E56: “Pride Preview” Divisional Playoffs - Lions vs Commanders (With Command This! Podcast) - Talking Grit: A Detroit Lions Podcast

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Jason Harwood (00:40):
Welcome to talking grit.
I'm Jason Harwood and with me isJacob Litten.
We have arrived at the playoffsafter a week of watching
everyone else play the DetroitLions get to get in the action
this upcoming weekend againstthose Washington commanders to
help us get ready for thismatchup.
We have invited the boys fromthe command this podcast.
It's a very good interview.

(01:02):
You guys are going to love it.
We had a lot of fun talking withthe boys over there.
Special shout out to Tampa tonesfor hooking us up with the boys
over at command.
This probably would not havehappened without him.
So thank you very much.
All right, Jacob, we are here.
We are at the playoffs.
How are you feeling right now?

Jacob (01:18):
I feel great, right?
I mean, at the beginning of theseason, this is what we were
aiming for.
We wanted the one seed, wewanted the playoff at home and
Here we are, man.
It's time to show up.

It's one step in the process, right?
We're now we just need todeliver on the next part of our
promise.
And our next goal that's to getto the NFC championship game.
And it's got to run throughDetroit, like we had talked
about a couple of years ago, allroads roads run through Detroit.
Well, it's, it's true this year.
So before we get into the gamesince the last time we talked,

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the all pro team has beenannounced.
How, how'd we, how'd the lineshow out on that, Jacob?

Jacob (01:55):
Very happy with how the Lions showed out on the all pro
team.
So, starting with Kirby Joseph,first team all pro, somebody
very deserving that we, youknow, we talked about, we're
kind of concerned maybe theywere gonna snub him and, you
know, not give it to him when heneeded it or when he deserved
it.
So that was awesome to see hewas first team.
Then you've got Pena.
So first team, all pro I'm inraw first team punter, Jack Fox,

(02:19):
actually first team, all pro,and then Frank Ragnar made the
second team and Kalief Raymondmade the second team as a punt
return,

Yeah, well deserved.
I'm hoping to see Jameer Gibbson this list in the upcoming
years I don't know if you sawthis about Jack Fox buying the
whole of the punt team.
Everyone got watches and I thinkHogan Hattons was like a 4000
watch.
Jack Fox showing hisappreciation for his team to get
like the highest net puntaverage in the history of the

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NFL throughout the season.

Jacob (02:50):
right?

well

Jacob (02:51):
Awesome.

All right, Jacob, anyone that's looking to come to
the game this weekend thatdoesn't already have tickets
What are they in for here?
What what's what's the secondarymarket looking like?

Jacob (03:03):
Yeah, so the lions and commanders divisional round
matchup is actually the mostexpensive game in NFL history
outside of the Super Bowl.
But any other playoff game, anyother game, this is the most
expensive matchup.
The average get in price rightnow is 991.
You actually, you know, JeremyReisman, pride of Detroit
posted, but you can buy a ticketfor all three other games.

(03:25):
And still, you know, it won'tcost you as much as just the one
ticket getting into the Lion'sGate.

Yeah,

Jacob (03:31):
This city's ready for this.

they are I know a lot of people have said well,
we're pricing out the averagefan and unfortunately that might
be true however people thatknow, doesn't mean that the
stadium isn't going to be lessrowdy.
I really don't believe that atall.
I think that there are fans atevery level, every income level.
And I think just because theticket prices are up, doesn't

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mean that that person's any lessof a fan than someone else.
I, I want everyone to be able toexperience this and think
everyone deserves to be able toexperience this.
And I'm sorry that the ticketprices price some people out,
but, I was at the Minnesotagame.
The ticket prices wereoutrageous for that game too.
And it was loud in there.
And I expect this commander'sgame to be even louder.

Jacob (04:17):
You think Minnesota is going to spend another 2 million
to try to help other fans getin?

Oh my God.

Jacob (04:23):
It's over with.

Yeah, my favorite tweet was afterwards, I was like
did you ever spend 2 million onsomething and instantly regret
it?
Oh God.
the best part about that wasthat, the Minnesota fans were
buying the tickets, at a loss inMinnesota and then reselling
them back on the secondarymarket, probably back to Lions
fans, cheaper than what theywere getting.
And so it just totally backfiredon them.

Jacob (04:48):
The Lions have won for the last five games that we've
played against the commandersdating back to 2013.
But we have played each otherthree times in the postseason,
and the commanders or Redskinshave come out on top every time.
And the most recent was the 1999season, where the Redskins beat
the Lions 13 to 27 inWashington.

(05:09):
And in that game, Gus Peratt wasa starting quarterback for the
Lions.
251 yards, one touchdown and twointerceptions.
Do you have a guess of who theleading rusher was that game

I mean, it was for the lions.

Jacob (05:21):
for the lions?
This was 99.
This was going into 2000

Is it James Stewart

Jacob (05:26):
now.
So I actually, I don't have, ifhe was on the team, but the
leading rusher for that game wasCorey Schlesinger with 23 yards.

fullback?
Oh my

Jacob (05:36):
Yeah, that's not gonna win you meant very many games
the Redskins had Brad Johnson atquarterback Stephen Davis was a
running back.
He had 119 yards and that wasactually champ Bailey's rookie
season in Washington

okay.

Jacob (05:50):
So that's how long ago, you know since we've matched up
in the playoffs,

Yeah.

Jacob (05:54):
but it's time we get one back

I just remember the 91 championship game cause
we were one step away from theSuperbowl, but so let's talk
about this year's team, Jacobimpact players on offense for
the commanders who we got.

Jacob (06:11):
You got to start with the rookie Jaden Daniels, right
quarterback pro football focushas him rated number five out of
44 quarterbacks Then you've gotwide receiver Terry McLaren You
Always consistent, right?
Number 19 on pro football focus.
He was actually a second teamall pro this year and NFL top
100.
He was number 97.
You've got Zach earth, the tightend, pro football focus number

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36.
Then the other running backs,Brian Robinson is actually
right.
Number 31 on pro football focus.
Austin Eckler is rated number 38and Austin Eckler also made
second team all pro as a kickreturner.

Nice.

Jacob (06:46):
They got weapons.

They do on defense.
First, you're going to look attheir linebackers.
They have two all prolinebackers and Bobby Wagner,
who's pro football focus asrated as the best linebacker in
the league is also the NFL top100 number 59, and you got
Frankie Lou Vu, their otherlinebacker PFF has them ranked
28th and the linebacker, butboth of them are second team.

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All pro you got Jonathan Allenup front, defensive tackle.
we got a guy that both Jacob andI are very familiar with Mike
Sandra still out of Michigan.
their number one corner probablyright now.
I know Marshawn Lattimore isalso on the team.
And if he's fully healthy, he'sprobably the number one
cornerback probably going intonext season.

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He's going to be their numberone cornerback.

Jacob (07:31):
Silence.

the last couple, a couple of weeks, just come
back from that hamstring injury.
Sandra stills ranked 54.
Out of 117 quarterbacks, whereasMarshawn Lattimore's behind him,
actually at 72.

Jacob (07:47):
And and

Again, we root for Michigan players, but not
this week.
We're hoping that Mike Sandersongets blown up.
All right, Jacob.
Commanders are 12 and five thisseason, second in the NFC East.
But interesting set that wefound is how are they fair
against playoff teams?

Jacob (08:12):
Yeah, 12 and 5 great year for the commanders, but you
know, counting if we're justgoing off the playoff teams,
they are 1 and 4 in the regularseason against teams that made
the playoffs.
They lost the Buccaneers.
They lost to the Ravens lostSteelers, lost to the Eagles,
and then they actually did beatthe Eagles later that season.
So they're 1 and 4.
I mean, you're with the win lastweek, you're going to say 2 and

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4 against playoff teams.
So.
Good year, but I mean maybepossibly a little bit skewed not
performing as much against thebetter teams,

I will say the caveat of them winning the one
game was that's when Jalen Hurtsgot hurt and Kenny Pickett came
in and they won in a close game.
So we'll see.
I mean, the lions are definitelya playoff team.
Number one seed.
This is going to, I mean, therate, they did play the Ravens,
but this is going to

Jacob (09:03):
and they played the Ravens close.

Yep.

Jacob (09:05):
So, I mean, this is going to be another big test.

It definitely, definitely but commanders might
be down some people.
What does their injury reportlook like, Jacob?

Jacob (09:16):
They have quite a few people on their injury report.
A few of these are just listedas rest.
So, I mean, wide receiver,Jamison Crowder, Zach Ertz,
Cleland Farrell Dante Fowler.
Those are all just players thatdid not practice due to rest,
but the bigger names that didn'tpractice are going to be
linebacker Bobby Wagner battlingan ankle injury, and then the
other linebacker who Presumablywould take his spot.

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Jordan McGee also did notpractice.
So that's not good for theirlinebackers being down for them.
You know, it sounds good for us.

Yeah, they've also the kicker is.
maybe just hitting the doykenone off the post, it probably
bruised his ego a little bit,but apparently he's got a hip
injury too.
And maybe maybe Jake Bates couldteach him that the stretch moves

Jacob (10:01):
Yes.

is on

Jacob (10:01):
We'll loan him his softball.

All right.
I don't know if you saw this,but Jerome Payne had a finger
injury and it looked prettygruesome.
I don't know if you saw any ofthis Jacob,

Jacob (10:13):
I actually did not.

He dislocated his finger in the last game, and
apparently they could not re,they had to, they couldn't get
it back into place on thesideline, so it looked pretty
gruesome he's been limited inpractice, it's a playoff game,
my bet is that he's gonna play,but Yeah, that's probably going
to affect his play, but they'vehad a few more Marshall and
Lattimore still dealing with thehamstring.

(10:35):
There are other linebacker,Frankie Lou Vu has a shoulder
injury, but both those guyspractice in full.
How about the Lions?
How are we looking over there,Jacob?

Jacob (10:45):
So for the Lions, good news, David Montgomery and Terry
and Arnold both got in fullpractices and it's rake straw
still did not practice.
You know, he's had thehamstring, but actually they're
calling it due to illness.
Pat O'Connor did not practice.
Calf injury doesn't sound goodfor him.
And then Kevin Zeitler did notpractice.
Hamstring injury.
We've heard that, you know, hewas working with trainers on the

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side.
So Don't really know for sureabout the site layer if he
doesn't play obviously we've gotChristian mahogany is gonna slot
in the other player that showedup on the report that did not
practice as taylor decker Butthat is not injury related.
It's due to personal reasons AndI know I don't know if you saw
this.
I saw online that his wife Iguess, is pregnant and is due
this month So they're presumingthat maybe, maybe she's in labor

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right now.
Maybe he's about to have a baby.
So he did not practice, but Idon't think it's going to affect
his game availability.

Yeah.
I know he's a big family man.
I hope that, he doesn't missany.
Any important stuff with thebirth of their

Jacob (11:45):
Right?
Right.

Let's get into, before we get into the
interview, Jacob, let's do therankings.
Right now at commanders PFF hasthem ranked 20th overall and
offense is ranked 15th.
However, they are fifth in theleague and points scored.
They're 7th in the league inyards per game average 17th at
passing and third in rushing.

(12:08):
The rushing stats are due totheir dynamic quarterback, Jaden
Russell, or Jaden Daniels.
How are they looking on defense?

Jacob (12:15):
Defense.
Not as good as the offense.
Pro football focus has themrated 29th.
They have a lot of the 18th mostpoints, 13th most yards.
They're passing defense actuallyis ranks in the top three.
They're third in terms of yardsper game, but they're rushing
defenses ranked 30th.
Which is not what you want tohear.
If you're a commander's fan,when you're about to play David

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Montgomery and Jameer Gibbs.

Exactly.
Yeah.
All right.
I think it's time we're going tohit this interview.
We had A lot of fun talking tothe boys.
I commit from the command, thispodcast Steve and Dev were, were
great dudes.
So check that out.
If you're listening to this onThursday morning, we're going to
be on their YouTube live streamtonight, Thursday night at eight

(12:58):
35.
If you're listening to thisafter eight 30.
835 on Thursday.
We're going to, I'm sure they'regoing to have it posted.
So you could check us out overthere.
We're going to talk about ourlion stuff.
So you get more lion stock justin a different they'll have the
commander spin on that, but youcould kind of hear what we have
to say over there.
So hope you guys enjoy this andwe'll see you after the break.

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I want to welcome these two guysto the Talking Grid show.
We're blessed to have them onthe show.
We have Steve and Dev from theCommand This podcast.
Super

@Hello_Im_Dev (13:56):
Hello, hello.

these guys on here.
Tampa tones hooked us up.
We're in good hands.
We've been talking with theseguys for 15 minutes before the
show, and I already feelcomfortable enough with them.
How are you guys doing today?
You guys super excited for theSaturday matchup?

Steve / Command This! Podcas (14:11):
So excited, dude.
I'm just happy to be here.
You know, like we're,

Jacob (14:14):
Yeah.

Steve / Command This! Pod (14:15):
we're in year one of a rebuild or a re
retooling, whateverrecalibration as Dan Quinn and
Adam Peters were say, but, sowe're just happy to be here, be
here, man.
Win, lose or draw.
I mean, it's just.
We're just along for the ride.
Happy to be here.
Thanks for having us.

