Father Hood | S1E40 - Retromade

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Katie (01:30):
Hello.
I'm Katie and welcome to retromade your pop culture rewind today.
We're going to go back to August of 1993for the adventure comedy drama fatherhood,
and that's two words fatherhood.
And as always, we'll do a littlepop culture rewind to get in
the nineties frame of mind.

(01:51):
And I'm very excited to have returningguest Lizzy with me back for From
the Retro Movie Roundtable podcast.
She is a mother of three anda movie lover, particularly
thrillers and comedy, Lizzie.
Thank you so much for joining me again.

Lizzy Haynes (02:09):
Yes.
Thanks so much for having me.
You have such a great memory.
Yes.
I love it.

Katie (02:13):
Oh, listeners, this is so fatherhood.
We have this and then one moremovie after this to complete.
Season one.
And then I'll do a littleretrospective before we head on.
to season two, which will be as alittle hint, John Hughes movies.
So that's something to look forwardto coming soon in season two.

(02:38):
But first let's open the time capsulefor August of 1993 and we did
already cover the TV for this period.
So this would be the 9394season for prime time.
And we covered what those were.

(02:58):
In the tombstone episode, causethat came out in December.
So go back and listen tothe tombstone episode.
If you have not already, or if youwant the memories from TV at that time.
But since we do the specific week,when we're talking about music,
top billboards, this is different.
It's very 1993, in my opinion Lizzie,the first one, number one song

(03:24):
for this week, August 27th, 1993.
Can't Help Falling in Love by UB40.
Do you remember that one?

Okay.
Hold on.
Can't help.
The first thing that I thought of whenyou said can't help falling in love
with Alicia Keys is like, no, no, no.
That's 10 years

Katie (03:43):
Yeah, that's way later.
So it's got that, that islandy vibe.

Oh
okay.
Did they did if they did their ownversion of, of the Elvis Presley

Katie (03:52):
yes, yes, Yes.

Exactly what you're talking about now.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
It's

Katie (03:57):
I forgot.
That would have been a better hint.

Yes.
Yes.
I know exactly what you're talking about.
100%.
Yes.

Katie (04:24):
Well, I didn't know that it apparently was from the
movie Sliver, that Sharon Stone,

Ooh.

Katie (04:31):
Baldwin thriller,
but I guess.
I guess it was.
Oh my God, this is so junior high for me.
There it is by Tag Teamis the number two song.

So much.
Yeah.
Every now and again, you'll hearthat in a commercial and it's just
a huge throwback, but that was like,you're exactly like middle school.
The cheerleaders would do those danceswhere like everything, there's like
a big mashup of a bunch of differentsongs, those very nineties to do that.
And whoop, there it is,was always on there.
Like you could always guaranteethat there's going to be a whoop.

(05:05):
There it is.

Katie (05:05):
it is.
a terrible song.
Like it's it's awful.
I don't know.
I don't, I think, I think that'sprobably a one hit wonder, or maybe
they have one other song, but the nextone, number three, huge at this time.
Dream Lover by Mariah Carey.
This was like her time, right?

You're my destiny, uh huh, huh, yes, yes, very much.
I, she, this was like her honey era.
I think that
was, that, this was MariahCarey in her prime, like
100%, like the Tommy
Mottolo days.
That

Katie (05:41):
Yeah.
Like her hair, like the curly,tight, curly hair, still like
very like natural looking sort of,you know, different Mariah Carey
than we have now.

I agree with That

Katie (05:55):
Now I was,
never like I know of Jodeci and I even,you know, I like R& B, but I don't know.
I've never been like really intoJodeci and I looked up the song
and I wasn't familiar with it.
The number four song is Lately.

Mm, that does not ring a bell for
me,
mm mm,

Katie (06:16):
I bet, you know, the number five song by soul asylum, runaway
train with that video of all thelost kids, like the runaways.

Oh, my gosh

Katie (06:27):
do you know what I'm talking about their, their music video?
It was like runaway train, never

You're coming
back.
Yes.
Yes.
I know exactly what you're talking about.
Oh, that's so crazy.
And then they did It's so funny howlike it's music is so cyclical because
then maybe 10 years after that I thinkludacris did his own version of that.
But yes, I remember that one for

Katie (06:49):
Did he?
I don't think I remember that, but Idid, I seem to recall hearing not that
long ago that they updated, they like rereleased that song and updated the video
with new, Like new missing,like new kids or I don't know.
So they're really trying to help find.
Yeah, that was good.

(07:11):
And then I think I recall thenext one from Benny and June.
The proclaimers is the name of thegroup and it's number six is I'm
going to be, but it's that 500 miles,

Yes, when I go out.
Yeah.

Katie (07:25):
Yeah, yeah, yeah,

It'll be.
yeah.
I know.
Yes.

Katie (07:49):
Yep.
Yep.
And it gets, that's,That's like a, an earworm.

Yeah.
Oh my gosh.
That's the best way to put it.
That's one of those songs thatreally gets stuck in your head.
And that's another one that I think haskind of held up because that they play
it in commercials every now and again.

Katie (08:05):
good point.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't know what their ethnicity is.
It doesn't sound American.
I don't know if they're like
Irish or something

Yeah.
Something like it very like.
I can't put my finger.
I think they're
like a Scott or if it's an Irish,but definitely like some kind
of Like or excuse me, WesternEuropean, Western European,
but also potentially likeScandinavian who really
knows, but it definitely,
Definitely not American.

Katie (08:35):
This was also the era of Janet Jackson and she has the number seven
song this week and it's if, and atfirst I was like, what song is that?
So I looked it up and it's, If I wereyour girl, the things I'd do to you,
but I'm not, so I can't, and I won't.
That one.
You know?

her so much.
We saw her in concert maybesix or seven years ago.
She was doing like a revival tour.
Oh my gosh.
And she still got it.
She was just so much fun.
And, you know, she closed with theRhythm Nation and it was so much fun.
It was A blast, but , you could tellshe was just having a good time.

Katie (09:11):
Oh, good for her.
I also remember being so jealous of herabs, and this video is her, you know,
she's got like a crop shirt on andher abs she's like the queen of abs.

Yes.

Katie (09:23):
Miss Jackson.

Love her.

Katie (09:26):
Number eight song is a slam dun dun uh, let the boys be boys by Onyx.
I don't re I didn't recallthe artist or the group.
I guess It's a group.
There's several of several guys in it.

It's like another sports song.
You just hear it, hear it at like footballgames, basketball games, whatever.

Katie (09:47):
And also maybe a one hit wonder.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Maybe they have a following,but maybe that's the only song I
know.

I don't know.
I'm not familiar withanything else that they've

Katie (09:58):
Number nine is if I had no loot by Tony, Tony, Tony, which the, the, the
name of the song, I didn't, you know, thesong, I have a feeling, do you know what,

I know.
I don't
I don't know.
I'd have to hear it.

(10:34):
I will have friends of mine ask if I knowa song cause I'm so bad at like song names
or the actual names of
the artist.
But once I hear a little bit of thesong, then immediately, like the memory
gets jogged and we're good to go.
So I'm, I imagine that thisfalls into that category.

Katie (10:49):
Same.
Then we have S-W-V-S-W-V withweak rounding out the top 10, and
I'm, I'm sure you know that one.
I get so weak in the knees

yes.
Guys.

Katie (11:03):
yeah.

Oh, man.
Every time.
Oh, yes.
Okay.
Man, this is like a huge
flashback because I wasonly five when all this came
out.
I was, I'm an 88 baby,
so, but I'll, a lot of these carried intolike my middle school and high school

Katie (11:21):
Mm-hmm .You make me feel very old, Lizzie

Oh, my gosh.

Katie (11:28):
All right.
Well, news and events from August of 1993.
Are you, or were you a baseball fan?

