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April 16, 2025 59 mins

The DIVA of Drag Race Down Under Minnie Cooper joins Sam to bat back at these Sydney Housewives.. And the balls are in our court. We are finally back in Sydney and the girls have ACTIVATED. Caroline and Terry get dirty in the Westfield Tower, and Nicole’s excuses were all over the place. The dolls also discuss Katy Perry's floptana mission to space and some Beverly Hills and Salt Lake City. 

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Sam Cremean (00:00):
This podcast was produced on the land of the
Wurundjeri people of the Kulin

Intro (00:04):
Nation.

Sam Cremean (00:19):
Hello, hello, hello, Mini Cooper.
How you going?

Minnie Cooper (00:22):
I'm very well.
How are you?
Thanks for having me today.
So

Sam Cremean (00:26):
good to have you back.
It's been a little while sinceseason two.

Minnie Cooper (00:30):
Well, that was the only reason I realized it
was two years ago.
I

Sam Cremean (00:33):
know.

Minnie Cooper (00:34):
Oh, because I saw the years on the binge.

Sam Cremean (00:37):
Yeah, I love how binge you're calling the seasons
now, like 2016 and 2023.
I'm like, okay, sure.

Minnie Cooper (00:46):
I say take it back to season one cast because
I can't stand these ladies.
Oh my

Sam Cremean (00:51):
God.
They really, yeah.
This season, I tell you, it'sgoing left field quick and I'm
living for every second of it.

Minnie Cooper (01:01):
Do you know who I blame for why I don't like it
so much?
Whoever casts the show, they'renot good at finding the right
mix of chemistry of women.
Likeable.
They're just not likeable.

Sam Cremean (01:15):
Well, did you see that woman they didn't cast that
smashed up a car?
No! Did you see that?
It was on the news.
There was this woman wholike...
And I mean, I haven't deepdived, obviously, but it was
just a little news clip aboutthis woman driving a car around
Sydney drunk.
And then it turns out she wasone of the backup cast members

(01:37):
for this season.
And I was like, that could havebeen a whole storyline.
Missed

Minnie Cooper (01:41):
opportunity.
Yeah, they should...
That's who we need.
We need someone like her.
Someone messy.
Yes.
They're sort of messy, but it'sjust sort of interesting.
I don't know.
I can't put my finger on it.
I don't find it a fun kind ofmessy.

Sam Cremean (01:55):
Okay.
I get what you mean.
I think it was fun when theywere on the girls' trip because
they didn't have Nicole andCaroline there who are agitating
a few of the other castmembers.
So they were able to get on.
I think that was a big theme ofthis week's episode.
They chilled out a little bit.

Minnie Cooper (02:11):
I have to do.
No, no, no.
I agree with you.
But my favorite thing when Igot out of this episode, Martine
was at the party where shewasn't getting a word in and got
all upset and she left.
Because obviously they don'ttalk about the topics that she's
interested in.
Was that what she said?
Something like that?
If I remember correctly?

Sam Cremean (02:31):
Yeah.
She was like, well, first itwas...
i'm bored of you guys then itwas i can't get a word in so i
don't know i think she's just ohit's not about her for two
seconds she's like see ya

Minnie Cooper (02:44):
i know and she said because i think at the time
they were all talking aboutgetting botox and she goes i
just don't like women who talklike that then in this episode
i'm going to do my favoritething getting pampered and done
i'm like go oh i can't I justcan't stand her.
I know.
She never comes back.
She goes, my favourite part ofthis episode from her was this.

(03:07):
I've just been sittingrelaxing.
Okay, taking selfies.
It's really relaxing.

Sam Cremean (03:16):
Hey, before we get further into this week's
episode, we do need to discussIt's a Woman's World now and
we're living in it.
Katy Perry went to space for 11seconds, doll.
11 minutes even.

Minnie Cooper (03:32):
I did see someone say, who cares that a bunch of
rich women have gone to spacefor 11 seconds?
Are they out of touch?
Do you

Sam Cremean (03:41):
think so?
The whole thing was so, it'ssuch a non-event, wasn't it?
All this build up and like, oh,it's kind of like a grinder
hookup that happens for 11minutes and you forget about it
the next day.

Minnie Cooper (03:54):
Yeah, 11 minutes is just not that long.
No.

Sam Cremean (03:59):
Would you go into space?
I

Minnie Cooper (04:02):
don't know.
I've never really thought aboutit.
If it was safe, yes.
If I thought it was safe.

Sam Cremean (04:08):
Who from your drag sisterhood would you take with
you?
If you had to build an all-dragcast of characters to go on a
space voyage?

Minnie Cooper (04:19):
Do they have to be people that...
Do they have to be people thathave been on Drag Race?
No,

Sam Cremean (04:24):
anyone from the scene.

Minnie Cooper (04:26):
Okay, I'd take Temmie Brown.

Sam Cremean (04:30):
She's already in space.
I know.
She'll meet you up there.

Minnie Cooper (04:33):
I loved it.
Hannah, I'd take Tora Hyman.
I'd take Vanity.
And who else would I take?
Calm and Charisma, and that'dbe enough.

Sam Cremean (04:46):
Stunning.

Minnie Cooper (04:47):
That'd be a good bunch.

Sam Cremean (04:49):
And I wish you all a safe journey.
I hope you all return.

Minnie Cooper (04:53):
Yeah, because drag would be so miserable if we
didn't.
I can tell you that much.

Sam Cremean (04:59):
Unfortunately for us, Katie did return safely.

Minnie Cooper (05:02):
Isn't it funny?
Katy Perry, she's gone throughit, hasn't she?
Because I really like KatyPerry.
Yeah.
She's had a bit of a rough dropin the last album or so, hasn't
she?
Yeah.
The fans

Sam Cremean (05:14):
turned, or people just turned very quickly, didn't

Minnie Cooper (05:17):
they?
Aren't fans just fickle?

Sam Cremean (05:20):
Also, how dare a woman age?
It's very like, oh, she's oldnow.
She's boring.
It's like, okay.

Minnie Cooper (05:25):
And also too, I did find A Woman's World was a
bit like, it was a drag race.

Sam Cremean (05:31):
Oh, yeah.

Minnie Cooper (05:32):
It felt like so.
It was giving

Sam Cremean (05:33):
rusical.

Minnie Cooper (05:34):
Yeah, wasn't it?
It was so giving rusical.
I think it was probably writtenby the same people.

Sam Cremean (05:39):
You told me before, so you've given up on season 17
and like, girl, same, but I amwatching it in the background
while I fold my laundry.

Minnie Cooper (05:47):
I don't know why.
I started, so first I wasn'tinterested in watching because I
had drag burnout, but then Istarted watching because I heard
people said it was really good,but They just didn't really
offer me anything I hadn't seenbefore.
I did sort of like the drama alittle bit, but I just got
bored.
Yeah.
And I'm going to watch thefinal just for Liza Minnelli

(06:08):
because that's going to beiconic.

Sam Cremean (06:10):
So iconic.
When I saw that photo come upof her on that throne, I was
like...

Minnie Cooper (06:16):
It's pretty amazing because out of all the
guests they had, let's face it,she's probably going to be the
most iconic one unless they'relike...
Unless you get a Cher or aDolly.
That's it.

Sam Cremean (06:30):
Yeah, true.
We're running out of icons.

Minnie Cooper (06:34):
Do you think Kylie Minogue's going to get
like Cher, Dolly Parton kind ofstatus?
Absolutely.
Absolutely.

Sam Cremean (06:42):
Yeah.
Did you go to the tour?

Minnie Cooper (06:44):
No, no, I didn't go to the tour.
I don't like going to concerts

Sam Cremean (06:47):
because

Minnie Cooper (06:48):
I don't get anything out of it.
They're this small.
It's so

Sam Cremean (06:52):
true.
Unless you're like...
At the very front.
It's like, seriously.

Minnie Cooper (06:56):
I saw Mariah at the front.
I love that.
Oh, amazing.
And she's camp.
She's so camp.
I'm not moving on until it'sready.

