Unlawful Entry | S1E32

In this episode of Retromade, we travel back to 1992 for a psychological thriller with our everyman, Kurt Russell, as well as the very talented Ray Liotta in Unlawful Entry!

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Episode Transcript

Katie (01:45):
Hello.
Hello.
I'm Katie and welcome to RetroMade Your Pop Culture Rewind.
Let's continue the exploration of thebest of the eighties and nineties and
our ultimate everyman with the 1992psychological thriller, Unlawful entry.

(02:05):
I am very excited to have areturning guest with me today.
We have coming back for the secondtime on Retro Made, Sean Malloy
from the I Must Break This podcast.
How are you?

Sean (02:21):
I'm doing well.
Thank you for the for the invite.
Today I was looking at it andit's been well over a year
since I was last on your show.
So, thank you forgraciously inviting me back.
I've been looking forward to this one.

Katie (02:33):
Yeah, actually.
Yeah.
It's been over a year.
May was my year anniversary forRetroMade and you joined on one of the
very first episodes for Tango and Cash.
So everybody check that out.
And before we get into ourdiscussion, tell us about where
things stand with, I must break this.
And where we can find youwhat's going on, Sean.

Sean (02:54):
well, I mean, it's kind of bittersweet to be perfectly honest,
but I think I think it's fair tosay that the, I must break this
podcast has kind of come to an end.
Maybe I don't want to say it'sa definite end because Mr.
Lundgren still has.
A couple films that are thatare in the can, but you know, I
mean, I've gone 108 episodes andI feel like I've gone the gamut.
I've looked at the highs and the lows ofthis films and I've gotten to interview

(03:17):
just a ton of a ton of really cool peoplewho've gotten to work on these films.
And you were actually gracious enoughto join me for what is my guess
final episode for the time being,which is the Rocky IV Director's Cut.
And I just felt like, you know,coming full circle, I felt like
that was a really good film tokind of close out the show on.

(03:37):
So, like I said, I don't want todefinitely say it's been put to
bed, but You know for lack of betterterms, I think at this point it is
going to be coming A bit to a halt.
I know he does have a documentary thatis in the works or actually it's in
post production So I will be doing anepisode covering that but that's it's
kind of up in the air on when that'sgoing to be released So, , our Rocky IV

(03:59):
Director's Cut episode I'm planning onreleasing probably at the end of at the
end of June, beginning of July or so.

Katie (04:06):
That's probably about when this will come out.
So it'll work out.
Thanks again for joining me.

Sean (04:12):
Yeah, of course.

Katie (04:13):
Let's start by opening the time capsule from 1992.
We covered over 30 movies onRetroMade and doing the time
capsule of the prime time.
TV, we've already covered a lot of it.
So I provided you with the listof what was going on at the time.
in June 1992.

(04:35):
We already covered this particularseason, the 91 92 season in the City
of Joy episode, but are there any thatpopped out at you that you want to
share any thoughts or fandom about?

Sean (04:47):
Well, I mean, you know, 1992 in terms of in terms of television
was a really interesting time.
I mean, this is, of course, preinternet, so what we had on TV was
pretty much what we had to entertain us.
I don't think children nowadaysreally get the same kind of excitement
out of television that we had.
You know what I mean?
They have the TOK and all sortsof things that were not meant

(05:08):
to understand us old people.
Right.
So, yeah,
19,
1992 was interesting because I mean,if you can just go back to that
time, I mean, it's really weird.
I was talking about this with my wife acouple of weeks ago, but it's really kind
of crazy to think that TGIF was a thing.
Right.
You know, that families all sataround the TV on Friday evenings

(05:28):
to watch the new lineup of aTV shows, you know what I mean?
We just don't get that nowadays.
Nowadays, Fridays is kind of known askind of like the wasteland where they
dump reruns and all sorts of stuff.
But on that list that you sent me, I mean,one of the big shows that stood out to
me it's kind of weird to look at nowadayswas home improvement, okay, because.

(05:50):
By all intents and purposes, Home
Improvement is,
it was not a good show.
You know, to be perfectly honest,it was really corny and really lame.
The entire conceit is just kindof absurd to be perfectly honest.
I guess not that absurd comparedto other things that we saw.
But you know, what's funny is theystill air reruns of it on some of
the local antenna networks out here.

(06:12):
And you just watch someof the episodes and
it's like,
This lasted eight seasons?
But it's and it's the same joke.
It is the exact Tim Allen is telling
the exact

Katie (06:23):
right.

Sean (06:24):
every episode

Katie (06:26):
It is odd that it was so popular.
It was totally lame.
What was it about it?

Sean (06:31):
I yeah, I don't know.
I mean, I guess you know, Tim Allen'sum his his shtick was I mean it was
funny for what it was and I think that'skind of what we needed around 1992.
But Man, I mean and if you lookat it, I mean, I remember What's
interesting is I remember the firstcouple of seasons I watched with my
family because that's what it was.
It was a family sitcom, right?
And then

(06:52):
as I
started getting older, I kind
of grew out of it.
And what's weird is the kids in thatshow started growing, getting older.
And I feel like with every sitcom,when the kids get older, that's when
it really starts to kind of lose itssteam and it kind of loses its luster.
And I remember when the kids startedgetting older in that show, the
storylines really weren't clicking andthe kids were kind of, through these

(07:15):
growth spurts where they are kind oflooking a little funny and awkward
and their voices are a little off.
And it was again, doing that same joke.
I mean, you know, theycan only hide Wilson.
Remember Wilson, the character,they can only hide his face so many
different ways.

Katie (07:31):
Yeah.
The fence.
Yep.
Yep.

Sean (07:33):
episodes where like at a Halloween party, he'd be wearing a mask, or
I remember there was one where hewas talking on a cell phone and he
was covering, you know, his, I mean,people who are listening, can't see
it, but he had a cell phone up on oneear and then he was covering his mouth
with his hand with the other hand.
And it was like, guys whatare we doing at this point?
You know?

Katie (07:54):
Yeah, Like hacky almost, but I feel like a lot of guys like dads liked it.
I don't know if they related toTim or what, but it was really
popular, but you're right.
It's not a very goodshow, but we all know it.
We know it very well.
Yeah.

Sean (08:09):
definitely.
So, but yeah, that was the one the big onethat kind of stood out to me on that list.
You mentioned you mentioned Roseanne.
Roseanne was, of course, a juggernaut.
And I think, you know, in hindsight, ifyou look back upon it, I think one of
the big reasons why home improvement wasthe success with it, that it was because,
you know, that's something else to that.
I mean, if you want to go downthis rabbit hole, that's something

(08:29):
else that we just don't get.
Nowadays is.
A show would be a successor.
It would at least get anotherseason or at least get eyes on it.
If it was on a night where a popularshow was on, you know what I mean?
And so if you think about it, like NBC,

Katie (08:46):
The lead in

Sean (08:47):
NBC, they had friends and they had Seinfeld.
And if you remember, this was must see.
What was it called?
Must see TV and know whatthey did Thursday nights.
But what it was
funny is,

Katie (08:57):
yep, on Thursdays.
Yep.

Sean (08:58):
that's what they did is they had friends at the seven
o'clock hour and then they hadSeinfeld at the eight o'clock hour.
And so whatever they put in betweenwas guaranteed to get watched.
It was guaranteed to get watched.
And I feel like with home improvement,ABC did that same strategy.
I remember it was Tuesday nights.
They had Roseanne.
They had home improvement.
Okay.
Those are two juggernaut television shows.

(09:20):
And so they would they wouldkind of test the waters and put.
programming on in, you know, in thatevening between those shows, not
many of the shows were very good.
We're very memorable to be perfectlyhonest, but I do remember that.
Yeah.,

Katie (09:36):
I'm glad you brought Roseanne up because I just covered in my
last episode, which was 3 wishes.
Have you seen Three Wishes?
Probably not from,

Sean (09:45):
No, I haven't, but I do distinctly remember it coming to theaters and
it coming out and getting released.
And I remember it.
I don't
remember hearing
anything bad about it.