So unfortunately I, I would say no, my son, my oldest plays baseball.
So I feel like now I am, butI, I couldn't really tell you
a lot of facts about baseball,

Katie (11:46):
Oh, me neither.
But I just hear, I know certainnames, like people that are famous
enough to break into regular culture.
So Reggie Jackson, I'msure you've heard of

Yes.

Katie (11:57):
He apparently is the 14 time MLB all star
and he was inducted into thebaseball hall of fame, in August.
And then the Yankees, he must playfor the Yankees, because they retired
his uniform number 44 and deemedAugust 14th, Reggie Jackson day.

(12:18):
Yeah, so all of you baseball fansout there are probably screaming at
me for not knowing these things, butoh, my gosh, do you remember the,
the I remember the movie more so thanhearing about this and in on the news,
because I was like 12 at the time.
So.
Rwandan Hutus and Tutsis sign apeace treaty in Arusha, Tanzania.

(12:38):
I remember watching is it Hotel Rwanda is
how I learned about this conflict.

Yes.
I had no idea about, about thatconflict until I saw that movie.
It
was like, I felt so ignorant beinglike, I had no idea that there
was a conflict there or anything.
And I mean, granted I was, you know,I was really young and as were you,
you know, when you're a child, likeyou're just not abreast to that kind of

(13:04):
stuff.
But I remember
watching Hotel Rwanda and thenfinding out that all of that was real.
It was wild.

Katie (13:10):
It is wild.
So that happened.
I mean, thankfully this is happy news.
They signed a peacetreaty in August of 93.
So it was in Tanzania, in Arusha.
And I've actually beento Arusha, Tanzania.
So.
I would, I would like to go back.
Also I didn't realize Ruth BaderGinsburg was sworn in as a U.
S.
Supreme Court Justice.

(13:30):
In 93.

Oh, my

Katie (13:32):
I guess that was 31 years ago, but
I guess that I thoughtit was like before then

I imagine so too.
I think it's because 30 years is agreat, is an amazing career to have in
any field, but because and absolutelyno shade to her, may she rest in peace.
But she was really up there in her age.
So I just imagined thatthat was a position that she
had held for a lot longer.
Um, but you know, it's nice toknow when she did it, you know,

(14:02):
she did a lot
for women.

Katie (14:05):
indeed.
Yeah.
Like she's, she's like iconic for women.
In the women's rights world.
Ruth Ginsberg.

Yes.

Katie (14:13):
I like the Notorious rBG, like instead of the Biggie t shirt, it's Ruth

Yes.

Katie (14:19):
Ginsburg.

Yes.
One of my friends gifted my daughterConley with this like little book.
It's like ABCs of really specialwomen that have, you know, been
super impactful for women's history.
And so of course, like the R is,is Ruth Bader Ginsburg, but that's
the only one she's ever memorized.
I think it's just because it'ssuch like a whimsical sounding
name, like Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

(14:41):
It just kind of rolls rightoff your tongue a little bit.
So we, we love her in this house.

Katie (14:48):
As do I.
And what?
a cool book for your
daughter.
I didn't realize that Mattel and FisherPrice merged, but they did at this time.

You know what?
I guess I never thought about that.
That's true.
Cause Mattel is just like the Barbies.
Like whenever you think of Mattel,like the two of versus super
synonymous, but then Fisher pricewas more of like, when I think of it
now, I think of like toddler toys,

Katie (15:12):
Mm

um, but it makes complete sense that they would, that they
would merge together, just, you know,being in the same vertical market.

Katie (15:21):
Mm hmm.
Actress Kim Basinger.
Alec Baldwin
at this time, they
were like a power Hollywoodcouple, weren't they?

lasted a while, didn't they?

Katie (15:33):
Until 2002 is when they divorced.
I

Not quite as long as I thought.
I thought maybe they lasted alittle bit longer than that,

Katie (15:41):
it's for Hollywood

for Hollywood.
for Hollywood.
Yes.
You're right.

Katie (15:45):
Death.
I usually talk about somedeaths, unfortunately.
And I didn't realize.
I didn't really know who thisperson was, but Charles Scorsese
passed away at the age of 80.
And Yes.
he is Martin's father.

Yes.
Okay.

Katie (16:03):
And he, I guess he was also an actor, but.
And he had very small roles in a tonof very famous movies, for example,
Cape Fear, Goodfellas, and Wise Guys,

Okay.

Katie (16:15):
usually Very small bit parts, but he was in quite a
few movies, Charles Scorsese.

Wow.
Very cool.

Katie (16:24):
Now, Fatherhood.
Did not top the box office at this time.
But a few movies that did.
This is so 93.
The Fugitive,

Oh my goodness.
Yes.

Katie (16:37):
Rising Sun, Free Willy.
Oh I loved that movie.

Oh my gosh, I'm actually really pushing my oldest to watch it.
He'll be nine in January and I'm like,you're at the perfect age for Free Willy.
He just, he hasn't, we haven't just, wejust haven't pulled the trigger on it,
but we watched the trailer together.
Oh my gosh.
That movie is classic.

Katie (17:00):
It is if you want to, if you want to cry, push your kid to watch it.
Also Jurassic park.

Oh my gosh.
That's another one that I have to mentionbecause my, middle child, Monroe, he
is four and I have never met a humanbeing that is more infatuated with
Jurassic Park than my four year old son.
We let him watch it, but we cut throughlike the very, very beginning and then

(17:26):
because that very initial scene is kindof scary, And then, of course if you
know, you know, the part with the lawyerand the that's just a little too much.
But other than that,it's really not that bad.
It's just more suspensefuland he asks for it every day
and has for a year and a half.
He's obsessed.
He really likes it.
At this point, I could quote it.

Katie (17:47):
Oh my God.
That's a lot.
I feel bad for
you.
So is he super into dinosaurs generally?

Oh my goodness.
Yes.
I mean, that's what really got us into it.
And I was just like, at first Ithought I would show them just
like a couple of random scenes.
So it started with bronchiosaurusscene in the very, very beginning.
And then it was like, we put ourtoe in and then eventually we
just watched the entire thing.
And my dad, when we were kids,cause Jurassic Park was a big
deal for us when we were kids.

(18:15):
And my dad put lyrics to the song.
So then the, it was like, we willwelcome you to Jurassic Park where
the dinosaurs all play in the dark.
And so we just started that waslike, our thing in our childhood.
And so if we passed it downto like, now, my kids sing it
and it's literally every day.

(18:36):
I mean, we.
We have purchased the entire collectionof Jurassic Park, so we can at least
volley from movie to movie, but.
I could really quote them at this point.

Katie (18:48):
So that's, that's his Rocky.
Rocky is my movie.
like

Yes.

Katie (18:52):
And Like, all the movies I can, I know them all very well.
But every day is a lot.
But that's cute.
I like it.

Yeah.
Entire
movie.
We don't watch
like a full movie every day,to be clear, but we'll, we'll
just watch like little snippets.
Like his favorite thing is to askfor the raptors in the kitchen.
That's like his, or we'll just fastforward it to the last 15 minutes
of the movie and just kind of watchit while like I brush my teeth.

Katie (19:16):
Interesting that He likes that scene.

He really likes the raptors in the kitchen.
I think he's too young to understand that

Katie (19:23):
it's scary.

kind of freaky.
But I think it's because nobodyactually ends up getting hurt.
He
just is focusing on the raptorsjust kind of talking with each
other and running and chasing.
And I think it's just so cute.
I don't know, but one of thesedays we'll deconstruct it.
Either he'll appreciate that we leanedinto his love of dinosaurs, or he'll

(19:47):
talk about it with his therapist.
One or the other.
We'll figure, maybe both.

Katie (19:50):
Maybe.
Maybe both.
There are worse things in the world.

That's right.

Katie (19:55):
Also Robin Hood Men in Tights, like the parody version.

Love that movie.

