March 28, 2025 • 44 mins
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Money isn't inherently good or bad—it's a tool whose impact depends entirely on the heart posture of the person using it. We examine how our motivation for desiring wealth reveals what truly matters to us and determines whether money becomes our master or serves a greater purpose.
• Children want wealth to feed the world; adults want it to escape bills and buy new things
• Solomon, the richest and wisest king in biblical history, warned that loving money leads to endless dissatisfaction
• Money requires an "assignment"—understanding its purpose prevents abuse and misuse
• Wealth without education on proper management leads to loss, as seen in celebrities who went bankrupt
• True stewardship means recognizing that all resources come from God and managing them with His purposes in mind
• We must choose which kingdom we're feeding: the visible kingdom of this world or God's eternal kingdom
• The rich young ruler revealed his true master when he walked away sorrowfully from Jesus' invitation
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
Welcome.
Welcome back to the His andHers Podcast.
I'm your host, mr U, alongsidethe Queen, hi, great to have you
guys back with us again.
As you're hopefully well aware,we do an episode every fourth
Friday of the month.
(00:44):
We are on audio only so far.
Maybe videos sometime soon tocome, but we're excited about
hearing all your comments andquestions for our show.
Of course, you can find ourshow on all of your listening
platforms Apple Podcasts, amazonMusic, iheartradio, pandora and
(01:06):
Spotify.
Wherever you get your listeningpodcasts and platforms from,
you can find the His and Herspodcast.
So we thank you again forlistening and we are excited
about today's topic.
How's it going for you today?
It's going great, all right.
All right, we're going to getinto a little bit of an
interesting topic.
We think it is anyway.
Hopefully you find it relevant.
But it's about the idea ofdesiring wealth.
(01:31):
This is a funny one, becauseall of our topics we just kind
of bring what we think is aunique perspective to the, to
the concept or the topic thatwe're talking about today.
This one is kind of in thatsame line desire and wealth.
If we ask a child, you know whydo you want to be rich?
You know, and we were childrenand we were asked that question
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and we had similar answers.
And we hear it even now today.
You know, most times a childmay respond to that question
about wanting to be rich orbeing wealthy so they can feed
the whole world, so no onestarves ever again.
You know responses like thatcoming from a child's heart.
Ask an adult that same questionwhy do you want to be rich,
child?
I got bills and I'm tired ofworking on that job.
(02:14):
I get my new car, new house,new, new, new, everything new.
And you see there's twodifferent, contrasting responses
.
But that's because the heartposture is different between the
child and an adult and when wedesire wealth, it really matters
the heart posture.
Solomon was, of course, if youread or scribe to the Bible, the
(02:37):
word of God, Solomon wasDavid's son and was considered
the wealthiest perhaps and thewisest person in scriptural
history.
And these are his words.
This is somebody who hadeverything.
He had not only money andwealth, but he had wives, he had
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favor even with his enemies, hehad peace in the land, he had
everything you could think ofGold, silver.
He had respect of leadersworldwide.
This is his response to what itmeans to have wealth Out of the
book of Ecclesiastes, chapter 5, verse 10.
It reads whoever loves moneynever has enough.
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Whoever loves wealth is neversatisfied with their income.
This, too, is meaningless.
It's easy to sit back and say,if I had this, I would do this.
This is somebody that actuallyhad it.
If you ascribe to his responseand his experience, he had money
and wealth that most of us maynever see in our entire
(03:41):
lifetimes.
And he's saying whoever lovesmoney never has enough.
It's a hole that can't befilled.
They'll always want more.
It'll never be enough.
They'll never be satisfied withwhat they have.
That's a sobering response tothis idea of desiring wealth.
I want to get into it a littlebit.
That's just a little bit ofcontext for us.
But what does it mean to desirewealth?
(04:04):
Do you want to be rich, and why?
If I was to ask you, queen,what your response was to that
question, how would you respondto that?
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Wow, that's a big one .
I desire to have a lot of money, but I want to know the
assignments for the money.
Because, I look at societytoday.
I look at things that we havegone through and how money
needed to be the answer for somethings.
(04:35):
Having money is not beingeducated about money and seeing
money as a tool to use and notletting the money rule you that
kind of rhyme.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
But go ahead, Don.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
But I really think that you know we need to
understand what money is andknow the goal that we have for
the money is, and know the goalthat we have for the money when
we don't we abuse it.
You know we talk about knowingthe purpose of a thing and if
you don't know the purpose thatyou abuse it, you know, and so I
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do desire to have money, and Ithink the reason why well, I
know the reason why because Iknow what it means to do without
.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
I know what it means to have and to be without.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
But there are things that I see now because of all
the things I've experienced inlife and getting older, you kind
of see the importance of doingthings differently and that's
why I would want the money nowin this season of my life,
because when COVID hit and welost a lot with the stocks and
(05:50):
you know all of our investmentsand just seeing where we were
and where we are now and thentrying to rebuild, but with a
different mindset- yeah, so whenyou say assignment for the
money, explain that a little bitmore for us.
Okay, say, I have a milliondollars right now and I take
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care of all of the things that Ineed to take care of, do I just
put that money away?
Or I see the hurts and thedisappointments that are all
around us, like needing anoutlet for children or the
single parent, or even newthings that we've become a part
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of now with a non-profit, justseeing the need that the
children have.
You think about families thatare going through difficult
times.
You think about everyone who islosing their jobs, you know.
You think about the foodpantries or education on food
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and health and things that wedon't have in our community,
because if you go to the storetoday and you just get the
cheapest thing that you can, itcauses health issues in our
bodies.
But if we think about justfeeding ourselves but not being
educated about what we'refeeding ourselves, whether it's
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with money or food or whateveryou know, it hurts us in the
long run that makes a lot ofsense.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
I think that whenever I think about money, wealth,
riches whatever word you want toput on it I think about.
You know how it has thecapacity to change you a plan.
But this really is a deep issuebecause it reminds me coming
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back in the day we had somethingin the neighborhood I don't
think they even have it anymore,but it's called Lotto and mom
would love this, but she wouldhave me go and play Lotto at the
corner bodega and everybody inthe neighborhood.
This is kind of just part ofthe, the neighborhood culture.
(08:06):
We go play lotto because wewere trying to get ahead.
If it was $50 here, $100, $200or $100,000, we wanted to get
ahead.
So everybody played that number, trying to win, just to get
ahead.
And I realized In watchingpeople who began to do well or
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they had some good fortune inthat regard, you know, they
responded a little bitdifferently.
They changed a little bit thepeople that we were accustomed
to knowing, or we thought weknew when they got some money.
They changed a little bit.
And we see it played out in TVand media and movies and it's
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not.
It's not.
It's not a new concept by anystretch of the imagination it's
been around.
But money has the capacity tochange you.
And I think what money does andthis is from a former athlete
who talks about this all thetime.
I love quoting him he said thatmoney just makes you bigger and
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richer, whatever you werebefore you got the money.
And I've seen people in my oldneighborhood change.
I've seen people in currentyears, since we've been married,
they got some money to theirname and they became a little
different.
They got new clothes, new cars,but what also changed was their
attitude.
They began to kind of be youknow, feel as though we were not
(09:31):
on their level anymore.
We were beneath them.
And was it the money that madethat happen?
Or was it their response to themoney?
And I'm going to just put itout here Money is money.
Money doesn't money's.
Just put it out here.
Money is not good or bad.
It's as neutral as you can get.
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It's just a resource, it's justa tool.
If you use it the right way,it'll produce great dividends.
Use it the wrong way, it'll bedetrimental to the person that
is using it.
In Matthew 25, and I talk aboutit a lot on the show, especially
on the Inspiration Station, ofcourse, you can find that on our
(10:12):
YouTube channel and, of course,on all your listening platforms
as well.
But I talk about Matthew 25because it's where the parable
of the talents is found, andit's a great analogy that Jesus
gives us in regards to this,because what happens is the
master goes away and leaves hisservants with an assignment,
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like you said, an assignment forthe money.
He gives one, five, one, twoand one, one talent or one unit
of exchange, and how theyutilize it determined, how they
utilize it determined.
