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Speaker 1 (00:00):
There is no light in
the planet but that which
proceeds from the sun, and thereis no true love to Jesus in the
heart but that which comes fromthe Lord Jesus himself.
Charles Virgin, this ishappening again.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Oh, hey dad.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Hey Zoe, so whatcha
doing?
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Oh, this is my part.
I'm co-hosting.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Oh, you are.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Of course you need me
today.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Oh, I do, and why is
that?
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Hello, you're doing
my Jesus.
I love thee.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Uh huh, I'm still
confused.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
I hear that happens
more and more as people your age
get older.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Grounded.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Dad, I just mean that
you need me on this podcast.
Today's hymn was written by ateenager, and I'm about to be a
teenager, so I bring a certainje ne sais quoi.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
That literally means
I don't know what.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Exactly.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Okay, well, you
already did the quote, which, by
the way, I like, that one.
Uh, where'd you find that?
Speaker 1 (01:22):
I'm extremely well
read.
I have amazing parents.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
That is true.
So now, all I need to say isthis is the Bright Forever Q
Music.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Hello and welcome to
the Bright Forever where each
week we discover the power andrichness found in some of the
greatest hymns of the faith.
My name is Zoe Pivilleros andmy dad will be our host and
guide on this, our adventurethrough hymnity.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Nice job, you girls
have been on fire.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
I know we totally
sway, and without further ado.
Dad, the mic is now yours.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Well, all right, here
we go.
By the way, thank you, zoe,that was a great intro and for
all of you listening out there,it is wonderful to be back with
you again this week, coming offan amazing week, getting to hear
from my dad about the timelessFanny Crosby hymn, blessed
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Assurance.
Today, as you can hear, I haveanother fantastic co-host this
week my eldest daughter, zoePivilleros.
Hi, zoe, hi.
She will be helping me stay ontopic as well as giving us her
unique insight into our hymn fortoday.
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Hey, zoe, I'm going to ask youthe same thing that I asked Lily
what about Gemma?
Should we, like, have herco-host one?
Speaker 1 (03:17):
I think she could do
it now.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Okay, can you go and
get her?
I'm just kidding.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
No, she's sleeping.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Oh, good point.
Well, today we'll be exploringthe beloved hymn my Jesus, I
Love Thee, a powerful expressionof devotion penned by William
Ralph Featherston In the 19thcentury, when he was just in his
teens.
And to tell us her insightsinto this classic hymn of the
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church, we will speak to my veryspecial guest, my 12 year old
daughter, zoe.
So, whether you're familiarwith the hymn or hearing it for
the first time, we hope that aswe explore this song, it will
stir your heart towards a closerand more intimate relationship
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with your Savior and Lord.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Before we begin,
don't forget to hit that
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Speaker 3 (04:23):
The story behind this
hymn is as moving as the lyrics
themselves.
William Ralph Featherston wasjust a teenager when he wrote
the poem that Would Become myJesus, I Love Thee.
Born in Montreal, canada, july23, 1846, featherston was the
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son of a Methodist minister, anEnglishman, who had immigrated
to Canada.
As a young man, featherstonexperienced a deep personal
relationship with Jesus Christ.
As a result of his conversion,he became captivated by the love
of God and wanted to expresshis adoration in words.
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At the tender age of 16, or 12,depending on the stories he
penned a poem celebrating hisconversion.
He called it my Jesus, I LoveThee, as a heartfelt declaration
of his love for his Savior.
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Featherston's poem was neverintended for publication, but
years later his poem found itsway into the hands of a music
publisher who recognized itsbeauty and potential.
It said that Featherston's auntwas sent the poem by William
and recognized its potential.
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This story is explained by IraSanky in his book my Life and
Sacred Songs, published inLondon in 1906.
Sanky relays what was told tohim by Featherston's aunt.
Some of the dates don't quiteadd up, but essentially he
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explains that Featherston either12, or possibly 16, at the time
composed the words to thisbeautiful hymn that has quote
outlived hymn.