Katie (20:02):
In the Line of Fire, Sleepless in Seattle, The Firm,
Hard Target, and The Secret Garden!
Those are

Secret Garden!
People don't talk about The Firmenough, but That is that's a good movie.
It's really, really thrilling.
Oh, my gosh.
And secret garden is just,I mean, that's like a.
1 of those movies I'm just waitinguntil my daughter is old enough
to be able to appreciate it.
It's just has such a choke hold.
Those are some really itwas a good year for movies.

Katie (20:31):
It really was, I feel like well, I say the 80s, but the 90s, like the early
90s are pretty good early to mid 90s.
They're pretty solid for movies.
too.
Speaking of movies, shouldwe get into a fatherhood?

let's do it.

Katie (20:53):
All right.
August 27th, 1993.
It's PG 13, 4.
9 out of 10 on IMDb, which is probablyone of the lower ones that we've covered
on RetroMade, which is interesting.
We'll get to that.
Director.
do you know who Daryl Root is?

I don't know.

Katie (21:16):
Well, you're probably not alone.
He's South African.
Um, and he's most knownfor South African films.
I guess a very famous one is Yesterday.
It's famous in South
Africa.
But, He also directed the 1992 movie,Serafina, with Whoopi Goldberg.

Oh, okay.

Katie (21:36):
Mm hmm.

got a, like a, he's got some filmography then.

Katie (21:40):
He does.
The writer is Scott Spencer,who is most known for writing
the 1981 novel, Endless Love.
Other than that, not super well known.

okay.
Cool.
That's interesting to know.
This was a new movie for me.
And so I, I'm not surprised that thedirector and the writers were kind of like
unknown just because this was a movie.
I'm a Swayze fan big time.
So I was actually surprised it wasn'ta movie that I hadn't heard of before.

Katie (22:11):
Oh, you've not even heard of it.

even heard of it.
No, I knew that there was thererecently had been a Kevin Hart movie
that has come up by the same name.
So when I started searching, thatwas always what came up, but but no,
I, I never even heard of this one.
This one flew right under my nose.

Katie (22:30):
There have been a few on.
the show this season that Ithink a lot of people are like,
wow, didn't know about that one.
This.
one, I definitely I'm awareof it and I think I maybe have
seen it or parts of it, but.
In 1993, so it was like watching it newagain, but I definitely knew of it and

(22:50):
that it wasn't like 1 of his popular ones.
The composer his name is Patrick.
Oh, hern.
And he's not really known fordoing a lot of like movies.
Like some people are known forcomposing scores and things like that.
He's known primarily as the bassguitarist and keyboardist um, came

(23:11):
to prominence with Frank Zappa and cofounded the early 1980s new wave band
missing persons with several other.
Veterans from Zappa's band.
So that's who he is.

Very cool.

Katie (23:26):
We do have our Patrick Swayze and he plays our main character, Jack Charles.
This is actually the third film wherehe played a character named Jack.
Do you know the other two?

Okay, hold on.
Let me think about this.

Katie (23:42):
Probably not.

I don't think so.
No, I'm drawing a blank.
In my mind, I'm like, I'm goingthrough all of his other characters.
I'm like, no, no, no,no, I don't think so.

Katie (23:51):
Well, they, the other two are also lesser known Swayze
movies, Black Dog from 1998,

Okay.
I have not heard of that one Either.

Katie (24:00):
Three wishes.
from 1995.

Three wishes.
Oh my gosh, I haven't heard of that one
either.

Katie (24:07):
think you're, like, since you have kids, you should check out Three Wishes.
I think you watch it with your family.
It's, it's
like a fantasy it's pretty cute.
I actually, and I don't even like thatkind of a movie, and I don't really
like kid movies, but I did really quite
like Three Wishes.
So I, I would recommend it to you, Lassim.

Okay.
Well, we will give it a shot then.
I love that.

Katie (24:25):
And then this one, Fatherhood, now, we, we could cheat and say Johnny Castle
in Dirty Dancing because isn't Jack anickname for John, which is weird in and
of itself, but that would be cheating.

Yes, I think so.
Because, you know, Johnny is like,
I feel like there's John's andthen there's Johnny's, you know, if
that makes sense, kind of in the

Katie (24:49):
a yes

there's like a, there's a Tom and there's a
Thomas there, there's a certain

Katie (24:54):
and a Tommy

and a Tommy

Katie (24:56):
and they're different.

better.
Yes, there's just something to be saidabout like, a good like, my dad, for
example, his real name is actually Johnny,not John Johnny, but his middle name
is Michael and that's what he goes by.
He's a Michael, like he is not a Johnny.
And

Katie (25:13):
a Michael,

he's a Michael,
he is a Michael through and through.
I think that he has an earnestnessto him that just makes him a Michael.
He's like, loving andwonderful and such a great dad.
But I think he has this very justthis kind of serious, at least growing
up, he had this very serious side ofhim where he was just very earnest
and very logical and pragmatic.
And I think that that just made hima Michael, I think to me, a Johnny

(25:36):
feels like a slightly bad boy,
know,
Kind of like wrong side of the tracks.

Katie (25:44):
well, Johnny Castle from Dirty Dancing.
I

that's right.
And
If my, my dad was nothing, butin terms of his moral fiber was
very much on the right side of

Katie (25:57):
Good story.
That is interesting though,that his actual name is Johnny.

Yes, very rare.
Yeah,

Katie (26:05):
Were you surprised to see a Miss Halle Berry in this?

I was shocked.
I, I did not look at the cast before andI knew Patrick Sasey was in it, of course.
And then I saw the, the coverand it has like his the two
actors that play his children.
Um, and I recognized her voicebefore because the first shot of
her is actually slightly far away.
So I, I wasn't able to 100 percentcause she's such a recognizable.

(26:34):
Face and she has that very famousHalle Berry bowl cut that she
had in the

Katie (26:40):
hair, Mm hmm.

hair, but like pixie type of cut.
But still I was not 100 percentconvinced it was her until she
opened her mouth like that.
Cause she's also has this very
distinct, she's very soft spokenand I just, I was very surprised,
but I was pleasantly surprised.
I'm a fan.

Katie (27:01):
Yeah, I didn't.
Well, so we talked about HalleBerry in another Retro Made
episode Executive Decision.
She's also in that with Kurt Russell.
Yeah.
So in this, she plays a woman namedKathleen Mercer and she's a reporter.
And it's interesting becauseJack assumes maybe because of
her name that she is Irish.

Yes

Katie (27:24):
not um, yeah.
And so to your point about the kidsthat are on the cover, there's a, a
girl about age 12 and a boy, I don'tknow, maybe seven or eight Kelly and
Eddie Charles, Kelly is played bySabrina Lloyd and she's been in things.

(27:44):
A lot of TV series, but not ones I'veseen, but once I've heard of numbers,
Sports Night and sliders.
So I think those are, youknow, once she grew up, I think
those were what she's been in.
And then, did yourecognize who the son was?
Brian, his name in reallife is Brian Bonsall.

Okay.
No, I didn't recognize him Not

Katie (28:10):
Did you watch family ties?
Cause that's the show he was on.
He plays the fourth kid.

really not religious.
I'm used to like I've seenlike episodes here and there
but I was more of a full house

Katie (28:22):
Yeah.
Family ties was, was before your time
for sure.
But Yeah,
so you know how at that time in theeighties they would You know, after
a few seasons in the show, like toboost ratings, they bring in like
another kid they'd have a baby orbring in another kid or that baby.
And last season is now 7 or something.
Well, family ties did that.

(28:44):
And his name was Andy on family ties.
So that's who the, thekid playing Eddie is.
Michael Ironside is also in this andhe has almost 300 acting credits.
he's like one of those guys, includinga Top Gun, Total Recall and Starship
Troopers, who he plays in fatherhoodis Jack's like partner in crime.

