that I
mispronounced Patrick Swayze's name.
And I'm trying to make it soundas if I'm meant to do that.

Katie (36:55):
like, no, no.
That's what I meant to say.

Zabe (36:57):
Sorry, Patrick Swayze is
always very near and near to my brain.
So yeah, I'm always, he's veryclose to in my train of thought.
Patrick Swayze, please forgive me.
I had a very toxic older brother.
And as the youngest, you know, you kindof take your cues from your older siblings
and my brother, like I said, super toxic.

(37:18):
And if he hated something, itreally put a, a dark cloud over.
It in the house.
So you naturally just becomeprone to also disliking what
your older siblings may, dislike.
Anyways, he hated Patrick Swayze.
And as a result, like I had anegative opinion of Patrick Swayze

(37:38):
for years and years and years.
Although I liked the movies he was in,
although I liked everything you did,

Katie (37:46):
Time out.
How is it possible to hate?
I can see not loving,but hate Patrick Swayze.

Zabe (37:54):
you have to know, you have to know my brother to understand this.
The guy can hate anythingif he sets his mind to it.
Like you said.

Katie (38:01):
Okay.

Zabe (38:02):
Super toxic.
I'm not saying he's right about it.
In fact, he's 100 percent wrongabout his hatred of Patrick Swayze.
I think some girl he had a crush onsaid, Oh, Patrick Swayze, he's so dreamy.
And so suddenly, Oh, I,you know what, that guy was

Katie (38:17):
Oh,

Zabe (38:18):
guy.
You know, so

Katie (38:20):
oh yeah.

Zabe (38:21):
stupid reasons, this one.

Katie (38:22):
of guy thinking he's making that same joke.
The twinkle toes dancing guy.

Zabe (38:27):
Yeah.
Yeah.

Katie (38:27):
your ass too.
And,

Zabe (38:28):
A hundred percent
is jealousy.
At its heart, it's just jealousy, right?
He feels the same way aboutany, name any heartthrob.
You're Johnny Depp, sohe hates Johnny Depp.
He hates Leonardo DiCaprio.
And, and, you know, he hates that guy.
Any, any, name any dude who gets theladies, and he hates them because,

(38:49):
I don't know, because he's jealous.
Anyway, I hope he neverhears this episode do.
Hope none of my family hears this episode.
Let's just
put that out there.

Katie (38:56):
No.
I want you to share it on your socials.

Zabe (38:59):
Well, you know, my listeners can listen to it, but you know, anyways,
So I grew up with this like reallynegative view of Patrick Swayze and
as I got older and broke out fromthat Dark shadow that he put over me.
I'm like Patrick Swayze is awesome.
What's not to love about Patrick Swayze?

(39:19):
So my favorite Patrick Swayze movie is
Uncommon Valor

Katie (39:25):
did you

Zabe (39:25):
and

Katie (39:26):
Uncommon Valor
episode?

Zabe (39:28):
So as I'm preparing for this episode that was the first one I went
to first one to listen to and I'll behonest with you Katie I folded my arms.
I'm like all all upset that I wasn't ableto Be on that episode because that's the
one I really wanted to be on when she wasat patches ways The first thing I thought
I'm like, okay, let's see if these guysthat she has on Can do justice to this

(39:50):
movie the way I would do it and I wantto tell you katie You made the right
choice by having them on instead of me
because they were

Katie (39:57):
to let them

Zabe (39:57):
awesome They were great.
Even with that guy'sreally fake british accent.
It was a great episode
And and and they had much moreintelligent things to say about it
than I would ever have so so good onthem and it was a great episode if
your listeners haven't checked outthat episode yet I highly recommend it.
I think it was a great one

Katie (40:18):
thanks for the plug.

Zabe (40:19):
Yeah, sure.
I plugged people to listen to your showwhile they're listening to your show.
I don't know if that works, but

Katie (40:25):
Well, it does because like I, it's not the most well-known movie, so
some people might only listen to theepisodes of movies they know, you know.

Zabe (40:33):
They're missing out.
I got a lot to say about that movie, butwe're not reviewing that movie but suffice
to say patch sweezy is great He acts hisass off in that movie in a in a shoot
him up like You know war type movie Thisguy is emoting and giving a performance.
And that's what you getwith Patrick Swayze.
Anything he's in, he's gonnagive you a performance.

(40:56):
Even in that, even in thatChippendales SNL thing you guys,
he's still giving a performance.
And, and that's what propels the, youknow, the good actors are just the pretty
faces to the the real people that hasa craft and really applies themselves
to, to the, the craft of acting.
And that's what Patrick Swayze did.
RIP Patrick Swayze.
I want to say publicly, I waswrong about you and I apologize

(41:19):
for ever having a negativethought about you ever in my life.
You're, you're a treasure.

Katie (41:23):
Also extremely well said and I treasure is actually a word that
a lot of people use to describehim He really is a treasure.
I love him.
Okay, this movie has Kurt in itthough, who I also love Now do
you guys think that there is anyresemblance between Kurt and Patrick?

Zabe (41:45):
I've heard you say this on prior episodes

Katie (41:48):
What

Zabe (41:50):
for it.
I think so only when they both havethe kind of mulledy kind of hair going
like that kind of, you know, businessup front party in the back type style.
But you call them the every man.
The first thing I thought of when yousaid everyone, I'm like, dude, these guys
are not every man's, but if you reallydissect what they do, you're right.

(42:12):
They are they really take thatrole, especially in the movie.
We're about to talk about.
He's very much the every man in the,in the scope of the different cast
of characters that we see in thismovie, but we won't go there yet.
So they have comparisons in that.
They got charisma.
Coming out their ears they'reso lovable and maybe, maybe a
little bit in the looks, I guess.
So yeah, I see it.

Katie (42:34):
about you Robin?
What do you think?

Robin (42:36):
I could see it too.
Like Zabe said, I had heard you mentionthis before on the show and I I was, so
it got me thinking about it because Ihadn't really contemplated it before.
ever since then I've been like,oh my gosh, they must have been
constantly going after the same roles.
I never even thought of that.
Yeah, no, of course they were.

Katie (42:53):
Mm-Hmm,

Robin (42:54):
Crazy.
Cause yeah, they're, Imean, great action stars.
Great everyman, like you're saying.
Able to just fall into whatever role,but also able to like, be the relatable
person in the situation, you know.
yeah.
No, I can

Zabe (43:10):
I, I,

Robin (43:10):
it.
You've changed my mind.

Zabe (43:13):
I take it maybe a step further in that they, to say that they're
every man kind of isn't a hundredpercent accurate, but I'd say more.
So they are who the everyman would like to be,

Katie (43:26):
Ooh, that's
an interesting spin.
I like that.
Zabe.
The reason I kind of dubbed themthat was that they kind of were in
the era of the superhuman actionstars like Arnold and Sly, and they
were, I guess, more known for theiracting and could still do the action.

(43:50):
They could do anythingessentially, including the action.
Yeah, but I like that.
That's who the Everyman wants me.
That's the relatable piecethat an Everyman has.

Zabe (44:00):
but I,

Katie (44:01):
always says, let's, I
I,
can picture myself having a beer with them
.Zabe: I don't see Sly or Arnold Schwarzenegger being able to carry a movie
like dressed in drag, like two, one food.
Thanks for everything, Julie Newmar.
Right.
So, they were, they really,
Kurt was dressed in dragon tango and cash.
If you recall for a minute,

Zabe (44:23):
right.
I mean, I'm saying he cando that is what I'm saying.

Katie (44:26):
Oh yeah.
Yeah.

Zabe (44:27):
I don't see Sly and, and, and Schwarzenegger
being able to pull that off.

Katie (44:31):
Oh, no, no.
no.

Zabe (44:33):
Arnold can be pregnant and have a baby, but not dressed as a woman.
He can't.
He had a

Katie (44:39):
odd one, Junior.
Yeah.

Zabe (44:44):
flight of odd ones.

Katie (44:46):
Mm hmm.
I really liked twins, though.

