November 18, 2024 • 61 mins
Can demons infiltrate marriages and relationships? In this episode of The Blind Exorcist, I interview Lucas and Diane Wagenaar, a married couple who overcame intense spiritual warfare, emotional torment, and demonic oppression through the power of exorcism and biblical deliverance.
📌 What you’ll learn in this episode:
✅ How demons manipulate emotional wounds to destroy relationships
✅ The spiritual danger of soul ties and sexual connections
✅ Breaking generational curses and demonic patterns in marriage
✅ How deliverance and inner healing brought freedom in Christ
✅ Why spiritual warfare impacts even successful professionals
Lucas and Diane share how deliverance ministry not only restored their marriage but deepened their walk with God. Their story is proof that spiritual freedom is possible—no matter how deep the oppression.
🔥 If your relationship is under spiritual attack or you’ve noticed unexplainable tension, this episode is a must-listen. Share it with others who need freedom and restoration through Jesus Christ.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, I'm Justin D, your host, and welcome to
episode 28 of the Blind Exorcist.
Today's episode is all aboutrelationships, whether you're
single, dating, engaged ormarried.
This is for you.
My guests, lucas and DianeWagner, are a married couple
who've been through exorcismsessions.
(00:20):
We're pulling back the curtainto reveal how demons operate in
relationships and marriages.
We'll also dive into thespiritual impacts of dating,
engagement and even explicitsexual experiences.
My hope is that this episodewill be especially helpful for
young adults navigating theseseasons of life, giving you
(00:44):
insight into how Satan caninfluence relationships.
If you know someone who's single, dating, engaged or married, I
encourage you to share thisepisode with them.
It's packed with valuableinsights for everyone.
Lucas and Diane are highlyeducated and retired after
holding high-level positions incorporate America.
(01:07):
I share this because one of thegoals of this podcast is to
challenge the misconception thatdemons only affect people whose
lives seem chaotic or broken.
Success, wealth and theappearance of normalcy don't
make anyone immune to demonpossession.
(01:27):
Lucas and Diane's story is apowerful example of how even the
most successful and functionallives can face these challenges.
If this show has helped you inany way, I'd be grateful if
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Your financial support allowsme to keep bringing you powerful
(01:48):
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Just tap on support the show inthe show notes and thank you
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Every contribution goesdirectly toward making this show
(02:11):
possible.
Now let's dive in and uncoverthe truth about how the enemy
works in relationships and howfreedom is possible through
Jesus Christ.
Let's get started.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Lucas Diane.
Welcome to the Blind Exorcist.
Hey Justin, thank you forhaving us on today.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Yes, Justin, we are very excited to be on here today
.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
I appreciate both of you taking the time to come on
today.
Your story is very powerful andtoday, folks, like I mentioned
in the introduction, we're goingto be focusing on relationships
, dating, marriage and thetransfer of demons.
This is going to be a goodtopic.
(03:03):
If you know somebody that'sengaged, you know somebody
that's dating, I'd encourage youto share this out to them.
This is going to be verypowerful.
A lot of people have questionsabout how can you get demons by
having sex?
How can you get demons as aChristian couple if you're
married?
How is that even possible?
(03:24):
We're going to dissect thattoday.
We're going to get into it.
So I'm going to go ahead andstart here and, as you guys know
that have been listening for awhile, normally I start back in
childhood, because oftentimesthat's where demons enter.
Oftentimes that's where peoplego through trauma.
(03:44):
Demons enter through trauma.
Demons enter throughdysfunctional family patterns.
Demons enter people at birthfrom generational curses.
Now, obviously, no one's lifeis 100% terrible nor 100% good,
but most demonic possessionstarts in childhood.
(04:07):
And I want to point out realquickly and we're going to get
into this but Lucas and Dianethey are highly intelligent
individuals, educated and areretired at this point, but work
professionally in pretty high uppositions.
You guys know that.
(04:33):
Have been listening for a while.
One of my intentions of startingthis podcast was to show that
people who have demons are notcrazy.
That's the stereotype they'recrazy.
I'm above this.
There's no way that I couldhave demons, being college
educated, or even if you work ina factory or drive UPS or
Amazon like you're functioningin life, so you're normal.
(04:54):
There's no way I could havedemons, doesn't matter that I'm
addicted to pornography oralcoholism or I fall in and out
of depression.
That's not demons, that's justlife.
Right?
No, it's not just life.
We're going to get into this,lucas.
Let's start with you Now.
What I find very interestingabout you, lucas, is that you
(05:16):
are originally from theNetherlands.
I think that's amazing.
So I'm going to come over toyou here now and I'd like you to
tell us about your childhood.
What was it like being raisedin the Netherlands and what was
it like in your family growingup?
What was that dynamic like?
(05:37):
Lucas, go ahead, you're up.
I grew up in the.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Netherlands, of course.
I was born there in a smalltown, onlo, which is in the
province of Drenthe.
The Netherlands has 12provinces.
Some people will know it asHolland, but Holland is really
only a subset of the wholeNetherlands.
Grew up there, went to schoolthere.
I grew up with my mom and mydad and we moved around a little
(06:03):
bit.
My dad and we moved around alittle bit.
My dad changed the jobs quitefrequently.
I thought it was a very normaltype of upbringing.
Went to school there.
Eventually I did my electricalengineering and I got a degree
in electrical engineering,worked there for a number of
years in the Netherlands and inGermany.
(06:25):
I had a pretty good upbringing.
We did have some issues and wecan talk about that maybe a
little bit later, but it waspretty good.
My mom died when I was 16, andmy dad got remarried and then
when I was 25, I moved to Canadaand eventually in 97, I moved
(06:45):
to the United States.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Thanks, lucas, for sharing your career history with
us.
Diane, I want to come over toyou now.
Let's talk about your childhood.
Where were you born?
What was your family life likecoming up, and was there
anything that stuck out to you,that was tough for you during
your childhood or teenage years?
Or was your childhood teenageyears, quote unquote normal, as
(07:11):
well as what Lucas explained?
Speaker 3 (07:13):
So thank you, justin.
So my upbringing was quite abit different.
From Lucas, who grew up in theNetherlands, I grew up in
Nebraska, so the small town inNebraska and the thing about my
life and to put a little contextaround it, if you would ask me
any time while I was growing up,I would say my life was
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wonderful.
I had the mindset it was normal, it was positive, I had a good
upbringing, everything was great.
In actuality, I was the onlychild in second grade from a
divorced family.
Now, this was 40 years ago.
There were no divorced familiesin our town, hardly at all.
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In second grade I was the onlyone from a divorced family and I
was being raised by my father,which was totally unheard of.
People used to practicallycross to the other side of the
street so they didn't have towalk on the same side of the
street as we were because wewere just that different.
But I felt Dad loved us and heshowed he cared for us and that
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was my upbringing.
But in actuality there was not alot of love in the family.
There was a lot of abuse.
I was always the people pleaserand I looked for the positive
in life.
I didn't pay attention to thebeatings.
I didn't pay attention to themanipulations that went on.
I just in my mind the only wayI could cope was by saying my
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life was great.
So that's how I grew up.
And saying my life was great sothat's how I grew up.
And when I was the, when I wasthe late teenager, I found that
I had.
I went to sexual partnersbecause that was what I thought
love was.
That's where you find love witha man, because growing up with
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my father, who always had theguys over, you always hear them
talking about sex and how goodit is.
So that's how I.
That's what my feeling of lovewas.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
I'm so sorry to hear you had to experience a
sexualized understanding of awoman in your childhood and
teenage years.
What about your career?
Can you tell us some about it?
Speaker 3 (09:25):
I lived in a town that was a railroad town and
everybody went to work for therailroad the day you graduated.
I went to work for the railroadthe day after I graduated high
school, had no intention ofgetting a college degree, just
wanted to go to work, to partyand do all the fun stuff.
But moving forward, I I had.
I moved twice with company.
I ended up in Denver, colorado,and I was married and had two
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children.
Two small children got adivorce and I moved to Texas and
through that move it was veryhard and I was a clerk making
not very much money and I keptgoing to my boss saying you have
to promote me because I havethese two children that I'm not
going to be able to afford tosupport.
(10:10):
And they kept telling me youneed a college degree.
And I said, how can I get acollege degree?
I have two children at home andI'm working full time?
And finally they convinced meif I just started taking one
class, that the company wouldpromote me.
So I thought, okay, I can dothat, I can take one class.
Lo and behold, I took one classand four years later I had a
(10:31):
full college degree.
I had raised my two children.
While raising my two children,I never missed any of their
games or anything.
And when I talk to my childrennow, it was such a great
experience for them to watch megoing through this.
But at the time, of course, itwas very hard.
But once I had my degree, thecompany I worked for really
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helped me and put me on asuccession plan.
I went on to get a master'sdegree actually, and they moved
me around the company a coupleplaces and I was always in a
customer-facing role.
I'm outgoing, I'm friendly andI was always in customer-facing
and I'd been with the companyfor 42 years.
I moved down to Houston.
That's where Lucas and Iactually met and it was supposed
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to be a temporary move for meand then I was going to go on to
my next promoted position.
But the Lord had differentplans for me and I had been
single for a long time, nointention of having any career
with a man or a life with a manat all.
I was just career oriented andgoing for the big bucks and that
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and I was loving that.
I was traveling all over andhad all the points and
everything.
It was wonderful.
And then Lucas and I happenedto meet everything.
It was wonderful.
And then Lucas and I happenedto meet, and the same weekend
that we met.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
I gave my life to Jesus Christ.
Diane, thank you so much forsharing your history with all of
us.
It's interesting.
I think a lot of people canrelate to this getting educated
to make money and make money andthere's so many people now that
really are single becausethey're chasing that corporate
dream, the money and all of that.
(12:13):
So this is a good episode forpeople to be challenged.
God loves family.
God loves children, right, hemade us and be fruitful and
multiply.
That's what God said in Genesis.
He loves family, he wants ahuge family, he wants a big
family in heaven.
He's all about family, right?
So, lucas, she brought up.
(12:35):
You guys met and got married.
Tell me a little bit from yourperspective.
How did you meet, diane?
Where did you guys first meet?
How did this unfold?
Speaker 2 (12:46):
So I just got out of a divorce.
I was married in 84, and I wasmarried for a long time, almost
28 years, and things didn't govery well and anyway.
So I went through a divorce andafter divorce, I like to have
some company, and, and afterdivorce, I like to have some
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company, and and I was goingonline to find somebody for just
having some fun with, to go outwith, and, and then I'm.
I ran across an, an onlinecontact.
It was Diane that I startedtalking to, and what was
interesting is you talk todifferent people on online and
and they have certain ways ofsaying, okay, fine, but I'm not
interested.
(13:29):
So, diane, we were talking backand forth and Diane says I'm
going to go to Hawaii for for aweek and so I won't be able to
talk to you anymore until I comeback, and usually that's code,
for it was nice meeting you, butwe'll see you later, alligator.
And so what was interesting isshe left on Wednesday or
something, and on Thursday I hada text from her again and she
(13:52):
says I thought you were going tosend me some pictures and I
said I thought you were inHawaii and she goes yes, but I
brought my daughter's computerand so we can still talk.
So anyway, I sent her somepictures and she goes oh, she
(14:14):
liked it and she gave me herphone number, I think eventually
, and we started to talk and wehad our first live date.
We went for dinner at Papa's inHouston and we had a great time
.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Thanks, lucas, for sharing your life with us.
I love the story of how you andDiane met after both
experiencing divorce.
It's so inspiring to see Godrestore both of you into a
healthy and thriving marriage,now shifting gears a bit.