(29:10):
Would you say Jerry?
Jerry is his name in the, in the movie.
I thought he was going to be in itmore based on where he was listed
in the credits, but he's hardly

great no, he's like it's like a blipping blinking
you miss him quite literally yes

Katie (29:26):
Diane Ladd, not related to Cheryl, but she does have some famous family.
Do you know who Diane Ladd is?
she played Rita, Jack's mother in this.

No, but she looked familiar to me.
Yes, but no, I wasn'table to pinpoint her.

Katie (29:42):
She's kind of that old world Hollywood.
She
comes from that era.
She was actually nominated for threeOscars in 1975 for Alice Doesn't Live
Here Anymore, in 1991 for Wild atHeart, and in 1992 for Rambling Rose.
She's also known for she was inChinatown, very famous movie, and she

(30:06):
plays Nora Griswold, the grandma, oneof the grandmas in Christmas Vacation.

gosh.
Oh my gosh.
That's crazy.
I, that's really funny.
I never put two and two together.
Okay.
Well then obviously I've seenenough of her to at least
understand why she looks familiar.
Oh,

Katie (30:27):
is also Laura Dern's mother.
She was married to Bruce Dern.

Jurassic Park.

Katie (30:33):
Yes.
Yeah.
Good point.
Good point.
And, you know, according to theinternet, she's the cousin of the
playwright, Tennessee Williams.
she's,
got lots of famous

It's connected.
Yeah, she's, it's got connections.

Katie (30:49):
A couple other people in the cast, we have Bob Gunton, who
plays this guy named Lazaro, and heis like the director of this shady
foster care, like home for children.
Did he look familiar to you?

Yes, he's in a, like A silly, scary movie that I, that my
husband and I love called Dead Silence.
it's,

Katie (31:16):
I've not seen that.

it's if you are not into horror movies, then it's not for you.
Because it's not Yeah, it's not ahigh it's not even that it's scary.
It's just incredibly campy.

Katie (31:29):
Oh, well, I kind of like that.
That's kind of fun sometimes.

you know, some, some people like the camp.
Some people hate it.
It's just honestly, it's just personalpreference, but they're definitely scary.
Like Donnie Wahlberg's in it.
It's just like a silly.
Uh, movie that
has this like lore of this thisventriloquist and the main protagonist

(31:52):
goes to ask his dad for help and hisdad is played by Lazaro and he has
this also very distinctive voice.
He's so much youngerbecause this movie was.
Probably came out in 2012,13, 14, something like
that.
So, so seeing him a lotyounger was, was very cool.

Katie (32:13):
I bet nobody knows that name.
Bob Gunton, the actor's name.
I mean, if you do, you're like a reallybig movie person perhaps, but he is
most known for playing The prisonwarden, in Shawshank Redemption.
And

but you're so right.
The second that you said warden, it allclicked for me because you are so right.
I can hear him right now askingfor his books to be cooked.
Like that.
Yes.
Oh my gosh.
With Andy Dufresne that Inever put two and two together.
That's brilliant.
I love that.

Katie (32:48):
We also get Adrianne Barbeau.
I also thought she was going tobe in this longer or for more, but
she was in like one quick scene.
She plays Celeste, a psychic reader,which That scene was strange in
and of itself, like it didn'tneed to be in the movie at all.
Like I didn't, I don't know whyit was there to give Adrianne
Barbeau a part, maybe, I don't

That happened a lot.
I think where there was, Iwas like, where's this going?
And then it just didn'tend up going anywhere.
So I think that that was just perhapssomething that they wanted to put
in there, but never brought it home.

Katie (33:20):
Mm hmm.
Yeah, you're right.
There were several instancesof that which we will get into.
But Adrienne Barbeau, we did talkabout her because she was in Escape
from New York with Kurt 1981.

Nice.

Katie (33:31):
Mm hmm.
And then we get a young Josh Lucas.
The boy that Kelly likes,

Yes.
Oh my gosh.
That is so crazy.
I didn't put two and twotogether with that one.
That's wild.
I'm going to have to go back andlook at that one scene because
it is, he's in it for a second.

Katie (33:51):
well, she has a picture of him
earlier in the movie.
And then he's in one scene in newOrleans when she meets up and, and he's
like, Oh, I was just trying to be nice.
She's anyway, I knew he was in this.
So I was looking for him.
And so.
When we see a picture of him,I'm like, Oh, that's Josh Lucas.
Yeah.
And he has a distinct voice as well.

very much so.
Yes, yes.
He's in some of my favorites.

Katie (34:16):
Mm hmm.
Same.
This movie did not win any awards.
And I couldn't find what thebudget was but it grossed 3.
4 million.
So not a
hit,

Yeah,

Katie (34:29):
say.
Oh, I forgot to tell you all becauseI have a feeling a lot of you have
not seen this or if it's been 30years, fatherhood is the adventures
of a deadbeat dad who kidnaps his kidsfrom the bus based on the true life
stories and experiences of Michael J.
Hardy.
It's kind of fun to know it wasbased on like a real person.

wild.
Yes, it's really crazy.

Katie (34:54):
what did you so you'd not seen this movie.
What, did you have anyexpectations going into it?
Did you like, how did it live up?
What, what do you think overall?

So I, as I said before, I'm a Patrick Swayze
fan, so it's really, really hard.
For you to put a movie in front of mewhere I'm getting 90 solid minutes of
Patrick Swayze and be mad about it.

Katie (35:21):
Mm hmm.

he has this what's the word that he's just so vivacious
and just his personality justlike bursts out of his pores.
It's just, there's something abouthim that is so magnanimous that
like he just has this X factor.
That it almost doesn't really matterwhat he's doing or what he's saying.

(35:44):
He's saying it with such convictionand doing it with such conviction
that it just like I'm connected.
So I, that being said, Imean, it's really hard.
I don't think that you could ever giveme a Patrick Swayze movie that I'm going
to look at and be like, this is trash.
Cause I just, I'm going to havefun watching him be Patrick Swayze.
I think that being said.

(36:05):
The best way that I can describe thismovie is I think, I think this movie
had an idea of what it wanted to be.
And then unfortunately justwasn't really able to get there.
It's like they had kind of the waythat I felt when the movie was over
is if my husband Aaron were to takeme out to a really, really fancy

(36:29):
restaurant And then I were to orderlike a ribeye steak, but then be told
that it doesn't come with any sidesand then they just serve me my steak.
And I'd be like, but Ineed, this isn't a meal.
I need a meal.
This isn't enough.
I'm going to need some palm fritesor maybe a salad just like something.
So I feel like this is a completedmeal, not just an entree.

(36:51):
And I think that is kind of how Ifelt about this movie a little bit.
It felt like.
It really had big ideas of where itwanted to go, but it ended up taking
kind of these little kind of subplots of what it wanted to be and
they didn't marry them together withenough substance to make me feel like I

(37:13):
really understood what I just watched.
Yeah.

Katie (37:20):
is like a very brilliant analogy about.
The, the steak, but no sides.
It's not a
complete meal and like ideasand it didn't fully get baked
to use yet another food analogy.
Yeah, that very well put.
I don't think I could find words better.

(37:40):
I felt like it was, you know,it was very predictable.
You knew exactly,
you know, when he, he's annoyed by hiskids and he, they're super annoying him.
And then don't quitcalling me your father.
I'm not your father.
Don't call me that.
And it's a road trip movie.
So, you know, you're like, okay,by the end of this, they're going

(38:02):
to have bonded and yada, yada.
But you know,
He, he ultimately becomes like a lovabledad and we knew that was going to happen.
But yeah, I guess I stillfound it enjoyable enough.
I mean, partly to yourpoint about Patrick Swayze.
I think everybody does a good job in it.
I don't, you
know, I think everybodywas, it was well acted.

