March 22, 2025 • 55 mins
Christine and Sarah kick off another engaging episode of 'The Mental Funny Bone,' discussing their mission to de-stigmatize mental health conversations and find humor in daily challenges. This week's focus includes Sarah's heartfelt stories of listener feedback and Christine's whimsical yet frantic recollections of her trip to Prague. From navigating medieval streets to surviving without a functioning hairdryer, Christine's travel antics provide plenty of laughs. They also reflect on the difficulties of balancing mental wellness with a demanding work life, setting the stage for insightful discussions on stress management and navigating others' opinions. The episode rounds off with hilarious tangents on fried fish, the intricacies of the Pope's health, and the faithful love of pets. Don't miss out on a mix of laughter, vulnerability, and practical tips for maintaining your mental wellness.
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Sarah (00:03):
Welcome to The Mental Funny Bone, a podcast where we
strive to create a safe andentertaining space where
listeners can explore mentalhealth topics, find solace, and
enjoy laughter.
This podcast aims tode-stigmatize mental health
discussions and empowerindividuals to approach their
own wellbeing with humor andopenness.
I'm Sarah.
Chris (00:25):
I'm Christine, and neither of us is a mental health
professional.
However, we speak routinely withmental health professionals
because that's what grownups dowhen they have problems they
need to deal with.
So I suggest everybody do that.
I like that.
It's also a bit judgy.
Sarah (00:44):
Um, maybe I should tone it down on the intro a little
bit.
Chris (00:49):
I don't know.
Uh, we're gonna let it ride.
People can complain if theywant.
They know how to get ahold ofus.
Yeah.
Sarah (00:56):
Gastro girls@gmail.com.
gmail.com.
We'll take your co complaints.
Tell me the intro is.
Chris (01:00):
Yeah, we'll, we'll take your complaints.
Um, I will, I, I will start usoff with a, with a little bit of
feedback and, uh, fan mail that,that we've gotten the past
couple of weeks.
So I was in Philadelphia, uh, acouple weeks ago with some work
colleagues and.
Every, every, uh, kind of timewe, we get together, they're,
(01:23):
they're always asking about thepodcast.
Um, and they're very supportive.
And it is often something thatgets mentioned when we're, when
we're talking to our colleagues.
So I really appreciate thatabout, about my colleagues, that
they bring up the podcast and,and let me talk about it with
strangers.
So I, I did get to talk to acouple people about it, and it
was.
(01:43):
Eye-opening, the way that youcan make a connection with
somebody by being vulnerable.
So he and I were having a, aconversation about sort of
mental health and how we canhave a comedy podcast about it.
And he's like, this fits alongwith, you know, kind of my
stuff.
I'm in recovery and I've beengoing through that process and I
(02:04):
was like, well.
Kind of very similar.
He's like, it's similar in thatI'm gonna tell you that and I'm
gonna be vulnerable.
You're gonna tell me somethingand you're gonna be vulnerable.
And then we're gonna understandeach other as people.
And when we have to do, uh, workstuff together, we're gonna be
able to, to do that better.
Amen.
And more effectively.
(02:25):
Amen.
And I was like, this is, this isawesome.
Thank you.
So this is the point of it,right?
I'm like, this is exactly whywe, why we do what we do.
So whether or not these peopleare listening, I have no idea.
As we're leaving the dinner, uh,that we were attending, the one
girl goes, oh, I know yourpodcast.
My husband listens to it.
He's a neurologist.
(02:46):
I was like, wait, what?
I'm like, I do you our punk, themental funny bone?
She's like, yes, love.
You know who I am, right?
I was like, are you, um, I, I'mnot a Kelsey brother or
anything, so I'm not.
Sure.
She's like, oh no, he loves it.
I was like, right on.
Right on.
Sarah (03:05):
I would like to hear from this neurologist.
Chris (03:07):
Right?
So if you're listening and, andyour wife had dinner in, uh,
king of Prussia at any pointYeah.
Could you just, uh, let me knowthat that's true because I have
clung to it.
Guest girls like the tiniest bitof positive feedback for the
past two weeks.
That
Sarah (03:24):
actually makes me feel like famous.
Chris (03:26):
Right?
I was like, wait, what?
And I looked over at everyoneand I was like, I wish you could
see the face I'm making.
'cause it was one of those, youknow, like, oh, who's, who's
important now?
Faces?
Sarah (03:37):
Mm-hmm.
Anna.
Uh, yeah.
Chris (03:38):
They appreciate that too.
I'm sure my work friends reallylike that.
Also, I went to, I went to eatfish.
Uh,'cause it's lint.
I don't know if you guys know,
Sarah (03:49):
I love the fried variety of fish.
Chris (03:53):
I think the Pope has also come out, uh, and, and explained
that eating fish on Fridaysdoesn't count as a sacrifice if
you really like fried fish.
So this destroys all of my hopesof, of getting into heaven.
'cause I was kind of banking onthe, not eating the meat on
Fridays as like the.
As the thing I did,
Sarah (04:15):
I, um, we don't do that.
We don't have to do that.
And
Chris (04:19):
Oh, with
Sarah (04:20):
your, uh, maybe, maybe roller,
Chris (04:22):
snake charmer religion.
Sarah (04:23):
Yeah.
Um, but when I started going toNoah's church and changing over
to this church, I was like, ha,ha ha.
Hey fuckers, I'm going out andgetting double the meat on
Fridays.
Eat it bitch.
Chris (04:38):
Which I don't, I don't think is what Jesus intended
either.
I don't know.
I don't know where he came upwith it.
No, he me like the worst
Sarah (04:44):
Christian ever.
Well, no, but I mean, makes me apretty shitty Christian.
And then I learned we don't eatmeat on Good Friday.
And I was like, what?
Chris (04:53):
Why?
Sarah (04:54):
This is, wow.
I thought we were
Chris (04:56):
cooler than that.
Right, right.
So the Pope has come out andsaid, you know, it's not, it's
not just to let you eat friedfish on Friday.
It's for sacrifice, guys.
Come on.
Uh, and, uh, I don't know.
Is the Pope sick?
Is he better?
Sarah (05:13):
Yeah.
I was just gonna ask if, if thepope, when you said that Pope
came out, I thought you weregonna tell me he came out of the
hospital because.
Chris (05:20):
Is he in the hospital?
Becca?
Sarah (05:21):
Yeah.
Becca.
Yeah, he was.
He was in the hospital.
He had double ear infection.
Nope.
Double lung infection.
Chris (05:29):
What is he?
A toddler?
He's not
Sarah (05:30):
a toddler.
He had to stay home frompreschool.
He couldn't bless the masses.
Yeah, he was sick.
I don't know if he's better yet.
Yes.
No, I can't read that.
Becca.
Becca, unmute yourself and justtalk.
Unmute yourself, make yourselfknown.
Chris (05:47):
CNN says, Pope Francis is
improving and is no longer inquote, immediate danger quote.
Oh,
I guess that's good.
All right.
I mean, I'm happy for the Pope,but I'm also a hundred percent
fascinated by picking a new popelike it is.
It is one of the, one of thelike old and medieval traditions
(06:11):
that is just hanging in thereand I love to watch it.
I'm like, lock him in a room,and then somebody catches on
fire and then there's smoke.
I was gonna say, doesn't
Sarah (06:19):
smoke come from somewhere.
It reminds me of like when thepriest would come down the aisle
when we had to go to church atSt.
Michael's.
Mm-hmm.
With the smoking thing.
Yeah.
Right, right.
Incense,
Chris (06:31):
I think is what you're,
Sarah (06:32):
whatever.
It smelled good.
I liked it.
It's kind of like one of thosesmells that a lot of people
don't like, and I was like, Ooh,
Chris (06:38):
that's nice.
It's nice.
I like that.
I like that.
Right.
Anyway, filled long and glorioustradition and yeah, I love it.
I love watching this spectacleof it.
Yeah.
But you know, nice, nice to knowthat that poor old guy is, is
doing better.
Yeah.
And he'll be able to save soulsand, and tell me that eating
fried fish isn't gonna get meinto heaven.
Awesome.
Um,
Sarah (06:57):
yeah.
Chris (06:58):
Anyway, so speaking,
Sarah (06:59):
what's his name?
The Francis.
Francis Pope Francis.
Okay.
Um, shout out to Pope Francis.
'cause you know he probablylistens.
Chris (07:07):
I'm sure he does.
He's a neurologist.
Sarah (07:10):
One of the nurses there makes him listen to it.
Shh.
Pope Francis
Chris (07:16):
just, is he in a regular hospital?
Is there like a special badhospital?
No, there's a Pope, PopeHospital.
Pope.
Obviously it's a Pope Hospital.
Come on.
Okay.
He has a Pope Mobile.
He can't just go to normalhospital.
Sarah (07:28):
Do they carry him or is that was like the Egyptians?
Chris (07:33):
I, I don't know what they do, but I am, do you know what
I'm imaging like him in a
Sarah (07:36):
glass box and they're carrying
Chris (07:40):
Yes.
Yes.
We have gone as soon as you saidit
Sarah (07:43):
so far off the fucking rails.
I can't,
Chris (07:45):
we're gonna have, I, I believe what we said is we are
gonna have a short targetedepisode this week.
One.
That one that makes sense.
Sarah (07:53):
This is making my day so much better though.
I can't even stand it.
Okay, here's, here's where we
Chris (07:57):
are.
We're talking about a Pope box.
Sit off your Pope Box.
The Pope box.
So what I'm picturing is theyhave him in that litter, I think
is what it's called, andthey're, there's like six
cardinals who are like in therunning to take his job and they
like carry him to the hospital.
That's what the VaticanHospital, the special one.
One room Pope Hospital.
(08:19):
Pope spit,
Sarah (08:21):
Pope spit.
He had special nurses.
What is, okay?
All right.
Okay.
That's, move on.
That, that's it.
We're done.
Okay.
We're done.
We're
Chris (08:27):
done.
We're done.
Speaking of religion and themiddle Ages, I was in, uh, I was
in Prague.
Wait, you didn't
Sarah (08:35):
finish your story about fish?
Fish soup, no fish sandwiches.
Chris (08:40):
No, that was it.
That was the pope has has comedown that, that this isn't gonna
save my soul.
And if I'm not willing tosacrifice, I shouldn't even
bother.
But I thought
Sarah (08:48):
there was a story of someone talking to you about our
podcast as you were eating afish sandwich.
Chris (08:53):
Nope.
You made that up in your head.
I had moved on from theneurologist to the Pope.
I can't remember how.
When did you talk to Christie?
Oh, oh, okay.
Yes.
No, Christie wasn't talking.
I'm back.
I'm back.
Okay.
Welcome to the party.
Thank you.
I haven't had a lot of sleeplately.
So Christie and I sit down,well, I sit down and then David
(09:13):
sits down.
Then Christie and uh, Danny, uh,B walk in and uh, she sits down,
uh, at the table next to us andI'm like, Hey.
And this happens a lot'causeit's a small town.
There's not that many places togo and there aren't that many of
us.
I run into people all the timeand, uh, Christie's like, I love
your podcast.
You and your sister are so goodand your personalities shine
(09:34):
through, and I, I am gettingbetter at saying thank you.
I appreciate that, that youlisten, it's fun for us to do it
rather than being like, oh,
Sarah (09:44):
excited do that again.
Oh my God, please do that again.
Chris (09:50):
Right?
Like and excited.
Seal it is an like, excited sealis what it's right.
Like my flippers are going, I'mbouncing up and down.
I'm sorry.
Sorry.
Thank you.
Right idiot.
So instead of doing that, I'mlike, oh, thanks.
We have a good time.
We're we, you know, we're happythat you listen.
And then, you know, she, we talkabout mundane things and she's
(10:13):
like, and I was really surprisedto hear that about Olivia.
And I was like, oh.
And then I, and then I get alittle bit tongue tied, right?
I'm like, oh, yeah.
Um, just like, just like all ofthese things, like it's easier
for you to understand if Oliviahas a broken leg, but these
things happen in a space thatyou can't necessarily see.
And it, you know, happy that,that we could talk about it.
(10:35):
And it turns out that, uh,Christie has close relatives who
are also going through some,some similar issues.
So it was nice to be able to, inthe, in my, in my own community,
uh, feel good and comfortable.
Talking about Olivia and talkingabout other people who are
facing some of these challengesand being able to, to talk about
(10:56):
how like we should be able totalk about this all the time.
Like if Olivia had been bornwithout a nose, that would be
noticeable.
I mean, it's just what I thoughtof.
I'm reading a lot of, I get it.
It's fine.
It's fine.
Like, yeah.
And, and, you know, we wouldn'tnecessarily spend the entire
conversation talking about, uh,these sort of physical
limitations.
Just like we don't need to spendthe entire conversation talking
(11:17):
about the, the mental ones.
But it is nice to acknowledgethat, that people are
struggling.
So that was, that was good.
That was a nice thing.
I like it.
Sarah (11:25):
Awesome.
Um, I like stories like that.
I like the neurologist.
I like it all.
I like the pope.
I like it all.
May I share one?
Okay.
Now I have three little thingsto share.
Chris (11:36):
Like three little birds.
Three little birds.
My doorstep.
We're
Sarah (11:40):
already gonna talk about birds, actually.
One of them is about birds.
Number one.
Went to our alma materyesterday, Elizabeth, forward
high school for the first timesince, uh, 1996.
I think it looks, uh, it looksvery similar.
It looks very similar.
Went there for AmericanFoundation.
(12:00):
Suicide.
Suicide Prevention.
Prevention, A FSP, and I wentwith our friend Jackie and Ed
from March 4th.
Yay.
And we went together because Iwas anxious about going through
the, the shit's underconstruction.
I was scared on where to go.
So they're wonderful and let meride with them Anyway, so it, it
(12:20):
was, it was a nice day.
It was nice to spend time withthem.
And I just wanted to mention itbecause, uh, Jackie, after a FSP
spoke, Jackie got up to say herthing and she gets really
nervous about it and kind ofanxious.
And, uh, I think this was thefourth one that she's done.
