November 5, 2024 • 30 mins
What does it take to start your own podcast? We're pulling back the curtain in the third season of Talking Texas History to share our own rollercoaster ride of surprises and successes in the world of podcasting. Whether it's picking your unique niche or understanding the magic connection between podcasting and traditional radio, we're here to light the path for aspiring podcasters eager to leave their mark in the vast podcasting world.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This podcast is not sponsored by and does not
reflect the views of theinstitutions that employ us.
It is solely our thoughts andideas, based upon our
professional training and studyof the past.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Welcome to Talking Texas History, the podcast that
explores Texas history beforeand beyond the Alamo.
Not only will we talk Texashistory, we'll visit with folks
who teach it, write it, supportit, and with some who've made it
and, of course, all of us wholive it and love it.
I'm Scott Sosby and I'm GenePreuss, and this is Talking
(00:36):
Texas History.
Welcome to another edition ofTalking Texas History.
I'm Gene Preuss, I'm ScottSosby.
Scott, today, you know we'vebeen having a lot of podcasts.
I guess you know we're on ourthird season already.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
It's amazing.
It is absolutely amazing, aswe've said many times.
You know, this is about twoyears and 11 months longer than
I thought it would last.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
That's right Two years and 11 and a half months
thought it would last that'sright Two years and 11 and a
half months longer than Ithought.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
And we've got tens of listeners, so we want to thank
all of them.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
We can name them by name, if we wanted to right.
Just give them a personal thankyou.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
That's right and actually we've got a good number
of listeners.
I was just looking at one ofthe accounts.
They send us an account of howmany people listen to different
podcasts and I don't know whythis is, but it's sometimes the
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podcast that I don't think.
I said, well, we'll just dothis because we're going to do
it and it's not like one of theones that I think is going to be
the most interesting one getsthe most, gets the most
listeners.
So I'm I'm no judge ofcharacter.
You know, don't listen to me, Idon't know.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Well, I will vouch that you are no judge for
character and character.
I will vouch for thatcompletely.
We've been friends for a longtime, for over 30 years.
So there you go, right there.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
So you're asking that we should, since we are now
podcast experts.
Is that what you're trying tokind?
Speaker 2 (02:15):
of lay off.
I think we are.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
I think we are Okay, so that's why we have decided we
need to tell people how to do apodcast, maybe.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Yeah, decided we need to tell people how to do a
podcast maybe.
Yeah, you know, I I kind ofthought the podcast craze had
hit a wave and had gone away,but one of the organizations I'm
associated with started doingpodcast classes and they said
the room is full.
People are still wanting to dothis and we've got a lot of
people that we know in thehistory profession, historians
and maybe students.
Last episode was students doingsome interviews.
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It's something that can be done.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
It absolutely can.
And an amazing thing is there'sprobably still a niche.
You just said lots of peopledoing podcasts.
You just said lots of peopledoing podcasts.
You know how many podcaststhere are out there right now in
the United States, Notworldwide in the United States,
4.19 million, Are you kidding?
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I am not kidding.
4.19 million podcasts out theredoing things.
But still there's things forpeople to do, there's things how
they do it.
So maybe we just give a littleprimer.
Maybe our question, our thornout to our audience is so you
want to do a podcast?
Of course we're making a bigassumption here, Gene.
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We're assuming we know what thehell we're doing.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Well, that is a big assumption.
So I will say this.
So you know scott in my list of27 jobs I've had for 10 years,
starting when I was in highschool um, I worked for a radio
station, um in austin, in myhometown of new braunfels.
So I worked, I think, fourradio stations altogether over
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that 10-year period, andpodcasting shares a lot of
characteristics with radio, andso when I started looking into
how to do the podcast and set itup, it really wasn't that
different.
But I mean, there's a lot ofpeople who are getting into it.
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It's the democratization ofgetting your message out.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
That is true, and that's what the platform is
great for.
Everybody can have a platformin the way we do things now and
think that you do so, Gene.
We'll just start.
This way we can bounce thingsoff of it.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Somebody says they say Gene Preuss, I want to start
a podcast.
What's the first piece ofadvice you're going to give them
?
What are you going to say?
This is the number one thingyou got to come up with.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Well, what is your idea?
What is it that you want to doand you were talking about it
earlier what is your niche?
I think that's probablyimportant, I think everybody you
know, you know there's anaudience for just about anything
out there and you know you'reprobably not the only one that
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thinks a certain subject wouldbe a good idea.
But you got to nail it downRight.
And some people say, well, I'mgonna have a podcast where I
just, you know, talk and rambleis.
You know, you got gotta thinkthat might draw an audience.
But what kind of an audience?
Speaker 1 (05:30):
so evidently it draws tens of people right.
You just said we had tens oflisteners just rambling, we've
drawn an audience right but youknow, so, like for ours.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
You know we wanted to do something that would be for
other people who teach historyand people who like history, so
that was kind of our audience.
But I'm going to go one onedeeper than that, because
sometimes some of the advice youget is not only what is my
audience, but who is my audience, and so it's not just thinking
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about you know, know what typeof people, who am I trying to
like, what individual?
And if you can visualize, theysay that one person sitting in
front of you and you're talkingto them, what kind of show would
you have?
And that's a real challengingquestion.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
I don't think it is.
I think it's hard for people tofigure out.
You ask, oh, here's my audience.
Well, I have, I don't know.
I want to do something on thehistory of sports in Texas or
something.
Okay, that's a good idea.
And you say, well, who's youraudience for that?
Well, do you know who thataudience would be?
Do you know who would beattracted to that?
You got to have some knowledgeabout that.
(06:42):
I mean, it can't be.
You know, I remember I wassitting in a bar one time and I
talked to these 10 guys and theyseemed to understand what I had
to say.
And I think that's number one.
I would say, first off, ifyou're going to start something,
absolutely Find something thatyou're interested in that you
think your audience will beinterested in, but it's got to
be something you know quite abit about.
You know it's got to besomething that you I'm not
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saying have expertise in, butsomething that your knowledge of
is broad enough that you canunderstand not just what needs
to be discussed If you have tobring on guests, who needs to be
discussed, and also what typesof discussions you need to have
and how do you need to frame thediscussions as you go in.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
You know, it's kind of like you know oral histories,
we, you know that that'ssomething that's right.