(38:25):
But there were just somethings missing, I think,

I think

Katie (38:32):
in fatherhood.

there's

Katie (38:34):
Mm

in a rom com.
I feel like there's a really great formulain In any kind of like any romantic
comedy where it's and of course there'sall different like sub Plots that can
happen in a romantic comedy, but kindof like the most common one is you
have two people that like, don't reallylike each other and then eventually

(38:57):
they end up falling, you know, at theend of the movie, they fall in love.
In the middle of the movie, there alwayshas to be that moment when the switch
flips, where you watch they have anencounter with each other that allows them
to see each other in a different light.
And then from then on, you'rewatching their wheels slowly
turn and realize wait, this mightactually be somebody that not only.

(39:22):
Can I tolerate them, butI actually like them.
And now I feel like I love them.
And there's even if it's avery short movie, I think that
part potentially was lacking.
It felt like the switch got flippedwithout us really being able
to watch that, watch it happen.
I think that I was like, PatrickSwayze kind of went from.

(39:43):
You know, just like screaming at thekids and, you know, fighting on the
payphone and letting the car driveoff and then eventually, you know,
just only a few moments, a few sceneslater after the final kind of big.
Shoot out, and he ends up, you know, hehas this kind of crisis of conscience
of not wanting to take it too farbecause of the children's presence.

(40:04):
And then he's in court cryingabout how much he loves his kids.
And I feel like in my mind, I'mlike, I don't you're gonna I feel
like the dots weren't connected.
Quite enough for me.
I think if they had been, Ithink that the movie would have
felt more like that gold meal.
I think that that's perhaps,cause the acting was fantastic.
Not just from Patrick Swayze, but fromthe kids, like the kids were really able

(40:27):
to emote, which is hard for anybody,but especially like little kids that,
you know, for them to be able to takedirection like that and Halle Berry,
you can tell she's, Really, she feelsvery passionately that there's a story
there and that she has the abilityto affect change for this family.

(40:49):
And I mean, it's all like,it's really all there.
I think that there's just this tweakin writing a little bit of maybe if
you just added like 1 moment A greatexample would have been when she goes
and meets up with her, her with JoshLucas's character, and they have that
little encounter and he walks up and says.

(41:09):
Something to the effect of like, do youwant me to beat this guy up for you?
And I had thought, okay, thisis the direction that this
movie is going in right now.
They're going to have.
Like an Uncle Buck moment.
That's

Katie (41:20):
Mm

Where it's going to be like the, the bug and
the golf club with John Candy.
And it's going to, then that is goingto bond them of this guy's going
to turn out to be a gigantic jerk.
And Patrick Swayze is going to, you know,do something to, to scare him straight.
And they're going to bond over that.
And then maybe something small isgoing to happen with the little boy.

(41:42):
And I just think that.
Had that been added in there, Ithink that that switch, when he got
into the courtroom, probably wouldhave tracked a little bit more.
Mm

Katie (41:53):
That's a good point.
So, I think, We were supposed tosee it gradually a little bit, but
I like your idea of the switch.
And I did think there were 2 smallinstances of it, but maybe, maybe it
did need to be a little more to yourpoint about he witnesses his daughter.
You know, it's her first crush and, youknow, her heart's broken a little bit

(42:15):
and we see, you know, he, he recognizesthat and feels for her and does
kind of try and be fatherly for her.
That was his little moment with her andwith the kid or the boy, you know, the
boys, but he's like, can we please, canwe please, I want to go to, what was it?
Hoover Dam.
I
really want to go to the like,he keeps bugging him about doing

(42:36):
stuff and he's and Patrick's facescharacters very annoyed the whole time.
And then later when they'redriving the boat that they
stowed away in and then the boat.
Got launched into the water and hesteals the boat and now they're, they're
driving the boat and the kid asks ifhe can steer and Jack, his initial

(42:58):
immediate response, knee jerk responses,
you know, yell at him or tellhim no, but he stops himself.

That's true.
You're right.

Katie (43:05):
says, he says, yeah, sure.
Go ahead.
You know,
whatever he says, but so he, therewere a few small moments, but I agree.
it.
could have been flushedout a little bit more.
And then the book ends atthe beginning and the end

Mm hmm.

Katie (43:22):
well executed, in my opinion.
Well, firstly, okay, listener, so weopen with, the kids and Halle Berry.
We don't know who they are yetwaiting outside of a prison.
It's like release day.
So
they're waiting fortheir guy to be released.
It's like a voiceover by thedaughter saying it wasn't always

(43:42):
like this, you know, he used tobe kind of a deadbeat, whatever.
And Jack comes out lookingsmoking those genes in that scene.
The rest of the movie less so,because we'll get into his look
the rest of the movie, but thebeginning and the ending scene
when he's just in regular jeans.
And a t shirt and he's got normal hair.
He looks so good in those jeans.

(44:03):
Yeah.
I was like, yes.
Well, so that, so we, that's like avery quick, like they, he, They're
waiting for him, waiting for him.
He comes out of the prison,they run to him in this embrace
and he like swings them around.
And then it's like a slowmo cut to two years ago
and the rest of the movie happens.

(44:26):
Two years ago leading up to his whenhe, you know, he gets arrested and
put in jail for two years and thenwe end the movie with that book.
And now we're coming full circleback and it ended very abruptly.
I thought.

Yeah.
They're just like, it made the,the hug kind of turn slow motion
slightly, and then it justCredits, I was just over, yeah.

Katie (44:51):
Yeah.
No title card with you know,here's what they went on to do.
I don't know it.
I didn't there was that neededsomething extra as well.
I don't I didn't think that was executed.
Well, but So for the majorityof the movie, it's this road
trip cross country movie.
They're on the run from thepolice because Patrick Swayze,

(45:11):
you know, he's like a superhero.
Petty small time criminal, like very,you know, the shirts that he wears like
and he has that like old kind of lowlevel Vegas mobster look to him with his
slicked back hair.
I don't know.
How would you describe his, his lookfor the main portion of the movie?
Mm Mm

me, like every, I feel like Patrick Swayze is just one of those
actors where he's played such notableroles that he almost kind of has that
who is your Batman kind of role ofwhat is your version of Patrick Swayze?
My version is always justgoing to be Johnny, like the,
from, from Dirty Dancing.
That's just, that wasmy first introduction.

(45:54):
To Patrick Swayze.
And it's still to this dayis my favorite movie of his.
So I, it's always going to be mine.
Similar look and kind oflike on paper together.
But I think the difference betweenJohnny and Jack is that Jack is like
sloppier, like that's kind of likethe best way to put it is like Johnny
is like, cause it's like the, the tshirt and the jeans, like very simple.

(46:18):
But with Johnny's look, it's.
You know, he's this guy that is, youknow, a really like good hearted guy.
That's just kind of trying toget by in this like group of like
really upper crust fancy people.
Whereas I think Jack islike, you can get a feel.

(46:39):
I feel like the best time where I gota feel of his personality was when
early earlier on in the movie when hekind of fakes his death by stealing
the car and then driving it off.
And when, um, When his son is cryingbecause he thinks that, you know, his son
actually thought that that was like real.
And he's like such a grown boywhere he's like, stop crying.

(47:02):
That's the coolest thing I've ever seen.
What are you talking
about?
That's so
neat.
And I, so I just, I think his lookis very like a very on the nose
of Patrick Swayze, but just withan element of sloppiness, like
that's just kind of the
best way I guess I can describe it.

Katie (47:19):
I like that.
Yeah, it kind of reminded me of not JohnnyBrasco's look, but the idea of that.
He's like, like a dime store versionof a criminal in Vegas or something.
You know, it's like, It's, it's cheapand it's clear that he's just kind
of been this hustler his whole life,

Yes.

Katie (47:40):
you know, and he was, and we meet his mom and we, we, it's,
you see that it runs in the family.
So I'm going all over the placewith this movie a little bit but we
don't really know what happened,but he's not been in his kids lives.
Their mother passed away.
And so their words of the statein this really crappy, abusive I

(48:01):
don't know, what was the name of it?
Something Hall?
It's like a home for kids.

with a B.
Big, Bigelow,

Katie (48:08):
Bigelow.
Yeah.