Zabe (44:49):
Sure.

Katie (44:50):
a lot, so.
All right, you guys.
Without further ado, shall weget into the movie, executive?
Decision.

Zabe (45:03):
A hundred percent.

Katie (45:05):
March 15th, 1996.
It's over two hours long.
It's got a 6.
5 IMDB, which having done thisshow for a while is pretty good.
It's hard to get intothe sevens and eights.
Extremely hard.
it's a first time director, Stuart Baird.
This was his debut but he actuallywas nominated for editing.

(45:27):
I don't think he directed anymore, buthe was really more known for an editor
uh, Gorillas in the Mist and the 1978Superman, which I've not seen, but he was
nominated for his editing skills there.

Zabe (45:40):
You've never seen Superman the movie?

Katie (45:43):
I

Zabe (45:44):
Katie, Katie,
we gotta talk.

Katie (45:47):
I'm, I admittedly am not big on superhero movies

Zabe (45:52):
Okay,

Katie (45:53):
of
Batman.

Zabe (45:55):
okay.

Robin (45:55):
How interesting.

Zabe (45:56):
Comic books taught me how to read.
So, I'm, I'm a, I'm a big nerd whenit comes to all that kind of stuff.

Katie (46:02):
I do see the enormous cultural impact that they had.

Zabe (46:06):
I still like you, Katie.
We can still be friends.

Katie (46:09):
you're going to hate me though.
If you listen, I have not seen Star Wars.

Zabe (46:13):
Okay.
Oh no, my connection's getting bad.
I don't think I cancontinue with the podcast.
I

Katie (46:22):
I know certain

Robin (46:23):
my god.

Katie (46:24):
yeah, I know.
But you know, I like all theother stuff, 80s and 90s related.
I will say that the writers here it's kindof an interesting mix that they wrote.
It's Jim and John Thomas, a brother duo.
things that they wrote werePredator, awesome, Wild Wild West.

Robin (46:43):
Oh.

Katie (46:43):
seems very different, but

Robin (46:47):
I did not

Zabe (46:47):
think that

Robin (46:48):
were written by
the same people.

Katie (46:49):
me neither.

Zabe (46:51):
Well, come on.
There's definitely shades betweenthis movie and Predator, right?
I mean, they got their multi culturalspecial forces team going in to take
care of the situation, you know?
All with their colorfulcast of characters, right?

Katie (47:08):
That is so funny that you say that.
I didn't even occur to me, but theywere, it was multicultural team.
Yeah.
Cappy.

Zabe (47:18):
Dutch and Doc and Cappy and all that kind of stuff, yeah.

Katie (47:24):
Well, we have Kurt Russell as our star here and he plays David Grant,
who is the intelligence consultant.
And if you guys have not seen thismovie in three years, 30 ish years.
Here's a quick recap.
Terrorists take over a 747 bound fromAthens to Washington DC, supposedly

(47:46):
to affect the release of their leader.
Intelligent expert, David Grantsuspects another reason and convinces
the military that the plane shouldnot be allowed to enter us airspace.
An assault mission is devised using a spy.
Specially equipped plane that isdesigned for mid air crew transfers.
And Grant finds himself aboard the747 with a team of military anti

(48:09):
terrorists who have to defuse abomb and overpower the terrorists.
So that's the situation we're in.
And we have our Kurt Russell as doctor,he's, he's even got a PhD, David Grant.
Halle Berry is in this,which I did not recall.
I'm not sure if I've seen this.
I'm sure I've seen it before.

(48:29):
I just maybe wasn't paying attention, butshe plays the flight attendant gene, who
is very helpful to the special ops team.
Okay, here's what I found interesting.
Steven Seagal.
Okay.
He is who I rememberedbeing in this movie.
He plays LieutenantColonel Austin Travis and

Robin (48:51):
Excellent.

Katie (48:51):
so he actually in the end, the end credits, Steven Seagal is listed second,

Robin (48:57):
Second build!
Yeah!

Katie (49:00):
but he was not listed at all in the opening credits.
Did you notice that?

Robin (49:06):
I thought it said Anne Steven Seagal cause we were
And maybe I'm wrong.

Katie (49:11):
maybe.
I mean, maybe I missed

Robin (49:13):
We Cause I was watching it with a couple siblings and my boyfriend
and we were like John Leguizamo'sname was first in the opening credits?
That's wild.
And we were trying to figure out why,and then about 15 minutes into the
movie, we were like, oh, that's why.

Katie (49:28):
Yeah, I had not recalled that.
We'll get into

Robin (49:31):
Yeah,

Katie (49:31):
in a

Robin (49:32):
yeah, Yeah,
not this whole anything.

Katie (49:33):
yeah, no, no, no but to your point joglet John Leguizamo plays.
His name is rat specialforces guy and listeners.
We talked about him becausehe was in to Wong Fu.
So we talked about him in that episode.
Oliver Platt.
We also talked about ina previous made episode.
He plays the airplane engineer,Cahill is his name, he was also in

(49:59):
Tall Tale with Patrick Swayze, solisten to that episode if you haven't.
Speaking of Cappy, Joe Morton Cappy.
He's another one of the Special Forcesguys, and he specializes in bombs.
He looked kind of familiar to me, butI couldn't place him, but you might
know him from, he was in Terminator 2,Zack Snyder's Justice League, tons of

(50:23):
TV work including, I didn't watch theshow, but maybe I should now Rowan Pope.
Did you guys see that show?

Robin (50:32):
Oh, I

Katie (50:33):
must, that must be her either husband or brother.

Robin (50:37):
Has been, but it must have been after I stopped watching.
I watched the firstseason and a half of it.

Katie (50:43):
Yeah.
And then apparently he was alsoin speed playing the captain
of a squad who defuses bombs.
So must be his specialty.

Zabe (50:53):
This guy is Oh boy.
He has a lunatic.
He . So, Joe Morton is a, I mean, Idon't mean we love Joe Morton, right?
He's a fine actor.
In all honesty, he was great in T two.
He brought a lot of humanity to thatrole as the the, the dude who's about to
bring about the AI overlords in Skynet.

(51:16):
However he is a method actor.
And in this movie, I mean, are wegiving away some spoilers here?
Because

Katie (51:26):
it?
I, I think I know where you'regoing, but please tell us.

Zabe (51:29):
so in this movie he, he gets a spinal cord injury and spins 90
percent of the very long two hour moviestraps to a gurney through duct tape.
And as a method actor, hespent the entire 43 days.
That they filmed this movie duct tapedto a gurney as an acting as if he in

(51:55):
real life had a spinal cord injury.
So when shooting wraps for this moviehis muscles has had atrophy to the
point that when he walked out hetore both of his Achilles tendons.

Katie (52:08):
Oh
it's

Zabe (52:08):
So,

Katie (52:09):
them.
Oh my

Zabe (52:09):
yeah, so he suffered really life altering injuries
method acting as a person whosuffered life altering injuries.
So that can be taken acting alittle bit too far, but he's great.
He he's good.
Even in this movie, he's good.

Katie (52:29):
I really don't know him very well.
I need to start, I'm going tohave to watch maybe Scandal
or something, but That's

Zabe (52:35):
I just called him.

Katie (52:36):
insane.

Zabe (52:36):
Yeah.
I just called him T2 guy the wholetime when I was watching the movie
in my head.
But yeah, I,

Katie (52:41):
in so long.
Okay.
yeah, I, have to rewatch.

Zabe (52:44):
but, but he's really good.
That dying scene.
He does in T2.
It's good.
It's good work.

Katie (52:49):
We have a sir, we have a sir in, in this movie.
So there's the main terrorist guywho his name is El Said Yaffa.
He's the terrorist leader andhe's played by Andreas Katsoulas.
actually talked about him causehe was in the next of kin episode.

(53:10):
And then his I don't know if it was hislike secondhand, his Lieutenant of the.
Terrorist group, Naji Hassanis played by a Sir David
Suchet, I believe is how you pronounce it.