As a married couple, how didyou first come to realize that
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you guys had demons?
Speaker 2 (14:45):
I was telling her about the Illuminati, there was
a guy at work.
He says all this music businessand everything is all from the
devil and it's the Illuminatiand you should look into it.
So I started looking into itand, sure enough, it's all
demonic and everything.
And I started telling Dianeabout it.
She didn't want to hear aboutit, and so I kept on trying and
(15:08):
after about six months of slowlyprobing and telling her a
little bit about it, she wasgetting a little bit more open
to accept it.
And so one night I said hey, Igot this little YouTube video, I
want you to see this.
And so we're sitting there onthe couch watching TV and
(15:28):
Diana's acting a little funny.
And I said what's going on?
And she goes something's goingon.
And before I knew it she ismanifesting.
And of course I had watchedsome videos from Bob Larson, and
so I was grabbing a Bible andshe's laying on the floor
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manifesting and I'm going, whoa,what am I doing?
And so I go come out in Jesus'name.
And I tried everything.
I thought I knew what I hadlearned from those videos, but
at the end of the day the demonswere laughing at me and I
couldn't do anything about it.
And I go this is over my head,I need help.
(16:12):
And so we called Bob Larson.
We called the churches too, butof course they know nothing
about this stuff.
And so we called Bob Larson andwe went.
We drove all the way fromHouston to Nashville and we got
our first delivery that day.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Okay, let me explain for those of you who might not
be familiar with the termIlluminati.
The Illuminati is often broughtup in conspiracy theories, but
does have factual evidence toprove its existence.
It's described as a secretivegroup of powerful elites who are
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said to control world events,governments and financial
systems behind the scenes.
Many believe they're workingtowards something called a new
world order, which is basicallythe idea of a global government
entirely under their control.
The World Economic Forum withKlaus Schwab is often mentioned
by people as being an example ofthe Illuminati.
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They use things like media,politics and even the economy to
push their agenda.
Hopefully that clears it up.
For those wondering, I'llinclude a link in the show notes
to Pastor Billy Crone, who hasdone thorough research on the
World Economic Forum and KlausSchwab's role in promoting this
agenda.
(17:34):
Now you both are Christians.
Right now You're saved, lucasis saved, and all of a sudden
you're manifesting a demon.
But I want to know from you,diane, what actually happened.
Like you're telling Lucassomething's wrong.
But what happened?
What triggered this?
What were you feeling?
What were the thoughts in yourhead?
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What was going on?
Speaker 3 (17:57):
I'm going to go back to the movie the Exorcist that I
watched when I was younger andthat movie never scared me.
It was always interesting to meand I always saw that they said
come out in Jesus name, comeout in Jesus name, and that it
worked.
So that was always in the backof my mind.
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And then here Lucas is talkingabout this Illuminati and the
devil.
And I was taught in church youdon't talk about the devil
because it gives you power.
So that was my mindset.
But he was chipping away at itand we watched some of Bob
Larson's videos and he wasalways saying come out in Jesus
name.
And here we are, we're watchingearthquake Kelly and you can
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actually Google earthquake Kellyand he'll come up.
He's a wonderful guy toresearch about.
He was in the demonorganization and then he got out
and now he's a pastor, butanyway.
So we're watching him and he'stalking about how he used to
tell these little demons to goplaces.
So I'm laying there on thecouch and I'm like if I happen
to have a demon, and this is allin my head, I'm saying I'm
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going to say get out in Jesusname.
And only in my mind.
I wasn't saying it out loud.
I just said come out in Jesus'name, come out in Jesus' name.
And I was saying that over andover in my head and all of a
sudden I felt my stomachrumbling and everything it just
I was going crazy and gettingnervous.
I just kept saying come out inJesus' name, come out in Jesus'
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name.
And then behold, here I wassaying stuff and acting all
goofy and I knew it wasn't me,but it was talking out of my
mouth and, like Lucas said, helooked at me and he realized it
wasn't me.
You could tell by the look onmy face, by the tone of my voice
.
And he went and found a Bible,tried to hit it on me and, like
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you said, the demon basicallylaughed at him, kept telling him
his name was Jeannie and thenhe'd be laughing.
And I want to say that we wentto bed that night after that
failed exorcism and I slept inthe spare room and Lucas slept
in another room and I felt likethe dirtiest, most awful thing
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in the world.
The demons were just doublingdown on me telling me I was
worthless.
I thought this wonderful manthat I've had this wonderful
relationship with isn't evengoing to want to come near me
with a 10-foot pole the next dayit was just terrible.
And all night I didn't get anysleep.
The demon was just telling mehow awful I was all night filthy
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, dirty thing.
And we got up the next morningand Lucas is sitting across from
me and of course we're both alittle bit freaked out and I
said I'll get my stuff and I'llleave, I'll go to my go home.
And he looked at me, says I'mnot leaving you like this, I
can't leave you like this, we'regoing to fix this.
And that was all the demonsneeded to hear.
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They just it just vanishedright then.
All the worry, all theeverything just.
I had hope then and that maybethis guy was going to stick with
me and help me figure it out.
We drove 11 hours I think itwas actually 13 hours to see Bob
Larson.
We left at three o'clock in theafternoon and we had an eight
o'clock appointment to see BobLarson.
We left at three o'clock in theafternoon and we had an eight
o'clock appointment with him thenext day.
We drove all night long and gotthere five in the morning, got
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an hour of sleep and then wentinto a deliverance session with
Bob Larson.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
This is very interesting to me as an exorcist
.
Now there's a couple of thingsI want to break apart here, guys
, so you can understand.
Number one Lucas did not havethe training.
He watched a couple YouTubevideos, maybe he read a couple
books on deliverance, but he'snever been educated and he tries
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to cast out demons and itdoesn't work.
No fault of his, but I think alot of people doing deliverance
does exactly this.
They hodgepodge, watch a videohere from this ministry, another
one from this ministry, maybeone from Larson.
They write down some notes Okay, I'm a deliverance minister,
come out in Jesus' name.
(22:03):
No, I always encourage you guyslistening, be careful.
There's a lot of people outthere that are not qualified to
be doing what they're doingbecause they have not went
through a certification processwhere they're educated Okay.
So that's the first thing topoint out.
The other thing to point out isthat they had no clue that Diane
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had demons until this happened,and this is later in life, and
many of you listening have neverhad a demon manifest because
it's never been challenged.
You think the depression'snormal.
You think the panic attacks isnormal.
You think the things youstruggle with is just the sinful
nature, the lust or whatever itmight be, the addictions.
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That's just a sinful nature.
You have to resist it.
But your demons have never beenchallenged.
And so Diane challenges them ina naive way.
Right, it's not like she hasthis high education, but she's
like hey, if I have any demons,I want them out.
So come out in Jesus' name.
Come out in Jesus' name and bam, they come up.
Come out in Jesus' name and bam, they come up.
(23:08):
This is interesting.
Up until that point, there wereno demons, and there may not be
demons in your life that youcan identify.
I do have people occasionallycome to me just to see.
It's not too often.
People come to me to say, hey,I just want to see if you can
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kick something up in me, just incase, but it happens
occasionally.
Most people that come to meknow they have demons, no
questions asked.
So here you have a marriedcouple, christians.
Both of them have been throughdivorces.
I myself have went through adivorce.
You can listen to my story inepisode one, overcoming the
Darkness.
Many of you can relate to this.
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And they're married and there'sdemons.
They can't handle it.
They drive out to Bob Larson.
Now I'm going to eventually begetting into how this unfolded,
the marriage of Lucas and Diane.
Demons transfer through sex,and I don't say that in a dirty
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way, this is the truth.
If you have demons, whether youknow it or not, and you bond
with your partner sexually, thetwo become one and demons
transfer.
Lucas has no clue, diane hasdemons.
Diane has no clue, she hasdemons.
But they're married and theyhave bonded sexually and because
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of that bond, the demons thatare in Diane or if there are
demons in Lucas can transferback and forth between the
partners.
We see this all the time.
It's very common.
It's very common.
This is one reason why God saysto wait for marriage, because it
adds an element like don't havesex before marriage, because
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when you do that, it's sin andyou establish the relationship
in the kingdom of darkness.
You have made a covenant, asexual contract, a sexual
covenant in the kingdom ofdarkness that gives Satan full
reign to your marriage.
And if you have children, alsoyour children, because you have
established a legal agreement, alegal contract in the kingdom
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of darkness by having sexoutside of marriage.
By the way, I'm not judging,I'm fact-finding here.
This is just facts.
This is literal, hardcore facts, ma'am.
And when you have sex outside ofmarriage, you get demons and
just saying I'm sorry, jesus,forgive us.
They don't go away.
That's repentance.
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That's a good thing, but that'snot renunciation.
Renunciation is completelydifferent.
When you renounce something tobreak the legal contract, then
you got to go through theexorcism and get them expelled,
and that's a process.
It's not just come out in thename of Jesus.
I wish it was that easy, maybefor some smaller demons.
But exorcism that's why we'rehere.
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So I'm just sharing some of thiswith you guys to give you guys
food for thought, because manyof you have been divorced.
You may have had demons fromyour first partner, your second
partner, your third partner, etc.
Etc.
These are all people who havetrauma.
Demons enter through trauma,they enter generationally, and
so you got demons.
Lucas and Diane, for the firsttime ever in their marriage, in
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their life, really, truly haveseen evil Demons manifested,
speaking through Diane.
I'm going to come back to you,lucas and Diane, here in just a
second, but I want you to thinkabout that.
You who are married, thinkabout that.
What was your life like beforemarriage?
What was your partner's lifelike before marriage?
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Was there trauma?
Were there demons that entered?
Chances are yes, okay.
So Lucas and Diane, you go toDr Larson.
You work through an exorcismthere.
Lucas, you're watching this,diane's going through this
exorcism.
What were you thinking, lucas,when you're watching Diane go
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through this exorcism?
What were you thinking, lucas,when you're watching Diane go
through this exorcism?
What were some of your thoughtsat that point?
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Wow, yeah, that was quite something.
Of course, when Dianemanifested in our living room,
that was horrifying and I didn'tknow what to do, and so we
finally figured out okay, theonly place we can get these
demons cast out is through BobLarson, and so that's why we
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went there.
And so then Diane is sitting ina chair and Bob is, dr Larson
is talking to her, finding outwhat is going on, and finally,
after actually two hours, thedemons manifested and he cast
them out.
It was quite the experience,and when you see the demons
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there, you understand a lot moreabout the spiritual world,
about spiritual warfare.
We go to church and the pastortalks about spiritual warfare
and we think, okay, fine, but wedon't realize what that's all
about, and so we startedlearning about it.
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I was so interested in all ofthis and I wanted to know more
about it, wanted to know how youcould protect yourself, how do
we do curse, break it, and howdo we get rid of these demons,
and so we started.
We signed up for theInternational School of Exorcism
with Bob Larson because Ithought, first of all, as a
Christian, I think we need toknow what our enemy is and we
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need to learn their strategy sothat we can deal with it.
And we started the school and wegot graduated from that and we
learned how to deal with it.
And we started the school andwe got graduated from that and
we learned how to deal with this.
And we started actually signingup with the DWJD.
Do what Jesus Did and we triedit ourselves and then any time
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that Bob Lawson would come totown, to either Houston or
Dallas, we would go sit in withhim on these sessions and
learning more and more about it,and so that's how we got into
it.
But the first couple of timeswas, wow, this is interesting
and very complicated, especiallywhen you talk about
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disassociated identities oralters and they can be alters
from earlier generations, couldbe alters of a soul, part that
is younger in a person's life,and so all kinds of different
things that we have to reallylearn how all these pieces fit
together and how to deal with it.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Yes, it can be very complex and that's why I always
share with you guys that it'snot just come out in the name of
Jesus.