Yeah.
Oh, you're welcome.
First question.
I'm going to, I'm going to askyou, Dev.
How high did you jump when youguys caught that Hail Mary
versus the bears?

Well, well, it just so happens that I am fat,
so not very high, but I did tryto jump very high, but yeah, I
was, I was super excited.
I think my wife, we, we seen it.
You already have my wife.
I think she filmed it, but I waspretty, I think I did the robot
and Dougie.
I did the old John Wall, theJohn Wall dance from, you know,
Kentucky days.

Yeah,

pretty hype.

that's great.
What about you,

You guys just moonwalked over your team.

Steve / Command This! Podca (15:07):
The Hail Mary was a four o'clock
game for us.
So my kids were up and we weredownstairs to watch.
They just watched the end.
But I really thought the gamewas over.
I'm like, Caleb Williams wentdown, he did what he was
supposed to do.
He got his team into scoringposition and it was 15 13 and I
was like, okay.
This is it.
I, you know, and everyone in thegroup chats, like it's never

(15:29):
over.
Never say never.
Jayden had hurt ribs.
He made that throw man.
I screamed.
I of course filmed it.
Cause that's what you do.
You film everything and at thetop of my lungs.
I was hoarse.
I was in shock and that's, thatwas the start of the magic had
started.
It was great.
I jumped so loud.
I screamed at the top of mylungs.
I was a little bit hoarse.
They got hurt.
Might hurt my throat a littlebit, but.

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And I, I think that moment wasthe moment Dan Snyder's curse
left Northwest field or FedExfield, whatever, you know, where
the commanders play at thatmoment, Dan Snyder's curse soul
left the stadium and we've neverseen it since.
So it was very, very emotionalevent for us.

Yeah,

Jacob (16:07):
Nice.

I'm from my reaction because you guys beat
an NFC North opponent.
And at that time, the bears werelooking formidable.
I think, I don't know that waswe, they were, they started out
foreign too.
So I'm not sure how far afterthat, when that loss came.
So we're, we were happy to seethem lose, but we had turned the
game off because we thought itwas over.
And then my son is actually theone goes.

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The, the commanders won.
And so then we had to go backand look and it's always fun to
see how bears how bears figureout how to lose a game.
And they've done it many timesthis year, but that was the best
one.

And they were, they were kind of our
formidable foes for the firstlike 10 games of the season.
Like we played you guys once,like, Stop trying to downplay
Jaden with Jaden Daniels just tojust to bring up Caleb Williams.
Like I love Caleb Williams He'sa product of DC.
We want to see him do well tomath a grad not too far from
where I live I want to see Calebdo well.
It's not about them competingthat football is great when

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they're when they're both greatSo all these Bears fans just
trashing us and trashing JadenDaniels and like for what reason
so for the first half of theseason It was very fans were
really, you know getting on ournerves.
It was getting kind of stupidthere for a minute You

They're very protective of Caleb Williams.
They

Yeah.

I mean, they're hanging their hat on him and I,
and I understand it.
I mean, they went, I mean, theydon't have ever had a 4, 000
yard passer.
They always think the next guyis going to be the guy and he's
shown flashes and, but

Yeah.

you know, they're, they're hanging their
hat on him.
So we'll, we'll see.
I'd rather have Jaden right now,though.
I'll tell you that.

Yeah.

Jacob (17:45):
Right?

Steve / Command This! Podc (17:46):
all,

Jacob (17:47):
You guys really took the wind out of their whole season,
though.
Cause that was, they were 4 2,and then they lost 10 in a row
after that.

we say, you know, we broke them,
like, you know, in, in the wordsof, you know, Ivan Drago, if he
dies, he dies.
Like that's literally whathappened.
We broke the bears.

Jacob (18:02):
Yeah.

And they lost so many games, nail
biters, and it all goes back tothe hell mare,

Jacob (18:09):
Yeah, right.

I

crazy a

I mean, both of your guys seasons might've
teetered on that moment, right?
I mean,

Steve / Command This! P (18:16):
hundred percent.

Yeah.

yeah.

100%.

crazy.

since week 12.
Have we?

Who for us week 12 to Dallas,
Dallas.
Yep.

Yep.
And that was, was that, was acrazy

Jacob (18:31):
Yeah.

two kickoffs back in the last two minutes.

Yeah.

We robbed FOMO three times.
It was, we missed two fieldgoals or something like that.
An extra point.

Steve / Command This! Po (18:40):
Cooper Cooper rush looked like a world
beater for a little bit there.
And yeah, we just weren't on ourbest and we still almost won,
but we just were not on our, ourbest that game.
Yeah.
Tough game.

So speaking of

Jacob (18:51):
We kind of have that thing to where the, you know, if
your defense isn't quite holdingup, if they're scoring, it's
like, well, you know what, we'lljust outscore you.
Then we're going to stay in it 1way or another.

Yep.
So I want to ask you about DanQuinn, you know, he's the first
coaster in Washington history toget 10 plus wins in his first
season.
obviously you guys were probablyfamiliar with him from being the
DC and, you know, for theCowboys.
What have your, been yourthoughts of Dan Quinn so far?

Good.

I love him.
In fact, I remember on Twitterif I could find the message.
I said whenever they was goingafter your guys assistant coach.

Ben Johnson.

we won't we won't name he said that, you know,
they I said, hey man, if itdoesn't work out with Mr.
Johnson over there dog.
I'd like to go out to the Quinnand everybody said, oh, we need
offensive coach.
I said, man, all you need.
Is a good coach, you know, startthere and Quinn's the guy.
I like him.
I, I love the guy, man, but youknow, to be quite honest, I also

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love Ron Rivera and look whatthey got me.

Jacob (19:54):
Right.

And for me, honestly, Dan Quinn was
not on my radar.
My, my remembering of Dan Quinnwas the Falcons as a Atlanta
Falcons head coach, where theydidn't You know, blew that giant
lead in the super bowl.

defense coordinator beat us in the
playoffs.

I, Hey

Jacob (20:10):
Yeah, I'm sorry.
Yeah.
I'm sorry.

all in on Ben Johnson.
I was a Ben Johnson guy.
I'm like, you know, Sean McVaywas the one who got away.
Matt LaFleur was the one who gotaway.
Kevin O'Connor was the one whogot away.
The entire NFC North almost wasthe ones who got away from
Washington.
And so I was like, man, this is,this is the guy, this is the
next prodigy.
And then it just, Ben Johnsonsaid, I'm staying.
And then Dan Quinn was the nextguy.

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So, you know, I was like, Devsaid, I was in love with Ron
Rivera too, is a military guy, aveteran, but nothing about Dan
Quinn really jumped out at me,but I'm all in on, I'm sold on
this guy, man.
What a great leader he is.

Jacob (20:53):
Thank you.

I'm happy to

is,

have him.

is your guy's story on why your OC turned down
the Washington job?
Cause on our, on our, we'rehearing that he caught us a MBA
school.
And they didn't, you know, theywant to play.
And then today we heard that hewanted to keep how that's the
newest thing we've been hit onthe radio.
That is that he wanted to keephow and RGM said, nah, we're
going to draft Daniels.
And he didn't want to come hereat coach house.

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So they turned the plane around.
Like we've heard like so manydifferent stories, but from a
lion's perspective, what are youguys hearing?

Jacob (21:22):
I find that hard to believe that he, you know, had
to have how that was his guy.
You know, that's usually whatyou want as a head coach.
Right?
It's usually what you want as ahead coach.
So as you get to pick yourquarterback with a high traffic
and then you go, I think that,you know, That loss of San Fran
and the NFC championship reallyleft a bad taste in everybody's
mouth.

(21:43):
He knew what we have and youknow, the chance that we have
this year to build on that.
And, you know, he's definitelylike, if the situation is not
perfect for him, he's contentbeing offensive coordinator
right now.
And I don't know if it wasmaybe, you know, cause you guys
have the new ownership andeverything like that.
It was still kind of up in theair.
You don't know exactly howthings are going to go.
You don't know, you know whatthey're trying to build, which I

(22:05):
mean, to Dan Quinn's credit, youknow, now he's a part of that
right now he gets to take creditfor the turnaround that they've
had.
But I just think that BenJohnson, it wasn't, wasn't a
sure thing there and he likedwhat he had here.
So that's honestly what we'retalking about this year too,
because there's still not aguarantee that he takes another,
you know, head coaching job.
He's definitely, you know, he'scontent.

(22:25):
He's looking for the right he'slooking for the right spot for
him.

Yeah, that's fair.

I don't think it has anything to do with the
commanders, to be honest withyou.
I really think it was allbecause he announced it like two
days or that week after the SanFrancisco loss that he was going
to come back.
So that, you know, it was, youknow, the big talk was your
leadership was on a plane out toDetroit and then, you know, he
can't, you know, canceled it midflight or whatever.

(22:55):
I wouldn't take any slighttowards the commanders.
I think it's all about.
Ben Johnson wanted thisopportunity here and I'm of the.
right now that the Raiders arecoming on strong for it.
Wanting him because of TomBrady.
But I feel like if we don't winthe Superbowl, I would say Ben
Johnson's going to be back andwe're going to lose Aaron Glenn,
but I think Ben Johnson's goingto be back if we don't win the

(23:17):
Superbowl, if we win theSuperbowl, all bets are off.

Yeah, just part of the game.
I mean, our

winning a Superbowl.
Cause y'all not winningSaturday.

Jacob (23:26):
Yes.

get the shots in.

you could talk about this on your podcast when
we're on there tomorrow, butwe're on Alliance podcast.
You, you could be a little morehumble and say, Oh, I hope we

Jacob (23:37):
No,

game.
Heh heh heh heh heh.

I can be

Jacob (23:40):
no,

you're saying.

Jacob (23:41):
we want authentic.

yeah, we, you'd be real, man.
If that's what you believe,that's what you believe.
That's cool.

I'm scared to death.
Actually, that's the

Jacob (23:49):
Yes.

but we'll figure it out.

Yeah, we got it.

That's how I feel about Jade and Daniel's though.
Like that's the unknown that forme as Alliance fan, that's where
I'm like, you know, anythingcould happen, you know, with
that's where we got to stopthem.
And you know, the wild card, butI.
I like the lion's chances, butJaden Daniels gives you guys the

(24:15):
best chance to win just becausewe don't know he's, he's a
really good quarterback, likehis

Steve / Command This! (24:21):
Looking.

is off charts for a

Looking at your guys schedule this year,
who you guys played so JadenDanes is having a season that
no, very few rookie quarterbacksever have had, and he's very
dynamic.
Even Lamar's first yearstarting, you know, wasn't even
as dynamic as Jaden's, butlooking at the schedule, you
guys played, you know, you're 15two.

(24:45):
There isn't anyone, I see thatyou guys played Arizona, but
other than that, there is notone.
the schedule.
There wasn't a whole lot of dualthreat, mobile quarterbacks
outside of Collimer and you guysbeat Arizona 20 to 13.
So I I'm sure that's going toplay a factor into this game is
having the threat of, of Jadenrunning.
You think that's a, you know, athing with Jaden and your guys

(25:06):
defense.

well, I could tell you that Kyler Murray, we
also faced Anthony Richardsonfor the Colts and Both of those
games started out similar, wherethe first drive, the first
couple drives, they, KylerMurray had his way and so did
Richardson, but then the linesadjusted really quickly.
So we'll see if, if we're ableto do that.

(25:29):
And we, Josh Allen tore us up,but I don't think that that is,
I mean, first of all, it's JoshAllen.
He's, Amazing player, but wealso didn't have Alex Anzalone.
Our green dot was not in, inthat game and he's our best
protection against runningquarterback.
So I don't know how fair that isto look, but we bottled up Kyler

(25:50):
Murray and Anthony Richardsonafter the first couple of
drives.
So not saying that we could dothat against Jaden, but I feel
pretty confident that You know,looking at those games, the
first drive, maybe it'll look alittle rough and then we'll,
we'll adjust and, and hopefullykeep, keep them under wraps.
So

Jacob (26:08):
game plan, right?

yeah, let's, let's keep it on Jayden Daniels.
Did you guys both want him atnumber two when you guys were
ready to draft?

Absolutely.

Yeah, that for sure did.
I, I was honestly, it was a winwin for us.
I, at the time I had apreference for Drake May just
because I felt, you know, hisbody and I hadn't fully watched,
you know, I watched JadenDaniels senior year, but none of
his older stuff.
So for me, I was, I was kind ofmore on Drake May, you know,
hindsight's 2020 go

Jacob (26:38):
Yeah.

in time and change that all.

Hey Dev, if Caleb Williams would have been there,
would you have rather had him?

Yeah, see,

one pick?

get that question a lot and my answer will be
yeah, like, Yeah.
I will be lying if I every yearthat Caleb Caleb Williams in
high school was the best highschooler coming out.
Caleb Williams his freshman yearof college was the best freshman
in college football.
His second year he won aHeisman.
He's one of the best players inthe country.
Third year, even though hedidn't win a Heisman and Jane

(27:07):
did he was still one of the besttwo or three players in the
country.
So I still believe that thatCaleb Williams is still a very
good quarterback and thatreputation alone.
Would have made me pick a numberone because I feel like that's a
known commodity.
You know what I'm saying?
Like you, you do the worst casescenario.
I think Caleb Williams will beat at least an all star game

(27:30):
caliber quarterback in hiscareer, man.
I think so.
You, you can put everybody talksabout Caleb.
What's the name?
Strauss.
What's the quarterback lastyear?