She submitted it for publicationand soon after it found its way
into the hands of AJ Gordon, aprominent Baptist minister and
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founder of Gordon College andGordon Conwell Theological
Seminary.
Also a hymn writer in his ownright, gordon was touched by the
sincerity of Featherston'swords, but felt that the
original musical setting didn'tdo justice to the profound
message of the poem.
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So he took it upon himself tocompose a new melody that better
captured the essence ofFeatherston's heartfelt
declaration of love for Jesus.
Gordon's new musicalarrangement breathed new life
into my Jesus, I Love Thee andcatapulted it to worldwide
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acclaim.
The hymn quickly gainedpopularity among Christians of
all denominations and has sincebeen translated into numerous
languages.
What makes my Jesus, I LoveThee so enduring is its genuine
expression of love and devotionto Jesus Christ.
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Featherston's simple yetprofound words resonate with
believers across generations,reminding us of the deep and
abiding love that Christ has foreach one of us.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
My Jesus, I Love Thee
.
I know that weren't mine, ForThee are the follies of sin.
I resign.
My gracious Redeemer, my Saviorart Thou.
If ever I loved Thee, my Jesustis now.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
I love Thee because
Thou hast first loved me and
purchased my pardon on Calvary'stree.
I love Thee for wearing thethorns on Thy brow.
If ever I loved Thee, my Jesustis now.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
I'll love Thee in
life.
I will love Thee in death andpraise Thee as long as Thou
lendest me breath and say, whenthe death dew lies cold on my
brow if ever I loved Thee, myJesus tis now.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
In mansions of glory
and endless delight.
I'll ever adore Thee in heavenso bright.
I'll sing with the glitteringcrown on my brow.
If ever I loved Thee, my Jesustis now.
And with that, let's hear moreabout this special hymn from
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another extraordinary12-year-old, my daughter Zoe, as
she shares her thoughts on myJesus I love Thee and why she
chose to talk about thistimeless hymn.
We are here today with myamazing 12-year-old and that
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just boggles my mind sometimes,daughter, that she is 12 already
and getting older and making mefeel older and older every day.
But we're here with my amazingdaughter Zoe.
How are you doing?
Speaker 1 (10:20):
I'm doing great.
How about you?
Speaker 3 (10:23):
I'm doing good, so
we're talking about my Jesus.
I love Thee.
Let's start real simple.
What does this hymn mean to youpersonally?
Speaker 1 (10:39):
It reminds me of
Christ's grace to me and love
towards me, because His lovinggrace is shown.
In the second verse.
It says I love Thee becauseThou first lovin' me and
purchased my pardon in Calvary'stree.
I love Thee for wearing thethorns on my brow.
If ever I loved Thee, my Jesustis now.
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So the second and the thirdline just talks about His
crucifixion, how he purchased mylife so that I can be saved.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
When you say His
grace and His love towards you.
Why are those so important?
Speaker 1 (11:26):
So then I can go to
heaven and rejoice with Him all
day long.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Can you share a
specific moment or an experience
when this hymn had asignificant impact on your faith
or on your relationship withJesus?
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Months back, like
right after my birthday, my aunt
unexpectedly passed away at ayoung age, and being upset and
like just sad about her death, Iread this hymn and it reminded
me that she's safe in heaven.
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Rejoicing God, that's largerthan life.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
What made you think
that everything would be okay?
Speaker 1 (12:14):
I know that she
accepted Christ into her heart,
and in the last verse it says inmansions of glory and endless
delight, I'll ever adore thee inheaven so bright, I'll sing
with the glittering crown on mybrow.
If ever I love thee.
My Jesus is now in heaven.
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It's like better than ever.
That just helps me know thatshe's in a better place now.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
So how do you
interpret the lyrics?
My Jesus, I love thee, I knowthou art mine, in that very
first verse.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Well, when you accept
Christ into your heart, you are
his and he is yours.