You know, and in manyhistorians you know realms, they
know how to do oral histories.
You want to do a little bit ofresearch on the person, but you
want to have some knowledge ofthe topic so you can listen to
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their responses and guide themalong the way.
And there's, you know, one ofmy favorite, I guess, people
that I really liked listening towhen I was a kid was Larry King
.
Did you ever listen to LarryKing very much?
Speaker 1 (07:59):
I listened to him some.
Yeah, I did.
I remember the first time I wastime I got really angry at
Larry King because the radiostation in San Angelo when I was
young, starting at 10 o'clockthey took the programming of
music off and put Larry King onand I had to start listening to
him.
I'm like I don't want to listento Larry King, I want to hear
Merle Haggard sing.
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But I did.
And one thing about Larry isLarry King and I realized this
later knew how to ask questionsand he knew how to ask questions
to get a response that is rightnow.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Larry king, by his own admission, uh, he did not
want to know anything about theguest.
He wanted to come in into itfresh.
He wanted.
He said, I want to interview aperson as if I'm a person off
the street coming in and talkingto this person.
Now I mean, okay, but in a lotof his interviews he knew those
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people right.
But you're right, I was tryingto think what did Larry know how
to do?
He knew how to ask questions.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Certainly did, and that's something you talk about
historians and oral history andthat's our background to some
extent, because we we do these.
You do more oral histories thanme.
Uh, it's not something I mustuh call myself any sort of a
specialty into, but I have donea few and I've conducted an oral
history project.
And one thing I've learned fromthat and I think this is
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instructive for a podcast whichhard to say given the way we
ramble on, but you need to knowwhen to shut up to.
You know you need to know whennot to say something.
If you have a guest, let themtalk.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Right, right, yeah, and, and for us to talk about
this.
This is, like you know, potscalling kettles black.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Um, because I can talk for a long time, if you
need me to, or even if you don'tneed me to that's what I think
of.
Uh, you knew him and he was mycolleague.
He'd retire.
I got here to sfa but tell myoral history is bobby johnson dr
bob johnson to know bobby for awhile you would have I don't
know if this guy would be, youknow and him being an oral
historian, because Bobby likedto talk, bobby liked to tell
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stories.
But when you listen to BobbyJohnson do oral histories, bobby
Johnson, he understood theactual value of knowing when to
shut up and Bobby could ask aquestion that would set his
subject off and they could justtalk forever and Bobby just
would let them and that's whyBobby did Great Oral Histories,
because he knew how to do that.
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There's actually a similarityin doing a podcast, I think, in
that regard.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Yeah, and I don't want to say that I'm an artist,
but it's an art at doing it andI, you know, it's something.
That that I struggle with ishow do you ask a simple question
, an open-ended question thatpeople are going to respond to,
and is going to get them, uh,like Bob you were saying about
Bobby, get them started andgoing.
(10:58):
Now, we have friends and I'mnot going to mention any names
here, but we have friends whoyou could ask them one question
and they'll go, they'll talk foran hour and that's fine and
that's great.
But you also need to know howto be able not only to ask those
questions but then, uh, havesome control over the interview
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right to steer it in the rightdirection and that's another
thing that you bring up.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
If you're going to do a podcast, you better better
develop the skill of, yes,knowing when to shut up, but
also knowing when to suddenlymove your subject into.
They need to maybe come focusback to what they need to say,
because you know what we talkabout.
One thing, and somebody wouldask me what's an important thing
about a podcast?
(11:42):
And I think if there's onething you and I have been very
good about is we understood fromthe beginning people don't
listen to this for an hour and ahalf, two hours.
No, they want to do it shortand and we came up with 30
minutes.
Our podcasts are 30 minutes andthat's what they are, and we
structure them when they're 30minutes and we make sure the
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guests know they're 30 minutesand we keep to that.
That's why we we've even had todo sometimes two and three
parters, because it's like we'renot going to go on for more
than 30 minutes.
So I'm saying, man, set you alength and make sure it's the
length of where you can coverwhat you need to, but you don't
drag on with it.
I liking it.
I tell this to studentssometimes when I tell them when
they're writing book reviews.
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I said here's what a bookreview, the best book review, is
short and sweet.
I said envision it likeguerrilla warfare.
You're in there, you make alittle mess and you get the hell
out All right On this podcastare kind of that way, you know
that's what you need to do,that's right.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Well, you know, um, going back to the oral history
model, um, what we tell people,or what we used to, what I was
taught as an oral historian,what I tell students when
they're going to do it, is onlyexpect to spend about an hour,
because if you're talking tosomeone and you're asking them
to, you know, go into the past,into their memory and think
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about, you know, something thathappened a long time ago that
actually does wear people out.
If you go on and on and on andon, and so we say, you know,
keep it under an hour, you canalways go back and do another,
one, another interview if youneed more.
Likewise with the podcast, whenwe were, I was looking at the
lengths, right, One of the youknow, because we were.
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You know how long should it be?
Here's a half hour, because Iwas looking at some statistics
on how long people sit in theircar when they're driving.
They said that the average isabout half an hour, and so I
thought you know, if people arelistening for you know when
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they're driving and they've gottheir podcasts on, about half an
hour is about the time thatthey have and that's when they
listen to them.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Gene, we do a podcast .
I've listened to it at somepoint Every one of our episodes.
Every time I listen to it, it'sin the car.
That's where I listen topodcasts.
It's in the car, you know.
That's why I'm going on a tripand I'll well, I take that back.
Why I'm on the treadmillworking out, I also listen to my
podcast, which means I'll hearyour voice as the pain sets in
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sometimes of me on the treadmill.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
so I'm like blame it on you that I'm feeling the way
I am well, not only, not onlyhave to talk about length, scott
, you got.
How frequently do you want todo it?
And this is something,something I've got to say for
our listeners.
I'm not as how do I say this?
We don't get ours out asregularly as I would like to,
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but we aim for it.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
We're pretty good about every other week.
We've missed a few of that andI think that's about right.
You know there's the uh marktwain saying that talk about
politicians and baby diapers.
That should be changedfrequently.
For the same reason, uh, andI'm thinking about when we talk
about a podcast you want to hitagain, we're talking about
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hitting a sweet spot.
There's a reason why, whentelevision programming came
along and they began to come upwith programming of television,
that they set on the once a weektype of model for television
programming, because any morethan that could be too much, but
any less than that lessens thefrequency of people tuning in,
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because it becomes a habit.