Sam Cremean (07:05):
Were you holding the wind machine?
Yeah.
Is that how close you were?

Minnie Cooper (07:09):
Oh, I could have.
But I was doing no work.
She's hilarious.
She's the best.

Sam Cremean (07:16):
Mariah is so good.
All right, shall we hop intothis week's episode of The Real
Housewives of Sydney?
Before we do, you can followThe Cringes Real on Blue Sky,
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(07:38):
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So get your tickets, girlies.

Minnie Cooper (07:43):
And what are you doing on that live podcast?
Oh, we're

Sam Cremean (07:46):
talking about everything.
We're talking about Drag Race.
We're talking about Maths.
We're talking about AustralianSurvivor.
It's just going to be a campold time.
So come and join us.

Minnie Cooper (07:55):
Oh, okay.
Right.
I mean, you'll be in Sydney.
Are you open on Friday?
On Good Friday?

Sam Cremean (08:02):
The pub is, yeah.
I mean, I hope they are becausewe've booked a show.

Minnie Cooper (08:07):
Actually, I think pubs are open here, but they
shut early.
Actually,

Sam Cremean (08:11):
it's so funny.
We're about to go to Queenstownwith the ladies.
And I remember I was there forChristmas last year.
And what day?
It must have been Christmas Eveor something.
A public holiday.
And they wouldn't serve alcoholto us.
It's like New Zealand law onthis public holiday.
We went in to buy...

(08:33):
a cocktail and the staff werelike, oh no, you can't have an
alcoholic beverage today.
Right.
And I was like, excuse me?
What?
Pretty sure Christmas is thetime that I would be requiring.
I am on a holiday with myparents and my husband.
I need to be drunk.

Minnie Cooper (08:55):
I need to not remember this.
Exactly.

Sam Cremean (09:00):
Oh my God.
This episode is called Game Setand Rematch.
Obviously, you know, throwingus to our tennis game we get
later on, but we start in bloodyQueenstown.
Yes.
We're still there.
I'm like, I'm ready to go home.
I'm not even on this trip.

Minnie Cooper (09:19):
And so was Martine.
Martine checked

Sam Cremean (09:22):
out

Minnie Cooper (09:23):
day one.
She was out.
But she was very good.
She sent everyone a personaltext.
Good on her.

Sam Cremean (09:29):
Oh my God.
Don't you love as well?
They keep saying every timethey talk about it, like in the,
in the previously on, Sally'slike, oh, and Martine walked out
of the margarita bar.
And then later on, they'relike, oh, that time that Martine
walked out of the margaritabar.
Like, not the

Minnie Cooper (09:43):
margarita bar.
So good.
What's your whole take of herwalking out of the margarita
bar?

Sam Cremean (09:51):
I mean, she got her camera time moment.
I think that's what she wasgoing for.
If that's it, then power toher, really.
Yeah.
But also, I don't understand.

Minnie Cooper (10:01):
Yeah, I just don't get her that kind of
person i just don't find hervery warm or likable i don't
think she'd have very manyfriends

Sam Cremean (10:11):
well it seems like it and it seems like she's yeah
she's trying to make her and herhusband a thing on the show
which

Minnie Cooper (10:19):
but you know what he seems he seems quite nice

Sam Cremean (10:22):
he does he entertained the gold face masks
later

Minnie Cooper (10:25):
on so i liked that he's actually quite likable
and yeah Isn't that funny, butI can't stand it.
There's something about herthat doesn't connect with me.
I don't want to say hate.

Sam Cremean (10:35):
I think, like, walking out of the margarita
bar, whatever.
The getting their own villathing, which I do feel the
producers had a hand in, butthat aside.
Because it just, I don't know,it was already there.
Like, I don't know.
But the way that they, theBobsey twins, Victoria and
Martine, the way they just didthat, I don't know, if that was

(10:59):
me on a trip and someone didthat, I'd be like, how annoying.

Minnie Cooper (11:01):
Oh, if you had just done it at the door, he'd
be on the way out.

Sam Cremean (11:05):
Also, for what?
So you can avoid some dickjokes?
Like, just come on.
You're a big girl, so you canlaugh off a few dick jokes.

Minnie Cooper (11:15):
And I suppose this is why I like Chrissy so
much.
And I wish there were more.
Because I think she, forsomeone that's got...
money.
She's got champagne pockets,but a beer bottle mouth.

Intro (11:27):
Yep.

Minnie Cooper (11:29):
But they're all so easily offended.

Sam Cremean (11:33):
They're snowflake city, these girls.
They're ready to clutch thosepearls.
They're waiting to do it.
And some of the stuff.
This episode is riddled withtext etiquette

Minnie Cooper (11:46):
drama.
And I'm

Sam Cremean (11:47):
like, come on, girls.
Firstly, my note to you all,Stop texting each other and
start having conversations oncamera, please.
Yes! Because we have no ideawhat's going on.
It's so boring to watch.
I'm like, who texts who aboutwhat?
And they're offended.
Like, fucking who cares?
And

Minnie Cooper (12:07):
I think this is what's the problem from my point
of view.
I have a problem withHousewives of Sydney.
You look at Salt Lake City, forexample.
The

Sam Cremean (12:15):
peak, the pinnacle.

Minnie Cooper (12:17):
But they know what they've signed up for.
They come in, they sign up.
And they go, they have, theygo.
Every episode is like

Intro (12:26):
a...

Minnie Cooper (12:27):
But these girls, they don't do that.
They're all trying to makethemselves, we want to be, I'm
this and this perfection.
That doesn't work for realitytelevision.
That's not what you want from ahousewife.
What did I hear Andy Cohen sayonce?
A good housewife is one that istotally transparent, is willing
to have but willing to get itover and move on.

(12:49):
That's it.
They're the best housewivesbecause they can keep having
conflict and moving and moving.

Sam Cremean (12:54):
And apparently it's what Jackie Gillies told the
girls when they met up recentlyfor their little watch party.
Oh,

Minnie Cooper (13:02):
Joanne.
Oh,

Sam Cremean (13:04):
sorry, Jillian.

Minnie Cooper (13:07):
I was like, oh, we've got to get to

Sam Cremean (13:10):
that.
Oh, we will.
But no, apparently she told theladies that when they shot
Melbourne after every scene,they would meet off camera and
just have a drink and a giggleabout it.
And they would just move thefuck on.
And she was like, please dothat.
Cause they need to like thefact that today we get Nicole

(13:30):
and Terry, like not having seeneach other for like a year or
something.
That's not okay with me.
Like, come on.

Minnie Cooper (13:37):
But I was sort of loving it.
I mean,

Sam Cremean (13:39):
it was, it was fun.
The awkwardness was fine.
fun but also I would ratherit's if it was about something
that I can buy into, sure.
But I don't even know what it'sabout at this point.
What, she was late in Japan orsomething?

Minnie Cooper (13:52):
Oh, no.
The arguments are all abouttheir social etiquette.
Yeah, true.
You didn't send a text.
You were late for me.
You don't respect.
It's all.
Policing

Sam Cremean (14:02):
each other's behavior, isn't it?
Yeah, that's what it is.
But not about anything bigenough, in my opinion.
Like, they're all got, they'reliving pretty well if their
biggest issue in life

Intro (14:13):
is.
Five

Sam Cremean (14:14):
minutes

Minnie Cooper (14:14):
late.
If that's your biggest point.
Girl, yeah.
And this is why I like Chrissybecause she's sort of gone,

(14:42):
okay, we've got to move on fromthis.
Yes, I'm going to give you theapology because that's what you
need, even if it's not sorry.
But also having fun andacknowledging, oh, we used to
fight.
Oh, no, I can't say that.
That's fun.
I can relate to that.
So she's acknowledging thatit's been awkward, but it's also
fun.
She can laugh at herself.

Sam Cremean (15:02):
And Kate, too.
I've got to say, Kate has grownon me so much.
I'm really enjoying her thisseason.
She's got the funniestconfessionals.
She's got this, like, bogankind of read on everything.
She's like, oh, get fucked.
It's like, I'm really warmingto Kate.