And she did, they did say thatthe first time they really
talked about it was on ourpodcast.
So I thought that was, I thankthem for that.
(12:42):
I thought that was pretty cool.
Anyway.
She kicked fucking ass like,
yay.
She had to do
it twice.
And both times she did anamazing job.
And, um, Tanner is, is reallypushing her to do things out of
her comfort zone and she's just.
(13:02):
Kicking, kicking ass.
So, and the kids were veryappreciative to her and Ed for
coming to talk.
And it was, it was nice.
I, I got to spend some time withthem.
So thank you Jackie and Ed forletting me tag along and, uh, do
that and shout out to Larissa.
'cause I got to say hi to her.
'cause she's an an amazingteacher.
Chris (13:23):
She's a teacher there.
Yeah.
At the high school.
I didn't know that school.
Sarah (13:26):
Oh yeah, I talked to her.
I was like, God bless you.
'cause I'd never be able to dothis.
I was about to go up in thosebleachers and tear that one
girl's hair out, tell her toshut the fuck up.
Chris (13:35):
Right.
I would have trouble, like,there's nothing more frightening
to me than a group of teenagers.
Like
Sarah (13:41):
Yeah.
And that's what Jackie wassaying, like, and this is the
biggest crowd and it's ninththrough 12th grade.
There's just no,
Chris (13:48):
there's like, if I'm like wandering around, uh, a foreign
country, let's say, and there'sa, and there's a group of
teenagers, I am automaticallylike, well, here's how I get
killed.
Please don't talk to me.
Like I would rather walk downTotally makes sense, a dark
alley at three o'clock in themorning and take my chances
versus walking past a group ofteenagers just after school's
(14:09):
let out.
Sarah (14:10):
Yeah, I totally makes sense.
Totally.
All right, so that was my, thatwas one.
Now we'll go to two.
Shout out to my sister-in-law,Sam.
She informed me that when Ispoke about Chicago, I did not
share all the good stories, soI'm not gonna do it now'cause we
have a lot of other shit that weneed to talk about.
But Sam, I promise I've writtenmyself a note.
I'm gonna make Becca writeherself a note that we need more
(14:32):
Chicago stories and I'll try topepper some in.
So.
Just be on the lookout for that.
Lastly, nice weather is finallyupon us.
Yay.
We are finally getting a break.
Amen.
From the shitty weather andsomething has happened to macho
and it's very entertaining.
I mean, kind of entertaining.
(14:52):
It gets kind of annoying now,but the birds have come back, so
macho is so confused.
We go outside and you could hearall the birds and he's like.
Looking everywhere.
So now he makes it his missionwhen going outside to say hi to
all the birds.
So he looks up into the treeslike every one of them makes
noise.
He has to.
Make eye contact.
(15:13):
Then he tries to chase the onesthat are on the ground and
hopping.
So he tries to hop macho.
We don't have a fenced inbackyard.
Macho is on a retractable leash,and he's been on that leash for
almost two years now, and hedoesn't remember that.
He's on that leash and he goesfull out, man.
He sees a bird and he goes,yeah, charging.
(15:36):
And then he learns really quick.
He's on a leash, and then hedoes it again, like he
repeatedly does it while we'reoutside.
So I just wanted to mention thegood weather, and I wanted to
mention Machos obsession withbirds, and I should also mention
that I took Machos doorbell outalready, so we won't have that
interruption.
Chris (15:52):
I'm disappointed.
Yeah.
I look forward to every episodeknowing when macho needs to go
pee.
Sarah (15:58):
And for the gastro story, I was gonna talk about fish
sticks, but I feel like we can,we can move on.
Let's, let's move on.
I wanna hear about your week orhowever many days in Prague.
Just for everybody's knowledge.
I had Covid last week.
It sucked.
My sister was gallivantingaround doing awesome shit while
I was at home dying.
It did not suck.
(16:19):
So.
I wanna hear about Prague andthen you're, you're gonna lead
the whole thing.
You're gonna lead us to the nexttwo chapters of Let Them, um, so
give us, give us a scoop onPrague.
Chris (16:29):
So I will, I will tell you guys that, uh, business
travel generally means that I amsleeping in a courtyard by
Marriott generally.
A place like King of Prussia,which is nice, but not super
scenic.
There's a nice mall there.
Or I am someplace in New Jersey,or you know, maybe on occasion
(16:49):
we'll go to, we'll go to Texas,but, um.
I had the chance to go to, to goto a conference, a, a data
management conference in Pragueand Wow.
Like, what up nerds?
Uh, how's it going?
So we we're last minute.
We're trying to decide flights,we're trying to figure out who's
(17:09):
gonna go, and it turns out Ihave to be in Philadelphia.
So I'm gonna, I'm gonna meet upwith my, uh, with my work buddy,
Nicole.
And, uh, and we're gonna fly offand, and go to Prague.
Um.
Overnight flight, uh, like coolass, uh, kind of thing.
Then we ended up, we were inParis for our layover, and it,
it, it got kind of ruined alittle bit.
(17:31):
Our trip there, and this willtell you how spoiled I am.
And how privileged I am and howI don't really understand the
gift of being able to takeinternational trips and not pay
for them outta my own pocket.
I couldn't get into the loungein Charles Tagal airport because
I didn't have the right kind ofticket.
(17:53):
So I am used to this,
Sarah (17:57):
this you this ruined it.
This ruined it.
Chris (18:01):
I am used to being able to sit comfortably in the
lounge.
And, and have, uh, someone comeand take my plate away for me
when I'm done snacking, I amused to being able to walk up to
the little bar in the lounge andbeing like, yes, do you have a,
do you have champagne?
I'll, I'll have a mimosa,please.
And, and having that happen, andnow I, I can't even get into the
(18:23):
lounge.
'cause the French lady was like,oh, uh, we are going to be very
busy today.
I cannot even, oh, I like your
Sarah (18:29):
accent.
Well done.
Well
Chris (18:31):
done.
Right.
I took French in high school.
Well done.
But that was exactly how it was.
She looked, she had a very, shehad a very smart haircut.
She looked very French, veryfashionable, even though she's
wearing a uniform.
So now I'm left to wanderaimlessly through the terminal
like so many other tourists.
Um, but all kidding aside, eventhe was awesome.
(18:53):
I am challenged by the thingsthat normally challenge, uh,
travelers.
I couldn't figure out how to drymy hair because the plugs are
different and it's not just the.
Plug.
It's not just the plug, it's theelectricity that goes into the
plug.
Sarah (19:07):
I don't know, does it have something to do with a
metric system?
Like why, what?
I don't get it.
Like why are things weird?
Why are things different?
Everything we do is fuckingdifferent.
Our temperatures different.
Our numbers are different.
Everything's fucking different.
I don't, right.
It's crazy.
Who knows how long thatkilometers is?
Let him fucking know.
Chris (19:27):
We fought hard for that.
Right.
I'll point out there's a greatSaturday Night Live skit that I
could point to everyone to byNate Zi, where he talks about
our intrinsic right as Americansto measure things in a way that
makes no sense.
Yeah, sure.
Yeah, totally.
Sorry, go ahead.
Great.
Except for the hairdryer in thehotel room that they provide for
(19:48):
you.
It was like somebody was blowingon my hair gently and softly.
Like Right.
Like that.
Right.
And you had to hold the buttondown to keep it going.
'cause apparently in Europethey're way more concerned about
not having a planet to live on.
Once we destroy the ozone layer,it seems not tracks these guys.
Sarah (20:12):
Yeah.
These fucking guys.
Chris (20:13):
But there's a, it's a lot of work to do and I'm meeting
the, I'm meeting some colleaguesand it turns out, no matter what
language we're all speaking, Iam the loudest.
And if there is an opportunityto have a microphone in one
hand, I will, I will take thatopportunity, even though it
isn't my conference.
This isn't like I have my ownAmerica, uh, data management
(20:36):
conference.
But no, I have to invade thesepoor Europeans and takeover.
Um.
So if you, if you ever wantedmeet a quiet group of people, it
is, uh, data managers fromaround the world.
I was like, Hey guys, what arewe doing?
Like for whatever reason we hadto do a group activity in one of
the sessions, a group activityof all things.
(20:58):
The fucking
Sarah (20:58):
worst.
They're the worst.
They're the fucking worst,almost.
They're right behind theicebreakers.
Chris (21:05):
I almost got up and left.
We did both in this particularsession.
Yeah.
But yeah, it's
Sarah (21:09):
a fucking, I can't stand it.
Chris (21:11):
This will surprise you.
I was late, so I missed theicebreaker.
Sarah (21:14):
Mm.
I think, I mean, maybe my nextconference, if, if I ever get it
to go anywhere and get invitedanywhere again in my life, I
think I might do that.
Just show up late.
It cause me to have a supercrazy panic attack.
Chris (21:27):
It's a great, it was a great, um, table needs a
spokesperson.
I'm like, alright, do you guyswant, uh, who wants to talk?
And they were like, they madethat noise.
And I was like, okay, I'll talk.
Um.
So it's, it has to be a gasterthing.
That was fun.
But like, the part of theexercise was how, how we were
doing it, the pretend clinicaltrial was taking place in West
(21:48):
Virginia and how there's a,there's a high level of obesity.
So the fact that these, theweights for these people was
higher than expected was justsort of written off by the fact
that everyone here is fat.
Hmm.
I was like, I don't wanna bepicky.
We'd be picky.
'cause it's not my conference,not my country, but FYI, there
(22:10):
are skinny people in WestVirginia, so
Sarah (22:12):
Yeah,
Chris (22:14):
that was like, are people who
Sarah (22:14):
do lots of, nevermind.
Stop.
Stop.
That's in every state.
That's in every state.
Chris (22:22):
And the, the thing about international travel is the time
difference means that you areawake way early in the US
morning and you're available andaccessible to people who need to
ask you questions way, way lateat night.
So I had trouble regulating thatand ended up accidentally
staying up all night two nightsin a row, which for someone in
(22:44):
my advanced age never works outgreat.
Like I haven't advanced age.
I'm 51.
I like it.
51?
Yeah.
Are you 51?
Yeah.
Yeah, I'll be 52 this year.
Okay.
Okay.
And then, uh, because things areso busy, there's opportunities
for everyone to go sightseeing,and I had to, I had to press my
(23:04):
sightseeing time in Prague, uh,to six hours.
That was it.
That was the only, that was theonly sighting time we had, but
it was an amazing six hours.
I saw ancient cathedrals.
I blasphemed a good deal whilebeing inside of the church.
Sarah (23:20):
Okay.
I didn't know, I didn't knowwhat that word was, but I
figured it out.
Chris (23:24):
Yeah.
I said, uh, I said a lot of badthings, um, while I was You're
your father's
Sarah (23:29):
daughter
Chris (23:31):
there.
What can I say?
I mean, we're walking, walkingaround Cathedral, a cathedral, a
cathedral, medieval cathedralthat these guys had made, which
is, um, oddly enough next doorto the basilica that they had
already made, uh, which is alsonext door to the church, uh,
that they had already made, andthe chapel that they had already
(23:51):
made.
Time out.
What, what's the differencebetween all of these buildings?
Uh, uh, chapels are little,churches are a little bit
bigger.
Uh, basilicas are, are slightlybi from what I can tell.
I mean, I'm just basing it onthis one experience, but it's
just about size.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's, it's about money.
I think there's also money and Ithink that the cathedral might
(24:13):
have more, uh, dead saints in itor something.
I'm not.
Quite sure.
Are they all the
Sarah (24:18):
same?
Like are they all St.
Chris (24:20):
Michael's congregation or were they different
congregations?
As far as I can tell.
I don't know this, the, the, um,and, and it's all the signs are
all in check, which I don'tspeak.
Okay.
Sarah (24:35):
Meanwhile, I just see check marks.
Chris (24:36):
Right.
It's like that, there's like a Cwith an accent on it.
I was like, I don't.
Yeah.
Why are the Z's all togetherwith the s's?
It seems like they make enoughof the same sound.
They're like,
Sarah (24:47):
Billy Madison doing cursive.
Right?
Chris (24:51):
There was like a, a d with a hat on it.
I'm like, I don't, not sure.
But it was, it was all, it wasall fascinating.
And it turns out in thisparticular cathedral, they are
taking up a collection, uh, tobuy a new organ.
Okay.
And then I looked at the placewhere the organ was and the
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organ.
The organ is two stories and isbigger than my house, like the,
the organ, the amount of stainedglass and gold and marble in
this cathedral.
Um.
I'm thinking could have gone along way to maybe making sure
some peasants didn't die in themiddle Ages.
Yeah.
Yeah.
(25:31):
I mean.
I don't know.
I don't know.
It was great though.
'cause there's so many Game ofThrones.
Its beautiful quotes and I hadhad no sleep, so I was extra
funny.
There's a, uh, there's asculpture, a beautiful sculpture
of, uh, Pope, I think it's Popeykind of guy.
And he's sitting down and, uh,there's a, there's a guy like
sitting behind him, so it lookslike they're sledding.
(25:54):
Like it looks like they're, Iwas like, what?
Is this And I took pictures ofthings'cause I'm like, I'm gonna
look that up when I get backhome and figure out what that
was.
No, I haven't even looked at thepictures except for the Pope on
a sled.
I looked at Pope on a sled acouple times,
Sarah (26:08):
Pope on a sled.
I love that you sent us somepictures and it was absolutely
gorgeous.
I was very jealous.
It is.
Chris (26:14):
And we are, we're inside, inside Prague in this castle and
I think maybe the mayor of ofPrague.
Lives in the, in the castlethere were, uh, I mean there was
a change.
Prague is a country, right?
No.
Prague is a city.
Prague is a city p in, in theCzech Republic.
Right.
Sarah (26:31):
Ah, that makes sense now.
Okay.
Czech Republic is the country.
Country, right?
Prague is just a city.
It's not a state.
No, not everybody has states.
Not
everybody has states and Canadahas the
providence provides Providences.
I can't with you.
Hey, that Facebook thing came upfor me.
(26:52):
Again, that was defining the UKGreat Britain and everything,
right?