We settled on two.
I think a lot of pod, I know alot of podcasts do once a week.
There are some that do it everyday but they're more of general
use podcasts and it's almostlike you.
Just you know you said a lot intune with radio.
I think they'll take the JoeRogan experience, for example.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
I mean he's on every day.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
They says they're like four hours long and they're
long, but that's kind of likeold radio programs used to be,
you know, because it wassomething people turned into.
But when you're having aspecialty, niche things like
ours, people probably don't wantto hear that every day.
And first off, how much contentCan you come up with content
for something every day?
I would hate to.
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How much content can you comeup with content for something
every day?
I would hate to.
I mean, I write a newspapercolumn and I spend sometimes two
hours staring at my ceilingtrying to figure out what I'm
going to write on that week.
I would hate to have to come upwith something every day to do
that.
So I think that's something yougot to hit on, you know, once a
week, I think it's fine.
We do once every two weeks, Ithink those are good.
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I think once's fine.
We do once every two weeks, Ithink those are good.
I think once a month is tooinfrequent and probably more
than once a week for mostpodcasts is too frequent and I
would think you would want toget somewhere in between that.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Yeah, and I do know some people who do it once a
month.
Another thing you want to thinkabout is guests.
Now we have guests on our showquite a bit, but then there's
times that it's just you and meand guests.
We've had some really goodguests and I want to thank
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everybody who's been on our showbecause they've made it good.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
That's right, We've had fantastic guests.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
They've I mean they've made it good.
That's right.
We've had fantastic guests.
Sometimes the problem withguests is a you know, like you
were saying, you sit down, youlook at this ceiling, so what
are we going to talk about?
Who can we get?
So it's sometimes getting yourguests or guests available even.
And then it's also scheduling,because we do and this is
something we talk about later onbut how do we do the technology
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that we use?
You know, we do our interviewsand our discussions via Zoom.
We're on Zoom right now.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
There's other platforms people can use.
Well, that's a good thing totalk about, gene.
I mean, I know we're talkingabout other things to talk about
.
Tell people we can tell people.
You've got to have a platform,you've got to have somebody host
this thing.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
There's no thing, you just throw out there and hope
people listen to it.
Well, and you've got to thinkabout other things too, right?
What kind of microphones areyou going to get?
There's technology, there'smicrophones.
There's technology, there'smicrophones.
There's Zoom, there's computers, and I mean there are some
things to think about.
I'll tell you one thing I workwith this one public access
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station here in Houston that Ido some work with, and I had to
take this media savviness classright, understanding media, and
one of the things they taught usthat's always stuck with me and
really is true is that forevery minute you're on the air
right, that you're broadcastingor you're recording or whatever
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think about 10 minutes toprepare, right, so it's what
you're seeing, the, the showitself, and I think this is true
of television too, right?
Uh, or movies, what you see,that final product is the tip of
the iceberg, and underneath thewater is a giant amount of
planning and thought and ideasthat went into that.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
So planning is, pre-planning is essential I
agree, and you know we make.
You know we make a lot ofourselves and when it's a joke
we talk about, we just come onand ramble oh, we're just going
to wing this.
But that's not generally truebefore either one of us go on
the air.
We have come up with and spenttime coming up with questions,
coming up with some knowledge ofwho are if we have a guest, who
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they are, what they've done, uh, what are some of the things
that that they are known for, sowe can prepare for questions
and things like that.
But even more than that thatthis knowledge and research, to
some extent, if it goes in acertain direction, you have to
be ready to follow it in thatdirection, so you have something
about that to bring it out.
So so I think that's.
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I think that's another one I've.
I've listened to some podcastsbefore there's.
They're sports related mostly,and you can just tell and some
of them gain quite a bit oflistenership that these guys
thought the idea of a pocket wasjust them Like.
I'll go back to the analogy ofin a bar.
This is just me pontificatingabout sports in a bar.
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And I'm just going to come onhere and talk about sports.
You know what?
There's no sustaining powerthere, because how often do you
want to listen to some guypontificate about how great the
New York Yankees are, but fromlike he's on a bar stool.
You know what you do in barswith those people.
You move away from them.
You don't want to listen tothem on that.
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So so you do have to have asomewhat.
You've got to be knowledgeable,but you have to also again, do
your research to some extent.
Be prepared.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
I think that's the best thing before you go on the
air be prepared well, I'm goingto give an example from a recent
couple of shows that we did,scott, and that was on the
hurricanes.
You know, we did two episodeson hurricanes in Texas history
and I did a little bit ofresearch.
Yeah, I knew, but I got to tellyou, scott, you really did a
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lot of research.
I think you said that youwanted to turn that into one of
those columns that you write youwere going to do that.
So you were doing a little bitof extra research.
But I've got to say you, youreally, you really uh carried a
lot of water for that and thatwas a a lot of.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
that was because you know what I learned a lot and I
started looking into it and Isaid this is, this is damned
interesting.
Some of these, some of thesehurricanes, particularly some of
those in, the, uh, 18th and19th century, I'd never, never
heard of, I didn't know aboutthat.
They happened to have theconsequences.
So it was kind of amazing to dothat.
But yeah, you do, you got to doyour prep.
You can't just get on there andwing it.
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One other thing, gene, I thinkthis goes.
someone probably would thenthink about it, but you think
about hosts and how you want todo this and how you want to set
this up.
Hosts, and how you want to dothis and how you want to set
this up.
You and I are lucky becausewe've known each other a long
time and we're used to justtalking with each other.
That's why we that's one of thestrengths of I've heard of
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people say it that's one of thestrengths of our podcast, cause
we sound like we're having aconversation.
But that's probably lucky onour part that it happened.
It probably doesn't happen thatway.
Very often You're going tostart a podcast and if you're
going to have hosts together,y'all better have some rapport.
You better know what you'redoing together.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
And you know people think, oh well, I've got some
friends and we'll just you know,kind of like, sit around the
bar and talk.
It's not that easy and you'vegot to think about people that
you can interact with.
I was watching TV last nightand there was a rerun of one of
the late night shows and theywere interviewing Steve Martin
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and Martin Short.
You know those guys have beenworking together 40 years and
they finish each other'ssentences.
They have these.