Minnie Cooper (15:17):
I'm not sold on her.
You're

Sam Cremean (15:19):
not?
No.
Fair enough.
She's, yeah, definitely sticksout from the rest of them.

Minnie Cooper (15:24):
Yeah, and I think it's the whole thing.
They don't feel like they'refriends.
They feel like they're allworking.
I don't know how the other...
Like even Beverly Hills, I knowthey're not friends with this
chemistry between the women,where I just don't feel this
chemistry between these women.
That's what the disconnect is.
But there was chemistry in thisepisode.

Sam Cremean (15:45):
Yeah, that's the thing.
I feel like they're buildingit, but it's taken a while.
Over at the other villa, theBobsy twins are chatting and
Victoria asks Martine, oh, howdo you feel about lunch,
darling?
Do you think you could make itto lunch?
And she's like, oh.
I just don't think that I can.
Fucking hell.

(16:06):
Would it kill you to rock up toshoot for one scene, have a
lovely lunch, and then hop onthe plane with everyone?
Like, girlina.

Minnie Cooper (16:17):
I'm glad she didn't go.

Sam Cremean (16:21):
Me too.
I mean, I love when they alltalk about her when she's not
there.
That is

Minnie Cooper (16:24):
great too.

Sam Cremean (16:25):
Yeah.
But, yeah.

Minnie Cooper (16:26):
Because, like, I just don't even like the way she
argues.
So you tell me what I'm saying.

Sam Cremean (16:33):
Oh, it's intense.
She does already, like, do herpre-excuse stuff.
She's like, look, well, I'm offthe hook because I've sent a
text and I know that this groupare very big on you just have to
send a text.
Like, Nicole didn't send a textwhen she didn't rock up.
to the healing, but I've sent atext.
So therefore I'm fine.
And I'm like, the fact thatthey left that in, I was like,

(16:54):
here we go.
You're not, you're not off thehook doll.
We'll say then at lunch, Chris,fuck.
I love Chrissy.
She's like, you know, she'sfive skinny bitches at this
point.
And she's like, oh, look, Kate,I want to ask about your
boyfriend, but I won't.

Minnie Cooper (17:09):
I'm not going to do it.
This is why I like her.
She's actually, I think she'sthe only one that's probably the
most self-aware.

Sam Cremean (17:17):
Totally.
And she can take a joke.

Minnie Cooper (17:21):
Yeah, yeah, totally.
I agree.

Sam Cremean (17:22):
Yeah.
And she knows that she can beboisterous and talking loud and
like prying and all that.
And she's just like, fuck it.
That's who I am.
You know, if you don't like it,

Minnie Cooper (17:33):
Do you think when someone like Kate now has
warmed to her, she realizes,because I don't think Chrissy
ever had really ever beenintense towards Kate ever.
I really think it was all meantto be lighthearted.

Sam Cremean (17:47):
She thinks she's funny and telling jokes and
stuff.
And it's, yeah, it rubs peoplethe wrong way when they're this
snowflakey.

Minnie Cooper (17:55):
Yeah, I agree.
I think I like her.

Sam Cremean (17:58):
I love how Terry sips on those skinny bitches.
There were these shots at thislunch and she was like, like
her, the posture of her, likeshe's got a straight back, the
strength of those cheeks suckingon that straw.
I was like,

Intro (18:14):
oh.

Sam Cremean (18:15):
What's your opinion on her?
I mean, she's carrying thefucking show, in my opinion.
Like, who's the Biv?
She's a heavyweight champion.
These bitches can't even try totake her down.
She just does not give a fuck.

Minnie Cooper (18:33):
Do you think she does Gaslight?
I mean,

Sam Cremean (18:36):
yeah.
I think she plays dirty and Ilove it.
And I think the whole thingwith her and was it?
Joanne or Jillian, the psychic.
I think the whole thing withher absolutely was like a
so-called set up, likeeveryone's saying, but like, no
shit.
This show needed something likethat to happen or else what the

(18:58):
fuck were we going to watch?
Just Martine getting facialsfor a whole season.
Sorry.
Like, come on.
I'm sick of them going, oh, sheset us up with Jackie.
Fuck.
Yeah.
Have you seen the show before,Dole?
You do sound healing.
You do dumb

Minnie Cooper (19:15):
stuff.
Get involved.
I know.
I know.
And I just thought, what was myother favourite part?
This Nicole.
I really did like Nicole.
I actually like Nicole.
I like that she walked straightup to Terry at the match and
goes, sorry, I'm justapologising.

Sam Cremean (19:30):
So good.

Minnie Cooper (19:31):
It

Sam Cremean (19:31):
was fabulous.

Minnie Cooper (19:32):
Not sorry for

Sam Cremean (19:32):
anything else.
Just, oh, sorry, I didn't textand didn't come.
To your little healing thing,whatever that was.
How was that, by the way?

Minnie Cooper (19:39):
I sort of thought that was heaven.
And it wasn't, it was hittingwhat it was going.
She knew what she was walkinginto.
I just got, I'm going to hitthis right on the head.
Apology.
And what could she say?
Cause I've apologized.

Sam Cremean (19:55):
Sally says without Caroline and Nicole on the trip,
Kate and Chrissy have been ableto bond and it's been real
cute.

Minnie Cooper (20:02):
I'd agree with that.

Sam Cremean (20:04):
Sally's been good this season.
I think she's like speaking hermind a little bit more.

Minnie Cooper (20:09):
She's

Sam Cremean (20:10):
involved.

Minnie Cooper (20:10):
I reckon, generally, in real life, she'd
be a really sweet lady.
Actually, I really like her

Sam Cremean (20:15):
as

Minnie Cooper (20:16):
well.
Yeah, yeah.
But I love them putting pity onher because she's got cancer,
so you don't get

Sam Cremean (20:22):
called out.

Minnie Cooper (20:22):
Yeah.
And I love that she wentstraight in.
How dare you?
I thought

Sam Cremean (20:26):
that was

Minnie Cooper (20:27):
fabulous.
She's got balls.
I like that.

Sam Cremean (20:28):
She does.
Everyone got an identical text,but sent separately, not in a
group chat.
And this becomes...
The etiquette of discussion.
And then Chrissy said thefunniest shit.
She's like, oh, you go girl.
I wish I could learn how to doall this cut and paste

Minnie Cooper (20:53):
business.
It was pretty

Sam Cremean (20:54):
good.
So good.
I'm like, Chrissy does not knowhow to use a phone.

Minnie Cooper (20:57):
No, she doesn't.

Sam Cremean (20:59):
Have you seen her videos where she's like, oh, off
to lunch with the girls?
She's like out the door.
Yeah,

Minnie Cooper (21:06):
she also does videos about self-awareness and
mental health, actually, aswell.
Oh,

Sam Cremean (21:11):
really?
Yeah.
Those ones don't make myalgorithm.

Minnie Cooper (21:14):
That's what I...
Because I listen to it and Igo, oh, that's the person who
you are.
Because, you know, reality TVand the person who you are can
be two separate things.

Sam Cremean (21:23):
Definitely.
I think she's, yeah, having funand, like, happy to play into
it a little bit, which you haveto be to go on this show.
Oh,

Minnie Cooper (21:31):
yeah.
It's like when they weretelling Nicole...
You just can't do this.
You just can't hate it.
And she went, I don't think sheprobably would have really done
that in real life, but shereally did escalate.
I'm loving this.

Sam Cremean (21:44):
And then the conversation about text
etiquette continues, and I waslike, come on, let's wrap this
up.
Chrissy says, look, it's goingto be hard when they get back to
Sydney because they've allbonded on this trip.
They've moved forward, but someof the others, Caroline, is
still back in Sydney.
you know, square one.

(22:04):
So this will be good to see howthis plays out.
And then we finally make itback to Sydney, which is
stunning.
And Martine gets her face maskwith her husband as payback for
going on the golf date,

Minnie Cooper (22:20):
which was...
She doesn't like women talkingabout their Botox or body care.
But it's her favourite thing todo when she's home with her
husband.
Yeah,

Sam Cremean (22:32):
she doesn't strike me as a girl's girl.
Like, I'm like, yeah.