Robin (53:26):
That's David Suchet?

Katie (53:28):
Yeah.

Robin (53:29):
Oh my gosh.

Katie (53:30):
David Suchet,

Robin (53:32):
yeah,

Katie (53:33):
Poirot!
yeah, Yeah!
TV show.
Mm hmm.

Robin (53:36):
I'm you're blowing my mind here.
I knew him, but I didn'teven clock that it was him.
I never looked it up.
Wow.

Katie (53:45):
Yeah.
I mean, he's like a stage actor too, knownfor A Perfect Murderer, The Bank Job and
that Bat TV series, which I've not seen.
BAFTA nominee.
he didn't look familiar to me, buthe's like very well accomplished.

Robin (54:00):
Yeah.

Zabe (54:01):
I thought it was a name like David Choucher.
He'd be the lead singer of La Bouche.

Katie (54:05):
Yeah.
Good callback.
I like it.

Robin (54:08):
Really good.

Katie (54:09):
And then a very familiar face to me because I love Law and Order SVU.
BD Wong

Robin (54:15):
Yes!

Katie (54:16):
Louie, one of the other special forces people.

Zabe (54:20):
A lot of Asian men named Louie.

Katie (54:22):
Louie.

Zabe (54:24):
I, I, I feel like they cast these characters after they were all written.
And no, you're going to play Louis.
I think BD Wong's haircut does alot of his acting in this movie.

Katie (54:34):
Mm hmm.

Zabe (54:35):
Uh,

Katie (54:36):
Top.
Yep.

Zabe (54:37):
he really, he leans heavy into that.
This is a different kindof role for BD Wong.
He's playing like a toughguy, like shooting fools.
It's, it's, it's good for him.

Katie (54:46):
I thought the same thing.
Very atypical.
It was great.
I mean, and

Zabe (54:49):
Yeah,
He did.

Katie (54:50):
just not used to seeing him in that kind of a role.
Yeah.

Robin (54:54):
No, he and John both looked great.
That was one of the firstthings I wrote down.
I was like, wow.
Really good era for them.

Katie (55:00):
one?

Robin (55:00):
And John
Leguizamo, yeah.

Katie (55:02):
You guys, I knew he was in this.
And the first scene is they'retrying to capture something like a,

Zabe (55:08):
They get in the nerve gas.

Katie (55:10):
Yes, the nerve gas.
so it's this mission and theyhave paint on their faces.
We can see it's special ops guys in thescene and I knew John was in this, but
I, I didn't recognize him until he spokeand I'm like, Oh, there that's him.
gosh.
Yeah.

Zabe (55:25):
My question for everyone listening is Remember the movie they're doing
this nighttime raid to try and getthese terrorists to get the the nerve
gas And they're coming in with theirtheir guns and they got their their
fatigues on they got all their stuff Andthey're doing the nighttime, right and
they got white makeup on their faces.

(55:47):
Did you guys notice that
they've like white

Robin (55:50):
Super weird.

Zabe (55:51):
like guys First rule of nighttime sneaky sneaky ops like
don't paint your face is white

Katie (55:58):
I feel like it was both black and white.
I don't know if they weretrying to camouflage or

Zabe (56:02):
they well, you know, I don't, don't just have a podcast.
I also have a makeuptutorial, a YouTube page,
and you got to put the white basedown before you do, you got your
foundation, Katie, and then youput on the layers, that's it.

Katie (56:17):
Yeah,

Robin (56:18):
I mentioned before that I'm an army brat and I grew up with a dad
sitting next to me on the couch going,now here's why this is all wrong.
You know what I mean?

Katie (56:26):
bet.

Robin (56:27):
so, so to this day, that kind of thing, I just, we, we were
laughing like Steven Seagal doingall this cool stuff with the knife.
I was like, this is hilarious.

Zabe (56:37):
I would love to watch this movie with your dad.

Robin (56:39):
Oh

Zabe (56:40):
That would be so fun.

Robin (56:41):
He came in at one point and said, Steven Seagal's in this.
That's why I haven't seen it.
And then he left.

Katie (56:47):
Now

Robin (56:47):
Yeah,

Katie (56:49):
I will say I am so not a fan of Steven Seagal like
at all for so many reasons.
I don't leave his behavior out of it.
He's a horrible actor, but I will say I.
Was a little surprised hewasn't bad in this granted.
He's in it for 15 minutes.

(57:09):
But yeah,

Zabe (57:11):
Yeah.
Your dad could have watched mostof this movie, Robin, because
Steven Seagal is like barely in it.

Robin (57:16):
I'm gonna tell him.
He should check it out.

Katie (57:18):
He still looks.
All right.
He hasn't gone off the deep end

Robin (57:21):
Yeah,

Katie (57:22):
You

Zabe (57:23):
I don't know.
He's wearing a veryobvious wig in this movie.
If you look at his hair,
look at it really close.
It's it's super wiggy.

Katie (57:30):
of course it is.
But yeah, I mean, he's not.
Obese yet, you know,

Robin (57:36):
No, and and maybe it was simply because they, you know, his
time was limited and so they justgot to keep the gold of his acting.
But he really, it wasn't a, it wasnot a bad, I was expecting it to
be a lot more, you know, cheesyand over the top and everything.
But it was not, it wasn't abad performance for the role.

Katie (57:53):
thought he was pretty restrained.
I'm like, wow.
Okay.

Zabe (57:58):
Restrained.
He's like catatonic.
He's, I mean, that's him acting though.
It's just, Hey, and just likestaring at the camera and Hey.
You know, that's all he like basicallydoes and like bosses everyone around.
And I, he just tells everyonewhat to do and they just do it.
For no apparent reason,you know what I'm saying?
Like,

Robin (58:18):
It's like the acting of the guys following his orders was like
making him seem like he was givinga good performance as a leader.
I

Katie (58:27):
Robin.

Robin (58:28):
I wonder

Zabe (58:28):
yeah, he he's in the movie for 15 minutes.
or whatever it really is, like the amountof screen time is very short, but in
those, that short amount of time, he wasable to get into fights with most every
actor listed in this movie, and directorsand producers nobody had anything good
to say about working with Steven Seagalin this movie, or in life, I guess,

(58:52):
he's just a kind of cantankerous I

Katie (58:55):
about that then.
Like the drama and the rumors surroundingwhy Steven Seagal was in this.
For such a short amount oftime well, a, I did read that.
He is a draw.
Somehow, in some other countries Idid read that his face was added
to the covers and the posters forsome of the foreign markets, like

(59:17):
Indonesia, Germany, Dutch cinema,posters, VHS corners, blah, blah, blah.

Robin (59:22):
Wow.

Katie (59:22):
he was
popular there.
Yeah, and

Zabe (59:26):
got theory on that.

Katie (59:27):
oh, okay.

Zabe (59:28):
Well, he, he became very popular before this movie came out and this is
before the fall of the iron curtain.
And so I think a lot of these peoplecould only get bootleg copies of movies
and the only movies that nobody reallycared about to pursue legally was.
Steven Seagal movies.

(59:49):
So that's why he's very popularamongst the war torn countries

Katie (59:54):
Mm.

Zabe (59:55):
tough macho dude to, to give an example.
And what an example Steven Seagal is.

Katie (01:00:00):
He is.
Well, so according to the former Warnerbrothers, vice president, he stated that.
Seagal had agreed to do the role inexchange for the studio for giving
him for losing his director's salarydue to going over budget with the
directorial debut on deadly ground.

Zabe (01:00:20):
Wow.

Robin (01:00:21):
Wow.

Katie (01:00:23):
And then the rumors that we talked about was there were rumors
that he was written out as opposed to,

Robin (01:00:30):
being part of the plan the whole time.
Yeah.

Katie (01:00:31):
Yeah.
The forward facing publicly is that was,that was just, we, we were wowed by it.
I actually was like, Ohshit, Steven Skull's dead.
Okay.

Robin (01:00:41):
Yeah.