Katie (09:53):
No, it was actually really good.
It's just for whateverreason didn't get seen.
I actually do really like it.
but in that episode, so you guys goback and listen to episode number
31 Three Wishes, and I did a wholeRoseanne retrospective on that show.
So yeah.
All right.
Well, thanks for that home improvement.
Yeah.
Wild times.

Sean (10:12):
Yeah.

Katie (10:12):
Should we move on to the Billboard top 10 that week from June 26th, 1992.

Sean (10:20):
Okay.
Okay.

Katie (10:22):
This is very 92.
Like all of these are very 92.
So the number one song isI'll be there by Mariah Carey.
Classic.
Everyone knows that song.
Number two song is BabyGot Back by Sir Mix a Lot.
I have this cassette tape.

(10:43):
I loved it.
Like the single.

Sean (10:50):
Do you remember?
I mean, this is kind of going,this is going back a bit, but I
remember going to a music store.
It's actually really kind of cool.
I'd love, you know, a lot of peopleask if you could go back in time.
This is one of the things I'd love toto see, but do you remember going into
the music stores and they're just beingwalls upon walls of cassette tapes?
Do you remember how they would linethem up and how they would like,

(11:13):
because it was

Katie (11:13):
Yeah,

Sean (11:14):
you know,
to display a cassette tape.
So it would be on a wall and just,you would have just three, four walls,
just full of these kids set tapes.
And they would all bein alphabetical order.
And you go down.
I, I only bring that up becauseI remember I had That single is
that cassette type single as well.
So

Katie (11:31):
you did.

Sean (11:32):
yeah too much to my parents
dismay

Katie (11:35):
What about, did you have, yeah, I love, I still like it.
I also had the number four song.
God, this was hitting when I wasin like grade school, crisscross.
Jump.
Remember them?

Sean (11:48):
that was their only hit too, wasn't it?
like they

Katie (11:53):
they maybe had one other, but Yeah.
Yeah.

Sean (11:56):
Yeah.
No, I remember
boy, Wearing pants backwardsand baseball jerseys backwards.
That was one thing that justdidn't catch on did it like

Katie (12:05):
no, I think one of them died too.
It was like two Chris's.
Both boys were named Chris.
One of them was like DaddyMac, one was Mac Daddy.
I don't know, it was wild and Ithought it was cool in like 5th grade.
Whatever, however old I was.

Sean (12:19):
yeah,

Katie (12:20):
Sophie B.
Hawkins has the number five song thisweek with Damn, I Wish I Was Your Lover.
That was a huge song.
It's pretty good.
Did you, I mean, I guess you were a youngboy, so maybe you didn't care for it.

Sean (12:43):
no, I don't remember that one.
So
yeah, sadly sadly that one got loston me, but no, crisscross definitely.
I remember Mariah Carey was was,you know, she was, was she coming
onto the scene at that time?
Right.
Yeah.
She was starting to become a thing.
Yeah.

Katie (13:03):
like 90, early 90s, because before then she had Oh, I forget the name of it,
but she was like, she had made it in 92.
She was big.

Sean (13:12):
Yeah.

Katie (13:13):
So damn.
I wish I was your lover withSophie B Hawkins and Vogue
has my loving with number six.
You're never going to get it.
I'm sure, you know, they justbasically say that the whole time.
Never going to get it.
Never going to get it.

Sean (13:25):
Yep.
Yep.
No.

Katie (13:26):
Celine Dion.

Sean (13:28):
Yes, I remember her.
You know, it's funny because I rememberbeing I was at that particular summer.
My parents are both working.
So I was at a YMCAsummer camp all day long.
And so I remember a lot of people,especially the, or a lot of the kids that
were there, especially the the young girlsall had their Walkman cassette tapes.
so these songs that you'rementioning here, they had those

(13:51):
like a library in their backpackthat they would be popping in.
So, yeah, this is, it'sall coming back to me.
Thank you.

Katie (13:58):
Well, speaking of, it's all coming back to me.
That's another Celine Dion song,but the number seven song that
she had this week was called.
If you asked me to.
And then you're bringing up that memoryof all the girls with their cassette
tapes and their Walkman's this.
Is wild.
I had kind of forgotten thephenomenon that was Billy Ray Cyrus

(14:20):
in 1992 with achy, rachy heart.

Sean (14:29):
Yeah, and it's so funny you mention that because I saw on a,
why these things make the news.
I have no idea, but I saw that speaking ofBilly Ray, I guess he recently filed for
divorce from his wife of about six months.
And I don't know if you've seenpictures of Billy Ray Cyrus
now, I guess he's channeling RobZombie or something like that.

(14:53):
I mean, he looks completelydifferent than he did.
1992 than he did when he wasdoing like Hannah Montana.
Like he is completely, I mean, I'm tellingyou, he looks just like Rob Zombie.
It is pretty insane.
So

Katie (15:08):
What?
I did not know that.
I didn't even know hehad gotten married again.
Cause he was with Miley's mom fora long time and they divorced,
I want to say not that long ago.
Like, within 5 years or something,

Sean (15:20):
yeah,

Katie (15:20):
so then you're saying he has remarried someone else
and it lasted all of 6 months,and now he looks like a weirdo,

Sean (15:27):
all of six months.
Yes.
And weirdo is saying it is sayingit lightly, but he's made more
money than I'll probably ever see.
So who am I to to

Katie (15:36):
you know,

Sean (15:36):
Mhm.

Katie (15:40):
rocking that awful mullet.
it was, not a good mullet.
I hated it so much.
I never understood.
I did not find him attractive.
In 92, but apparentlyeveryone else on earth did

Sean (15:52):
Yeah, it was the mullet.
it was the
mullet and the tank top.
That, he
had the

Katie (15:57):
Yes.

Sean (15:58):
off shirt, right?

Katie (15:59):
Yep.
That's true.
And the number nine song iscalled Tennessee and it's
by Arrested Development.
I don't remember that song, butI know Arrested Development.
And then the number 10 song is a combo.
We have the best things in life are free.
And this is by Luther Vandrossand Janet Jackson with.

(16:22):
B B D.
Bell, Biv, Devoe.
I think that's B B D.
Yeah.
I can't really picture thatsong either, but all of those
people are very well known.

Sean (16:32):
Yeah.
Yeah, definitely.
I mean, when you, when, I mean, Ican't, I couldn't tell you a single
song by Belle Viv DeVoe, but I doknow Bill Bellamy went into acting
and has starred in quite a few movies.
So.
know, so there's that,
but,

Katie (16:46):
News and
events.
I don't know why I found this funny, butthis movie came out at the end of June.
And one of the things when I waslooking at what was going on, in the
world is that it snowed in Coloradoand we both live in Colorado.
So I thought I would mention that to you.
A lot of times it snows in May, likeon Mother's Day, it tends to snow,

(17:10):
but apparently it was like kind ofa big deal that it snowed in June.

Sean (17:15):
I don't remember that at all.
I, which is kind of surprising me.
You think I would, but you know,there's the statement only in
Colorado, that's the one, that's onestatement that I've never liked as old.
You know, 80 degrees one day,snow in the next only in Colorado.
It's like one Colorado native
joke that

Katie (17:32):
It's not only in Colorado.

Sean (17:33):
liked stop it.
Whoever tells that joke, stop it.
It's not funny.

Katie (17:38):
If you don't like the weather, wait five minutes.
That one too.

Sean (17:41):
goodness.
Yeah, yeah.

Katie (17:44):
I'm not a native, so I didn't live here then.
Are you a native?

Sean (17:47):
yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.

Katie (17:51):
Oh, I don't think I knew that.

Sean (17:52):
So, yeah, so I've seen all the blizzards that are pretty historic.
Actually I was born one of the mosthistoric blizzards in Colorado.
The Blizzard of 82.
That's when I was born actually.

Katie (18:03):
Really?

Sean (18:04):
with, yeah, that was that was a pretty, that was a pretty crazy one, but.