Isn't that a verse in John dad?
Speaker 3 (13:05):
in John 15.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
John 15.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
John 15, verse 5,
says I am the vine, you are the
branches.
Whoever abides in me and I inhim, he it is that bears much
fruit, for apart from me, youcan do nothing.
So when it says my Jesus, Ilove thee, I know thou art mine
that we are part of him and heis part of us.
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The hymn talks about lovingJesus because thou hast first
loved me.
How does this idea, this ideathat God loved us first, now,
how does that understandingaffect your own love for Jesus?
Speaker 1 (13:47):
John 3 16 says for
God so loved the world, he gave
his one and only son, so thatWhoever believes in him shall
not perish but have eternal life.
God gave us a way to love himthrough his son, jesus.
Before that, we could likeNever love him and others as
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much as as much as he does withus.
But because Jesus came into theworld, he gave us that pathway
in order to love God as much ashe's he does us so so You're
saying that we could not haveloved God like we couldn't have
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chosen God?
Speaker 3 (14:33):
He had to choose us
first.
He had to love us first.
He had to show us how to love,how to love in that that
sacrificial love.
By giving his life for us, heshowed us how to love, not just
to love him, but how to loveeach other and love each other
correctly.
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Absolutely so in what ways doessinging or listening to this
hymn help you connect with Godon a deeper level?
Speaker 1 (15:03):
it gives me a better
and deeper like understanding on
how to love him as much as heloves us.
So In like the third, like thesecond and third verse, well,
but mainly in verse 3 you talkedabout loving him as much as
possible, even when death isliterally one second away from
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us.
I see that because it says inthe second line it says and
praise thee as long as the landto me read like you're going,
like you're going to praise himUntil death strikes you.
Because in line 3 of verse 3 itsays and say when the death do
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lies cold on my brow, if ever Ilove thee at my, jesus does now.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
So is there anywhere
in scripture where it talks
about that?
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Isn't that in
Philippians 120?
Speaker 3 (16:03):
It is yeah, so like.
So verse 3 is saying it's kindof echoing what is said in
Philippians, chapter 1 we'resaying I'm gonna honor you,
whether in life, whether indeath, however it is, I'm going
to honor you, I'm gonna love you, god, no matter what.
And then he's saying in verse21 he says For to live is Christ
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and to die is gain, meaning tolive.
I think it goes into thatsecond line where it says and
praise thee as long as thoulendest me breath.
You're saying as long as I'malive, for to live is Christ.
To live I'm gonna keep praisingyou, I'm gonna keep telling
people about you.
To live is to be in Christ andto be Talking about him and to
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be praising him and to be givingmy life for him.
So, whether in life or in death, that is it.
And In life it means praisingyou, in Death it means I get to
be with you.
Would you agree with that?
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Absolutely, because
it's the truth.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Are there any
particular lines or phrases from
the hymn that like reallyresonate with you, like more
than any other, and why?
Speaker 1 (17:23):
I absolutely love.
If ever I love the my Jesus isnow Verse one.
It's basically saying out withthe old and with the new, and
you're going into a new life andyou're resigning from your old
life, which is like the folliesof sin, the foolish things I've
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done in my life, and wheneveryou're going into your new life,
it's your new life throughChrist.
And at the end it says if Iever love the, my Jesus is now.
Like you love Jesus more thanyou did in the past.
And in verse two it talks aboutwhy we love Jesus and talks
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about how he was crucified onthe cross for so then we can
live.
And at the end of that verse itsays if ever I love the, my
Jesus is now, which it's morethan you did in the first verse,
and like you love him, likeright now.
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And in verse three it talksabout how you love the in life
and love the in death and how wecan live our life and rejoice
in Christ, and even when deathis like literally standing right
in front of you about to takeyour life away.
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If ever I love the my Jesus isnow More than you did.
In verse one and two and evenbefore then.
And in verse four, you're inheaven, you're meeting God face
to face, you're rejoicing him inawe.