I think it's a stable of jokesthat they tell about and about
each other right they sit aroundand they insult each other.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
And they made it a certain shtick, if you will,
about the deal, martin Short'skind of the sardonic and most
biting, if you will, of thesardonic, uh, you know, uh, and
most biting, if you will of thetwo.
And see, martin, it's almostkind of naive-ish about things
and about and they just go backand forth each other.
I thought you were going totalk about.
(23:21):
You first came in the lightnight, because this is what came
.
This also ages me, what cameinto my mind, and it was
something I read too often alsoabout how close knit, and not
just close because they hung outtogether, but because they knew
what each other was going to dowhen they perform.
Remember Johnny Carson and EdMcMahon?
Oh right, those guys were,their timing with each other was
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perfect at all and they knewtheir role, they knew what
they're supposed to do, and Ithink that's part of it Each of
you is.
I think that some of yourco-hosting, as you go on, you'll
develop this is what thisperson does and this is what
this person does, and the job ofthe other person is to make
sure you make sure you canamplify what the other person
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does.
Well, and vice versa.
On that, and I think, andthat's something that you have
to think about before.
So again, it has to be someoneyou have good rapport with
before you would do somethinglike that.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Yeah, and you know so .
And the other thing is is that,who are you going to do the
show all the time by yourself?
Are you going to have the sameperson you're working with, or
you have to have similar sameperson you're working with, or
you have to have similarschedules too, right?
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Scheduling is a big thing, but also.
Scheduling is easy for usbecause we barely work.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
That's true.
But you know, and it's also thescheduling, but it's also who
is going to carry the show of.
One person can't do it one weekor one month or whatever.
You know, people get sick.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
People get sick.
People have different things.
We've had differentcircumstances.
I think back I don't evenremember which one it was where
you were having some sort ofproblem.
You were having a drive.
Take somebody to school yeah,one time I pick something up and
then your audio cat out.
My first thought when thathappens, oh my God.
This is now I have to carrythis sucker off by myself, but
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because I'd done a littleresearch and we were good, we'd
done this, that was well into ayear when that happened.
I was able to do that.
So that's one thing you have to, but you know, genius, there's
another thing you have to, butyou know, there's another thing
that you haven't talked topeople about.
That I think it's veryimportant and it's the part of
this podcast that you handle forus.
I have nothing to do with thisfolks Cause.
I know I'm like SergeantSchultz and Hogan's heroes.
(25:44):
I know nothing.
All right About the technologyof a podcast.
You know.
Here's what I know about apodcast.
I joined the technology.
I joined the link that genesends me.
I hook up my microphone y'allcan't see it when I'm showing
jeans I hook up my microphone uh, to my computer and I wait for
gene to let me into his room sowe can start.
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All the other technology isyours.
So let people know what theyneed to have, what they need to
do about that technology well,you're going to need a
microphone.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Now a lot of people could say, well, I've got a
laptop or a tablet or my phone,I'll just plug something into
that.
Well, it's not always the wayit works and you've got to have
good, good-ish technology.
Now I don't know what kind ofmicrophone you're using.
I don't remember offhand, butI've got a.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
What is it?
It's called a blue, as I wouldsay, a blue bluetooth microphone
I.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
I've got one, a blue as well, a thx, so we're both
using very similar microphones.
Sometimes I might, depending onwhere we are, I've been known
to use my ear pads or my airpads, air pods.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
I've used those.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
We've done it at home a couple of times as well, and
so I use Mac, which I think is alittle bit easier to use than
than my PC.
I use the PC at work, think isa little bit easier to use than
my PC.
I use the PC at work and usethe Mac at home.
But yeah, so we're using itZoom.
Zoom is across multipleplatforms, but you know, so just
(27:26):
using what is on your computerisn't necessarily going to work,
because that microphone is notreally made for up-close voice.
It's a condenser voice thatpicks up a lot of noise.
You want a microphone that'ssomewhat dynamic.
It picks up your voice but itdoesn't register extraneous
(27:48):
noise.
And if you've got a good enoughmicrophone, even if it is a
condenser, you can work aroundthat.
But you've got to think abouthaving a decent microphone.
And that's probably the biggestissue, right?
Because how does it plug intoyour computer?
How does it plug into yourrecording device?
If you're using a recordingdevice and not Zoom, are you
(28:13):
going to have a separate?
Most everybody's using digitalthese days, right?
So you can have digitalrecording devices.
Zoom, which is a differentcompany from the video
conferencing company.
There's another company calledZoom.
They make microphones, theymake cameras and they make
podcasting devices, so theremight be some expense.
(28:33):
You need to do some researchinto that.
What kind of plug-in is itgoing to take?
Because there's USB plugs,there's stick plugs and then
there's four-prong plugs that goin.
You have to figure that out.
So spend some time researchingthat.
(28:53):
What kind of microphone, whatkind of expenses do you want?
And then you've got to look ata couple of other things, like
who's going to host your podcast, and you know what, scott, I'm
going to say.
There's a little bit more totalk about, not only the
technology, but the marketing.
And why don't we?
(29:15):
We're just we're running upagainst the time stamp here.
We'll do another one like wesay why don't we do another one?
Speaker 1 (29:21):
we'll just do another one and we'll talk about all
these other extraneous ideas andthen we'll ramble on like we're
at a bar, because if one thingwe've discovered now is doing a
podcast, I guess is analogous tositting at a bar with a drunk
right.
You know what?
I've listened?
Speaker 2 (29:39):
to some podcasts.
We could start drinking in ourpodcast.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
We could start drinking.
I've actually thought about hey, let's just see what you know.
You say that, but our friend,joe Pellerin, had an idea one
time he's been on here before.
He wanted to do a sportspodcast and he wanted to call it
uh two guys, two guys, uh witha, with, with a shot and a cigar
.
Uh, the idea was that it wouldbe, you know, uh, you sitting in
(30:02):
a bar talking, but then he,then his wife, had a baby and he
became a father and that kindof fell away for him.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
So but yeah, I think there's plenty of time.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
That's right.
I think there's plenty ofplenty of material for us to do
this again.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
And we'll talk, so part two will be coming up.
So I hope we got someinformation across and some
things to think about, and we'llpick this up where we left off
next time, ok.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Absolutely Goodbye, everybody, bye.
This podcast is not sponsored by and does not
reflect the views of theinstitutions that employ us.
