March 28, 2025 • 29 mins
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Robin Hackney welcomes massage therapist Amanda Honsinger to a conversation that might forever change how you think about bodywork and healing. What begins as a simple introduction to a local practitioner quickly transforms into a profound exploration of how our bodies hold onto pain—and how the right approach can release it.
Amanda brings 25 years of experience and a uniquely comprehensive approach to massage therapy. She specializes in fascia work, addressing the connective tissue network that, when congested or stuck, creates cascading pain throughout the body. "It's like a netting over your whole system," Amanda explains. "If it gets stuck up here in the shoulder, it's going to pull on all of the fascia system," causing seemingly unrelated pain elsewhere.
The conversation takes a powerful turn when Amanda reveals that approximately 90% of her clients have experienced trauma that manifests physically. This revelation led her to expand her practice beyond physical techniques into craniosacral therapy and trauma-informed care, addressing both body and nervous system simultaneously.
Robin's personal testimonial provides compelling evidence of Amanda's exceptional abilities. After just one session, movements that had caused Robin consistent pain suddenly became pain-free, bringing her to tears. "She took pain away that I've had for so long," Robin shares, underscoring the transformative potential of skilled bodywork.
What truly sets Amanda apart is her commitment to customization—she listens deeply and adapts her approach to each client's specific needs rather than providing generic treatments. "Deep tissue doesn't mean deep pressure," she notes, explaining how technique matters more than force in creating lasting change.
Ready to experience relief from chronic pain or discover what your body has been trying to tell you? Amanda is offering podcast listeners a bonus 10 minutes on their first session when mentioning Spandex and Wine. Because as Robin so powerfully states, "Body work is not a treat. It is a tool to help keep you healthy and happy."
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello and welcome to the Spandex and Wine podcast.
I'm your host, robin Hackney,and I'm so happy that you're
here.
This podcast is a place forconversations about balancing a
healthy lifestyle and beinghappy more specifically, happy
hour.
Together we'll explore allthings wellness and wine.
I hope you learn a little,laugh a lot and, along the way,
(00:22):
know you're not alone on thisbalanced wellness journey.
Ready to jump in, poursomething in your glass that
makes you happy, because it'stime for spandex and wine.
Hey guys, it's Robin.
Thanks for coming back to thepodcast.
I am looking out the windowwatching my chickens, but that's
(00:42):
not why I'm looking out thewindow.
It is a gorgeous day out.
I can't wait till I'm doneediting this episode so I can go
take a walk, and I hope thatyou are able to get out, get
some sunshine, take a few deepbreaths.
If nothing else, if you can'ttake a walk or if it's not
beautiful where you are, I hopeit is Okay, that's not where I
was going.
I tend to do that.
It's been really bad this week,right, but at least I've had
(01:04):
better sleep.
Tuesday's episode oh my gosh,you guys.
I went to bed at eight o'clockthat night and that was a
struggle to stay awake that long, but anyway.
So I've said before, there areangels that live among us, and I
met one recently.
A daughter of one of my clientsconnected me with Amanda
Hansinger.
Amanda is a massage therapistand I have to admit that when
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the daughter connected us I waskind of like, eh, I have a
massage therapist that I useoccasionally, but I'll at least
have her on the podcast.
So we scheduled a time for aZoom call, like I do for all of
my interviews, and you'll hearthat conversation here in just a
little bit.
But I wanted to tell you myexperience.
I thought I would save it forthe outro, but I think it needs
to be done here before you hearthe conversation.
(01:48):
Amanda is amazing, spectaculareven.
I am not even sure what thebest adjective would be to
describe her.
She has a gift that I didn'tknow existed.
So five days after our Zoomcall for the interview, I went
for a massage and again I waslike well, I'd like to support
her, so I'll go once.
I mean seriously, you guys onthe drive over, I had it in my
(02:10):
head Okay, this is too far todrive, I'm going to go for this
one and then I'll be done.
It was an experience like noother.
Number one she is not just amassage therapist.
She did quite a bit of fasciawork with her fascia blaster and
it hurt like a son of a biscuit, let me just tell you.
But that's okay, I'm okay.
I like the deep tissue and Ilike the deep pressure.
(02:31):
She also did a few stretches,which I didn't think is typical
in most massage therapy sessions.
But then she also had me dosome exercises, not like squats
or anything weird like that, butisometric holds and movements
while she was applying pressure.
I'm not doing the experiencejustice.
Words are not enough because,number two, I cried After the
(02:52):
session.
She left me in the room alone toget dressed as they should and
I lifted my legs, one at a time,of course, into my leggings and
I had no pain.
That has been a movement thathas been painful for me.
So when I lift one leg at atime, my tailbone just shoots
pain in my butt and my hips andmy back, and it wasn't there.
I opened the door and she askedhow I felt and I started crying
(03:16):
while I was telling her howwonderful I felt.
I wasn't expecting that shetook pain away that I've had for
so long, and I've even gone toa couple chiropractors which I
still love chiropractors, by theway.
But in a nutshell, if you livein the Kansas City area, please
schedule at least oneappointment with her to try her
out.
I'm guessing you'll bookanother.
(03:37):
I have and I will go monthlyfrom now on.
It'll be in my normal routine.
Okay, here's our conversation,with a few internet glitches,
unfortunately, which is probablywhy I felt the need to share my
thoughts ahead of time.
I wanted you to hear this first, so reach out to me if you want
her contact info, but it's alsoin this week's newsletter and
I'll make sure that I share itin the show notes.
(03:58):
Here is Amanda.
Amanda, welcome to the Spandexand Wine podcast.
How are you today?
I'm well.
How are you Robin?
I am great.
I am loving the sunshine.
It has made a world ofdifference.
I'm hoping that the winter isbehind us and we just get
sunshine from here on out.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Yes, agreed yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
So we have a mutual friend in Shannon Actually, I
know her mom better than I knowher, but I'm so glad that she
introduced us.