Katie (18:08):
I very vividly remember this next one being in the
news and it being a huge deal.
This is just wild to me.
Because we have such a differentnews environment now, or media
environment, I should say.
Do you remember when DanQuayle spelled potato wrong?

Sean (18:27):
hmm.

Katie (18:29):
For an elementary school in Trenton, New Jersey, there was a
spelling bee that he was a part of, orI don't know, overseeing or something.
And he was relying on a faulty cardapparently and erroneously instructs
the student to spell potato with an E.
Yeah,

Sean (18:47):
Yes, yes.
I mean, it's one of those things.
I mean, man, I feel like allpresidents always have those
things to be remembered for.
And it's just kind of crazy that is oneof the one of the things that his legacy
will always go down is with potato.
I guess it could be much, much worse.
But yeah, I do remember that.
I mean, that was like alate night punch line.

(19:07):
For the next two to three years, youknow, whether it be on on the the
tonight show on on SNL or whatever,it was always it was always mentioned.
So, yeah, that was another oneI completely forgotten about.

Katie (19:21):
That was wild that it like made the news.
So also in June of 92 Evander Holyfieldbeats Larry Holmes in 12 rounds
for the heavyweight boxing title.
And 2 skeletons were excavatedin, I'm going to pronounce this
wrong Yekaterinburg, Russia.

(19:43):
So.
these skeletons apparently wereidentified as Tsar Nicholas, the
2nd and Tsarina Alexandra, which Iremember in grade school, hearing
a lot about the Tsars of Russia.
Also, I don't know why that wasvery much a part of the talk.

Sean (20:00):
Wow.
And seeing, I don't remember really anyof that, which is kind of sad, but thank
you for, for this history hour, youknow, I totally don't remember any of
that.
So

Katie (20:10):
Well, you probably won't remember this.
I did not remember the next one.
I'm aware of it, but I didn'trealize when exactly it happened.
And I'm very into mob movies andstuff, but real life Mafia boss John
Gotti begins his life sentence in jailfor murder and various other crimes.
June, 92.

Sean (20:30):
Oh, okay.
Oh, and that, that actually, I doremember that hitting the news.
Yeah, man, I'm going, I'm just going,kind of going back and remembering.
And I'm now thinking about all ofthe various movies that have come
out since then about Gotti andabout his about his imprisonment.
So

Katie (20:47):
Oh, yeah.

Sean (20:49):
some are better than
others.

Katie (20:51):
Yeah.
The next one I'm going topost to you is a trivia.
Okay.
So the, there was the NBA draft.
I don't know.
Do you know anything about basketball?

Sean (20:59):
I don't follow the NBA in basketball as much as I should.
I should, some of my closest friendsdo actually, but I probably I, but
interestingly though, this summerI did play basketball for the local
rec league, but that is the lastthing that makes me an expert.

Katie (21:15):
You might get it anyway.
Okay.
So the player played for LSUin college and he was the 1st
pick by the Orlando magic.
I bet you can guess.
92.
Who was it?

Sean (21:31):
Is that Shaq?
Right now.

Katie (21:34):
Yes.

Sean (21:35):
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah,

Katie (21:39):
yeah, Yeah.
Shaquille O'Neal.
First pick.

Sean (21:41):
He'll always be synonymous with the Orlando magic for me, as opposed to the
Lakers or any of the other teams he playedfor, because I mean, when he came on the
scene, he was with the magic and thatwas, I mean, that, that was a big deal.
I mean, I even had thevideo game for God's sakes.
He had a video game where hewas like a Kung Fu master.
Taking out bad guys.

(22:02):
It was called Shaq Fu.
You know what I mean?
Like the fact, I mean,that just kind of shows you
anybody,

Katie (22:08):
Why was he a Kung Fu person?

Sean (22:10):
I have no idea, but again, that was the kind of the crazy aura that
he had, I mean, you know what I mean?
He was just this pop cultural thingwhere he did a little bit of everything.
He went into acting, he he rapped, hehad a rap album, he had the video game.
He had all these endorsement deals.
He was.
I mean, he was Shaq, man.
He was great.

Katie (22:31):
Well, there was also two earthquakes in California, including
the third strongest in the U.
S.
ever.
And one of them was a 7.
4 on the Richter scale

Sean (22:46):
Yep.

Katie (22:46):
in June of 92.

Sean (22:47):
hmm.
I've heard about those.
Yep.

Katie (22:49):
Feel like we don't hear about earthquakes there as much anymore.

Sean (22:53):
No, yeah, you're right.
It's it is interesting how oftenwe really don't, and then when
we do, it's always like a blip.
You know what I mean?
It's always real quick, and then,

Katie (23:03):
Mm hmm.

Sean (23:04):
I know you're right.

Katie (23:06):
yeah, Again, I think just the changing like media environment,
but there are several weddings.
We have TV personality, SteveIrwin marries naturalist,
Terry rains in Eugene, Oregon.
And they remained togetheruntil he died in 2006.
So, the crocodile hunterSteve Irwin got married.

Sean (23:26):
Yeah, no, that's pretty cool.
But I don't remember him being,what's really kind of crazy
is, I mean, how do I say this?
Obviously he was around in the early90s, but I don't really remember
the Crocodile Hunter as we knew him.
Really becoming Into my zeitgeist andbecoming like a known figure until the

(23:46):
late 90s early 2000s and then in that wild

Katie (23:50):
Yeah,
you're right.
You're right.
Do you remember the Montel Williams show?
He he married a burlesquedancer, Grace Morley.
In June of 1992.
And they got divorced in the year 2000.

Sean (24:05):
well it was it was probably the payday loans that he was
was that he was marketing she

Katie (24:11):
Oh, yeah.

Sean (24:13):
She
probably was not

Katie (24:14):
Or is he into the reverse mortgages?

Sean (24:17):
that's what it was.
Maybe it was.
one of those two.
So, interestingly though, to kind ofgo full circle here and I'm not just
saying this to plug my own show but hedoes have an acting credit to his name.
He didn't, you know, he did thetalk show and everything, but to my
knowledge, the only film that he everreally acted in, he played this gung
ho general in a film with with DolphLundgren called The Peacekeeper.

(24:39):
That is extremely cheesy and very verylame, but it is quite easy to find.
It's on just about everystreaming service imaginable.
So if anyone is curious to see whatMontel Williams how he did in the realm
of acting he did team up with with Dolphfor a a very lame movie back in 96.
So check it out.

(25:00):
The Peacekeeper.

Katie (25:02):
I can about imagine.
I'm, my guess is he wasnot the best actor, but
I could be wrong.

Sean (25:08):
pretty terrible.

Katie (25:10):
So I feel like we already talked about David Bowie getting
married, but this must be, okay.
So the wedding that I'm talking aboutin June of 92 is that David Bowie.
Wed's Somali supermodel Iman, thistime in a formal ceremony at St.
James Episcopal Church in Florence, Italy.
They must have had anotherceremony somewhere else.

(25:32):
And I, I'm just forgettingbecause I know we've covered it.
But they remained togetheruntil he died in 2016.

Sean (25:42):
Oh, good for them.
for them.
Yeah I gotta admit, I'm not, I've neverbeen the biggest David Bowie fan, but
I've always, really appreciated histhe impact that he had on not just
that genre, but on music in general.
I mean, so, so yeah but sadly I've neverthe biggest, the biggest Bowie fan.

(26:02):
That makes me terrible.
Right.
I mean, I feel.
I feel terrible.

Katie (26:06):
Sean, no, I literally feel the same way, but it's like one of
those things that I don't, I'm like,I'll just keep that to myself because
seemingly everyone, I don't dislike him.
I just am not like super into it.
You know,

Sean (26:19):
Yeah.
So, but no that, that's cool thatthey, I mean, that, that's with the
way Hollywood and celebrity status is,it seems like none of those marriages
are few of those marriages last.
So good for him for for stickingthrough all the way till his till
his unfortunate and untimely death.