And I just looked at the littlesections and there's a bunch of
repeating shit in each sectionand it pisses me the fuck off.
So I just kept scrolling.
Go ahead.
Chris (27:04):
I mean, I had the opportunity to ask the question
several times.
I was like, so can you justbreak it down for me, like how
the soccer teams get promotedand why you don't just have
states like.
I don't, is it four country?
There's four countries is a onecountry.
You can't have a country in acountry.
It doesn't make any sense.
Exactly.
Sarah (27:24):
This is what I'm saying.
I believe that you laughed at methe first time I said this.
This is ridiculous.
You can't say there's thesethree, this is a country, but
then say, oh, but the uk What?
I don't take your weirdelectrical outlets.
You're nonsensical UK ness.
Right?
Chris (27:41):
Take your big fat plug in it.
You know where you can put yourmetric
Sarah (27:46):
system right.
Shove your Celsius up your ass.
Chris (27:50):
They said, that's the thing that doesn't make sense.
They're like, what's the wordfor a thousand pounds?
I was like, half a ton.
A thousand.
They're like, I was like a ki apound.
Who?
Who cares?
Anyway, so that was like that.
That was my advice.
I was kidding.
I
Sarah (28:06):
apologize to any of our UK friends'cause I know that
you're out there.
I know you're listening.
I mean, I apologize.
You guys are much better than weare.
I
Chris (28:13):
mean, it's fine.
This, this gives us stuff totalk about, um, differences in
opinion and such.
Um, you could also Uber, uh, in,in the Czech Republic, so we, we
get to the Czech Republic, we'vebeen awake for like, I don't
know, 39 hours or something.
And, uh.
I'm like, we could get an Uber.
'cause I'm looking at the Uberapp on my phone and it says, all
(28:35):
right, go outside and pick upthe Uber.
You're gonna show this code, uh,just hop in the first vehicle in
line and show the guy the code.
I'm like, all right.
So we ask the person at theinformation desk who I would
assume is the person that hasthe information about what to
do, and uh, I show her the Uberapp and she's like, oh yes,
(28:56):
that's upstairs.
Go out upstairs on level two.
Okay, so we go out and what itis is just, there's a bunch of
cars kind of just hanging outthere, and I'm like, do you
think we just get in a car,Nicole?
And, uh, and Nicole's like, Idon't, I don't think that sounds
right.
And, uh, luckily we didn't dothat because, uh, this is where
the people wait to pick uprelatives.
(29:18):
I
Sarah (29:19):
really
Chris (29:19):
wish
Sarah (29:19):
that you would've done that so badly.
So badly.
I wish this story would be somuch.
I mean, this is great, but Imean, it would be so much better
if you would've got in astranger's car in a street,
showed show him a code, andshowed him a code and spoke
English.
Chris (29:35):
Hi.
Hi.
We need to go to the hotel showcode.
Do you know how to get to theClarion Hotel?
It's the Clarion.
Sarah (29:43):
They can understand you if you say it louder,
Chris (29:46):
loud, and slow.
Right.
Um, so no, that is not, that isnot where you do that.
So luckily we went inside andfound the, we found the Uber
line before we popped in the carwith somebody's grandma.
And here's what I was gonna do.
I was just gonna go around andput my shit in the trunk and
then pop in the backseat.
Can you imagine sitting at theairport waiting for somebody and
(30:10):
then some dumb bitch just popsout and she's like, Hey, put my
shit in your trunk.
Let's go.
Here's my code.
What up, bro?
There were a lot of near misseslike that.
Um, oh, I love that.
And every, it was very humblingtoo, because everybody speaks
English and I don't speak Czech,so I was like, I'm sorry, do
you, do you speak English?
(30:31):
And she's like, yes, of course Ispeak English.
And I was like, it's not ascommon to speak two languages
where I come from.
So I would appreciate a littleless disdain in your Yes answer.
Well,
if you could.
Well, I, I mean, man who'strying to help me find a plug to
plug in my curling iron.
So you found the
Sarah (30:51):
Uber?
Chris (30:52):
Yeah.
Found the Uber.
Yeah.
It was all, it was.
It was all Go be Ubered.
We Ubered everywhere.
Prague is now my favorite citybecause it is so.
Beautifully medieval and thestreets are tiny and there's
cobblestones everywhere andeveryone is friendly ish.
I'm pretty sure they're scammingme out of some kind of money.
Like every time I went to paywith my credit card, he is like,
(31:13):
do you wanna pay in dollars or,or check checks?
I was like, I'll just write youa check.
It's hilarious.
Hilarious.
Um, yeah, it was, it wasbeautiful and I wish that I
would've had a lot more time tospend there and I was sad when I
had to come home.
(31:34):
Once we're famous, we'll go overthere and record.
That would be awesome.
We go to the bridge.
There was a bridge that wasfamous for some
Sarah (31:41):
reason.
We can record from the bridge.
We can record from the basilica,which sounds like the snake in
Harry Potter.
We can record from the chapelbas the cathedral.
Chris (31:53):
Right?
We could record from any of anynumber of churches, all of
underneath, all of'em.
Sarah (31:57):
We'll be super blessed.
Chris (31:59):
Any amount of stained glass, right?
Yes.
Also, it turns out that I am soAmerican that even before I
talk, you know, I'm American.
Yeah.
I don't know how, but apparentlyI just radiate Uncle Sam's under
Pitt.
Like armpits.
Like that is the feeling I giveoff.
(32:19):
Wonder why?
I don't know.
It's something to do with myaggressive walking.
I don't, I don't know.
Sarah (32:26):
Yeah.
It's weird.
I don't, Hmm.
Chris (32:28):
The fact that it looked like somebody blew on my hair
like this for two days, they'relike, oh, bad hair.
Gotta be American.
Can't figure out how to plugshit in.
Better laptop.
Chelsea doesn't know how to do
Sarah (32:38):
anything here.
Chris (32:39):
Right, right.
Anyway, so that was it.
That was, that was a good time.
I really enjoyed myself.
I didn't realize how far away itwas.
'cause you had to like, takelike nine flights, like to get
back.
I went from Prague to, uh,Paris, to Boston, to home.
Sarah (32:54):
Oh, that sounds terrible.
Chris (32:55):
It was a, it was a lot.
It was a lot of flying.
But I did get the opportunity,which I have never had before
and I will never have again.
Uh, I got to make a pillow forton the airplane.
I had all four middle seats tomyself and all four pillows.
And all four blankets.
'cause they still give you thosethings on an international
flight.
So I laid down and died for agood three hours of the trip.
(33:22):
So good, good stuff all around.
I can't wait to go back.
Thank you Prague, and thank youguys for listening to me gammer
on about, uh, about things.
Um, I love it.
My final word is that if you getthe chance to go do touristy
things with a group of peopleand none of you knows the
history or has done any researchor can read any of the signs,
(33:42):
it's best to have somebody withyou that will just make some
stuff up.
So, yeah, I'm gonna give Jumbo alittle bit of a shout out here.
Sarah (33:49):
I was just gonna say, daddy would be the best if we
could just put'em in yourpocket, take him with you,
right.
Chris (33:55):
Wow.
Right, right.
Because we were, we were in along hallway at one point, and I
was like, what do you think theyused this for?
And the girl who was with us,who was a quiet girl just pops
off with like this longexplanation of mm-hmm.
Why you would have a longhallway.
And I was like, wow, Jess, didyou research this?
And she was like, oh no, I madethat up.
(34:15):
Yeah.
Straight faced.
Straight faced.
Yeah.
I was like, this is the best,this
Sarah (34:19):
is.
I feel like you had to do it afew times.
'cause I feel like it's a familytalent that we have and somehow
people believe us.
Like yesterday we had a boostersmeeting and the one girl said,
you know, they make banners,it's down in Crafton.
And I was like, craft andbanners.
And the other girl was like, oh,okay.
And was writing down craft andbanners, don't write that down,
(34:40):
that's not it.
And she was like, wait, are youfucking with me?
And I was like, yeah.
I don't know what the fuck thename that place is.
But I mean, craft and bannersmade sense.
Chris (34:48):
No, but yeah, I mean, I, I got to do it a couple, couple
times.
We walked into a room, I'm sureyou did.
And there were, uh, there werelike family crests or, or stuff
on the, on the ceiling.
And I'm like, oh no, this is thefamily tree of the mare Yeah.
Of Prague.
The, the ruler of this castle.
Everyone got to write their nameon the ceiling.
See,
(35:08):
but they didn't,
I don't know what I, to this day.
Yeah,
Sarah (35:12):
no idea.
But I'm sure that you made upsome good shit while you were
over there.
Chris (35:15):
Delightful, delayed.
I highly recommend Daddywould've been proud.
It's often more interesting thanwhat actually happened.
Like why are the, and I alsopoorly translating those signs,
like when we were in France,there was a sign for the
Frontier Police.
I was like, no, it'simmigration.
This is immigration.
It's the frontier police.
(35:36):
That sounds right.
Yeah.
I was like, oh, here we are.
I need to show this man mypassport.
And he looked at me and he saidto passports.
Sarah (35:44):
I sport
Chris (35:46):
and I said, oh, here it is.
Hi.
Maybe that's how everybody knowsI'm American,'cause I'm just
smiling all the time.
Hi.
And he was
Sarah (35:52):
like, wow, you a dumb American,
Chris (35:54):
stupid.
Welcome to Prague
Sarah (35:58):
idiot.
When I travel to Canada, I'mconstantly saying, sorry, I'm
just dumb American.
Chris (36:03):
I don't mean to be aggressive and take over an
entire conversation.
I don't know why or how ithappens.
Alright, let's, uh, let's talkbooks.
Let's talk books.
Sarah (36:11):
Yeah.
I'm super excited to talk aboutthis book'cause I'm definitely
intrigued by your thoughts.
Chris (36:17):
Yeah, I, I am, I shared a little bit, uh, before, um, that
I don't like this book.
Yeah.
I don't know why I don't likethe book.
Like, I like everything aboutit.
I like the ideas.
I, I think that she's spot onwhen she's talking about how to,
(36:37):
how to manage and regulate youremotions as you, as you go
through a world that isn'tnecessarily centered on your
happiness, which I think is sortof the crux of, of this, is that
nobody, nobody around you owesyou, uh, a good time.
Nobody around you owes you aparticular feeling or a
particular anything.
Nobody owes you an invite toGirls weekend.
(37:00):
And people are going to do whatthey are going to do.
And that's kind of like the letthem piece of it, right.
Uh, to recap from a couple weeksago.
And the let me piece of that isthese are things I can control
and I can do to impact whathappens to me in the future.
So both of those things totogether are good and I like
those thoughts and I think thatthey're accurate, but I don't
(37:22):
know why I have trouble reading.
Oh, I didn't mute.
I thought I muted reading this book.
Fuck, I'm sorry.
I swear
Sarah (37:38):
I mute.
Chris (37:39):
Hilarious.
Sarah (37:42):
No, afraid I'm gonna,
Chris (37:45):
oh no, there's no way we're cutting that out.
No way.
All right.
So let, let them, let me.
That was a really sloppy one.
It sounded amazing.
It sounded amazing.
So I do think that, that MelRobbins is good.
I do think she's insightful.
I don't know why I can't getpast her writing.
I, I dunno, I think those twothings can exist.
(38:09):
Simultaneously though I think Ican not like the writing and
appreciate the ideas.
Sarah (38:14):
You'll
Chris (38:14):
just be
Sarah (38:14):
irritated as you read it.
Right?
Like it just be hard to read.
Chris (38:17):
Like,
Sarah (38:18):
I'm angry right now because, and this is what I
wanted to get to.
'cause you were very like, eh,it's not really my cup.
Like you were No, like I, therewas feeling, there was a lot of
feeling behind your.
Discussed with this book.
Chris (38:33):
Yeah.
I don't, and maybe, maybe itcomes back to what we talked
about in the beginning.
Like, bitch takes these ideasthat are like almost obvious at
this point to me.
Uh, writes'em down in a book andthen sells them to, and becomes
a
Sarah (38:45):
bazillionaire and
Chris (38:45):
sells'em to housewives because they're unhappy with the
fact that they couldn't get intothe lounge in France.
Sarah (38:53):
Yeah.
You have feelings?
Yep.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah,
Chris (38:56):
that's, I think that might be, that might be part of
it.
I'll pick it apart later.
But I mean, suffice it to saythat this is a struggle for me
to read.
Um.
I liked chapter three, likestress less, control your
reactions, not the world.
I think she says at one point,and right now, also
professionally I am, I am goingthrough a period of time where I
(39:18):
am working harder probably thanI have since CODI am under a lot
of pressure to do thingssuccessfully with not a lot of,
of tools, resources, orunderstanding of the assignment.
So I am, I am stressed and.
It is, it is a challenge for meto try and control that without
sort of doing what I do when I'mnormally stress, which is just
(39:41):
to double down, uh, work more,pay less attention to things
that I should and just kind ofbarrel through whatever it is
that's challenging.
So I think that's like the exactopposite of what you should be
doing, right.
It turns out okay.
Yeah, it turns out I should be.
Um, and it, it, it has like,that is a lot of the reason that
(40:01):
I ended up staying up all nightbecause there was just, uh, I'm
like, I'm just gonna do one morething.
I'm just gonna do one morething.
And, uh, you know, looking at,uh, looking at chapter three and
chapter four, I'm probably a bitirritated with them, uh, because
they are telling me what Ishould be doing and what I'm
doing is the exact opposite ofthem.
So I'm probably a bit annoyed.
(40:21):
With someone telling mesomething obvious that I simply
refuse to do that you're justignoring for whatever reason.
Sarah (40:27):
Yeah.
I feel like that might be yourproblem with it.
Like it might Yeah, this allmakes sense and I bet it works,
but uh, I'm not gonna do it.
Chris (40:34):
Right.
Right.
I'm like, I completelyunderstand, control my
reactions, not the, not theworld.
And I, I will say that I amgetting, uh, I am getting better
at looking at things that, thatare happening and understanding.
That these are things that arehappening and not everything
that is happening is a directresult of my effort.