So, yeah, so tell me more aboutwhat you do, amanda.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
So I am a massage therapist and I've been a
therapist for 25 years.
I do deep tissue, I docraniosacral, I do just
relaxation, but I've been atherapist for 25 years.
So there's so many modalitiesout there and we just take
(05:02):
whatever continuing educationclasses that we choose and I
just happen to really focus inon fascia work.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
So yeah, so explain to everyone what that means.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
So fascia is connective tissue and it is what
connects our skin to the muscle, the muscle to the bone, and it
lives under the skin with thelymphatic system.
So it's living and it'sfluid-like, and if it gets
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congested, or I see what'sanother good word.
Like sticky or tacky or juststuck, sticky, tacky, stuck,
then I'm able to get in thereand just kind of and it'll cause
pain, you know.
So, when it so, if it's all,it's like a netting over your
(05:59):
whole system.
So let's say, up here in theshoulder it gets stuck and it
kind of pulls like a imaginelike your shirt when it gets
squished up like this, it'sgoing to pull on all of the
fascia system.
So now you're hurting down hereand you're hurting down here,
but the issues up here, yeah, tojust stretch all that out and
(06:30):
do some fascia blasting and somemyofascial release and kind of
get that unstuck so that it canall just smooth out and have
less pain and more range ofmotion.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Well, let me ask you this so can that be resolved in
just one session, or is itsomething where you feel like
you need to see someone multipletimes?
Speaker 2 (06:48):
It's definitely depends a person on person, in
person, like what do you do fora living, what do you do in the
gym?
It depends on how stuck you'vebeen and how long you've been
that stuck.
So I tell my clients, fourweeks is maintenance.
(07:08):
So what we do today in fourweeks we will maintain what we
did today.
If you have a lot going on andyou need more than one session
to progress, I suggest doing itbefore the four weeks.
So I tell my client, let's do it, let's start next week, let's
(07:28):
let's do a second one next week,see how you feel, journal, how
you feel, um, and when you comeback you let me know.
And if your body feels great,let's go out two weeks.
We want to find that sweet spot.
So, um, let's say you come backin two weeks.
You're like, oh, I'm still.
You know, I felt really greatthe first four or five days, but
(07:50):
now it's been two weeks and I'msore again.
Okay, well, let's go back to aweek and see what happens.
Or a week and a half and seewhat happens.
And then eventually it'llprogress and progress and get
better and get better.
And then we try to stretch itout to that four week
maintenance and.
But there are some people whojust have really hard manual
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labor jobs or they work out alot in the gym and they just
need to have their sweet spotmight be two weeks, you know.
So they need to.
They may need to come in everytwo weeks.
So it's different for everybodyand I like to try to teach my
clients how to listen to theirbody so that they can tell me
(08:34):
what their body needs.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
So sure, and that I mean that in itself is a little
bit of education, because people, you know, sometimes aren't so
in out of touch with theirbodies, they have no idea what's
going on.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, andyou mentioned people with, you
know, hard physical labor jobs,and maybe the session has to be
a little more intense.
But I also feel like peoplethat haven't dealt with some
(08:58):
issues or trauma, a lot of itgets trapped in the body as well
.
So I'm sure you see that andpeople probably get emotional.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Absolutely so.
I actually I have like thissecond little thing happening on
the side.
I have started taking classesfor story work.
It's called story work.
I want to be a story work coach, so that's dealing with
childhood trauma and meetingpeople who had childhood trauma
(09:30):
with compassion and care andlove in their story and helping
them to go back and kind ofreparent that childhood trauma,
that child, that in thatchildhood trauma.
You know the trauma, you know.
(09:52):
So I feel like it goes hand inhand with massage.
I'm pretty sure that I'm notgoing to be able to do massage
therapy for my whole life.
Yeah, that's got to be hard.
Yeah, 25 years in, and inschool they said plan on this
being just a five to seven yearcareer, plan on this being just
a five to seven year career.
So I beat the system.
Yeah, so eventually I willprobably, you know, go, I will
(10:12):
probably do more trauma care,and saying that I've also
started what's calledcraniosacral.
I don't know if you've heard ofthat, but it actually.
It actually deals with thenervous system, and so I've been
practicing craniosacral withinmy practice now for about six
(10:33):
months.
I'm getting ready to take offin May to do craniosacral two
and then I will do SCR one,which is somatics, and SCR two,
so we'll also be dealing.
So, as we work the body, we'realso going to be able to
regulate the nervous system andjust have an overall calm and
(10:54):
then actually kind of deal withsome of that trauma that we've
been holding in our body Forsure.
So you know, I started noticingthat a lot like a lot of my
clients that come in and theyhave fibromyalgia and they have
just a lot of pain in their lowback or a lot of pain in their
neck.
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(11:57):
physical abuse, some sort oftrauma, and I'm going to guess
between I'm going to guess about90% of my clients have had some
sort of have said yes when I'veasked them yes, I've had some
physical abuse or sexual abuseor that sort of thing.
So, as the years have gone on,I'm like you know, I want to
(12:19):
figure this out, like I want tohelp these ladies and gentlemen.
I want to help them releasethat trauma out of their body
because they've been livingtheir whole lives with this pain
.
And so now I'm on this, 25years into my career, I'm on
this whole new journey to helpthem, my body, mind and spirit
(12:45):
really you know, right.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
So yeah, and when you get someone that comes in, can
you kind of just sense fromtheir energy someone that comes
in, can you kind of just sensefrom their energy what they're
needing that day, or can youtell more about them that
probably they don't even know?
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Yeah, hang one second , sally.
Come, this little lady righthere Come on, oh, this little
lady right here is really goodat sensing.
No, she's not little, but shegood at sensing.