Katie (01:00:42):
cause I haven't, I didn't remember watching this movie.
So.
Was it a plot device or was it dueto some behind the scenes issues like,
he's notorious for sexual sexuallyharassing people domestic violence.
And to your point, Zay, by gettingin fights with people on the set.
Ego control issues.

Zabe (01:01:03):
So when they're flying up in the stealth fighter or whatever plane
that was, and they get the littlelike suction cuppy thing up into the
bottom of the, the airliner, And theymake such a big deal out of it all.
If you've seen any movies At all, youknow that well, there's a reason why
they're building the tensioner Someone'sgetting sucked out of that plane

(01:01:26):
and someone's gonna go flying away.
So I I called my shot Well, well surelythere'll be some Fisticuffs at the
end and someone's gonna get sucked outAnd the big bad guy will get sucked
out of the plane and like probably gothrough the engine on his way out Right,

Katie (01:01:39):
yeah.

Zabe (01:01:40):
what I called, you know,

Katie (01:01:41):
right.
Mm

Zabe (01:01:41):
yeah, so i'm like, okay.
Well, this is here here it comes andsuddenly There goes Steven Seagal.
He's like getting sucked out the plane.
He's gonna die.
And I'm like, I looked atmy wife when we're watching.
I'm like, did Steven Seagal just die?
Like, did they just get ridof Steven Seagal so early?
And that, to me, in all honesty,that's my favorite part of the movie.

(01:02:03):
It's not because I got to see StevenSeagal fall from 30, 000 feet.
It's just because it was such a surprise.
And to their credit in these kinds ofaction type movies where things kind
of go by the, by the numbers mean
they foreshadow things, you know, fromthe beginning of the movie, you see
it coming a mile away Kurt Russell.
Learning to

(01:02:23):
taking flying lessons.
Okay.
Well, clearly he's goingto have to land the plane.
Oliver Platt
chewing on that thing from the get go,
chewing on a straw.
Like he has that thingthroughout the whole movie.
He's like, they don't do that kindof stuff unless there's a reason why.

Katie (01:02:37):
It has to be paid off.
Yeah,

Zabe (01:02:38):
Right.
There has to be a payoff.
Right.
So you see all that come in,they were able to throw a
couple of curve balls in you.
And this was the best one.
And I think the best part of the movie.
I

Katie (01:02:50):
there were some good moments.
I did think it tension veryeffectively Yeah, leg Seagal
just to wrap that that up.
He's got stories aboutphysically being assaulted by

Robin (01:03:04):
Oh,

Katie (01:03:04):
him

Robin (01:03:05):
I just was, I didn't know that Leguizamo and him had
come to blows, that's crazy.

Katie (01:03:09):
The story is

Zabe (01:03:10):
think it's Kurt Russell.
Oh, like

Robin (01:03:14):
Oh, really?
Wow.

Katie (01:03:17):
So there was rumor that Kurt that really disliked him and
that's why they wrote him off.
And then John Leguizamo wrote in hisautobiography that filming, so Steven
Seagal, apparently, I don't know thisman, but apparently, according to John
he physically attacked him becauseduring rehearsals, Seagal had come

(01:03:38):
in and told the cast, I'm in command.
What I say is law.
John thought he was joking,apparently, you know, according
to John, he thought he was joking.
So he started to laugh and Seagalproved him wrong by slamming him
against a brick wall with an Aikidoelbow, knocking all the air out of
him, dropping him to the ground.

Zabe (01:03:58):
What I think, in Steven Seagal's defense, he might have
been taking acting lessons from JohnMorton and just being in character

Katie (01:04:06):
Oh, yeah,

Zabe (01:04:08):
I'm just kidding.
There's no way that's true.
Steven Seagal's a dack.

Robin (01:04:12):
and there's no way that that's okay either way.

Katie (01:04:15):
So these two had a falling out, so to speak later.
So Leguizamo confirmed that he confirmedhe did not have a good time with Seagal.
No one has.
According to the observer, Seagalthreatened to attack Leguizamo if
they ever crossed paths the redcarpet after learning that John
had mocked him on his comedy show.

(01:04:37):
However, Leguizamo sayshe was not threatened.
And his clap back was, I don't think he'sinvited to a lot of red carpets anyway.

Robin (01:04:48):
That's

Zabe (01:04:49):
I can't imagine Steven Seagal and John Leguizamo
having a whole lot in common.
You know, they're not goingto be buddies no matter what.

Robin (01:04:55):
in the same circles.

Katie (01:04:57):
no, but I do I have a tendency to lean towards lean believing
John, just because there were somany reports of everybody having
very similar problems with him.
Mm

Zabe (01:05:07):
I lean towards believing John Leguizamo too because my alternative
is believing Steven Seagal.

Katie (01:05:14):
That's true.
That's true.
There's a couple otherpeople that I wanted to shout
out for a couple of reasons.
So whip Hubley he played Baker,another one of the special forces guys.
He is most known for playingHollywood in top gun.

Robin (01:05:29):
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, we were just talking about that.

Katie (01:05:31):
And I covered North and South the mini series with Patrick
Swayze, and he was in book two of that.
So we covered that.
But did you guys, do you guys knowwho Whip Hubley is to Kurt Russell?

Robin (01:05:44):
No.

Katie (01:05:45):
His ex

Zabe (01:05:45):
He got him,

Katie (01:05:46):
Kurt

Robin (01:05:47):
What?

Katie (01:05:48):
used to be married to Season Hubley, Whip's sister.

Robin (01:05:53):
Wow.
Wow, it must have been very friendly.

Katie (01:05:57):
Yeah, yes, it's their ex brother in law's because they, they had been
divorced for quite a while by this time.
That family has interestingnames, Season and Whip.
And then, an actor who Kurt reallyrespects, and I do too, and he's been
in four movies with Kurt, JT Walsh.
He played the high profile senator.

Robin (01:06:19):
Oh,

Katie (01:06:19):
ends up

Robin (01:06:19):
yeah.

Katie (01:06:20):
shot Mavros.
So we've already talked about JT Walsh,because he was also in a breakdown with
Kurt and backdraft and then this movie.
And then a, a yet to be coveredin season one tequila sunrise.
So he incurred four movies together,

Zabe (01:06:39):
That guy's in a lot of stuff.
I mean, he always plays kind of the samekind of dude, just like, he's always
in a suit, you know, or always likewearing a tie or something like that.

Katie (01:06:48):
except for in breakdown, he plays a trucker.

Zabe (01:06:51):
Oh, well,

Katie (01:06:52):
Yeah.
No, he's a really good
actor.
I do.
I do quite like him.
And then I'm sure you guys clockedthe old Marla Maples as one
of the other flight attendants

Robin (01:07:00):
Oh,

Zabe (01:07:00):
I did.

Robin (01:07:01):
Oh,

Zabe (01:07:02):
She doesn't have one line of dialogue, I think, in the whole movie.
She just kind of like, panda mimes,
and you see her kind of like,oh, and whispers and stuff

Robin (01:07:09):
You're right.
I think at one point shesaid Halle Berry's name.

Zabe (01:07:14):
I think she,

Katie (01:07:15):
Yeah.

Robin (01:07:15):
the blonde lady at the very beginning that's like,
Friends with Halle Berry.
Yeah.

Katie (01:07:20):
I got them.

Robin (01:07:21):
Anyway.

Zabe (01:07:22):
guys,
Are you guys talking aboutElaine, Joan Wilder's sister from,
from Banshee the Stone?

Katie (01:07:27):
That's her.

Zabe (01:07:28):
That's her

Katie (01:07:29):
the

Robin (01:07:30):
Wow.

Katie (01:07:30):
name?
The one that died pretty quickly.

Robin (01:07:33):
I don't remember.
I just remember they kept showingher big engagement ring and I
was like, Ooh, she's doomed.

Katie (01:07:38):
you, is that who it is?

Zabe (01:07:40):
Yeah, that's, I don't, I don't know the actor's name, but I know
her as Elaine Joan Walder's sister.
She never made it toCartagena in this movie.