Katie (26:38):
Death did them part.
Yes.

Sean (26:40):
Yeah,

Katie (26:42):
before we get into unlawful entry, I want to briefly mentioned
some of the other movies that werebig in the theaters at the time.
So unlawful entry was number9 in the theaters in June 92.
These are, there's so many.
I remember all of these.
We have Batman Returns was the number one.

(27:02):
Sister Act, Patriot Games, LethalWeapon 3, House Sitter, Far and Away,
Alien 3, Encino Man, and Class Act.
It's quite a group of movies, eh?

Sean (27:18):
that was, I mean, I'm glad you brought that up, but
yeah, 92 was a huge summer.
You're also, I mean, those are theones obviously that preceded them, the
one that we're talking about today.
But a couple of others that cameout that summer that I believe it
was, what was the summer at 92?
I'm pretty sure it was, but you mentionedEncino man Polly Shore did another
one that came out that summer calledson in law, which I will go down as

(27:41):
saying,

Katie (27:41):
Love it.

Sean (27:42):
day is still a hilarious movie.
That's actually a Thanksgivingstaple in our house.
We watch that every Thanksgiving.
So son in law is great and probablymy all time favorite movie came out
in July of 1992 exactly about a monthafter unlawful entry, but universal
soldier Jean Claude Van Damme,Dolph Lundgren, absolutely amazing.

(28:04):
1992.
Talk about a hell of a summer,

Katie (28:08):
Sean I'm glad you brought up Universal Soldier because
I had not seen it before.
Wildly, I don't know how it missed me.
I'm not a sci fi person.
I can see why it missed me.
But now, as an adult, I don't know whyI never revisited it because I love both
of those guys, Jean Claude and doll.
And so I had mentioned thaton my show recently, and.

(28:32):
Another podcaster who has guested on theshow before, and I've guested on his show.
Well, he invited me back to his showto cover it recently, and I think
it, at the time of this recording,it probably will have come out.
And so Zoe from Backlook Cinemaand I check out the episode
covered Universal Soldier.
It was so much fun.

Sean (28:50):
hmm.
It really is an amazing movie.
I mean, I look back upon it.
I, of course, covered it in my showand we had some technical difficulties.
So it's not one of the bestepisodes, but , but no it's amazing.
I mean, I don't think I can sayanything more about it than that.
Obviously I could, but I don't, I wantto be respectful of your time and the
film that we're talking about today.

(29:11):
But it really is anybody, I mean, here'sthe thing, here's the way I look at it.
Anybody who went into the Expendablesyou know, when the Expendables movies
came out and were so amazed at thegimmick of putting all these action guys
together in the same movie, which don'tget me wrong, was an amazing gimmick.
I loved it.
But in my mind, I was kind oflike, they already did this.

(29:34):
They did it with Universal Soldier andthe edge the Universal Soldier had over
the Expendables films is Universal Soldierpitted these two action guys together
But when they were in their prime.
Expendables did it, but I mean, theywere all old and they were after
their prime and everything like that.
Still in amazing shape,don't get me wrong.
But with Universal Soldier, they putthese two meathead egos together in

(30:00):
one movie and had them beat the hellout of each other for 95 minutes.
I love it because of that.

Katie (30:06):
Yeah, it was super fun.
I very much liked it.
And so wasn't sure that.
I would just becausehe's really into sci fi.
So
he's trying to introduceme to more sci fi.
And I think he understandsmy taste now a little more.
Anyway, it was great.
But what we are here to talk about today.
Is unlawful entry.

(30:26):
Let's get into it.
The release date was June 26, 1992.
It is rated R.
The IMDb is a 6.
4.
I feel like the last severalmovies that I've done have
been right around that range.

(30:46):
We have Jonathan Kaplanis our director here.
And he produced the series ERand directed several episodes
of that, but he also directed.
The accused as well as broke down palace.
So that's the director here.
The writers are, we have George Putnam andhe is known for his writing on NYPD Blue

(31:10):
and Deadwood as well as John Katchmer,who's not really otherwise known.
And then Louis Collick, who's knownfor tons of stuff, including October
Sky, Domestic Disturbance, Ghostsof Mississippi, and Ladder 49.
The music is by James Horner.
Does anybody remember that he'sthe Academy Award winner, James

(31:34):
Horner, and it's frigging good.
It's super good in this.
I really liked it.
What'd you think?
The music, Sean?

Sean (31:39):
I love the music.
I mean, there's so much aboutthis movie to appreciate.
The one thing I would just want to saynow before I forget, but one of the
things that's amazing about this isnot only did this come out in theaters.
Okay.
Excuse me.
Not only did this, was thisreleased in the summer.
Okay.
But this went theatrical.
A film like this would notgo theatrical nowadays.

(31:59):
A film like this at best would premiereon like a Netflix or like a streaming
service or something like that.
When you were mentioning that crop offilms that came out in the summer, I
mean, think about just all the differentgenres and all the kind of lower
budget or mid budget films that we gotthat were released in the summertime.
Nowadays we don't get that.
And you think about it, summer ispretty much the home for Disney

(32:21):
and whatnot, you know, just thesegiant 200 million blockbusters.
But yeah sorry, that was a side tangent.
He asked me about themusic, but no, the music.
this film wonderfully because I thinkat its core with this particular
film, I'm just going to say it.
is a pretty kind of lurid, trashymovie to be perfectly honest.
I mean, it is it's pretty trashy in, in,

Katie (32:43):
It's formulaic.

Sean (32:44):
many respects, but I think the music really really bounces
off it all pretty well, you know?

Katie (32:50):
Well said.
So James Horner, if thatsounds familiar to Listeners.
Yes, he has won Academy Awards.
He's very Well, known, but we alsotalked about him because he did
the music for Uncommon Valor withour other Everyman, Patrick Swayze.
So go back and listen to thatepisode if you haven't okay.
So for those of you who havenot seen this in 30 years.

(33:12):
We have happily married Michael andKaren Carr call the police after a
failed robbery in their Los Angeles home.
Before long, officer Pete Davis arrivesand helps arrange the installation
of a new security system, takingextra interest in the couple's case.
As a result, the grateful carsinvite Pete over for dinner.
And as one thing leads to another, theystrike up an unexpected friendship.

(33:36):
However, as the lonely policemandevelops an intense fixation on
the cars, Pete's take on friendshipturns into a dangerous obsession.
What happens when the cureis worse than the disease?
That's the description.
The budget of it was 23 million andit made 57 million, which is kind
of surprising for a movie like this.

(33:57):
Like you were talking about Sean

Sean (33:59):
Well, I think there's actually some
very clear
reasons if you look at the timelineof when this came out, I mean, first
of all, yeah, it's a very modestly,I mean, by today's standards, but
it's a pretty modestly budgeted film.
Okay, you said 21 million or whatever.
But if you look at the timeline ofwhen this came out, okay, so 1991

(34:21):
that we had the Rodney King beatings.
Okay, in Los Angeles.
And then a year after that, wehad the the trial in which the
officers were acquitted, which thenresulted in the the LA riots, right?
Okay.
So that all happened in theyear that preceded this film.
Now I imagine this film was obviously itwas already being filmed or was already

(34:44):
in production and everything like that,but this film came out in the aftermath.
Of all of that, and so I thinkby the general public especially
in Los Angeles police officersare being viewed as the enemy.
a film coming out, okay, in the wake ofall of this, in which the antagonist,

(35:04):
the villain, is a police officer who issupposed to, you know, who's supposed
to uphold the law and protect everyone.
The fact that he's the villain doingthese things I think it was kind of,
it's very unfortunate circumstances,obviously, but in a weird way, it came
out at a time where I think audienceswere more prone to buy a ticket

(35:25):
for something like this, you know,

Katie (35:27):
You mentioned Ray Liotta.
He plays officer Pete Davisand he is he plays a delusional
psychopath very well in this.
Kurt Russell plays Michael Carr.
He's our.
The, you know, the the every man whohas to fight off this crazy person and
his wife is the lovely Madeline Stowe.