No, she's not little, but she,she is a she's a therapy dog and
so she is also helps me in myoffice and she very much could
tell when my clients, when theywalk in, she knows and she
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especially if, if they'redealing with a lot of stuff, she
will just come right in and andlove on them and they love it.
So and then sometimes, if theydon't just go right in and and
love on them and they love it.
So, and then sometimes if theydon't just go over in the corner
and lay down if you don't needme, I'll go lay down.
That is awesome at me.
She says I know, look at her,she's adorable.
So this is Dolly.
(13:50):
Hey, dolly, yes, yes, um, I,yeah, I usually can tell it
pretty quickly and I'll ask afew questions.
But I can also tell when peopledon't really want to open up
and that that's huge and and itmight take a few sessions before
um, I ask the right questionand they feel safe enough to
(14:14):
open up and talk about it.
So I did do a cranial sacralsession today.
She was a new walk-in clientyesterday and I was able to
happen to have a cancellationtoday, so I was able to get her
in and we had a beautifulsession and she, you know,
wrapped up telling me all thethings that were going on.
I was like, oh my goodness, youhave so much trauma stored in
(14:35):
your body and we just did a10-step protocol and she's been
having ocular migraines.
And she came off my tablesaying, I don't know, I feel
amazing.
Thank you so much.
And she's already rescheduledher next appointment.
So we did talk about, so we diddo a little bit of talking and
(14:57):
coaching, but not a whole lot,because I try to keep that a
little bit more separate.
But I was able to guide her tosome podcasts that would be
really helpful for her and andsome supplements that would help
her sleep a little bit.
And you know not that, not thatI'm a doctor or a nutritionist
or anything like that, but andyou know not that, not that I'm
a doctor or a nutritionist oranything like that, but I have,
(15:17):
you know, some tools in mytoolbox to share.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Yeah, yeah, oh gosh.
You know, I feel the same aboutmy job too.
I mean, I feel like a lot of itis, you know, therapy for
people too.
Like I hear so much in mysessions with my clients.
So, yeah, I understand whatyou're saying and I would think
even more so with you becausethey're they don't have their
clothes on it's a little morevulnerable.
It is very vulnerable.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
So I try not to hone in too much on the on their
inner stuff.
At first, you know I let my.
I tell my clients, you know,just undress to your comfort
level.
You know, if you don't feelcomfortable, you know leave.
You know leave whatever youfeel like you need to leave on
on and when you get comfortableyou'll you'll know when it's
(16:04):
time.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
So yeah, yeah.
Well, and I think that Shannonsaid that you recently had a
move, so are you new to the?
Speaker 2 (16:14):
area that you're in now I am.
So my mom my mom has kidneydisease and I felt like I needed
to be closer to home and mykids live this down this
direction.
So where I was before, I wasthree hours away from my mom.
My daughter had had a head-oncollision and it took me three
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hours to get to her and to thehospital and I was just like,
okay, no, this is enough, I'vegot to be closer to my family.
So I moved to Belton, missouri,which is, I think, about 20
minutes from you.
20, 25 minutes from you.
Yeah, probably about 25,.
Yeah, yeah, something about 25.
Yeah, yeah, something like that.
So, um, I moved here last Mayand, um, it's, it's, it's been a
(17:02):
good move.
I'm going, I see my mom nowevery two weeks, I go down and
clean her house and get my eyeson her and we chat and, um,
dolly's having time.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Come on, Dolly, you can get on the show too.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
But so yeah.
So now I'm closer to my mom andI'm closer to the kids, and I
never thought that at the age of53 that I would start over my
business, but here.
I am, and that's okay, becauseit's okay, cause it's a good
move and yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
So, it's.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
It's funny.
People ask me one question.
People ask me did you alwaysknow you were going to be a
massage therapist?
I'm like, oh, no, no.
When I was a little girl, mymom used to make me rubber feet
Eight minutes, okay, she did notwant to rub her feet.
And so it's funny how I started.
I literally fell into massage.
(17:59):
Okay, I had two babies three anda half and one three and a half
years old, and one and I wasworking in a resort as a
bartender and I was serving thegolf players, and so in the
mornings they would come in anddo breakfast and coffee and then
they'd go play golf and comeback and drink beer and eat
lunch, and so every morning thislady would come in and get a
(18:24):
donut and coffee, and she wasthe owner of the beauty shop
there in the resort.
And so one day, you know, wekind of got to talking every
morning, you know we kind of gotto know each other, and she's
like have you ever thought aboutbeing a massage therapist?
And I was like, no, don't youhave to go to school for that.
She goes, oh no, not inOklahoma, you don't have to go
to school, but my husband is theowner at the spa.
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You should go talk to him.
I was like, oh, okay, well, itwon't hurt, you know.
So when I talked to him andhe's like, yeah, and he tells me
what he starts out pay andstuff I was like, oh my gosh,
that's weight plus tips.
I was like, oh, that's way morethan what I'm making now.
And so I, in Oklahoma, backthen, 25 years ago, you could
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just work under a mastertherapist and they could train
you and you could work.
So my training, my training,consisted of getting lots of
massages, giving lots ofmassages, watching some massages
and getting a bunch of moremassages.
And it was glorious, soundsgood to me.
I've never had a professionalmassage in my whole life
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professional massage in my wholelife.
So, um, so he hired me and Ipassed the test.
The test was giving his wife amassage and if I passed her her
expectations then I I could goon the floor.
And so I did, and and fromthere I fell in love with it.
And, uh, then I moved to Kansas.
Kansas, I didn't have to have alicense.
I did take a lot of continuingeducation classes during that.
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It was 17 years that I was notlicensed, but I took a lot of
continuing education classesjust so I could become a better
therapist.
And then I moved to Missouriand found out I can't work
unless I go to school.
I was like, well, can I justtest out, can I just go take the
test?