Shroud.

CJ, at his numbers and put Kayla's number
side by side.
They're not that much different.
It's just that they won moregames.
The end result was different inwins and losses, but the
statistics are nearly the same,but you know, people look at him
like he's a failure because youcompare him to Jaden and Jaden
went right after him.
That's going to be the PhilipRivers, Peyton Manning thing

(28:00):
forever for that guy.

Jacob (28:02):
Yes.

but yeah, so story short, my answer would be,
yeah, I would, I would havetaken Caleb if I was number one,
because I felt like I I've seenenough.
You know, but I would have beenwrong because Jaden Dales is
better than him.
As of right now, Jaden Dales isbetter than him.
And maybe Bo Nicks is too.
And maybe Bowers.
And

Jacob (28:23):
Yeah.

maybe a lot of these rookies are, you know,
well, yeah, definitely

offensive class so far.
I mean, they were all drafted,you know,

Oh, yeah.

the first off defensive player wasn't taken
until second half of the draft.
So

bro.
I wanted, I wanted like twoyears ago when Lamar Jackson was
a free agent, I wanted him.
I was like, that was like,you're about to go up to first.
I would do it.
We turned those two first andJahan Dawson and Jamie Davis,
bro.

Jacob (28:47):
Yeah.

Like who would have cared?
You know?

Jacob (28:50):
Right.

yeah, sometimes the known is better than the
unknown

you have to have a quarterback as the most
important position in sports.
You have to have one of those,like a Ferrari, like a, like a
Mahomes or Allen.
You have to have one of thoseguys

sorry.

really good.
Like the lions, everyone, youknow, golf is no slouch.
He's good.
He's all star caliber.
Good.
But everyone else is, there's alot of elite guys around me.

right

ain't got that, you got to handle a Lamar
Jackson or, or Mahomes or Allenor Burroughs, that's my

Okay.
If you want to take a look atthe slides, please do.
We'd love to.
You know.
I'm just

Jacob (29:33):
Yeah.
So you know, we both had talkedabout, we wanted St.
Rostell in the second round.
The commander's got them at pick50 before we had a pick
obviously Michigan man andeverything.
So we wanted him on the team.
What are your impressions of himso far?

Steve / Command This! Podcast (29:47):
I mean, we, Mikey, we call him
Mikey.
He's our agent zero

Jacob (29:51):
Yep.

Steve / Command This (29:51):
surpassing all expectations.
I mean, he was a slot guy atMichigan.
We thought he was going to be aslot guy here, but just due to
the way we flushed out thecornerback position, he ended up
having to play outside almostthe entire season.
And he has just been, he leadsall, all rookies in past
breakups.
He's like four, you know, had 14total this year.

(30:12):
He just surpassed.
Our, my expectations at everyturn.
And it, it, it turns out that,you know, we get a lot of bad
second round picks.
Clearly he's not in that boatand he's been able to hang with
all the big dogs.
No, no task has been too big ortoo small for for saying we're
still.
So I am thrilled that we havesame.
We're still, and there's no needto put them in the slot.

(30:34):
He's an outside corner.
He proved he can be outsidecorner.
If we get Marshawn Latin, we'rehealthy him at one, two punch,
man.
I think we're going to be in agood spot.

Did you just quote Paw Patrol bro?

we're on a roll

Jacob (30:44):
Yeah.

too big, no case

Jacob (30:46):
Yeah.

too big.
No, I did not.
But I thought about it.

a clean show.
So he was all

Yeah.

got to go to PAW Patrol.
That's

Right, Chase on the case.

Rebel on the double.
Yeah.

Jacob (31:03):
Saner still used to be a receiver for Michigan and then,
you know, they switched from adefensive side.
Yeah.
He was a receiver and then theyswitched in the defensive side.
Well, right.
But you know what?
He plays the ball really well.
And he had, you know, quite afew highlight reel, you know,
past breakups at Michigan.
So you know, it's awesome to seehim doing well.
Obviously we wanted him on ourteam, but

Yeah.

guys Michigan fans across the board?
Like the Pistons and

Jacob (31:28):
yes.

I like the Knicks and y'all killed us the other
day.

Jacob (31:33):
Yeah, right.

man.

Jacob (31:36):
It was a good game.

yeah, I bet

a good game.

I have a little fan.
We did beat you in the finalfour or

Jacob (31:42):
man, don't talk about that.
That was a clean block.

I don't know what it was.
I can say that now.
Definitely.
2012.
I definitely can say it now.
Yeah.

Jacob (31:50):
Yeah,

block.

Jacob (31:51):
man.

Yeah.
Sandra's still just thinkingback to him.
He just seems to always be inthe right spot.
He was like that at Michigan.
And that's what I liked abouthim.
Like nothing like measurables,like stand out, but he just
always is in the right spot,just a very dependable player.

Yeah.
Like, and it's, if you know, ourother cornerbacks, we have a guy
named Benjamin St.
Juice.
Who's just not good at what hedoes.
He was, he was basically ours.
Cornerback one to start theseason with sandwich to that's
the number two.
he completely outshined BSJ.
It only took two weeks for himto show like, Oh yeah, that guy,
Mikey is way better.

Yeah.

Jacob (32:31):
Yeah.

we call him Benjamin Trash Juice.

Yeah, he's, he's struggling man, he's

Jacob (32:36):
he he also was at Michigan.

him.
He

Ah,

Jacob (32:40):
was at Michigan.
I think you know, he lost thestarting spot.
He transferred to Was itMinnesota?
He transferred somewhere like inthe Big Ten, but he, yeah, he
was from Michigan.

didn't know that.

Jacob (32:50):
So we know him too.

Ha, ha, ha,

Jacob (32:53):
Yeah, one of those where it's like, man, he's still in
the NFL.
He's still, he's still doingthis, huh?

Man.
Yep, still around.
He's about to come up to the endof his first contract, so we'll,
we'll see if they keep himaround.
I'm not sure.

Might be

I dub.

year.

Jacob (33:06):
Yeah,

No, no.

Jacob (33:08):
right.

guys keep drafting the way you're
drafting, you'll find areplacement real quick.
You guys, that your

hoping for it.

very impressive.

Thank you.
Your draft that you're, you're,I tell you, you got a stole.
Well, y'all traded Stafford forthe best of your old team.

know.

Jacob (33:25):
Yeah, right.

got everyone at draft.
That was, that was a good one.
We, I think the best draft wehad was we, we traded the rights
to Ricky waters for absolutely awhole roster of draft picks and
none of them were good.
Not one of them.

That's how the lines have been forever.
We would trade away people andthen get.
Nothing to show for it.
And,

I saw Barry Sanders and Megatron, who is the

Yeah.
Yeah.

dog in lions football history.

well, if you ask me, it's Chris Spielman, who's
our middle linebacker.

Yeah.
Yeah.

he's in the front office type that that's my guy,
but

Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.

know, they're, we've had some pretty good
players in and out the lions.
Billy Sims would have been arunning back in the early
eighties.
He, if he wouldn't have gotinjured, he'd, you know, He
would have been up there withBarry as far as like numbers.
So

No.
Yeah.

about, cause

Jacob (34:27):
No.

That Rodney Pete.

Rodney Pete.
Yeah.
Well, you guys know about

Scott, Scott,

him on Tecmo ball every now and then.
I'm a red guy.

Jacob (34:35):
Yes.

I mean,

Scott what's his name?
Number 19.
Scott someone, Scott Mitchell.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Long.

I got

Yeah.

I

So

RoboCop by the way.

you know, it's, you know, we've had, well, we
had a run in our franchise, hada run in, in playoffs before
1991.
You guys under a different nameat that time.
And,

Yeah.
Bye bye.
We'll see you next week.

Took you guys went to the Superbowl on that.
So not getting our way thisyear.
Let's let's

Yeah,

plays out.

you know, the guy, you remember that
show Webster like MarishaWebster,

Emmanuel

Alex Karras Webster's dad, George
Papadopoulos.
He played for the lines.
He had a thing with the lines.

Papadopoulos.

Herman Moore was another good one too.
So the line lines got some, somegood and Matthew Stafford
essentially owns Washington.
So

Yeah.

he's like seven to know against this

where we're in Osmond

Heisman runner.

Out of

we know

Just run and shoot quarterback.
And then, yeah, it didn't I sawan article on CBS and the line
was, Matthew Stafford, an alltime great post season
quarterback.
And I was,

12 and oh, oh, and 12 or whatever or something.
Yeah,

a

I mean,

I mean, he's, he's good.
And he probably could have wonmore in Detroit.
Have we had better coaching?

man, he basically had to,

in the game, for the

he basically joined the super friends though.
He basically joined the JusticeLeague to win.
You know, I mean, when he wonone.

They were set up pretty good.
I mean, Stafford could do thingsthat Jared Goff can't.
I mean, Stafford could do thingsa lot of quarterbacks can.
His arm talent is, is off thechart.
He's very smart, but he willalso blow a game really quick
too.
Like he almost did the other,when he threw that little, I
don't know if you watched theMinnesota

Reflect

that little

slick.

like, I was like, yep, that is a Stafford play.
Did Jacob likes that playthough.
He thought it was a 100

Jacob (36:31):
We disagreed.
Well, because Puka was rightthere.
He's not going to take the sack.
He's right there.
He flicks the ball.
It's, you know, you're basicallythrowing it away.
You're killing it.

You also don't want to see staff.

you're, you're up, you're giving the refs a
little bit, you know, of, I, Iwouldn't trust the
interpretation on that becausethey, they could have called
that a fumble if they wanted

I thought it was a fumble.

I thought it was a fumble.
By the way, you don't want tosee Stafford in the last minute
of any game.
Anyways,

no,

you don't want to see that guy.
He's pretty much 100 percent ofthe end of games.
You don't want to give that guy.

we, you know, he's one of the four, you know,
one of the four teams left inthe NFC.
So if we, you know, happen toget by you guys this weekend,
you don't want to face him inthe NFC

They got, they got to get through
Philly and it'd be cool to see,you know, if we don't make it,
you know, Eagles and Rams, I'msorry,

want

Rams and Lions championship game
would be a pretty, pretty

Jacob (37:22):
No, man.

now

Jacob (37:24):
the storylines again.

storyline.
Oh God.
Stomach's already

think?

thinking about it.

do you think the NFL wants to see?
You think they want to see

LA, LA,

Ravens Washington, Philly?

LA, Buffalo, LA, Baltimore, LA.
Cause of the fires.
It's in the script, man.
It's coming.

I

Jacob (37:40):
Yeah.
Right.

I'm telling you, telling you.

I don't know, man.
I, I don't want to subscribe toall the script and stuff like
that.
And the Stafford lions thing haskind of played out from last
year and they started out thisseason with it.
So it's like, mom, we playedlike the, year we went out to LA
and that was like, when wetraded them out there, that,
that lions were crap then it,it, Didn't really matter.

(38:04):
But the last, you know, coupleof matchups have really meant
something.
So I don't know that storylinedefinitely around here.
It's played out.
Like I'm tired of it.
I don't know nationally if it'splayed out or not, but yeah, you
brought up the LA fires though.
That'd be like what happenedKatrina down in

Yeah.

and

2006, 2007.

Jacob (38:24):
Yeah.

Yeah.
When I saw the intro of thatgame against Minnesota, I'm like
the concert and the LA strong.
I'm like, there's no wayMinnesota is going to win this
game.

come,

There's no, there's no, that

how come Washington can't use the Capitol
Six the Capitol

was last year where you're, you're
too late.

as motivation.

You're, you're too late.

winning the Super Bowl, bro.

Late.
Yeah.

know, now what, what sunk Minnesota is Sam
Darnold.
You know that.
I mean, that was

Yeah.

a guy losing money out of his pocket.

happened to that guy the last three weeks of the
year, man?
I was like, man, they need totrade McCarthy and keep saying,
don't Sam Donald.
That guy's the guy then lasttwo, three games of the year,
like Egypt air, man.
Just straight.

the question

No, stop.

you know, we posed like before the lions,
Minnesota matchup was, you know,there, you know, Darnold hasn't
faced that much pressure andhe's going into Ford field.
We'll see what he can do.
And, know, he fell apart.
And so the question was, allright, if he, if he does the
same thing against the Rams,that's going to

Jacob (39:24):
Okay.

but he definitely lost a lot of money and probably
starting job next year

came up Yeah,

That game was supposed to be the
defacto game of the season forme, you know,

yeah.

and 14 in two verse 14 and two for
the division championship, thenumber one seed, you know, first
person goes to the home fieldadvantage.
The next team goes, drops downto whatever, see the fifth seed,
whatever.
was just such a, such a letdown,man.
I was not expecting that.

a letdown

Jacob (39:57):
It doesn't let down.

Yeah.

Jacob (39:58):
Yeah.

you guys.
I mean,

were we

as someone with no dog in the
fight, it was a letdown.

no,

much rather play Minnesota than Saturday.
I'm not gonna lie to you.

man, it, it was crazy environment in there.
The commanders are going to comeinto, I'm telling you Ford field
is going to be lit on onSaturday.
So it's going to be loud.
I know that the reports outthere there, you guys were
practicing with, with noise, butI just, going to be able to
match that.
It's not, it's a crazyenvironment.