You know how they be viewedfrom that point on and I think
about money in in in regards tostewardship, like that, whenever
we have money in our hands,like you said, there's an
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assignment for the money,there's a reason why we have it.
If you think it's just for youto go out and buy bubble gum,
well you know you might be alittle bit short sighted.
If you might be a little bitshort-sighted If you think it's
just for you to go and buysomething new so you can feel
good about you, or just buy somechocolate because you're not
feeling great about yourself andyou want to have some comfort
food, if you see that as a gooduse for your money.
(11:15):
That's on you, but everything,every dollar and cent, it
requires stewardship of us.
In that parable.
That's what it's talking aboutwhat's being put into our hands,
how we use it, how we utilizeit.
Everybody's always focused onthe what.
I have this, but nobody focuseson the how.
How are we supposed to use it?
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What's it supposed to be goingto?
We do that in this household,honestly.
We learned that it hasn't been29 years that we've understood
that.
We learned that it hasn't been29 years.
We've understood that.
We learned that along the way.
You know what I'm saying, butit's a valuable lesson and we
see that, okay, what comesthrough our household
financially?
We're always praying and askingGod how do we use this?
(11:56):
What's supposed to happen withthis?
I mean, yeah, you put it in thebank and whatever, but what do
we do with this?
What's this for?
What's the assignment for this?
You know, if you're justsitting here just trying to just
hoard it, you're missing it.
There has to be a reason for whyyou have that in your hand,
because money is a resource.
It's not just a materialpossession, it's a resource.
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It means you resource it, youuse it for something else.
What's it to be used for Justto get new furniture.
We've done that and it neverreally profited us.
The furniture is not even herenow.
You know what I'm saying.
So we kind of grew up in thatarea.
We matured, so we know betternow.
Okay, so what's this for?
What's the point of all thisstuff?
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But money by itself is not goodor bad you know what I'm saying
or bad by itself.
It's just a means to accomplisha specific end.
The problem and this is what weget into with this topic the
problem with this is that peopleelevate money to a place that
it's not supposed to be.
It's just a resource to dospecific things.
Hopefully, you want to do theperfect will of God with that
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money.
Hopefully, that's the wholepoint of it.
If you serve God and you belongto Him, you want to use that
money.
Hopefully, that's the wholepoint of it.
If you serve God and you belongto Him, you're going to use
that money to further Hiskingdom, to further His heart
and whatever it is he desires.
But the problem is that peoplestart to love the money.
They love the resource morethan the place where the
resource came from or the personthe resource came from.
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We give it our adoration, wegive it our respect, we give it
our praise.
And that's where the scripturethat comes in 1 Timothy 6, 9-10.
I'm going to read it real quickout of the NIV version this is
just talking about the love ofmoney.
It's not saying money is bad,but check out what it's saying.
It's talking about the love ofmoney.
It says those who want to getrich fall into temptation and a
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trap.
Listen to that.
Those who want to get rich fallinto temptation and a trap and
into many foolish and harmfuldesires that plunge people into
ruin and destruction.
Here's the part, for the loveof money is a root of all kinds
of evil.
And it goes on to talk abouthow people that are so eager to
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have money and it's all theycare about they wander from the
faith and then they afflictthemselves with many griefs,
which is like pretty sad stuff.
That's in 1 Timothy 6, 9 to 10.
So having money is not so muchto the issue here, it's the
desire to have it and why youwant to have it.
That's what this passage issaying to me, and then what your
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heart condition is in receivingit.
If somebody is a greedy person,they get money, they ain't
going to get no better.
They're going to be as greedy,if not greedier than they were
before.
It's going to amplify what theyalready are right now, before
they get it.
If they're a humble person whocares about community and they
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really want to do like thatchild did and they want to help
the world not be hungry and nothave children starving across
the world, they get money intheir hands.
Their mission is going to beclear.
They're going to do all theycan and make that goal happen,
because that's where their heartis.
It's all about heart posture.
You agree with this?
You disagree.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Yes, I agree, and that's why I think it's so
important that we be educatedwhile we're getting money and
know what the responsibilitythat we have as having money,
because we do change, and Ithink we should change, but
change for the better.
You know, because you look atpeople that have wealth in
society today, they're eitherchanging things for the better
or, a lot of times, for theworse, and they have a voice
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because they have the substanceto back up what they're saying.
They're not just talking.
You know it's one thing for usto sit here and say all the
things that we want are we goingto do, but if we don't have the
means to get it done, it's justempty words.
But when you have the money andyou can make some things happen
and you have the right heartabout it, and because we are
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believers and we want to knowGod's heart for whatever we do,
and we take that money and weask God.
You know what is the assignmentfor this, because it might be
to be put aside for anotherseason.
You know, not just to go spendit because we desire something
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or we just want something.
You know.
We know that God is going tosupply needs.
You know the scripture tell usin Mark 8, 36.
But what shall it profit a manif he shall gain the whole world
and lose his own soul?
So what if we just think aboutgetting all of this money so
that we can and a bunch ofthings, just so we could be
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satisfied, but we can't help ourfellow man.
We can't even leave anything,leave an inheritance for our
children or our grandchildren,you know, and then educate them
on keeping or sustaining or evenbuilding what they're given.
If we don't learn anything,what can we pass on?
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You think about even wealth inrelationships.
You think about wealth in yourcommunity.
You know how can you help yourfellow man or your brother or
sister come up to the next level, you know.
I think about that because ifyou're my best friend and you're
struggling and I have, what canI offer you?
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Can I just give you money andthen we both fall Because we're
not educated.
I want to learn along the way.
So if I'm ever able and Ibelieve that one day I'll be in
a place that I can help somebodybut then educate them along the
way.
Or we educate one another orgrow together to be able to
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build.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
I like that.
I like that.
That's really good.
This really just comes down tostewardship, honestly, and I
feel like that's important.
I think we need to stress thisa little bit more because I
don't think we see ourselves asstewards in this life.
I kind of feel like we just seeourselves, as I grew up, like
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this.
So I'll be honest about it.
It was my mindset for a while.
It's not at all now, but it wasat some point, you know where.
I just said you know, I'm here,not quite sure why I got to get
ahead.
I got to make it, I got toaccomplish the goal, I got to
make the dream happen, whateverthat may be, you know, and maybe
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I'll figure out who I am andwhat I'm supposed to be down the
line, but right now I can't beliving under.
I gotta, I gotta be over.
So I gotta, I gotta, I gotta beon top.
You know, and a lot of peoplewho grew up who looked like me,
they grew up with that kind ofmentality and it's like it still
goes on today.
But to be a steward, it's adifferent level because it says
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you know what.
You're here for a reason.
You're being given resourcesand opportunities for them to be
used for a reason.
To be a steward, it means thecareful and responsible
management of something that'sentrusted to your care, and it's
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like we don't look at life likethat.
But we should, though I thinkwe really should.
Let's look at this.
I'll give you an example.
We talk about the Adam and Eveaccount all the time.
They even teach it to ourchildren in Sunday school.
They're bedtime stories thesedays Right, but what was the
whole point that?
God was impressed on AdamBefore even Eve even came about.
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He was telling him you knowwhat?
I want you to steward thisgarden.
I want you to take care of it,cultivate it, grow it, grow
fruit in it, and then, at somepoint, he it to cultivate it,
grow it, grow fruit in it, andthen, at some point, he wanted
him to duplicate it throughoutthe earth, to use that Garden of
Eden model and duplicate itthroughout the earth.
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He was calling Adam, aboveeverything else, to be a steward
.
He even gave him theresponsibility to name all of
the animals, to call themWhatever you want to call them.
That's what they'll be called.
Adam was a steward, and I don'tthink that was by accident that
God put him in the position of asteward.
It can't be accident.
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God doesn't make accidents.
Everything he does has apurpose and a grand design
behind it.
So I feel like, by extension,as descendants of Adam, we're
stewards.
So I feel like, by extension,as descendants of Adam, we're
stewards.
So every time that we get, evenin the realm of finances, money,
opportunities, connections,this, this, this, it's
opportunity for stewardship forus in some way, shape or form.
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We should be careful andresponsible about how we manage
these areas.