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And at the end, of course,again it says if ever I love the
, my Jesus is now.
You live him now more than youdid in life.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
So it kind of tells a
story.
And hymns like this and I'vetalked about it on multiple
podcasts before how hymns tellstories and I like how you kind
of went through and it tells thestory of a life from the moment
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we accept Christ to the momentwe see him face to face and that
idea of loving him more andmore and more and more, that's
really good.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Thanks.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
So what lessons have
you learned from my Jesus?
I love you that you could carrywith you into your own faith
journey.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
I learned how it
tells like more of a story.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Why do you think
stories are so important?
Speaker 1 (20:16):
So then people have
like something to talk about,
read, just like to not be bored.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
And that's it.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
No, I feel like it
kind of might like reflect on
their life a bit.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
So stories help to
not just tell us something, but
they teach us things and theycan help us kind of maybe put
ourselves into somebody else'sshoes, or maybe stories help us
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understand, maybe concepts thatif you just heard somebody tell
you about something let's say Itold you about well, god loves
you and God cares about you.
But telling a story about howyou experience God's love or how
you know that God loves you, oryou tell a story about it, that
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story may resonate withsomebody and they may go oh wow,
I felt like that before too.
That's really cool that God wasable to talk to you in that way
or to do something in your life.
And so stories tend to not justteach us but help us kind of
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work through things, would yousay.
That's true.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Absolutely.
I feel like you can make peoplelike more empathetic through
stories.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
So, before we go, and
I saved this one for last and I
saved this one for last becauseI know when you and I talked
about doing this him, one of thereasons why you were like, oh
yeah, that sounds good, isbecause, featherston, when he
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wrote this, he was just ateenager.
And, as someone who is about tobe a teenager, do you find it
inspiring, do you find itsurprising that someone of your
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age could write something thatis so meaningful and that is so
timeless, that stood the test oftime?
And how does knowing his age atthe time he wrote this affect
your understanding or yourappreciation for it?
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Well, I really find
it inspiring that he was just a
teenager and he wrote somethingthis meaningful and powerful in
life.
And knowing that kids my ageand older they're too lazy to do
anything, they're usually juston their phones looking up stuff
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on YouTube.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
People your age on
phones.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Spending time on
mindless entertainment, what
that can't possibly be true.
You don't do that right.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
I don't have a phone,
so no, oh good, good, you must
have really good parents.
Yeah, totally.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
But you do have an
iPad.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Yeah, I do have an
iPad.
I also do stupid stuff on ittoo.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Thank you, I have
that on record now.
Thank you.
Oh my gosh.
So what do you think thedifference between Featherston
and the as a teenager way backthen in the 1800s, and you today
, what are?
Or teenage, not to say you,let's say teenagers, just your
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age group, that that, that agefrom about 12 to 19, like that
age.
What exactly is so differentbetween him being a teenager
then and you being one now?
And is it just that we have alot more technology and a lot
more things to to distract us?
Speaker 1 (24:24):
I feel like because
of a lot of technology like I
feel like that kind of distractsus and like putting our idle
soft phones, tablets, computers,pod I'm just kidding.
I feel like because of that wekind of put like an idle, like
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we put that as our idle insteadof God being our idle.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Yeah, so
technology-wise, there's a lot
more idle manufacturinghappening in our lives with cell
phones, with wanting to beliked or hearted on Instagram or
see the latest TikTok video orbe and I know this is making me
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old get a, get a like onFacebook.
Because I know yeah, I know,see, I'm getting eye rolls just
for saying the word Facebook,because Facebook's like so old
people it's all about.
It's all about TikTok andInstagram and Snapchat.
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Twitter.
Yeah, or well, it's called X,now X.
That's right.
I know that part, because weare on X.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Yeah, you're Gen X,
no the podcast.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Yes, I know, I'm Gen
X.
Thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
X, because people who
use it are Gen X.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Wow, wow, okay.
Well, that's all the time Ihave for you today.