It is solely our thoughts andideas, based upon our
professional training and studyof the past.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Welcome to Talking Texas History, the podcast that
explores Texas history beforeand beyond the Alamo.
Not only will we talk Texashistory, we'll visit with folks
who teach it, write it, supportit, and with some who've made it
and, of course, all of us wholive it and love it.
I'm Scott Sosby and I'm GenePreuss, and this is Talking
(00:36):
Texas History.
Welcome to another edition ofTalking Texas History.
I'm Gene Preuss, I'm ScottSosby.
Scott, today, you know we'vebeen having a lot of podcasts.
I guess you know we're on ourthird season already.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
It's amazing.
It is absolutely amazing, aswe've said many times.
You know, this is about twoyears and 11 months longer than
I thought it would last.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
That's right Two years and 11 and a half months
thought it would last that'sright Two years and 11 and a
half months longer than Ithought.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
And we've got tens of listeners, so we want to thank
all of them.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
We can name them by name, if we wanted to right.
Just give them a personal thankyou.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
That's right and actually we've got a good number
of listeners.
I was just looking at one ofthe accounts.
They send us an account of howmany people listen to different
podcasts and I don't know whythis is, but it's sometimes the
(01:41):
podcast that I don't think.
I said, well, we'll just dothis because we're going to do
it and it's not like one of theones that I think is going to be
the most interesting one getsthe most, gets the most
listeners.
So I'm I'm no judge ofcharacter.
You know, don't listen to me, Idon't know.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Well, I will vouch that you are no judge for
character and character.
I will vouch for thatcompletely.
We've been friends for a longtime, for over 30 years.
So there you go, right there.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
So you're asking that we should, since we are now
podcast experts.
Is that what you're trying tokind?
Speaker 2 (02:15):
of lay off.
I think we are.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
I think we are Okay, so that's why we have decided we
need to tell people how to do apodcast, maybe.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Yeah, decided we need to tell people how to do a
podcast maybe.
Yeah, you know, I I kind ofthought the podcast craze had
hit a wave and had gone away,but one of the organizations I'm
associated with started doingpodcast classes and they said
the room is full.
People are still wanting to dothis and we've got a lot of
people that we know in thehistory profession, historians
and maybe students.
Last episode was students doingsome interviews.
(02:51):
It's something that can be done.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
It absolutely can.
And an amazing thing is there'sprobably still a niche.
You just said lots of peopledoing podcasts.
You just said lots of peopledoing podcasts.
You know how many podcaststhere are out there right now in
the United States, Notworldwide in the United States,
4.19 million, Are you kidding?
(03:17):
I am not kidding.
4.19 million podcasts out theredoing things.
But still there's things forpeople to do, there's things how
they do it.
So maybe we just give a littleprimer.
Maybe our question, our thornout to our audience is so you
want to do a podcast?
Of course we're making a bigassumption here, Gene.
(03:38):
We're assuming we know what thehell we're doing.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Well, that is a big assumption.
So I will say this.
So you know scott in my list of27 jobs I've had for 10 years,
starting when I was in highschool um, I worked for a radio
station, um in austin, in myhometown of new braunfels.
So I worked, I think, fourradio stations altogether over
(04:04):
that 10-year period, andpodcasting shares a lot of
characteristics with radio, andso when I started looking into
how to do the podcast and set itup, it really wasn't that
different.
But I mean, there's a lot ofpeople who are getting into it.
(04:25):
It's the democratization ofgetting your message out.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
That is true, and that's what the platform is
great for.
Everybody can have a platformin the way we do things now and
think that you do so, Gene.
We'll just start.
This way we can bounce thingsoff of it.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Somebody says they say Gene Preuss, I want to start
a podcast.
What's the first piece ofadvice you're going to give them
?
What are you going to say?
This is the number one thingyou got to come up with.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Well, what is your idea?
What is it that you want to doand you were talking about it
earlier what is your niche?
I think that's probablyimportant, I think everybody you
know, you know there's anaudience for just about anything
out there and you know you'reprobably not the only one that
(05:16):
thinks a certain subject wouldbe a good idea.
But you got to nail it downRight.
And some people say, well, I'mgonna have a podcast where I
just, you know, talk and rambleis.
You know, you got gotta thinkthat might draw an audience.
But what kind of an audience?
Speaker 1 (05:30):
so evidently it draws tens of people right.
You just said we had tens oflisteners just rambling, we've
drawn an audience right but youknow, so, like for ours.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
You know we wanted to do something that would be for
other people who teach historyand people who like history, so
that was kind of our audience.
But I'm going to go one onedeeper than that, because
sometimes some of the advice youget is not only what is my
audience, but who is my audience, and so it's not just thinking
(06:02):
about you know, know what typeof people, who am I trying to
like, what individual?
And if you can visualize, theysay that one person sitting in
front of you and you're talkingto them, what kind of show would
you have?
And that's a real challengingquestion.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
I don't think it is.
I think it's hard for people tofigure out.
You ask, oh, here's my audience.
Well, I have, I don't know.
I want to do something on thehistory of sports in Texas or
something.
Okay, that's a good idea.
And you say, well, who's youraudience for that?
Well, do you know who thataudience would be?
Do you know who would beattracted to that?
You got to have some knowledgeabout that.
(06:42):
I mean, it can't be.
You know, I remember I wassitting in a bar one time and I
talked to these 10 guys and theyseemed to understand what I had
to say.
And I think that's number one.
I would say, first off, ifyou're going to start something,
absolutely Find something thatyou're interested in that you
think your audience will beinterested in, but it's got to
be something you know quite abit about.
You know it's got to besomething that you I'm not
(07:04):
saying have expertise in, butsomething that your knowledge of
is broad enough that you canunderstand not just what needs
to be discussed If you have tobring on guests, who needs to be
discussed, and also what typesof discussions you need to have
and how do you need to frame thediscussions as you go in.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
You know, it's kind of like you know oral histories,
we, you know that that'ssomething that's right.
You know, and in manyhistorians you know realms, they
know how to do oral histories.
You want to do a little bit ofresearch on the person, but you
want to have some knowledge ofthe topic so you can listen to
(07:44):
their responses and guide themalong the way.
And there's, you know, one ofmy favorite, I guess, people
that I really liked listening towhen I was a kid was Larry King
.
Did you ever listen to LarryKing very much?