Katie (01:07:48):
The Joan Wilder.
I

Zabe (01:07:52):
I read your books.
I
read all your books.

Katie (01:07:54):
that movie so much.
Oh my God.
Last person, I was going to ask you ifyou guys recognized the air marshal,

Robin (01:08:01):
You know,

Katie (01:08:01):
who played him.

Zabe (01:08:03):
Oh yeah.

Robin (01:08:03):
super familiar, but I couldn't tell you something else he's been in, though.

Zabe (01:08:08):
Robin, I don't want you to jump to any conclusions about what
other movie he might've been in.

Robin (01:08:15):
Jump

Zabe (01:08:16):
Cricket.
Cricket.

Katie (01:08:17):
Oh, maybe.
Have

Robin (01:08:18):
no.
No.

Katie (01:08:19):
Space?

Robin (01:08:20):
Oh, I haven't seen Office Space, but that might be what, that might be
what my boyfriend recognized him from.

Katie (01:08:27):
The actor's name is Richard Rael.
He also plays Donal Logue's dad inthe TV series grounded for life.

Robin (01:08:37):
Oh, okay.
That's not one I watchedreligiously, but I do, I do
absolutely recognize him from that.

Katie (01:08:43):
that's him Jerry Goldsmith did the music very very very
very famous Jerry Goldsmith.
What did you guys think of the music?

Zabe (01:08:51):
So I have got thoughts.
I love Jerry Goldsmith.
He, that guy's a legend in this business.

Katie (01:08:57):
Oh

Zabe (01:08:57):
But I tell ya, when I'm watching the end of this movie and Kurt
Russell's trying to land this plane,It almost looked like a shot for
shot remake of 1980s airplane movie.
Like it's coming in, like the, thewheels break, there's a fire on it.
It's worse out of controland like nose dies down.
Like it's but the music soundedexactly like that scene too, to me.

(01:09:21):
And you know, I leaned over my wifeand said, as it's crashing down, I'm
like we just want to say, good luck.
We're all counting on you.
And it's it's almost felt like a parody
at that point.

Katie (01:09:31):
it's funny because it's like the genre has just continued
to create more of the same moviethat Airplane already parodied.

Zabe (01:09:40):
Right.

Katie (01:09:40):
you mean?
Yeah.

Zabe (01:09:41):
Right.
Right.
Right.
But I couldn't help, but noticelike it almost looked shot for shot.

Robin (01:09:47):
I'll say, I was, I was hoping for a more like, I guess,
I was hoping for the soundtrack tomake more of an impression on me

Katie (01:09:54):
Same.

Robin (01:09:55):
that it was Jerry Goldsmith.
There was one moment, though,that I wanted to point out that
had me kind of giggling was whenI The guy says executive decision

Zabe (01:10:04):
Yeah.

Robin (01:10:05):
end.
There's a little bit of atrumpet background thing
that he added to the melody.
And I just, it totally got me.
I was dying.

Katie (01:10:13):
Oh, I missed that, but I definitely caught, oh, the name of the movie in

Robin (01:10:16):
Oh yeah,

Katie (01:10:16):
Yeah.
Did you guys know that this moviegot a nomination for an award?

Robin (01:10:24):
For

Zabe (01:10:24):
I don't think it was that one.

Katie (01:10:26):
Razzie, a Razzie,

Robin (01:10:28):
Oh, gotcha.

Katie (01:10:31):
Sigal, we're supporting actor, which is ironic because I
actually thought he wasn't that bad.

Robin (01:10:37):
Because we were just saying, oh, as they go, you know, not the worst.
That's so funny.

Katie (01:10:41):
55 million is they spent on it.
gross.
What were you, do youhave thoughts about the

Zabe (01:10:51):
I have lots of thoughts about the money this movie made, or rather the
money that the distribution company lost.

Katie (01:11:02):
Oh really?

Zabe (01:11:04):
Oh, yeah.
Okay, so this movie has a veryinteresting distribution deal between
Paramount and Warner Brothers.
It was originally a Paramount moviebut they, they worked a deal to swap
the rights For executive decision togo to another movie because they had
a similar budget 55 billion bucks.

(01:11:24):
So, Paramount switched therights for executive decision
for the rights for Forrest Gump.
So

Katie (01:11:32):
I

Zabe (01:11:32):
how'd that work out well for you Warner brothers, Gump went on to make
about 680 million and executive decisionbarely made back their production budget.
So,

Katie (01:11:44):
was what Forrest Gump
made.

Zabe (01:11:47):
I think that's just domestically.

Katie (01:11:48):
Wow.

Zabe (01:11:50):
but I think it was just domestically.

Katie (01:11:51):
Okay.

Zabe (01:11:52):
Also Gump also went on to win six academy awards and the soundtrack
alone for Forrest Gump made moremoney than executive decision did.

Katie (01:12:03):
That I, I can picture my double disc CD for

Zabe (01:12:09):
Same.

Katie (01:12:09):
that
I had.
Yeah.

Zabe (01:12:11):
it too.

Katie (01:12:12):
That's it.
Oh, you know what?
I think I was readingsomething about that.
They, the reason for the swap was like,Something to do with Rain Man, didn't
want to be perceived as having two bigmovies with someone with challenges,

Robin (01:12:26):
Wow.
Ah,

Zabe (01:12:28):
yeah, I get it.

Katie (01:12:30):
time.
When was Rain Man?
I thought that was way earlier though.

Zabe (01:12:33):
I think Rayman, I thought Rayman was 80, 98,
but I could be wrong.

Katie (01:12:39):
I was thinking it was like, 89.
I don't know.

Zabe (01:12:42):
Okay.
It could be,

Katie (01:12:43):
Well,

Zabe (01:12:44):
only there was a device.

Katie (01:12:45):
only,
I

Zabe (01:12:46):
the
88,

Katie (01:12:47):
88,
Okay.

Zabe (01:12:49):
1988.

Katie (01:12:49):
Cause this was unless, you know, I feel like a lot of times
movies, they talk about them for likeyears before they actually get made.
So maybe that,

Robin (01:12:58):
Yeah.

Katie (01:12:59):
to do

Robin (01:12:59):
Maybe they could have been in production around the same time.
I don't know.

Katie (01:13:02):
guys both seen this movie before rewatching it for the show?

Robin (01:13:11):
It was my first time seeing it.

Zabe (01:13:14):
I was too busy watching Forrest Gump back in the day
to watch this in the theater.
So I this was the first time for me aswell, which I'm kind of surprised that
this movie passed me by because thiswould have been the kind of movie that
were, was up my alley mid nineties.

Katie (01:13:28):
Yeah.

Zabe (01:13:28):
I

Katie (01:13:28):
something

Zabe (01:13:29):
it.
Yeah,
but it has Stephen Segal in it.
So why do I want to go and watch it?
I know it's going to be garbage.

Katie (01:13:35):
But
he, yeah, he did have a momentwhere people didn't know about
all of his behavioral issues.
Right.

Zabe (01:13:41):
yeah, but he, he was a
cancer to movies.
Even then, in my opinion, likehe, he made dumb movies and this
movie wasn't trying to be dumb.
Like this movie was trying to be verysmart and it's trying to be a thriller.
Almost like a diehard type movie,you know, like something that's, they
were shooting for the fences here orswinging for the fences, rather they

(01:14:04):
really wanted to have something here.
And I don't know, we neverreally talked about this.
Do you guys like the movie?

Robin (01:14:11):
Oh, I mean, it was a really fun watch.

Katie (01:14:14):
Yeah,

Robin (01:14:15):
I mean,

Katie (01:14:15):
feel
that similar like It from a qualityperspective, it's not the thing.
It's like, it is if you watch itthrough the lens of this is what it is.
It's just it's going to be a funaction thriller plus like Kurtz in it.
So I did have fun watching it.

(01:14:35):
I do think it was far too long,

Zabe (01:14:39):
Oh yeah.
A hundred percent.