Minnie Cooper (22:36):
No, I just...
I hope she doesn't come back.

Sam Cremean (22:41):
You reckon she'll leave?

Minnie Cooper (22:43):
I just...
I don't think that...
I wouldn't ask her back if Iwas a producer.

Sam Cremean (22:47):
Oh, really?
See, I think she's...
stirring shit which i'menjoying but yeah you're right i
don't know if there's enoughsee

Minnie Cooper (22:54):
i like it if i someone i like some of the stir
shit that you like like terryyou can you can get into terry
so as much as i don't like likeelisa renner I love Elisa
Renner.
Totally.
She

Sam Cremean (23:09):
stirs shit, but then you love it.
Well, not everyone loves her,but I do.

Minnie Cooper (23:12):
Well, I think poor Elisa Renner, she just
copped too much trolling.
But they all want her back now.
The fans want her back.
Yeah, because

Sam Cremean (23:20):
we've had three seasons of fucking Snooze Town
talking about Garcelle's BeachHouse.
So, yes, we do need her back.

Minnie Cooper (23:28):
I think it's in general on Housewives when
they're polarising, there'salways a time when that happens
to all of them.
And she was really

Sam Cremean (23:35):
polarised.
Mm-mm.
I did love that the gold paintreally made Martine look like
C-3PO,

Intro (23:43):
which

Minnie Cooper (23:45):
is

Sam Cremean (23:46):
confirming my theory she's a robot.
So thanks for that.

Minnie Cooper (23:50):
Do you think she's a Stepford Wife?
Maybe she's a Stepford Wife.

Sam Cremean (23:53):
She's a robot that's been programmed to be a
Stepford Wife.
It's actually Black MirrorSeason 8.
Caroline and Chrissy catch upfor a Bloody Mary, having a
break from the Skinny Bitches.
And Chrissy rubs it in that shewas, she's like trying to be
like, she's like, New Zealandwas great.
You missed out.

(24:13):
We went, there was an ice cock.
There was a helicopter.
And then hang on.
Caroline is busy de-linting

Minnie Cooper (24:22):
her boots.
That's hysterical.
I was like, that's

Sam Cremean (24:26):
it.
Ikea de-linter thing.
These looks, we've got to talkabout Caroline's looks.

Minnie Cooper (24:32):
I want to talk about all of their looks.
Okay.
Look how Cherry and Carolineturned up for a drink to have a
fight.
Like her and that leather?
That

Sam Cremean (24:42):
leather glove.
We'll get to that glove.
The cow, the cow birthingglove.
I loved that look.
She looked sickening.
Oh,

Minnie Cooper (24:49):
love the look, but do you wear that to lunch?

Sam Cremean (24:51):
Yeah.
Terrible.

Minnie Cooper (24:52):
Oh, I just wanted to say.

Sam Cremean (24:56):
Caroline looked hot too at that lunch.
They both knew they had to lookhot because they knew that that
was, they're using every frameof that.

Minnie Cooper (25:04):
They are, right?
Do you think, how rich do youthink Caroline is?

Sam Cremean (25:09):
I have no idea, but- I mean, she's what?
On her own in an apartment.
Babe, I have no idea.
I feel like everyone that livesin Sydney is rich because I
don't know how you guys affordto do it.

Minnie Cooper (25:22):
But it just seems like different kind of rich
from the other ladies.
Does that make sense?

Sam Cremean (25:31):
Yeah.
I don't know.
They keep all their cardspretty close to their chest.
It's very Australian, isn't it?
Like you don't talk about howmuch money you have.

Minnie Cooper (25:40):
Yeah, but you'll show it off in what you're
driving.
Because she doesn't drive a careither, does she, Carola?

Sam Cremean (25:45):
I don't know.
She does talk about gettingstuck in the doggy door.
Oh, no, which is quite funny.
The big bolt-ons wouldn't lether through.
I would...
How did we not get that oncamera?
Like, the things that they talkabout this season that were not
caught on camera, I'm like,guys...
Get a different camera crew.
We need them 24-7.

(26:06):
I

Minnie Cooper (26:07):
think that's part of the problem.
They're too worried about howthey're going to look on camera.
I think Chrissy is the only onethat's really relaxed in front
of the camera.

Sam Cremean (26:18):
Yeah, Chrissy's just having a laugh.
Yeah.
I think she's the most similaron and off camera, I would say.
And maybe Kate.
Yeah.

Minnie Cooper (26:28):
Kate.
Oh, yeah.
She's done reality TV before,didn't she do?

Sam Cremean (26:33):
Oh, Bondivet or

Minnie Cooper (26:34):
something.
Yeah, she was on Bondivet.

Sam Cremean (26:35):
But she is very different in her confessionals,
though.
She's very comfortable throwingshade in a confessional, but
they're not so comfortabledirectly to face, I think.

Minnie Cooper (26:48):
Yeah, that's true, actually.

Sam Cremean (26:49):
But they all are.

Minnie Cooper (26:52):
Yeah, that's so true, isn't it?
Actually, you know who's theonly one that I think is really
honest?
Confessually, the same asSally.

Sam Cremean (27:00):
Sally's consistent, for sure.

Minnie Cooper (27:02):
Yeah, she's consistent, but all the rest...
Terry maybe as well, actually,to be honest.
She'll say it to your face.

Sam Cremean (27:11):
Fuck yeah, she will.
With a knife in her hand.

Minnie Cooper (27:13):
I can't wait till we get to the tennis lunch.
That was my favourite part.
Oh, it's so good.

Sam Cremean (27:19):
Where are we?
Chrissy tells Caroline sheapologized to Kate and they've
moved on.
She's like, it's not as hard asyou think.
You just rip it off like aband-aid and they show us said
apology in a

Minnie Cooper (27:29):
flashback.
So nothing.
But you know what's weird?
I can't work out why they hateeach other.

Sam Cremean (27:34):
I've completely forgotten.
Was it like she made a commentwhen they first met?
She was being a bit judgy.
I think Chrissy puts her footin it, doesn't she?
Oh, the pat.
I

Minnie Cooper (27:48):
think Caroline and Kate had a fight because she
thought Kate was just puttingit on for the cameras.
Her mum was sick or somethingand she thought it was all an
act.
That's right, when they were onthat boat.
And it was all

Sam Cremean (28:04):
an act.
Which makes sense as to whyCaroline is so...
Activative.
Because I think she is...
There's...
family stuff involved and she'staken it to heart.

Minnie Cooper (28:16):
Yeah, that makes sense.
Because I don't think a lot ofCaroline stuff is justified.
Well, no,

Sam Cremean (28:21):
and I wish she would make sense because it's
like, She probably does, ifshe's just feeling upset about
that, I wish she'd just say thatinstead of just calling
everyone fat and ugly.
Like some of her lines, I'mlike, Caroline, girl, you're
just being a bitch now.
I

Minnie Cooper (28:38):
don't think she's very, to be honest, I don't
think she's very self-aware orvery emotionally, and she's not
emotionally bright.
Like she can't process heremotions properly.
She can't self-regulate.

Sam Cremean (28:49):
Yeah.
Totally.
But she's, and she thinks,cause she's working with some
like gay fashion designers thatwe're all going to be like, yes,
mama.
But it's like, no honey, weneed more from

Intro (29:00):
you.

Sam Cremean (29:03):
Yeah.
So Chrissy's like, it's reallyeasy.
You just apologize and move on.
And then this is when Carolinefirst goes, yeah, look, I don't
know.
What was her name?
Jill.
I know! Jess, I screeched.
And then for her to double downlater on.

Minnie Cooper (29:22):
And the funniest thing is about that, she
obviously hasn't watched TheReal Housewives of Melbourne.

Sam Cremean (29:27):
See, I think...
That's weird.
Even if you didn't, I think youknow who she is.
I think she absolutely knowswho she is.
And this is bad acting.
Really?
Do you think she knows?
I think so.
Because later on when she doesit, it looks really forced.
She's like, oh, Gillian,like...
And it's like the names arealmost there and it's, oh, it's
too much.