(35:48):
She plays Karen Carr and you guysall know her, but She's pretty well
known for the last of the Mohicans,the general's daughter and the
TV series revenge from like 2009.
I want to, say.

Sean (36:03):
She's married to a Brian Benman.
Who, I don't know if you rememberthe show dream On from the nineties.
It was on HBO, but they've beenhappily married ever since.
So, fact.

Katie (36:15):
I don't, know who that is.

Sean (36:17):
okay.
Well, yeah, there, there was a show
Dream on, it was

Katie (36:19):
Hmm.

Sean (36:20):
it was on
HBO though anyone who was fortunateto have premium Cape Premium cable.
Back in the early nineties, therewas a a sex comedy show that was
on that was on that channel thatran for quite a few seasons.
But the lead character on that show.
That's who she's married to.

Katie (36:35):
Oh, I got to check out what he looks like because
she is a striking beauty.
So the partner of Ray Liotta'scharacter is Roy, Officer
Roy Cole played by Roger E.
Mosley.
And he's known, he was in the originalMagnum PI series, like the whole series.
So he's probably most known for that.
And then so Michael Carr, Kurt Russell'scharacter has He's like his lawyer, but

(36:57):
he's his partner and friend as well.
Roger is his name played byKen Lerner and he's a very
familiar face, lots of TV work.
He played Rocco in Happy Days and heplays Lou Schwartz in the Goldbergs.
So that's something alittle bit more recent.

Sean (37:15):
I'm glad you mentioned Roger Mosley because unfortunately he
passed away this this past year.
But yeah, what awonderful character actor.

Katie (37:25):
I didn't know he passed away, but yeah.
He is good.
I liked him a lot as well.
Debra Offner plays Penny, who isKaren's friend, and she's not super well
known, but you might recognize her fromCruel Intentions and The Black Swan.
She had some decent sized parts in those.

(37:45):
All right, Sean, overallimpressions of Unlawful Entry.
What do you got?

Sean (37:53):
I mean, is, I mean, first of all, when you talk about how your season, the
theme of the season is every man, I mean,Russell is perfect for this role because
he is the ultimate every man in this role.
You know, I've always.
I've always gravitated to this film andI've liked it for a number of reasons.
Number one, I've always been,me personally, I've always
been a fan of of cop movies.

(38:14):
That's just kind of a genrethat I've always gravitated to.
And so, usually if
it's a movie

Katie (38:19):
Same.

Sean (38:19):
police, you know, even the dirty ones or whatever it may be, that's
just a genre that that I really like.
With this particular film, I mean,it has two of my favorite actors.
Now, of course, you know, I wasgravitated to, you know, Damme, Dolph,
Arnold, Sly but when we're lookingat like actors, like real actors,

(38:40):
not saying those other guys aren'tactors, but you get the difference.
But,

Katie (38:44):
Mm hmm, mm hmm,

Sean (38:45):
Ray Liotta are, have always been at the top for me and they
off each other wonderfully.
I mean, you know, in the end, I think oneof the things that's kind of unfortunate
about it, and it's, you know, It's nota detriment to the film, but when we
talked about Tango and Cash, how magneticKurt Russell is, and he's perfect in
this role, don't get me wrong, but atthe end of the day, when you finish

(39:08):
watching it, you really don't rememberKurt Russell as much as you do Ray Liotta.
And, you know, it's, I
think that's,
You know, what.
I don't want to say it's a catch 22, butin the end I think it works because your
film was only as good as its villain.
And Ray Liotta is just phenomenal in thismovie as as Pete, you know what I mean?

(39:29):
There are so many scenes that are just,and I imagine we'll probably talk about
them, but there are so many moments inthis movie, how I mentioned earlier how
it's a little trashy, but there are somany moments that are so And so creepy.
I mean, if we just go to the scenewhere Kurt Russell goes on the ride
along with Ray Liotta and Ray Liottashows his true colors, his true

(39:51):
side, that it really stays with you.
And then to this day, I will sayright now, Katie probably one of
the creepiest scenes I've ever seenin a film is in Unlawful Entry.
And it's the scene where RayLiotta kills his partner by
played by

Katie (40:06):
mm hmm,

Sean (40:07):
Mosley, you know what I
mean?
That scene is
just so
From the score to the way to Ray Liotta'smannerisms If you notice his mannerisms,
he has this look in his eyes every time.
I mean that scene just it just it's
It's just so insane, butin the end I think it works

Katie (40:30):
Oh, Yeah.
that, no I really want To dig intothat scene, too, because, it's like we
kind of see that it's coming the secondthat we pan over to Ray's character.
He puts gloves on, checks a few things.
We're like, oh, shit.
What's what's he going to do?
We see it coming and then he waits.

(40:53):
He sits with him and watches him die.

Sean (40:57):
Yeah.
be honest, for me, Katie, the scariestpart of that scene, and tell you why.
Well, actually, I know why.
It's Leota's acting.
But for me, with that scene, the partthat always creeped me out is, if you
notice, he shoots his partner, okay?
And then he looks at theperpetrator whose apartment, and

(41:18):
you see this guy is freaked out.
He's like, what is going on?
And just how rarely Leota looksat him and says, take the gun.
it's just like, oh my God.
And I heard, you know, it's funnybecause years down the line, I
heard critic talk about that scene.
And they were like, anybody who checkedthe ballistics and everything like that,
of how that went down, they would have
figured out,

Katie (41:38):
Yeah,

Sean (41:39):
minute.
This doesn't, but you know what,when I saw this for the first
time, didn't even think about that.
That didn't even go through my mind.
You know what I mean?
And it works, you know?
If you go, I know we're kind ofbouncing around, but if you go to
the end, the final fight that Leotaand and Kurt Russell have in the
kitchen, you know, Kurt Russelltakes a frying pan to the face.

(42:01):
I mean, it's, I mean, this, thisfilm is not cartoonish by any means.
The violence here is real and it's.
It's very unsettling, butin a weird way, it warrants,
warrants rewatches in my opinion.

Katie (42:17):
yeah.
Unsettling is a good way of putting it.
And I do think the music reallyhelps us get in the right
emotional state for each scene.
And I'm glad that you brought up.
I mean, obviously I'm talkingabout Ultimate Everyman and Kurt
Russell, but when I was watchingthis I got major breakdown vibes.

(42:38):
Breakdown comes out in 97,so five years later, but he
plays a very similar character.
You know, he's got glasses, he'swearing khakis, he's just like a regular
husband trying to protect his wife.
I will say I like thecasting a lot better in this.
Madeline Stowe and Kurt Russell, Areon par looks wise with each other and

(42:58):
I didn't feel that way with I forget.
No offense to this lovely woman whoplayed his wife in Breakdown, but I
thought they needed someone prettier.
And so Madeline Stowe and Kurt Russellmake a very good looking couple.
And yeah, I don't know.
I got Breakdown vibes.
Did you at all?

Sean (43:15):
Well, first of all the actress, that's Kathleen Quinlan,
who plays his his wife in in
Breakdown.
You know, I mean, what'sinteresting is I guess I never
really looked at it that way.
To be honest, I'm just going to say it.
Madeline Stowe in this moviealways kind of annoyed me.
You know, she's doing that.
I know, I'm sorry.

(43:36):
But she's doing that thingthat I've never really liked.
And we see this all thetime in horror movies, okay?
But she's the one who'sto what's going on.
You know what I mean?
There are red flags and there are signs,okay, in front of her so many times.
And she's always just, I don't know.

(43:57):
It's my husband who's crazy.
You know what I mean?
I mean, think about any moviethat has a that has a killer kid.
This is a lame example, but I feellike any of those, any film that
has a child who a little psychoticor whatever, you always have that
one person who's just running tothe parents, running to the teacher,
running to everyone, trying to warn themsaying, Hey, this person is not right.