I really do think that peopleyour age I think that teenagers
though there are a lot moredistractions and there's a lot
more out there for you tomindlessly surround your life
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with I think that teenagers havethe ability to think like this.
I think teenagers have theability to write songs like this
and to write poems like thisthat can stand the test of time.
That just because you havetechnology, just because you
have a lot of distractions atyour fingertips, I don't
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necessarily think it in any waystops you from thinking in a
deep way, thinking criticallyand thinking deeply.
But you've got to be willing tothink deeply.
Even the students I teach that'sprobably the hardest thing to
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teach them is how to think, howto sit down and read something
and think about it, or to sitdown and really contemplate what
does something mean and why doI believe what I believe and why
do I think the way I think andhow do I change that or how do I
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fix that.
And I'm not saying that youcan't.
I honestly think the potentialto write a song like this, to
write a classic song like this,is there.
I think you could do this.
I think anybody could do this.
It's a question of will you orwill you take the time to Do you
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think that's true?
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Why do you think so
many people aren't willing to
put in the time?
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Because they are lazy
.
They are lazy bums.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Does that include you
?
Speaker 1 (28:24):
A little bit
Sometimes.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
I think we all can be
lazy bum sometimes.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Results may vary.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
True, very good point
.
Well, I love this hymn.
I have loved my Jesus.
I love the four times.
I've loved my Jesus more thanever.
I've loved my Jesus more thanever.
Thank you for being on thepodcast.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
You're welcome.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Awesome.
Thank you, goodbye.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Jesus is now.
I love thee because thou hastfirst love at me and purchased
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my pardon on Calvary's tree.
I love thee for wearing thethorns on thy brow.
If ever I love thee, my Jesusis now.
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I love thee in life.
I will love thee in death andpraise thee as long as thou
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lendest me breath and say whenthe death do lies cold on my
brow.
If ever I love thee, my Jesusis now.
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In mansions of glory and endlessdelight.
I'll ever adore thee in heaven,so bright, I'll sing with a
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glittering crown on my brow.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
If ever I love thee,
my Jesus is now.
I'll ever adore thee in heaven,so bright.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
That was my Jesus.
I Love Thee.
By Red Mountain Church MusicFrom their 2003 release Depth of
Mercy, a Red Mountain Churchhymn project.
For more information about thisalbum, check out the album
credits in the show notes forthis episode.
You can find Depth of Mercy andmany other albums from Red
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Mountain Church Music on theirwebsite,
wwwRedMountainChurchMusiccom,and the Red Mountain Church
Collective onwwwHymCollectiveorg.
So what do you think about thatsong?
Speaker 1 (34:22):
One thing I have to
say that harmony was perfect,
Spot on.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Well, would you like
to come back again?
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Sure.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
What hymn would you
like to do next time?
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Greatest Thy
faithfulness.
I love that one.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Greatest Thy
faithfulness.
That's a good hymn.
I like Greatest Thyfaithfulness.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Me too.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Well, thank you again
for being on, and maybe next
time we'll be able to doGreatest.
Thy faithfulness.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
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You did.
You designed a shirt and Ithink, a lunchbox too, right.
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Yeah, a lunchbox is
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though yeah.
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Actually I think uh,
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Before we go, zoe, would youlike to close us out in prayer?
Speaker 1 (37:21):
Sure.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
Go for it.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Lord, thank you for
today, Thank you for this
amazing hymn.
Hope each of us to rememberthat we are loved by you because
you loved us first and we canlove you more and more each and
every day.
Give us each an amazing weekand bring us back next week to
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hear more from you.
Thank you for who you are andwe pray all in this in Jesus'
name.
Amen.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
God bless you all.
Have a great week and we'll seeyou back here next week.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
Hey, hey, hey.
Speaker 3 (37:59):
What.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
I started this, so I
think I should end this, don't
you think?
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Oh, okay, just let me
say we're out.
Speaker 4 (38:40):
Yeah.