And they're like oh, no, no, no, you have to go through the
(20:23):
school.
You have to pay the $17,000 togo to school.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Oh my gosh, that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
So, 17 years into my career, I went to school, got a
4.0 GPA and scored off thecharts on the MBLEX test, which
is the state test that you haveto take to become a therapist.
So, 17 years into my career, Iwent to school and became a bona
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fide licensed massage therapist.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Awesome, awesome, and I know it's so hard to start
over.
I can't believe that you'rehaving to start over.
That's, that's tough.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Yeah, yeah, yeah it is.
I just joined the Chamber ofCommerce in Belton, and so a
shout out to them and justtrying to do some things to help
get my name out there and bringpeople in yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Well, I'm excited that I'm going to be able to
share this podcast and hopefullyget some customers for you out
your way.
Yeah, that would be great, yes,yeah.
So, amanda, what would you sayis a little bit different about
your services, that maybe mightbe different from another
massage therapist?
Speaker 2 (21:40):
You know, I'm glad you asked that, because I asked
some of my clients, becausesomeone else asked me that and I
didn't know how to answer it.
Yeah, and so, according to myclients, they say that I focus
on the things that hurt theminstead of like just coming in
and doing it all over.
Okay, makes sense A lot of timesyou go in and they ask you
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what's the issue, but they don'tactually focus on the issue.
They just still do a full bodyrelaxation.
They might do a little morepressure if you ask for deep
tissue, but deep tissue doesn'tmean deep pressure.
Deep tissue is actually atechnique and you can do deep
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tissue with light, medium ordeep pressure, okay, so deep
tissue doesn't have to hurt.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Okay, I didn't realize that, all right.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Yeah, deep tissue doesn't have to hurt.
Okay, I didn't realize that.
All right, deep tissue doesn'thave to hurt.
You can come and do deep tissueand do light, and then the next
time you might come in and domedium and then your next
appointment you might want tostart doing some deeper, just to
get in, you know, to the deeperlayers.
Yeah, but, um, it takes it's alittle bit slower, uh
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progression to do the light andmedium.
But also I think that somemassage therapists go so deep
that the body just tenses up andyour body just fights it
instead of receiving it.
You know, yeah, so, um, so myclients say that that was one of
the things that they said.
(23:16):
Like you listen to me and youknow, you know your anatomy, you
know your physiology and youknow how the muscles work.
So when I say I hurt here butyou work back here and here, but
not all therapists know to dothat.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Right.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
So um.
So there's that I would say.
What else did they say?
I can't remember.
I should have took notes onwhat they told me.
That's okay.
That's okay, and I think that'sthe biggest thing is like you
listen to what I want and youprovide me what my body needs
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and not just an overall.
And it's not the same massageevery time you come in and not
just an overall, and it's notthe same massage every time you
come in.
So a lot of times it's like acookie cutter.
You kind of get in this flow.
In fact, when you're in schoolthey say find your flow and you
get this like you do this safe.
But the time you're done withschool, you're doing the same
thing to every client becauseyou just that's good to help you
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figure out your timing andstuff.
But once you're out of school,you need to ditch that right and
find you know, focus on yourclimate and and do you know so
every, every time, every timeyou come in, it's not going to
be the same thing.
It's not.
I'm not going to go at it likeI'm still hurting right here,
okay, well, let's try somethingelse.
(24:43):
You have seven muscles in thatrotator cuff.
Let's, you know, let's work atall.
Let's work the pecs.
Let's work your teres, majorand minor.
Let's work the supraspinatusand infraspinatus.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Let's just loosen up that whole, all the muscles that
make up that rotator cuff, andsee if, what we can, you know,
see if we can't get some morerange of motion, and so I think,
just finding what the issue isand getting to the, getting to
the core of it to fix it,instead of just make it feel
good for a couple of days Sure,yeah, no, that makes sense.
And going back to Dolly, sinceDolly's there in the office with
you, I'm curious do you do anypet massage therapy?
Speaker 2 (25:24):
I haven't.
Dolly gets massages.
Okay, you know, if someone hadan issue with their dog and they
wanted a massage, I would do it.
But no, I don't, I haven't.
But Dolly does get massages,don't you, dolly?
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Well, she should Look at her.
That's awesome.
So, amanda, how can thelisteners find you?
Speaker 2 (25:48):
that's awesome.
So, amanda, how can thelisteners find you?
So, um, so my website is beingbuilt at the moment.
I did just hire a virtualassistant, so, um, I was hoping
it would be done by today sothat it would be up and running
and I could share that, but it'snot ready yet.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
So, um, right now maybe by the time this goes out.
When it goes out, you have itdone and I'll put it in the show
notes yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Okay, That'd be great .
And then so you can go onFacebook under Southern Comfort
Therapeutic Massage, and at thetop there's a link that says
SoCo Jane app.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
That is a link that you can press to book online
Perfect yeah, perfect yeah, yeah, well, I'll make sure I put
that link in the show notes too.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
I will.
Yeah, I'll send that link toyou as well and you can hook
that in there.
And then, as soon as I get thatmy website built, I will.
Once I get that, I'll send thatto you as well.
Yeah, please do.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Is there anything else you'd want to share?
I think so, okay.
Well, I appreciate you hoppingon, that's so kind of you and I
apologize for the internetissues.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Oh, that's okay, it's not your fault.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
All right.
Well, thank you, and I hope toget in soon with you.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Yeah, and I was going to say I'm looking forward to.
I want to touch base and findout what your class schedule is.
I'd love to come in and takeone of your classes as well.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Nice, that would be fun.
We would love to have you.
Yeah, I'd love it.
Okay, great, that'd be fun.
Yes, well, again, amanda, thankyou so much.
Thank you, you have a fantasticweek, you too.
Amanda is now in my favoriteperson circle.
She is offering all of you abonus 10 minutes on your first
(27:35):
session at no additional charge.