Speaker 1 (07:59):
I listened to him some.
Yeah, I did.
I remember the first time I wastime I got really angry at
Larry King because the radiostation in San Angelo when I was
young, starting at 10 o'clockthey took the programming of
music off and put Larry King onand I had to start listening to
him.
I'm like I don't want to listento Larry King, I want to hear
Merle Haggard sing.
(08:20):
But I did.
And one thing about Larry isLarry King and I realized this
later knew how to ask questionsand he knew how to ask questions
to get a response that is rightnow.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Larry king, by his own admission, uh, he did not
want to know anything about theguest.
He wanted to come in into itfresh.
He wanted.
He said, I want to interview aperson as if I'm a person off
the street coming in and talkingto this person.
Now I mean, okay, but in a lotof his interviews he knew those
(08:53):
people right.
But you're right, I was tryingto think what did Larry know how
to do?
He knew how to ask questions.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Certainly did, and that's something you talk about
historians and oral history andthat's our background to some
extent, because we we do these.
You do more oral histories thanme.
Uh, it's not something I mustuh call myself any sort of a
specialty into, but I have donea few and I've conducted an oral
history project.
And one thing I've learned fromthat and I think this is
(09:24):
instructive for a podcast whichhard to say given the way we
ramble on, but you need to knowwhen to shut up to.
You know you need to know whennot to say something.
If you have a guest, let themtalk.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Right, right, yeah, and, and for us to talk about
this.
This is, like you know, potscalling kettles black.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Um, because I can talk for a long time, if you
need me to, or even if you don'tneed me to that's what I think
of.
Uh, you knew him and he was mycolleague.
He'd retire.
I got here to sfa but tell myoral history is bobby johnson dr
bob johnson to know bobby for awhile you would have I don't
know if this guy would be, youknow and him being an oral
historian, because Bobby likedto talk, bobby liked to tell
(10:09):
stories.
But when you listen to BobbyJohnson do oral histories, bobby
Johnson, he understood theactual value of knowing when to
shut up and Bobby could ask aquestion that would set his
subject off and they could justtalk forever and Bobby just
would let them and that's whyBobby did Great Oral Histories,
because he knew how to do that.
(10:31):
There's actually a similarityin doing a podcast, I think, in
that regard.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Yeah, and I don't want to say that I'm an artist,
but it's an art at doing it andI, you know, it's something.
That that I struggle with ishow do you ask a simple question
, an open-ended question thatpeople are going to respond to,
and is going to get them, uh,like Bob you were saying about
Bobby, get them started andgoing.
(10:58):
Now, we have friends and I'mnot going to mention any names
here, but we have friends whoyou could ask them one question
and they'll go, they'll talk foran hour and that's fine and
that's great.
But you also need to know howto be able not only to ask those
questions but then, uh, havesome control over the interview
(11:18):
right to steer it in the rightdirection and that's another
thing that you bring up.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
If you're going to do a podcast, you better better
develop the skill of, yes,knowing when to shut up, but
also knowing when to suddenlymove your subject into.
They need to maybe come focusback to what they need to say,
because you know what we talkabout.
One thing, and somebody wouldask me what's an important thing
about a podcast?
(11:42):
And I think if there's onething you and I have been very
good about is we understood fromthe beginning people don't
listen to this for an hour and ahalf, two hours.
No, they want to do it shortand and we came up with 30
minutes.
Our podcasts are 30 minutes andthat's what they are, and we
structure them when they're 30minutes and we make sure the
(12:04):
guests know they're 30 minutesand we keep to that.
That's why we we've even had todo sometimes two and three
parters, because it's like we'renot going to go on for more
than 30 minutes.
So I'm saying, man, set you alength and make sure it's the
length of where you can coverwhat you need to, but you don't
drag on with it.
I liking it.
I tell this to studentssometimes when I tell them when
they're writing book reviews.
(12:25):
I said here's what a bookreview, the best book review, is
short and sweet.
I said envision it likeguerrilla warfare.
You're in there, you make alittle mess and you get the hell
out All right On this podcastare kind of that way, you know
that's what you need to do,that's right.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Well, you know, um, going back to the oral history
model, um, what we tell people,or what we used to, what I was
taught as an oral historian,what I tell students when
they're going to do it, is onlyexpect to spend about an hour,
because if you're talking tosomeone and you're asking them
to, you know, go into the past,into their memory and think
(13:02):
about, you know, something thathappened a long time ago that
actually does wear people out.
If you go on and on and on andon, and so we say, you know,
keep it under an hour, you canalways go back and do another,
one, another interview if youneed more.
Likewise with the podcast, whenwe were, I was looking at the
lengths, right, One of the youknow, because we were.
(13:24):
You know how long should it be?
Here's a half hour, because Iwas looking at some statistics
on how long people sit in theircar when they're driving.
They said that the average isabout half an hour, and so I
thought you know, if people arelistening for you know when
(13:45):
they're driving and they've gottheir podcasts on, about half an
hour is about the time thatthey have and that's when they
listen to them.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Gene, we do a podcast .
I've listened to it at somepoint Every one of our episodes.
Every time I listen to it, it'sin the car.
That's where I listen topodcasts.
It's in the car, you know.
That's why I'm going on a tripand I'll well, I take that back.
Why I'm on the treadmillworking out, I also listen to my
podcast, which means I'll hearyour voice as the pain sets in
(14:14):
sometimes of me on the treadmill.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
so I'm like blame it on you that I'm feeling the way
I am well, not only, not onlyhave to talk about length, scott
, you got.
How frequently do you want todo it?
And this is something,something I've got to say for
our listeners.
I'm not as how do I say this?
We don't get ours out asregularly as I would like to,
(14:40):
but we aim for it.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
We're pretty good about every other week.
We've missed a few of that andI think that's about right.
You know there's the uh marktwain saying that talk about
politicians and baby diapers.
That should be changedfrequently.
For the same reason, uh, andI'm thinking about when we talk
about a podcast you want to hitagain, we're talking about
(15:02):
hitting a sweet spot.
There's a reason why, whentelevision programming came
along and they began to come upwith programming of television,
that they set on the once a weektype of model for television
programming, because any morethan that could be too much, but
any less than that lessens thefrequency of people tuning in,
(15:26):
because it becomes a habit.
We settled on two.
I think a lot of pod, I know alot of podcasts do once a week.
