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March 20, 2025 76 mins

This week's guest is Jenova Chen, creator of Journey, Sky: Children of the Light and other games. A BAFTA winner, he has strong opinions about morality in games and the value of positivity. We discuss the unique way he starts games, GDC's value and being the opposite of GTA - this week!

  1. [00:00:00] Music as the Highest Resolution Emotional Medium
    Jenova Chen explains why he believes music is the most powerful emotional communication tool, comparing it to pixel art and poetry.
  2. [00:08:00] The Journey of thatgamecompany & Raising $160M
    Jenova shares how Thatgamecompany evolved from a student project to a studio that raised $160 million in venture capital.
  3. [00:14:00] Growing Up in Shanghai & Discovering Gaming
    Jenova reflects on his childhood in China, his parents' skepticism of video games, and how he discovered his passion for interactive media.
  4. [00:28:00] Pitching a Game at USC & The Origins of thatgamecompany
    Jenova recalls how he pitched a student game to secure funding, which eventually led to the founding of thatgamecompany.
  5. [00:32:00] Creating Games as Art & The Success of Cloud
    The unexpected viral success of Cloud and how it convinced Jenova that video games could be a respected artistic medium.
  6. [00:41:00] How Jenova Chen Designs Games: Starting with Emotion
    Jenova describes his creative process, starting with imagery and music to establish the emotional tone before designing mechanics.
  7. [00:51:00] Comedy & Romance in Games: A Missed Opportunity
    Jenova discusses how certain film genres—like romantic comedies—are underrepresented in gaming and how they could become successful.
  8. [00:58:00] Designing the Emotional Journey in Journey
    How Journey’s climactic moment was carefully crafted by contrasting moments of struggle with a powerful sense of freedom.

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