Yes.

Katie (48:10):
And so
I guess the whole thing is like kindof unclear where the boy is living.
The girl runs away from Bigelow Hall.
She knows her, you know, Her dad'slike back in town and then they kind
of force him to take them with himon the road because they start in L.
A.
So we start in L.
A.

(48:31):
And we are supposed to end up inNew Orleans because he's got this
big deal with his like a con manpartner and Jerry for 250, 000.
They're going to steal from a drug dealer.
And that's how we got in trouble.
In the first place that he stolefrom a drug dealer, but turns
out it was an undercover cop.
So he's running from the law.
And now they think that he's kidnappedthese kids because a, they're not,

(48:56):
he, he doesn't have custody of them.
B He's a criminal.
And so we, we get all these hijinkson the, on the road at all of
these different destinations.
And that's, it's kind of fun.
So that's why it's like a comedy.
But it's also a drama.
It's also an adventurekind of all rolled into 1.
So, you know, they claim that they're,they put handcuffs on us here and

(49:20):
and Lazaro or Lazaro islike, that's ridiculous.
But then there's a scene.
Of them out in broad daylight inpublic with, like, all the kids
outside of a bus and handcuffs.
I don't know why that really stuckout to me because I was like they're
not trying to hide it at all.

Yes.
Right.
He's just like openly lyingbecause he's not even trying
to cover it up at this point.
So then you, it makes you feellike later, I think, I imagine that
they did that so that later therewas no plausible deniability that
something, cause I think a big part of.
Lazaro's kind of downfall is it startswith the handcuffs, but what later

(50:02):
the reporter, what Halle Berry'scharacter reveals is that there's
some kind of like sexual abusehappening between Kelly and somebody.
And so when he starts denying that, Ithink that they do that immediately to
just discredit his character entirely.
So that when those claims start comingup, it's like, you just know, 100 percent
that whatever he's going to say is.

(50:24):
Like just untrue.
I have to imagine that that'swhy that was intentional.

Katie (50:28):
you're right.
It was for our benefit, but I guesslogistically, I'm like, if you're him,
Why?

Why?

Katie (50:34):
so blatantly?
if you're trying to cover up the fact that
your system is corrupt.
Yeah.
Yeah, and it was Yeah.
he's been stealing money, claiming thatthey're going on all these field trips
and getting steak dinners and they're not.
So he and his, his peopleare just pocketing it.
And how convenient that Halle Berry'scharacter just so happens to be

(50:58):
working on trying to uncover this.
This
scheme, I was, that was anotherthing too, that I, I don't know if
I have higher expectations of moviesnow, or if, back in the day, they're
like, it doesn't really matter.
Just just go with it.
But it was very convenient, um, thathis kids are in this foster care system.

Yes.

Katie (51:19):
calls her because he sees,
a newspaper article written by her thathe doesn't like she exaggerated his
criminality or something like that.
So he starts calling her.
What's her name again?
Kathleen.
She does not look like a Kathleen.
On payphones, mind You at the differentstops, which there's a plot line that

(51:40):
couldn't happen in a modern movie.
And again, like hijink,things happen because of that.
He's still on the phone when the boatLeaves the gas station that they're at.
So they, they see a truck with this boatthat happens to have a lower cabin with
food and drinks and a place to sleep.
So they still weigh on that, whichI thought that was cute and fun.

(52:03):
But the kids are in that while he ismaking a call and it leaves without him.
So we have to know.
And so we get a pretty action heavysequence of him, like on top of the.
Another truck, he convinced somebodyto chase after it on another truck,

(52:23):
and he jumps from that truck back ontothe boat without anybody realizing.
So there's that also.
I really liked the grandma.
I loved meeting her.
In Vegas, old Vegas, old Vegas, andshe's running a scam and then we come

(52:43):
back to her house and realize, you know,she's got all these disguises and wigs.
And so I, I liked that touch that we'relike, oh, That's why he is who he is
because this is who his mother is.

She was leaving the kids with her and she's like, no, no, no.
I actually wish that there wouldhave been more of a plot for her.
I really liked her role.
And I've kind of, that's originallywhat I thought was going to happen.
You know, you kind of waitfor the other shoe to drop.
She's like, this is whatthis movie is about.
And and I had, I had that momentwhen they met each other of

(53:17):
being like, she's going to maybe.
She's going to teach him how tobe a better dad and in doing so,
you know, she'll also learn how tomaybe be, how, where she could have
potentially been a more present momand they'll all have this like great,
like generational bonding experience.
And I, I kind of wish that that wouldhave been there, but that's just my

(53:40):
own selfish desire, but to just seemore of her because I liked her.

Katie (53:44):
It was a fun character.
I agree.
There was a perfect opportunityfor that exactly what you
wanted to happen at the end.

Yes, I agree.
Yeah, to have her be there when likeyou could have been a surprise to where
like you only saw the kids and thefirst sequence and then the very end
just have her kind of just like off tothe side you just be like out of the
initial shot, but then when they panout, you realize she's there and it's
a whole family affair or somethingthat would have been really cute.

Katie (54:16):
Yeah, because she clearly wasn't probably the best mother to Jack.
And so, yeah, like thisexperience and Well, I was almost
screaming at the TV at the end.
So again, listeners, thisis how I roll on Retromade.
I'm all over the place with this episode.
Doesn't matter.
You probably haven't seen it.
Watch it though.
I think, I think you'll be happythat you watched it, but okay.

(54:40):
So at the end of their road trip and hehas to face up, you know, face the music.
He's in court.
He finally meets Kathleen who he'sonly had some phone conversations with.
Finally meets her and he'slike, Oh, you're not Irish.
And she's like, no he assumed thatand she just never corrected him.

(55:01):
Then he has this tearful speech about howhe never wanted to be their dad, but now
he doesn't want anything more than that.
And he loves them, et cetera, et cetera.
Well, he's also in doing so, youknow, he has incriminated this
Bigelow Hall and the corruptionscheme with Lazaro that the kids are
being abused, et cetera, et cetera.

(55:24):
So this has all come out.
Now he's led away in cuffsbecause he has to serve this.
There was a deal madeto your sentence, right?
And he says to Kathleen, who again,he's talked to on the phone a few times.
I need you to, you know, watch out forthe kids, you know, look in after them.
I'm from time to time.
And then we're like, oh, she, shemust have, I guess, because she

(55:46):
was at, you know, 2 years later,
she's there with them to,to see him come out of jail.
So we could have also gotten.
Okay.
So.
They're in a relationship now is sortof what we could have gotten as well.
Like
over this two years, she's come to visit,you know, we, they could have kissed
and they're a whole big, happy family.
Now that could have, but, youknow, that could have been cheesy.

(56:08):
But where I'm going?
with this is.
Their mother Is dead.
They've been in fostercare this whole time.
What's happening to the kids for these two

Where are they going?
Right.
Is she, is Kathleen liketheir new surrogate mother?
What is happening?
They're never, they never talk about it.
You could have, all it would have reallytaken would have been like a, for the,
his mother to show up at, in court and tojust make a comment of being like, come
on kids, you're going to come home withgrandma, like just something like that.

(56:39):
And then it would have totallyfilled that hole and then give
given reason for her to be.
At the, at the prison forthe day of his release.
So yes, I, I feel like that wasa major of all of these poor
children have been through so much

Katie (56:56):
It's like,
well, they can't go backto that shitty foster place
Like,
or what else?
Yeah, it's, that was just that drop.
They just completely dropped that.
yes,
it, it could have that.
That's exactly where the grandmashould have, could have come in
and then it would've made sense.
'cause he says to Kathleen,Halle Berry, he doesn't say.
I mean, it would have been crazyfor her to take on these kids.