(40:57):
So, like two years ago,Christine would have looked at
the situation and been like,well, if things are like this
because I did something wrong,so in order to make up for it,
I'm just gonna, I'm keep on, I'mgonna kill myself working to
make it, to make it better.
And now I'm, I'm much morelikely to be like, well, um.
This, this is, this is aterrible pickle we've gotten
(41:18):
ourselves into and how can we,how can we get out of it?
And
Sarah (41:22):
I'm still gonna work as hard.
Chris (41:24):
Yeah.
Well, I'm, I'm gonna work ashard.
I'm still gonna
Sarah (41:26):
overwork myself, but at least I'm not gonna blame
myself.
Right.
Steps, baby steps.
Right.
Baby steps.
Chris (41:33):
I want to make it easier for everybody else, right?
Like, I want everybody else tocome into a situation where they
can be, be successful.
That is like the, the doublingdown now isn't because I have to
make up for my inadequacies, mydoubling down now is because I,
I.
Want everyone to be happy.
So different.
'cause
Sarah (41:52):
you're people pleasing, right?
So different.
No, I feel like this is tradingyour pack of smokes for your
puffer.
Right.
Um, we're we're vaping now.
Cool.
Yeah, exactly.
'cause I feel like this isexactly what just happened.
Chris (42:06):
And we all, we, we are also having this discussion
around, uh, around the behavior,which is something that we
would've never had before.
'cause a, I wouldn't have talkedabout it.
I, I would've been like, I'm soashamed of what I have done and
how bad I am at everything thatI can't even, that I can't even
talk about.
I'll just work until I diebecause, you know, I deserve it.
(42:28):
Um, where now I'm like, whywe're, why we're.
The, the other thing I reallyliked about chapter three, which
will, uh, resonate with anyonewho's listened to this podcast
for more than one episode isthe, uh, power of pause.
Um, do you remember when shetalks about this, like the
ability to kind of take that,take that beat and be like, uh,
(42:52):
yep.
You know, I have to, I have totake a minute and protect my own
energy and figure.
How do I, how do I maintain mypeace of mind by consciously
choosing, um, not to react tothings that are, that are
bothering me?
Like, how do I choose to say,all right?
(43:12):
Yeah.
That's, that's irritating.
Um, like couple examples, uh, Ithink from my own life are yeah,
things.
People are asking me questionstoday and I'm like, Ugh, why,
why are you asking me thisquestion?
And.
Being able to take a beat and belike, uh, they're asking you
that question.
'cause they need to know theanswer, right.
(43:33):
Like Right.
Just give them the answer.
I agree with this because I
Sarah (43:35):
do it all the time.
Like as soon as my little teamsthing comes up, I'm like, oh,
what the fuck do they want?
And it's like, yeah, they wantyou to do your
Chris (43:42):
job, asshole.
Right.
They need your help withsomething.
And, uh, they're not, they'renot annoying you.
So let them ask their questionsand mm-hmm.
You know, let me figure out howI can best help them quickly and
efficiently, so.
Right, right.
I.
Positive steps, positive steps.
So chapter three all makessense.
(44:02):
Um, you know, I don't reallyhave a whole lot more to talk
about out outside of that.
I'm looking through
Sarah (44:07):
it now.
Chris (44:07):
I think that co that pretty much covers it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then chapter four, opinions.
Right?
So again, we're, we're dancingback into fear of other people's
opinions.
Right.
And how that, you know.
How that can hold you back andhow, uh, people waste time and
energy attempting to, you know,get other people to think a
(44:29):
specific way about them.
Like, and it is exactly the, thefirst rule of mastery, right?
Our, our buddy.
Yeah.
Ricky, ve uh, Michael ve dammit.
Whatever.
Um, mighty.
This chapter is essentially thatchapter put into a blender and,
and spit out by a fluffy pinkbunny.
Sarah (44:50):
Oh, a
Chris (44:50):
fluffy pink bunny.
Right.
Freedom through accept.
There's a lot of, there's a lotof like, catchphrases like
freedom through acceptance.
Sarah (44:58):
Yeah.
It looks like I didn't really,um, I didn't.
Highlight so much in thischapter.
And I say it looks like,'causeI'm looking through my book
because I shared this earlier.
I read this two weeks ago, so Iobviously don't remember a
fucking thing I read.
So I'm looking at my highlightedshit and in chapter four, I
really only have two thingshighlighted, which is very odd.
(45:18):
And I'm assuming that I did thatbecause it's all shit that we've
really dug into before.
Um, and more into the, to thefopo shit of things.
Chris (45:28):
Right, right.
Again, it, it.
Like, let let other people havetheir opinions.
Like let them, let me, like, letother people have their opinions
about you.
Um, you're not going to.
You're not necessarily going todo a whole lot to change
somebody else's opinion aboutyou because they rarely even
(45:49):
think about you.
So if you are, uh, constantlyout here trying to get people
to, to think a certain way aboutyou, um, your best, your best
bet at getting people to.
Think the way that you want themto think about you is living
your life.
So then there's, there's the letyeah, the let me piece of it is
I'm gonna do the things that I'mgoing to do in the way that I
(46:12):
think is the most effective andadvantageous, and.
You know, the, the, the peoplewho are, who are my tribe, the
people who think like me, andthe people who can appreciate,
you know, the way that I am,are, are going to appreciate it
and the people who are annoyedby it are gonna be annoyed by it
and not a whole lot of me.
(46:35):
Uh, putting a lot of effort intobeing something completely
different than, than what I am.
As long as that is a good personwho, you know, is kind and
thinks about others and does allthe things that, um, living your
purpose.
Yeah.
That, that align with my valuesof that.
Mm-hmm.
Maybe those aren't everyone'svalues, but I, I do like to be a
good person and as long as I'mdoing that, then, you know,
(46:58):
sometimes I'm gonna rub peoplethe wrong way.
Yeah,
perfectly fine.
What I wrote here is that we arecollectively guiding ourselves
towards personal empowerment,and I think that's the, the
personal empowerment piece issort of like the catchphrase,
right?
Like empower.
You have to empower yourself.
But that is, that is essentiallywhat we've been talking about.
(47:22):
You're taking the control
Sarah (47:23):
back, you're giving yourself the power
Chris (47:25):
That is essentially what we've been talking about from
the beginning, like the subtle.
Giving a fuck isn't about notcaring about what people are
thinking about you, it's aboutunderstanding that it doesn't
matter, right?
Like, it's not that I don'tcare.
It's not that I don't give afuck.
It's just that there are thingsthat just don't matter.
(47:47):
They can't matter becausethey're pretend.
The the opinion delusion, Ithink is what, is what our girl
Mel calls it.
Oh, I didn't highlight that.
That's
Sarah (47:58):
amazing.
Chris (47:59):
Wasting time and energy attempting to influence others'
thoughts about them.
Like, like really, reallyputting a lot of effort into
something like working like anasshole because you want people
in your group to think thatyou're the best at what you do.
Hmm, I'm fine.
I'm fine.
I am
Sarah (48:15):
learning lessons.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think that you should start reading this book from the
beginning again.
I can't.
I can't.
I think until you can startemploying some of this, you're
just gonna have to keeprereading this particular book,
these particular chapters.
Why is it gotta be a punishment?
I don't know.
I feel like, oh, speaking ofpunishment, this is why, because
(48:37):
I'm watching the Ruby, FrankieHulu special.
That's why Is
Chris (48:40):
she the Mormon?
Is she the Mormon?
Sarah (48:42):
Yeah, she's the, where I was, I made, I was making Owen
watch it with me.
I was like, Hey, why don't yousit down with me and see what
real terrible parenting is?
Right, right.
You'll be thanking me over andover again.
Chris (48:55):
Um, my, one of my favorite podcasts is going over
Lori Vallow and Chad debell.
Oh, wow.
Also crazy as Mormons.
Right.
Wow.
That,
Sarah (49:03):
that's on a different level, man.
On a different level, but yeah,totally fucked.
Yeah.
That's a bad parent.
Yeah.
And uh, Ruby, Frankie, it'sactually her family that's being
interviewed like her eldestdaughter and son and her
husband, her ex-husband.
I'm assuming if he's not herex-husband, he's, he's an idiot.
A complete, uh, a complete MorinMorin.
(49:25):
Yes, that too.
Anyway, sorry, I didn't mean tohijack, but yes.
That's your punishment.
I have to go back and read thisuntil I can employ these things
in my life.
Got it.
And I will also be taking yourbedroom away from you, and you
will be sleeping on a smallbeanbag for seven months.
Chris (49:41):
Seems fair.
Sarah (49:42):
Yes.
Thanks, Ruby.
Chris (49:44):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Like
Sarah (49:46):
I can't, I can't even listen to that, to that stuff.
Like, and that's, I think that,I mean, I haven't even gotten
into the bad stuff yet.
Like that was, that's.
It gets so much worse.
Yeah.
So much worse.
It's fucking awful.
And there's a special place forpeople who do this shit to
children.
Chris (50:03):
So on the, anyway, on the upside, she had lots of
followers.
Sarah (50:06):
Oh my gosh.
She was very popular.
I mean, the, like he, in thefirst episode, they're talking
about how much money, and theywere making like a hundred grand
a month.
I mean, if you're, if you're,and that probably wasn't even
the top.
Like, that's like, he was getlike, he was like, yeah, we went
from a thousand a month to50,000 a month to a hundred
grand a month.
Chris (50:26):
I mean, if you're willing to sacrifice your whole family
then,
Sarah (50:29):
and that's, I mean, that's essentially what
happened.
And that's, I don't, I mean,it's much as I'd love to win the
lottery, I don't feel that it'sreally worth it.
Chris (50:37):
You, you still have to live your life in line with
your, with your values.
Sarah (50:42):
Yeah.
Her values were fucked.
Chris (50:43):
Right.
Very scary.
Um, anyway, so sorry I had to,so really, yeah, I, I mean, I
can see a lot of parallels in,in this book with all of the
other stuff that we've learnedand a lot of the tools that we
have at our disposal for helpingme understand how to, how to get
these things into, into my life.
The good thing is that I haven'tdescended to a point where I'm
(51:07):
completely burned and cryingevery day before I recognize
that this might potentially be aproblem and I need to fix it as
SAP.
Sarah (51:15):
Well, that's good.
And I mean, I think you know thewhole thing, admitting you have
the problem is the first step.
So baby steps, like I said, babysteps.
Baby steps baby.
I can't wait for us to finishrecording.
And you go back to work?
Yeah.
Well, oh.
Yeah.
Well here's the, I think Ihighly advise that when we, when
we hit the stop button that youleave your office,
Chris (51:37):
I'm going out to dinner.
Good.
Because there are other peoplein my life that were like, Hey,
haven't seen you in four weeks.
If you could just maybe come upfor air.
Yeah.
So here I am.
Yeah.
So that's
Sarah (51:48):
good.
Chris (51:48):
Yeah.
Sarah (51:49):
Yes.
So the next, the next section isactually called Fearing Other
People's Opinions.
Oh, really?
Chapter five is Let Them ThinkBad Thoughts about You.
And Chapter six is How to LoveDifficult People.
So I feel like chapter five willbe able to get through.
I mean, that'll probably be alot of repeated shit.
(52:09):
Again, I originally was gonnasay maybe we need to switch up
books, but then I read the titleof chapter six and I'm kind of
interested in in that one.
So I would like to continue on,what is it?
It's How to Love DifficultPeople.
Chris (52:23):
So I mean, I'm kind of
Sarah (52:24):
interested in it.
Chris (52:26):
Is it because Becca's difficult?
Sarah (52:28):
Mm-hmm.
Right.
Chris (52:30):
No.
Sarah (52:31):
No.
I mean it's just that there's,everybody has some difficult
people in their lives.
Mm-hmm.
And I'm not even talking aboutlike.
I don't know the people I'minterested in reading it.
If it Yeah, if it's I will, Iwill keep reading it.
Yeah.
If it's, if after that we'reseeing that it's just too, too
much of the same shit, I thinkthat maybe we should discuss
(52:53):
moving on
Chris (52:54):
cutting date, as I will still say.
Sarah (52:56):
But um, if we're getting too much replication, it's gonna
get kind of boring foreverybody, so Right.
Nobody, maybe we'll move on.
Chris (53:05):
Nobody wants to hear the same stuff.
And I, I, the next mean,obviously I need to hear the
same stuff over and over andover again.
'cause I can't apply.
Actually, actually, we shouldjust finish the book.
Sarah (53:16):
Fine.
Chris (53:16):
We'll finish it.
Sarah (53:17):
Fine, fine.
Fantastic.
All right.
Is that it?
Are you, yeah, I mean,
Chris (53:27):
short, short and sweet.
This week I, I yammered away alot about Prague I feel like.
So I think,
Sarah (53:32):
you know, after all our, um, off the rails at the
beginning.
We pulled it together short.
Sweet Bank.
Bank.
Fantastic.
All right.
A couple things to remind.
Yeah.
So, uh, April 4th at the, um,stage.
Craft, craft house.
Stage Grill.
Yeah.
Craft house.
Yeah.
You gotta get the name of theplace, right?
(53:53):
Craft House.
Stage and Grill in the SouthHills.
Okay.
Excellent.
Meet us there.
I'll be there at five o'clock.
There's a super awesome bandplaying.
It'll be so much fun.
And they have beer, so.
And Sarah's birthday is the nextday.
And my birthday's the next day.
So everybody should come out andparty with us, and Becca will be
(54:14):
there.
Okay?
Yeah.
So, yes, you'll get to meetBecca, um, and you'll get to
meet Kim d because she's gonnabe there.
'cause her birthday is actuallyon April 4th.
So we're gonna celebrate.
Substack is up, we're gonna tryto figure it out.
We have some shit to talk about,like us on Facebook.
If you, if you watch us on the,um, the YouTubes, do whatever
you do on the tubes.
Chris (54:34):
Don't, don't subscribe.
Do that, do that.
Don't do whatever you do on thetubes.
Yeah.
Like think there's buttons uphere at the top, like just like
our little thumbs, thumbs.
Do all the things bottom.