Minnie Cooper (29:46):
Yeah, because I was like, yeah, maybe.
Yeah, because you would thinkyou would watch Real Housewives
of Melbourne just because you'rein the franchise now.
You'd watch their season.
You'd think, wouldn't

Sam Cremean (29:57):
you?
Well, maybe she didn't actuallyknow who it was.
But I think since then someonehas told her and she's choosing
to not

Minnie Cooper (30:05):
remember.
But it's sort of heaven,though.
But it's so...
Jill.
I

Sam Cremean (30:10):
want Jackie to do, like, a TikTok about it or
something.
I need to see Jackie'sresponse.

Minnie Cooper (30:15):
I think she will, actually.
To

Sam Cremean (30:16):
Carol.
Oh, my God, they're all callingher Carol.

Minnie Cooper (30:19):
Oh, no.
Stop.
And Cherry Soros Rex.

Sam Cremean (30:25):
Amazing.

Minnie Cooper (30:26):
The gloves are

Sam Cremean (30:28):
coming off.
The leather glove is comingoff, darlings.
Meanwhile, Nicole and Victoriahave a dirty martini.
And they catch up on the NewZealand trip as well.
Victoria tells Nicole thatMartine walked out of a
margarita bar, if you haven't

Intro (30:47):
heard.
Really?
Was she upset?

Sam Cremean (30:52):
Oh, she walked out, did she?
And then also we talk about therenaissance of Kate.
So everyone's kind of back onboard with Kate, which I'm like,
this is good.
I like this for Kate.
She needs, she deserves this.

Minnie Cooper (31:06):
And we, you know, we do like to see our women on
the house sometimes bonding andhaving a good time.
We do enjoy it.

Sam Cremean (31:12):
God forbid.

Minnie Cooper (31:13):
Yeah.
Yeah.
We actually do.
As much as we love drama, welike them seeing them being
friends and kind to each other.
We do.
We like both.

Sam Cremean (31:22):
Nicole brings up that, Terry and Jackie are
mates.
So the healing was a setup andit just didn't feel right in my
gut, you know.
Okay, Nicole.
So it's evident that They justdidn't want to go.
So they should, I just wishthey would stand in their
fucking truth and be like, Ididn't want to go.

Minnie Cooper (31:43):
So speaking of, because I think she's being a
bit like, it is an excuse thather daughters had.
It's

Sam Cremean (31:49):
excuse overlap.
And then it's like, she forgetswhich one she went with almost.

Minnie Cooper (31:54):
Yeah.
It's sort of like, she probablydid go to a, she probably ended
up going doing things with thedaughters, but it wasn't, but
she could have gone to whateverit was.
The healing thing.
Yeah.
The healing thing.

Sam Cremean (32:07):
They talk about the upcoming tennis charity event.

Minnie Cooper (32:10):
But I think Nicole's avoidant.

Sam Cremean (32:13):
Oh, 100%.
She's very avoidant.
And then get this.
Did you clock this?
Victoria Montano, the...
Famous anti-woo girl thatfamously hates dick jokes makes
a ball joke.
She goes, oh, I'm good withballs.

Intro (32:29):
And

Sam Cremean (32:30):
I'm like, no, honey, you don't get to get your
own villa in Queenstown to hidefrom dick jokes to then the
next episode make a bloody dickjoke or a balls on the menu.
Okay.
Balls are okay.
Balls are okay.
As soon as you get to thatshaft, it's lowbrow.

Minnie Cooper (32:48):
That's so funny.
Then

Sam Cremean (32:51):
we get a hot second at the IVF clinic.
Kate and Terry.
Terry's very into, Terry'sbeing mumsy here.
She's being, you know, there'speople that are like, oh, you've
got to have kids.
Oh, why haven't you had kidsyet?
Have kids.
You've got to have kids.
She's doing that.
And it's kind of annoying.
Like, back off.

Minnie Cooper (33:10):
I did think in my head.
She goes, oh, my wounds, it'slike a dog's wound.
That's because you're a bitch.
That's what I thought.

Sam Cremean (33:19):
When she said, oh, there's my uterus.
Oh, it looks like a dog'suterus.
I was like, that's a That's asoundbite that you don't want on
the internet, but sure.

Minnie Cooper (33:29):
It was like throwing shade at yourself.
It was quite funny.

Sam Cremean (33:33):
She's good like that though.
And I mean, you know, vets,they've seen it all.
They're putting dogs down onthe bloody daily.
So if you can't make a jokeabout your own uterus.

Minnie Cooper (33:43):
What can you do?

Sam Cremean (33:43):
Exactly.
And good news, she's got plentyof eggs.
So that's exciting for Dr.
Kate.
Then we get the tennis event.
So the girls rock up.
It's the first time that Nicoleand Terry have been in the same
place.
Well, the same place wherethey've acknowledged each
other's existence becauseapparently there was Melbourne

(34:05):
Cup and Dubai Airport andwherever else the fuck they met
and ignored

Minnie Cooper (34:10):
each other.
They have not been on camerathis season together, have they?
No, but we've

Sam Cremean (34:15):
heard stories about them being at the same events.
Yes.
They've both ignored eachother.
And it's that thing where it'slike, Am I ignoring you or are
you ignoring me?
Ignoring me.
We've all got someone out therethat we do that to.
Do you know?
Loads.
Too many.
More than I'd care for.
But, you know, we've all done asneaky, oh, didn't see you

(34:37):
there.

Minnie Cooper (34:39):
But the thing is, when you sign up for reality
television, that's the game.
If you're going to sign up forreality television, come in and
have the conflict.

Sam Cremean (34:47):
Well, I think in Nicole's defence, and this is
all speculative, but Iunderstand that Terry signed on
late.
So Nicole could haveactually...
have thought that she wasn'tgoing to have to deal with Terry
because Terry wasn't going tobe on the season.
So I reckon that's why Nicolesigned up.
And then as soon as Terry wasintroduced later on, she was

(35:09):
like, fuck this.

Minnie Cooper (35:10):
Well, I thought it was a rule.
If a housewife didn't turn upto the reunion, their contract
was killed.

Sam Cremean (35:16):
Yeah, but that's probably a Bravo rule.
This is some fucking kangaroocourt down here.
No, no, no, no.
I don't give a shit.
Like, they literally calledJoel Creasy the day before and
they're like, hey, babes, we'redoing the reunion.
Like, it's, yeah.

Intro (35:37):
Yeah.

Minnie Cooper (35:38):
Do you reckon we'll get a reunion this season?
I don't think they've announcedas such yet, but sure.
Oh, yeah, well, I think we'llget a reunion.

Sam Cremean (35:44):
Yeah,

Minnie Cooper (35:44):
yeah.
Because it's not like, did theyhave a reunion for season one?
They

Sam Cremean (35:49):
did.
They did.
Oh, no, I'm having Alex Perryflashbacks, but maybe they
didn't.
because it didn't continue.
Yeah,

Minnie Cooper (35:58):
because it was really tumultuous, their season.
That was

Sam Cremean (36:02):
like...

Minnie Cooper (36:04):
I have to go back and watch it, actually.
Do you know what they'remissing?
Remember the kooky one fromseason one that was like, Oh,
she was like, well, bizarrefashion.
She was like.

Sam Cremean (36:14):
Athena X.
Yes.

Minnie Cooper (36:16):
We need someone like, it's all, we need a
personality like that.
There's

Sam Cremean (36:23):
no one kind of quirky.
They're all a bit like Dr.
Kate is the most quirky andthat's only compared to these
other women that are verystraight and narrow.
Like if they think that adoctor, dick and ball joke is
crossing the line.
Like, yeah, they're prettyconservatron.
Like, so we rock up.

(36:45):
The girls pile in.
Caroline in confessional prettymuch calls Kate fat.
She's like, oh, Kate and I arewearing the same skirt, you
know, different sizes.
Oh, no.
Diva.
Low blows.
Yeah.

Minnie Cooper (37:01):
Fat shaming.