There's so much.
There's disassociation, wherepeople split off from trauma,
the generational curses.
There's things passed downthrough DNA.
Oh, it's so involved and it'svery methodical.
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It's involved, it's clinical.
Oh, I'm just thankful thatJesus allows me to serve him and
serve all of you guys in thisway.
It's a beautiful thing to expeldemons because it's a healing
ministry.
Exorcism isn't about castingout demons.
It's about healing people fromtheir traumas, their broken
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hearts and getting rid of thetormentors.
Traumas, their broken heartsand getting rid of the
tormentors.
Like Diane mentioned, thatnight it was so bad in her mind
because once the demons gotstirred up, then they're like
you're terrible, he'll neverlove you, you're a bad person,
all these thoughts in her head,to the point where she gets up
in the morning and at breakfastsays I'll pack my bags and leave
.
And there are many of youlistening right now that have
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demons and they're the ones whoare talking to you.
They're not your thoughts.
They're not your thoughtstelling you're worthless, no one
will love you, you'll always bealone.
Whatever the thoughts are thatyou hear.
Those are demons influencingyour emotions, pushing you
towards something.
Oftentimes it's death.
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Anyhow, whether it's suicide oraddiction or whatever that's
their nature, they're going topush you to die in some way
emotionally, physically,whatever.
Keep that in mind.
These voices that you're hearingand they're not all the time
what do you hear when you lookinto the mirror?
Can you look in your own eyes?
Can you look in your own eyesin the mirror?
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And if you can, or whether youcan or cannot, what do you hear
when you look in the mirror?
Do you hear something positive?
You're a beautiful child of God.
Jesus Christ cares about you.
He loves you.
Is that what you hear when youlook in the mirror?
Or when you go and pick up abeer and crack it open and start
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drinking it or smokingmarijuana?
What are you hearing?
Something's pushing you towardthat.
My point is demons talk throughthoughts and oftentimes the
thoughts sound like your own,but they're not you.
Demons speak through yourthoughts and oftentimes the
thoughts sound like your own,but they're not you.
Demons speak through yourthoughts and it can sound like
your own thoughts, but it's notyour own thoughts.
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Diane, I'm going to come backto you.
You go through an exorcism withDr Larson.
My question for you you'regetting freed up.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Did Lucas have demons ?
Yes, but getting to that routewas quite a bit different, and
let me go back.
So what Lucas said we wentthrough the ISE and then we
started dipping our toes intodeliverance ourselves and,
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looking back on it, we werebabies in deliverance ministries
, but you know what the HolySpirit is so wonderful.
We were able to set some peoplefree and it started giving us
confidence and we startedlearning and experience.
But Lucas could not manifest.
He would, would not.
He sat in front of Bob Larsonand he sat in front of Bob
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Larson a couple times and Bobcouldn't get him to manifest.
We could tell there wassomething there and so there was
one time, when we were in frontof Bob Larson, lucas was in the
chair, I was sitting behind himand Adrian, who was a friend of
ours, was sitting there and hesaid wait, I think the demons
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just moved from Lucas to Diane.
And Bob looks at him and sayswhat?
And says okay, let's tradeplaces.
And I got in the chair and Imanifest, because I manifest
easily, easily.
And Bob was able to talk todemons that were in Lucas, and
so that was new to us and weweren't really sure about that.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Let me interrupt just for a minute just to make sure
I'm understanding this correctly.
And for others, lucas cannotmanifest, and that's common with
people who are analytical andlogical.
They have trouble setting asidetheir logic or letting go of
the control and makingthemselves vulnerable.
Sometimes this happens, soLucas cannot manifest.
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Someone there named Adrianthinks that the demons in Lucas
have transferred to you, diane.
Okay, and so you, diane, sitdown and Dr Larson begins to
address demons in your body, inDiane's body, that are actually
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the demons from Lucas, who wouldnot manifest in him.
Is this correct, diane?
Speaker 3 (34:54):
That's correct, and I can do better than that if you
want me to.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Let me flush this out for just a minute Now.
I know those of you listeningare like this is crazy.
There's absolutely no waydemons in Lucas could transfer
to Diane manifest, come upinside of her, speaking out of
her mouth her eyes dilated black, and saying that I'm the demon
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that is in Lucas.
Yeah, that's literally whathappened.
How is that possible?
Remember what I talked about thesexual soul bond.
Does it matter that they'reChristians?
Remember I said if you have sexin sin in the kingdom of
darkness, right, demons transfer.
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This is demonic transfer.
It's that simple.
They are married, they'rebonded as one spiritually.
That's what Genesis tells us.
And so demons can transferbetween the spouses back and
forth to their demonic purposes,whatever that might be.
So demons in the husband cantransfer over to the wife and
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cause torment, for example,crazy jealousy.
Or demons in the wife cantransfer over to the husband and
vex the husband in differentways, whatever depression, anger
, isolation.
These are just examples.
Point is this demons transferbetween spouses.
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It's interesting to me when Iwork with a married couple how
one of the couples they are allthe well put together one I do
not have demons, my spouse hasdemons and she needs help or
vice versa.
He needs help, I am fine, needshelp or vice versa, he needs
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help, I am fine.
And what they don't understand,which I have to explain, that,
oh, you have demons because yourspouse has demons and they
transfer back and forth betweeneach of you.
Fascinating, this is fact.
Let's talk a little bit moreabout that.
Diane, demons from Lucas comeup in you and are talking to
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Larson.
How did that flush out?
What happened?
Speaker 3 (37:17):
We ended up casting them out and I really I don't
remember the particulars of thatso much, but I have another
instance, if you want me to tellyou where we really learned how
this works, if you'll let me.
So we were, lucas and I hadgone through the International
School of Exorcism.
We were babies and doingdeliverance, but we were doing
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deliverance and we had driven tothis couple's house and had
done deliverance with them.
That night, on the way home, Istarted manifesting, or I was
saying things, for somehow weknew that we needed to pull over
and Lucas needed to go to work.
So we did.
We pulled over.
We had all the stuff with usbecause we had just come from a
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deliverance session with thecross.
We had the Bible and Lucasproceeded to engage in spiritual
warfare.
And up came a demon from a womanhe had an affair with years and
years ago, the name of thatperson, everything I would have
had no idea, but it was me thatwas manifesting, me that was
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saying all this stuff.
As he's sitting here looking atme, he's talking to this demon
who's telling him all this stuffthat he knew was true and I,
you know, I wouldn't know noneof the particulars.
The demon totally describedwhat had happened that day and
Lucas cast it out.
You know we went through, butit was a little different.
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He went through then he wentand he renounced it all and he
Lucas said out loud that herenounced it and did all the
curse breaking.
So that was really when westarted realizing there's really
something here.
And it just goes back to thedevil wants to destroy your
marriage and they will worktogether any way they can.
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The demons in me will work andthe demons in Lucas will come
back and forth whatever they cando to destroy the marriage,
because we are in a holy unionthat is blessed by God and they
want to destroy that.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Okay, a couple thoughts here.
First of all, people arelistening and wondering a holy
union, how could demons be there?
Simple, they have a legal right.
There are godly soul bondsestablished through the Holy
Spirit and there are ungodlysoul bonds established in the
kingdom of darkness.
Lucas, this is fascinating.
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Oh, as an exorcist, this isthrilling.
Like this is the type of stuffthat just gets me all kinds of
excited.
So Lucas has an affair in hispast.
He got a demon from it.
Now, this is interesting.
Think of this, those of youlistening who's had an affair
and you're like Jesus, I'm sorry, forgive me.
You are forgiven Absolutely,but you got demons.
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I want you to understand thatForgiveness is not deliverance,
forgiveness is not renunciation,forgiveness is not exorcism.
Lucas had an affair.
Demon comes up and his wifeexplains in detail what happened
, how it's there, the person,the name of the person, and
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Diane is oblivious to all of it.
You have a demon speakingthrough his wife to Lucas about
what he did and why that demon'sthere, and it was expelled.
This affair happened in Lucas'sfirst marriage, not in the
marriage with Diane.
Now, the beauty of this is youhave a married couple working
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together as partners to cleaneach other up, and if that means
demons from Lucas, manifest andDiane, so be it.
That's legal spirituallybecause they have the soul bond.
That demon had a legal right tobe there, so Lucas renounced,
repented, repented of it.
Then he renounced it to breakthe legal right and then it was
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expelled.
Everybody wants to, just as aside note, do this on their own.
They really don't want tohumble themselves and come for
help, so they just want oh, canI do self-deliverance?
Can I do self?
Because I don't want to humblemyself and really expose the
things that I've done in life.
I just, I should say themajority of the time it does not
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work.
The biblical model of prayer iswhat Jesus said where two or
more are gathered.
There.
I am also.
The Bible also tells us Ibelieve it's in James if any of
you are sick, call on the elders, come, let them anoint you and
pray for you.
The Bible is all about humblingourselves, coming together,
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praying so that you can behealed.
Confess your sins one toanother that you can be healed.
This is Bible scriptures.
Oh, I just want to doself-deliverance because I don't
want to let anybody know whatI've done, because I'm such a
bad person and I feel terribleand foolishness.
Come, get your freedom and ifyou're married, this is
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fascinating for you you and yourspouse can be performing
deliverance on one another andgetting cleaned up.
This is awesome.
This is so exciting, sointeresting to understand that.
Think of this guys.
Think of the people you've hadsex with in your life.
You got demons from them.
Think of the people whomolested or raped you.
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You got demons from them.
I could go on there.
They enter so many ways.
Think of your parents.
Many of our parents wereunstable alcoholic, drug addicts
, mental health conditions,completely demon-possessed.
One minute they're happy, nextminute they're angry.
Abandonment, rejection, dadleaves on and on it goes.
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But you don't have demons,right?
Oh, I love to challengepeople's thinking.
I'm not doing this to be hardon you listening.
I'm doing this to challenge youbecause I want to see you free.
You don't have to live the wayyou're living and deny on saying
I don't have demons,everything's fine.
Lucas, I'm going to come backto you.
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I'm going to set that soapboxaside and thank you all
listening for being patient withme as I went off on my tangent
there.
Sometimes I've been known to dothat.
But, lucas, I want to come backto you and just get some of
your take on this.
What is it like to be marriedto a Christian and going through
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deliverance together as a team?
What has that experience beenlike for you as a?
Speaker 2 (43:56):
man.
Yeah, justin, it's been verygood because Diane and I we do
everything together and we praytogether when we first started
dating, so on our first date itwas on I think it was a Friday
night or a Saturday night, Ican't remember and she was
telling me.
I told her, I said I want aChristian woman, and she goes I
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am a Christian woman.
And then she started to explainwhat kind of a Christian woman
she was and in my opinion shewas a carnal Christian, which is
by name only.
And that same Sunday she wentto church and gave her life to
Christ and she called me.
She says I walked forward andit just it took me by surprise.
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And so since then we have growntogether.
We worship the Lord, we praytogether, we do deliverance
together, and it's been quitethe journey.
We, in some of our sessions wetalk about this, we talk about
STDs, sexually transmitteddemons because that's what
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happens when you have a sexualrelationship with someone.
And it's interesting that inour deliverances to one another
we have found out that thedemons, they want to destroy
your marriage.
So the number one objective isto destroy your relationship
with God and they try to confuseyou, blind you.
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All kinds of diversions,fogginess in the mind and clear
thinking.
We've come across demons thatmake people believe in evolution
.
It's just, it's incredible.
So the first strategy is todestroy the relationship with
God.