Okay.
The down the bottom.
Yeah.
Right.
Okay.
Yeah.
All of it.
All of it.
Wherever the buttons are put,
Sarah (54:50):
push all the buttons.
Push the buttons and whatever,um, platform you're listening to
us, make sure you subscribe,like, or whatever you do on that
platform.
Um, and I think that's it.
What did I miss?
Did I miss anything?
Chris (55:02):
I think that's it.
Sarah (55:03):
Okay.
Chris (55:04):
Yeah.
All love you.
All right.
Love you.
Bye.
Welcome to The Mental Funny Bone, a podcast where we
strive to create a safe andentertaining space where
listeners can explore mentalhealth topics, find solace, and
enjoy laughter.
This podcast aims tode-stigmatize mental health
discussions and empowerindividuals to approach their
own wellbeing with humor andopenness.
I'm Sarah.
Chris (00:25):
I'm Christine, and neither of us is a mental health
professional.
However, we speak routinely withmental health professionals
because that's what grownups dowhen they have problems they
need to deal with.
So I suggest everybody do that.
I like that.
It's also a bit judgy.
Sarah (00:44):
Um, maybe I should tone it down on the intro a little
bit.
Chris (00:49):
I don't know.
Uh, we're gonna let it ride.
People can complain if theywant.
They know how to get ahold ofus.
Yeah.
Sarah (00:56):
Gastro girls@gmail.com.
gmail.com.
We'll take your co complaints.
Tell me the intro is.
Chris (01:00):
Yeah, we'll, we'll take your complaints.
Um, I will, I, I will start usoff with a, with a little bit of
feedback and, uh, fan mail that,that we've gotten the past
couple of weeks.
So I was in Philadelphia, uh, acouple weeks ago with some work
colleagues and.
Every, every, uh, kind of timewe, we get together, they're,
(01:23):
they're always asking about thepodcast.
Um, and they're very supportive.
And it is often something thatgets mentioned when we're, when
we're talking to our colleagues.
So I really appreciate thatabout, about my colleagues, that
they bring up the podcast and,and let me talk about it with
strangers.
So I, I did get to talk to acouple people about it, and it
was.
(01:43):
Eye-opening, the way that youcan make a connection with
somebody by being vulnerable.
So he and I were having a, aconversation about sort of
mental health and how we canhave a comedy podcast about it.
And he's like, this fits alongwith, you know, kind of my
stuff.
I'm in recovery and I've beengoing through that process and I
(02:04):
was like, well.
Kind of very similar.
He's like, it's similar in thatI'm gonna tell you that and I'm
gonna be vulnerable.
You're gonna tell me somethingand you're gonna be vulnerable.
And then we're gonna understandeach other as people.
And when we have to do, uh, workstuff together, we're gonna be
able to, to do that better.
Amen.
And more effectively.
(02:25):
Amen.
And I was like, this is, this isawesome.
Thank you.
So this is the point of it,right?
I'm like, this is exactly whywe, why we do what we do.
So whether or not these peopleare listening, I have no idea.
As we're leaving the dinner, uh,that we were attending, the one
girl goes, oh, I know yourpodcast.
My husband listens to it.
He's a neurologist.
(02:46):
I was like, wait, what?
I'm like, I do you our punk, themental funny bone?
She's like, yes, love.
You know who I am, right?
I was like, are you, um, I, I'mnot a Kelsey brother or
anything, so I'm not.
Sure.
She's like, oh no, he loves it.
I was like, right on.
Right on.
Sarah (03:05):
I would like to hear from this neurologist.
Chris (03:07):
Right?
So if you're listening and, andyour wife had dinner in, uh,
king of Prussia at any pointYeah.
Could you just, uh, let me knowthat that's true because I have
clung to it.
Guest girls like the tiniest bitof positive feedback for the
past two weeks.
That
Sarah (03:24):
actually makes me feel like famous.
Chris (03:26):
Right?
I was like, wait, what?
And I looked over at everyoneand I was like, I wish you could
see the face I'm making.
'cause it was one of those, youknow, like, oh, who's, who's
important now?
Faces?
Sarah (03:37):
Mm-hmm.
Anna.
Uh, yeah.
Chris (03:38):
They appreciate that too.
I'm sure my work friends reallylike that.
Also, I went to, I went to eatfish.
Uh,'cause it's lint.
I don't know if you guys know,
Sarah (03:49):
I love the fried variety of fish.
Chris (03:53):
I think the Pope has also come out, uh, and, and explained
that eating fish on Fridaysdoesn't count as a sacrifice if
you really like fried fish.
So this destroys all of my hopesof, of getting into heaven.
'cause I was kind of banking onthe, not eating the meat on
Fridays as like the.
As the thing I did,
Sarah (04:15):
I, um, we don't do that.
We don't have to do that.
And
Chris (04:19):
Oh, with
Sarah (04:20):
your, uh, maybe, maybe roller,
Chris (04:22):
snake charmer religion.
Sarah (04:23):
Yeah.
Um, but when I started going toNoah's church and changing over
to this church, I was like, ha,ha ha.
Hey fuckers, I'm going out andgetting double the meat on
Fridays.
Eat it bitch.
Chris (04:38):
Which I don't, I don't think is what Jesus intended
either.
I don't know.
I don't know where he came upwith it.
No, he me like the worst
Sarah (04:44):
Christian ever.
Well, no, but I mean, makes me apretty shitty Christian.
And then I learned we don't eatmeat on Good Friday.
And I was like, what?
Chris (04:53):
Why?
Sarah (04:54):
This is, wow.
I thought we were
Chris (04:56):
cooler than that.
Right, right.
So the Pope has come out andsaid, you know, it's not, it's
not just to let you eat friedfish on Friday.
It's for sacrifice, guys.
Come on.
Uh, and, uh, I don't know.
Is the Pope sick?
Is he better?
Sarah (05:13):
Yeah.
I was just gonna ask if, if thepope, when you said that Pope
came out, I thought you weregonna tell me he came out of the
hospital because.
Chris (05:20):
Is he in the hospital?
Becca?
Sarah (05:21):
Yeah.
Becca.
Yeah, he was.
He was in the hospital.
He had double ear infection.
Nope.
Double lung infection.
Chris (05:29):
What is he?
A toddler?
He's not
Sarah (05:30):
a toddler.
He had to stay home frompreschool.
He couldn't bless the masses.
Yeah, he was sick.
I don't know if he's better yet.
Yes.
No, I can't read that.
Becca.
Becca, unmute yourself and justtalk.
Unmute yourself, make yourselfknown.
Chris (05:47):
CNN says, Pope Francis is
improving and is no longer inquote, immediate danger quote.
Oh,
I guess that's good.
All right.
I mean, I'm happy for the Pope,but I'm also a hundred percent
fascinated by picking a new popelike it is.
It is one of the, one of thelike old and medieval traditions
(06:11):
that is just hanging in thereand I love to watch it.
I'm like, lock him in a room,and then somebody catches on
fire and then there's smoke.
I was gonna say, doesn't
Sarah (06:19):
smoke come from somewhere.
It reminds me of like when thepriest would come down the aisle
when we had to go to church atSt.
Michael's.
Mm-hmm.
With the smoking thing.
Yeah.
Right, right.
Incense,
Chris (06:31):
I think is what you're,
Sarah (06:32):
whatever.
It smelled good.
I liked it.
It's kind of like one of thosesmells that a lot of people
don't like, and I was like, Ooh,
Chris (06:38):
that's nice.
It's nice.
I like that.
I like that.
Right.
Anyway, filled long and glorioustradition and yeah, I love it.
I love watching this spectacleof it.
Yeah.
But you know, nice, nice to knowthat that poor old guy is, is
doing better.
Yeah.
And he'll be able to save soulsand, and tell me that eating
fried fish isn't gonna get meinto heaven.
Awesome.
Um,
Sarah (06:57):
yeah.
Chris (06:58):
Anyway, so speaking,
Sarah (06:59):
what's his name?
The Francis.
Francis Pope Francis.
Okay.
Um, shout out to Pope Francis.
'cause you know he probablylistens.
Chris (07:07):
I'm sure he does.
He's a neurologist.
Sarah (07:10):
One of the nurses there makes him listen to it.
Shh.
Pope Francis
Chris (07:16):
just, is he in a regular hospital?
Is there like a special badhospital?
No, there's a Pope, PopeHospital.
Pope.
Obviously it's a Pope Hospital.
Come on.
Okay.
He has a Pope Mobile.
He can't just go to normalhospital.
Sarah (07:28):
Do they carry him or is that was like the Egyptians?
Chris (07:33):
I, I don't know what they do, but I am, do you know what
I'm imaging like him in a
Sarah (07:36):
glass box and they're carrying
Chris (07:40):
Yes.
Yes.
We have gone as soon as you saidit
Sarah (07:43):
so far off the fucking rails.
I can't,
Chris (07:45):
we're gonna have, I, I believe what we said is we are
gonna have a short targetedepisode this week.
One.
That one that makes sense.
Sarah (07:53):
This is making my day so much better though.
I can't even stand it.
Okay, here's, here's where we
Chris (07:57):
are.
We're talking about a Pope box.
Sit off your Pope Box.
The Pope box.
So what I'm picturing is theyhave him in that litter, I think
is what it's called, andthey're, there's like six
cardinals who are like in therunning to take his job and they
like carry him to the hospital.
That's what the VaticanHospital, the special one.
One room Pope Hospital.
(08:19):
Pope spit,
Sarah (08:21):
Pope spit.
He had special nurses.
What is, okay?
All right.
Okay.
That's, move on.
That, that's it.
We're done.
Okay.
We're done.
We're
Chris (08:27):
done.
We're done.
Speaking of religion and themiddle Ages, I was in, uh, I was
in Prague.
Wait, you didn't
Sarah (08:35):
finish your story about fish?
Fish soup, no fish sandwiches.
Chris (08:40):
No, that was it.
That was the pope has has comedown that, that this isn't gonna
save my soul.
And if I'm not willing tosacrifice, I shouldn't even
bother.
But I thought
Sarah (08:48):
there was a story of someone talking to you about our
podcast as you were eating afish sandwich.
Chris (08:53):
Nope.
You made that up in your head.
I had moved on from theneurologist to the Pope.
I can't remember how.
When did you talk to Christie?
Oh, oh, okay.
Yes.
No, Christie wasn't talking.
I'm back.
I'm back.
Okay.
Welcome to the party.
Thank you.
I haven't had a lot of sleeplately.
So Christie and I sit down,well, I sit down and then David
(09:13):
sits down.
Then Christie and uh, Danny, uh,B walk in and uh, she sits down,
uh, at the table next to us andI'm like, Hey.
And this happens a lot'causeit's a small town.
There's not that many places togo and there aren't that many of
us.
I run into people all the timeand, uh, Christie's like, I love
your podcast.
You and your sister are so goodand your personalities shine
(09:34):
through, and I, I am gettingbetter at saying thank you.
I appreciate that, that youlisten, it's fun for us to do it
rather than being like, oh,
Sarah (09:44):
excited do that again.
Oh my God, please do that again.
Chris (09:50):
Right?
Like and excited.
Seal it is an like, excited sealis what it's right.
Like my flippers are going, I'mbouncing up and down.
I'm sorry.
Sorry.
Thank you.
Right idiot.
So instead of doing that, I'mlike, oh, thanks.
We have a good time.
We're we, you know, we're happythat you listen.
And then, you know, she, we talkabout mundane things and she's
(10:13):
like, and I was really surprisedto hear that about Olivia.
And I was like, oh.
And then I, and then I get alittle bit tongue tied, right?
I'm like, oh, yeah.
Um, just like, just like all ofthese things, like it's easier
for you to understand if Oliviahas a broken leg, but these
things happen in a space thatyou can't necessarily see.
And it, you know, happy that,that we could talk about it.
(10:35):
And it turns out that, uh,Christie has close relatives who
are also going through some,some similar issues.
So it was nice to be able to, inthe, in my, in my own community,
uh, feel good and comfortable.
Talking about Olivia and talkingabout other people who are
facing some of these challengesand being able to, to talk about
(10:56):
how like we should be able totalk about this all the time.
Like if Olivia had been bornwithout a nose, that would be
noticeable.
I mean, it's just what I thoughtof.
I'm reading a lot of, I get it.
It's fine.
It's fine.
Like, yeah.
And, and, you know, we wouldn'tnecessarily spend the entire
conversation talking about, uh,these sort of physical
limitations.
Just like we don't need to spendthe entire conversation talking
(11:17):
about the, the mental ones.
But it is nice to acknowledgethat, that people are
struggling.
So that was, that was good.
That was a nice thing.
I like it.
Sarah (11:25):
Awesome.
Um, I like stories like that.
I like the neurologist.
I like it all.
I like the pope.
I like it all.
May I share one?
Okay.
Now I have three little thingsto share.
Chris (11:36):
Like three little birds.
Three little birds.
My doorstep.
We're
Sarah (11:40):
already gonna talk about birds, actually.
One of them is about birds.
Number one.
Went to our alma materyesterday, Elizabeth, forward
high school for the first timesince, uh, 1996.
I think it looks, uh, it looksvery similar.
It looks very similar.
Went there for AmericanFoundation.
(12:00):
Suicide.
Suicide Prevention.
Prevention, A FSP, and I wentwith our friend Jackie and Ed
from March 4th.
Yay.
And we went together because Iwas anxious about going through
the, the shit's underconstruction.
I was scared on where to go.
So they're wonderful and let meride with them Anyway, so it, it
(12:20):
was, it was a nice day.
It was nice to spend time withthem.
And I just wanted to mention itbecause, uh, Jackie, after a FSP
spoke, Jackie got up to say herthing and she gets really
nervous about it and kind ofanxious.
And, uh, I think this was thefourth one that she's done.
And she did, they did say thatthe first time they really
talked about it was on ourpodcast.
So I thought that was, I thankthem for that.
(12:42):
I thought that was pretty cool.
Anyway.
She kicked fucking ass like,
yay.
She had to do
it twice.
And both times she did anamazing job.