To answer the question myself,I mean, I probably always say,
yeah, I want to be rich, youknow, but back in the day my
mindset wasn't quite right and Ithink I was thinking about I
wouldn't want.
Now somebody gave it to himlike, yeah, that comes with
strings that I can't deal within my life right now.
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I can't deal with the emotionalattachments of that.
So I still want to be wealthy.
But I recognize that even whenthat happens, I can't treat it
the way I would have treated itin the past.
There's a responsibility thatcomes with it.
I mean, if you don't believe me, stop reading, look at the
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entertainment news and just readin the magazines and look at
these people's lives, look atwhat's being said in these
articles and on these TVbroadcasts and news broadcasts
and get past the fact that thisis somebody who was so big and
now they've fallen and now we'remocking them on social media
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and making fun of them.
Let's look past the mockeryjust for a second.
I know it's going to be hardfor some people, but let's put
the mockery down just for asecond and look at people as
human people, potentially yourbrother and sister perhaps.
How hard did they have it tohave all of that stuff, all the
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responsibility, all the peoplearound they have to take care of
, they have to pay, all of theadvice they're getting from all
these voices in their life, allthis council, all these
contracts and documents.
They got to sign people inthing.
They had to come in agreementwith agenda, they had to come in
agreement with a program theyhad to come in agreement with.
And then you know and how muchrisk do they have?
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I heard somebody say a long timeago that because of the kind of
wealth that they have, they'rericher than somebody who has
more money than they do.
Because they're not bound bytheir money.
They can wake up when they wantto.
I mean, a lot of millionairescan't even do that.
They can't wake up when theywant to.
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They have to get up and go intothe boardroom and take care of
this, go take care of thesebusiness holdings and that kind
of stuff.
And they don't even have peaceladders and they can't walk down
the street.
They can't go to the store andget a sandwich.
They have to live a wholedifferent life.
So if you stand back and lookat it, it doesn't look like
freedom exactly.
It doesn't seem quite likefreedom.
So when we talk about we want tobe rich and wealthy, what does
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that actually mean?
Do we really want wealth to beseen and played out around us?
What's our measurement forwealth?
How does that look?
Because the wealth that I see,where people have all these
folks around them and stuff I'mstill introverted.
I don't want people around melike that all the time.
I don't want no cameras in myface when I'm trying to live my
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private life.
I don't want all that stuff.
But when you say you're wealthy, sometimes that kind of stuff
comes with it.
You got to ask yourself do youactually want that?
I ain't saying pick the polaropposite and be poor.
That's just dumb.
I'm not saying that, but what Iam saying is that if we're
designed to be wealthy like inRichland this podcast episode is
really all about today whatdoes that look like?
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We need to think about thatconcept before we start wishing
and praying and hoping.
What does that look like?
Does that make sense?
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Yes, it makes sense because you were saying about
duplicating yourself, you don'twant to give it all away, that
you don't have anything.
You know, we think about theHammer story and how he had all
of this wealth.
You know the dancer, rapper, mcHammer and how he gave it all
away and some of the people hegave to when he didn't have
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anything.
He went back to them to ask forsomething and they couldn't.
They wouldn't even give it tohim, even though they had it,
because they got it from him.
And you think about it.
You know you take care ofyourself first.
That's why I said about theeducation.
You know putting those thingsin place where it's drawing
interest or that you have.
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You know some holdings andthings in place where when you
give, you give it with theunderstanding of this is the
limit that I'll go.
And you know I think about evengiving to your children or your
family.
You know you don't want to giveto them so that that could be a
crutch for them.
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You still want them to learn,you still want them to grow in
their understanding as well yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
We were all growing up.
Honestly, I did have dreams ofbeing rich and wealthy.
I mean, you see it on TV, canyou kind of look like, oh, that
must be the thing you know?
But there's some times,especially in my in my teenage
years.
Rather, I didn't want to bewealthy, I didn't want to have
50 cousins that I had to takecare of.
You where I didn't want to bewealthy, I didn't want to have
50 cousins that I had to takecare of.
Yeah, you know I didn't wantthat.
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I'm like my family wasn't thebest family in the world, let's
be real about it, but I didn'twant 50 cousins to pop up
because I was wealthy.
Oh man, we always knew we weregoing to make it and they all
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around you with their hand outthat's kind of how it looks and
stuff.
This is scripture in Luke 12 and15.
I want to just read it.
I think it's so important tothis area.
Excuse me, I know people sayyou know money answers
everything and they treat moneyas the answer to all of life
worries.
But think about those rich folksI was telling you about.
Look at what they have to dealwith.
You would think that they haveall these, you know, all this
joy and all this happiness.
But they wouldn't killthemselves if they had all this
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joy and happiness.
They wouldn't be a recluse andthey wouldn't even want to come
out of their house because theyhad to be in front of cameras
and have all kinds of scrutiny.
They can't sit down at arestaurant with their wife and
eat because they have cameras intheir face, people trying to
get them to sign autographs.
That's not happiness, that'snot joy.
You live in as a prisoner andif you're not, if you're not
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careful and you treat money thewrong way, anything other than a
resource it can become thatcheck out Luke 12 and 15.
It says watch out, be on yourguard against all kinds of greed
.
Life does not consist in anabundance of possessions.
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That's powerful.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
It reminds me of a young lady.
I went to school with Her dad,never spent time with them.
He worked so that they couldhave a lot of stuff and go a lot
of places.
They had a yacht, they had abeach house.
They had a villa somewhere.
They had a $500,000 home.
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I mean, back then that washumongous for yeah because I'm a
little older, what?
But you know, and all of themdrove really nice cars.
When she got her driver'slicense she was able to pick out
what kind of car she wanted andshe had a Mercedes, you know,
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and this is middle school andgoing into high school, and but
she never spent time with herdad.
She didn't know his favoritecolor, they never got to spend
birthdays and most of the timeshe didn't get to spend birthdays
with them because he was steady, trying to keep up with all of
the stuff that they had wow Ithought that was really sad and
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she was always miserable, so shedidn't even know how to deal
with guys.
You know, even with her brotherhe didn't have a role model, so
he would act out.
They would do things that wasbad in order to get their dad's
attention.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
That is sad.
Yeah, it really is.
You know, that passage in Lukeis a reminder for us to keep our
guard up.
Yes, if we know better,especially as believers, if we
know better and any believersthat are listening to this, this
is really for you we knowbetter.
We've got to keep our guard up.
We've got to protect our hearts.
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The Bible says in Proverbs 4and 23 that out of our hearts
come the issues of life.
We've got to protect our hearts.
People think that money is theanswer to living a great life.
If answer to living a greatlife, if you look around you,
contrary to what the world issaying, is a workable solution.
Look around and I watched allthese celebrities, so-called
celebrities and stuff for a longtime, for 50 years, and then
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some and I've never seen anythat lived a great life solely
because of money.
I feel like there's always somethings that we never knew about
and, of course, they alwaysseem to come out and people are
shocked like, oh my, I didn'tknow that was good.
How could you?
All you see is the stuff thatthey have.
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You can't see what they gothrough in life and I feel like
money just distracts you fromthe things that are most
valuable in life.
You from the things that aremost valuable in life.
And if you are, if you listento what we just talked about,
with the richest, wisest man inbiblical history, or maybe
perhaps in any history, kingSolomon.
He's saying that you can haveall of it, but you'll still be
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unsatisfied.
You'll never be able to fillthe hole, the gap, and you'll
never be able to be content.
You'll always be able to fillthe hole, the gap, and you'll
never be able to be content.
You'll always be constantlyseeking.
You'll be walking in greed,you'll always try to have more
and more, but you'll never beable to be satisfied.
I don't know what kind of lifethat is.
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Imagine if you had a thirst thatyou couldn't quench.
I mean, if I drink too much, Ifeel bloated.
If I eat too much, I feelbloated.
If I eat too much, I can't move.
I don't want to walk, I don'teven want to sit, I want to just
lay down on the floor and juststay there until I feel better.
So that's just with food anddrink.
Imagine if you had all thiswealth and you still didn't feel
like you can function, doanything.
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You still wouldn't be satisfied.