That's not going to happen withus.
So the second strategy is todestroy the relationship in
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marriage.
A marriage is a stake, isinstituted by God and it's
sacred to God, and so the devilwants to destroy that.
And you see it in our world allaround, with the transgender
and the homosexual movement andeverything, and it's all
designed by the devil to destroyrelationships.
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What's interesting with us isthat we are pretty in tune with
one another and we wake up onemorning and we go Diane would
say I had a bad dream.
I said I had a bad dream, let'sfind out what it's all about.
So we sit down, we have aspecial set of chairs where we
sit and we go through somedeclarations about who we are in
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Christ, and then I basicallyjust call up the demons that are
doing this, that have causedthese dreams, and we deal with
it and we find out where theycome from and when they came in
and if they have any legalrights, and we've learned
exactly how to go through thatand many times those are
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generational demons.
Something happened threegenerations, five generations,
20 generations.
We had one situation.
It was my bloodline and it camethrough my dad and through his
grandfather all the way back tothe tribe of Ephraim when the
Jews left Egypt it's justincredible and the Egyptians had
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done something to a Jewish manwho decided not to go with the
Israelites and go to thePromised Land.
He stayed behind in Egypt andwe got great detail about it.
It was the son of thatparticular man, witnessed what
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the Egyptians did to this manand it became an altar.
That altar has come through allthese generations for when were
they in Egypt?
2,800 years ago, and they cameall the way through all the
generations through my bloodline, and I'm talking to the altar
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in Diane.
It's just incredible and we'velearned so much about all this
stuff and it's been a fantasticjourney.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
That's fascinating.
And when Lucas, just to clarify, when he's talking about altar,
he's talking about an ancestralidentity.
This is epigenetics.
You can look this up.
It's just a dna imprint of anancestor that's passed on
generation after generation inthe dna of the people.
So, clear back to egypt, lucasobviously has jewish ancestry in
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him and so this dna imprint waspassed down generation to
generation.
And, as these DNA imprintedwhat we call ancestral
identities, it's just a DNAimprint.
So when that genetic part of aperson now that's not the soul,
it's not the spirit, they'redead and gone, it's a genetic
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imprint and that can come up andspeak and feel and talk, it's
not a demon, it's not.
They're dead and gone, but thatDNA imprint comes down through
the bloodline and the demonsfeel and talk.
It's not a demon, it's notthey're dead and gone, but that
DNA imprint comes down throughthe bloodline and the demons
come with it.
So the demons are attached to aDNA imprint.
Now try going down to an altarand saying come out in Jesus'
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name.
Now, this is what I'm talkingabout.
This is involved.
This is involved.
We've talked about this quite abit through the podcast, but
it's interesting to see thatthis DNA imprint of an ancestor
comes down genetically throughLucas and the demons come up
using that DNA imprint.
They use it as a shield thedemons do and it comes up in
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Diane, and so Lucas deals withit and gets rid of it.
And comes up and die in, and soLucas deals with it and gets
rid of it.
So imagine having a Christianpartner that you can do this
with.
None of this is taught in church.
It should be At least thefoundational understanding of
demons and how they operate andwork.
Hierarchies, top-downmilitaristic.
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They can be in your soul, youremotions, how you feel, your
thoughts, how you think they canbe in your body.
You need exorcism, like justthe basics, so people can begin
to understand that this is quitenormal and I say this quite
often on here the CatholicChurch has exorcists for the
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Catholic church members.
They don't have exorcists forpeople who are outside of the
church.
They understand that Christians, catholic Christians, can have
demons, but somehow in ourtheological studies, in our
arrogant westernized schools, oh, that's impossible.
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Christians cannot have demons.
The devil loves it.
He thinks it's funny.
I've said this before thesafest place for a demon to be
is in most churches in America,because they're never threatened
, they're never confronted.
Diane, I'm going to come backto you for just a minute.
Can you tell the audience comeback to you for just a minute.
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Can you tell the audience whatare some?
Give me the top two benefitsthat you have experienced
personally in your life by goingthrough exorcism sessions.
What are the top two things?
The top two benefits that youhave found in your life.
Speaker 3 (51:15):
Justin, I am not the same person I was, and my family
would tell you this.
I was a worrywart.
I was very insecure, worriedabout what I was going to say,
always thought I said the wrongthing, and you don't realize
this when you're in it.
I thought I was a confidentwoman and I think society would
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have called me a confident woman, but inside I really wasn't and
those demons were telling mebad things all the time that I
didn't realize they were tellingme.
Today I have none of that.
I can sit here comfortably.
I don't worry about things.
I know the Lord has things.
I'm calm, I'm secure and I canjust let Lucas lead me through
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things.
I don't worry about anythinghe's doing, I can just lean on
him and be totally comfortablewith it.
It is so comfortable to justsit and breathe and be fine with
myself.
That's number one.
Number two I have a wonderfulhusband who I have seen walk
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down the same journey, and justa little example is when we talk
about that Jewish boy that sawhis father killed.
Lucas had things that happenedto him in his sleep and he had
physical pain from that time,but after that deliverance he
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was 50-some years old, I think.
Done.
No longer does he have thosepains, no longer does he get up
in the middle of the night withthese things done, gone, and he
has also learned.
It used to be if I evenmentioned the word taxes around
my husband.
He would be in a bad mood therest of the day and wouldn't
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even hardly talk to me.
Now it's nothing, it doesn'tbother him at all.
He can smile at me and he justhandles it in a godly way.
So our lives here are totallydifferent.
We don't react to things.
The things that the demons doto us is there.
We call them triggers.
The demons will make certainsituations bother you and you'll
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trigger to act in a way that ifyou don't have that, you just
sit back and go okay, that'sfine, no big deal.
So it's helped me.
My family notices it and it'sit's given me a wonderful
husband as well, cause we'vewalked this path together.
Speaker 1 (53:50):
That's awesome.
That's awesome to see just thebenefits that you guys are
personally experiencing in yourmarriage with Lucas and the
finances and being freed up fromMammon, which is a demon that
deals with binding finances andmaking people poor or making
people wealthy to where theydon't care about God and just
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die and go to hell and have alot of money.
It works both ways.
So Lucas is Dutch, from theNetherlands.
You know the Dutch over there.
They're tight-fisted and moneyand all that.
So he gets freed up from that.
Diane has peace now.
She's not anxious, worried,fretting, sitting around, biting
her nails down to her nubs.
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How many people in life havebitten their nails down to the
cuticles because of the anxiety?
Who's to say that's not demons?
So we've covered a lot here inthis episode.
I think we're going to wrap itup here in just a minute.
I hope you guys have found thishelpful.
I find it absolutely not onlyfascinating but encouraging and
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inspiring for people who are inmarriages right now that are
struggling, or for new marriedcouples, or for people who are
dating, or for those of you whoare single, waiting for God to
bring you someone, or maybe youare doing some online dating and
so forth.
This is great.
This is good information.
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You have the understanding nowhow this works.
This is great.
This is good information.
You have the understanding nowhow this works.
And, by the way, just to let youknow, oral sex in the spirit
realm is a soul bond thattransfers demons.
I'm being explicit here so youguys can understand and have the
information A sexual bond inthe spirit realm.
Remember what Jesus saidwhoever looks at a woman with
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lust in his heart has alreadycommitted adultery with her.
In other words, he was bringingthat into the context of
looking at a married woman.
So if that can be an ungodlysoul bond, these other things
are, and I'm speaking fromexperience, from working with
demons.
I entered this woman becauseshe allowed a man to touch her
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Like she allowed it, she wantedit.
I entered this man because thiswoman performed oral sex on him
.
So I think sometimes people whoare younger or just Christians
who are dating, think that it'sokay to have oral sex or touch
each other, or take your clothesoff and play around with a
female's breasts and all that.
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Listen, demons tell us all thetime they enter people from
these acts because it issexually bonding.
Think about that.
Think about that For those ofyou who are single or those of
you who are engaged.
If you're engaged and you haveguys have had sex, you need to
get a hold of me.
We need to break those cursesand cast those demons out so
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that they're not passed on toyour children.
Or if those of you listeningare married and you have
children under the age of 18,they're not adults, you can
break those generational cursesoff of them.
Get a hold of me.
We have to clean thegenerational curses and the
demons out of you first, as theparents whether you're a single
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parent or you're married you gothrough the exorcism first.
That weakens the demons.
Then we can break thegenerational curses off of the
children just you and I together.
The child doesn't need to bethere.
You have to be a bloodlinegenerational curse breaker.
That sounds like a greatt-shirt.
(57:23):
You guys think the blindexorcist should come out with
some merch Bloodlinegenerational curse breaker.
Get that t-shirt.
Anyhow, all kidding aside, it'sbeen great.
(57:45):
Lucas Diane, thank you so muchfor coming on and sharing your
life with all of us, for sharingthe aspects of demons in the
context of marriagerelationships.
This has been great.
It's been very insightful, it'sbeen helpful and my prayer is
that those of you listening havereally gained understanding
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here, have really going to walkaway with food for thought to be
chewing on this, on this, andat the end of every episode, I
always ask my guests to leave aword of encouragement for those
of you listening.
So, lucas, I'm going to come toyou first and then Diane, I'll
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come over to you.
Actually, we'll come to youfirst, diane, then we'll go to
Lucas.
But I'd like for each of you toleave a word of encouragement
for people that are listening.
Some people listening here theydon't have the courage to come
for an exorcism.
They just don't.
And there are people listeninghere that might think they have
demons, are not quite sure.
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Then there's people listeningthat know that they have demons.
There's all kinds of differentpeople that listen.
And, diane, I'd like for you,if you could this might be
challenging for you, but if youcould, for 30 seconds, offer
some words of encouragement tothe audience that's listening,
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that are in relationships, thatare dating, that wanna be
married, that are single.
Can you offer them someencouragement?
Why should they go get anexorcism?
Speaker 3 (59:21):
Exorcism has totally changed my life and the thing is
, the demons will tell you howpowerful they are.
They are nothing.
They are small little minionsthat are not very intelligent
and you can gain control overthem and the freedom you feel
from that is just.
It's immense, and the love youcan have for God and how close
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you can get to God by gettingrid of these demons is just
amazing.
I encourage everyone to seekwhatever help they need.
Read some books, call anybody,call Justin, call us.
We can help you.
We can do ministry to you inany way.
You need Answer questions.
It's not always aboutdeliverance.
Sometimes it's just aboutgetting stronger in your walk
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with the Lord.
But it's been a wonderfuljourney and I would recommend it
.
I wish everyone could gothrough this journey because
it's been so wonderful and mymarriage today is just a
fantastic fantasy relationshipwith my king Lucas.
He treats me like his queen andit's wonderful.
Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
Thank you, diane and Lucas.
30 seconds.
Can you offer someencouragement to the listeners?
Why should they get an exorcism?
Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
Yeah, as Diane said it already, I think Diane and I
talk and we have friends and wego.
I don't know how those guysstay together and I don't know
how we would stay together if itwasn't for the exorcisms.
Everybody goes to the doctoronce a year to get a health
check done.
People should really go to anexorcist and get a spiritual
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health check done, because thedemon is going to try to destroy
your marriage and you want toget rid of this and for us it
made all the difference in theworld.
I am in the freedom that youget.
If I were to go back and say,if somebody were to say, would
you spend X number of dollars onit $50,000, x number of dollars
on it $50,000,?
(01:01:17):
It would be worth it because itchanges your life with your
spouse, it changes your lifewith your friends and, most of
all, it changes yourrelationship with God.
It is worth everything.
You have to get rid of thesedemons.