When you mention Spandex andWine podcast, she will fill up
and be harder and harder to getinto, so go do it now.
As I'm recording this, I havefour clients today alone that
have appointments with her.
The link is in the show notes,it is in this week's newsletter,
but I am also happy to send itto you.
You can email me at info atspandexandwinecom.
You can text me 913-392-2877.
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You deserve to feel relief andnot live in pain.
Body work is not a treat.
In my opinion, it is a tool tohelp keep you healthy and happy.
Thank you, amanda, for takingtime to be on the show, and
thank you so much for helping meand many others feel better.
Thank you for listening.
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Thank you.
Hello and welcome to the Spandex and Wine podcast.
I'm your host, robin Hackney,and I'm so happy that you're
here.
This podcast is a place forconversations about balancing a
healthy lifestyle and beinghappy more specifically, happy
hour.
Together we'll explore allthings wellness and wine.
I hope you learn a little,laugh a lot and, along the way,
(00:22):
know you're not alone on thisbalanced wellness journey.
Ready to jump in, poursomething in your glass that
makes you happy, because it'stime for spandex and wine.
Hey guys, it's Robin.
Thanks for coming back to thepodcast.
I am looking out the windowwatching my chickens, but that's
(00:42):
not why I'm looking out thewindow.
It is a gorgeous day out.
I can't wait till I'm doneediting this episode so I can go
take a walk, and I hope thatyou are able to get out, get
some sunshine, take a few deepbreaths.
If nothing else, if you can'ttake a walk or if it's not
beautiful where you are, I hopeit is Okay, that's not where I
was going.
I tend to do that.
It's been really bad this week,right, but at least I've had
(01:04):
better sleep.
Tuesday's episode oh my gosh,you guys.
I went to bed at eight o'clockthat night and that was a
struggle to stay awake that long, but anyway.
So I've said before, there areangels that live among us, and I
met one recently.
A daughter of one of my clientsconnected me with Amanda
Hansinger.
Amanda is a massage therapistand I have to admit that when
(01:26):
the daughter connected us I waskind of like, eh, I have a
massage therapist that I useoccasionally, but I'll at least
have her on the podcast.
So we scheduled a time for aZoom call, like I do for all of
my interviews, and you'll hearthat conversation here in just a
little bit.
But I wanted to tell you myexperience.
I thought I would save it forthe outro, but I think it needs
to be done here before you hearthe conversation.
(01:48):
Amanda is amazing, spectaculareven.
I am not even sure what thebest adjective would be to
describe her.
She has a gift that I didn'tknow existed.
So five days after our Zoomcall for the interview, I went
for a massage and again I waslike well, I'd like to support
her, so I'll go once.
I mean seriously, you guys onthe drive over, I had it in my
(02:10):
head Okay, this is too far todrive, I'm going to go for this
one and then I'll be done.
It was an experience like noother.
Number one she is not just amassage therapist.
She did quite a bit of fasciawork with her fascia blaster and
it hurt like a son of a biscuit, let me just tell you.
But that's okay, I'm okay.
I like the deep tissue and Ilike the deep pressure.
(02:31):
She also did a few stretches,which I didn't think is typical
in most massage therapy sessions.
But then she also had me dosome exercises, not like squats
or anything weird like that, butisometric holds and movements
while she was applying pressure.
I'm not doing the experiencejustice.
Words are not enough because,number two, I cried After the
(02:52):
session.
She left me in the room alone toget dressed as they should and
I lifted my legs, one at a time,of course, into my leggings and
I had no pain.
That has been a movement thathas been painful for me.
So when I lift one leg at atime, my tailbone just shoots
pain in my butt and my hips andmy back, and it wasn't there.
I opened the door and she askedhow I felt and I started crying
(03:16):
while I was telling her howwonderful I felt.
I wasn't expecting that shetook pain away that I've had for
so long, and I've even gone toa couple chiropractors which I
still love chiropractors, by theway.
But in a nutshell, if you livein the Kansas City area, please
schedule at least oneappointment with her to try her
out.
I'm guessing you'll bookanother.
(03:37):
I have and I will go monthlyfrom now on.
It'll be in my normal routine.
Okay, here's our conversation,with a few internet glitches,
unfortunately, which is probablywhy I felt the need to share my
thoughts ahead of time.
I wanted you to hear this first, so reach out to me if you want
her contact info, but it's alsoin this week's newsletter and
I'll make sure that I share itin the show notes.
(03:58):
Here is Amanda.
Amanda, welcome to the Spandexand Wine podcast.
How are you today?
I'm well.
How are you Robin?
I am great.
I am loving the sunshine.
It has made a world ofdifference.
I'm hoping that the winter isbehind us and we just get
sunshine from here on out.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Yes, agreed yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
So we have a mutual friend in Shannon Actually, I
know her mom better than I knowher, but I'm so glad that she
introduced us.
So, yeah, so tell me more aboutwhat you do, amanda.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
So I am a massage therapist and I've been a
therapist for 25 years.
I do deep tissue, I docraniosacral, I do just
relaxation, but I've been atherapist for 25 years.
So there's so many modalitiesout there and we just take
(05:02):
whatever continuing educationclasses that we choose and I
just happen to really focus inon fascia work.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
So yeah, so explain to everyone what that means.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
So fascia is connective tissue and it is what
connects our skin to the muscle, the muscle to the bone, and it
lives under the skin with thelymphatic system.
So it's living and it'sfluid-like, and if it gets
(05:38):
congested, or I see what'sanother good word.
Like sticky or tacky or juststuck, sticky, tacky, stuck,
then I'm able to get in thereand just kind of and it'll cause
pain, you know.
So, when it so, if it's all,it's like a netting over your
(05:59):
whole system.