I'm eager to see Daniels on turf

Yeah.
Do you

Well, I believe in LSU he played on
turf.
I believe I'm not, I'm not apositive.
I thought LSU was a turf, turffield.

LSU in a dome?
They are there in the LouisianaSuperdome, right?
Are they in it?

Yeah.
Yeah.
But tickets, tickets, I mean, Iwas debating like, man, I could
just go.
And I looked at the tickets.
I'm like, cause the, the, theplayoff game, playoff tickets
versus the bucks were like one25, one 50, man, these, these
tickets were 700 bucks.
Six.
Are they always that expensive?
Or that's the by product ofbeing the divisional round
playoff game.

No.
So one of the beat writers,Jeremy Reisman posted on, on
Twitter that you could buy threetickets for the other three
divisional games for all threetogether for less than going to
the Lions game.
Part of it is just the hypearound this team.
And Detroit is a football townand they've been starving for a

(41:23):
team like this for years.
Decades upon decades.
And, know, a lot of us withseason tickets, aren't giving
them up.
I'm not

Right?

And, you know, and the other people that are,
are either in it for the profit.
So they're going to try to getas much, but even like when the,
the lions put up tickets justfor sale, like for season ticket
holders, like the limited amountof extra tickets, what the lines
are asking are like four or 500a seat.
When I looked last Sunday,standing room only

7 16.
I saw.

yeah,

Yeah.

insane in the same

Yeah.

a section of four field do not ever buy those.
Cause

bad.

it's

Jacob (42:00):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.

if, if we go to Super Bowl, man, I'm selling
blood, plasma.
I'm, I'm gonna start me onlyfans.
I'm doing everything I can.
If, if we, if we beat you guysto go to Super Bowl.
I'm selling Steve, by the way,on T Move.

there's a lot of Lions fans selling buying
tickets for new Orleans rightnow.
And cause we've neverexperienced anything like that.
And the ticket prices downthere, especially if the lines
get there, they're going to onlybe increased.
I think the average, they saidit was like, you know, For two
people like for lodging flightand everything, they were

(42:37):
estimated 50 to 60, 000 for

Oh

down there.

my gosh.

I know I don't know where they got all those
numbers, but I, you know, Idon't know like what ticket
prices they were going off, butman, I

I gotta ask Brother in law there.

that.
My couch is, I think I'd rathersit on my couch with 50, 000
next to me watching the lionsrather than being down there,
but I don't know.

That's right.

own.

I don't believe you, man.
I believe that Lions have neverwon a Super Bowl in history.
Never been to one.
Last year's the best year.
If they made the Super Bowl, Ibelieve you would go, Jason.
I believe you would find one.
There's no way that you, there'sno way you wouldn't go.
If you could, if, granted, I'massuming you could afford it,
because I couldn't afford it.
I would find a way.

(43:26):
I'd probably divorce rightafterward, but I would be there,
you know

I'll Jacob, I'll sell him

what

as you know, my father in law, like three years
ago, my boy, I have two boys, 13and 10, three years ago, they're
starting to get into sports.
You know, sports getting madand, and all that stuff.
And then the lions started to,you know, they, they weren't
very good three and what three,13 and one, and, you know, a
couple three weeks ago, he cameup to me and he's like, Do the

(43:55):
boys still remember what, what Isaid?
And I was like, Oh, they'vementioned it just the other day.
And he's like, Oh, and I go, butthey said they don't want to go
because they would be toonervous.
My boys gets really like anxiousabout football.
So they, they could not handleseeing a losing, like us get
there and then lose the superbowl.
At least that's what they'vetold me.

(44:16):
And but I was like, I, it's likeSteve, your 50 or 60, 000 is
good.
You can you know, we're notgoing to go to the Superbowl,
but you could throw a big partyat our house.

Yeah, I still have, I still have a 48,
000 left.

Jacob (44:30):
Yeah.

Pop that champagne after the game, maybe,
or drink your sours away if youlose, you know?
So let's talk a little bit aboutthis upcoming game.
This, the spread is 9.
5.
It's grown up to that.
Is, are you guys surprised bythat?
Or is that what you guys feelis,

little bit.
Yeah, I'm a little bit surprisedonly because statistically I
know you have the number oneoffense, but we're number three.
It's not that crazy.
We average like only we averageless than a touchdown a game
than you guys and we allow less

Yep.
Yep.
Yep.

no matter what.
So maybe take that inconsideration.
But yeah, I think that I'mdefinitely going to pick the
spread at least.
I think, I think we'll be ableto score

Yeah.

Silence.

from scoring, but you know,

That's what Jacob and I we go back when our when
Alex Anzalone was done.
We have, I mean, we still have alot injuries on

Hello, everyone.
My name is Dan Ziegler.
I'm the director of the New YorkCity Public Library.
I'm also the director of the NewYork City Public Library.
And I'm going to be talkingabout the which is called New
York City Library.

Jacob (45:42):
Right.

And I don't blame you.
I mean, nine and a half seemed alittle large for me, but I think
Jacob said it started out closerto five and a half and then I
think it bloomed up.
So the money muscle went towardsthe lions and push that spread.

Yeah, I think they're also trying to
get a lot of money on thecommanders for hitting that nine
points.
I, I was thinking it was goingto be about seven and a half,
maybe eight, but nine, if to me,I, when I first look, it opened
up at 10 on, on fanatics, sothat was, I mean, when I, when I
looked, it was probably a coupleof days, I think I let him look

(46:19):
to a, like a Tuesday, but itwas, it was 10.
So you know, nine points.
Yeah.
I w I would take the spread onthat one, but like Dev was
saying, you know, you guys arethe number one ranked office
scoring offense and the numberone, there's number seventh
points allowed defense.
And we are the fifth highestscoring offense, but the 18th
overall for, for points allowed.

(46:40):
So

alone on passing yards per game, Detroit average
is 342 against, you don't say inWashington is 326.
That's total yards, but passingyards is 244 to 189.

Jacob (46:53):
A lot of that's also because people are playing from
behind or just the run defensehas been much better than, you
know, what the pass defense withthe injuries.

that also could be it,

Yeah,

you just

ahead, sorry to

never know, like, it's just a weird, nine, nine
points is a lot.
Is it what is eight?
What is it?
Nine points now?

not it was nine and a half when I looked last
night.
I, I didn't

Wow.

yet.

It's

Jacob (47:17):
It just, it's too much for a playoff game.
It just seems really weird.

It's disrespectful.

game, especially, I mean, I could see some of
those in the first round whenyou got, you know, you're
playing the seventh seat orsomething like that, but yeah,
it was, yeah, I was kind ofsurprised by that.
I, I think it's, I think itprobably could be closer to
that.
I could see lions scoring a lot,just having the bye week and
coming out, but I could alsosee, you know, like a game, like

(47:42):
the bucks game where it's goingon to the last possession and
you know, we'll see if our, youknow, Kickers stretched out and
you know, and your kickersplaying with his hair and he's
all nervous.

Jacob (47:53):
Yeah.

he's, he's injured though.
So we'll see,

I know.

we'll

Jacob (47:56):
Right.

Nine, I still got nine and a half on
fanatics and draft King.
So

Jacob (48:00):
Yeah.

stay, it's holding with nine.
And I think against the bucks,what were we deaf six, five or
six point dogs?

was less than that.
I think it was like three orsomething.

Three.
Oh no.
Three and a half, three and ahalf, three and a half at home.
So it was a pick them.
Yeah.
But yeah, nine and a half, youknow, it's okay.
I would take the points.
I'm not sure about the wind, butThat's a big spread.
Not mad at it though.

the points for sure.

It's been worse.

Jacob (48:23):
Yeah.

Yeah.
Well, Jacob, just so you know,Jacob and I both picked
Washington to beat Tampa Baylast week.
So we were both on your, on your

Jacob (48:30):
We called that.

Yeah.

Fantastic.

Yeah.
So you mentioned him early.
I want to know what yourthoughts on Marshawn Lattimore.
So his first week.
The Saints didn't the first gamehe played at the Saints didn't
throw at him the last two weeksHe's been throwing at a lot.
So, you know, I know that he'scome back from injury.
What's your guys's thoughts onMarshawn Lattimore?

I mean, we were, we were expecting
the traditional Evans andLattimore showdown that you've
seen in when he was in newOrleans for the longest time.
He came to us injured with the,with the hamstring injury.
So we had to rest, rehab him.
He came out at the, I can'tremember what game it was, Dev.
Was it the Saints?
Came back for the Saints game.

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didn't have one pass thrown hisway.
And then he got a, he did okayat the Eagles game and then he
got hurt again.
Then we rested him for the next.
Or he got hurt and we didn't seehim for three games and he comes
back for this Bucks game and hejust did not look like himself.
That hamstring still has to bebothering him, but a healthy, a
healthy Marshawn Latimore wouldbe fantastic.

(49:34):
And I mean, as it stands rightnow, I'm not really sure what's
going to happen with this injuryreport.
He had full practices this week,but something

Jacob (49:42):
Yeah.

So not sure.

Yeah, I think he, I mean, the game plan for last
week was to keep everything infront of them.
They only had what, 150something yards passing,

Yeah.
It wasn't a lot.

right?
I think that eliminate the bigplays.
It's probably the same game planwe have against the lions to be
honest.
I mean, lions are what a numberone in a score percentage drives
in and in points at like a 51.
6 percent Washington's numbertwo at 50.
Yeah.
Yeah.

Jacob (50:22):
Okay.

So you see what I'm saying?
So I think that the thing is, iseliminate the big plays.
And I think that was our gameplan last week with Lattimore.
It looked like on a touchdown isthat he was playing the outside
and they were looking for QuanMartin to play a slant and he
was a second late.
It looked like it went rightover his head with a touchdown
to Evan.
So I wonder if it's just a, someof the plays they did get were
miscommunications, buteverything looked like a pick

(50:45):
play underneath to me that, thattouchdown pass.

Yeah, Marsha, I mean, it's got to be hard for a
quarterback to come in like thatlate in the season.
And,

Yeah.

you know, cause it's all built on communication
back there.
You know, if you're playing man,maybe not as much, but even that
you're going to pass off to thesafety or something at some
point, you gotta, gotta know,you gotta be able to trust that

Yeah.
That, that whole,

hard.

that's it.
And I think that a lot of thatcommunication happened in the
Evans game where he thought hehad help.
He didn't have help, you know,just, just that, you know,
familiarization, like you said,just the playing time.
It just, it's, it's not there.

All right, Jacob, I'm gonna let you ask

Jacob (51:24):
All right.
Well, so the past defense foryou guys, though, is actually
it's not been bad, but the, therun defenses ring towards the
bottom part of the league.
Why do you think they'restruggling with the run?

Good idea.
You can take that one.

We're trash.
I,

Jacob (51:39):
You've got a really good linebacker, right?
And I mean, the defensivetackles like

We got to all pro linebackers and we only start to
linebackers.
So that means all thelinebackers are all broke yet.
We're still basically bottombarrel buckets in the, in the,
you know, in run events, I can'tfigure it out either.
You would think, you would thinkif you have John Allen, who's
also been all pro and pro bowlerin pain and then a legitimate

(52:03):
first round talent picking aJazeera Newton.
They'll be able to at least openup run fits for the linebackers
who are all pro, but it hasn'tseemed to work all year.
I will say this though, I guessthe run, we have allowed some
guys to get off for like aquarter and then usually we
stopped that really quick and weget on top of it.

(52:24):
Like Saquon did it.
I think another couple ofrunning backs did it too, had a,
had a pretty good first orsecond drive.
And after that we kind of lockedit down.
So I'm hoping, I'm hoping bestworst case scenario for us.
Is that what happened?
I

Jacob (52:37):
you're

so dynamic

Tom and

duo.

Jacob (52:47):
the shirt

Yeah.

it's

like a knuckles,

on your shirt, man.
Yeah.

touchdowns between a man, 28 touchdowns.
That's stupid,

guys.
I, I absolutely love, I have gotdrafted Gibbs by the way, in one
of my leagues.
I love, I love those guys.
Jealous.

Jacob (53:03):
good.
One, two punch.

like Deb was saying, there's a little
bit of context and nuance withthat number with the, with the
run defense being so bad.
Yes.
Statistically on the whole it'sbad.
I think it puts us at near thebottom of the league and yards
allowed like 31st or 30 I think.
But like Deb said, these guyswill get off for two, for two
quarters.
First two quarters.
And almost like clockwork.

(53:25):
The first half, these guys aregetting like 95 yards and we're
like, damn, are we going to stopthe Rona?
We can, are we going to stop a,you know, who, who is it going
to be today?
Is it going to be you know,Tracy, is

Jacob (53:35):
So I'm going to go ahead and start the recording.
I'm going to go ahead and startthe recording.
Okay.
very much.

I forget who the Cowboys guy is.
Who, who is it going to be?
Alvin Kamara did it to us too,but that second half Joe Witt,
Jr.
Always finds a way to adjust.
And as a fan, it's frustrating.
Cause you want to come out evenkeel across the whole game.
So.
could happen.
He's really good at figuring outhalftime adjustments coming in
the third quarter.
So yes, while that number isfrustrating being so low in the

(54:01):
league, it is a little bitnuanced because you don't, you
don't see them giving up a lotof running yards on the back
half of the game, which iscrazy.
Like I thought Bucky Irving wasgoing to have a field day
started off great second halfdidn't do anything.
So it's something to

Jacob (54:15):
Okay.
I've got the transcript.
Okay.
I'm sorry.
I've got the transcript.
Yeah.
Okay.
Okay.

well, this is Dave Montgomery has come back
from his MCL strain, whatever it

Yeah.

and yeah, he's ready to play.
It's going to be interesting tosee how strong his knee is if
he's able to break tackles atthe rate he was breaking before.