You still feel like you justhave all this stuff and you
can't even function in your life.
I think it's something to bethought of, because whenever we
talk about being wealthy andwanting riches, I think we need
to define what that is.
We need to put some boundarieson what that looks like.
What does that mean?
There's some people who wantedthat and it was inherited and
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they received it and didn't knowwhat to do with it.
We passed by houses all thetime in our neighborhood, people
who inherited property and landand they couldn't function.
They couldn't handle the taxes,they couldn't handle the upkeep
, and now the places are justsitting there, empty fields, and
it looks like it's just a rat'snest and the houses are
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dilapidated and they can't getanybody to move into them and
they can't get anybody to movethem away or renovate them and
they had plenty, but they can'thandle what they were given.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
That reminds me of a TV show that used to come on.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
What TV show?
Speaker 2 (31:20):
I don't remember the name of it, but Ty Pendleton was
on it, I think that was hisname, and it was like move that
bus.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Extreme makeover.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Extreme home makeover yes.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
And I didn't even watch it, so I knew that.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
But they had a special that came on talking
about all of the people thatthey build houses for, because
there was no education for thepeople to be able to upkeep the
houses that was built for them.
They complained about the lightbill, they complained about the
upkeep of the house.
(31:52):
Even though they got a freehouse, didn't have to pay a
penny for it.
The?
Um some of the equipment theyput in there was so expensive
they couldn't?
Um take care of it, even someof the vehicles, because?
And then they were even givenmoney, but they spent the money
and didn't know how to maintainwhat they were given, and I just
(32:13):
thought that was really sad.
And so that's why they canceledthe show, because the people
complained about what they weregiven.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Wow.
I know some people are probablylistening to say, oh, that
would never happen to me, whynot?
Why not you?
That's the kind of hard posturethat leaves us susceptible to
issues just like this when wesit here and we think, oh, it
can't happen to us, well, I'mnever going to do that, I'm
never going to be like Blank.
(32:40):
And then we get in a situationand we do exactly what blank did
, the thing that we said wenever would do.
This is an opportunity for us tolook at those things around us
and learn from them, and not dothe things that we see, not
because we're bold or we thinkwe're so righteous or we're so
smart or so wise excuse me butthat we look at the situation
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and we learn from it.
These people that are havingall of these situations around
us whether it be in thecelebrity entertainment world or
even in your personal life,people that you know, who you've
seen, have struggles like this.
These are lessons.
The only reason why you see itis because you have a
responsibility to notice it andto do something about it.
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Not go into their life andchange their lives, but to learn
from that and not duplicate it.
There are a lot of things thatwe never see and we never hear
about.
Those aren't ourresponsibilities.
But the thing that we are ableto see and we do learn from
those examples around us, it'sour responsibility to learn from
them, to gain perspective, tomake wise choices with the
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resources that we're being given.
There's a passage and thisshould be the last one for today
In the book of Matthew, the19th chapter, verse 16 to 22,.
It's where a rich young rulerwas asking Jesus how can I have
eternal life?
And he began to quote all ofthe good things that he was
doing.
He began to quote all thecommandments that he lived his
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whole life by, since he was ayoungster.
And Jesus said very well, it'sgood that you did that.
And he said well, I did allthese things for my youth.
What am I lacking?
What am I missing?
Why don't I feel like I shouldbe feeling?
You know that revealed.
Let's stop there for a second.
That revealed so much to me.
What that told me was that if hecame to Jesus in the first
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place, as insanely rough as hewas, it tells me that he wasn't
satisfied.
The same thing that we said,that King Solomon said, was
played out right here in Matthew19.
I really believe that's what'shappening right here, because
why would he even come to him atall For what?
He came to him saying what goodthing should I do to have
eternal life?
That means he knew he didn'thave it.
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With all his wealth, he didn'thave eternal life.
He didn't have the peace ofknowing that when he left this
earth his life would be, or hissoul would be, in good standing.
So he knew that.
That's why he came to Jesus inthe first place, and he quoted
all the things that he did sincehe was a youth, all the
commandments he followed.
He didn't commit adultery, hedidn't commit murder, he didn't
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bear false witness, he didn'tsteal, he honored his father and
his mother, loved his neighboras himself.
He did all the things that thecommandments said he was
supposed to do.
He said what am I lacking, whatam I missing?
And Jesus said if you want tobe perfect, go and sell all that
you have and give it to thepoor, and you have treasure in
heaven and come and follow me.
And I believe that this is thecall that many of us are hearing
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the same thing All the thingsthat you were supposed to be
doing well, that's fine, butthere's always one area, there's
always one area where we arenot truly giving or committed to
to the purpose of why we'rehere, the resources that we're
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being given, the life that we'resupposed to be leading, and his
was revealed.
Jesus revealed his to him, thepurpose of why we're here, the
resources that we're being given, the life that we're supposed
to be leading, and his wasrevealed.
Jesus revealed his to him.
And basically what he wassaying was your money rules you.
You did all the commandments,you live all those things, and
that's fine, but your moneyrules you.
And the Bible says that no mancan serve two masters.
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You can't serve money and Godat the same time.
And that's what he was tryingto accomplish.
He wanted to keep his money,but he wanted to know what thing
he should do in order to haveeternal life.
And if you're faced with asituation where you desire to be
wealthy and it's your goal youwork hard to make that happen.
It's your everyday process.
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To get to that top of themountain and be the king of the
hill, to have that kind oflifestyle, you have to know that
you're going.
You're going there.
God's going to require you knowyour heart and you can't.
And you have to choose betweenyou know the immense wealth and
you know and a relationship withGod and having that contentment
(37:04):
of knowing you have eternallife and having that peace in
salvation and such.
So the ruler was faced withthat and he walked away
sorrowful.
He walked away heavy-heartedbecause he had so many
possessions and the idea ofgiving them all up was too much
for him to handle.
So he walked away from eternallife.
He looked eternal life in theface, looked it in the face and
(37:28):
walked away from it because heloves his possessions more.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Wow, that's heavy, you know.
I know we're talking aboutwealth and about being educated
and being able to give to others.
You know that's not saying thatwe can't use what God gives us.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Our hearts have to be right More than anything.
Our hearts have to be rightBecause we think about our
hearts being circumcised and cutaway from the things that are
just going to take us away fromGod.
You know, and it can be goodthings that we want to do, but
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those good things could evenpull us away.
So sometimes we have to leavesome of those good things behind
and stay focused on the purpose.
That's why I talk about theassignment.
Whatever the assignment is, Ilike that.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
And just to be clear, I know I said the last
scripture, but, sorry, I can'thelp myself.
I have one more Deuteronomy 8,17 to 18.
I love this one because we usedto quote it all the time as we
first stepped into our faith,but basically saying that you
know that it's the Lord, god,who gives us the ability to
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produce wealth, or the power toget wealth.
And he did that because he madea covenant with God, with his
people, with the children ofAbraham, and he swore to the
ancestors that they were goingto have, they were going to have
wealth and they were going tohave prosperity.
So by giving us wealth, he'skeeping his promise.
So just to be clear, god hasgiven us the ability and the
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power to gain wealth.
So that means he wants you tohave it.
So don't get me wrong when Isay oh, mr Euston, we can't have
wealth.
I don't think I've ever saidthat on this episode.
Mr Euston, we can't have wealth.
I don't think I've ever saidthat on this episode.
But just to be clear,deuteronomy 8, 17, and 18, which
we agree with says that Godgives you the power to get
wealth.
It's part of his covenant withhis people.
He promised it centuries agoand it's the promise being
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fulfilled.
So he wants you to have that.
But the challenge is that, likeknow, like the queen said, our
heart, posture, our perspectiveon this.
If we have a clear perspective,then we'll take those resources
that we're being given whetherit be money from businesses and
ventures and holdings and etcetera and we will operate and
function in this world withGod's heart in mind.
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It'd be the motivation for whywe do what we do.
It won't be because I want toget a greater name, I want to be
on a magazine, I want my nameon top of a building symbol or
have a street name after me.
The motivation would be what isGod's heart?
What does he want us to do withthis?
How does he want us to functionas ambassadors for his kingdom?