And, um, Tanner is, is reallypushing her to do things out of
her comfort zone and she's just.
(13:02):
Kicking, kicking ass.
So, and the kids were veryappreciative to her and Ed for
coming to talk.
And it was, it was nice.
I, I got to spend some time withthem.
So thank you Jackie and Ed forletting me tag along and, uh, do
that and shout out to Larissa.
'cause I got to say hi to her.
'cause she's an an amazingteacher.
Chris (13:23):
She's a teacher there.
Yeah.
At the high school.
I didn't know that school.
Sarah (13:26):
Oh yeah, I talked to her.
I was like, God bless you.
'cause I'd never be able to dothis.
I was about to go up in thosebleachers and tear that one
girl's hair out, tell her toshut the fuck up.
Chris (13:35):
Right.
I would have trouble, like,there's nothing more frightening
to me than a group of teenagers.
Like
Sarah (13:41):
Yeah.
And that's what Jackie wassaying, like, and this is the
biggest crowd and it's ninththrough 12th grade.
There's just no,
Chris (13:48):
there's like, if I'm like wandering around, uh, a foreign
country, let's say, and there'sa, and there's a group of
teenagers, I am automaticallylike, well, here's how I get
killed.
Please don't talk to me.
Like I would rather walk downTotally makes sense, a dark
alley at three o'clock in themorning and take my chances
versus walking past a group ofteenagers just after school's
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let out.
Sarah (14:10):
Yeah, I totally makes sense.
Totally.
All right, so that was my, thatwas one.
Now we'll go to two.
Shout out to my sister-in-law,Sam.
She informed me that when Ispoke about Chicago, I did not
share all the good stories, soI'm not gonna do it now'cause we
have a lot of other shit that weneed to talk about.
But Sam, I promise I've writtenmyself a note.
I'm gonna make Becca writeherself a note that we need more
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Chicago stories and I'll try topepper some in.
So.
Just be on the lookout for that.
Lastly, nice weather is finallyupon us.
Yay.
We are finally getting a break.
Amen.
From the shitty weather andsomething has happened to macho
and it's very entertaining.
I mean, kind of entertaining.
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It gets kind of annoying now,but the birds have come back, so
macho is so confused.
We go outside and you could hearall the birds and he's like.
Looking everywhere.
So now he makes it his missionwhen going outside to say hi to
all the birds.
So he looks up into the treeslike every one of them makes
noise.
He has to.
Make eye contact.
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Then he tries to chase the onesthat are on the ground and
hopping.
So he tries to hop macho.
We don't have a fenced inbackyard.
Macho is on a retractable leash,and he's been on that leash for
almost two years now, and hedoesn't remember that.
He's on that leash and he goesfull out, man.
He sees a bird and he goes,yeah, charging.
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And then he learns really quick.
He's on a leash, and then hedoes it again, like he
repeatedly does it while we'reoutside.
So I just wanted to mention thegood weather, and I wanted to
mention Machos obsession withbirds, and I should also mention
that I took Machos doorbell outalready, so we won't have that
interruption.
Chris (15:52):
I'm disappointed.
Yeah.
I look forward to every episodeknowing when macho needs to go
pee.
Sarah (15:58):
And for the gastro story, I was gonna talk about fish
sticks, but I feel like we can,we can move on.
Let's, let's move on.
I wanna hear about your week orhowever many days in Prague.
Just for everybody's knowledge.
I had Covid last week.
It sucked.
My sister was gallivantingaround doing awesome shit while
I was at home dying.
It did not suck.
(16:19):
So.
I wanna hear about Prague andthen you're, you're gonna lead
the whole thing.
You're gonna lead us to the nexttwo chapters of Let Them, um, so
give us, give us a scoop onPrague.
Chris (16:29):
So I will, I will tell you guys that, uh, business
travel generally means that I amsleeping in a courtyard by
Marriott generally.
A place like King of Prussia,which is nice, but not super
scenic.
There's a nice mall there.
Or I am someplace in New Jersey,or you know, maybe on occasion
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we'll go to, we'll go to Texas,but, um.
I had the chance to go to, to goto a conference, a, a data
management conference in Pragueand Wow.
Like, what up nerds?
Uh, how's it going?
So we we're last minute.
We're trying to decide flights,we're trying to figure out who's
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gonna go, and it turns out Ihave to be in Philadelphia.
So I'm gonna, I'm gonna meet upwith my, uh, with my work buddy,
Nicole.
And, uh, and we're gonna fly offand, and go to Prague.
Um.
Overnight flight, uh, like coolass, uh, kind of thing.
Then we ended up, we were inParis for our layover, and it,
it, it got kind of ruined alittle bit.
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Our trip there, and this willtell you how spoiled I am.
And how privileged I am and howI don't really understand the
gift of being able to takeinternational trips and not pay
for them outta my own pocket.
I couldn't get into the loungein Charles Tagal airport because
I didn't have the right kind ofticket.
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So I am used to this,
Sarah (17:57):
this you this ruined it.
This ruined it.
Chris (18:01):
I am used to being able to sit comfortably in the
lounge.
And, and have, uh, someone comeand take my plate away for me
when I'm done snacking, I amused to being able to walk up to
the little bar in the lounge andbeing like, yes, do you have a,
do you have champagne?
I'll, I'll have a mimosa,please.
And, and having that happen, andnow I, I can't even get into the
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lounge.
'cause the French lady was like,oh, uh, we are going to be very
busy today.
I cannot even, oh, I like your
Sarah (18:29):
accent.
Well done.
Well
Chris (18:31):
done.
Right.
I took French in high school.
Well done.
But that was exactly how it was.
She looked, she had a very, shehad a very smart haircut.
She looked very French, veryfashionable, even though she's
wearing a uniform.
So now I'm left to wanderaimlessly through the terminal
like so many other tourists.
Um, but all kidding aside, eventhe was awesome.
(18:53):
I am challenged by the thingsthat normally challenge, uh,
travelers.
I couldn't figure out how to drymy hair because the plugs are
different and it's not just the.
Plug.
It's not just the plug, it's theelectricity that goes into the
plug.
Sarah (19:07):
I don't know, does it have something to do with a
metric system?
Like why, what?
I don't get it.
Like why are things weird?
Why are things different?
Everything we do is fuckingdifferent.
Our temperatures different.
Our numbers are different.
Everything's fucking different.
I don't, right.
It's crazy.
Who knows how long thatkilometers is?
Let him fucking know.
Chris (19:27):
We fought hard for that.
Right.
I'll point out there's a greatSaturday Night Live skit that I
could point to everyone to byNate Zi, where he talks about
our intrinsic right as Americansto measure things in a way that
makes no sense.
Yeah, sure.
Yeah, totally.
Sorry, go ahead.
Great.
Except for the hairdryer in thehotel room that they provide for
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you.
It was like somebody was blowingon my hair gently and softly.
Like Right.
Like that.
Right.
And you had to hold the buttondown to keep it going.
'cause apparently in Europethey're way more concerned about
not having a planet to live on.
Once we destroy the ozone layer,it seems not tracks these guys.
Sarah (20:12):
Yeah.
These fucking guys.
Chris (20:13):
But there's a, it's a lot of work to do and I'm meeting
the, I'm meeting some colleaguesand it turns out, no matter what
language we're all speaking, Iam the loudest.
And if there is an opportunityto have a microphone in one
hand, I will, I will take thatopportunity, even though it
isn't my conference.
This isn't like I have my ownAmerica, uh, data management
(20:36):
conference.
But no, I have to invade thesepoor Europeans and takeover.
Um.
So if you, if you ever wantedmeet a quiet group of people, it
is, uh, data managers fromaround the world.
I was like, Hey guys, what arewe doing?
Like for whatever reason we hadto do a group activity in one of
the sessions, a group activityof all things.
(20:58):
The fucking
Sarah (20:58):
worst.
They're the worst.
They're the fucking worst,almost.
They're right behind theicebreakers.
Chris (21:05):
I almost got up and left.
We did both in this particularsession.
Yeah.
But yeah, it's
Sarah (21:09):
a fucking, I can't stand it.
Chris (21:11):
This will surprise you.
I was late, so I missed theicebreaker.
Sarah (21:14):
Mm.
I think, I mean, maybe my nextconference, if, if I ever get it
to go anywhere and get invitedanywhere again in my life, I
think I might do that.
Just show up late.
It cause me to have a supercrazy panic attack.
Chris (21:27):
It's a great, it was a great, um, table needs a
spokesperson.
I'm like, alright, do you guyswant, uh, who wants to talk?
And they were like, they madethat noise.
And I was like, okay, I'll talk.
Um.
So it's, it has to be a gasterthing.
That was fun.
But like, the part of theexercise was how, how we were
doing it, the pretend clinicaltrial was taking place in West
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Virginia and how there's a,there's a high level of obesity.
So the fact that these, theweights for these people was
higher than expected was justsort of written off by the fact
that everyone here is fat.
Hmm.
I was like, I don't wanna bepicky.
We'd be picky.
'cause it's not my conference,not my country, but FYI, there
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are skinny people in WestVirginia, so
Sarah (22:12):
Yeah,
Chris (22:14):
that was like, are people who
Sarah (22:14):
do lots of, nevermind.
Stop.
Stop.
That's in every state.
That's in every state.
Chris (22:22):
And the, the thing about international travel is the time
difference means that you areawake way early in the US
morning and you're available andaccessible to people who need to
ask you questions way, way lateat night.
So I had trouble regulating thatand ended up accidentally
staying up all night two nightsin a row, which for someone in
(22:44):
my advanced age never works outgreat.
Like I haven't advanced age.
I'm 51.
I like it.
51?
Yeah.
Are you 51?
Yeah.
Yeah, I'll be 52 this year.
Okay.
Okay.
And then, uh, because things areso busy, there's opportunities
for everyone to go sightseeing,and I had to, I had to press my
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sightseeing time in Prague, uh,to six hours.
That was it.
That was the only, that was theonly sighting time we had, but
it was an amazing six hours.
I saw ancient cathedrals.
I blasphemed a good deal whilebeing inside of the church.
Sarah (23:20):
Okay.
I didn't know, I didn't knowwhat that word was, but I
figured it out.
Chris (23:24):
Yeah.
I said, uh, I said a lot of badthings, um, while I was You're
your father's
Sarah (23:29):
daughter
Chris (23:31):
there.
What can I say?
I mean, we're walking, walkingaround Cathedral, a cathedral, a
cathedral, medieval cathedralthat these guys had made, which
is, um, oddly enough next doorto the basilica that they had
already made, uh, which is alsonext door to the church, uh,
that they had already made, andthe chapel that they had already
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made.
Time out.
What, what's the differencebetween all of these buildings?
Uh, uh, chapels are little,churches are a little bit
bigger.
Uh, basilicas are, are slightlybi from what I can tell.
I mean, I'm just basing it onthis one experience, but it's
just about size.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's, it's about money.
I think there's also money and Ithink that the cathedral might
(24:13):
have more, uh, dead saints in itor something.
I'm not.
Quite sure.
Are they all the
Sarah (24:18):
same?
Like are they all St.
Chris (24:20):
Michael's congregation or were they different
congregations?
As far as I can tell.
I don't know this, the, the, um,and, and it's all the signs are
all in check, which I don'tspeak.
Okay.
Sarah (24:35):
Meanwhile, I just see check marks.
Chris (24:36):
Right.
It's like that, there's like a Cwith an accent on it.
I was like, I don't.
Yeah.
Why are the Z's all togetherwith the s's?
It seems like they make enoughof the same sound.
They're like,
Sarah (24:47):
Billy Madison doing cursive.
Right?
Chris (24:51):
There was like a, a d with a hat on it.
I'm like, I don't, not sure.
But it was, it was all, it wasall fascinating.
And it turns out in thisparticular cathedral, they are
taking up a collection, uh, tobuy a new organ.
Okay.
And then I looked at the placewhere the organ was and the
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organ.
The organ is two stories and isbigger than my house, like the,
the organ, the amount of stainedglass and gold and marble in
this cathedral.
Um.
I'm thinking could have gone along way to maybe making sure
some peasants didn't die in themiddle Ages.
Yeah.
Yeah.
(25:31):
I mean.
I don't know.
I don't know.
It was great though.
'cause there's so many Game ofThrones.
Its beautiful quotes and I hadhad no sleep, so I was extra
funny.
There's a, uh, there's asculpture, a beautiful sculpture
of, uh, Pope, I think it's Popeykind of guy.
And he's sitting down and, uh,there's a, there's a guy like
sitting behind him, so it lookslike they're sledding.
(25:54):
Like it looks like they're, Iwas like, what?
Is this And I took pictures ofthings'cause I'm like, I'm gonna
look that up when I get backhome and figure out what that
was.
No, I haven't even looked at thepictures except for the Pope on
a sled.
I looked at Pope on a sled acouple times,
Sarah (26:08):
Pope on a sled.
I love that you sent us somepictures and it was absolutely
gorgeous.
I was very jealous.
It is.
Chris (26:14):
And we are, we're inside, inside Prague in this castle and
I think maybe the mayor of ofPrague.
Lives in the, in the castlethere were, uh, I mean there was
a change.
Prague is a country, right?
No.
Prague is a city.
Prague is a city p in, in theCzech Republic.
Right.
Sarah (26:31):
Ah, that makes sense now.
Okay.
Czech Republic is the country.
Country, right?
Prague is just a city.
It's not a state.
No, not everybody has states.
Not
everybody has states and Canadahas the
providence provides Providences.
I can't with you.
Hey, that Facebook thing came upfor me.
(26:52):
Again, that was defining the UKGreat Britain and everything,
right?
And I just looked at the littlesections and there's a bunch of
repeating shit in each sectionand it pisses me the fuck off.
So I just kept scrolling.
Go ahead.
Chris (27:04):
I mean, I had the opportunity to ask the question
several times.
I was like, so can you justbreak it down for me, like how
the soccer teams get promotedand why you don't just have
states like.
I don't, is it four country?
There's four countries is a onecountry.
You can't have a country in acountry.
It doesn't make any sense.
Exactly.