(44:19):
This person is ill.
Okay.
We need to watch out for him.
And that person isalways getting blown off.
Okay.
It's almost like thatperson is the crazy one.
And I feel like that is what MadelineStowe for the first two acts of
this movie, that is what MadelineStowe is doing to Kurt Russell
for a good chunk of this movie.
You know what I mean?
I mean, there's the scene when KurtRussell comes home from the ride along

(44:42):
and he's like, something is wrong.
Something is amiss.
I don't want this guy around anymore.
And then Madeline Stowecompletely gaslights Kurt Russell.
If you remember, she completelygaslights him and says, Well, you
weren't in my shoes because youdidn't have a knife to your throat,
so blah, you know, blah, blah, blah.
Which, I don't want to mitigate whatshe went through by any means, but it's

(45:02):
one of those things where it's like,Lady Like your husband is telling you
that he doesn't want this guy around.
Listen to him, please.

Katie (45:11):
You know, I see where you're coming from, but I disagree a little bit.
I thought she was prettyappropriately hearing him out,
but also She's like, well, thiscame out of nowhere yesterday.
We loved this guy.
And, you know, in her head, she'sthinking maybe you're overreacting.
And I really do want to be protected.
This was very scary.

(45:31):
I don't know.
I sort of felt that she was beingrealistic about how someone would
be like you want to hear what yourhusband is saying and believe him.
But then you're like, you have,she hasn't seen it for herself yet.
So it's hard for her.

Sean (45:45):
Mm

Katie (45:45):
I don't know.
I hear you though.
That's true.

Sean (45:50):
to Ray Liotta's credit, because Ray Liotta is, I mean, again, the guy's
a masterful actor, and he is so, Imean, he's so good at playing the master
manipulator, you know what I mean?
And that's exactly what he does.
The scene where he where he goes to seeMadeline Stowe one on one, and he shows
her the bullet wound, and he kind oftells her like, being a cop, this is

(46:14):
what I have to go through, and maybeyour husband wasn't ready to, you know,
to walk on the wild side, if you will.
And this is why I do what I do.
So I can see where maybe she's comingfrom and wanting to believe him.
But there are just so many moments thescene at the nightclub that comes up later
on, where Ray Liotta just, keep callinghim, we should call him Pete, but the

(46:35):
scene where he shows up at the nightclubfor for Kurt Russell's, you know, big
grand opening, Madeline Stowe does not seethat as being weird at all that this cop
is showing up uninvited to a nightclub.
Yeah.

Katie (46:51):
Yeah.

Sean (46:53):
Anyway.

Katie (46:53):
that's true.
Yeah, that was pretty good.
Yeah, he we see him and it is it'slike little manipulations that and
that's actually kind of a movietrope like this type of movie trope.
It follows a formula.
This happens.
1 of the spouses sees it happen,but the, because it's such little
manipulations and so done in such a waythat the other person doesn't see it.

(47:17):
And, you know, it's very tropey,like the whole movie is very tropey,
but I still liked it because I thinkthe acting was pretty spectacular.
And especially the, when I was rewatchingit, I'm like, okay, a couple things.
A, I'm really glad that the cat livedbecause I'm like, oh, we're introducing
a pet that means a lot to the family.

(47:37):
This does not bode Well, forTiny, the gigantic orange cat.
But he lives, he doesn't die,but immediately when we meet the
friend, Penny, and she's intoRay, Leota's character, Pete,
I'm like, Oh, she's going to die.
And then I'm screaming at the TV.

(47:59):
He's not dead.
Shoot him.
Shoot him.
He's not dead.
That happens.
Every movie, this type, like step overhim and sure enough, he's not dead.
So anyway, those were like thethree like tropes of this type of
thriller that really stood out to me.
Do you have thoughts?

Sean (48:16):
Well, yeah, I mean, regarding the whole, you know, he's not dead,
that's kind of been one of my slightissues with the film is how almost
his villain character almost kindof evolves into a Michael Myers.
know, by the end, you know what Imean, to where he just is completely
unstoppable and, you know, then it'skind of relying on some of these horror

(48:39):
thriller tropes and, but you know what?
I think in the end we were talkingabout this on another podcast.
I guessed it on recently, but, ifanyone else was in the role, Okay.
In these particular roles, youwould look at it as being pretty
absurd and pretty ridiculous.
You know what I mean?
But because you have Kurt Russell, whois acting his ass off, and then you have

(49:00):
Ray Liotta, and then Madeline Stowe.
I mean, these are all amazing actors.
They are selling it so well thatyou're able to kind of look past
the overall kind of silliness of it.
And go along with it.
You know what I mean?
But no, yeah, you're exactly right.
It is kind of interesting how bythe end it kind of does devolve into

(49:21):
a standard home invasion thriller.
However, I will say I do love,there's a moment in the film I
mentioned how Kurt Russell is slammedin the head with a frying pan.
how.
I mean, how many times have we seenthat in movies where the characters
get hit and they fall down and thenthey either get knocked out or they get

(49:42):
back up and they can continue fighting.
What I love about this is, Imean, it clocks Kurt Russell.
He falls to the ground and yousee him completely of his element.
You don't know where he is, buthe gets that wonderful line to
Ray Liotta when Ray Liotta callsthe security alarm company, right?
Yeah.

(50:02):
Calls him and he says, Oh,the password is pyramid.
And they said, Oh no, that's not right.
And then Kurt Russell gets that line.
I'm not going to repeat it,but he says, figure it out.
Seven letters.
And then he says, F you.
I mean, and the way Kurt Russellsays it as he's like, you know, down
on the verge of death or whatever.
I mean, it's one of the reasonswhy I just think Kurt Russell's is

(50:26):
awesome because even in a momentlike that where he's at his ass
kicked he still dominates the scene.

Katie (50:33):
That's true.
And there was another similarpoint where he kind of feeds
Ray Liotta's line back to him.
There's a time in the movie where,you know, Ray Liotta says to, to
Kurt, I'm not going to arrest you.
I'm going to kill you.
And so then Kirk gets to say thatbasically back to Ray Liotta.

(50:53):
No, I'm not going to arrest you.
And then he doesn't sayI'm going to kill you.
He just does kill him.
And then the gun, he dropsthe gun, literally smoking.
He drops the literalsmoking gun to the floor.
And then, yeah, that's the final scenewhen they do go out to the porch and
then the police are on their way.
But yeah.
With the security system and thepassword, you bringing that up.

(51:18):
I, again, like watching this, he'sthere helping them install the
security system and he asks themwhat he wants the password to be.
It's got to be 7.
And in my head, I'm like, oh,you should immediately change it.
Now he knows your past your password.

Sean (51:33):
And is a cop there helping them?
Install the security system.
That's the other thing, too,that's always kind of bugged me.
I mean, even in 1992, we have securitycompanies, the technicians who are there.
Why is a cop there helping?
And why are they allowing it?
You know what I mean?

Katie (51:51):
He pulled some strings.

Sean (51:52):
right.
Well, yeah.

Katie (51:54):
yeah.
yeah.

Sean (51:55):
Yeah.

Katie (51:56):
I also, I don't know.
I felt this was kind of funny.
There's just terms, thingsin the early nineties, right?
So we have the very early cellphones and only it's like the only
really business y type men have them.
And so all three of them check theirphones when the When somebody gets
a call, he's like, Oh, it's me.
That, and then the term cock teaser,Ray Liotta, before he attempts

(52:20):
to essentially rape MadelineStowe, he calls her cock teaser.
You don't hear that anymore much.
Do you?

Sean (52:28):
no, no, no, I yeah.

Katie (52:32):
Mm

Sean (52:32):
I, I think you said enough there.
Yeah, so much.
I mean, there's a few thingsabout this film that, I mean,
you wouldn't get nowadays.
I mean, Obviously, you know, due toevents you know, that have happened
within the past four years I dothink we, we could still see a or
actually we do still see, excuse mefilms that portray police officers in

(52:53):
negative lights, you know what I mean?
Obviously but
a

Katie (52:57):
hmm.