So let's say, up here in theshoulder it gets stuck and it
kind of pulls like a imaginelike your shirt when it gets
squished up like this, it'sgoing to pull on all of the
fascia system.
So now you're hurting down hereand you're hurting down here,
but the issues up here, yeah, tojust stretch all that out and
(06:30):
do some fascia blasting and somemyofascial release and kind of
get that unstuck so that it canall just smooth out and have
less pain and more range ofmotion.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Well, let me ask you this so can that be resolved in
just one session, or is itsomething where you feel like
you need to see someone multipletimes?
Speaker 2 (06:48):
It's definitely depends a person on person, in
person, like what do you do fora living, what do you do in the
gym?
It depends on how stuck you'vebeen and how long you've been
that stuck.
So I tell my clients, fourweeks is maintenance.
(07:08):
So what we do today in fourweeks we will maintain what we
did today.
If you have a lot going on andyou need more than one session
to progress, I suggest doing itbefore the four weeks.
So I tell my client, let's do it, let's start next week, let's
(07:28):
let's do a second one next week,see how you feel, journal, how
you feel, um, and when you comeback you let me know.
And if your body feels great,let's go out two weeks.
We want to find that sweet spot.
So, um, let's say you come backin two weeks.
You're like, oh, I'm still.
You know, I felt really greatthe first four or five days, but
(07:50):
now it's been two weeks and I'msore again.
Okay, well, let's go back to aweek and see what happens.
Or a week and a half and seewhat happens.
And then eventually it'llprogress and progress and get
better and get better.
And then we try to stretch itout to that four week
maintenance and.
But there are some people whojust have really hard manual
(08:12):
labor jobs or they work out alot in the gym and they just
need to have their sweet spotmight be two weeks, you know.
So they need to.
They may need to come in everytwo weeks.
So it's different for everybodyand I like to try to teach my
clients how to listen to theirbody so that they can tell me
(08:34):
what their body needs.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
So sure, and that I mean that in itself is a little
bit of education, because people, you know, sometimes aren't so
in out of touch with theirbodies, they have no idea what's
going on.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, andyou mentioned people with, you
know, hard physical labor jobs,and maybe the session has to be
a little more intense.
But I also feel like peoplethat haven't dealt with some
(08:58):
issues or trauma, a lot of itgets trapped in the body as well
.
So I'm sure you see that andpeople probably get emotional.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Absolutely so.
I actually I have like thissecond little thing happening on
the side.
I have started taking classesfor story work.
It's called story work.
I want to be a story work coach, so that's dealing with
childhood trauma and meetingpeople who had childhood trauma
(09:30):
with compassion and care andlove in their story and helping
them to go back and kind ofreparent that childhood trauma,
that child, that in thatchildhood trauma.
You know the trauma, you know.
(09:52):
So I feel like it goes hand inhand with massage.
I'm pretty sure that I'm notgoing to be able to do massage
therapy for my whole life.
Yeah, that's got to be hard.
Yeah, 25 years in, and inschool they said plan on this
being just a five to seven yearcareer, plan on this being just
a five to seven year career.
So I beat the system.
Yeah, so eventually I willprobably, you know, go, I will
(10:12):
probably do more trauma care,and saying that I've also
started what's calledcraniosacral.
I don't know if you've heard ofthat, but it actually.
It actually deals with thenervous system, and so I've been
practicing craniosacral withinmy practice now for about six
(10:33):
months.
I'm getting ready to take offin May to do craniosacral two
and then I will do SCR one,which is somatics, and SCR two,
so we'll also be dealing.
So, as we work the body, we'realso going to be able to
regulate the nervous system andjust have an overall calm and
(10:54):
then actually kind of deal withsome of that trauma that we've
been holding in our body Forsure.
So you know, I started noticingthat a lot like a lot of my
clients that come in and theyhave fibromyalgia and they have
just a lot of pain in their lowback or a lot of pain in their
neck.
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(11:57):
physical abuse, some sort oftrauma, and I'm going to guess
between I'm going to guess about90% of my clients have had some
sort of have said yes when I'veasked them yes, I've had some
physical abuse or sexual abuseor that sort of thing.
So, as the years have gone on,I'm like you know, I want to
(12:19):
figure this out, like I want tohelp these ladies and gentlemen.
I want to help them releasethat trauma out of their body
because they've been livingtheir whole lives with this pain
.
And so now I'm on this, 25years into my career, I'm on
this whole new journey to helpthem, my body, mind and spirit
(12:45):
really you know, right.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
So yeah, and when you get someone that comes in, can
you kind of just sense fromtheir energy someone that comes
in, can you kind of just sensefrom their energy what they're
needing that day, or can youtell more about them that
probably they don't even know?
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Yeah, hang one second , sally.
Come, this little lady righthere Come on, oh, this little
lady right here is really goodat sensing.
No, she's not little, but shegood at sensing.
No, she's not little, but she,she is a she's a therapy dog and
so she is also helps me in myoffice and she very much could
tell when my clients, when theywalk in, she knows and she
(13:27):
especially if, if they'redealing with a lot of stuff, she
will just come right in and andlove on them and they love it.
So and then sometimes, if theydon't just go right in and and
love on them and they love it.
So, and then sometimes if theydon't just go over in the corner
and lay down if you don't needme, I'll go lay down.
That is awesome at me.
She says I know, look at her,she's adorable.
So this is Dolly.
(13:50):
Hey, dolly, yes, yes, um, I,yeah, I usually can tell it
pretty quickly and I'll ask afew questions.
But I can also tell when peopledon't really want to open up
and that that's huge and and itmight take a few sessions before
um, I ask the right questionand they feel safe enough to
(14:14):
open up and talk about it.
So I did do a cranial sacralsession today.
She was a new walk-in clientyesterday and I was able to
happen to have a cancellationtoday, so I was able to get her
in and we had a beautifulsession and she, you know,
wrapped up telling me all thethings that were going on.