Sam Cremean (37:03):
I think, yeah, I think Caroline's like kind of
radar on what the fans want tohear a little bit off.
I think she needs a gay to helpwrite some bits for
confessional.
Cause it's like, that's notlanding for me.
I don't think that's landingwell for anyone.
Like body shaming.
We left in the 2000s doll.

Minnie Cooper (37:22):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Slut shaming and body shaming.
No

Sam Cremean (37:26):
good.
You just, you got to move on.
And then Nicole says, jumpstraight in with an apology, but
only for not letting her knowabout not coming to the healing

Minnie Cooper (37:37):
session.
But you know, I love so much, Ireally sorted what I loved
about it, that she went straightup to her, apologised straight,
and then her and Victoria werelike, sorted, sorted.

Sam Cremean (37:54):
And then, Terry takes it.
Terry's like, look, it was ashit apology, but it's all I'm
going to get.
It's all she's capable ofgiving, she says.
And do you know what?
I've been that person.
I've had some shit apologiesfrom people, but that's all
you're going to get.
Bloody take it.
Move on.

Minnie Cooper (38:13):
Most people don't even apologise.

Sam Cremean (38:15):
Yeah, some people find it really difficult.
Yeah.
They hit the ball around for abit, which was...
Whatever.
And then finally sit down forsome cocktails and lunch.

Minnie Cooper (38:27):
I love a passive aggressive lunch.

Sam Cremean (38:31):
This was next level.

Minnie Cooper (38:37):
You know, it was great being away when someone
couldn't be manipulated.
It's like, I can't believeyou're

Intro (38:43):
saying that out loud.

Sam Cremean (38:44):
They couldn't help themselves.
Like straight away, the jabswere flying, the barbs in each
direction.
Kate's like, yeah, the energyis so different from New
Zealand.
And then Nicole says that she'sgot a wide range of friends.
She's very well-rounded.
She knows all kinds of people,which I'm like, oh, okay.
What are you trying to sayabout Terry then?

(39:06):
And it's, yeah, she's prettystuck up, our girl, Nicole.
Like, let's be real.

Minnie Cooper (39:12):
You know what I sort of love?
She sat there and she was, shewas being passive aggressive as
well, but she wasn't, She wasn'tgetting heated.
With Terry, you could tell shewas firing up.
But Nicole just sat there quitecalmly.

Sam Cremean (39:25):
She was calm, but she looked flustered.
She had not been lookingforward to this for a long time.
She'd built it up in her headas this thing she had to do.
Got a bloody film with Terry.
She knows Terry's such abulldog, so she's not going to
look great.

Minnie Cooper (39:40):
She was almost a bit like a mob's wife.
Do you know what I mean?
I'm going to go there, but I'mgoing to be calm.

Sam Cremean (39:48):
Tensions are high, to say the least.
Terry tells us Caroline is theone that needs to be on an
apology tour.
Starting with Kate, but alsoher for that text message.
And I loved that.
I was like, yeah, she should.

Minnie Cooper (40:04):
But I'd like to apologise to Nicole.
What was the apology to Nicolefor again?
Was it about the wellnessthing?
Sorry.
Sorry.
Oh, it was about the wellness.
Sorry, I didn't accept you notgoing to the wellness and
forcing you and making you haveto go.
I'm so sorry.

(40:24):
That's what it was about.
That was our apology.

Sam Cremean (40:27):
As long as it wasn't about text etiquette,
which is the next part of thediscussion.
So they're like texting eachother and not texting each
other.
Like, I just can't with these

Minnie Cooper (40:41):
women.
Well, I have to say I am on...
What's her name?
What's her name?
Terry's side with MissEtiquette didn't sending a text
because Nicole is not lockingup.
I'm not even sending a text.
Sorry, I can't make it.

Sam Cremean (40:56):
Yeah.
And then Nicole's like, oh,this is so awkward.
And they're like, but I don'thave a problem with you.
Oh, but I don't have a problemwith you.
And it's like, then what thefuck do you call this then?
What is, what is this?
A problem.
Then Terry reminds Nicole thatshe apologized earlier.
Did something come up?

(41:17):
Did it?
Oh yes, it did.
And then they, then they getinto the excuses.
So unfortunately, Nicole doesget tripped over here because
first she's like, I had a familything, which is what she said
about the reunion as well, Ibelieve.
So

Minnie Cooper (41:31):
it's

Sam Cremean (41:31):
kind of like, and Terry does, she's like, oh,
again, coincidence, verycoincidental.
And then I do like, The otherssort of try and help her about
it.
I think it's Kate even that'slike, babe, you don't need to
make excuses.
Like if you felt anxious, youfelt anxious, just say you
didn't want to be there becauseyou knew Terry was going to

(41:52):
railroad you and thing.
I would have had more cred forNicole if she said, I find you
really intimidating and that'swhy I didn't come.
And I think that would shutTerry up because how do you
argue with that?

Minnie Cooper (42:04):
Well, and it's the thing of saying when I found
out it was Jackie and I feltlike it was a set up and you're
friends, I think that's fair.
I actually think that's fair.
Joanne.
Jillian.
Josephine.

Sam Cremean (42:17):
Josephine Gillies.
Fuck me.
Oh my God.
Then we get this unhinged linefrom Victoria Montana.
I fucking love this bitch.
She's like, are you callingNicole a liar?
And then she's like, I've gotskin in the game.
Firm, bronzed, Greek, Italian,Arabic, Chinese, wrinkle-free

(42:45):
skin.
I was like, oh, honey, thatline was so insane.
It

Minnie Cooper (42:50):
was pretty heaven, actually.

Sam Cremean (42:51):
Heaven.
She's so good.

Minnie Cooper (42:54):
We can make a handbag out of this.

Intro (42:58):
Yes.

Sam Cremean (42:59):
Oh my God.
That'll be the next collection.
The Montano's own skin handbagcollection.
Wrinkle-free.
Then, oh my God.
Also, can we talk aboutNicole's pearl look in the
confessionals?
This, like, dress made out ofpearls.
I kind of can't, no?

Minnie Cooper (43:18):
I was living for that.
Yeah, I'd wear that.
Same.

Sam Cremean (43:21):
It

Minnie Cooper (43:22):
was quite fabulous.
I really like Nicole's style,actually.
She even has that sort of 1950ssort of house look.
Yeah, she's

Sam Cremean (43:28):
a classic, you know.
Yeah, she is.
She doesn't need a comeback.

Intro (43:32):
No, you're so right.

Sam Cremean (43:35):
Yeah.
She says that Terry's graspingat this point, which is, yeah, I
don't know.
Terry is kind of winning.
the fight, but by being, youknow, she's brought a
flamethrower to a knife fight.

Minnie Cooper (43:48):
And I think the reason why Nicole's not winning
is because she's not actuallybeing totally 100% transparent.

Sam Cremean (43:54):
Yeah.

Minnie Cooper (43:55):
She's being avoidant.
You never win when you'reavoidant.

Sam Cremean (43:57):
Exactly.
Terry says that Nicole turnsred when she's lying or nervous.
And you know what?
She looks like she's about toexplode.
I can't say I agree.
She didn't look that red.
I

Minnie Cooper (44:11):
reckon she was getting high.

Sam Cremean (44:13):
She was bothered, but I

Minnie Cooper (44:18):
don't know.
I don't know if I could havesat there like Nicole when she
was being manipulated.
And she just sort of sat there.
It was so calm.
I thought, I couldn't do

Sam Cremean (44:30):
that.
Because then she's like, whydidn't you come to New Zealand
then, Nicole?
And she goes, well, familycomes first.
Just ask

Minnie Cooper (44:40):
Martine.

Sam Cremean (44:41):
Exactly.
So it's like, yeah, then Katesteps in.
We'll, like, just say if you...
were uncomfortable and shefinally admits that yes she was
avoiding terry they're like wereyou avoiding terry she goes yes

Minnie Cooper (44:53):
yes i think that's fine to say that i think
it's fine but

Sam Cremean (44:56):
unfortunately she said it too late after she'd
already made up all these otherexcuses about family coming
first so i don't know i wouldhave preferred a honesty from
the start i think then shewouldn't have been tripped over
because terry's a shark in thewater and a drop of blood She's
in there.
Yeah,

Minnie Cooper (45:13):
you're so right.
It's so

Sam Cremean (45:15):
true.
And then, yeah, she's notlooking good.
Victoria is so firmly on TeamNicole, though.
So I kind of do like seeing thesides form.

