The Container: A Circling and Authentic Relating Podcast

Ryle Kestano is a major name in the Authentic Relating movement--he literally wrote the book on the topic. In this discussion, he shares his thoughts on bringing these important practices beyond the workshop format and into our everyday lives with everyone we know.

His message calls us to make more powerful and real connections. Despite all the reasons we might have to reject or refuse people, can we show up for more authenticity in...

Susan Campbell returns to talk about the fear of death. It's harrowing, it's confronting, but it's also a pathway to deep self-learning.

 📬 Get Susan Campbell's fantastic Substack here.

 🎧 Plus, listen to Episodes 24 and 25 to hear Susan walk us through her incredible From Triggered to Tranquil system.

 📚 You can also find her extraordinary books (we highly recommend them) for sale here.

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Jason Digges is an absolute legend in the world of circling and authentic relating. So we were happy to have him back to discuss his journey opening up a new circling school.

What makes his school different?

Jason is resurrecting the Integral Circling movement. It’s also offering an affordable way to practice with plans starting at just $40 a month.

📚 Check out Jason Digges’ circling school here: https://www.integralcirclingscho...

This is the second half of our series of interviews with Rob Kancler. He is a guide and spiritual teacher for men who want to become pioneers of their sexual futures. His work opens our eyes to the million myths and false narratives that bind our energies and block the full expression of who we are and what we could become.

If you love this discussion, make sure to check out Episode 55.

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We all know social media is broken. Jordan Myska Allen and the team at UpTrust are trying to fix that.

How? They’re integrating insights from the relational arts as well as enormous, civilization-wide considerations of how trust works and how people keep an open mind.

It might be the first-ever high-consciousness social media platform. And you can become a part of it by joining the waitlist.

📚 Sign up for the waitlist here! (http://u...

Rob Kancler guides men to become pioneers of their sexual futures. His work opens our eyes to the million myths and false narratives that bind our energies and block the full expression of who we are and what we could become.

Plus, he’s a great conversationalist.

In this long episode, we talk about all kinds of topics related to sexuality, the body, and reaching mystical states through union. Our next episode will bring you more Rob ...

Marina Weiler is an Assistant Professor of Psychiatry and Neurobehavioral Sciences in the UVA Division of Perceptual Studies.

That’s one way to say that she scientifically studies out-of-body experiences (or OBEs). This research is deeply confronting to a purely materialist view of the world, and it helps us understand better how consciousness works.

Anyone who has circled for an extended period of time has likely induced an OBE (or ...

Jordan Myska Allen. He pioneered many fundamental practices in the art of circling and authentic relating—and he coined an entirely new paradigm to file this work under: Relatefulness.

And his organization (the Relateful Company in Austin, Texas) is the leading center of the relational arts in the United States. 

We talk about this thing of ours, with Jordan pushing us to go beyond the axioms and maxims that guide the practice for mo...

In our final episode of the Advent season, we welcome the luminous Scout Rainer Wiley—mystical writer, ritual artist, and contemplative spirit. Known for her ability to weave esoteric wisdom with grounded, real-world insights, Scout takes us on a journey through her reflections on writing, living a sacred life, the importance of ritual, and how natural disasters (even a hurricane) can serve as an emergent ritual ordeal for an entir...

Alicen Grey is many things—a writer, a musician, a mystic, and a magician. She comes on The Container to talk about Jesus Christ and the secret of free energy. We also cover why opening ourselves up to the magic and power of Christianity can be so difficult given our personal histories and previous encounters with the religion.

This very special episode comes just in time for Advent season. We are so grateful to be able to...

Mahaya Alina Sikorsky is a circling facilitator and life coach who works with The Connection Institute. She shares how this practice changed her life and how it can catalyze a profound shift in the world by developing New Earth Consciousness.

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Check out Episodes 33 and 34 for interviews with Melody Indigo Markel who also works at The Connection Institute!

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Mark Walsh is a lot of things, but if you know his name, it’s likely because of his work with embodiment. And he blends life coaching with weight training to give young men guidance.

We brought him on to talk about the issues facing men and how weightlifting can help.

And along the way… we talk about politics. A first for The Container—and edgy territory for us to get into.

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Peter Munthe-Kaas is a master of the Circling Europe tradition. He hops into the Container to discuss his blend of Circling, Tai Chi, and Daoism.

🔗Find him online at: www.munthe-kaas.dk


This ties into our ongoing investigation in the Dao and Circling. You can see more of that in Episode 38: The Tao Te Ching and Circling and Episode 40: Who Is the Master in the Tao Te Ching?

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We get hands-on, practical tools from a master of the relational arts—Michael Porcelli.

He is the creator of MetaRelating, a powerful system blending Authentic Relating with broader communication and psychological frameworks.

In this episode, Porcelli introduces a ton of helpful concepts, including the "We-Creature," a dynamic third entity between two people that needs attention and care.

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This episode brings us the thoughts and experience of none other than Sean Wilkinson, co-founder of Circling Europe. He walks us through the power (and dangers) of tapping into life force.

Deep bow to Sean and his extraordinary contributions to human connection and awakening. We are so humbled to bring you this conversation.

Check out the Circling Europe website here.

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Martje Witzel comes back on the show to talk about deep connection. To each other and even to the earth itself.

In this state of deep connection, we can expand our minds and discover the real meaning of things like "love" and "God."

For more information on Martje, check out her website here.

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Martje Witzel is a life coach and surrendered leadership facilitator.  Sharing space with her, you can immediately feel the power of her presence and the commitment she has to the practice.

In this discussion, she helps us orient to the profound (and often bizarre) features of fields created under surrendered leadership. We continue to broaden our horizons until we find ourselves at the ultimate questions.

And tha...

For those of us who circle and practice surrendered leadership, we've all tasted the magic in what we do. I think that means we could learn a lot (and grow a lot) from seeing how people in the world of magic organize themselves and create heightened states of presence and oneness (a cosmic version of connection).

To give us that perspective, Carolyn Lovewell comes back on the podcast. She helps us understand the impor...

We're back on the third rung of the Container spiral!

We discuss Existential K/nk with Carolyn Lovewell (formerly Carolyn Eliot). She guides us through her discovery and creation of the single best shadow work system available today.

To learn more about her work, go to her website.

It's Episode 42. As you may know, 42 is a powerful number in the Kabbalah. In this system, the 42-letter name of Go...