I was like, oh my goodness, youhave so much trauma stored in
(14:35):
your body and we just did a10-step protocol and she's been
having ocular migraines.
And she came off my tablesaying, I don't know, I feel
amazing.
Thank you so much.
And she's already rescheduledher next appointment.
So we did talk about, so we diddo a little bit of talking and
(14:57):
coaching, but not a whole lot,because I try to keep that a
little bit more separate.
But I was able to guide her tosome podcasts that would be
really helpful for her and andsome supplements that would help
her sleep a little bit.
And you know not that, not thatI'm a doctor or a nutritionist
or anything like that, but andyou know not that, not that I'm
a doctor or a nutritionist oranything like that, but I have,
(15:17):
you know, some tools in mytoolbox to share.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Yeah, yeah, oh gosh.
You know, I feel the same aboutmy job too.
I mean, I feel like a lot of itis, you know, therapy for
people too.
Like I hear so much in mysessions with my clients.
So, yeah, I understand whatyou're saying and I would think
even more so with you becausethey're they don't have their
clothes on it's a little morevulnerable.
It is very vulnerable.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
So I try not to hone in too much on the on their
inner stuff.
At first, you know I let my.
I tell my clients, you know,just undress to your comfort
level.
You know, if you don't feelcomfortable, you know leave.
You know leave whatever youfeel like you need to leave on
on and when you get comfortableyou'll you'll know when it's
(16:04):
time.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
So yeah, yeah.
Well, and I think that Shannonsaid that you recently had a
move, so are you new to the?
Speaker 2 (16:14):
area that you're in now I am.
So my mom my mom has kidneydisease and I felt like I needed
to be closer to home and mykids live this down this
direction.
So where I was before, I wasthree hours away from my mom.
My daughter had had a head-oncollision and it took me three
(16:37):
hours to get to her and to thehospital and I was just like,
okay, no, this is enough, I'vegot to be closer to my family.
So I moved to Belton, missouri,which is, I think, about 20
minutes from you.
20, 25 minutes from you.
Yeah, probably about 25,.
Yeah, yeah, something about 25.
Yeah, yeah, something like that.
So, um, I moved here last Mayand, um, it's, it's, it's been a
(17:02):
good move.
I'm going, I see my mom nowevery two weeks, I go down and
clean her house and get my eyeson her and we chat and, um,
dolly's having time.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Come on, Dolly, you can get on the show too.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
But so yeah.
So now I'm closer to my mom andI'm closer to the kids, and I
never thought that at the age of53 that I would start over my
business, but here.
I am, and that's okay, becauseit's okay, cause it's a good
move and yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
So, it's.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
It's funny.
People ask me one question.
People ask me did you alwaysknow you were going to be a
massage therapist?
I'm like, oh, no, no.
When I was a little girl, mymom used to make me rubber feet
Eight minutes, okay, she did notwant to rub her feet.
And so it's funny how I started.
I literally fell into massage.
(17:59):
Okay, I had two babies three anda half and one three and a half
years old, and one and I wasworking in a resort as a
bartender and I was serving thegolf players, and so in the
mornings they would come in anddo breakfast and coffee and then
they'd go play golf and comeback and drink beer and eat
lunch, and so every morning thislady would come in and get a
(18:24):
donut and coffee, and she wasthe owner of the beauty shop
there in the resort.
And so one day, you know, wekind of got to talking every
morning, you know we kind of gotto know each other, and she's
like have you ever thought aboutbeing a massage therapist?
And I was like, no, don't youhave to go to school for that.
She goes, oh no, not inOklahoma, you don't have to go
to school, but my husband is theowner at the spa.
(18:46):
You should go talk to him.
I was like, oh, okay, well, itwon't hurt, you know.
So when I talked to him andhe's like, yeah, and he tells me
what he starts out pay andstuff I was like, oh my gosh,
that's weight plus tips.
I was like, oh, that's way morethan what I'm making now.
And so I, in Oklahoma, backthen, 25 years ago, you could
(19:12):
just work under a mastertherapist and they could train
you and you could work.
So my training, my training,consisted of getting lots of
massages, giving lots ofmassages, watching some massages
and getting a bunch of moremassages.
And it was glorious, soundsgood to me.
I've never had a professionalmassage in my whole life
(19:39):
professional massage in my wholelife.
So, um, so he hired me and Ipassed the test.
The test was giving his wife amassage and if I passed her her
expectations then I I could goon the floor.
And so I did, and and fromthere I fell in love with it.
And, uh, then I moved to Kansas.
Kansas, I didn't have to have alicense.
I did take a lot of continuingeducation classes during that.
(20:00):
It was 17 years that I was notlicensed, but I took a lot of
continuing education classesjust so I could become a better
therapist.
And then I moved to Missouriand found out I can't work
unless I go to school.
I was like, well, can I justtest out, can I just go take the
test?
And they're like oh, no, no, no, you have to go through the
(20:23):
school.
You have to pay the $17,000 togo to school.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Oh my gosh, that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
So, 17 years into my career, I went to school, got a
4.0 GPA and scored off thecharts on the MBLEX test, which
is the state test that you haveto take to become a therapist.
So, 17 years into my career, Iwent to school and became a bona
(20:52):
fide licensed massage therapist.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Awesome, awesome, and I know it's so hard to start
over.
I can't believe that you'rehaving to start over.
That's, that's tough.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Yeah, yeah, yeah it is.
I just joined the Chamber ofCommerce in Belton, and so a
shout out to them and justtrying to do some things to help
get my name out there and bringpeople in yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Well, I'm excited that I'm going to be able to
share this podcast and hopefullyget some customers for you out
your way.
Yeah, that would be great, yes,yeah.
So, amanda, what would you sayis a little bit different about
your services, that maybe mightbe different from another
massage therapist?