Hi, I'm Justin D, your host, and welcome to
episode 28 of the Blind Exorcist.
Today's episode is all aboutrelationships, whether you're
single, dating, engaged ormarried.
This is for you.
My guests, lucas and DianeWagner, are a married couple
who've been through exorcismsessions.
(00:20):
We're pulling back the curtainto reveal how demons operate in
relationships and marriages.
We'll also dive into thespiritual impacts of dating,
engagement and even explicitsexual experiences.
My hope is that this episodewill be especially helpful for
young adults navigating theseseasons of life, giving you
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insight into how Satan caninfluence relationships.
If you know someone who's single, dating, engaged or married, I
encourage you to share thisepisode with them.
It's packed with valuableinsights for everyone.
Lucas and Diane are highlyeducated and retired after
holding high-level positions incorporate America.
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I share this because one of thegoals of this podcast is to
challenge the misconception thatdemons only affect people whose
lives seem chaotic or broken.
Success, wealth and theappearance of normalcy don't
make anyone immune to demonpossession.
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Lucas and Diane's story is apowerful example of how even the
most successful and functionallives can face these challenges.
If this show has helped you inany way, I'd be grateful if
you'd consider partnering withme to support it.
Your financial support allowsme to keep bringing you powerful
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Just tap on support the show inthe show notes and thank you
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Every contribution goesdirectly toward making this show
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possible.
Now let's dive in and uncoverthe truth about how the enemy
works in relationships and howfreedom is possible through
Jesus Christ.
Let's get started.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Lucas Diane.
Welcome to the Blind Exorcist.
Hey Justin, thank you forhaving us on today.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Yes, Justin, we are very excited to be on here today
.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
I appreciate both of you taking the time to come on
today.
Your story is very powerful andtoday, folks, like I mentioned
in the introduction, we're goingto be focusing on relationships
, dating, marriage and thetransfer of demons.
This is going to be a goodtopic.
(03:03):
If you know somebody that'sengaged, you know somebody
that's dating, I'd encourage youto share this out to them.
This is going to be verypowerful.
A lot of people have questionsabout how can you get demons by
having sex?
How can you get demons as aChristian couple if you're
married?
How is that even possible?
(03:24):
We're going to dissect thattoday.
We're going to get into it.
So I'm going to go ahead andstart here and, as you guys know
that have been listening for awhile, normally I start back in
childhood, because oftentimesthat's where demons enter.
Oftentimes that's where peoplego through trauma.
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Demons enter through trauma.
Demons enter throughdysfunctional family patterns.
Demons enter people at birthfrom generational curses.
Now, obviously, no one's lifeis 100% terrible nor 100% good,
but most demonic possessionstarts in childhood.
(04:07):
And I want to point out realquickly and we're going to get
into this but Lucas and Dianethey are highly intelligent
individuals, educated and areretired at this point, but work
professionally in pretty high uppositions.
You guys know that.
(04:33):
Have been listening for a while.
One of my intentions of startingthis podcast was to show that
people who have demons are notcrazy.
That's the stereotype they'recrazy.
I'm above this.
There's no way that I couldhave demons, being college
educated, or even if you work ina factory or drive UPS or
Amazon like you're functioningin life, so you're normal.
(04:54):
There's no way I could havedemons, doesn't matter that I'm
addicted to pornography oralcoholism or I fall in and out
of depression.
That's not demons, that's justlife.
Right?
No, it's not just life.
We're going to get into this,lucas.
Let's start with you Now.
What I find very interestingabout you, lucas, is that you
(05:16):
are originally from theNetherlands.
I think that's amazing.
So I'm going to come over toyou here now and I'd like you to
tell us about your childhood.
What was it like being raisedin the Netherlands and what was
it like in your family growingup?
What was that dynamic like?
(05:37):
Lucas, go ahead, you're up.
I grew up in the.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Netherlands, of course.
I was born there in a smalltown, onlo, which is in the
province of Drenthe.
The Netherlands has 12provinces.
Some people will know it asHolland, but Holland is really
only a subset of the wholeNetherlands.
Grew up there, went to schoolthere.
I grew up with my mom and mydad and we moved around a little
(06:03):
bit.
My dad and we moved around alittle bit.
My dad changed the jobs quitefrequently.
I thought it was a very normaltype of upbringing.
Went to school there.
Eventually I did my electricalengineering and I got a degree
in electrical engineering,worked there for a number of
years in the Netherlands and inGermany.
(06:25):
I had a pretty good upbringing.
We did have some issues and wecan talk about that maybe a
little bit later, but it waspretty good.
My mom died when I was 16, andmy dad got remarried and then
when I was 25, I moved to Canadaand eventually in 97, I moved
(06:45):
to the United States.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Thanks, lucas, for sharing your career history with
us.
Diane, I want to come over toyou now.
Let's talk about your childhood.
Where were you born?
What was your family life likecoming up, and was there
anything that stuck out to you,that was tough for you during
your childhood or teenage years?
Or was your childhood teenageyears, quote unquote normal, as
(07:11):
well as what Lucas explained?
Speaker 3 (07:13):
So thank you, justin.
So my upbringing was quite abit different.
From Lucas, who grew up in theNetherlands, I grew up in
Nebraska, so the small town inNebraska and the thing about my
life and to put a little contextaround it, if you would ask me
any time while I was growing up,I would say my life was
(07:35):
wonderful.
I had the mindset it was normal, it was positive, I had a good
upbringing, everything was great.
In actuality, I was the onlychild in second grade from a
divorced family.
Now, this was 40 years ago.
There were no divorced familiesin our town, hardly at all.
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In second grade I was the onlyone from a divorced family and I
was being raised by my father,which was totally unheard of.
People used to practicallycross to the other side of the
street so they didn't have towalk on the same side of the
street as we were because wewere just that different.
But I felt Dad loved us and heshowed he cared for us and that
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was my upbringing.
But in actuality there was not alot of love in the family.
There was a lot of abuse.
I was always the people pleaserand I looked for the positive
in life.
I didn't pay attention to thebeatings.
I didn't pay attention to themanipulations that went on.
I just in my mind the only wayI could cope was by saying my
(08:40):
life was great.
So that's how I grew up.
And saying my life was great sothat's how I grew up.
And when I was the, when I wasthe late teenager, I found that
I had.
I went to sexual partnersbecause that was what I thought
love was.
That's where you find love witha man, because growing up with
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my father, who always had theguys over, you always hear them
talking about sex and how goodit is.
So that's how I.
That's what my feeling of lovewas.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
I'm so sorry to hear you had to experience a
sexualized understanding of awoman in your childhood and
teenage years.
What about your career?
Can you tell us some about it?
Speaker 3 (09:25):
I lived in a town that was a railroad town and
everybody went to work for therailroad the day you graduated.
I went to work for the railroadthe day after I graduated high
school, had no intention ofgetting a college degree, just
wanted to go to work, to partyand do all the fun stuff.
But moving forward, I I had.
I moved twice with company.
I ended up in Denver, colorado,and I was married and had two
(09:49):
children.
Two small children got adivorce and I moved to Texas and
through that move it was veryhard and I was a clerk making
not very much money and I keptgoing to my boss saying you have
to promote me because I havethese two children that I'm not
going to be able to afford tosupport.
(10:10):
And they kept telling me youneed a college degree.
And I said, how can I get acollege degree?
I have two children at home andI'm working full time?
And finally they convinced meif I just started taking one
class, that the company wouldpromote me.
So I thought, okay, I can dothat, I can take one class.
Lo and behold, I took one classand four years later I had a
(10:31):
full college degree.
I had raised my two children.
While raising my two children,I never missed any of their
games or anything.
And when I talk to my childrennow, it was such a great
experience for them to watch megoing through this.
But at the time, of course, itwas very hard.
But once I had my degree, thecompany I worked for really
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helped me and put me on asuccession plan.
I went on to get a master'sdegree actually, and they moved
me around the company a coupleplaces and I was always in a
customer-facing role.
I'm outgoing, I'm friendly andI was always in customer-facing
and I'd been with the companyfor 42 years.
I moved down to Houston.
That's where Lucas and Iactually met and it was supposed
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to be a temporary move for meand then I was going to go on to
my next promoted position.
But the Lord had differentplans for me and I had been
single for a long time, nointention of having any career
with a man or a life with a manat all.
I was just career oriented andgoing for the big bucks and that
(11:35):
and I was loving that.
I was traveling all over andhad all the points and
everything.
It was wonderful.
And then Lucas and I happenedto meet everything.
It was wonderful.
And then Lucas and I happenedto meet, and the same weekend
that we met.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
I gave my life to Jesus Christ.
Diane, thank you so much forsharing your history with all of
us.
It's interesting.
I think a lot of people canrelate to this getting educated
to make money and make money andthere's so many people now that
really are single becausethey're chasing that corporate
dream, the money and all of that.
(12:13):
So this is a good episode forpeople to be challenged.
God loves family.
God loves children, right, hemade us and be fruitful and
multiply.
That's what God said in Genesis.
He loves family, he wants ahuge family, he wants a big
family in heaven.
He's all about family, right?
So, lucas, she brought up.
(12:35):
You guys met and got married.
Tell me a little bit from yourperspective.
How did you meet, diane?
Where did you guys first meet?
How did this unfold?
Speaker 2 (12:46):
So I just got out of a divorce.
I was married in 84, and I wasmarried for a long time, almost
28 years, and things didn't govery well and anyway.
So I went through a divorce andafter divorce, I like to have
some company, and, and afterdivorce, I like to have some
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company, and and I was goingonline to find somebody for just
having some fun with, to go outwith, and, and then I'm.
I ran across an, an onlinecontact.
It was Diane that I startedtalking to, and what was
interesting is you talk todifferent people on online and
and they have certain ways ofsaying, okay, fine, but I'm not
interested.
(13:29):
So, diane, we were talking backand forth and Diane says I'm
going to go to Hawaii for for aweek and so I won't be able to
talk to you anymore until I comeback, and usually that's code,
for it was nice meeting you, butwe'll see you later, alligator.
And so what was interesting isshe left on Wednesday or
something, and on Thursday I hada text from her again and she
(13:52):
says I thought you were going tosend me some pictures and I
said I thought you were inHawaii and she goes yes, but I
brought my daughter's computerand so we can still talk.
So anyway, I sent her somepictures and she goes oh, she
(14:14):
liked it and she gave me herphone number, I think eventually
, and we started to talk and wehad our first live date.
We went for dinner at Papa's inHouston and we had a great time
.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Thanks, lucas, for sharing your life with us.
I love the story of how you andDiane met after both
experiencing divorce.
It's so inspiring to see Godrestore both of you into a
healthy and thriving marriage,now shifting gears a bit.
As a married couple, how didyou first come to realize that
(14:43):
you guys had demons?
Speaker 2 (14:45):
I was telling her about the Illuminati, there was
a guy at work.
He says all this music businessand everything is all from the
devil and it's the Illuminatiand you should look into it.
So I started looking into itand, sure enough, it's all
demonic and everything.
And I started telling Dianeabout it.
She didn't want to hear aboutit, and so I kept on trying and
(15:08):
after about six months of slowlyprobing and telling her a
little bit about it, she wasgetting a little bit more open
to accept it.
And so one night I said hey, Igot this little YouTube video, I
want you to see this.
And so we're sitting there onthe couch watching TV and
(15:28):
Diana's acting a little funny.
And I said what's going on?
And she goes something's goingon.
And before I knew it she ismanifesting.
And of course I had watchedsome videos from Bob Larson, and
so I was grabbing a Bible andshe's laying on the floor
(15:51):
manifesting and I'm going, whoa,what am I doing?