There are some that do it everyday but they're more of general
use podcasts and it's almostlike you.
Just you know you said a lot intune with radio.
I think they'll take the JoeRogan experience, for example.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
I mean he's on every day.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
They says they're like four hours long and they're
long, but that's kind of likeold radio programs used to be,
you know, because it wassomething people turned into.
But when you're having aspecialty, niche things like
ours, people probably don't wantto hear that every day.
And first off, how much contentCan you come up with content
for something every day?
I would hate to.
(16:11):
How much content can you comeup with content for something
every day?
I would hate to.
I mean, I write a newspapercolumn and I spend sometimes two
hours staring at my ceilingtrying to figure out what I'm
going to write on that week.
I would hate to have to come upwith something every day to do
that.
So I think that's something yougot to hit on, you know, once a
week, I think it's fine.
We do once every two weeks, Ithink those are good.
(16:31):
I think once's fine.
We do once every two weeks, Ithink those are good.
I think once a month is tooinfrequent and probably more
than once a week for mostpodcasts is too frequent and I
would think you would want toget somewhere in between that.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Yeah, and I do know some people who do it once a
month.
Another thing you want to thinkabout is guests.
Now we have guests on our showquite a bit, but then there's
times that it's just you and meand guests.
We've had some really goodguests and I want to thank
(17:03):
everybody who's been on our showbecause they've made it good.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
That's right, We've had fantastic guests.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
They've I mean they've made it good.
That's right.
We've had fantastic guests.
Sometimes the problem withguests is a you know, like you
were saying, you sit down, youlook at this ceiling, so what
are we going to talk about?
Who can we get?
So it's sometimes getting yourguests or guests available even.
And then it's also scheduling,because we do and this is
something we talk about later onbut how do we do the technology
(17:34):
that we use?
You know, we do our interviewsand our discussions via Zoom.
We're on Zoom right now.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
There's other platforms people can use.
Well, that's a good thing totalk about, gene.
I mean, I know we're talkingabout other things to talk about
.
Tell people we can tell people.
You've got to have a platform,you've got to have somebody host
this thing.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
There's no thing, you just throw out there and hope
people listen to it.
Well, and you've got to thinkabout other things too, right?
What kind of microphones areyou going to get?
There's technology, there'smicrophones.
There's technology, there'smicrophones.
There's Zoom, there's computers, and I mean there are some
things to think about.
I'll tell you one thing I workwith this one public access
(18:22):
station here in Houston that Ido some work with, and I had to
take this media savviness classright, understanding media, and
one of the things they taught usthat's always stuck with me and
really is true is that forevery minute you're on the air
right, that you're broadcastingor you're recording or whatever
(18:44):
think about 10 minutes toprepare, right, so it's what
you're seeing, the, the showitself, and I think this is true
of television too, right?
Uh, or movies, what you see,that final product is the tip of
the iceberg, and underneath thewater is a giant amount of
planning and thought and ideasthat went into that.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
So planning is, pre-planning is essential I
agree, and you know we make.
You know we make a lot ofourselves and when it's a joke
we talk about, we just come onand ramble oh, we're just going
to wing this.
But that's not generally truebefore either one of us go on
the air.
We have come up with and spenttime coming up with questions,
coming up with some knowledge ofwho are if we have a guest, who
(19:30):
they are, what they've done, uh, what are some of the things
that that they are known for, sowe can prepare for questions
and things like that.
But even more than that thatthis knowledge and research, to
some extent, if it goes in acertain direction, you have to
be ready to follow it in thatdirection, so you have something
about that to bring it out.
So so I think that's.
(19:51):
I think that's another one I've.
I've listened to some podcastsbefore there's.
They're sports related mostly,and you can just tell and some
of them gain quite a bit oflistenership that these guys
thought the idea of a pocket wasjust them Like.
I'll go back to the analogy ofin a bar.
This is just me pontificatingabout sports in a bar.
(20:11):
And I'm just going to come onhere and talk about sports.
You know what?
There's no sustaining powerthere, because how often do you
want to listen to some guypontificate about how great the
New York Yankees are, but fromlike he's on a bar stool.
You know what you do in barswith those people.
You move away from them.
You don't want to listen tothem on that.
(20:35):
So so you do have to have asomewhat.
You've got to be knowledgeable,but you have to also again, do
your research to some extent.
Be prepared.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
I think that's the best thing before you go on the
air be prepared well, I'm goingto give an example from a recent
couple of shows that we did,scott, and that was on the
hurricanes.
You know, we did two episodeson hurricanes in Texas history
and I did a little bit ofresearch.
Yeah, I knew, but I got to tellyou, scott, you really did a
(21:00):
lot of research.
I think you said that youwanted to turn that into one of
those columns that you write youwere going to do that.
So you were doing a little bitof extra research.
But I've got to say you, youreally, you really uh carried a
lot of water for that and thatwas a a lot of.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
that was because you know what I learned a lot and I
started looking into it and Isaid this is, this is damned
interesting.
Some of these, some of thesehurricanes, particularly some of
those in, the, uh, 18th and19th century, I'd never, never
heard of, I didn't know aboutthat.
They happened to have theconsequences.
So it was kind of amazing to dothat.
But yeah, you do, you got to doyour prep.
You can't just get on there andwing it.
(21:39):
One other thing, gene, I thinkthis goes.
someone probably would thenthink about it, but you think
about hosts and how you want todo this and how you want to set
this up.
Hosts, and how you want to dothis and how you want to set
this up.
You and I are lucky becausewe've known each other a long
time and we're used to justtalking with each other.
That's why we that's one of thestrengths of I've heard of
(22:00):
people say it that's one of thestrengths of our podcast, cause
we sound like we're having aconversation.
But that's probably lucky onour part that it happened.
It probably doesn't happen thatway.
Very often You're going tostart a podcast and if you're
going to have hosts together,y'all better have some rapport.
You better know what you'redoing together.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
And you know people think, oh well, I've got some
friends and we'll just you know,kind of like, sit around the
bar and talk.
It's not that easy and you'vegot to think about people that
you can interact with.
I was watching TV last nightand there was a rerun of one of
the late night shows and theywere interviewing Steve Martin
(22:40):
and Martin Short.
You know those guys have beenworking together 40 years and
they finish each other'ssentences.
They have these.