Sarah (27:24):
This is what I'm saying.
I believe that you laughed at methe first time I said this.
This is ridiculous.
You can't say there's thesethree, this is a country, but
then say, oh, but the uk What?
I don't take your weirdelectrical outlets.
You're nonsensical UK ness.
Right?
Chris (27:41):
Take your big fat plug in it.
You know where you can put yourmetric
Sarah (27:46):
system right.
Shove your Celsius up your ass.
Chris (27:50):
They said, that's the thing that doesn't make sense.
They're like, what's the wordfor a thousand pounds?
I was like, half a ton.
A thousand.
They're like, I was like a ki apound.
Who?
Who cares?
Anyway, so that was like that.
That was my advice.
I was kidding.
I
Sarah (28:06):
apologize to any of our UK friends'cause I know that
you're out there.
I know you're listening.
I mean, I apologize.
You guys are much better than weare.
I
Chris (28:13):
mean, it's fine.
This, this gives us stuff totalk about, um, differences in
opinion and such.
Um, you could also Uber, uh, in,in the Czech Republic, so we, we
get to the Czech Republic, we'vebeen awake for like, I don't
know, 39 hours or something.
And, uh.
I'm like, we could get an Uber.
'cause I'm looking at the Uberapp on my phone and it says, all
(28:35):
right, go outside and pick upthe Uber.
You're gonna show this code, uh,just hop in the first vehicle in
line and show the guy the code.
I'm like, all right.
So we ask the person at theinformation desk who I would
assume is the person that hasthe information about what to
do, and uh, I show her the Uberapp and she's like, oh yes,
(28:56):
that's upstairs.
Go out upstairs on level two.
Okay, so we go out and what itis is just, there's a bunch of
cars kind of just hanging outthere, and I'm like, do you
think we just get in a car,Nicole?
And, uh, and Nicole's like, Idon't, I don't think that sounds
right.
And, uh, luckily we didn't dothat because, uh, this is where
the people wait to pick uprelatives.
(29:18):
I
Sarah (29:19):
really
Chris (29:19):
wish
Sarah (29:19):
that you would've done that so badly.
So badly.
I wish this story would be somuch.
I mean, this is great, but Imean, it would be so much better
if you would've got in astranger's car in a street,
showed show him a code, andshowed him a code and spoke
English.
Chris (29:35):
Hi.
Hi.
We need to go to the hotel showcode.
Do you know how to get to theClarion Hotel?
It's the Clarion.
Sarah (29:43):
They can understand you if you say it louder,
Chris (29:46):
loud, and slow.
Right.
Um, so no, that is not, that isnot where you do that.
So luckily we went inside andfound the, we found the Uber
line before we popped in the carwith somebody's grandma.
And here's what I was gonna do.
I was just gonna go around andput my shit in the trunk and
then pop in the backseat.
Can you imagine sitting at theairport waiting for somebody and
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then some dumb bitch just popsout and she's like, Hey, put my
shit in your trunk.
Let's go.
Here's my code.
What up, bro?
There were a lot of near misseslike that.
Um, oh, I love that.
And every, it was very humblingtoo, because everybody speaks
English and I don't speak Czech,so I was like, I'm sorry, do
you, do you speak English?
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And she's like, yes, of course Ispeak English.
And I was like, it's not ascommon to speak two languages
where I come from.
So I would appreciate a littleless disdain in your Yes answer.
Well,
if you could.
Well, I, I mean, man who'strying to help me find a plug to
plug in my curling iron.
So you found the
Sarah (30:51):
Uber?
Chris (30:52):
Yeah.
Found the Uber.
Yeah.
It was all, it was.
It was all Go be Ubered.
We Ubered everywhere.
Prague is now my favorite citybecause it is so.
Beautifully medieval and thestreets are tiny and there's
cobblestones everywhere andeveryone is friendly ish.
I'm pretty sure they're scammingme out of some kind of money.
Like every time I went to paywith my credit card, he is like,
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do you wanna pay in dollars or,or check checks?
I was like, I'll just write youa check.
It's hilarious.
Hilarious.
Um, yeah, it was, it wasbeautiful and I wish that I
would've had a lot more time tospend there and I was sad when I
had to come home.
(31:34):
Once we're famous, we'll go overthere and record.
That would be awesome.
We go to the bridge.
There was a bridge that wasfamous for some
Sarah (31:41):
reason.
We can record from the bridge.
We can record from the basilica,which sounds like the snake in
Harry Potter.
We can record from the chapelbas the cathedral.
Chris (31:53):
Right?
We could record from any of anynumber of churches, all of
underneath, all of'em.
Sarah (31:57):
We'll be super blessed.
Chris (31:59):
Any amount of stained glass, right?
Yes.
Also, it turns out that I am soAmerican that even before I
talk, you know, I'm American.
Yeah.
I don't know how, but apparentlyI just radiate Uncle Sam's under
Pitt.
Like armpits.
Like that is the feeling I giveoff.
(32:19):
Wonder why?
I don't know.
It's something to do with myaggressive walking.
I don't, I don't know.
Sarah (32:26):
Yeah.
It's weird.
I don't, Hmm.
Chris (32:28):
The fact that it looked like somebody blew on my hair
like this for two days, they'relike, oh, bad hair.
Gotta be American.
Can't figure out how to plugshit in.
Better laptop.
Chelsea doesn't know how to do
Sarah (32:38):
anything here.
Chris (32:39):
Right, right.
Anyway, so that was it.
That was, that was a good time.
I really enjoyed myself.
I didn't realize how far away itwas.
'cause you had to like, takelike nine flights, like to get
back.
I went from Prague to, uh,Paris, to Boston, to home.
Sarah (32:54):
Oh, that sounds terrible.
Chris (32:55):
It was a, it was a lot.
It was a lot of flying.
But I did get the opportunity,which I have never had before
and I will never have again.
Uh, I got to make a pillow forton the airplane.
I had all four middle seats tomyself and all four pillows.
And all four blankets.
'cause they still give you thosethings on an international
flight.
So I laid down and died for agood three hours of the trip.
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So good, good stuff all around.
I can't wait to go back.
Thank you Prague, and thank youguys for listening to me gammer
on about, uh, about things.
Um, I love it.
My final word is that if you getthe chance to go do touristy
things with a group of peopleand none of you knows the
history or has done any researchor can read any of the signs,
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it's best to have somebody withyou that will just make some
stuff up.
So, yeah, I'm gonna give Jumbo alittle bit of a shout out here.
Sarah (33:49):
I was just gonna say, daddy would be the best if we
could just put'em in yourpocket, take him with you,
right.
Chris (33:55):
Wow.
Right, right.
Because we were, we were in along hallway at one point, and I
was like, what do you think theyused this for?
And the girl who was with us,who was a quiet girl just pops
off with like this longexplanation of mm-hmm.
Why you would have a longhallway.
And I was like, wow, Jess, didyou research this?
And she was like, oh no, I madethat up.
(34:15):
Yeah.
Straight faced.
Straight faced.
Yeah.
I was like, this is the best,this
Sarah (34:19):
is.
I feel like you had to do it afew times.
'cause I feel like it's a familytalent that we have and somehow
people believe us.
Like yesterday we had a boostersmeeting and the one girl said,
you know, they make banners,it's down in Crafton.
And I was like, craft andbanners.
And the other girl was like, oh,okay.
And was writing down craft andbanners, don't write that down,
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that's not it.
And she was like, wait, are youfucking with me?
And I was like, yeah.
I don't know what the fuck thename that place is.
But I mean, craft and bannersmade sense.
Chris (34:48):
No, but yeah, I mean, I, I got to do it a couple, couple
times.
We walked into a room, I'm sureyou did.
And there were, uh, there werelike family crests or, or stuff
on the, on the ceiling.
And I'm like, oh no, this is thefamily tree of the mare Yeah.
Of Prague.
The, the ruler of this castle.
Everyone got to write their nameon the ceiling.
See,
(35:08):
but they didn't,
I don't know what I, to this day.
Yeah,
Sarah (35:12):
no idea.
But I'm sure that you made upsome good shit while you were
over there.
Chris (35:15):
Delightful, delayed.
I highly recommend Daddywould've been proud.
It's often more interesting thanwhat actually happened.
Like why are the, and I alsopoorly translating those signs,
like when we were in France,there was a sign for the
Frontier Police.
I was like, no, it'simmigration.
This is immigration.
It's the frontier police.
(35:36):
That sounds right.
Yeah.
I was like, oh, here we are.
I need to show this man mypassport.
And he looked at me and he saidto passports.
Sarah (35:44):
I sport
Chris (35:46):
and I said, oh, here it is.
Hi.
Maybe that's how everybody knowsI'm American,'cause I'm just
smiling all the time.
Hi.
And he was
Sarah (35:52):
like, wow, you a dumb American,
Chris (35:54):
stupid.
Welcome to Prague
Sarah (35:58):
idiot.
When I travel to Canada, I'mconstantly saying, sorry, I'm
just dumb American.
Chris (36:03):
I don't mean to be aggressive and take over an
entire conversation.
I don't know why or how ithappens.
Alright, let's, uh, let's talkbooks.
Let's talk books.
Sarah (36:11):
Yeah.
I'm super excited to talk aboutthis book'cause I'm definitely
intrigued by your thoughts.
Chris (36:17):
Yeah, I, I am, I shared a little bit, uh, before, um, that
I don't like this book.
Yeah.
I don't know why I don't likethe book.
Like, I like everything aboutit.
I like the ideas.
I, I think that she's spot onwhen she's talking about how to,
(36:37):
how to manage and regulate youremotions as you, as you go
through a world that isn'tnecessarily centered on your
happiness, which I think is sortof the crux of, of this, is that
nobody, nobody around you owesyou, uh, a good time.
Nobody around you owes you aparticular feeling or a
particular anything.
Nobody owes you an invite toGirls weekend.
(37:00):
And people are going to do whatthey are going to do.
And that's kind of like the letthem piece of it, right.
Uh, to recap from a couple weeksago.
And the let me piece of that isthese are things I can control
and I can do to impact whathappens to me in the future.
So both of those things totogether are good and I like
those thoughts and I think thatthey're accurate, but I don't
(37:22):
know why I have trouble reading.
Oh, I didn't mute.
I thought I muted reading this book.
Fuck, I'm sorry.
I swear
Sarah (37:38):
I mute.
Chris (37:39):
Hilarious.
Sarah (37:42):
No, afraid I'm gonna,
Chris (37:45):
oh no, there's no way we're cutting that out.
No way.
All right.
So let, let them, let me.
That was a really sloppy one.
It sounded amazing.
It sounded amazing.
So I do think that, that MelRobbins is good.
I do think she's insightful.
I don't know why I can't getpast her writing.
I, I dunno, I think those twothings can exist.
(38:09):
Simultaneously though I think Ican not like the writing and
appreciate the ideas.
Sarah (38:14):
You'll
Chris (38:14):
just be
Sarah (38:14):
irritated as you read it.
Right?
Like it just be hard to read.
Chris (38:17):
Like,
Sarah (38:18):
I'm angry right now because, and this is what I
wanted to get to.
'cause you were very like, eh,it's not really my cup.
Like you were No, like I, therewas feeling, there was a lot of
feeling behind your.
Discussed with this book.
Chris (38:33):
Yeah.
I don't, and maybe, maybe itcomes back to what we talked
about in the beginning.
Like, bitch takes these ideasthat are like almost obvious at
this point to me.
Uh, writes'em down in a book andthen sells them to, and becomes
a
Sarah (38:45):
bazillionaire and
Chris (38:45):
sells'em to housewives because they're unhappy with the
fact that they couldn't get intothe lounge in France.
Sarah (38:53):
Yeah.
You have feelings?
Yep.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah,
Chris (38:56):
that's, I think that might be, that might be part of
it.
I'll pick it apart later.
But I mean, suffice it to saythat this is a struggle for me
to read.
Um.
I liked chapter three, likestress less, control your
reactions, not the world.
I think she says at one point,and right now, also
professionally I am, I am goingthrough a period of time where I
(39:18):
am working harder probably thanI have since CODI am under a lot
of pressure to do thingssuccessfully with not a lot of,
of tools, resources, orunderstanding of the assignment.
So I am, I am stressed and.
It is, it is a challenge for meto try and control that without
sort of doing what I do when I'mnormally stress, which is just
(39:41):
to double down, uh, work more,pay less attention to things
that I should and just kind ofbarrel through whatever it is
that's challenging.
So I think that's like the exactopposite of what you should be
doing, right.
It turns out okay.
Yeah, it turns out I should be.
Um, and it, it, it has like,that is a lot of the reason that
(40:01):
I ended up staying up all nightbecause there was just, uh, I'm
like, I'm just gonna do one morething.
I'm just gonna do one morething.
And, uh, you know, looking at,uh, looking at chapter three and
chapter four, I'm probably a bitirritated with them, uh, because
they are telling me what Ishould be doing and what I'm
doing is the exact opposite ofthem.
So I'm probably a bit annoyed.
(40:21):
With someone telling mesomething obvious that I simply
refuse to do that you're justignoring for whatever reason.
Sarah (40:27):
Yeah.
I feel like that might be yourproblem with it.
Like it might Yeah, this allmakes sense and I bet it works,
but uh, I'm not gonna do it.
Chris (40:34):
Right.
Right.
I'm like, I completelyunderstand, control my
reactions, not the, not theworld.
And I, I will say that I amgetting, uh, I am getting better
at looking at things that, thatare happening and understanding.
That these are things that arehappening and not everything
that is happening is a directresult of my effort.
(40:57):
So, like two years ago,Christine would have looked at
the situation and been like,well, if things are like this
because I did something wrong,so in order to make up for it,
I'm just gonna, I'm keep on, I'mgonna kill myself working to
make it, to make it better.
And now I'm, I'm much morelikely to be like, well, um.
This, this is, this is aterrible pickle we've gotten
(41:18):
ourselves into and how can we,how can we get out of it?
And
Sarah (41:22):
I'm still gonna work as hard.
Chris (41:24):
Yeah.
Well, I'm, I'm gonna work ashard.