And so I go come out in Jesus'name.
And I tried everything.
I thought I knew what I hadlearned from those videos, but
at the end of the day the demonswere laughing at me and I
couldn't do anything about it.
And I go this is over my head,I need help.
(16:12):
And so we called Bob Larson.
We called the churches too, butof course they know nothing
about this stuff.
And so we called Bob Larson andwe went.
We drove all the way fromHouston to Nashville and we got
our first delivery that day.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Okay, let me explain for those of you who might not
be familiar with the termIlluminati.
The Illuminati is often broughtup in conspiracy theories, but
does have factual evidence toprove its existence.
It's described as a secretivegroup of powerful elites who are
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said to control world events,governments and financial
systems behind the scenes.
Many believe they're workingtowards something called a new
world order, which is basicallythe idea of a global government
entirely under their control.
The World Economic Forum withKlaus Schwab is often mentioned
by people as being an example ofthe Illuminati.
(17:14):
They use things like media,politics and even the economy to
push their agenda.
Hopefully that clears it up.
For those wondering, I'llinclude a link in the show notes
to Pastor Billy Crone, who hasdone thorough research on the
World Economic Forum and KlausSchwab's role in promoting this
agenda.
(17:34):
Now you both are Christians.
Right now You're saved, lucasis saved, and all of a sudden
you're manifesting a demon.
But I want to know from you,diane, what actually happened.
Like you're telling Lucassomething's wrong.
But what happened?
What triggered this?
What were you feeling?
What were the thoughts in yourhead?
(17:55):
What was going on?
Speaker 3 (17:57):
I'm going to go back to the movie the Exorcist that I
watched when I was younger andthat movie never scared me.
It was always interesting to meand I always saw that they said
come out in Jesus name, comeout in Jesus name, and that it
worked.
So that was always in the backof my mind.
(18:17):
And then here Lucas is talkingabout this Illuminati and the
devil.
And I was taught in church youdon't talk about the devil
because it gives you power.
So that was my mindset.
But he was chipping away at itand we watched some of Bob
Larson's videos and he wasalways saying come out in Jesus
name.
And here we are, we're watchingearthquake Kelly and you can
(18:39):
actually Google earthquake Kellyand he'll come up.
He's a wonderful guy toresearch about.
He was in the demonorganization and then he got out
and now he's a pastor, butanyway.
So we're watching him and he'stalking about how he used to
tell these little demons to goplaces.
So I'm laying there on thecouch and I'm like if I happen
to have a demon, and this is allin my head, I'm saying I'm
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going to say get out in Jesusname.
And only in my mind.
I wasn't saying it out loud.
I just said come out in Jesus'name, come out in Jesus' name.
And I was saying that over andover in my head and all of a
sudden I felt my stomachrumbling and everything it just
I was going crazy and gettingnervous.
I just kept saying come out inJesus' name, come out in Jesus'
(19:22):
name.
And then behold, here I wassaying stuff and acting all
goofy and I knew it wasn't me,but it was talking out of my
mouth and, like Lucas said, helooked at me and he realized it
wasn't me.
You could tell by the look onmy face, by the tone of my voice
.
And he went and found a Bible,tried to hit it on me and, like
(19:45):
you said, the demon basicallylaughed at him, kept telling him
his name was Jeannie and thenhe'd be laughing.
And I want to say that we wentto bed that night after that
failed exorcism and I slept inthe spare room and Lucas slept
in another room and I felt likethe dirtiest, most awful thing
(20:08):
in the world.
The demons were just doublingdown on me telling me I was
worthless.
I thought this wonderful manthat I've had this wonderful
relationship with isn't evengoing to want to come near me
with a 10-foot pole the next dayit was just terrible.
And all night I didn't get anysleep.
The demon was just telling mehow awful I was all night filthy
(20:30):
, dirty thing.
And we got up the next morningand Lucas is sitting across from
me and of course we're both alittle bit freaked out and I
said I'll get my stuff and I'llleave, I'll go to my go home.
And he looked at me, says I'mnot leaving you like this, I
can't leave you like this, we'regoing to fix this.
And that was all the demonsneeded to hear.
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They just it just vanishedright then.
All the worry, all theeverything just.
I had hope then and that maybethis guy was going to stick with
me and help me figure it out.
We drove 11 hours I think itwas actually 13 hours to see Bob
Larson.
We left at three o'clock in theafternoon and we had an eight
o'clock appointment to see BobLarson.
We left at three o'clock in theafternoon and we had an eight
o'clock appointment with him thenext day.
We drove all night long and gotthere five in the morning, got
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an hour of sleep and then wentinto a deliverance session with
Bob Larson.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
This is very interesting to me as an exorcist
.
Now there's a couple of thingsI want to break apart here, guys
, so you can understand.
Number one Lucas did not havethe training.
He watched a couple YouTubevideos, maybe he read a couple
books on deliverance, but he'snever been educated and he tries
(21:43):
to cast out demons and itdoesn't work.
No fault of his, but I think alot of people doing deliverance
does exactly this.
They hodgepodge, watch a videohere from this ministry, another
one from this ministry, maybeone from Larson.
They write down some notes Okay, I'm a deliverance minister,
come out in Jesus' name.
(22:03):
No, I always encourage you guyslistening, be careful.
There's a lot of people outthere that are not qualified to
be doing what they're doingbecause they have not went
through a certification processwhere they're educated Okay.
So that's the first thing topoint out.
The other thing to point out isthat they had no clue that Diane
(22:25):
had demons until this happened,and this is later in life, and
many of you listening have neverhad a demon manifest because
it's never been challenged.
You think the depression'snormal.
You think the panic attacks isnormal.
You think the things youstruggle with is just the sinful
nature, the lust or whatever itmight be, the addictions.
(22:48):
That's just a sinful nature.
You have to resist it.
But your demons have never beenchallenged.
And so Diane challenges them ina naive way.
Right, it's not like she hasthis high education, but she's
like hey, if I have any demons,I want them out.
So come out in Jesus' name.
Come out in Jesus' name and bam, they come up.
Come out in Jesus' name and bam, they come up.
(23:08):
This is interesting.
Up until that point, there wereno demons, and there may not be
demons in your life that youcan identify.
I do have people occasionallycome to me just to see.
It's not too often.
People come to me to say, hey,I just want to see if you can
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kick something up in me, just incase, but it happens
occasionally.
Most people that come to meknow they have demons, no
questions asked.
So here you have a marriedcouple, christians.
Both of them have been throughdivorces.
I myself have went through adivorce.
You can listen to my story inepisode one, overcoming the
Darkness.
Many of you can relate to this.
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And they're married and there'sdemons.
They can't handle it.
They drive out to Bob Larson.
Now I'm going to eventually begetting into how this unfolded,
the marriage of Lucas and Diane.
Demons transfer through sex,and I don't say that in a dirty
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way, this is the truth.
If you have demons, whether youknow it or not, and you bond
with your partner sexually, thetwo become one and demons
transfer.
Lucas has no clue, diane hasdemons.
Diane has no clue, she hasdemons.
But they're married and theyhave bonded sexually and because
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of that bond, the demons thatare in Diane or if there are
demons in Lucas can transferback and forth between the
partners.
We see this all the time.
It's very common.
It's very common.
This is one reason why God saysto wait for marriage, because it
adds an element like don't havesex before marriage, because
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when you do that, it's sin andyou establish the relationship
in the kingdom of darkness.
You have made a covenant, asexual contract, a sexual
covenant in the kingdom ofdarkness that gives Satan full
reign to your marriage.
And if you have children, alsoyour children, because you have
established a legal agreement, alegal contract in the kingdom
(25:24):
of darkness by having sexoutside of marriage.
By the way, I'm not judging,I'm fact-finding here.
This is just facts.
This is literal, hardcore facts, ma'am.
And when you have sex outside ofmarriage, you get demons and
just saying I'm sorry, jesus,forgive us.
They don't go away.
That's repentance.
(25:44):
That's a good thing, but that'snot renunciation.
Renunciation is completelydifferent.
When you renounce something tobreak the legal contract, then
you got to go through theexorcism and get them expelled,
and that's a process.
It's not just come out in thename of Jesus.
I wish it was that easy, maybefor some smaller demons.
But exorcism that's why we'rehere.
(26:07):
So I'm just sharing some of thiswith you guys to give you guys
food for thought, because manyof you have been divorced.
You may have had demons fromyour first partner, your second
partner, your third partner, etc.
Etc.
These are all people who havetrauma.
Demons enter through trauma,they enter generationally, and
so you got demons.
Lucas and Diane, for the firsttime ever in their marriage, in
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their life, really, truly haveseen evil Demons manifested,
speaking through Diane.
I'm going to come back to you,lucas and Diane, here in just a
second, but I want you to thinkabout that.
You who are married, thinkabout that.
What was your life like beforemarriage?
What was your partner's lifelike before marriage?
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Was there trauma?
Were there demons that entered?
Chances are yes, okay.
So Lucas and Diane, you go toDr Larson.
You work through an exorcismthere.
Lucas, you're watching this,diane's going through this
exorcism.
What were you thinking, lucas,when you're watching Diane go
(27:10):
through this exorcism?
What were you thinking, lucas,when you're watching Diane go
through this exorcism?
What were some of your thoughtsat that point?
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Wow, yeah, that was quite something.
Of course, when Dianemanifested in our living room,
that was horrifying and I didn'tknow what to do, and so we
finally figured out okay, theonly place we can get these
demons cast out is through BobLarson, and so that's why we
(27:37):
went there.
And so then Diane is sitting ina chair and Bob is, dr Larson
is talking to her, finding outwhat is going on, and finally,
after actually two hours, thedemons manifested and he cast
them out.
It was quite the experience,and when you see the demons
(28:00):
there, you understand a lot moreabout the spiritual world,
about spiritual warfare.
We go to church and the pastortalks about spiritual warfare
and we think, okay, fine, but wedon't realize what that's all
about, and so we startedlearning about it.
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I was so interested in all ofthis and I wanted to know more
about it, wanted to know how youcould protect yourself, how do
we do curse, break it, and howdo we get rid of these demons,
and so we started.
We signed up for theInternational School of Exorcism
with Bob Larson because Ithought, first of all, as a
Christian, I think we need toknow what our enemy is and we
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need to learn their strategy sothat we can deal with it.
And we started the school and wegot graduated from that and we
learned how to deal with it.
And we started the school andwe got graduated from that and
we learned how to deal with this.
And we started actually signingup with the DWJD.
Do what Jesus Did and we triedit ourselves and then any time
(29:03):
that Bob Lawson would come totown, to either Houston or
Dallas, we would go sit in withhim on these sessions and
learning more and more about it,and so that's how we got into
it.
But the first couple of timeswas, wow, this is interesting
and very complicated, especiallywhen you talk about
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disassociated identities oralters and they can be alters
from earlier generations, couldbe alters of a soul, part that
is younger in a person's life,and so all kinds of different
things that we have to reallylearn how all these pieces fit
together and how to deal with it.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Yes, it can be very complex and that's why I always
share with you guys that it'snot just come out in the name of
Jesus.
There's so much.
There's disassociation, wherepeople split off from trauma,
the generational curses.
There's things passed downthrough DNA.
Oh, it's so involved and it'svery methodical.
(30:04):
It's involved, it's clinical.
Oh, I'm just thankful thatJesus allows me to serve him and
serve all of you guys in thisway.
It's a beautiful thing to expeldemons because it's a healing
ministry.
Exorcism isn't about castingout demons.
It's about healing people fromtheir traumas, their broken
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hearts and getting rid of thetormentors.
Traumas, their broken heartsand getting rid of the
tormentors.