At the end of the day, you, wehave a couple of options.
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We talked about serving God andmoney.
We understand we can't serveboth.
We got to pick one.
But also we got to understandthat we are Faced with two
kingdoms.
We're faced with the kingdom ofGod, which is the one that's
intangible, that we don't oftensee in front of us.
We can't reach out and grab itA lot of the times, or the
kingdom of this world.
We got two options, and somepeople have chased the kingdom
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of the world because they cansee it.
They can see the money.
They can see what you can buywith money, how many cars and
boats you can buy, how many lakehouses you can buy.
We can see it.
But we're faced with an optionthere which kingdom are we going
to be feeding into?
The one that we feed is goingto be the one that's going to be
most dominant in our life.
Which one are we feeding?
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So it's not that the Lorddoesn't want you to have money.
Please understand that he's theruler of all things.
My favorite Psalm Psalm 24,says it that the earth is the
Lord and the fullness thereof,the world and they that dwell
therein.
Everything in the world belongsthey.
That the world, they're in,everything in the world belongs
to him.
We're just managing for himwhat he's giving to us.
You might think you're earningit and you're going out here,
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you're hustling, but it's comingto you only because he's
allowing it to come to you.
It's not because you're sogreat.
You did it all by yourself.
So let's bust that bubble rightquick, but just to kind of
close out any any other thoughtsabout this topic.
I know we talked about a lot ofdifferent stuff.
If you guys have any questionsor comments about what you've
been hearing so far, please dropit in the comment section.
Whether you find this episode,we'd be happy to answer any
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questions you have.
We'll kind of continue to speak.
We'll keep the conversationgoing offline on all of our
social media platforms and ourlistening platforms, but Queen
any thoughts beyond that aboutthis?
Speaker 2 (41:59):
Just guard your heart .
That's so important.
That's all I have to say.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
That's enough.
This has been a very rivetingepisode.
I was so excited about this,though, but because we need to
talk about this kind of stuff,we don't talk about it enough
and we definitely have a lot tolearn.
I know we do personally, butperhaps this episode minutes of
you.
We don't talk about it enoughand we definitely have a lot to
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learn.
I know we do personally, butperhaps this episode minutes of
you.
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So we thank you again forlistening and we are excited
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How's it going for you today?
It's going great, all right.
All right, we're going to getinto a little bit of an
interesting topic.
We think it is anyway.
Hopefully you find it relevant.
But it's about the idea ofdesiring wealth.
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This is a funny one, becauseall of our topics we just kind
of bring what we think is aunique perspective to the, to
the concept or the topic thatwe're talking about today.
This one is kind of in thatsame line desire and wealth.
If we ask a child, you know whydo you want to be rich?
You know, and we were childrenand we were asked that question
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and we had similar answers.
And we hear it even now today.
You know, most times a childmay respond to that question
about wanting to be rich orbeing wealthy so they can feed
the whole world, so no onestarves ever again.
You know responses like thatcoming from a child's heart.
Ask an adult that same questionwhy do you want to be rich,
child?
I got bills and I'm tired ofworking on that job.
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I get my new car, new house,new, new, new, everything new.
And you see there's twodifferent, contrasting responses
.
But that's because the heartposture is different between the
child and an adult and when wedesire wealth, it really matters
the heart posture.
Solomon was, of course, if youread or scribe to the Bible, the
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word of God, Solomon wasDavid's son and was considered
the wealthiest perhaps and thewisest person in scriptural
history.
And these are his words.
This is somebody who hadeverything.
He had not only money andwealth, but he had wives, he had
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favor even with his enemies, hehad peace in the land, he had
everything you could think ofGold, silver.
He had respect of leadersworldwide.
This is his response to what itmeans to have wealth Out of the
book of Ecclesiastes, chapter 5, verse 10.
It reads whoever loves moneynever has enough.
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Whoever loves wealth is neversatisfied with their income.
This, too, is meaningless.
It's easy to sit back and say,if I had this, I would do this.
This is somebody that actuallyhad it.
If you ascribe to his responseand his experience, he had money
and wealth that most of us maynever see in our entire
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lifetimes.
And he's saying whoever lovesmoney never has enough.
It's a hole that can't befilled.
They'll always want more.
It'll never be enough.
They'll never be satisfied withwhat they have.
That's a sobering response tothis idea of desiring wealth.
I want to get into it a littlebit.
That's just a little bit ofcontext for us.
But what does it mean to desirewealth?
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Do you want to be rich, and why?
If I was to ask you, queen,what your response was to that
question, how would you respondto that?
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Wow, that's a big one .
I desire to have a lot of money, but I want to know the
assignments for the money.
Because, I look at societytoday.
I look at things that we havegone through and how money
needed to be the answer for somethings.
(04:35):
Having money is not beingeducated about money and seeing
money as a tool to use and notletting the money rule you that
kind of rhyme.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
But go ahead, Don.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
But I really think that you know we need to
understand what money is andknow the goal that we have for
the money is, and know the goalthat we have for the money when
we don't we abuse it.
You know we talk about knowingthe purpose of a thing and if
you don't know the purpose thatyou abuse it, you know, and so I
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do desire to have money, and Ithink the reason why well, I
know the reason why because Iknow what it means to do without
.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
I know what it means to have and to be without.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
But there are things that I see now because of all
the things I've experienced inlife and getting older, you kind
of see the importance of doingthings differently and that's
why I would want the money nowin this season of my life,
because when COVID hit and welost a lot with the stocks and
(05:50):
you know all of our investmentsand just seeing where we were
and where we are now and thentrying to rebuild, but with a
different mindset- yeah, so whenyou say assignment for the
money, explain that a little bitmore for us.
Okay, say, I have a milliondollars right now and I take
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care of all of the things that Ineed to take care of, do I just
put that money away?
Or I see the hurts and thedisappointments that are all
around us, like needing anoutlet for children or the
single parent, or even newthings that we've become a part
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of now with a non-profit, justseeing the need that the
children have.
You think about families thatare going through difficult
times.
You think about everyone who islosing their jobs, you know.
You think about the foodpantries or education on food
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and health and things that wedon't have in our community,
because if you go to the storetoday and you just get the
cheapest thing that you can, itcauses health issues in our
bodies.
But if we think about justfeeding ourselves but not being
educated about what we'refeeding ourselves, whether it's
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with money or food or whateveryou know, it hurts us in the
long run that makes a lot ofsense.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
I think that whenever I think about money, wealth,
riches whatever word you want toput on it I think about.
You know how it has thecapacity to change you a plan.
But this really is a deep issuebecause it reminds me coming
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back in the day we had somethingin the neighborhood I don't
think they even have it anymore,but it's called Lotto and mom
would love this, but she wouldhave me go and play Lotto at the
corner bodega and everybody inthe neighborhood.
This is kind of just part ofthe, the neighborhood culture.
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We go play lotto because wewere trying to get ahead.
If it was $50 here, $100, $200or $100,000, we wanted to get
ahead.
So everybody played that number, trying to win, just to get
ahead.
And I realized In watchingpeople who began to do well or
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they had some good fortune inthat regard, you know, they
responded a little bitdifferently.
They changed a little bit thepeople that we were accustomed
to knowing, or we thought weknew when they got some money.
They changed a little bit.
And we see it played out in TVand media and movies and it's
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not.
It's not.
It's not a new concept by anystretch of the imagination it's
been around.
But money has the capacity tochange you.
And I think what money does andthis is from a former athlete
who talks about this all thetime.
I love quoting him he said thatmoney just makes you bigger and
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richer, whatever you werebefore you got the money.
And I've seen people in my oldneighborhood change.
I've seen people in currentyears, since we've been married,
they got some money to theirname and they became a little
different.
They got new clothes, new cars,but what also changed was their
attitude.
They began to kind of be youknow, feel as though we were not
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on their level anymore.
We were beneath them.
And was it the money that madethat happen?
Or was it their response to themoney?
And I'm going to just put itout here Money is money.
Money doesn't money's.
Just put it out here.
Money is not good or bad.
It's as neutral as you can get.
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It's just a resource, it's justa tool.
If you use it the right way,it'll produce great dividends.