Jacob (54:40):
Yeah.
Okay.

you know,

It's insane.

like film study of the lines or my little
watching the lines hererecently.
What I found amazing though, hedoesn't receive the ball a lot
and when you if you just thinkof it, you're thinking, man,
this guy does everything but youknow, he he doesn't have a lot.
I think he had like one game.
We had like six receptions butnothing.
He doesn't have any games likefour outside of that.
He's not really a factor in inthe screen game which I feel

(55:24):
like.
That's what I would use him allthe time on, you know, I would
use him.
Like we used to use ChrisThompson.

Jacob (55:29):
Okay.

basically use them as an actual running back.
And it doesn't feel that way onout until you like, look at it.

I will say that, especially with David
Montgomery's health, they're,they're not on the field
together.
So, you know, he's basically onthe field half the time in an
ideal situation.
Montgomery's on half, thatlimits his chances.
There's been all sorts of talkabout, you know, especially
every, you know, They'll slicetraining camp of him getting
Gibbs on the field at the sametime as Montgomery.

(56:04):
What the Lions are all about arecreating mismatches.
So you want Gibbs up against alinebacker as opposed to a slot
corner.
Because if we got him up againstslot corner, we already have, we
have Amin Ra, Khalif.
Those guys are wide receivers.
They're better at running theslot than Jameer would be.
So it's all about creatingmismatches.
On another team, I bet youJameer runs, has a lot more

(56:26):
catches.
He's probably featured a littlebit more, but the reason why
he's so strong late in the yearis that he's not getting
overused early in the year.

He's got less miles put on him.
Thanks for that time.
Share.
He's just been, he's justreally, really, really
efficient,

Jacob (56:40):
Yeah.
All

is

Jacob (56:40):
right.

He's only started four games
technically on the book size,but I, what I looked at, which
is insane for the numbers he'sputting up

Yeah, well, I mean,

insanely.

basically, I don't know how they're going to
do in this playoff game, becauseit really depends on Dave and
Montgomery, but generallyMontgomery gets the first
series.
So he gets technically gets thestart and then Gibbs will come.
They flip flop series is howthey typically do it.
Now playoffs thing.
They'll change things.
They did last year that Gibbsplayed a lot more in the
playoffs last year.

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And then Montgomery's got thewild card of being injured.
So I don't know, I don't knowhow they're going to do it this
year or this week, but that'llbe a good.
Yeah.
Story for the game for sure.
All right, guys, we've got acouple of questions.
We'll wrap up with a couple ofquestions.
First is I want to know, we'llstart with you, Steve.
And then Dev, I want you toanswer as to who's going to have

(57:28):
more rush yards in this game.
You got Austin Eckler Robinsonor Jane Daniels, who, if you had
to pick out those three, whowho's going to have the most
rushing yards for thecommanders, not, not the whole
game.

It said, Jane Daniels.
It's been that way for the lastsix weeks, maybe of the season.
Bryan Robinson has been trendingdown.
It's a, it's combined with anincrease, a decrease in the, in
the quality of our offensiveline.
You know, the first half of theseason, we're we're kind of
behind.
If you guys are familiar withfootball, you know, line play,
we're, we're pulling, pullingguards.

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We're running counter trays.
We're running traps.
We're running the, theWashington you know, Redskins
offense from the, from the JoeGibbs era, the power running
football, everyone's pullingtight ends are pulling, we're
running, you know, three tightends to one side of the field,
and we just kind of stoppeddoing that.
And so our run game has becomeanemic.
Outside of Jane Daniels, who'screating those things by
himself, you know, on nakedboots or read options.

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So I think it's going to be JaneDaniels a hundred percent.
Although I think Eckler probablyhave more yards than Brian
Robbins because Eckler's back.
He's just so fast.
His feet are so fast.
He has great vision and BrianRobinson just lacks a vision.
So I, give me, give me JaneDaniels and leading the charge
for the Russian game for thecommanders.

What

Yeah, I agree.
agree.
I it'd be Jaden, Jaden, Jaden,Jaden all day.
And I think the reason westopped running cause we
realized Jaden was good.
I think at that point, werealized that, ah, we'll just go
with this guy.
He's way better with the ball inhis hands than Robinson.
Let's go with this guy.
That's what it felt.
Whenever, when Eckler went downwith the concussions, it felt

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like that without Eckler in thelineup alongside of him taking
the pressure off Robinson, itfelt like he just wasn't running
as good.
Like you can look at all theother running backs draw on the
four points of but in the lastsix or so, but his is like 2.
9.
Like, he

Yeah.

he just leans on the offensive line as soon as he
gets to the line.
I can't figure out if it's ifhe's got the yips or something.
It's something weird going on.
I, I can't explain it.
It all started with the Dallasgame.
We fumbled those three times.
He hasn't been good since.
Still young.
Hopefully we'll get Jante orsomeone in the draft this year.

You know, in

Jacob (59:38):
well, when your quarterback and stiff arm
somebody on 3rd and 1 and make abig play like that, you know,

Oh,

Jacob (59:44):
what do you need the running back for?

you know.

well, I'll tell you, David, chasing
him with a towel, running themdown.
So Chris Rodriguez is the guywho a lot of us like in the
Washington space.
He doesn't get enoughrecognition.
He's been cut twice and broughtback every time he's on, he gets
the ball.
He just, but He falls forwardand finds those positive, you
know, yardage.
He's almost averaging like fiveyard, five yards.
I carry.
And he just never plays, nevergets the ball.

(01:00:09):
You hardly see him, but everytime he comes in, he just, and
it's, it's very little time.
So we'd love to see more ChrisRodriguez.
I doubt we will though.
Cause he was an active againstthe bucks.
Unfortunately.
So they love Brian Robinson forwhatever reason.

Jacob (01:00:22):
Rodriguez, I think he's from Kentucky, right?
He was really good in college.

Steve / Command This! Podc (01:00:26):
guy.
Yep.

Jacob (01:00:29):
Right?

Jason Harwood (01:00:31):
Hmm.

@Hello_Im_Dev (01:00:33):
little guy.

Jacob (01:00:35):
Alright, last question.
What are your predictions forthe game?
So it doesn't have to be thescore, just anything about the
game that you think is gonnahappen.
If you had to make a predictionfor something, it's gonna
happen.

Oh, I'll go first.

Steve / Command This! Podcas (01:00:51):
Go ahead.

Lions averaged 33 points a game.
We averaged 28.
We, I think you guys averagedmore points against, isn't
really a fair.
I think you guys averagedallowed 20.
1.
We averaged 23 against.

Jacob (01:01:12):
Yeah.

30 to 27.
Washington.
I'm going to go I love Eminem,man, but I'm picking my, you
know a

Jacob (01:01:28):
Nice.

sorry, mama.
Yeah.
You think so?

He said he

Jacob (01:01:32):
Usually.

Yeah.
He used to get to suite.
He was at the Minnesota game.
and they will, the lions, Pete,whatever, hype crew, whatever.
They will they will put him upwhen we need the crowd the
loudest because he definitelyhypes up.
Everyone loves Eminem andDetroit.
And they did

Steve / Command This! Pod (01:01:53):
Nice.

two,

very

they did two

much.
Bye bye.

was on the sidelines for that game.
And apparently on the TV, theyhad them all over, over, you
know, the whole game and

Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.

and the crowd, it got the loudest it had been in
the stadium.
So they do the same thing withEminem.
When they need the crowd to getextra loud, they'll.
Play lose yourself and thenturns it to a concert for a
second and then they'll showEminem up in his sweet box with
Haley and you know, other familymembers.
And yeah, it's, it's live.
So

So he's almost like a, he's almost
like a de facto ambassador forthe lines from a, from a star
perspective.
We're still building that aroundhere.
We got,

always, I always thought it was RoboCop.
I'm sorry.
I'm

Jacob (01:02:43):
Yeah.

so we have, we have Matthew
McConaughey and Dale and HartJr, probably our biggest.
You know, known fans.
Well, yeah, Wale.
Yeah.
Wale.
But,

Jacob (01:02:53):
Yeah.

yeah, Matthew McConaughey is probably
the biggest one for us.

no hands on.

Steve / Command This! Podca (01:02:57):
For me, for me, I'm a little more
skeptical.
I think it's going to be like30, 27 lines.
You know, we're going to, we'regoing to hit the over.
I think the over 55 and a half.
I think we'll bust the over.
I think that the commanderswill, will cover that nine and a
half for sure.

Jacob (01:03:10):
Yeah, yeah,

Have been the last seven games we
played.
We won and we've won them fromthe very last game.
From scrimmage.
And I think it's going to be Ijust, this team has just been
found, found a way to stayresilient and the way to just go
back and forth with everything.
Everyone with everyone.
This will be the, this will be atrue measuring stick for this
team.

(01:03:35):
we'll fall a little bit short30, 30 to 27, but you know, like
we talked about earlier, this ishouse money for us.
Like win, lose, or draw happy tobe here.
This is experience.
Cause it takes, you gottawinning.
You gotta learn how to win, youknow, and this is year one of a
rebuild.
So, know, if we lose, I'll bepissed, but I'm not going to,
I'm just happy to be here, man.

(01:03:56):
We, this team is way furtheralong than it should be.
What Dev, am I supposed to saythey're going to win?

Yeah, look, look, man,

I'm subjective, man.

this is, this is, this is, this is just we're so
used to getting beat up everyyear.
We're not used to being good.
So everybody says, oh, we're notsupposed to be good, but man, we
got 11 pro ball alternates andfour all pros

Yeah.
I

how much better you're supposed to be, bro.
We got 12 wins, man.
what I'm saying?
12 wins, 4 All Pros, 11 Pro BowlAlternates.
Now, you're supposed to expectto win.
You're not supposed to expect togo out there, Oh, I hope we do
well.
You know, that's crazy talk,man.
We're not the Giants, bro.
We're not the Bears, man.

(01:04:36):
They're in Cabo somewhere.

mean, you guys did lose.
You guys lost to the bucksearlier in the season who we
just beat.

Jacob (01:04:44):
yeah,

you lost to the bills too, who, you
know, a lot of people lose tothe bills.
They're one of the best teams inthe NFL.

were don't lose a bill.
We'll be two winning teams, bro.
They're the worst division infootball.

Steve / Command This! Podcast (01:04:53):
I mean, we did the same thing.
We barely, we, I don't know howmany winning teams we beat.
One.

my point.
That's my point.
Steve.
See, they do the same thing wedo, but nobody says, oh man, I'm
surprised.
They're winning 12 games, butthey're surprised.
We're winning.
We got we got more all pros andPro Bowls in the bills.
Kansas City Chiefs ain't evengot a Pro

Jacob (01:05:10):
yeah, yeah.

even

It's the chiefs though.

this year.
They

Steve / Command This! P (01:05:14):
they're

bowler.
They got one pro bowler ondefense.
And they got and they're thenumber one defense in the NFL.
Explain it.
But

15, 16.

pro balls and it's four all pros, two on
defense.
And then you, and everybody'stelling me, man, we're just,
we're just happy to be here.
No, man, you, you should expectto win.

Jacob (01:05:37):
Well, that's about the expectation level, right?
Like before the season with therookie quarterback, the new head
coach, I mean, you know, no onereally knew what to expect.
You talk about, you know,

me

Jacob (01:05:45):
in the preseason talking towards next year and now you've
got the target and now everyone,the expectations are higher.

exactly, you

Seven wins.
Seven wins.

like six, seven wins.
I would have been happy withfive or six.
I've been like, Hey man, we'regoing to get milk.
But hey, that was the end, dawg.
That was four all pros and 11pro ball alternates ago.

Jacob (01:06:04):
Yeah.

I'd

just saying.

I'd say this is how we felt.
I don't know about Jacob.
to speak for you, but going inthe NFC championship last year,
a lot of people use that termthat you use Steve house money.
Like, Oh,

Yeah.
Silence.

the last 60 years.
And now we're in the NFCchampionship game.
going into that game, I thoughtSan Francisco was a better team.
I thought, okay, I just want tohave a good showing.
I want to show that we belong.
The lions belong in this game.
And, but then we showed that wemore than belong and we probably
should have won that game.

(01:06:43):
Have we not blown it in thesecond half?
But.
It's all built on expectation.
So I could get where you're bothyour viewpoints are and get
where yours is.
Steve, you're happy to be there.
I mean, you're looking at thefuture and you're thinking, Hey,
we, you know, we got somethingto build on and dev.
I like your, I like your, youknow, your attitude too.
Like, no, we shouldn't be happyjust to be here.