I think it's a stable of jokesthat they tell about and about
each other right they sit aroundand they insult each other.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
And they made it a certain shtick, if you will,
about the deal, martin Short'skind of the sardonic and most
biting, if you will, of thesardonic, uh, you know, uh, and
most biting, if you will of thetwo.
And see, martin, it's almostkind of naive-ish about things
and about and they just go backand forth each other.
I thought you were going totalk about.
(23:21):
You first came in the lightnight, because this is what came
.
This also ages me, what cameinto my mind, and it was
something I read too often alsoabout how close knit, and not
just close because they hung outtogether, but because they knew
what each other was going to dowhen they perform.
Remember Johnny Carson and EdMcMahon?
Oh right, those guys were,their timing with each other was
(23:44):
perfect at all and they knewtheir role, they knew what
they're supposed to do, and Ithink that's part of it Each of
you is.
I think that some of yourco-hosting, as you go on, you'll
develop this is what thisperson does and this is what
this person does, and the job ofthe other person is to make
sure you make sure you canamplify what the other person
(24:05):
does.
Well, and vice versa.
On that, and I think, andthat's something that you have
to think about before.
So again, it has to be someoneyou have good rapport with
before you would do somethinglike that.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Yeah, and you know so .
And the other thing is is that,who are you going to do the
show all the time by yourself?
Are you going to have the sameperson you're working with, or
you have to have similar sameperson you're working with, or
you have to have similarschedules too, right?
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Scheduling is a big thing, but also.
Scheduling is easy for usbecause we barely work.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
That's true.
But you know, and it's also thescheduling, but it's also who
is going to carry the show of.
One person can't do it one weekor one month or whatever.
You know, people get sick.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
People get sick.
People have different things.
We've had differentcircumstances.
I think back I don't evenremember which one it was where
you were having some sort ofproblem.
You were having a drive.
Take somebody to school yeah,one time I pick something up and
then your audio cat out.
My first thought when thathappens, oh my God.
This is now I have to carrythis sucker off by myself, but
(25:23):
because I'd done a littleresearch and we were good, we'd
done this, that was well into ayear when that happened.
I was able to do that.
So that's one thing you have to, but you know, genius, there's
another thing you have to, butyou know, there's another thing
that you haven't talked topeople about.
That I think it's veryimportant and it's the part of
this podcast that you handle forus.
I have nothing to do with thisfolks Cause.
I know I'm like SergeantSchultz and Hogan's heroes.
(25:44):
I know nothing.
All right About the technologyof a podcast.
You know.
Here's what I know about apodcast.
I joined the technology.
I joined the link that genesends me.
I hook up my microphone y'allcan't see it when I'm showing
jeans I hook up my microphone uh, to my computer and I wait for
gene to let me into his room sowe can start.
(26:06):
All the other technology isyours.
So let people know what theyneed to have, what they need to
do about that technology well,you're going to need a
microphone.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Now a lot of people could say, well, I've got a
laptop or a tablet or my phone,I'll just plug something into
that.
Well, it's not always the wayit works and you've got to have
good, good-ish technology.
Now I don't know what kind ofmicrophone you're using.
I don't remember offhand, butI've got a.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
What is it?
It's called a blue, as I wouldsay, a blue bluetooth microphone
I.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
I've got one, a blue as well, a thx, so we're both
using very similar microphones.
Sometimes I might, depending onwhere we are, I've been known
to use my ear pads or my airpads, air pods.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
I've used those.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
We've done it at home a couple of times as well, and
so I use Mac, which I think is alittle bit easier to use than
than my PC.
I use the PC at work, think isa little bit easier to use than
my PC.
I use the PC at work and usethe Mac at home.
But yeah, so we're using itZoom.
Zoom is across multipleplatforms, but you know, so just
(27:26):
using what is on your computerisn't necessarily going to work,
because that microphone is notreally made for up-close voice.
It's a condenser voice thatpicks up a lot of noise.
You want a microphone that'ssomewhat dynamic.
It picks up your voice but itdoesn't register extraneous
(27:48):
noise.
And if you've got a good enoughmicrophone, even if it is a
condenser, you can work aroundthat.
But you've got to think abouthaving a decent microphone.
And that's probably the biggestissue, right?
Because how does it plug intoyour computer?
How does it plug into yourrecording device?
If you're using a recordingdevice and not Zoom, are you
(28:13):
going to have a separate?
Most everybody's using digitalthese days, right?
So you can have digitalrecording devices.
Zoom, which is a differentcompany from the video
conferencing company.
There's another company calledZoom.
They make microphones, theymake cameras and they make
podcasting devices, so theremight be some expense.
(28:33):
You need to do some researchinto that.
What kind of plug-in is itgoing to take?
Because there's USB plugs,there's stick plugs and then
there's four-prong plugs that goin.
You have to figure that out.
So spend some time researchingthat.
(28:53):
What kind of microphone, whatkind of expenses do you want?
And then you've got to look ata couple of other things, like
who's going to host your podcast, and you know what, scott, I'm
going to say.
There's a little bit more totalk about, not only the
technology, but the marketing.
And why don't we?
(29:15):
We're just we're running upagainst the time stamp here.
We'll do another one like wesay why don't we do another one?
Speaker 1 (29:21):
we'll just do another one and we'll talk about all
these other extraneous ideas andthen we'll ramble on like we're
at a bar, because if one thingwe've discovered now is doing a
podcast, I guess is analogous tositting at a bar with a drunk
right.
You know what?
I've listened?
Speaker 2 (29:39):
to some podcasts.
We could start drinking in ourpodcast.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
We could start drinking.
I've actually thought about hey, let's just see what you know.
You say that, but our friend,joe Pellerin, had an idea one
time he's been on here before.
He wanted to do a sportspodcast and he wanted to call it
uh two guys, two guys, uh witha, with, with a shot and a cigar
.
Uh, the idea was that it wouldbe, you know, uh, you sitting in
(30:02):
a bar talking, but then he,then his wife, had a baby and he
became a father and that kindof fell away for him.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
So but yeah, I think there's plenty of time.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
That's right.
I think there's plenty ofplenty of material for us to do
this again.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
And we'll talk, so part two will be coming up.
So I hope we got someinformation across and some
things to think about, and we'llpick this up where we left off
next time, ok.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Absolutely Goodbye, everybody, bye.
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