Use it the wrong way, it'll bedetrimental to the person that
is using it.
In Matthew 25, and I talk aboutit a lot on the show, especially
on the Inspiration Station, ofcourse, you can find that on our
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YouTube channel and, of course,on all your listening platforms
as well.
But I talk about Matthew 25because it's where the parable
of the talents is found, andit's a great analogy that Jesus
gives us in regards to this,because what happens is the
master goes away and leaves hisservants with an assignment,
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like you said, an assignment forthe money.
He gives one, five, one, twoand one, one talent or one unit
of exchange, and how theyutilize it determined, how they
utilize it determined.
You know how they be viewedfrom that point on and I think
about money in in in regards tostewardship, like that, whenever
we have money in our hands,like you said, there's an
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assignment for the money,there's a reason why we have it.
If you think it's just for youto go out and buy bubble gum,
well you know you might be alittle bit short sighted.
If you might be a little bitshort-sighted If you think it's
just for you to go and buysomething new so you can feel
good about you, or just buy somechocolate because you're not
feeling great about yourself andyou want to have some comfort
food, if you see that as a gooduse for your money.
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That's on you, but everything,every dollar and cent, it
requires stewardship of us.
In that parable.
That's what it's talking aboutwhat's being put into our hands,
how we use it, how we utilizeit.
Everybody's always focused onthe what.
I have this, but nobody focuseson the how.
How are we supposed to use it?
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What's it supposed to be goingto?
We do that in this household,honestly.
We learned that it hasn't been29 years that we've understood
that.
We learned that it hasn't been29 years.
We've understood that.
We learned that along the way.
You know what I'm saying, butit's a valuable lesson and we
see that, okay, what comesthrough our household
financially?
We're always praying and askingGod how do we use this?
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What's supposed to happen withthis?
I mean, yeah, you put it in thebank and whatever, but what do
we do with this?
What's this for?
What's the assignment for this?
You know, if you're justsitting here just trying to just
hoard it, you're missing it.
There has to be a reason for whyyou have that in your hand,
because money is a resource.
It's not just a materialpossession, it's a resource.
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It means you resource it, youuse it for something else.
What's it to be used for Justto get new furniture.
We've done that and it neverreally profited us.
The furniture is not even herenow.
You know what I'm saying.
So we kind of grew up in thatarea.
We matured, so we know betternow.
Okay, so what's this for?
What's the point of all thisstuff?
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But money by itself is not goodor bad you know what I'm saying
or bad by itself.
It's just a means to accomplisha specific end.
The problem and this is what weget into with this topic the
problem with this is that peopleelevate money to a place that
it's not supposed to be.
It's just a resource to dospecific things.
Hopefully, you want to do theperfect will of God with that
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money.
Hopefully, that's the wholepoint of it.
If you serve God and you belongto Him, you want to use that
money.
Hopefully, that's the wholepoint of it.
If you serve God and you belongto Him, you're going to use
that money to further Hiskingdom, to further His heart
and whatever it is he desires.
But the problem is that peoplestart to love the money.
They love the resource morethan the place where the
resource came from or the personthe resource came from.
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We give it our adoration, wegive it our respect, we give it
our praise.
And that's where the scripturethat comes in 1 Timothy 6, 9-10.
I'm going to read it real quickout of the NIV version this is
just talking about the love ofmoney.
It's not saying money is bad,but check out what it's saying.
It's talking about the love ofmoney.
It says those who want to getrich fall into temptation and a
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trap.
Listen to that.
Those who want to get rich fallinto temptation and a trap and
into many foolish and harmfuldesires that plunge people into
ruin and destruction.
Here's the part, for the loveof money is a root of all kinds
of evil.
And it goes on to talk abouthow people that are so eager to
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have money and it's all theycare about they wander from the
faith and then they afflictthemselves with many griefs,
which is like pretty sad stuff.
That's in 1 Timothy 6, 9 to 10.
So having money is not so muchto the issue here, it's the
desire to have it and why youwant to have it.
That's what this passage issaying to me, and then what your
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heart condition is in receivingit.
If somebody is a greedy person,they get money, they ain't
going to get no better.
They're going to be as greedy,if not greedier than they were
before.
It's going to amplify what theyalready are right now, before
they get it.
If they're a humble person whocares about community and they
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really want to do like thatchild did and they want to help
the world not be hungry and nothave children starving across
the world, they get money intheir hands.
Their mission is going to beclear.
They're going to do all theycan and make that goal happen,
because that's where their heartis.
It's all about heart posture.
You agree with this?
You disagree.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Yes, I agree, and that's why I think it's so
important that we be educatedwhile we're getting money and
know what the responsibilitythat we have as having money,
because we do change, and Ithink we should change, but
change for the better.
You know, because you look atpeople that have wealth in
society today, they're eitherchanging things for the better
or, a lot of times, for theworse, and they have a voice
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because they have the substanceto back up what they're saying.
They're not just talking.
You know it's one thing for usto sit here and say all the
things that we want are we goingto do, but if we don't have the
means to get it done, it's justempty words.
But when you have the money andyou can make some things happen
and you have the right heartabout it, and because we are
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believers and we want to knowGod's heart for whatever we do,
and we take that money and weask God.
You know what is the assignmentfor this, because it might be
to be put aside for anotherseason.
You know, not just to go spendit because we desire something
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or we just want something.
You know.
We know that God is going tosupply needs.
You know the scripture tell usin Mark 8, 36.
But what shall it profit a manif he shall gain the whole world
and lose his own soul?
So what if we just think aboutgetting all of this money so
that we can and a bunch ofthings, just so we could be
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satisfied, but we can't help ourfellow man.
We can't even leave anything,leave an inheritance for our
children or our grandchildren,you know, and then educate them
on keeping or sustaining or evenbuilding what they're given.
If we don't learn anything,what can we pass on?
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You think about even wealth inrelationships.
You think about wealth in yourcommunity.
You know how can you help yourfellow man or your brother or
sister come up to the next level, you know.
I think about that because ifyou're my best friend and you're
struggling and I have, what canI offer you?
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Can I just give you money andthen we both fall Because we're
not educated.
I want to learn along the way.
So if I'm ever able and Ibelieve that one day I'll be in
a place that I can help somebodybut then educate them along the
way.
Or we educate one another orgrow together to be able to
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build.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
I like that.
I like that.
That's really good.
This really just comes down tostewardship, honestly, and I
feel like that's important.
I think we need to stress thisa little bit more because I
don't think we see ourselves asstewards in this life.
I kind of feel like we just seeourselves, as I grew up, like
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this.
So I'll be honest about it.
It was my mindset for a while.
It's not at all now, but it wasat some point, you know where.
I just said you know, I'm here,not quite sure why I got to get
ahead.
I got to make it, I got toaccomplish the goal, I got to
make the dream happen, whateverthat may be, you know, and maybe
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I'll figure out who I am andwhat I'm supposed to be down the
line, but right now I can't beliving under.
I gotta, I gotta be over.
So I gotta, I gotta, I gotta beon top.
You know, and a lot of peoplewho grew up who looked like me,
they grew up with that kind ofmentality and it's like it still
goes on today.
But to be a steward, it's adifferent level because it says
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you know what.
You're here for a reason.
You're being given resourcesand opportunities for them to be
used for a reason.
To be a steward, it means thecareful and responsible
management of something that'sentrusted to your care, and it's
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like we don't look at life likethat.
But we should, though I thinkwe really should.
Let's look at this.
I'll give you an example.
We talk about the Adam and Eveaccount all the time.
They even teach it to ourchildren in Sunday school.
They're bedtime stories thesedays Right, but what was the
whole point that?
God was impressed on AdamBefore even Eve even came about.
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He was telling him you knowwhat?
I want you to steward thisgarden.
I want you to take care of it,cultivate it, grow it, grow
fruit in it, and then, at somepoint, he it to cultivate it,
grow it, grow fruit in it, andthen, at some point, he wanted
him to duplicate it throughoutthe earth, to use that Garden of
Eden model and duplicate itthroughout the earth.
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He was calling Adam, aboveeverything else, to be a steward
.