(01:07:04):
We should, we, we can win thisgame.
like that.
I like both your viewpoints andI think they're both valid.
It's all about expectations andSiva.
I think that you think, Hey, we,I, not that you're discounting
your team, but you're justtrying to be, not Homer ish, I
guess is what, you

Yeah, I, I take the emotion out of it.
I'm very subjective, you know,not, I don't say we're going to
win every game.
I've picked us to lose manytimes this year.
We, we didn't I just, you know,this one thing I will point out
though, this team has been likea team of destiny.
It's been really crazy how wewon a lot of these games this
year.
It's just really hard to explainto anyone who hasn't been

(01:07:43):
watching.
It's, it's,

Jacob (01:07:45):
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Yeah.

think we should have won.
We ended up winning, you know,we, we, we ripped off, you know,
four in a row, then three in arow, then we won our last six.
It's like, holy smokes.
So there, there's something tothat too, but you know, from the
odds makers in Vegas, they, theygo off facts, they go off what
they see and you know, they're,they're spotting, they're
spotting nine and a half.
So there is something to thattoo.

I think if you, some edgy judges sparked an idea
of my like Dan Campbell, youknow, when we were losing all
those games then, you know, inthree and 13, then we went one
and six to start his secondyear.
He basically said, we just needto figure out how to win games.
We're there.
We're just losing them.
And You know, one play here, oneplay there.

(01:08:32):
And you guys to have figuredthat out in the first year of
this rebuild, that's, I mean,part of that's, you know, having
a rookie quarterback, that'splaying way higher than
expectations.
And you know, that the fact thathe's already tried to fix, you
know, he's already figured outhow to win these close games,
that's only going to servebetter for you guys in the

(01:08:52):
future.

And, and, and one of the things I
admire about the lions is, youknow, when they were in hard
knocks and people were, wereclowning, not clowning, they
were like, Dan Campbell justhired a bunch of.
Players for coaches for hisstaff.
We'll look, look, look at them.
Now, those players end up beingfantastic coaches, Mark Brunel,
you know, Glenn, like these guysended up being really, really,
really good coaches.
And I feel like it was a modelthe commanders kind of followed

(01:09:18):
the Dan Quinn kind of followed,you know, you build your team
with talent, but instead ofplayers, Dan Quinn found a bunch
of former head coaches.
So we have a lot, you know, wehave the head coaching
experience on our, on our staffwith Kingsbury and Anthony land.
So, and so that, that.
the lion's model is a good modelof fun.
I think we're kind of followingit, you know, tangentially, but

(01:09:38):
I think we're, we're followingthat same model.
So defensive coach, you know,the head head coach, defensive
coach, we have a defensivecoach, offensive corner and talk
about getting plucked.
They're talking about pluckingour offensive coordinator.
So that's just the nature of thebeast when you have a defensive
head coach.

Yeah, I, I think the thing that gets lost when
you can't, you can't duplicate.
Like, oh, we should just hireformer players.
No, you have to hire the rightformer players.
You got to have people that knowball.
I mean, they're going to commandrespect from their players just
because they've been in thatspot.
So you have that starting goingforward, but if you do not make
that player better, if thatcoach doesn't make that player

(01:10:14):
better, they're going to tunethat guy out, just like they're
going to tune a guy out thatdidn't ever play.
of ball in his life.
They, you, the player, the coat,the players want to get better
and they want to win and thecoach better provide that for
him.
That's why like, everyone'slike, who's going to hire the
next day and Campbell, DanCampbell is a one of one.
Okay.
The guy that can lead, I'm notsaying that there's no one, not

(01:10:35):
a better coach.
I'm not saying that, but I'msaying you can't just go in and
say, oh, we're going to hire thenext Dan Campbell.
No one like him.
He leads unlike anybody else.
He gets people to fall behind,you know, get in line.
Everyone's in lock and step inthis organization.
It's really, it's really nice tosee.
Not saying that what the modelyou need to take is you need to

(01:10:57):
find leaders.
Like that's what he's hired.
Aaron Glenn's a leader.
Ben Johnson's a leader.
Those are guys that will follow.
And that's the model that youneed to take.
It's not about hiring, you know,the next Dan Campbell.
It's about taking that overall,like everyone needs to be in
lockstep.
And, you know, it's hard toexplain, but you just can't,

(01:11:21):
like you said, the commandersare taking their own, they're
taking that little model, butthey're taking it to

Yeah,

doing their own thing.

for sure.
And these guys would run througha wall for Dan Quinn.
It's crazy.
The camaraderie he's built tothis locker room.
We, we, we thought we had thatwith Brown a very little bit,
but it's just different, likethese guys, all they talk about
is each other and Dan Quinn.
All they talk about is coachQuinn.
Like how many times we dev, Ican't tell you last time players
talked so good about coach asopposed to this year.
And we have one of our assistantquarterbacks coaches, your guys,

(01:11:50):
former backup quarterback andDavid Blau.

Jacob (01:11:52):
Yeah,

Just doing it out there too.
So

I liked David Blownhardt and Knox too, when he
was there in the Lions.

Jacob (01:11:58):
yeah.

I do remember that.

You know, I would take it back to Ron Rivera.
Probably got a bad shake justbecause of the ownership group.
I mean,

Steve / Command This! Podcast (01:12:05):
a hundred percent, a hundred
percent.

cause like I like Ron Rivera when he was with
Carolina, you know, I don't wanthim to go to the bears because I
don't want.

Yeah.

to have a good like leadership person over
there.
I don't, they don't need any ofthat over, you know, in our
division, but I, you know, Ithink for me, Ron Rivera,
probably just got, I don't thinkhe's a bad coach.
He just had, you know, just badownership group and they just
couldn't get it.
You know, the

Yeah.
If, if they had have justallowed him to coach, I think
he'd been fine.
He was also, not only, he was acoach, he was a guru, spirit
advisor, shaman.
He was every, you know, dad thatguy like washing cars in the
driveway, you know,

Jacob (01:12:44):
Okay.

lights off at night.

GM.

just bring'em here to clean that.
Just bring'em here.
Know plunge toilets too whileyou're at it.
You know, that's what we stillend up with.
Sewage on the field.
Ha ha.
Remember that incident?
You know, but definitely, youknow, if he had just been here
to coach, I think his careerwould have been better.
You know, Dan Snyder is just aterrible, terrible, terrible,
terrible, terrible, terribleperson and owner.

(01:13:10):
So

Owner and yeah, just a human being in

yeah.

Yes.
A hundred percent.

Yeah.
right.
We appreciate you guys being outfor so long.
This has been an awesomeconversation.
I hope you guys enjoyed it asmuch as we do.
And we're still invited fortomorrow on your show.

Steve / Command Thi (01:13:25):
Absolutely.

scores.
You never told us y'all scores.

us to do our, we

Yeah.
I want to know what y'all goingto say.

Jacob doesn't like to do this.
He thinks he's superstitious.

We have a lot of people that don't
do it either.
So it's

Jacob (01:13:38):
I don't want to jinx anything.
So, you know, that's my wholething.

going to win.
He told me before the podcast,he

Jacob (01:13:44):
No, no, no, no,

don't tell Jason.
Well, y'all going to beat us.
That's what he said.

I,

Jacob (01:13:49):
no.
52 to nothing.

Yeah.

Jacob (01:13:51):
I'm just kidding.
Yeah.

And it was, is what he

yeah, I don't know the commander score is
going to be.
I don't want to put any pointson you guys.
I, I feel we're going north of40.
just going to

said.
Y'all going to put 40 burger onus.

think

We're going to get 42.

I will see.
I mean, it's fine.

Jacob (01:14:09):
That could happen.

be there cheering and I won't have a voice on
Sunday.
And if it's 40 lines, as long asthe lines come out on top
whatever, if we get to move tothe next round, but I think the
lines are going to be reallymotivated and come out and, and
I think they're going to starthot, especially having that week
off, I think they're going to beready to go.
That's my personal feeling, butJacob,

y'all rest.

Are you going to, you want to keep it to yourself?

Jacob (01:14:34):
if we're saying points, I'll say we're hovering around
30.

You're

Jacob (01:14:38):
don't know that we'll score 40, but I mean, you know,
I hope you're right.

Yeah, I, I feel

Jacob (01:14:43):
It's also the faster we score, the faster we give, you
know, the more opportunities wegive them to score.
You know, so,

yeah.

Jacob (01:14:49):
why I'm on the bills.

Yes.
48

Yeah.

that score.
Oh man.
All right.
So Steve, Dev, why don't youtell our listeners where they
could find you and what you gotguys going on this playoff week,

Yep.
I'm Steve Lim underscore DC, oryou can follow command this at
command underscore this on X.
We're also on Instagram andFacebook, all the socials.
We live stream every Monday andThursday with a pregame
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You can catch us anywhere.
Just Google.
Command this podcast and youwill, you will see us there.
And we're at our, we have ourpregame you guys as our honored

(01:15:24):
guests.
And we'll be back Monday for thepost game, regardless of how
that works out.
So thanks for having us.
And hope to see you guys outthere.

Dev, where they, can they

Jacob (01:15:32):
All

as Steve, Commander's Podcast Mondays and
Thursdays 830 Eastern, 730Central.
we do a live on a Facebook, Imean, not Facebook, we're
YouTube, you can, and Twitter.
You can follow us on Spotify aswell, man which is where I
listen to it everywhere

Jacob (01:15:56):
right.

Yeah, well, we want to thank you guys for
coming on.
I checked you guys's podcastsout before I got on.
So I knew I would, what I wasgetting into.
I knew we were in good hands andyou guys did not disappoint.
So thank you very much.

Steve / Command This! Po (01:16:08):
Thanks for having us guys.
It's been a pleasure.

All right, Jacob.
Those guys are a lot of fun tohave on, so I,

Jacob (01:16:16):
Absolutely.

time.
Yeah, was good.
And we play them next year, sohopefully we get a chance to out
with those guys a little bitmore.
All right, Jacob.
This is it.
This is the key point.
We're, we're in playoff time,right?
So we got to get to our keys ofvictory.
I'm gonna let you start off.
What's your first key tovictory?

Jacob (01:16:36):
I feel like I say this all the time, but you know what?
Play lions football.
We just, we have to run, we haveto run the ball.
We have to run the ball.
Well, let that open up playaction.
Let Jared golf, you know, catchthem sleeping.
It can be done.
You know, the run defense istowards the bottom.
Obviously this is the playoffs.
They're going to be coming outwith everything that they have.

(01:16:58):
We've got a bye week.
I trust that they're gonna beprepared.
We we have to have successrunning the football.

Yeah, I agree with that.
We, we're talking about theguys, Steve made the point that
commanders are quick to adjustat halftime and they seem to be
able to bottle the run up afterthat.
could be too late for them bythat time, if we're already
running.
And also they have not faced anoffensive line like the Detroit
lions.

(01:17:25):
And that is when the lionsrunning game really starts
getting cooked and is in thesecond half when we are, We're
smelling a victory and we justneed to keep the ball.
And I have a feeling DaveMontgomery is going to be fired
up for this game.
And I hope that he comes backfull strength and be able to
help us out.
Cause

Jacob (01:17:46):
Definitely.

punch back, it's going to be awesome.

Jacob (01:17:49):
Well, that's what helps in the second half, too, is the
fact that defense is gonna beworn out.
And, you know, by that point,you've got Jameer Gibbs that
maybe he's only touched the balllike eight or nine times.
He's fresh and he's ready tobreak off, you know, 60, 70 yard
run.
If you're, you know.
He's a linebacker, he's adefensive lineman, they're gonna
be tired battling.

I agree.
And then, like you said, get,they get tired and then they
start getting punchy anddropping up the line.
And we hit him with a play extrapass and hit Amin Ra, James or
Sam Laporta over the middle,boom.
And, we could take advantage ofthem that, that way too.
My key to victory is.

(01:18:29):
Similar to what we did with SamDarnold rattle, we got in Sam
Darnold's kitchen and we rattledthem.
We need to, the crowd needs tobe into it.
We need to get Jane Daniels offhis game.
He showed incredible composurethis year.
I watched that whole playoffgame with the Bucs.
The moment never seemed too big

Jacob (01:18:48):
Okay.

pocket and just him throw and not use his legs.
That's going to be the mostimportant part.

Jacob (01:19:06):
Yes, I'm interested to see, you know, can he be
rattled?
He's a rookie.
We don't really know yet.
You know, we knew it darn all weget to him.
And I mean, things start tobreak down.
You don't know if that's thecase with this guy.
And you're right.
The pressure never seemed liketoo much last week.
He had that one play where hetook that shot, you know, had
the cut, they ended up having tolike tape up and everything like
that.
Didn't slow him down.
He didn't hesitate.

(01:19:27):
He's still stiff arm in thatlinebacker towards the end of
the game.
I mean, you know, this kid'sready to play.
So my next key to victory, youknow, with that is just we have
to make sure that they.
We have to limit their third andfourth and short.
You know, they're like us.
If they have a fourth and twothere, you have no shame in
going for it.
You know, third and one, it'sgonna be very hard to stop that

(01:19:48):
team.
And if we do stop'em on thirddown, they're probably gonna try
for it again on fourth.
And when you have somebody likeJayden Daniels, you know, they,
the playbook's wide open, youdon't know what they're gonna
do.
So I think if we limit them youknow, to those short yard
abilities, that's gonna go along way and help us get more
stops on defense.

agree.
It's.
Their run game, we just need tolike, like you said, treat third
down, like second down, likekind of how the lions do.
So if they get to a third andfive, there's no, they have no
problem running the ball and youbetter be ready for that.
Cause if they could get thefourth and two, then they're
super hard to stop.