I'm still gonna
Sarah (41:26):
overwork myself, but at least I'm not gonna blame
myself.
Right.
Steps, baby steps.
Right.
Baby steps.
Chris (41:33):
I want to make it easier for everybody else, right?
Like, I want everybody else tocome into a situation where they
can be, be successful.
That is like the, the doublingdown now isn't because I have to
make up for my inadequacies, mydoubling down now is because I,
I.
Want everyone to be happy.
So different.
'cause
Sarah (41:52):
you're people pleasing, right?
So different.
No, I feel like this is tradingyour pack of smokes for your
puffer.
Right.
Um, we're we're vaping now.
Cool.
Yeah, exactly.
'cause I feel like this isexactly what just happened.
Chris (42:06):
And we all, we, we are also having this discussion
around, uh, around the behavior,which is something that we
would've never had before.
'cause a, I wouldn't have talkedabout it.
I, I would've been like, I'm soashamed of what I have done and
how bad I am at everything thatI can't even, that I can't even
talk about.
I'll just work until I diebecause, you know, I deserve it.
(42:28):
Um, where now I'm like, whywe're, why we're.
The, the other thing I reallyliked about chapter three, which
will, uh, resonate with anyonewho's listened to this podcast
for more than one episode isthe, uh, power of pause.
Um, do you remember when shetalks about this, like the
ability to kind of take that,take that beat and be like, uh,
(42:52):
yep.
You know, I have to, I have totake a minute and protect my own
energy and figure.
How do I, how do I maintain mypeace of mind by consciously
choosing, um, not to react tothings that are, that are
bothering me?
Like, how do I choose to say,all right?
(43:12):
Yeah.
That's, that's irritating.
Um, like couple examples, uh, Ithink from my own life are yeah,
things.
People are asking me questionstoday and I'm like, Ugh, why,
why are you asking me thisquestion?
And.
Being able to take a beat and belike, uh, they're asking you
that question.
'cause they need to know theanswer, right.
(43:33):
Like Right.
Just give them the answer.
I agree with this because I
Sarah (43:35):
do it all the time.
Like as soon as my little teamsthing comes up, I'm like, oh,
what the fuck do they want?
And it's like, yeah, they wantyou to do your
Chris (43:42):
job, asshole.
Right.
They need your help withsomething.
And, uh, they're not, they'renot annoying you.
So let them ask their questionsand mm-hmm.
You know, let me figure out howI can best help them quickly and
efficiently, so.
Right, right.
I.
Positive steps, positive steps.
So chapter three all makessense.
(44:02):
Um, you know, I don't reallyhave a whole lot more to talk
about out outside of that.
I'm looking through
Sarah (44:07):
it now.
Chris (44:07):
I think that co that pretty much covers it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then chapter four, opinions.
Right?
So again, we're, we're dancingback into fear of other people's
opinions.
Right.
And how that, you know.
How that can hold you back andhow, uh, people waste time and
energy attempting to, you know,get other people to think a
(44:29):
specific way about them.
Like, and it is exactly the, thefirst rule of mastery, right?
Our, our buddy.
Yeah.
Ricky, ve uh, Michael ve dammit.
Whatever.
Um, mighty.
This chapter is essentially thatchapter put into a blender and,
and spit out by a fluffy pinkbunny.
Sarah (44:50):
Oh, a
Chris (44:50):
fluffy pink bunny.
Right.
Freedom through accept.
There's a lot of, there's a lotof like, catchphrases like
freedom through acceptance.
Sarah (44:58):
Yeah.
It looks like I didn't really,um, I didn't.
Highlight so much in thischapter.
And I say it looks like,'causeI'm looking through my book
because I shared this earlier.
I read this two weeks ago, so Iobviously don't remember a
fucking thing I read.
So I'm looking at my highlightedshit and in chapter four, I
really only have two thingshighlighted, which is very odd.
(45:18):
And I'm assuming that I did thatbecause it's all shit that we've
really dug into before.
Um, and more into the, to thefopo shit of things.
Chris (45:28):
Right, right.
Again, it, it.
Like, let let other people havetheir opinions.
Like let them, let me, like, letother people have their opinions
about you.
Um, you're not going to.
You're not necessarily going todo a whole lot to change
somebody else's opinion aboutyou because they rarely even
(45:49):
think about you.
So if you are, uh, constantlyout here trying to get people
to, to think a certain way aboutyou, um, your best, your best
bet at getting people to.
Think the way that you want themto think about you is living
your life.
So then there's, there's the letyeah, the let me piece of it is
I'm gonna do the things that I'mgoing to do in the way that I
(46:12):
think is the most effective andadvantageous, and.
You know, the, the, the peoplewho are, who are my tribe, the
people who think like me, andthe people who can appreciate,
you know, the way that I am,are, are going to appreciate it
and the people who are annoyedby it are gonna be annoyed by it
and not a whole lot of me.
(46:35):
Uh, putting a lot of effort intobeing something completely
different than, than what I am.
As long as that is a good personwho, you know, is kind and
thinks about others and does allthe things that, um, living your
purpose.
Yeah.
That, that align with my valuesof that.
Mm-hmm.
Maybe those aren't everyone'svalues, but I, I do like to be a
good person and as long as I'mdoing that, then, you know,
(46:58):
sometimes I'm gonna rub peoplethe wrong way.
Yeah,
perfectly fine.
What I wrote here is that we arecollectively guiding ourselves
towards personal empowerment,and I think that's the, the
personal empowerment piece issort of like the catchphrase,
right?
Like empower.
You have to empower yourself.
But that is, that is essentiallywhat we've been talking about.
(47:22):
You're taking the control
Sarah (47:23):
back, you're giving yourself the power
Chris (47:25):
That is essentially what we've been talking about from
the beginning, like the subtle.
Giving a fuck isn't about notcaring about what people are
thinking about you, it's aboutunderstanding that it doesn't
matter, right?
Like, it's not that I don'tcare.
It's not that I don't give afuck.
It's just that there are thingsthat just don't matter.
(47:47):
They can't matter becausethey're pretend.
The the opinion delusion, Ithink is what, is what our girl
Mel calls it.
Oh, I didn't highlight that.
That's
Sarah (47:58):
amazing.
Chris (47:59):
Wasting time and energy attempting to influence others'
thoughts about them.
Like, like really, reallyputting a lot of effort into
something like working like anasshole because you want people
in your group to think thatyou're the best at what you do.
Hmm, I'm fine.
I'm fine.
I am
Sarah (48:15):
learning lessons.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think that you should start reading this book from the
beginning again.
I can't.
I can't.
I think until you can startemploying some of this, you're
just gonna have to keeprereading this particular book,
these particular chapters.
Why is it gotta be a punishment?
I don't know.
I feel like, oh, speaking ofpunishment, this is why, because
(48:37):
I'm watching the Ruby, FrankieHulu special.
That's why Is
Chris (48:40):
she the Mormon?
Is she the Mormon?
Sarah (48:42):
Yeah, she's the, where I was, I made, I was making Owen
watch it with me.
I was like, Hey, why don't yousit down with me and see what
real terrible parenting is?
Right, right.
You'll be thanking me over andover again.
Chris (48:55):
Um, my, one of my favorite podcasts is going over
Lori Vallow and Chad debell.
Oh, wow.
Also crazy as Mormons.
Right.
Wow.
That,
Sarah (49:03):
that's on a different level, man.
On a different level, but yeah,totally fucked.
Yeah.
That's a bad parent.
Yeah.
And uh, Ruby, Frankie, it'sactually her family that's being
interviewed like her eldestdaughter and son and her
husband, her ex-husband.
I'm assuming if he's not herex-husband, he's, he's an idiot.
A complete, uh, a complete MorinMorin.
(49:25):
Yes, that too.
Anyway, sorry, I didn't mean tohijack, but yes.
That's your punishment.
I have to go back and read thisuntil I can employ these things
in my life.
Got it.
And I will also be taking yourbedroom away from you, and you
will be sleeping on a smallbeanbag for seven months.
Chris (49:41):
Seems fair.
Sarah (49:42):
Yes.
Thanks, Ruby.
Chris (49:44):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Like
Sarah (49:46):
I can't, I can't even listen to that, to that stuff.
Like, and that's, I think that,I mean, I haven't even gotten
into the bad stuff yet.
Like that was, that's.
It gets so much worse.
Yeah.
So much worse.
It's fucking awful.
And there's a special place forpeople who do this shit to
children.
Chris (50:03):
So on the, anyway, on the upside, she had lots of
followers.
Sarah (50:06):
Oh my gosh.
She was very popular.
I mean, the, like he, in thefirst episode, they're talking
about how much money, and theywere making like a hundred grand
a month.
I mean, if you're, if you're,and that probably wasn't even
the top.
Like, that's like, he was getlike, he was like, yeah, we went
from a thousand a month to50,000 a month to a hundred
grand a month.
Chris (50:26):
I mean, if you're willing to sacrifice your whole family
then,
Sarah (50:29):
and that's, I mean, that's essentially what
happened.
And that's, I don't, I mean,it's much as I'd love to win the
lottery, I don't feel that it'sreally worth it.
Chris (50:37):
You, you still have to live your life in line with
your, with your values.
Sarah (50:42):
Yeah.
Her values were fucked.
Chris (50:43):
Right.
Very scary.
Um, anyway, so sorry I had to,so really, yeah, I, I mean, I
can see a lot of parallels in,in this book with all of the
other stuff that we've learnedand a lot of the tools that we
have at our disposal for helpingme understand how to, how to get
these things into, into my life.
The good thing is that I haven'tdescended to a point where I'm
(51:07):
completely burned and cryingevery day before I recognize
that this might potentially be aproblem and I need to fix it as
SAP.
Sarah (51:15):
Well, that's good.
And I mean, I think you know thewhole thing, admitting you have
the problem is the first step.
So baby steps, like I said, babysteps.
Baby steps baby.
I can't wait for us to finishrecording.
And you go back to work?
Yeah.
Well, oh.
Yeah.
Well here's the, I think Ihighly advise that when we, when
we hit the stop button that youleave your office,
Chris (51:37):
I'm going out to dinner.
Good.
Because there are other peoplein my life that were like, Hey,
haven't seen you in four weeks.
If you could just maybe come upfor air.
Yeah.
So here I am.
Yeah.
So that's
Sarah (51:48):
good.
Chris (51:48):
Yeah.
Sarah (51:49):
Yes.
So the next, the next section isactually called Fearing Other
People's Opinions.
Oh, really?
Chapter five is Let Them ThinkBad Thoughts about You.
And Chapter six is How to LoveDifficult People.
So I feel like chapter five willbe able to get through.
I mean, that'll probably be alot of repeated shit.
(52:09):
Again, I originally was gonnasay maybe we need to switch up
books, but then I read the titleof chapter six and I'm kind of
interested in in that one.
So I would like to continue on,what is it?
It's How to Love DifficultPeople.
Chris (52:23):
So I mean, I'm kind of
Sarah (52:24):
interested in it.
Chris (52:26):
Is it because Becca's difficult?
Sarah (52:28):
Mm-hmm.
Right.
Chris (52:30):
No.
Sarah (52:31):
No.
I mean it's just that there's,everybody has some difficult
people in their lives.
Mm-hmm.
And I'm not even talking aboutlike.
I don't know the people I'minterested in reading it.
If it Yeah, if it's I will, Iwill keep reading it.
Yeah.
If it's, if after that we'reseeing that it's just too, too
much of the same shit, I thinkthat maybe we should discuss
(52:53):
moving on
Chris (52:54):
cutting date, as I will still say.
Sarah (52:56):
But um, if we're getting too much replication, it's gonna
get kind of boring foreverybody, so Right.
Nobody, maybe we'll move on.
Chris (53:05):
Nobody wants to hear the same stuff.
And I, I, the next mean,obviously I need to hear the
same stuff over and over andover again.
'cause I can't apply.
Actually, actually, we shouldjust finish the book.
Sarah (53:16):
Fine.
Chris (53:16):
We'll finish it.
Sarah (53:17):
Fine, fine.
Fantastic.
All right.
Is that it?
Are you, yeah, I mean,
Chris (53:27):
short, short and sweet.
This week I, I yammered away alot about Prague I feel like.
So I think,
Sarah (53:32):
you know, after all our, um, off the rails at the
beginning.
We pulled it together short.
Sweet Bank.
Bank.
Fantastic.
All right.
A couple things to remind.
Yeah.
So, uh, April 4th at the, um,stage.
Craft, craft house.
Stage Grill.
Yeah.
Craft house.
Yeah.
You gotta get the name of theplace, right?
(53:53):
Craft House.
Stage and Grill in the SouthHills.
Okay.
Excellent.
Meet us there.
I'll be there at five o'clock.
There's a super awesome bandplaying.
It'll be so much fun.
And they have beer, so.
And Sarah's birthday is the nextday.
And my birthday's the next day.
So everybody should come out andparty with us, and Becca will be
(54:14):
there.
Okay?
Yeah.
So, yes, you'll get to meetBecca, um, and you'll get to
meet Kim d because she's gonnabe there.
'cause her birthday is actuallyon April 4th.
So we're gonna celebrate.
Substack is up, we're gonna tryto figure it out.
We have some shit to talk about,like us on Facebook.
If you, if you watch us on the,um, the YouTubes, do whatever
you do on the tubes.
Chris (54:34):
Don't, don't subscribe.
Do that, do that.
Don't do whatever you do on thetubes.
Yeah.
Like think there's buttons uphere at the top, like just like
our little thumbs, thumbs.
Do all the things bottom.
Okay.
The down the bottom.
Yeah.
Right.
Okay.
Yeah.
All of it.
All of it.
Wherever the buttons are put,
Sarah (54:50):
push all the buttons.
Push the buttons and whatever,um, platform you're listening to
us, make sure you subscribe,like, or whatever you do on that
platform.
Um, and I think that's it.
What did I miss?
Did I miss anything?
Chris (55:02):
I think that's it.
Sarah (55:03):
Okay.
Chris (55:04):
Yeah.
All love you.
All right.
Love you.
Bye.
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