He even gave him theresponsibility to name all of
the animals, to call themWhatever you want to call them.
That's what they'll be called.
Adam was a steward, and I don'tthink that was by accident that
God put him in the position of asteward.
It can't be accident.
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God doesn't make accidents.
Everything he does has apurpose and a grand design
behind it.
So I feel like, by extension,as descendants of Adam, we're
stewards.
So I feel like, by extension,as descendants of Adam, we're
stewards.
So every time that we get, evenin the realm of finances, money,
opportunities, connections,this, this, this, it's
opportunity for stewardship forus in some way, shape or form.
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We should be careful andresponsible about how we manage
these areas.
To answer the question myself,I mean, I probably always say,
yeah, I want to be rich, youknow, but back in the day my
mindset wasn't quite right and Ithink I was thinking about I
wouldn't want.
Now somebody gave it to himlike, yeah, that comes with
strings that I can't deal within my life right now.
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I can't deal with the emotionalattachments of that.
So I still want to be wealthy.
But I recognize that even whenthat happens, I can't treat it
the way I would have treated itin the past.
There's a responsibility thatcomes with it.
I mean, if you don't believe me, stop reading, look at the
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entertainment news and just readin the magazines and look at
these people's lives, look atwhat's being said in these
articles and on these TVbroadcasts and news broadcasts
and get past the fact that thisis somebody who was so big and
now they've fallen and now we'remocking them on social media
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and making fun of them.
Let's look past the mockeryjust for a second.
I know it's going to be hardfor some people, but let's put
the mockery down just for asecond and look at people as
human people, potentially yourbrother and sister perhaps.
How hard did they have it tohave all of that stuff, all the
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responsibility, all the peoplearound they have to take care of
, they have to pay, all of theadvice they're getting from all
these voices in their life, allthis council, all these
contracts and documents.
They got to sign people inthing.
They had to come in agreementwith agenda, they had to come in
agreement with a program theyhad to come in agreement with.
And then you know and how muchrisk do they have?
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I heard somebody say a long timeago that because of the kind of
wealth that they have, they'rericher than somebody who has
more money than they do.
Because they're not bound bytheir money.
They can wake up when they wantto.
I mean, a lot of millionairescan't even do that.
They can't wake up when theywant to.
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They have to get up and go intothe boardroom and take care of
this, go take care of thesebusiness holdings and that kind
of stuff.
And they don't even have peaceladders and they can't walk down
the street.
They can't go to the store andget a sandwich.
They have to live a wholedifferent life.
So if you stand back and lookat it, it doesn't look like
freedom exactly.
It doesn't seem quite likefreedom.
So when we talk about we want tobe rich and wealthy, what does
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that actually mean?
Do we really want wealth to beseen and played out around us?
What's our measurement forwealth?
How does that look?
Because the wealth that I see,where people have all these
folks around them and stuff I'mstill introverted.
I don't want people around melike that all the time.
I don't want no cameras in myface when I'm trying to live my
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private life.
I don't want all that stuff.
But when you say you're wealthy, sometimes that kind of stuff
comes with it.
You got to ask yourself do youactually want that?
I ain't saying pick the polaropposite and be poor.
That's just dumb.
I'm not saying that, but what Iam saying is that if we're
designed to be wealthy like inRichland this podcast episode is
really all about today whatdoes that look like?
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We need to think about thatconcept before we start wishing
and praying and hoping.
What does that look like?
Does that make sense?
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Yes, it makes sense because you were saying about
duplicating yourself, you don'twant to give it all away, that
you don't have anything.
You know, we think about theHammer story and how he had all
of this wealth.
You know the dancer, rapper, mcHammer and how he gave it all
away and some of the people hegave to when he didn't have
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anything.
He went back to them to ask forsomething and they couldn't.
They wouldn't even give it tohim, even though they had it,
because they got it from him.
And you think about it.
You know you take care ofyourself first.
That's why I said about theeducation.
You know putting those thingsin place where it's drawing
interest or that you have.
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You know some holdings andthings in place where when you
give, you give it with theunderstanding of this is the
limit that I'll go.
And you know I think about evengiving to your children or your
family.
You know you don't want to giveto them so that that could be a
crutch for them.
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You still want them to learn,you still want them to grow in
their understanding as well yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
We were all growing up.
Honestly, I did have dreams ofbeing rich and wealthy.
I mean, you see it on TV, canyou kind of look like, oh, that
must be the thing you know?
But there's some times,especially in my in my teenage
years.
Rather, I didn't want to bewealthy, I didn't want to have
50 cousins that I had to takecare of.
You where I didn't want to bewealthy, I didn't want to have
50 cousins that I had to takecare of.
Yeah, you know I didn't wantthat.
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I'm like my family wasn't thebest family in the world, let's
be real about it, but I didn'twant 50 cousins to pop up
because I was wealthy.
Oh man, we always knew we weregoing to make it and they all
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around you with their hand outthat's kind of how it looks and
stuff.
This is scripture in Luke 12 and15.
I want to just read it.
I think it's so important tothis area.
Excuse me, I know people sayyou know money answers
everything and they treat moneyas the answer to all of life
worries.
But think about those rich folksI was telling you about.
Look at what they have to dealwith.
You would think that they haveall these, you know, all this
joy and all this happiness.
But they wouldn't killthemselves if they had all this
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joy and happiness.
They wouldn't be a recluse andthey wouldn't even want to come
out of their house because theyhad to be in front of cameras
and have all kinds of scrutiny.
They can't sit down at arestaurant with their wife and
eat because they have cameras intheir face, people trying to
get them to sign autographs.
That's not happiness, that'snot joy.
You live in as a prisoner andif you're not, if you're not
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careful and you treat money thewrong way, anything other than a
resource it can become thatcheck out Luke 12 and 15.
It says watch out, be on yourguard against all kinds of greed
.
Life does not consist in anabundance of possessions.
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That's powerful.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
It reminds me of a young lady.
I went to school with Her dad,never spent time with them.
He worked so that they couldhave a lot of stuff and go a lot
of places.
They had a yacht, they had abeach house.
They had a villa somewhere.
They had a $500,000 home.
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I mean, back then that washumongous for yeah because I'm a
little older, what?
But you know, and all of themdrove really nice cars.
When she got her driver'slicense she was able to pick out
what kind of car she wanted andshe had a Mercedes, you know,
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and this is middle school andgoing into high school, and but
she never spent time with herdad.
She didn't know his favoritecolor, they never got to spend
birthdays and most of the timeshe didn't get to spend birthdays
with them because he was steady, trying to keep up with all of
the stuff that they had wow Ithought that was really sad and
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she was always miserable, so shedidn't even know how to deal
with guys.
You know, even with her brotherhe didn't have a role model, so
he would act out.
They would do things that wasbad in order to get their dad's
attention.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
That is sad.
Yeah, it really is.
You know, that passage in Lukeis a reminder for us to keep our
guard up.
Yes, if we know better,especially as believers, if we
know better and any believersthat are listening to this, this
is really for you we knowbetter.
We've got to keep our guard up.
We've got to protect our hearts.
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The Bible says in Proverbs 4and 23 that out of our hearts
come the issues of life.
We've got to protect our hearts.
People think that money is theanswer to living a great life.
If answer to living a greatlife, if you look around you,
contrary to what the world issaying, is a workable solution.
Look around and I watched allthese celebrities, so-called
celebrities and stuff for a longtime, for 50 years, and then
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some and I've never seen anythat lived a great life solely
because of money.
I feel like there's always somethings that we never knew about
and, of course, they alwaysseem to come out and people are
shocked like, oh my, I didn'tknow that was good.
How could you?
All you see is the stuff thatthey have.
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You can't see what they gothrough in life and I feel like
money just distracts you fromthe things that are most
valuable in life.
You from the things that aremost valuable in life.
And if you are, if you listento what we just talked about,
with the richest, wisest man inbiblical history, or maybe
perhaps in any history, kingSolomon.
He's saying that you can haveall of it, but you'll still be
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unsatisfied.
You'll never be able to fillthe hole, the gap, and you'll
never be able to be content.
You'll always be able to fillthe hole, the gap, and you'll
never be able to be content.