(01:20:27):
Cause they got RPO, they got,whatever Jane Daniels went.
They, they can run him andthat's going to be just
difficult to stop.
So we just need to keep thembehind the sticks.
Don't let the run game.
Don't let them get into anythingthird and manageable.
Keep it, keep it long.
Daniels was just so hard.
It's going to just stop on thosein the bucks game.

(01:20:49):
He was constantly able to getDick send to get the first
downs.
It's going to be reallyimportant for our linebackers to
read their keys and stay, know,on our edge people to.
Stay disciplined and hold theedge and do not crash too hard
and let everybody do their job.

Jacob (01:21:08):
Definitely.
I mean, they're, you know, themobile quarterback thing has
haunted the lions of perceptionsthat we, you know, can't hang
with the mobile quarterback.
So, you know, they just carve usup.
And that hasn't been the casethis year.
We just have to stick to whatwe've been doing.
And, you know, I trust thatAaron Glenn is going to have a
good game plan.
He's going to call it the rightway.

Yep.
Right.
I'm all trust in Aaron Glenn.
He put up a monster game planagainst Minnesota.
He's had two weeks.
I know that he had Theybasically, I, from what the
lions, sounds like from theircoaches, they didn't plan ahead
for any of the teams.
That first week was a lot ofself correction.
They did, they did like somethird down stuff.

(01:21:49):
It was a lot of self assessmentbecause you think about the
lines, they didn't have their biweek was so early week five, how
are you going to self scout forfour weeks?
It's early in the season.
They're closer to training campthan they are to the end of the
season.
This coaching staff typicallywould do a lot of self
correction in the first week, alot of self assessment.
We weren't afforded thatopportunity.

(01:22:10):
So they use that this, thisfirst week.
So I look for them to lookalike, a lot of their tendencies
to correct a lot of that andjust.
Be ready for, for the moment,and we're going to have to
rattle this quarterback.
I don't, like you said, I don't

Jacob (01:22:26):
Yes,

even if it's not necessarily the rattle and Jane,
Jane Daniels, it's getting theiroffensive line to jump off side,
it's getting a delay.
A game, those five yards are soimportant.
And I would be, I mean, my overunder on.
Would be like three and a half,whether ball starts delay of
games or timeouts, forcing themto call an early timeout.

(01:22:56):
You get someone to call an earlytimeout and what could be a
close game, like in the thirdquarter.
That's.
That's a win getting to burnthat time out, and then we get
the ball back at the end of thegame and we can run an extra 40
seconds off the clock because,made them burn a timeout.

Jacob (01:23:12):
yes

you got any new, I got some other stats that I
think are important to look atwhen you come into this game.
Do you

Jacob (01:23:17):
yeah, go ahead.

to victory?
All

Jacob (01:23:19):
no.

So Washington uses man coverage at the fifth
highest rate.
In the NFL, which is very goodfor the Lions because Jared Goff
excels at man, destroying mancoverage.
He had a league high 71.
3 percent completion percentageman this year.
threw 20 touchdown passes andnot a single interception with

Jacob (01:23:44):
Like those numbers.

Yeah.
So that's good.
Deep Washington runs a lot ofman.
Great, great for us.
I look for Sam Laporta to have agood, to continue his hot
streak.
I think he's going to be vital.
He's going to.
He's going to be a first downmachine.
I had talked about, I think in,I don't know, in the bi week, I
don't know which podcast Iexpected him to have a really

(01:24:06):
good playoffs.
He, in weeks 13 through 18, hegenerated 273 receiving yards on
target target, I'm sorry, excuseme, on targets in the seams,
most among 10, 10 ends.
It was only one of five 10 endsto catch multiple touchdowns.
Those are all the next genstats.

Jacob (01:24:24):
Yeah,

He started out slow this year, but he's come on
late.
And I expect him to justcontinue that in the playoffs.

Jacob (01:24:32):
definitely.

Another player that we might be able to attack
is Marshawn Lattimore.
Mike Evans.
Ate his lunch out last week andMarshawn Lattimore is a very
good player, but he's obviouslyplaying injured.
We talked about it with the boysover at command.
This secretary is all aboutcommunication.

(01:24:54):
He's coming in late and thecommunications obviously not
there.
You got a great route runner ina month.
I'm in rock.
You get matched up with MarshawnLattimore.
That's a huge advantage for AminRa.
And I expect them to takeadvantage of that.
All right, Jacob, anything moreyou want to add?

Jacob (01:25:14):
No, man, I'm ready.

I am, I am so ready for this game.
I can't wait to be there.
I'm glad it's Saturday night.
Cause then we get to like, weboth have, do you have Sunday
off?

Jacob (01:25:27):
Yes.
Yes.

Yeah.
So we got Sunday off.
We can just live in that.
Zone for a little bit and hope,if it

Jacob (01:25:35):
Hopefully it's a victory Sunday.

Yeah.
If it comes out the way we thinkit's gonna happen.
And we got a week, we got oneweek to, to gear up for another
huge matchup.
So let's get into our gritpicks.
All right.
Jacob, how'd we fare last week?

Jacob (01:25:56):
All right.
Chargers at Houston.
Morgan picked with us last week.
So Chargers at Houston, allthree of us pick the Chargers.
That was just.
It was an ugly game, you know,Justin Herbert, what a time to
have the worst game, you know,of your season, his receivers
weren't really doing him anyfavors either, but it just, you
know, drive after drive, justcouldn't get it together and you

(01:26:17):
know, the Texans, I think theywere behind like six to nothing,
almost at the end of the firsthalf when they scored the
touchdown, just a really weirdgame.

CJ's.
CJ Stroud throws picks in thefirst half and you still go in
halftime losing 10 to six.
And so deflating

Jacob (01:26:37):
Right, right.
Yeah, we, we all picked thecharters, we all expected more,
and I mean, honestly, watchingthe first half of the game, I
still expected the charters tocome out and pull that out, and
they did not.
Steelers at Ravens, we allpicked the Ravens, thought it
was gonna be pretty, you know, Apretty rough game for the
Steelers, and it was.
They just, you know, looked likethey didn't belong.

They did not look like a Steelers team.
They did not look like theyplayed hard.
I, don't know.
And then Mike Tomlin not goingfor it on fourth and one or
whatever.
I don't care

Jacob (01:27:11):
Yeah.

field you are on.
I know that we're in the wholeDan Campbell mode, but you're
the Steelers going againstBaltimore Ravens, like the
number two offense.
You're going to need to keep upwith them.
You cannot keep giving themchances.
They, they needed Steelers needto take chances on their own and
not play conservatively.
And I like Mike Tomlin, but Idid not agree with those

(01:27:35):
decisions.

Jacob (01:27:37):
Yes.
No, me neither.
It was just weird.

All right.
Denver at Buffalo.
I pick Buffalo.
Jacob picked Denver.
Look, started out.
Right.
I was waiting for a text fromyou.
Like after a Bo Nix

Jacob (01:27:51):
Yeah.

long touchdown, I, it, the text never came.
I thought for sure.
You're going to be gloating.
Like I called

Jacob (01:27:57):
You know, my friend is a Broncos fan, and after that
first touchdown, I texted him, Ijust said, BOOM, all capital
letters.
And that was the only boom theBroncos had.
It just went really far downhillafter that.

It did.
It did.
Even Sean Payton, called out thefake punt.
Jack Fox would have been proudof the throw the punter made
over there.
And then they ended up having topunt again, right

Jacob (01:28:22):
Right.

drive.
So just really deflating.
All right.
Next game, we'll look at JacobGreen Bay at Philly.
How, how'd we pick that one?

Jacob (01:28:31):
Well, I picked Philly.
You picked Green Bay.
I don't know if that was Wishelthinking because you wanted to
play Green Bay or you justwanted Philly to lose.

Yeah,

Jacob (01:28:38):
don't know, member.

both, but

Jacob (01:28:41):
Jordan Love looked terrible.

Well, I will say that the NFC North was a big
winner because of what you justsaid.
Jordan Love looked terrible.
Both those NFC Northquarterbacks we'll get to the
other game later on.
Just really pooped the poop, thebad

Jacob (01:28:56):
Right.
Ha ha.

yeah, just, yeah, look bad.
Washington at Tampa.
So the team that we're going toface this week came out on top.
We have both picked Washingtonand it came to fruition.
That was a fun game that we hadtalked about leading in that we
thought that this would be themost competitive game and it
truly was, and that was a lot offun to watch.

Jacob (01:29:17):
Yes, no, it was a great game.

Yeah.
I, I didn't realize like quartersnuck up on me like towards the
end.
And then, commanders just hadthat thing where they would go
for it on fourth down and theybasically they're running the
clock all the way down.
And you realize.
Tampa Bay is not going to getanother chance with this ball in
this game.
And yeah, it was, and then youhear the doink and

Jacob (01:29:45):
Yeah

did you know it went in right away?

Jacob (01:29:49):
I thought that it went in.
I mean, it wasn't like howtypical, you know, it was far
enough on the inside of thepost, it looked like it went in.
But, you know, there's a secondwhere you freeze, like, oh man,
you're waiting for the ref,like,

I know.

Jacob (01:29:59):
I can't imagine being a Commanders fan, like,

god.
I can't imagine that either.
Maybe we'll ask the command Wedidn't talk about that during
the

Jacob (01:30:06):
right?

we'll we'll maybe ask them how they felt about
that.
Tomorrow when we talk to thoseguys All right, jacob.
Let's talk about the last gamethis game that was on monday
night minnesota at los angeles.
How'd we pick that one?
Okay.

Jacob (01:30:18):
We, we said the Rams were gonna do it, and we Did not
believe in Sam Donald and theVikings we both picked the Rams
and you know It was even worsethan I thought it was gonna be I
didn't think it was gonna be agood game for the Vikings
Especially, you know earlier inthe season They lost the game to
us and then they played the Ramsright after and they lost the
game to the Rams Didn't have agood game, you know, but this

(01:30:40):
was just So bad for Sam Darnoldand the Vikings.
I mean, really Darnold playedterrible, but I kind of think
that you know, Kevin O'Connellgot out coach there too.
I mean, it just was, the schemewasn't working, nothing was
working for the Vikings and itjust was almost like they laid
down there at the end of just,you know, they didn't really
threaten at all.

(01:31:01):
And then they're still trying torun the ball towards the end.
And, you know, it's just notworking.
Yeah.
Just really weird.

Yeah, it was really weird.
I mean, Sam Darnold costhimself, did the lions break
him?
Was the pressure break him?
I, I don't know.
I felt kind of disappointed thatthe Rams were able to keep that
offense under wraps.
It like made me second, think oflike what we had done the week
before.
Is it this easy?
But no, the Vikings had playedwell all season.

(01:31:29):
So I just think the.
Sam Darnold lost himself in thepressure and, superior coaches
won that even though KevinO'Connell may win coach of the
year, which would be reallydisappointing after how his game
looked in the last two weeks.

Jacob (01:31:44):
That'd be a consolation prize for him.

Yeah, I, if Dan Campbell doesn't win, I'm, I'm
going to be upset about that.
All

Jacob (01:31:53):
We talked about this.
Historically, they don't give itto the best teams like that, so.

I know.

Jacob (01:31:58):
He's most deserving, absolutely, but.

Yeah, it's just with the injuries and
everything, what we've had toovercome this

Jacob (01:32:05):
Right.

not many teams could do that.
So

Jacob (01:32:07):
No.

he deserves it.
And, I the vote came out afterthe Minnesota.
Viking Sam.
So I'm hoping that how we playedin that game, how the teams
looked plays a factor into thatand pushes our guy over the top,
but.

Jacob (01:32:24):
Yep.

We'll see how it goes.
All right.
Let's move on to this week'sgame.
Jacob first game is going to beHouston at Kansas city.
A game.
I'm really looking forward to,we've talked about this a fair
amount at work today.
And I don't know where you'regoing to lean.
I'll go first.
I'm going to say Kansas citydoes pull this one out.
However, I know the spread'slarge on this one.

(01:32:47):
I could see either team winningthis, but I'm going to go with
Kansas city.

Jacob (01:32:51):
Yeah, agreed.
I mean, this could go any way.
Honestly, I think the Texanscould just blow away the Chiefs.
I also think the Chiefs couldsurprise and beat the Texans by
double digits.
I think the difference for thisis just going to be that the
Chargers shot themselves in thefoot so much last week.
The Texans gave them plenty ofopportunities to take and they
just didn't do anything with it.
The Chiefs are a veteran team,so they're not going to make as

(01:33:14):
many mistakes and they're, theyare going to make you pay when
you make those mistakes.
So I do think the Chiefs aregoing to win this game.

Yeah, I think you're right on that assessment
that chiefs are not going tomake those, they're not going to
have those errors.
However, if there's any defenseset up to, be the chiefs, the
chiefs offense is not all, hasnot been superior this, this
year, but I mean, I think theedge players for Houston could
get to Patrick Mahomes and ifthey get him to throw a pick, an

(01:33:45):
untimely attack.
They.
They might be able to takeadvantage of that.
So we'll, we'll see.
I think Kansas City wins, but Isee a situation where Houston,
Houston wins this game too.

Jacob (01:33:56):
Yes.

So the next game on the docket is the game that
we're both most excited to seeit's Washington at We do not
pick the game, but we're goingto pick an over under in this
game.
And the over under right now wasset at 55 and a half.
Jacob you go first.
Are you going over or under 55and a half?