Katie (01:14:40):
but I did enjoy it.
Did you not enjoy it?

Zabe (01:14:46):
Robin, did you say whether you liked it or not?
You said, you're

Robin (01:14:49):
it was a fun watch, yeah.

Zabe (01:14:50):
sure this is the kind of movie that you don't want to watch by yourself.
I think.
You kind of got to experience thismovie with somebody and either
you're going to be on board with it.
Like you said, you kind ofgot to know what it's about
and kind of just roll with it.
And if everyone's in agreement,we're And wants to have a good time
together, then it can be great.
But if you're also in the agreementthat you want to watch it and make

(01:15:12):
fun of it, you can do that too.
And,

Katie (01:15:15):
No,

Zabe (01:15:16):
kind of in that camp of you know, looking at Steven Seagal's
hair plugs and Making comments like,nitpicking it a little bit, which is
kind of fun to do with movies as well.
Yeah, so I think this movie came.

Katie (01:15:28):
it.
Let's
nitpick
it.

Zabe (01:15:29):
you know, I mean,

Katie (01:15:30):
nits.

Zabe (01:15:31):
here's the thing.
People are going to tune into this episodebecause they like this movie and they'll,
they'll see all the different movies lateand I don't want to, I don't want to throw
cold water on something that they like,you know, so I'm kind of hesitant to say.
Some of the things, how I feel ofthis movie, because I don't want to
knock something that people like.
So what kind of jerk does that?
But this movie wasn't very good.

Katie (01:15:54):
However,

Zabe (01:15:57):
This movie wasn't very good.
Yeah,

Robin (01:15:59):
but I
also it seems like the kind of movietoo, though, where the people who
love it are also they love it becauseof some of the nitpicky stuff.
Like,

Zabe (01:16:07):
sure.

Robin (01:16:07):
because of,

Katie (01:16:08):
that they're aware

Robin (01:16:09):
yeah, yeah, and so I think, I don't know, like especially for coming
at it from a, oh, this was a fun towatch thing, I'm like, that's okay.
I, one of the things I kept sayingwas like, can someone get Kurt
Russell a change of clothes?
Why is he still in the tux the whole time?

Zabe (01:16:26):
Yeah.
They do a lot of weird thingslike that in this movie.

Robin (01:16:29):
so late.

Katie (01:16:30):
yes.

Robin (01:16:31):
Anyway.

Katie (01:16:32):
him.
I liked
seeing him in the text, but I do have,

Robin (01:16:34):
For sure.

Katie (01:16:35):
a note.
Well, okay.
Kurt's handsome.
And in this, he's alreadystart, he's getting some of the,
his, he's known for his hair.
He's got great hair.
He's starting to getsome of the salt in it,

Robin (01:16:44):
Mm hmm.

Katie (01:16:45):
I was like, all right, I'm digging it.
He does at some point change intoa hoodie and slick back his hair,

Robin (01:16:51):
Yes!
At the very end.
That's right.

Katie (01:16:55):
Then he lands the plane, off the plane, and now he's all of the sudden got
perfect hair, and he's in his Toxicon!

Robin (01:17:04):
When you put the jacket back on, I was losing my mind.

Katie (01:17:08):
I'm like, wait, what, did he ch where, what?
Okay.
And his

Zabe (01:17:11):
He's,

Robin (01:17:12):
Incredible.

Zabe (01:17:13):
a, he's got a plan and strategy to talk about hockey with
Holly Berry at the end of this.
So he's got to look sharp.

Katie (01:17:20):
Mm

Robin (01:17:20):
Oh, who also had perfect makeup, by the way.
Insane.

Katie (01:17:26):
She, yeah, her lipstick never got smudged and all of this.

Robin (01:17:30):
She looked gorgeous no matter what was happening.
Oh yeah, for sure.

Katie (01:17:33):
She does.
However,

Zabe (01:17:36):
It's stuff like that, though, Katie, that, that bugged me about the
movie because it seems so much likethey're checking boxes of what does
a Hollywood movie need to be like,
we got to have

Katie (01:17:47):
That

Zabe (01:17:49):
a romance in it, you know, they got to have weird tension build
up for no reason with no payoff.
There was some of that in there anda lot of us, we felt familiar as if
they were borrowing from other movies,you know, I mentioned die hard.
There's a point in this movie with the,the dude, I think it's John Leguizamo

(01:18:12):
makes Kurt Russell take off his shoes.
And they make a big deal like he smellshis socks or whatever they make some haha
about that and And he goes through and

Katie (01:18:20):
I hated that.
But I did read John.
That was an ad lib by John.

Zabe (01:18:25):
Huh

Katie (01:18:26):
was not a fan.
Like they got in an argument about it

Robin (01:18:29):
That is amazing.
I like the line way more now, honestly.

Katie (01:18:34):
were a couple of jokes that I'm like, ugh, but to your point
about, this is a template, yougot to throw in some one liners.

Zabe (01:18:39):
Right, but but but why so he takes off his shoes.
He goes does his thing He comesback puts his shoes back on like
are we watching an episode of mrRogers neighborhood or why is he

Katie (01:18:49):
Well,

Zabe (01:18:49):
like
he literally takes his shoes offand puts on a sweater in this movie.
This is mr.
Rogers

Katie (01:18:54):
well, cause he's in a tux and he's got the dress shoes.
And was supposed to be likeall these, like the special
ops guys, and then this clean.
Guy literally in a tux.
And he, you know, but, but he has toget his hands dirty and through their
experience together at the end of themovie, they have respect for him again.

(01:19:17):
It's a trope.
It is a trophy movie forsure, but it's the mid 90s.
What do you want?

Zabe (01:19:22):
Yeah

Robin (01:19:23):
no, for
sure, and I love a good trope.
I guess I'm going, oh, okay, thatdoes give the whole Tuck situation
a little bit more meaning thanI was, like, initially thinking.
Anyway.

Zabe (01:19:33):
This movie was made during an era in the 90s where every action
film required a tension filledmoment where a star has to be like
dangled on some sort of wire harness.
That wire harness thingbugs the crap out of me.
It's like, it seems so pointless.
It's like, well, it's, we can'tjust have them crawl around
in this fuselage or whatever.

Katie (01:19:51):
Well,

Zabe (01:19:51):
We got to make it,

Katie (01:19:53):
Cause it's cool.
It's cool.

Zabe (01:19:56):
well, it's very cool.
They're in 30, 000 feet.
There's ice on the thing.
That thing's not pressurized out there.
I don't think that part ofthe plane is pressurized.
It certainly isn't insulated
because they'd crashedthrough the insulation.

Katie (01:20:09):
Wipe

Zabe (01:20:09):
Yeah.

Katie (01:20:10):
ice

Zabe (01:20:10):
They use, they use, Right.
So in this movie, another thing thatdrives me crazy is also during a time
where every sort of electronic device hadto have a sound effect attached to it.
Every keystroke had to have a clicketyclack and a boop, boop, and a sweep
and a, like the radars making noise,the hard drives making noise and the
bomb, every everything's everything,electronics making a ton of noise,

(01:20:34):
except for the power tools that theyuse to drill holes through metal
and to sneak the cameras through.
It's like,
Come on, guys.

Katie (01:20:42):
Again,

Zabe (01:20:43):
a

Katie (01:20:43):
that was

Zabe (01:20:43):
movie, but,

Katie (01:20:45):
high tech in 1996.
They were trying to showcase that.
Right.

Zabe (01:20:49):
okay, metal and a drill bit still make noise.
There's no silencer for metal.

Katie (01:20:54):
giving you a hard time.
I'm like, again because I watchedit through the lens of I know
what I'm getting myself intowith this movie, movies like that
are still fun to poke fun at.