Speaker 2 (21:40):
You know, I'm glad you asked that, because I asked
some of my clients, becausesomeone else asked me that and I
didn't know how to answer it.
Yeah, and so, according to myclients, they say that I focus
on the things that hurt theminstead of like just coming in
and doing it all over.
Okay, makes sense A lot of timesyou go in and they ask you
(22:03):
what's the issue, but they don'tactually focus on the issue.
They just still do a full bodyrelaxation.
They might do a little morepressure if you ask for deep
tissue, but deep tissue doesn'tmean deep pressure.
Deep tissue is actually atechnique and you can do deep
(22:23):
tissue with light, medium ordeep pressure, okay, so deep
tissue doesn't have to hurt.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Okay, I didn't realize that, all right.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Yeah, deep tissue doesn't have to hurt.
Okay, I didn't realize that.
All right, deep tissue doesn'thave to hurt.
You can come and do deep tissueand do light, and then the next
time you might come in and domedium and then your next
appointment you might want tostart doing some deeper, just to
get in, you know, to the deeperlayers.
Yeah, but, um, it takes it's alittle bit slower, uh
(22:55):
progression to do the light andmedium.
But also I think that somemassage therapists go so deep
that the body just tenses up andyour body just fights it
instead of receiving it.
You know, yeah, so, um, so myclients say that that was one of
the things that they said.
(23:16):
Like you listen to me and youknow, you know your anatomy, you
know your physiology and youknow how the muscles work.
So when I say I hurt here butyou work back here and here, but
not all therapists know to dothat.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Right.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
So um.
So there's that I would say.
What else did they say?
I can't remember.
I should have took notes onwhat they told me.
That's okay.
That's okay, and I think that'sthe biggest thing is like you
listen to what I want and youprovide me what my body needs
(24:01):
and not just an overall.
And it's not the same massageevery time you come in and not
just an overall, and it's notthe same massage every time you
come in.
So a lot of times it's like acookie cutter.
You kind of get in this flow.
In fact, when you're in schoolthey say find your flow and you
get this like you do this safe.
But the time you're done withschool, you're doing the same
thing to every client becauseyou just that's good to help you
(24:22):
figure out your timing andstuff.
But once you're out of school,you need to ditch that right and
find you know, focus on yourclimate and and do you know so
every, every time, every timeyou come in, it's not going to
be the same thing.
It's not.
I'm not going to go at it likeI'm still hurting right here,
okay, well, let's try somethingelse.
(24:43):
You have seven muscles in thatrotator cuff.
Let's, you know, let's work atall.
Let's work the pecs.
Let's work your teres, majorand minor.
Let's work the supraspinatusand infraspinatus.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Let's just loosen up that whole, all the muscles that
make up that rotator cuff, andsee if, what we can, you know,
see if we can't get some morerange of motion, and so I think,
just finding what the issue isand getting to the, getting to
the core of it to fix it,instead of just make it feel
good for a couple of days Sure,yeah, no, that makes sense.
And going back to Dolly, sinceDolly's there in the office with
you, I'm curious do you do anypet massage therapy?
Speaker 2 (25:24):
I haven't.
Dolly gets massages.
Okay, you know, if someone hadan issue with their dog and they
wanted a massage, I would do it.
But no, I don't, I haven't.
But Dolly does get massages,don't you, dolly?
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Well, she should Look at her.
That's awesome.
So, amanda, how can thelisteners find you?
Speaker 2 (25:48):
that's awesome.
So, amanda, how can thelisteners find you?
So, um, so my website is beingbuilt at the moment.
I did just hire a virtualassistant, so, um, I was hoping
it would be done by today sothat it would be up and running
and I could share that, but it'snot ready yet.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
So, um, right now maybe by the time this goes out.
When it goes out, you have itdone and I'll put it in the show
notes yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Okay, That'd be great .
And then so you can go onFacebook under Southern Comfort
Therapeutic Massage, and at thetop there's a link that says
SoCo Jane app.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
That is a link that you can press to book online
Perfect yeah, perfect yeah, yeah, well, I'll make sure I put
that link in the show notes too.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
I will.
Yeah, I'll send that link toyou as well and you can hook
that in there.
And then, as soon as I get thatmy website built, I will.
Once I get that, I'll send thatto you as well.
Yeah, please do.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Is there anything else you'd want to share?
I think so, okay.
Well, I appreciate you hoppingon, that's so kind of you and I
apologize for the internetissues.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Oh, that's okay, it's not your fault.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
All right.
Well, thank you, and I hope toget in soon with you.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Yeah, and I was going to say I'm looking forward to.
I want to touch base and findout what your class schedule is.
I'd love to come in and takeone of your classes as well.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Nice, that would be fun.
We would love to have you.
Yeah, I'd love it.
Okay, great, that'd be fun.
Yes, well, again, amanda, thankyou so much.
Thank you, you have a fantasticweek, you too.
Amanda is now in my favoriteperson circle.
She is offering all of you abonus 10 minutes on your first
(27:35):
session at no additional charge.
When you mention Spandex andWine podcast, she will fill up
and be harder and harder to getinto, so go do it now.
As I'm recording this, I havefour clients today alone that
have appointments with her.
The link is in the show notes,it is in this week's newsletter,
but I am also happy to send itto you.
You can email me at info atspandexandwinecom.
You can text me 913-392-2877.
(28:00):
You deserve to feel relief andnot live in pain.
Body work is not a treat.
In my opinion, it is a tool tohelp keep you healthy and happy.
Thank you, amanda, for takingtime to be on the show, and
thank you so much for helping meand many others feel better.
Thank you for listening.
If you're enjoying this podcast, be sure to follow Spandex Wine
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This is one of the best thingsthat you can do for the podcast.
If you'd also be willing togive a five-star review, that
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the love going, and join theSpandex and Wine community in
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I appreciate you.
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Thank you.
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