Jacob (01:34:17):
I think you still have to go over.
I mean, our defense lookedreally good last time and you
know, hopefully, hopefully we'reable to put some more stops up
and you know, Control the ball alittle bit longer, you know,
with the bills game.
I don't mention that already,but you know, we scored Often as
well So then they scored off andyou know That's how the score

(01:34:38):
got so high and got a little bitout of hand If we get back to
what we're normally doing andhave those longer drives, you
know They take five, six minutesoff the clock and then we're
able to score and stop themthen, you know, then I could see
a situation where it's going tobe under and we still win by a
lot.
But if I'm a betting man on thisone, I think I'm going to say
over

I'm going to go with the over on this too.
However, if we dominate with therun game.
Then I could see this going,just being an under, just cause
more clocks going to be run off,

Jacob (01:35:12):
exactly.
Right.

but we'll see lines on top anyways.
But yeah, I, I'm gonna, I'mgonna say the over two, I'm
typically an under man, but IWell, I think in the interview,
I said the lions were going to,they asked me a prediction for
the game.
And I said, lions are going toscore 40.
So if the under that would becommanders would score less than
15.
So I, yeah, I

Jacob (01:35:33):
We'd be okay with that.

go.
Yeah.
And now I'm totally fine withthat.
All right, Jacob, next game Ramsat Philadelphia Eagles.
What what you got on this one?

Jacob (01:35:44):
I mean, this is the one or what can we watching closely,
right?
Hopefully by the time thishappens, we've already won our
game and we're going to play inone of these two teams for a
shot at the super bowl.
You know, The Rams looked reallydangerous last week, and I know
it's gonna be tough playing inPhilly.
The Rams definitely, you know,are capable of upsetting them,

(01:36:05):
and if they play like they didlast week, it's gonna be a
really close game.
Just looking at it, like, who doI want to win?
Who would I rather play?
I honestly don't know if I'drather play Philly or LA right
now.
I'm gonna say the Rams win aclose game.

Okay, that's, yeah, I'm right with you, man.
I, I don't know who I'd want toplay either.
They both have their advantagesand they both had their
pitfalls.
I, I don't want to face Staffordwith the chance to go to the
super bowl.
I just don't want that at it'sa, for me as a fan.
don't think the lions maybe lookat it like this, but for me as a

(01:36:42):
fan, I just don't want to losethe Stafford and go to the super
bowl.
I don't want to feel that extrapressure, but also I think
Philadelphia is a pretty goodteam and I don't necessarily
want to face them either.
I'm going with Philly wins us ina close game, but I really, I
really struggled with probablythe three games outside of the
Detroit game.
I really struggled with.

(01:37:03):
would win on any of those games?
I think, whereas last week was alot of blowouts.
I'm, I'm thinking that thesegames are going to be just a lot
more competitive.
I'm at least hoping for somereally good playoff, really good
games outside of our game, ourgame could be a blowout with

Jacob (01:37:20):
Yeah.

free win, but the other ones I hope they're, all
game, and hopefully the Rams andthe Eagles just beat the crap
out of each other.
Not saying I want peopleinjured, but if they got

Jacob (01:37:29):
No, but.

and

Jacob (01:37:30):
Tired.
Yeah.
Right.

okay with that.
If they're feeling sore for acouple of days afterwards, I'm
okay with that.
All

Jacob (01:37:36):
Yeah, the Eagles are actually six and a half point
favorites right now in thatgame.
You'd have thought of them alittle closer, so.

Yeah.
The spreads are really, reallystrange in these games.
Yeah, I, sometimes it doesn'tmatter with who's the better
team.
It's all about where thebedding's putting, where, where

Jacob (01:37:53):
Yeah.

But I don't know, I'd have a hard time given six
and a half points to the.
To the Rams just

Jacob (01:38:03):
Right.

to me.
All right.
Baltimore Buffalo for the lastgame.
Jacob, who do you, who you gotin this one?

Jacob (01:38:10):
Man, this, this is the marquee matchup, right?
Ravens are favored right now byone point.
At Buffalo, this has all, youknow, all the makings of a
classic playoff game.
You know, this could be a reallygood game.
The only thing I would say wouldbe holding this back is the
weather.
I don't know what the weather'slike in Buffalo right now.

(01:38:32):
It's going to be cold, but youknow, that's one of the things
where we differ because I preferthem to play indoor football.

Playoffs.
I

Jacob (01:38:39):
know you,

have, I don't really want weather to be a
factor.
I want

Jacob (01:38:43):
right?

teams.
I'd rather have that decided bythe teams as opposed to some
external factor.

Jacob (01:38:50):
Yes.
That's why, yeah, I prefer theindoor thing.
I mean, this one could go eitherway.
Last week I took the Broncos toupset the Bills.
I think this week I'm gonna saythat the Bills beat the Ravens.

All right, I'm going the other way.
I'm going both Baltimore overBuffalo.
I, this really, I know, I knowthe spread even.
Says this is a pick them game.
I really think it is.
We'll see, Buffalo's lookedreally strong at some points
this season, but then, againstthe Rams, they, they couldn't,

(01:39:23):
they couldn't stop them and evenagainst the lions, we don't have
a fumble for mom and rah, we, wemight win that game too.
Just, just outscoring them.
Baltimore's offense is no joke.
And even if weather is a factor,weather comes in, you got Derek
Henry and they can overcomethat.
So I'm going to, I'm going totake Baltimore.

Jacob (01:39:42):
Follow up question.

yeah,

Jacob (01:39:44):
just, I mean, so, let's say this, the winner of this
game is who, we're gonna make itto the Super Bowl, the winner of
this game is who we play.
Would you rather play the Billsor the Ravens?

wow.
I mean, I know we lost theBuffalo earlier this year, but I
have an Alex back as a.

Jacob (01:40:04):
Right.

And I think that the lions would, I like our
chances against Buffalo again.
I think the lions would be toughto beat twice in one season.
I still have a bad taste in mymouth from last

Jacob (01:40:20):
Yes.
Right.

I'd rather They're the team that I probably
want to face the least in theSuperbowl is Baltimore.
they're just set up to, they'rea very tough matchup for the
Lions, just really toughmatchup.
I mean, they're tough matchupfor everybody.
I, the Ravens are very, verygood team.
So putting, I, I guess I wouldgo Buffalo.
Where are you at?

Jacob (01:40:43):
No, agreed.
I want another shot at theBills.
Plus, I think the Bills lying inthe Super Bowl would be good for
the league, it'd be good foreverybody.

Yeah.

Jacob (01:40:51):
And I think we can take them.
I think, you know, youdefinitely have our hands full
with the Ravens.

Yeah.

Jacob (01:40:58):
Hoping somebody else can take them out.

Yeah.
Out of the big three, forpushing Houston out or whatever,

Jacob (01:41:05):
Yeah.

Baltimore is the least one I want to face.
Who would you rather face out ofKansas city or Buffalo?

Jacob (01:41:12):
Kansas City.

Yeah.

Jacob (01:41:13):
Absolutely.

Yeah.
I don't like the Mahomes factorjust And the, the whole, like
the chiefs own the refs.
I don't like that factor.
Although, we went into Kansascity and beat them last year.
And you know what, I wonder ifMike Tariqa would give us an
asterisk because Hutch is out.
Right.
I mean, like, would we

Jacob (01:41:32):
Yeah.

Like he, Kelsey was out and Chris Jones was out,
lions one, but with an asterisk,we'll, we'll, we get the
asterisk.
If we were to lose the superbowl, because our best player on
defense is out.
Multiple good players are out ondefense, but I don't know.
I digress,

Jacob (01:41:48):
understand the asterisk.
You gotta play with a handyou're dealt, right?

exactly.
You mean you're playing with thepeople on the field, right.
And I love to have Hutch outthere?
Yeah.
And will I see him in the superbowl?
I, I doubt it, but if he does,Oh, get my popcorn ready.
Cause I'm

Jacob (01:42:08):
Yeah.

One thing we forgot to do earlier, cause
we've haven't done it in thelast few weeks is Monty versus
Gibbs.
I'm going to let you pick, sowe'll do this late.
Monty versus Gibbs.
Do you have a, who are you goingto go with?

Jacob (01:42:23):
You gotta go Gibbs, right?
I mean

I'll get

Jacob (01:42:27):
If you heard,

yeah.

Jacob (01:42:29):
you heard even what David Montgomery has said when they
talked about him, like, youknow, it's like jaws, a
generational talent.
And he, you know, he kind ofsaid, he was like, whatever he
needs, you know, I'm going tomake sure he has, but it's kind
of Josh show just, you know,kind of a veteran thing.
I think he realizes the injuryand realizes the fact he's been
on a tear and everything, youknow.

(01:42:49):
It's going to be interesting.
Like I would assume that John'sgoing to get the star.
He's going to get the firstseries.
Right.
And then you mix demo and it'llbe like the opposite.
Or do you put demo back where hewas before and do like you did
earlier in the season?

I don't know.
I, I think you put, you don'twant to start slow.
Right.
And they might want to see, Idon't know, or maybe they put
Dave Montgomery out for thefirst, even like, they might not
run series and series.
Maybe they

Jacob (01:43:15):
Yeah.

get them

Jacob (01:43:17):
Just make it play by play.

it with Dave Montgomery, give them the first
run.
And then, then.
Then take them out and just seehow he performs.
I am going to be excited to hearthe last game they introduced
the defense and as when Alexcome back, so they will
introduce the offense this time.
So Dan Montgomery will getintroduced

Jacob (01:43:36):
Yeah, that's going to be cool.

and I'm really excited.
To be in the stadium for that.
And I'm also excited to see himsuited up and then being out
there for warmups and what thecrowd reaction to that is going
to be, having, again, havingthis at late game fans get in
there early.
I said the last game, theMinnesota, it was basically a
playoff game three hours early,and there's a line to get in the

(01:44:00):
door and the stadium's alreadypacked and they're already
cheering at warmups.
So I'm expecting it.
To be just as, just as live,probably more alive for this
game.

Jacob (01:44:11):
Absolutely.

Jacob, before we get out of here, we got our grit
guarantee.
I say Monty and Gibbs each scorea touchdown.

Jacob (01:44:23):
Solid.

Not too crazy, but I'm, that's what I'm going
to go with.
What's, what's yours?

Jacob (01:44:30):
My great guarantee is that I think that Gibbs is gonna
go for over 100 yards rushing.

Love to see it.
Yeah, that's not too crazy easyeither.
Although.
just surprises us all and, bustslike a 50 yarder and I, I'm
excited for this game.
It's going to be so much fun tobe there.
Are you, is I, so it's late oris Milo going to stay up and
watch the

Jacob (01:44:55):
Milo will stay up and watch with me.
He'll have his lion's gear on,he's gonna stay up and watch.

All

Jacob (01:45:00):
It's funny cause we actually, we stayed up, we were
watching the Pistons and Knicksgame until the Vikings and Rams
game started.
And he stayed up and we turn onthe Vikings and Rams game.
And then, you know, he passedout on the couch.
He can't hang that late, but hetries and I appreciate that.

Yeah.
think I was telling you this atwork, we're watching the
Minnesota.
My family, we watched all theplayoff games together.
And my wife would always say,who do we, the AFC teams that
she's not as familiar with.
Well, who do we not want to facefor the lions?
And I was like, it's kind ofearly.
There's a lot of matchups goingon, but you know, we talked
about that.

(01:45:37):
We're watching the Rams, theRams Vikings game, and she is,
she's Like super into it.
Like Darnold misses some throwsbecause she doesn't want to see
Stafford.
She does not like Kelly Stafforddoesn't want her like in her
space.
And so she's like, he's messingthrows.
She's like yelling at SamDarnold.
And I was like, I looked at her.

(01:45:58):
I said, what have you become?
And she goes, I don't know.

Jacob (01:46:02):
You created that monster,

did.
I did, but it was a great, itwas great.
Was a great weekend.
I know the games weren't thatclose, but as far as watching
football with my family, Ireally enjoyed it.

Jacob (01:46:13):
and we don't, you know, that's never happened, right?
We don't get the one seed, wedon't get wild card weekend and
just relax and know that, youknow,

yeah.
And

Jacob (01:46:21):
no pressure.

And there was a little blessing that we found
out Saturday that the team weregoing to play as opposed to
having to wait till, or wait,I'm

Jacob (01:46:29):
Right.
Yes.

out Sunday night as opposed to wait until Monday.
And then it's either like, okay,we're going to play the same old
boring team, the Vikings that wejust played two weeks ago.
That would have been boring,especially for this podcast.
I don't know what we would havedone.

Jacob (01:46:44):
Yeah.

it would have been a rehash of a game we just
saw two weeks ago, or The wholerehash of the Rams Stafford
thing.
So we avoided all that and had alot of fun to talk and we got to
meet the guys

Jacob (01:46:55):
For now.
For now.
The Stafford thing might becoming back.

and it might be some, all right, Jacob, we've
rambled on long enough.
Anything else before we head outof here?

Jacob (01:47:07):
No man.

All right.
Thanks again for the boys overat command.
This podcast.
Can't wait to talk with themtomorrow night.
I hope everyone a good, safeweekend.
Hopefully it's a very enjoyableSaturday night.
Just be safe and don't doanything stupid.
Don't drive, drink and drivejust wherever you're at.
Just stay at hope everyone'ssafe.

(01:47:30):
So for Jacob, Jason.
Let's go lions.

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