Like Diane mentioned, thatnight it was so bad in her mind
because once the demons gotstirred up, then they're like
you're terrible, he'll neverlove you, you're a bad person,
all these thoughts in her head,to the point where she gets up
in the morning and at breakfastsays I'll pack my bags and leave
.
And there are many of youlistening right now that have
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demons and they're the ones whoare talking to you.
They're not your thoughts.
They're not your thoughtstelling you're worthless, no one
will love you, you'll always bealone.
Whatever the thoughts are thatyou hear.
Those are demons influencingyour emotions, pushing you
towards something.
Oftentimes it's death.
(31:10):
Anyhow, whether it's suicide oraddiction or whatever that's
their nature, they're going topush you to die in some way
emotionally, physically,whatever.
Keep that in mind.
These voices that you're hearingand they're not all the time
what do you hear when you lookinto the mirror?
Can you look in your own eyes?
Can you look in your own eyesin the mirror?
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And if you can, or whether youcan or cannot, what do you hear
when you look in the mirror?
Do you hear something positive?
You're a beautiful child of God.
Jesus Christ cares about you.
He loves you.
Is that what you hear when youlook in the mirror?
Or when you go and pick up abeer and crack it open and start
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drinking it or smokingmarijuana?
What are you hearing?
Something's pushing you towardthat.
My point is demons talk throughthoughts and oftentimes the
thoughts sound like your own,but they're not you.
Demons speak through yourthoughts and oftentimes the
thoughts sound like your own,but they're not you.
Demons speak through yourthoughts and it can sound like
your own thoughts, but it's notyour own thoughts.
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Diane, I'm going to come backto you.
You go through an exorcism withDr Larson.
My question for you you'regetting freed up.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Did Lucas have demons ?
Yes, but getting to that routewas quite a bit different, and
let me go back.
So what Lucas said we wentthrough the ISE and then we
started dipping our toes intodeliverance ourselves and,
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looking back on it, we werebabies in deliverance ministries
, but you know what the HolySpirit is so wonderful.
We were able to set some peoplefree and it started giving us
confidence and we startedlearning and experience.
But Lucas could not manifest.
He would, would not.
He sat in front of Bob Larsonand he sat in front of Bob
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Larson a couple times and Bobcouldn't get him to manifest.
We could tell there wassomething there and so there was
one time, when we were in frontof Bob Larson, lucas was in the
chair, I was sitting behind himand Adrian, who was a friend of
ours, was sitting there and hesaid wait, I think the demons
(33:39):
just moved from Lucas to Diane.
And Bob looks at him and sayswhat?
And says okay, let's tradeplaces.
And I got in the chair and Imanifest, because I manifest
easily, easily.
And Bob was able to talk todemons that were in Lucas, and
so that was new to us and weweren't really sure about that.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Let me interrupt just for a minute just to make sure
I'm understanding this correctly.
And for others, lucas cannotmanifest, and that's common with
people who are analytical andlogical.
They have trouble setting asidetheir logic or letting go of
the control and makingthemselves vulnerable.
Sometimes this happens, soLucas cannot manifest.
(34:22):
Someone there named Adrianthinks that the demons in Lucas
have transferred to you, diane.
Okay, and so you, diane, sitdown and Dr Larson begins to
address demons in your body, inDiane's body, that are actually
(34:46):
the demons from Lucas, who wouldnot manifest in him.
Is this correct, diane?
Speaker 3 (34:54):
That's correct, and I can do better than that if you
want me to.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Let me flush this out for just a minute Now.
I know those of you listeningare like this is crazy.
There's absolutely no waydemons in Lucas could transfer
to Diane manifest, come upinside of her, speaking out of
her mouth her eyes dilated black, and saying that I'm the demon
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that is in Lucas.
Yeah, that's literally whathappened.
How is that possible?
Remember what I talked about thesexual soul bond.
Does it matter that they'reChristians?
Remember I said if you have sexin sin in the kingdom of
darkness, right, demons transfer.
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This is demonic transfer.
It's that simple.
They are married, they'rebonded as one spiritually.
That's what Genesis tells us.
And so demons can transferbetween the spouses back and
forth to their demonic purposes,whatever that might be.
So demons in the husband cantransfer over to the wife and
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cause torment, for example,crazy jealousy.
Or demons in the wife cantransfer over to the husband and
vex the husband in differentways, whatever depression, anger
, isolation.
These are just examples.
Point is this demons transferbetween spouses.
(36:28):
It's interesting to me when Iwork with a married couple how
one of the couples they are allthe well put together one I do
not have demons, my spouse hasdemons and she needs help or
vice versa.
He needs help, I am fine, needshelp or vice versa, he needs
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help, I am fine.
And what they don't understand,which I have to explain, that,
oh, you have demons because yourspouse has demons and they
transfer back and forth betweeneach of you.
Fascinating, this is fact.
Let's talk a little bit moreabout that.
Diane, demons from Lucas comeup in you and are talking to
(37:13):
Larson.
How did that flush out?
What happened?
Speaker 3 (37:17):
We ended up casting them out and I really I don't
remember the particulars of thatso much, but I have another
instance, if you want me to tellyou where we really learned how
this works, if you'll let me.
So we were, lucas and I hadgone through the International
School of Exorcism.
We were babies and doingdeliverance, but we were doing
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deliverance and we had driven tothis couple's house and had
done deliverance with them.
That night, on the way home, Istarted manifesting, or I was
saying things, for somehow weknew that we needed to pull over
and Lucas needed to go to work.
So we did.
We pulled over.
We had all the stuff with usbecause we had just come from a
(37:59):
deliverance session with thecross.
We had the Bible and Lucasproceeded to engage in spiritual
warfare.
And up came a demon from a womanhe had an affair with years and
years ago, the name of thatperson, everything I would have
had no idea, but it was me thatwas manifesting, me that was
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saying all this stuff.
As he's sitting here looking atme, he's talking to this demon
who's telling him all this stuffthat he knew was true and I,
you know, I wouldn't know noneof the particulars.
The demon totally describedwhat had happened that day and
Lucas cast it out.
You know we went through, butit was a little different.
(38:41):
He went through then he wentand he renounced it all and he
Lucas said out loud that herenounced it and did all the
curse breaking.
So that was really when westarted realizing there's really
something here.
And it just goes back to thedevil wants to destroy your
marriage and they will worktogether any way they can.
(39:04):
The demons in me will work andthe demons in Lucas will come
back and forth whatever they cando to destroy the marriage,
because we are in a holy unionthat is blessed by God and they
want to destroy that.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Okay, a couple thoughts here.
First of all, people arelistening and wondering a holy
union, how could demons be there?
Simple, they have a legal right.
There are godly soul bondsestablished through the Holy
Spirit and there are ungodlysoul bonds established in the
kingdom of darkness.
Lucas, this is fascinating.
(39:41):
Oh, as an exorcist, this isthrilling.
Like this is the type of stuffthat just gets me all kinds of
excited.
So Lucas has an affair in hispast.
He got a demon from it.
Now, this is interesting.
Think of this, those of youlistening who's had an affair
and you're like Jesus, I'm sorry, forgive me.
You are forgiven Absolutely,but you got demons.
(40:02):
I want you to understand thatForgiveness is not deliverance,
forgiveness is not renunciation,forgiveness is not exorcism.
Lucas had an affair.
Demon comes up and his wifeexplains in detail what happened
, how it's there, the person,the name of the person, and
(40:26):
Diane is oblivious to all of it.
You have a demon speakingthrough his wife to Lucas about
what he did and why that demon'sthere, and it was expelled.
This affair happened in Lucas'sfirst marriage, not in the
marriage with Diane.
Now, the beauty of this is youhave a married couple working
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together as partners to cleaneach other up, and if that means
demons from Lucas, manifest andDiane, so be it.
That's legal spirituallybecause they have the soul bond.
That demon had a legal right tobe there, so Lucas renounced,
repented, repented of it.
Then he renounced it to breakthe legal right and then it was
(41:12):
expelled.
Everybody wants to, just as aside note, do this on their own.
They really don't want tohumble themselves and come for
help, so they just want oh, canI do self-deliverance?
Can I do self?
Because I don't want to humblemyself and really expose the
things that I've done in life.
I just, I should say themajority of the time it does not
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work.
The biblical model of prayer iswhat Jesus said where two or
more are gathered.
There.
I am also.
The Bible also tells us Ibelieve it's in James if any of
you are sick, call on the elders, come, let them anoint you and
pray for you.
The Bible is all about humblingourselves, coming together,
(42:00):
praying so that you can behealed.
Confess your sins one toanother that you can be healed.
This is Bible scriptures.
Oh, I just want to doself-deliverance because I don't
want to let anybody know whatI've done, because I'm such a
bad person and I feel terribleand foolishness.
Come, get your freedom and ifyou're married, this is
(42:22):
fascinating for you you and yourspouse can be performing
deliverance on one another andgetting cleaned up.
This is awesome.
This is so exciting, sointeresting to understand that.
Think of this guys.
Think of the people you've hadsex with in your life.
You got demons from them.
Think of the people whomolested or raped you.
(42:44):
You got demons from them.
I could go on there.
They enter so many ways.
Think of your parents.
Many of our parents wereunstable alcoholic, drug addicts
, mental health conditions,completely demon-possessed.
One minute they're happy, nextminute they're angry.
Abandonment, rejection, dadleaves on and on it goes.
(43:05):
But you don't have demons,right?
Oh, I love to challengepeople's thinking.
I'm not doing this to be hardon you listening.
I'm doing this to challenge youbecause I want to see you free.
You don't have to live the wayyou're living and deny on saying
I don't have demons,everything's fine.
Lucas, I'm going to come backto you.
(43:26):
I'm going to set that soapboxaside and thank you all
listening for being patient withme as I went off on my tangent
there.
Sometimes I've been known to dothat.
But, lucas, I want to come backto you and just get some of
your take on this.
What is it like to be marriedto a Christian and going through
(43:50):
deliverance together as a team?
What has that experience beenlike for you as a?
Speaker 2 (43:56):
man.
Yeah, justin, it's been verygood because Diane and I we do
everything together and we praytogether when we first started
dating, so on our first date itwas on I think it was a Friday
night or a Saturday night, Ican't remember and she was
telling me.
I told her, I said I want aChristian woman, and she goes I
(44:19):
am a Christian woman.
And then she started to explainwhat kind of a Christian woman
she was and in my opinion shewas a carnal Christian, which is
by name only.
And that same Sunday she wentto church and gave her life to
Christ and she called me.
She says I walked forward andit just it took me by surprise.
(44:39):
And so since then we have growntogether.
We worship the Lord, we praytogether, we do deliverance
together, and it's been quitethe journey.
We, in some of our sessions wetalk about this, we talk about
STDs, sexually transmitteddemons because that's what
(45:00):
happens when you have a sexualrelationship with someone.
And it's interesting that inour deliverances to one another
we have found out that thedemons, they want to destroy
your marriage.
So the number one objective isto destroy your relationship
with God and they try to confuseyou, blind you.
(45:22):
All kinds of diversions,fogginess in the mind and clear
thinking.
We've come across demons thatmake people believe in evolution
.
It's just, it's incredible.
So the first strategy is todestroy the relationship with
God.
That's not going to happen withus.
So the second strategy is todestroy the relationship in
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marriage.
A marriage is a stake, isinstituted by God and it's
sacred to God, and so the devilwants to destroy that.
And you see it in our world allaround, with the transgender
and the homosexual movement andeverything, and it's all
designed by the devil to destroyrelationships.