Minnie Cooper (45:27):
Yeah, I didn't realise they were friends

Sam Cremean (45:29):
actually.
Well, neither.
I think Nicole just kind oflikes, sorry, Victoria kind of
likes a bit of drama and shekind of likes being
oppositional.
So she's jumping on.
She likes the underdog.
Like with Martine, and I knowthey're actually friends, so
it's different, but like Martineand her, like she kind of came
in to the rescue.
Yeah.

Minnie Cooper (45:49):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I love that Nicole threwVictoria under the bus, though.
Well, you ignored Victoria.
To Terry, I'm like, ooh.
It's sort of dogfighting whenyou do that, bringing up old
past stuff.

Sam Cremean (46:04):
Totally.
And the lunch ends with Terrytelling Nicole, the ball is in
your court, which was just...
Can we have a slow clap for thetennis-themed line?
Like,

Minnie Cooper (46:19):
doll.
And can I just say, I canpromise you, Nicole won't be
serving the ball back.

Sam Cremean (46:25):
Oh, she's taking the ball and exiting

Minnie Cooper (46:28):
stage five.
Bye.
All will be a

Sam Cremean (46:33):
souvenir.

Minnie Cooper (46:33):
I'd be interested to see if these two can get
past.
It'll be interesting to see.

Sam Cremean (46:37):
The promo for next week looks insane.
I'm so excited for next week.
I

Minnie Cooper (46:42):
can't remember.
Did I watch the promo?
I don't know if I

Sam Cremean (46:44):
watched it.
It's

Minnie Cooper (46:46):
kicking off.
Oh, no, they found out thestuff about Caroline.

Sam Cremean (46:49):
They're deep diving on Carol.

Minnie Cooper (46:52):
Yeah,

Sam Cremean (46:52):
Carol!

Minnie Cooper (46:54):
Whoops! Because I reckon, Kate, if you do
something to her, she'll go deepdiving and look for dirt.
She's the type.

Sam Cremean (47:01):
Yeah.
It's getting Salt Lake Citywith the private investigators.
Go the death dance.
I want you to go

Intro (47:09):
the death dance.
Receipts.

Sam Cremean (47:13):
Oh, then, wow.
If you thought that was good,then we get Terry and Caroline
in the Battle Royale matchup ofthe century.
Well, where is this bar?

Minnie Cooper (47:24):
It looked like it was at the top of Sydney Tower.

Sam Cremean (47:27):
Yeah.
Like Westfield Tower orwhatever.
Yeah, yeah.
I'm pretty sure it was the top.
Hilarious.
Is that like a revolvingrestaurant?

Minnie Cooper (47:34):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it is.
That's where I think they were.
It looked like that's wherethey were.
Fucking

Sam Cremean (47:39):
incredible.

Minnie Cooper (47:40):
And I just loved how they turned up looking like
that, like her in that outfit,Cherry in that outfit.
It must have been one o'clockin the afternoon.

Sam Cremean (47:48):
I want to recreate it.
Next time I'm in Sydney, I'mgoing to go to that cursed
restaurant and I'm going to weara leather one-glove look.

Minnie Cooper (47:57):
And what I sort of loved about it, that you
could tell Terry had no ideawhat happened.
Because, you know, when you'rein a fight like that, you don't
actually remember what you say.
No.
Because you just go, you justsee red.
And they saw red.
It was sort of heroin.
Yeah.
Terry! What did she call

Sam Cremean (48:17):
her?
Terry...
Terry...
Terry...
Terry...
Terry...
I don't know.
So good.
This is the first time they'veconfronted everything after the
healing session and theinfamous...
Birds of a Feather text.
Terry looks absolutelystunning.
So does Caroline.
I like both these looks.
Caroline, was it sort ofyellow, strappy thing?

(48:37):
I

Minnie Cooper (48:39):
always, yeah, I think I can't really remember,
to be honest.
I can only remember Terry'sbecause it was so extreme with
the glove.
I thought it was a lot for oneo'clock in the afternoon.

Sam Cremean (48:48):
I want a drag queen to do that look, the Terry
look, and do like, I don't know,a theme song.
Terry?
it's so awkward at the startthey just sort of like sip their
champagne and just kind ofeyeball each other and it's like
come on get into it

Minnie Cooper (49:07):
it's funny to watch two grown people not being
able to talk through a problemcalmly i find that so
interesting

Sam Cremean (49:15):
well they're on the back foot i think caroline
struggles with i don't know likeI don't know how to

Minnie Cooper (49:24):
say this.
I don't think she's emotionallyself-aware.
Do you know what I mean?
She only cares about herfeelings, but she can't sit in
Terry's perspective.
And I think Terry's the same.

Sam Cremean (49:37):
I think that's probably what it is.

Minnie Cooper (49:39):
Yeah.
And she's not good at

Sam Cremean (49:40):
articulating.
No.
Yeah, it comes out wrong.

Minnie Cooper (49:44):
Yeah, she's not very smart.
She's not very

Sam Cremean (49:47):
smart.
Yeah, because she says somestuff that just...
rubs people the wrong way andthen she kind of just acts like,
oh, whatever, you have to dealwith that.
Like the Jillian, Joopy,whatever

Minnie Cooper (49:59):
her name was, thing.
Even when she was fighting withKate and then she saw Kate and
went up and pretended likenothing was wrong and giving her
a cuddle.
Yeah.
It's a little bit fake, to be

Sam Cremean (50:08):
honest.

Minnie Cooper (50:09):
That's the way I fight, to be honest.
That's the way I find it.
What did she say in the text?
She goes, it was a set-up.
And what was the other thingCaroline wrote in the text to
Terry?
It's all in text, so we don'tknow.

Sam Cremean (50:25):
Birds of a feather.
Something like that.
She's questioning the integrityof Gillian and Terry's
relationship and their wholehealing session, which I'm like,
babe, you're on a show.
You're doing this as a bit.
Like, just do the bit.
How can you?
You just want to slap her.
Like, fuck me.
And then she calls it a seance.
She's like, how is your littleseance?

(50:45):
Like, you're so obviouslytrying to.
piss people off with this.
Also, the fans of this universelove Jackie Gillies.
You are not winning any of usover.
Oh, I know.
Pretending you don't know it.
Like, you've literally justlost half of the fucking fans of
this show in this one episode.
Yeah, I agree.
Jokes aside, we're all justkind of like, Caroline sucks

(51:07):
because she's not team JackieGillies.
And we're all like,

Minnie Cooper (51:09):
woo, Jackie!

Sam Cremean (51:11):
Shine, shine, shine! So, you fucked it up with
that one.
Um...
What's her gay's name again?
She's got a gay.
He needs to help.
Chris.
Chris needs to help her out.
Come on, Chris.
Where are you?
He's not present this seasoneither.
He should have been there inthe background feeding her
lines.

Minnie Cooper (51:31):
I cannot wait to find out what happens, what Kate
has found out about Caroline.
Because I think this is goingto change something in the whole
narrative of Caroline.

Sam Cremean (51:41):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Because I'm rooting forCaroline.
Like, I loved her last season.
I thought she was camp as fuck.
I was ready for her to, like,be the drag queen of the show.
And she's, like, leaning intothe fashion stuff this season,
which is good.
But not with this.

Minnie Cooper (51:57):
Something's off and I can't put my finger on it,
to be

Sam Cremean (52:01):
honest.
Exactly.
Well, maybe she's, yeah,casting spells on the ladies.
No!

Minnie Cooper (52:08):
Well, she does look a bit like a witch.
Was it her that said Witches ofEastwick?
Oh, no, that was Beverly Hills,wasn't it?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's so funny because I watchedboth episodes today, so I'm
cross-pollinating.