Sean (52:58):
this, I mean,
I don't know.
I mean, I feel like, again, thisscreams of a film that at most
would get dropped on Netflix with.
Very little fanfare or anything like that.
And it would just kindof kind of dissipate.
You know what I mean?
It would kind of go away.
But

Katie (53:15):
Yep.

Sean (53:17):
the fact that something like this went theatrical and we're
still talking about it to this day.
30 years later, I think that'ssomething else that that
Warrants a some praise for it.
You know what I mean?
Because there are, I mean, let's faceit, there, there are a few films in
Kurt Russell's filmography that Idon't think stand up as well or that

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we really don't, you know, talk aboutthe kind of have gotten forgotten.
But this is one that, considering he justplays an everyman that's overshadowed
by Ray Liotta, there's still so manythings about it that help it kind of,
that help it kind of pop and stand up.

Katie (53:51):
Yeah, you're right.
Ray Liotta actually was nominatedfor an MTV movie award as
the best villain this year.
He didn't win, but he was nominated.
I think the single white female chick won.
That year.

Sean (54:05):
Interesting.

Katie (54:06):
a good villain,

Sean (54:08):
Do you want to know, I don't know, do they still do the MTV Movie Awards?

Katie (54:11):
I have no idea.
I don't know.

Sean (54:13):
alright.
Well, I always figured outhow to tell the winners.
Did you, ever figure out the telltalesign for the, to how to figure out who
was going to win all of various awards?

Katie (54:23):
No.
At the MTV movie awards?
No.

Sean (54:25):
figured this out?
So, I don't
know if it still
But
throughout the 90s I was watching the MTVMovie Awards, and you could always tell.
Who was going to win?
Okay.
Any of the various any of thevarious awards by who they
announced at the very beginning.
So if you remember when they wouldair the MTV movie awards at the very
beginning, they would say with specialappearances by, and they would rattle

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off all of the celebrities, all ofthe musical artists, everybody that
was going to be making an appearance.
Okay.
They would rattle that off at the verybeginning before the show even started.
Okay.
So if that person who was nominated,say for example, Ray Liotta, okay.
If Ray Liotta was nominated and hisname was spouted at the beginning,
okay, with special appearances by RayLiotta, Tom Cruise, whatever, then

(55:13):
you could pretty much guarantee 95percent he was going to win the award
because special appearance, he was goingto be on stage accepting the award.
Right?
Okay.
Fun fact for you, at least that's
how I always,

Katie (55:26):
Oh my god.

Sean (55:28):
it in my mind.
So

Katie (55:30):
Well, yeah.
I can't believe they did that.
Yeah.
The reason that they're specialappearing is 'cause they win the award.
That's hilarious.
I love it.
Yeah, Well, so I also I thought thatMadeline Stowe, I was putting myself
in her shoes and I thought she did areally good job of, she has to like,

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fake that she's into Ray Liotta.
He breaks back in and he's cookingher dinner and he's delusional.
He thinks they're goingto be together now.
And she has to kind of pretend togo along to try and save herself.
And I thought thosescenes were really good.
What else stood out to you?
the ride along was really good.

Sean (56:08):
along

Katie (56:08):
Are there other scenes?
Mm

Sean (56:10):
I like the one that you mentioned as well.
I mean, I think another reallygood scene is the confrontation.
Well, actually there's two realgood confrontations between
Kurt Russell and Ray Liotta.
The first one is at the nightclub.
Okay, like we mentioned where whereRussell, you know, can I just say,
think we alluded to it in in Tangoand Cash, but when Kurt Russell

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yells, especially when he yells at
someone.
He

Katie (56:33):
hmm.

Sean (56:34):
it so well.
But when he screams at
Ray

Katie (56:36):
You're right.

Sean (56:37):
know, says F U and then Ray Liotta has that great line to him
where he says pigeons are watching.
I hope they don't fly away,referring to the investors who
were investing in the club.
I think that was a wonderful scene.
But the other

Katie (56:50):
Mm

Sean (56:50):
oddly enough, I actually remember a clip from this.
How do I say it?
I remember a still from this nextscene being on the VHS box art,
but it was the scene where KurtRussell approaches Ray Liotta and
essentially attempts to buy him off.
Like, Hey, I'm going to give you money sothat you can leave us alone and walk away.

(57:11):
And if you remember,

Katie (57:13):
Hmm.
Mm hmm.

Sean (57:14):
Pete throws a throws a baton into Kurt Russell's stomach
and then puts a gun to his head.
And it's at that moment, in caseit wasn't clear already before that
this guy is completely unhingedof Kurt Russell has met his match.
He's probably outmatchedto be perfectly honest.
I thought that was really cool.
I will say again another critique thatI would have with the film is, I mean,

(57:37):
again, Ray Liotta is amazing in the movie,but if you look at the final fight that
they have, I mean, you would think being,you know, and maybe, maybe you should have
had Doug on for this because he can talkto you about, you know, police training
tactics or whatever, but you would thinkthat Ray Liotta would be using him.
Some of the moves that they teach inthe academy or in law enforcement on

(57:59):
Kurt Russell, but in the end, they'rejust completely thrown whatever they
can in the kitchen at each other.
You know what I mean?

Katie (58:06):
Brawling.

Sean (58:07):
more brawling,

Katie (58:08):
Yeah.

Sean (58:08):
think,

Katie (58:09):
a good point.
Really good point.
So, did you enjoy the sex scene?
I had not, I forgot like Madeline Stoweis like pretty naked the whole time.
I don't think I recalledthat from previous viewings.

Sean (58:24):
Well, if you can go back this far this, you know, again, pre internet
and things like that this was a filmthat was, you know, Rewound for certain
scenes among among pre teenage boys inthe early 90s for reasons like that.
So

Katie (58:40):
Sure.
Yeah, I bring that.
up because I read, that they didnot use body doubles, both of them,
Kurt and Madeline, that's both them.
Not body doubles.
They wanted it to be real.

Sean (58:58):
Well good for them they were both still in their prime so sense, right

Katie (59:04):
Yeah, if you look good, I guess why.
Yeah, yeah.
I did not realize thatRay Liotta and Roger E.
Mosley actually have thesame birthday, December 18th.
And they both died in 2022 withinthree months of each other.

Sean (59:23):
Oh interesting I did not so Yeah, didn't I thought that roger mosley
died this past year though, didn't he?
But I guess.
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, both amazing actors, especiallyRay Liotta, one who we lost way too soon.
So I remember when I heard that, I
couldn't believe

Katie (59:42):
Oh, yeah.
Really bummer.

Sean (59:43):
Mm hmm.

Katie (59:44):
Yeah, I'm a big fan as well.
I really like Ray Liotta.
Okay.
apparently it's like, well,what exactly in police terms or
legal terms is unlawful entry?
Well, apparently the U.
S.
legal website defines it asan illegal entry upon lands
or structures without force.
But by means of fraud, or other willfulwrong burglary, maybe 1 of these types

(01:00:12):
force forcible entry attempted forcibleentry or on lawful entry on lawful entry
refers to persons without the legalright to be on a property who've gained
entry, even though force was not used.
I guess that's how it'sdifferent than forcible entry.

Sean (01:00:32):
Interesting.

Katie (01:00:33):
Just
it's entry that is unlawful.
Mhm.

Sean (01:00:36):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, and if you thinkabout it, they've always made,
they've made quite a few.
I say quite a few, butit seems like oftentimes.
A lot of some of these action movies,you know, one of the ways to establish
that your hero is also an everymanis he's protecting his family from

(01:00:57):
a, from someone who is invading hishome unlawfully, you know what I mean?
I'm

Katie (01:01:02):
Mhm.

Sean (01:01:02):
sentence with Kevin Bacon, Stephen Dorff did one called felon
which was, you know, really good.
So I think it's kind of, an easy.
How do I say this?
I don't want to say easy, but it isa kind of a keen way to establish
multiple things to establishthat your hero isn't every man.
Is it also a family man, but isnot this ultimate action hero?

(01:01:25):
You know what I mean?
It's it kind
of

Katie (01:01:28):
Mhm.