Robin (01:21:03):
The

Katie (01:21:03):
yeah
I mean,

Zabe (01:21:05):
I enjoyed watching it.
Don't get me wrong.
I enjoyed watching the movie.
I'm glad I watched it.
And I had a big pucket ofpopcorn and soda and I just
enjoyed the hell out of it.
So, I don't, I don't

Katie (01:21:15):
movie

Zabe (01:21:16):
Yeah

Katie (01:21:16):
but like for real though, I'm actually curious.
Robin, you might know becauseyou come from a military family.
Is that a thing that can happen?
This, this plane

Robin (01:21:28):
point, I have,

Katie (01:21:30):
docks to another plane and then you can get on another plane?
Like, is that a thing that can happen?

Robin (01:21:36):
I have never heard of that before, and honestly, I wish I had asked my
dad before I came up, because I don'tthink he saw that part, I kept being
like, okay, this is cool, but seemsinsane, and I was literally thinking.
If they do this without anyoneon the big plane noticing, then
that's like extra, that's so lame.
So I actually enjoyed that fora minute it was really like

(01:21:56):
messing with the big plane, right?

Katie (01:21:58):
Mm hmm.

Robin (01:21:59):
But one thing I did think that was actually clever about
it, my boyfriend pointed it out tome, was the ship name was Remora,

Katie (01:22:06):
Mm

Robin (01:22:07):
which is a kind of fish that latch, like they latch onto sharks.
And then they like ridearound on the shark.
Isn't that interesting?
Yeah, isn't that interesting?

Katie (01:22:15):
I missed that.
I'm too dumb.

Robin (01:22:18):
Oh, same.
I would not have known.
I was really glad he wasthere to tell me, but,
but I thought that was,I thought that was cool.
And honestly, Kyle, part of me reallywants it to be possible, but I have a
feeling, no, like I remember at one pointthe engineer said, Oh, we're just entering
the jet stream, but then they go underthe plane and I'm like, shouldn't the

(01:22:39):
jet stream be effing with them again?
So I feel like there'ssome stuff with that.

Katie (01:22:43):
go past something and then there's like a

Robin (01:22:47):
A pocket maybe.
Yeah.

Katie (01:22:49):
Kind of, and then, I mean, there were a lot of things that I'm like, wow.
I mean, it's the, action thriller in themid nineties was not grounded in reality.
I feel like

Robin (01:23:01):
no.
And nor should it be.

Katie (01:23:05):
also, how easy is it to get explosives and guns on planes?
Cause there were lots of

Robin (01:23:09):
Yeah, this was definitely before 2001.
Good lord.

Katie (01:23:14):
but ironic that it's like kind of the, yeah.

Robin (01:23:17):
I know!
I kept thinking,
I kept thinking like, oh man, like I know,I know that that wasn't the first, you
know, plane hijack that ever happened,but it did make me think, oh god, this
feels so foreshadowy and stressful
just five years out, you know?

Zabe (01:23:36):
there's a lot of like problematic
racial stereotyping and religiousstereotyping going on in this movie too.
This movie definitelycould not be made today.
As is,

Robin (01:23:47):
Especially with the white British guy playing the main.
My sister even mentioned something abouthis foundation seems a little dark.
You know what I mean?
Things that, things that justwould not fly anymore today.

Zabe (01:24:01):
well, I put a button on, on the ridiculous parts of this movie.
I thought that the most ridiculouspart of all was when Kurt Russell is
fighting with the sleeper guy, which,which I thought, by the way, I think
that was a fun twist because I was.
Convinced it was that dude becausethey they do throw a little switch
in there and it's some guy with

Katie (01:24:22):
Good
point.

Zabe (01:24:23):
apparently like

Robin (01:24:24):
that

Zabe (01:24:24):
don't really explain the diamonds, but Brandon's got a fistful of diamonds
and that's why he's freaking out But Ithought that was a good little twist and
then they see the other guy when they'refighting And they they shoot the sleeper
dude a little bit But he's still aliveand then kurt russell falls down And he
gets his leg caught in some sort of foodservice cart or whatever it was You And he

(01:24:45):
has to wrestle with the wounded sleeper onthe ground for control of the, the Kindle
that is controlling the bomb or whatever.
It's like,

Katie (01:24:53):
control.
Bum detonator.

Zabe (01:24:55):
right, right.
But it's like, he's doing iton like a speaking spell or
something like some sort of like

Robin (01:25:00):
like

Zabe (01:25:00):
antiquated.
Yeah.
It just, it seems it was like, well, thishamfisted here building this tension.
Oh, I can see him writing it.
It's Oh, then he gets hisleg caught in a food cart.
And then Oh, that's so scramble.
Tension there is.

Katie (01:25:16):
There

Zabe (01:25:16):
seemed a little

Robin (01:25:17):
I'll

Zabe (01:25:17):
forced.

Robin (01:25:18):
I felt, I was feeling the dungeon though.
I was genuinely like, Whathappens if he hits enter?
I know this is crazy, butwhat happens if he hits enter?

Zabe (01:25:26):
But they do that crazy zoom to the enter button.
You know, what happened?

Robin (01:25:29):
it's so close.

Zabe (01:25:31):
Robin, I can tell you what happens when he pushes the enter button.
There will be a computer sound effect up.
Because they can't helpthemselves, but make sound effects
for every electronic device.

Robin (01:25:41):
You're right, you're right.

Katie (01:25:43):
There was a tense.
Moment, like every 10 minutes,but it was like almost too many.
Like it was good.
I was like, dang, like even the, whenthe co pilot goes down to check out
what's going on, when Halle Berryanswers, there's just like so many
points where you do feel the tension,which is good, but then by the time

(01:26:05):
that the movie is supposed to end, I'mlike, dear God, there's yet another

Robin (01:26:09):
Oh.

Zabe (01:26:10):
Yeah,

Robin (01:26:10):
they're landing the plane, I was, I was back to kind of
laughing again, because I waslike, Oh, this is, this is wild.

Katie (01:26:17):
how

Robin (01:26:18):
at the manual.
This is amazing.

Katie (01:26:21):
and then, then he misses the yeah, there's,

Robin (01:26:23):
Gosh, yes.

Katie (01:26:24):
many fake outs are there of like, okay, we're safe now,

Robin (01:26:27):
You're right.
You're right.

Katie (01:26:29):
I think that's, for me, I was like, it was too many.
I'm like, Jesus, butI did feel the tension

Robin (01:26:37):
yeah.

Katie (01:26:38):
So there were, you know,

Zabe (01:26:40):
this movie needed some judicious editing.
100 percent

Katie (01:26:43):
Mm hmm.

Zabe (01:26:44):
a little factoid here.
They I think one of the reasons whyit goes on so long or feels long
asleep because there's a lot ofaircraft porn going on in this movie.

Katie (01:26:54):
Yeah.

Zabe (01:26:55):
fan of, of F14 Tomcats taken off on from aircraft carriers,
this movie's got you covered
because there's plenty of it.
And one fun little fact was the, the,those jets were on loan from the Navy,

Katie (01:27:09):
Mm

Zabe (01:27:09):
and there were a squadron called the Jolly Rogers, and this was like
one of their, their final missions,is something I read, and when I was
watching it, I was thinking like, wow,the, the models that they used for
this movie, they look really good,like, I really believe that those are
fighter jets escorting this plane.
And then I read moreabout him, like, oh, wait,

(01:27:30):
because they really were,

Katie (01:27:31):
Yeah, that's

Zabe (01:27:32):
they really,
yeah.
So, yeah, they really went all out.
And like I said, their hearts were inthe right place with this movie and they
really wanted to make something special.
And some of the actors literally gavetheir, their body up for this movie.
For this movie and you can't, you can'tthrow too many rocks at that because
people really tried their best andpeople put a lot of work into this movie.

(01:27:55):
Marla Maples wasn't one of themand neither was Steven Seagal.
However, those who did put a lot ofwork into it, like my hats off to you.
The movie was successful in, inparts, but there was, there was
parts of the movie that really wereunsuccessful and, and weighed the
movie down as a whole, in my opinion.
Although I'm glad I watched it.