(46:08):
What's interesting with us isthat we are pretty in tune with
one another and we wake up onemorning and we go Diane would
say I had a bad dream.
I said I had a bad dream, let'sfind out what it's all about.
So we sit down, we have aspecial set of chairs where we
sit and we go through somedeclarations about who we are in
(46:30):
Christ, and then I basicallyjust call up the demons that are
doing this, that have causedthese dreams, and we deal with
it and we find out where theycome from and when they came in
and if they have any legalrights, and we've learned
exactly how to go through thatand many times those are
(46:51):
generational demons.
Something happened threegenerations, five generations,
20 generations.
We had one situation.
It was my bloodline and it camethrough my dad and through his
grandfather all the way back tothe tribe of Ephraim when the
Jews left Egypt it's justincredible and the Egyptians had
(47:16):
done something to a Jewish manwho decided not to go with the
Israelites and go to thePromised Land.
He stayed behind in Egypt andwe got great detail about it.
It was the son of thatparticular man, witnessed what
(47:38):
the Egyptians did to this manand it became an altar.
That altar has come through allthese generations for when were
they in Egypt?
2,800 years ago, and they cameall the way through all the
generations through my bloodline, and I'm talking to the altar
(47:58):
in Diane.
It's just incredible and we'velearned so much about all this
stuff and it's been a fantasticjourney.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
That's fascinating.
And when Lucas, just to clarify, when he's talking about altar,
he's talking about an ancestralidentity.
This is epigenetics.
You can look this up.
It's just a dna imprint of anancestor that's passed on
generation after generation inthe dna of the people.
So, clear back to egypt, lucasobviously has jewish ancestry in
(48:32):
him and so this dna imprint waspassed down generation to
generation.
And, as these DNA imprintedwhat we call ancestral
identities, it's just a DNAimprint.
So when that genetic part of aperson now that's not the soul,
it's not the spirit, they'redead and gone, it's a genetic
(48:52):
imprint and that can come up andspeak and feel and talk, it's
not a demon, it's not.
They're dead and gone, but thatDNA imprint comes down through
the bloodline and the demonsfeel and talk.
It's not a demon, it's notthey're dead and gone, but that
DNA imprint comes down throughthe bloodline and the demons
come with it.
So the demons are attached to aDNA imprint.
Now try going down to an altarand saying come out in Jesus'
(49:12):
name.
Now, this is what I'm talkingabout.
This is involved.
This is involved.
We've talked about this quite abit through the podcast, but
it's interesting to see thatthis DNA imprint of an ancestor
comes down genetically throughLucas and the demons come up
using that DNA imprint.
They use it as a shield thedemons do and it comes up in
(49:35):
Diane, and so Lucas deals withit and gets rid of it.
And comes up and die in, and soLucas deals with it and gets
rid of it.
So imagine having a Christianpartner that you can do this
with.
None of this is taught in church.
It should be At least thefoundational understanding of
demons and how they operate andwork.
Hierarchies, top-downmilitaristic.
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They can be in your soul, youremotions, how you feel, your
thoughts, how you think they canbe in your body.
You need exorcism, like justthe basics, so people can begin
to understand that this is quitenormal and I say this quite
often on here the CatholicChurch has exorcists for the
(50:17):
Catholic church members.
They don't have exorcists forpeople who are outside of the
church.
They understand that Christians, catholic Christians, can have
demons, but somehow in ourtheological studies, in our
arrogant westernized schools, oh, that's impossible.
(50:38):
Christians cannot have demons.
The devil loves it.
He thinks it's funny.
I've said this before thesafest place for a demon to be
is in most churches in America,because they're never threatened
, they're never confronted.
Diane, I'm going to come backto you for just a minute.
Can you tell the audience comeback to you for just a minute.
(51:02):
Can you tell the audience whatare some?
Give me the top two benefitsthat you have experienced
personally in your life by goingthrough exorcism sessions.
What are the top two things?
The top two benefits that youhave found in your life.
Speaker 3 (51:15):
Justin, I am not the same person I was, and my family
would tell you this.
I was a worrywart.
I was very insecure, worriedabout what I was going to say,
always thought I said the wrongthing, and you don't realize
this when you're in it.
I thought I was a confidentwoman and I think society would
(51:36):
have called me a confident woman, but inside I really wasn't and
those demons were telling mebad things all the time that I
didn't realize they were tellingme.
Today I have none of that.
I can sit here comfortably.
I don't worry about things.
I know the Lord has things.
I'm calm, I'm secure and I canjust let Lucas lead me through
(52:02):
things.
I don't worry about anythinghe's doing, I can just lean on
him and be totally comfortablewith it.
It is so comfortable to justsit and breathe and be fine with
myself.
That's number one.
Number two I have a wonderfulhusband who I have seen walk
(52:24):
down the same journey, and justa little example is when we talk
about that Jewish boy that sawhis father killed.
Lucas had things that happenedto him in his sleep and he had
physical pain from that time,but after that deliverance he
(52:47):
was 50-some years old, I think.
Done.
No longer does he have thosepains, no longer does he get up
in the middle of the night withthese things done, gone, and he
has also learned.
It used to be if I evenmentioned the word taxes around
my husband.
He would be in a bad mood therest of the day and wouldn't
(53:08):
even hardly talk to me.
Now it's nothing, it doesn'tbother him at all.
He can smile at me and he justhandles it in a godly way.
So our lives here are totallydifferent.
We don't react to things.
The things that the demons doto us is there.
We call them triggers.
The demons will make certainsituations bother you and you'll
(53:33):
trigger to act in a way that ifyou don't have that, you just
sit back and go okay, that'sfine, no big deal.
So it's helped me.
My family notices it and it'sit's given me a wonderful
husband as well, cause we'vewalked this path together.
Speaker 1 (53:50):
That's awesome.
That's awesome to see just thebenefits that you guys are
personally experiencing in yourmarriage with Lucas and the
finances and being freed up fromMammon, which is a demon that
deals with binding finances andmaking people poor or making
people wealthy to where theydon't care about God and just
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die and go to hell and have alot of money.
It works both ways.
So Lucas is Dutch, from theNetherlands.
You know the Dutch over there.
They're tight-fisted and moneyand all that.
So he gets freed up from that.
Diane has peace now.
She's not anxious, worried,fretting, sitting around, biting
her nails down to her nubs.
(54:32):
How many people in life havebitten their nails down to the
cuticles because of the anxiety?
Who's to say that's not demons?
So we've covered a lot here inthis episode.
I think we're going to wrap itup here in just a minute.
I hope you guys have found thishelpful.
I find it absolutely not onlyfascinating but encouraging and
(54:55):
inspiring for people who are inmarriages right now that are
struggling, or for new marriedcouples, or for people who are
dating, or for those of you whoare single, waiting for God to
bring you someone, or maybe youare doing some online dating and
so forth.
This is great.
This is good information.
(55:16):
You have the understanding nowhow this works.
This is great.
This is good information.
You have the understanding nowhow this works.
And, by the way, just to let youknow, oral sex in the spirit
realm is a soul bond thattransfers demons.
I'm being explicit here so youguys can understand and have the
information A sexual bond inthe spirit realm.
Remember what Jesus saidwhoever looks at a woman with
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lust in his heart has alreadycommitted adultery with her.
In other words, he was bringingthat into the context of
looking at a married woman.
So if that can be an ungodlysoul bond, these other things
are, and I'm speaking fromexperience, from working with
demons.
I entered this woman becauseshe allowed a man to touch her
(55:58):
Like she allowed it, she wantedit.
I entered this man because thiswoman performed oral sex on him
.
So I think sometimes people whoare younger or just Christians
who are dating, think that it'sokay to have oral sex or touch
each other, or take your clothesoff and play around with a
female's breasts and all that.
(56:19):
Listen, demons tell us all thetime they enter people from
these acts because it issexually bonding.
Think about that.
Think about that For those ofyou who are single or those of
you who are engaged.
If you're engaged and you haveguys have had sex, you need to
get a hold of me.
We need to break those cursesand cast those demons out so
(56:41):
that they're not passed on toyour children.
Or if those of you listeningare married and you have
children under the age of 18,they're not adults, you can
break those generational cursesoff of them.
Get a hold of me.
We have to clean thegenerational curses and the
demons out of you first, as theparents whether you're a single
(57:02):
parent or you're married you gothrough the exorcism first.
That weakens the demons.
Then we can break thegenerational curses off of the
children just you and I together.
The child doesn't need to bethere.
You have to be a bloodlinegenerational curse breaker.
That sounds like a greatt-shirt.
(57:23):
You guys think the blindexorcist should come out with
some merch Bloodlinegenerational curse breaker.
Get that t-shirt.
Anyhow, all kidding aside, it'sbeen great.
(57:45):
Lucas Diane, thank you so muchfor coming on and sharing your
life with all of us, for sharingthe aspects of demons in the
context of marriagerelationships.
This has been great.
It's been very insightful, it'sbeen helpful and my prayer is
that those of you listening havereally gained understanding
(58:07):
here, have really going to walkaway with food for thought to be
chewing on this, on this, andat the end of every episode, I
always ask my guests to leave aword of encouragement for those
of you listening.
So, lucas, I'm going to come toyou first and then Diane, I'll
(58:28):
come over to you.
Actually, we'll come to youfirst, diane, then we'll go to
Lucas.
But I'd like for each of you toleave a word of encouragement
for people that are listening.
Some people listening here theydon't have the courage to come
for an exorcism.
They just don't.
And there are people listeninghere that might think they have
demons, are not quite sure.
(58:49):
Then there's people listeningthat know that they have demons.
There's all kinds of differentpeople that listen.
And, diane, I'd like for you,if you could this might be
challenging for you, but if youcould, for 30 seconds, offer
some words of encouragement tothe audience that's listening,
(59:10):
that are in relationships, thatare dating, that wanna be
married, that are single.
Can you offer them someencouragement?
Why should they go get anexorcism?
Speaker 3 (59:21):
Exorcism has totally changed my life and the thing is
, the demons will tell you howpowerful they are.
They are nothing.
They are small little minionsthat are not very intelligent
and you can gain control overthem and the freedom you feel
from that is just.
It's immense, and the love youcan have for God and how close
(59:43):
you can get to God by gettingrid of these demons is just
amazing.
I encourage everyone to seekwhatever help they need.
Read some books, call anybody,call Justin, call us.
We can help you.
We can do ministry to you inany way.
You need Answer questions.
It's not always aboutdeliverance.
Sometimes it's just aboutgetting stronger in your walk
(01:00:07):
with the Lord.
But it's been a wonderfuljourney and I would recommend it
.
I wish everyone could gothrough this journey because
it's been so wonderful and mymarriage today is just a
fantastic fantasy relationshipwith my king Lucas.
He treats me like his queen andit's wonderful.
Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
Thank you, diane and Lucas.
30 seconds.
Can you offer someencouragement to the listeners?
Why should they get an exorcism?
Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
Yeah, as Diane said it already, I think Diane and I
talk and we have friends and wego.
I don't know how those guysstay together and I don't know
how we would stay together if itwasn't for the exorcisms.
Everybody goes to the doctoronce a year to get a health
check done.
People should really go to anexorcist and get a spiritual
(01:00:57):
health check done, because thedemon is going to try to destroy
your marriage and you want toget rid of this and for us it
made all the difference in theworld.
I am in the freedom that youget.
If I were to go back and say,if somebody were to say, would
you spend X number of dollars onit $50,000, x number of dollars
on it $50,000,?
(01:01:17):
It would be worth it because itchanges your life with your
spouse, it changes your lifewith your friends and, most of
all, it changes yourrelationship with God.
It is worth everything.
You have to get rid of thesedemons.
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