(57:19):
She doesn't even know them

no, no, not at all.
They've never even met.

Katie (57:24):
Yeah,
they, he does say, well, you know,look in after them from time to time.
And she says she will.
So that makes sense.
So that tells us as theaudience, she's not.
Taking custody of them.
So he's let off in handcuffs andthe kids are just like sitting like,
yo, where are these kids going?
Grandma needs to come.
I don't know.
I, I really, for some reason,had a problem with that.

(57:45):
I, they, they really leftus hanging with that.

yes, yeah, they really did.
I think that that was the end up.
They had a lot of opportunity there.
I think really because I mean, thereality is, is that we can always just
suspend or disbelief in movies like this.
So, it's ultimately not a huge deal,but they missed a really awesome
opportunity to kind of fuel thehuman interest side of the story and

(58:12):
just make you because ultimately.
This was meant to be, I think,like a heartwarming movie.
There's obviously the car chasesand the, you know, the big exciting
moments and the shootouts and all thethings that there's but at the end of
the day, like it's really supposed tobe about him having a transformation
and like a real change of heart.

(58:33):
So like they had, they hada really awesome opportunity
that they missed out on.

Katie (58:37):
It could have been a family version of film and Louise, but it

Yes.

Katie (58:42):
Speaking of the road trip aspect of this, though, what did you
think of all of the scenery and thedifferent locales that they shot?
Did you take note of any of them?

Yes.
So old Vegas was definitely one of them.
I have been over on the oldVegas side, but not at night.
That's something like I wish thatI've been to old Vegas during the day.
Um, but then of course, like new Orleans,I feel like they went to these places
that felt like they didn't need a set oranything, you know, it's just like the,

(59:16):
the made up as Vegas, new Orleans, placeslike that, they just have like personality

Katie (59:21):
Mm hmm.

themselves.
Um, So yeah, I mean definitely,I think that they chose the right
places to just have a lot of noiseand a lot of background fun for sure.

Katie (59:33):
I kept noting.
It was really beautiful.
So we start in L.
A.
Then we're in the desert.
There's a police chase in the desert.
Then we're at the Hoover Dam,
then we're in Texas for a while.
Then we're in New Orleans.
We see, you know, like this boatride through and it's very swampy.
It's like very New Orleans,very like Louisiana

(59:53):
esque.
Uh, and they actually, those places.
Yeah.
To your point about them,they are characters.
In and of themselves, it's like,oh, obviously that's Vegas.
Oh, obviously That's the desert.
You know,
we can see their, their progressionof where they are very clearly the
French quarter in, in New Orleansand they actually shot there,

(01:00:15):
which I appreciate they don't
do.
It seems like they don't do that kind ofthing anymore, but in 1993, they actually
went to all of those locations and shot
there

Lizzy Haynes (01:00:27):
That's super cool.
I love that.
That makes it so much more fun.
And can you imagine when you reallypinpoint all those places on a map?
Like, how long this road trip was?
Can you imagine?
It's wild.

Katie (01:00:42):
you ever, did you grow up with cassette tapes, Lizzie,
or

yes, yes, definitely.

Katie (01:00:50):
I took, I took, note of the cassette tape that he, he
keeps, there's one cassette that.
he must be his jam
and he keeps taking it out andputting it, like he takes it with
him and then he's like really upset.
One time when it, like the tapecomes out and he uses his pinky, he
uses his pinky,

I remember that.
Wow.

Katie (01:01:10):
Do you?
I thought maybe youwere too young for that.

No, I remember when it CDs first came out
and they were like a big deal.
Like it was like this whole new thing.
And then you, cause I, I.
Had a Walkman for a
while, which of course was the
tapes.
And then you move on to the CD players.
But I remember tapes.
Well, ironically, the way that Iremember tapes more than anything
where books on tape, that was likethe big thing where this this might've

(01:01:37):
just been like a Midwestern Butyou're familiar with Cracker Barrel,
right?
Okay, okay.
So we would, that would
be like a huge thingthat my family would do.
We would go to Cracker Barrel and theymight still have them I've been to
one within the last few years wherethey still have those big stores

(01:01:57):
in the

Katie (01:01:58):
They do?

Yes.
Where it's like, it's like toys.
I mean, we take our kids probably likeonce every six months, we'll take one.
There's like only 20 minutes away from us.
And it, but it is like maddening.
Like you literally have to belike, okay, when we walk in the
store, we're not touching anything.
But anyway, we would, as kids, wedid have a huge selection of books

(01:02:20):
on tape and that was a huge thing.
When we'd go out, cause wewere a road trip family.
So
we would.
Several books on tape and then listento them in the car as we drove.
Yeah,

Katie (01:02:29):
that.
That's a great family activity.

for sure.

Katie (01:02:33):
I remember listening Like uh, I don't know if it
was the Sunday, Casey Kasem's
the, you could write letters in.
What was that called?

his, his top, he was like the, I always remember
him as he had this radio station.
It was like his top, likethe top hits of the time.
Yeah, and then I know he had kind of likea, didn't he have a Dear Abby adjacent
show?

Katie (01:02:59):
in that show, like between songs, like he would, and it was always
like these long, very like heartfelt.
He's like, and this one's for you, Johnny.
But you know, whatever.
Yeah,

Talk about a notable voice.
I mean,

Katie (01:03:12):
Mm.
Mm hmm.

I remember, I mean, my, my first introduction to him was shaggy,
but then remembering like later thatmy mom would listen to him on the
radio and just like falling in lovewith how interesting his voice was.

Katie (01:03:28):
Extremely.
He may be one of the, you know,he's probably in the top 10 or 20
of most, most recognizable voices.
Agreed.

Oh my gosh, that's such a blast from the past.
I love it.

Katie (01:03:40):
Right?
I wondered, it makes sense after Iwatched the movie, but going into it,
I was like, why is fatherhood 2 words?

Yeah.

Katie (01:03:51):
Do you know why?

I have no idea.
I, I tried my, my first initial guesswas just this idea of I mean, you
thinking of this idea of he's, like,from maybe the wrong side of the tracks
of they're trying to because, you know,that, that was kind of more slang in
the 90s of saying we're in the hood.
But I think potentiallythere's, there's that.
I know that it's,Potentially jargon with cars.

(01:04:16):
And I was like, I, why, why is it exactly?
But I never quite put my finger on it.

Katie (01:04:21):
No, you're exactly right.
It's a play on words.
The paternal phrase, fatherhood,father, and then hood, being, referring
to like criminal, gangster, mobsterof some sort, , represented by Jack.
So he's A father, but he's a hoodlum

Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
That's what I imagined as much becausethat that was a big word in the
nineties of you, you know, you were,that was like the way that you describe
like certain, like neighborhoodsas being like, this is the hood.
No,

Katie (01:04:54):
Yeah.
Very nineties, very nineties,So yeah, that's why fatherhood
is two words, everyone.
I have not seen this movie either,but the next year in 1994, a
very similar movie was released.
It's called getting even with dadwith Ted Danson and Macaulay Culkin.
Have you seen that?

haven't.

Katie (01:05:16):
That tends to happen in Hollywood quite a bit, but they both revolve
around kind of either a crook or adeadbeat dad where the mother has passed
away, you know, and then they're thekids are like left and in his care.
So back to back years.

Nice.
You know, when I think of amovie that did this, but did it
perfectly, I think of Big Daddy.
That's the movie that really likerings so true to me with Adam Sandler.

Katie (01:05:44):
Yes, good point.

in my mind, because I see a lot of parallels between, because
it's like I The, you know, deadbeatguy, he's, you know, he every single
time that his that he wets the bed, hejust puts newspaper on and he's just
like a huge, just like burnout and it's.
You know, of course there's there'stwists and turns and things like that,

(01:06:07):
but but then his love interest is thelawyer that's involved in all of it.
So there's kind of a lotof different parallels.
It feels kind of like.
Fatherhood crawled so that big daddycould, could run it in my mind.