(01:28:15):
I'm glad I only rented itand didn't have to buy it.
And cause I don't, I don't think I'dwatch it again unless someone said,
Hey, I've never seen this movie.
Are you interested?
And we wanted to share a bucketof popcorn and, and have a
good time talking about it.
So if that's you listening outthere and you've never seen it.
Then know what you're gettinginto and, and, and check it out.
You know, you, you mightlike it more than I did.

(01:28:36):
And, and that's good too.
A

Katie (01:28:38):
I love those.
As we're nearing the close,those are some great thoughts.
A couple of bits of trivia.
Did you, are you guys aware thatKurt Russell actually in real
life does have a pilot's license?

Zabe (01:28:50):
He has several.

Robin (01:28:51):
I knew that.
That's cool.

Katie (01:28:53):
Both he and Patrick, they share that too.
They're both

Robin (01:28:56):
That's awesome.

Katie (01:28:57):
license.
Yeah.
And so Halle Berry did not want todo this movie and I, there wasn't
anything spectacular about her role.
I don't know, like shewas fine and I like her.
But I guess this was her firstmillion dollar payday they gave her.
So she changed.

Robin (01:29:13):
Good for her.

Katie (01:29:14):
yeah, I'll do I'll do that for a million dollars.
And then of course the guygets the girl in the end.
So when he asks her when they're done,when this whole ordeal is finally over,
David Grant, AKA Kurt Russell asks herif she likes hockey, because at the
beginning of the movie, we see him askinga woman, the saint, like he's trying
to pick up a woman and she says hockey.

(01:29:37):
No, I only like baseball.
Well, at the time she was marriedto the then Atlanta Braves
outfielder, David Justice.
So it's a little nod, a little,

Robin (01:29:47):
Oh, that's so cute.
That's really cute.

Zabe (01:29:51):
I think the most fake part of this movie has apart from Steven Scull's hair.
The other most fake part ofthis movie is that Kurt Russell
would go for Halle Berry.
I'm sorry.
Kurt Russell's way too good.
For Halle Berry.
I'm just calling it as it is right now.
Oh yeah.
Oh yeah.
Shake your head.
It'd be all you want.

Robin (01:30:12):
This is wild.
This is a wild take, Saif.

Katie (01:30:14):
is,

Zabe (01:30:15):
It's a

Katie (01:30:15):
is only because most men drool over Halle Berry.

Robin (01:30:22):
Oh, I mean, come on.

Zabe (01:30:24):
no, not even a little bit.
She she's okay.
This isn't the let's makefun of Halle Berry podcast.
So I'll, I'll, I'll keep my.
Feelings to myself, but

Katie (01:30:33):
Well,
no, I can't,

Zabe (01:30:34):
guys,

Katie (01:30:35):
dude, let me tell you
what, I hear, I hear you.
You know, you know, I've actually notgonna give you such a hard time, Zabe,
because that's how I felt about the womanwho played Kurt's wife in Breakdown.
was lovely, But I didn'tthink she was pretty enough
for

Zabe (01:30:52):
it varies.
Lovely too.
She's, she's a lovely woman.
And, and like you said, like a lot ofdudes drool over her, but I'm like,
not guys of caliber of Kurt Russell.
Come on now.

Katie (01:31:04):
Hey, everybody's got their own taste.
So I
I I'll, I'll stay out of that.

Robin (01:31:09):
in fairness, you know, Kurt Russell's married
to Goldie Hawn, and he also

Zabe (01:31:14):
yeah.

Robin (01:31:15):
the successful marriage to being married to Goldie Hawn.
So, who am I to

Katie (01:31:19):
well, technically I think that the key to their
relationship is that they're not

Robin (01:31:24):
Oh, they're not married.
You're right.
I literally, I always thinkof them as a couple, but no.
They, they're not married.

Katie (01:31:29):
I knew, I had a feeling you knew that.
Yeah, but yeah, they'djust been together forever.
They're like, we don't,we don't need no of paper.

Robin (01:31:36):
I

Zabe (01:31:37):
Well, what I read was Kurt Russell heard what happened to
Nelson Mandela after a 30 year
relationship and said I'm notgoing to fall for that trap.

Robin (01:31:46):
You know, I don't want to go to prison, so we'll just keep it.

Katie (01:31:51):
Mm hmm.

Zabe (01:31:52):
Just saying, when you can have Goldie Hawn, you don't settle for
Halle Berry.

Katie (01:31:56):
Very different generations.
They're hard to compare,but I think I know.
The sentiment.
Mm hmm.
Well, Zabe, you had somereally great closing thoughts.
Robin, do you have any finalthoughts before we wrap up?

Robin (01:32:08):
Just that it was, I mean, I was excited to hear it was a
Kurt Russell starring action moviefrom the, you know, 90s and 80s.
And discovering the podcast was ahuge amount of fun and I feel like
I have this whole list of moremovies like this to check out.
Yeah, I got to say, you know, Iwouldn't give it an Oscar myself,
but I I did really enjoy it.

(01:32:31):
So,

Katie (01:32:32):
Well, thank you guys so, so, so, so much for joining me.
I am having a blast with you guys, soI hope that you feel the same, but you
must remind us where we can find you.
And your show.

Robin (01:32:45):
Find us at whowillsavegenx.
com.
website.
It's going to be the
best way to get ahold of us.
You can find any of our episodes there.
You can also find them anywherethat you, you know, we'll
find your usual podcasting.
We're on Spotify and the Appleapp and all of that stuff.
And then on our Instagram, we'reat who will save Gen X, right?

(01:33:05):
Save.
Yeah,

Zabe (01:33:06):
Instagram's for you millennials.

Robin (01:33:08):
that's

Zabe (01:33:09):
Us Gen Xers, we stick to Facebook.

Robin (01:33:10):
who

Zabe (01:33:11):
And my space,

Robin (01:33:12):
but a lot of our
exactly

Katie (01:33:16):
space.

Robin (01:33:18):
my face, come on.

Katie (01:33:19):
will have links to their stuff in the show notes.
So fret.

Zabe (01:33:25):
Katie, I would like to take this opportunity to totally put you on the
spot and say, will you please come onour podcast and be a guest on our show?
And we can introduce you to our listenersand and have some fun on, on our
platform.

Katie (01:33:42):
I
would love to.
Thank you so much.
Actually.
my final thought on this movie, asidefrom the fact that I had no problem
watching Kurt for 2 hours per use.

Zabe (01:33:55):
She touched her hair when she said that ladies and gentlemen,

Katie (01:33:58):
I'm like, oh, Kurt.
But think why we have some of thefeelings about it being like, following
this formula is that not only was thisa staple of the time, but there are.
Kurt specifically at thistime, all of his movies I was

(01:34:18):
conflating it with this breakdown.
There's a few other suspensethrillers that he has and they
all have orange in the cover art.
So they all sort of in my brain,of, Came to and like escape from L.
A.
Has orange.
And then Patrick Swayze has acouple orange ones to dog and all

(01:34:39):
from the mid to late nineties.
It's I don't know what the deal was withorange and thrillers in the mid nineties.

Zabe (01:34:45):
this was during Kurt's orange period, as he refers
to it in his autobiography.

Katie (01:34:51):
Yeah,

Robin (01:34:53):
Oh man, it's like you, must've been some marketing chart that was like,
Oh, if we put orange in the action movie,

Katie (01:35:01):
it's

Zabe (01:35:01):
that's 100 percent what it is.

Robin (01:35:03):
Yeah.

Zabe (01:35:03):
You see, you see, trends in that, like in the early 2000s,
they had kind of a red, whiteand blue sort of motif, or, or

Katie (01:35:11):
Mm
hmm.

Zabe (01:35:12):
about that?
Like all the Star Wars filmshave this like red, white and
blue type of filter on them,
on the images, on the posters.

Katie (01:35:19):
Yeah, there are trends Like,
that.
But yeah, well listeners am gonna haveto bring us back to current present day
reality until the next episode becauseI want no part of a hijacked plane
Oh and go do all of the thingsbut until next time be kind rewind

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