Sean (01:01:28):
both needs, you know,

Katie (01:01:30):
agreed.
Can you think of any potential othercastings for officer Pete Davis?
If it wasn't Ray Liotta whothey might have considered?

Sean (01:01:43):
I mean, off the top of my head, I'm trying to think 1992.
Man, I think Lance Henriksenwould have been good.
he would have been a littleolder, you know what I mean?
Than Ray Liotta, but I think he
might have been pretty

Katie (01:01:57):
Mhm.

Sean (01:01:59):
Robert Patrick.
I mean, he had already done the T 1000 in
Terminator

Katie (01:02:04):
Oh, that would have been, yeah you're right.

Sean (01:02:06):
that would have been pretty good.
In hindsight, it's probably for thebest that he didn't do that, because
then he would have really been typecast.
But I think that wouldhave really been good.
Yeah.

Katie (01:02:17):
He has a cop look to him.

Sean (01:02:18):
I think for the role of Pete, though, you know, kind
of like with Kurt Russell'scharacter, you need that every man.
I mean, Patrick Swayze have easily filledthe role of Kurt Russell's character.
I mean, you know, 100%.
But I
think for the Pete

Katie (01:02:33):
Yep.

Sean (01:02:33):
you do need someone who's pretty slender, pretty wiry.
And you do need someone whohas the menace in their eyes.
And so I think that's
what Ray
Liotta certainly brings.
Robert Patrick like I said,Lance Henriksen, I think
might've been pretty good.
But again, I think he might'vebeen on the older side.
You need someone kind of in thatlate thirties, early forties,

(01:02:54):
kind of, age range to sell it.

Katie (01:02:56):
Yeah I like your picks a lot.
Apparently Kevin Bacon was considered andhe's played some menacing people before.
But the following people turnedit down, offered, but turned it.
down.
Tom Berenger, Mel Gibson,Charlie Sheen, and John Travolta.

Sean (01:03:18):
I could, you know what, I'm not a big fan of Charlie Sheen.
I could have seen him it.
I definitely could haveseen Kevin Bacon do this.
I think
Tiana Baker probably
As the

Katie (01:03:27):
Kevin Bacon, Tom Berenger, maybe.

Sean (01:03:29):
might have been okay.
Yeah.

Katie (01:03:31):
Yeah.

Sean (01:03:32):
Yeah.
You know who actuallywould have been really good
around this time?
Now that I think about it?
Billy Zane.
you remember Billy Zane.
So
this was

Katie (01:03:40):
Ooh.
Yeah.

Sean (01:03:42):
too.

Katie (01:03:43):
call.

Sean (01:03:43):
You know, because he also has the real handsome

Katie (01:03:46):
That's a good one.

Sean (01:03:47):
kind of look about him too.
So.

Katie (01:03:49):
He did need to be, you know, somewhat attractive.
Yeah, I agree.
Now, there's plenty, I mean, it's like,okay, who else could have played Kurt?
You said Patrick but there are acouple people who were considered to
play Michael Carr instead of Kurt.
Any guesses?

Sean (01:04:10):
well, I'm assuming was Kevin Bacon approached as well?
That would make sense to me, but no,
probably not.

Katie (01:04:15):
No, because he was for Pete.

Sean (01:04:17):
Kiefer

Katie (01:04:17):
was for Pete.

Sean (01:04:18):
Sutherland would have been a

Katie (01:04:19):
Another Kevin.

Sean (01:04:21):
No, I don't

Katie (01:04:24):
Okay.

Sean (01:04:24):
Jason Patrick might have been pretty good as well, but no, who else?

Katie (01:04:30):
Kevin Costner, Jeff Bridges, and Bill Pullman.
They're all that kind of generic looking
Kurt was the right way to go.
I really do think that the castingwas pretty good for this movie.

Sean (01:04:44):
Well, and.
Now that you mention it, you know,I mean, as we're kind of wrapping up
with what's interesting is they did.
remake this movie to an extent, sort of.
Back in they did the movieLakeview Terrace, Samuel L.
Jackson played the playedthe cop who was antagonizing
the the

Katie (01:05:02):
Mmm.
Mm hmm.

Sean (01:05:05):
who played the Kurt Russell analog was Patrick Wilson.
And I feel like Patrick Wilson nowadaysis just, I mean, he's an okay actor,
but it feels like anytime they needsomeone just to play that kind of.
Bland, everyman, kind of white male,they always go with Patrick Wilson.
And so, yeah, it's interesting.

(01:05:25):
I think both those, both thesefilms would are kind of, make
for a good double feature.

Katie (01:05:31):
Yeah, good point.
Good point.
My closing thoughts on this movie areessentially that it's a good watch.
It's very generic.
I do like a psychological thriller, butwhat elevates this movie is the stars.
They really bring an energy toit and the music really helped.
And I liked how we kind ofclosed the loop at the beginning.

(01:05:54):
With the, and the end.
So at the beginning, it's like an anaerial shot and with helicopters in
the background of the music over LA.
And then we see their Spanish stylehouse with Karen swimming in the pool.
And then at the end, it kind ofcomes full circle with the music
again, with the police helicoptersin the background, so I really liked

(01:06:15):
that there was the bookends on it.
What are your finalthoughts about the movie?
Unlawful entry, Sean.

Sean (01:06:21):
I mean, I think we've kind of, we've kind of, about it and
danced around it in a lot of ways.
I think it's it's probably not, it'snot my favorite Kurt Russell film.
And I think a lot of that is becausehe's overshadowed by by Ray Liotta.
But again, like I said, Ithink that's actually to the
film's

Katie (01:06:36):
Mm hmm.

Sean (01:06:37):
I think any film, there's that old saying, your film was
only as good as it's villain.
And you need a good villain in orderfor the film to kind of stand up.
And so I think in the end thatactually kind of works for it.
Like I said, it is pretty unsettling.
It is, I kind of go back to this.
It is a pretty trashythriller, if you will.
But that's what we got around this time.

(01:06:58):
I mean, if you think about it,that's what we got around 1992.
Think about all
the trash.
Of all the
trash throwers we've got, youmentioned Single Wife Female, but Basic
Instinct Sharon Stone did quite a few,

Katie (01:07:09):
Mm hmm.

Sean (01:07:10):
one called Sliver, I mean they were all kind of in the same kind of
vein, but It's, I don't know, it's reallykind of cool seeing, I mean, what's
unfortunate, to be honest, is that wedidn't get to see another proper team up
movie with Kurt Russell and Ray Liotta.
I think they really play off eachother really well, and so it's kind of
unfortunate that another script didn'tcome along that kind of put them together.

(01:07:33):
You know, if we're talking cop movies,Ray Liotta did an awesome cop movie
with Sylvester Stallone back in 98called 97, excuse me, called Copland.
I think that would have been reallykind of cool to see Kurt Russell
jump on board, but unfortunately,
Unfortunately that didn't happen.
But yeah, in the end you know, if you'reinto cop thrillers or even if you're

(01:07:54):
not into cop thrillers, but you're intojust a good old fashioned you know,
kind of, Lifetime thriller that mighthave a little bit more violence and
sex than the typical lifetime movie.
I think Unlawful Entry definitely,earns a star for that one.

Katie (01:08:09):
I agree.
Sean, thank you so muchfor joining me again.
It's always great to haveyou on retro made and it was
fun reminiscing about this.
I haven't seen it in forever.
So it was fun to talk aboutthis intense thriller.
Just remind us againwhere we can find you.

Sean (01:08:25):
Yeah, so, the podcast is I must break this podcast.
We look at the the, well, wehave, excuse me, looked at the
extensive filmography of Mr.
Dolph Lundgren.
You can find it on iTunes or whereveryou're subscribed to your podcast.
And it's also on the last of theaction heroes podcast network feed.
So, yeah, please check it out.

Katie (01:08:45):
Awesome.
And Hey, you guys, if you like.
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So I very much appreciate a review.
Haven't had one in a while, so Iwill just say that, but thank you

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