Katie (01:06:22):
I like that.
And Big Daddy is good.
Yeah, it yeah, they abetter executed version.

Yes.
Cause that, that one's really,really heartwarming, but yet you
have he's not a criminal, but he'snot, he's also not a good guy.

Katie (01:06:35):
He doesn't have his life together.

like there he, I'll never forget.
It was like one of the funniest thingsI had seen at that point when it
came out is he goes, he gets excitedbecause he's never been up and awake.
Before 11 a.
m.
And he's like, we, we have to goto McDonald's and he just that's
a complete meltdown McDonald's.

Katie (01:06:55):
our breakfast ends at 1030, sir.
Since
when?

So that's a great, great movie.
I think that that does kindof have a similar formula.
It's

Katie (01:07:11):
Is that?

I wipe my own ass, I wipe my own ass.
Oh my God.
And
it's different as
well after having kids.
Oh my gosh.

Katie (01:07:23):
I'm not a car person, but I did know.
His car was very particular in this movie.
I didn't know what it was, but sothe car that Jack Charles drives for
the most part of the movie, there'sother cars, they steal cars and stuff.
It was a 1972 CadillacFleetwood Eldorado convertible.

Wow.

Katie (01:07:46):
yeah.
So if there are any car peopleout there, is that a big deal?
I don't know.

I think anything Cadillac, I especially, I think
now like in 2024, they, I don'tthink hold at least I personally
don't
feel they hold the
same amount of clout,but there was a time.
Where Cadillac was like, you would evensay this is the Cadillac of you'd be like

Katie (01:08:13):
mm.

like a filet mignon is like the Cadillac of steaks
or like something like that.
You would always kindof, um, I'm a foodie.
So, as you can see, all roads leadback to food and I'm trying to make
an analogy, but that was a reallycommon phrase, I think, for a while.
So I would imagine at that point,a Cadillac was a huge deal.

Katie (01:08:32):
Exactly.
And especially among gangsters.

Yes,

Katie (01:08:38):
And so
he's like a wannabe, likea certain culture.
Cause then later, like inthe two thousands, like the
Escalade became like a big
car in like rap music and stuff, you know?
Yeah.

50 cent.
I remember had I guess there, you know,there was like a point in time where
you, you like immerse yourself and I'mknowing all of the different kind of
like anecdotes about, about people.
And I remember watching some clip of50 cent and he had across his entire
chest, like the Cadillac emblem.

(01:09:13):
And he did it because in his mind, likeCadillac was like the epitome of luxury.
And, So I, I definitely think therewas a time where Cadillac was like
the top of the top and I'm not,you don't really see them anymore,
actually, now that I'm thinkingthrough I'm kind of, they're rare.

Katie (01:09:33):
I dated a guy briefly who was a car salesman for a Cadillac dealership.
And he drove this Cadillac.
I don't even know what kind it was.
And I, I like very much hurt his feelings.
Cause whatever it was, Ithought it was super ugly.
I don't think they're attractive.
Like I think Escalades are fine,but just their sedan or whatever.
I, I.
Think they're ugly.

(01:09:53):
And so maybe they used to be, havea better body style back in the day
than they

not a car person.
Admittedly I don't dislike cars,but I'm, I've never been somebody
that gets excited about cars.
A car.
So unfortunately for me, like itusually, unless it's like, unless I'm
noticing it because it's just thatcrazy looking, I'm never going to
notice a car and have it stand out.

Katie (01:10:18):
I noted, I think I'm a couple of levels beyond your recognition,
but I'm definitely not a car person.
But yeah, I think I think Cadillacs noware kind of synonymous with older people

I would agree with that.
Yeah, I would agree.
Like a kind of like the baby boomer beyond
kind of even more.
So, because like my.
My mom drove a Cadillac when Iwas in high school, but she and
my mom's the kind of person.
Well, she'll drive a car untilit quite literally dies on her.
So she had it for a while, butthen she, she didn't go back.

(01:10:56):
Yeah, I, I agree because there wasa time where, you see people like
my granddaddy driving a Cadillac.
And I
think that that's kind of, they'vekind of earned that reputation

Katie (01:11:07):
Yeah.
Mm hmm.

retirees.

Katie (01:11:10):
Yep.
Yeah, I thought this was a veryinteresting bit of trivia while this
production had part of a freewayclosed for filming, the band R.
E.
M.
took advantage of that and filmed someof their video for Everybody Hurts There.
So they just piggybacked on,oh, this highway's closed and

(01:11:30):
it must have been I can't picturethat video, but that desert.

Yes.

Katie (01:11:36):
probably.

Which makes sense.
You know, never, I'venever seen the music.
I know the song.
I know exactly the song thatthey're talking about, but I've
never watched the music video.
I'll have to watch that now.

Katie (01:11:47):
Me too.
Okay, another bit of trivia about casting.
I love this.
It's my favorite partof trivia every time.
Do you have any guesses for who else wasconsidered for the role of Jack Charles?

Ooh.
Let me think about this.
I feel like I'm biased based onyour previous actor, but in my
mind, I feel like they've maybewanted someone like a Kurt Russell.
But I think, let me, let metry to do, think of who was
really popular during the times.

(01:12:26):
Oh man, I could see like a RayLiotta maybe in, in that role

Katie (01:12:32):
I could see that.
I could see that's not who it was,
but I could see that you were spot

way!
Yay!
That's awesome!
I love it so much!

Katie (01:12:44):
and that could not be more perfect, furthering my point for my
entire first season, because they are.
the ultimate everyman.
Patrick Swayze, Kurt Russell,

so interchangeable in that

Katie (01:12:58):
and similar in,

But yes.

Katie (01:13:01):
similar guys.
They look similar.
They go up for the same roles.
They're the same part.
They're both, ah, I about diedwhen I read that Kurt Russell.
Yeah.
Mm hmm.
Mm hmm.

vindicating.

Katie (01:13:13):
Mhm.
Mhm.
Oh, and like you said at the beginning,I literally 90 minutes of Patrick Swayze.
I will take it in any form.
I do always enjoy spending an hourand a half with our beloved Patrick
Swayze, But We must now return to thepresent day reality until next time.
Lizzie, thank you so much.

(01:13:34):
for joining me to relivea little bit of 1993.
And this fun little escape withPatrick, do you have any final
thoughts about the movie fatherhood?
And then please don't forget to tell uswhere we can find you and your podcast.

Yes.
Yes.
Thanks so much for having me.
This was so much fun.
I mean, I'll just reiteratewhat I said before.
I just, I think the, I think the movie, IDefinitely could have used like a little,
a fine tuning, but I think ultimatelyI'm, I'm just never going to be angry
about getting to watch Patrick Swayze.
It's just never somethingI'm going to be mad at.

(01:14:12):
I just, I find he is one of thoseactors that, He, his own just light
shines through whatever role he'splaying and just allows you to connect.
So regardless of how good or bad thescript is, I just feel like you're
going to have a good time watchingPatrick Swayze beat Patrick Swayze.

(01:14:32):
And so I think I'm appreciate.
That I got to getintroduced to this movie.
You can find me uh,retro movie round table.
We are a similar concept weare a movie podcast.
We love all movies are only criteriafor movies that we reviews has to be
at least 10 years old, but we've donemovies going all the way back to the

(01:14:53):
thirties and then now approaching 2025.
We're just now starting tobreak into movies from 2015.
And you can find us anywherepodcasts are available.

Katie (01:15:04):
It's fun.
I love it.
Retro movie roundtable.
You guys should check it out.
Lizzie, you know, I might bebiased, but she's one of my
favorite hosts on the show.

Thank you.

Katie (01:15:13):
And Thank you all for listening or watching on YouTube.
If you.
like the show, tell a friend or10 until next time be kind rewind.

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