Sam Cremean (52:22):
Oh, I haven't watched the Beverly Hills
reunion yet.
I'm excited too.

Minnie Cooper (52:27):
Do you love Bo?

Sam Cremean (52:29):
Bob, love.
Love.
She's so good.

Minnie Cooper (52:33):
She's like no one I've ever seen as a housewife.
For that to

Sam Cremean (52:38):
be her first season, like to jump in and just
be...

Minnie Cooper (52:41):
Oh, she's so smart and just on human
behavior.
There were lives told though.
So good.
I wasn't angry.
It was strong.
Yeah, I am strong.
It's like, woo!

Intro (52:52):
Yes!

Sam Cremean (52:54):
Oh, I love that.
Yeah, I am strong.
Caroline...
says that terry looks likeshe's gonna go birth a cow in
that look and i'm like okay andnow it just descends into this
name calling and like child likeschoolyard fight

Minnie Cooper (53:10):
and not even funny

Sam Cremean (53:12):
no

Minnie Cooper (53:12):
not funny not

Sam Cremean (53:13):
clever not shady just stupid and like you and
jillian are making up storiesand blah blah i'm just like
what's your problem like Yes,the whole thing was contrived of
the seance.
Now I'm calling it a seance.
I mean, there was a littlereading.
Maria, Terry's grandma, didappear briefly.

Minnie Cooper (53:32):
Oh, yes, yes.
Well, this is the whole thing.
If we were to look at thatargument as two grown adults
trying to solve a problem, myperspective was I thought you
and Jackie were really goodfriends and it looked like a
setup.
And Terry could have said, oh,we're not really good, but I can
see why you thought that.
Because both things, do youknow what I mean?
It's possible that it lookedlike to them it was a setup

(53:55):
because everyone thought theywere friends.
Well, they looked like theywere friends to me when I first
saw them on the

Sam Cremean (54:03):
show.
Oh, totally.
But then if you go low withTerry Viviano, she will meet you
there, honey.

Minnie Cooper (54:09):
Oh, she goes low and she'll go low.

Sam Cremean (54:12):
Don't you think?
She's like...
How does it feel, Carol?
Yeah,

Minnie Cooper (54:17):
I know, which was so heaven.
It was so heaven.
How do you like that?
Yeah, I don't know.
Pterodactyl.
Well, that was it.
It was so heaven.
That was actually, I think, thehighlight of the whole show.
Oh, I

Sam Cremean (54:29):
did like that.
And then pterosaurus rex orpterodactyl or whatever.
And then it's like we need tocall a timeout on this shit
because the earrings are comingoff.
There's bloody fisticuffshappening.
It's getting...

Minnie Cooper (54:43):
I really wish she threw a drink in her face.
Would they do that on a show?

Sam Cremean (54:51):
It was almost there.
Wouldn't that have beendelicious?

Minnie Cooper (54:54):
Yeah, totally.
That's what we wanted.
That's what we needed.

Sam Cremean (54:59):
Yeah, next time, rock up with some better lines
and throw a drink and thenyou're back in diva status.
And then what does Carolinesay?
She's like, well, how does gofuck yourself sound?

Minnie Cooper (55:17):
Pretty heavy.

Sam Cremean (55:17):
And at this point I'm like, if I knew what you're
upset about, I would be like,yes, honey.
But I just, I'm very confused,Minnie.
I don't know what's going on.

Minnie Cooper (55:27):
I don't think they know what's going on
either.
I'm trying to put myself intheir shoes.
Do you think they get so workedup before they film that
they're already so red beforethey've even

Sam Cremean (55:38):
started talking?

Minnie Cooper (55:39):
Do you think they're worked up before they've
even talked?

Sam Cremean (55:42):
Potentially.

Minnie Cooper (55:43):
Because you can only ever have an adult
conversation if you come incalmly.

Sam Cremean (55:49):
Yeah, well, there was none of that

Minnie Cooper (55:50):
to be seen.
No.
And do we really want that?
No.
No, we're happy.

Sam Cremean (55:56):
What do you hope and predict for the rest of the
season?

Minnie Cooper (56:00):
What do I hope and predict for the rest of the
season?
I hope there's some reallygreat dirt on Caroline.

Sam Cremean (56:06):
Beyond her being a witch.

Minnie Cooper (56:08):
Yes.
Because something is off there.
Like something's off there.
And if Kate finds out and it'sgood dirt, I'll love that.
And I hope that Nicole andTerry can be friends.

Sam Cremean (56:22):
Me too, but look, I think you might be asking for
quite a lot there, but

Minnie Cooper (56:27):
we'll see.
It's possible.
I think it's possible forNicole.
Maybe not.
But I know I'm the type ofperson, if I'm done with
someone, I'm done.

Sam Cremean (56:38):
Yeah, and I'm getting the sense that Nicole
has checked out and she's kindof made the decision.
Yeah, when you made thatdecision, we're not friends
anymore.
Yeah.
Yeah.
you commit to it.
And then it's just aboutwhether, like how it's going to
end, I think is the question.

Minnie Cooper (56:58):
How many, how many more episodes do you think
we've got left?

Sam Cremean (57:00):
I believe there's two more.
This was eight.
So I think there's a nine and a10.
And then I think there will bea reunion as well.

Minnie Cooper (57:09):
And what's your hopes for the finale?

Sam Cremean (57:12):
Like, it's just, I'm honestly, I've been loving
this season.
It's so good.
There's been great drama.
Yeah.
interesting episodes, funlines, quotable stuff.
So I'm really enjoying it.
I just hope it stays how it'sbeen and maybe ramps up a bit at
the end.
But like you said, I also wantto see them move on.

(57:32):
I hope that at the end of thisseason, they actually put all of
this stuff to bed because noneof it is that...
Bad.
And I just want them to come upwith some new things to fight
about.

Minnie Cooper (57:45):
I would really love to know how Salt Lake City
has just got it so on the money.
I don't know what it is aboutthat, but every episode of that
show...
Flawless.
It's like a cinematicexperience.

Sam Cremean (58:01):
It is.
And the way that there was nota filler episode that last
season.
I think

Minnie Cooper (58:06):
there was.
I don't think there

Sam Cremean (58:08):
is really.
Every single one was 10 out of10.

Minnie Cooper (58:12):
Yeah, but I think software has always been like
that for me.
There's something that alwayshappens in it, like always.
It was when Jenny got takenaway by the cops, all that
stuff.
But you can't write that stuff.
Jennifer

Sam Cremean (58:27):
Shah.
She's doing well in prison.
She's on her best behavior.
She'll be out soon, doll.

Minnie Cooper (58:32):
Do you reckon she'll be out?
Do you reckon she'll have herback on?

Sam Cremean (58:35):
Absolutely, they will.
They've done it before.
They'll do it again.
Oh, yeah, Teresa did.
Yeah, they love it.
It's such a great storyline.
Yes.
She'll be back.

Minnie Cooper (58:46):
Yes.
I wish they'd show the girlswith Randy.

Sam Cremean (58:56):
The deleted tapes of Morocco.
Oh, yeah.
Girl, I want that more thananything.

Minnie Cooper (59:02):
It's not going to happen, though, is it?
No.
No.
All right.
Thanks for having me today.

Sam Cremean (59:07):
Thank you, Mini.
I've had so much fun with youas always.
What have you got coming up?
Any shows or anything you wantto plug on your

Minnie Cooper (59:15):
way out?
No, nothing really.
Nothing major that I can thinkof.
Nothing that I want to share.

Sam Cremean (59:21):
Are you doing anything over Easter?

Minnie Cooper (59:26):
I'm actually catching up because I did a
musical many years ago, Hot SheShuffled.
I went to the UK.
I'm catching up with someone Ihaven't seen for 30 years.
So that's quite nice.
Is that fabulous?
Oh,

Sam Cremean (59:38):
wow.
That's fabulous.

Minnie Cooper (59:41):
Yeah, I think so too.

Sam Cremean (59:43):
Well, enjoy that.
And I will see you soon.

Minnie Cooper (59:47):
Up your bum, no babies.
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