You'll always be constantlyseeking.
You'll be walking in greed,you'll always try to have more
and more, but you'll never beable to be satisfied.
I don't know what kind of lifethat is.
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Imagine if you had a thirst thatyou couldn't quench.
I mean, if I drink too much, Ifeel bloated.
If I eat too much, I feelbloated.
If I eat too much, I can't move.
I don't want to walk, I don'teven want to sit, I want to just
lay down on the floor and juststay there until I feel better.
So that's just with food anddrink.
Imagine if you had all thiswealth and you still didn't feel
like you can function, doanything.
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You still wouldn't be satisfied.
You still feel like you justhave all this stuff and you
can't even function in your life.
I think it's something to bethought of, because whenever we
talk about being wealthy andwanting riches, I think we need
to define what that is.
We need to put some boundarieson what that looks like.
What does that mean?
There's some people who wantedthat and it was inherited and
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they received it and didn't knowwhat to do with it.
We passed by houses all thetime in our neighborhood, people
who inherited property and landand they couldn't function.
They couldn't handle the taxes,they couldn't handle the upkeep
, and now the places are justsitting there, empty fields, and
it looks like it's just a rat'snest and the houses are
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dilapidated and they can't getanybody to move into them and
they can't get anybody to movethem away or renovate them and
they had plenty, but they can'thandle what they were given.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
That reminds me of a TV show that used to come on.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
What TV show?
Speaker 2 (31:20):
I don't remember the name of it, but Ty Pendleton was
on it, I think that was hisname, and it was like move that
bus.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Extreme makeover.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Extreme home makeover yes.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
And I didn't even watch it, so I knew that.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
But they had a special that came on talking
about all of the people thatthey build houses for, because
there was no education for thepeople to be able to upkeep the
houses that was built for them.
They complained about the lightbill, they complained about the
upkeep of the house.
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Even though they got a freehouse, didn't have to pay a
penny for it.
The?
Um some of the equipment theyput in there was so expensive
they couldn't?
Um take care of it, even someof the vehicles, because?
And then they were even givenmoney, but they spent the money
and didn't know how to maintainwhat they were given, and I just
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thought that was really sad.
And so that's why they canceledthe show, because the people
complained about what they weregiven.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Wow.
I know some people are probablylistening to say, oh, that
would never happen to me, whynot?
Why not you?
That's the kind of hard posturethat leaves us susceptible to
issues just like this when wesit here and we think, oh, it
can't happen to us, well, I'mnever going to do that, I'm
never going to be like Blank.
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And then we get in a situationand we do exactly what blank did
, the thing that we said wenever would do.
This is an opportunity for us tolook at those things around us
and learn from them, and not dothe things that we see, not
because we're bold or we thinkwe're so righteous or we're so
smart or so wise excuse me butthat we look at the situation
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and we learn from it.
These people that are havingall of these situations around
us whether it be in thecelebrity entertainment world or
even in your personal life,people that you know, who you've
seen, have struggles like this.
These are lessons.
The only reason why you see itis because you have a
responsibility to notice it andto do something about it.
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Not go into their life andchange their lives, but to learn
from that and not duplicate it.
There are a lot of things thatwe never see and we never hear
about.
Those aren't ourresponsibilities.
But the thing that we are ableto see and we do learn from
those examples around us, it'sour responsibility to learn from
them, to gain perspective, tomake wise choices with the
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resources that we're being given.
There's a passage and thisshould be the last one for today
In the book of Matthew, the19th chapter, verse 16 to 22,.
It's where a rich young rulerwas asking Jesus how can I have
eternal life?
And he began to quote all ofthe good things that he was
doing.
He began to quote all thecommandments that he lived his
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whole life by, since he was ayoungster.
And Jesus said very well, it'sgood that you did that.
And he said well, I did allthese things for my youth.
What am I lacking?
What am I missing?
Why don't I feel like I shouldbe feeling?
You know that revealed.
Let's stop there for a second.
That revealed so much to me.
What that told me was that if hecame to Jesus in the first
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place, as insanely rough as hewas, it tells me that he wasn't
satisfied.
The same thing that we said,that King Solomon said, was
played out right here in Matthew19.
I really believe that's what'shappening right here, because
why would he even come to him atall For what?
He came to him saying what goodthing should I do to have
eternal life?
That means he knew he didn'thave it.
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With all his wealth, he didn'thave eternal life.
He didn't have the peace ofknowing that when he left this
earth his life would be, or hissoul would be, in good standing.
So he knew that.
That's why he came to Jesus inthe first place, and he quoted
all the things that he did sincehe was a youth, all the
commandments he followed.
He didn't commit adultery, hedidn't commit murder, he didn't
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bear false witness, he didn'tsteal, he honored his father and
his mother, loved his neighboras himself.
He did all the things that thecommandments said he was
supposed to do.
He said what am I lacking, whatam I missing?
And Jesus said if you want tobe perfect, go and sell all that
you have and give it to thepoor, and you have treasure in
heaven and come and follow me.
And I believe that this is thecall that many of us are hearing
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the same thing All the thingsthat you were supposed to be
doing well, that's fine, butthere's always one area, there's
always one area where we arenot truly giving or committed to
to the purpose of why we'rehere, the resources that we're
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being given, the life that we'resupposed to be leading, and his
was revealed.
Jesus revealed his to him, thepurpose of why we're here, the
resources that we're being given, the life that we're supposed
to be leading, and his wasrevealed.
Jesus revealed his to him.
And basically what he wassaying was your money rules you.
You did all the commandments,you live all those things, and
that's fine, but your moneyrules you.
And the Bible says that no mancan serve two masters.
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You can't serve money and Godat the same time.
And that's what he was tryingto accomplish.
He wanted to keep his money,but he wanted to know what thing
he should do in order to haveeternal life.
And if you're faced with asituation where you desire to be
wealthy and it's your goal youwork hard to make that happen.
It's your everyday process.
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To get to that top of themountain and be the king of the
hill, to have that kind oflifestyle, you have to know that
you're going.
You're going there.
God's going to require you knowyour heart and you can't.
And you have to choose betweenyou know the immense wealth and
you know and a relationship withGod and having that contentment
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of knowing you have eternallife and having that peace in
salvation and such.
So the ruler was faced withthat and he walked away
sorrowful.
He walked away heavy-heartedbecause he had so many
possessions and the idea ofgiving them all up was too much
for him to handle.
So he walked away from eternallife.
He looked eternal life in theface, looked it in the face and
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walked away from it because heloves his possessions more.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Wow, that's heavy, you know.
I know we're talking aboutwealth and about being educated
and being able to give to others.
You know that's not saying thatwe can't use what God gives us.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Our hearts have to be right More than anything.
Our hearts have to be rightBecause we think about our
hearts being circumcised and cutaway from the things that are
just going to take us away fromGod.
You know, and it can be goodthings that we want to do, but
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those good things could evenpull us away.
So sometimes we have to leavesome of those good things behind
and stay focused on the purpose.
That's why I talk about theassignment.
Whatever the assignment is, Ilike that.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
And just to be clear, I know I said the last
scripture, but, sorry, I can'thelp myself.
I have one more Deuteronomy 8,17 to 18.
I love this one because we usedto quote it all the time as we
first stepped into our faith,but basically saying that you
know that it's the Lord, god,who gives us the ability to
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produce wealth, or the power toget wealth.
And he did that because he madea covenant with God, with his
people, with the children ofAbraham, and he swore to the
ancestors that they were goingto have, they were going to have
wealth and they were going tohave prosperity.
So by giving us wealth, he'skeeping his promise.
So just to be clear, god hasgiven us the ability and the
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power to gain wealth.
So that means he wants you tohave it.
So don't get me wrong when Isay oh, mr Euston, we can't have
wealth.
I don't think I've ever saidthat on this episode.
Mr Euston, we can't have wealth.
I don't think I've ever saidthat on this episode.
But just to be clear,deuteronomy 8, 17, and 18, which
we agree with says that Godgives you the power to get
wealth.
It's part of his covenant withhis people.
He promised it centuries agoand it's the promise being
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fulfilled.
So he wants you to have that.
But the challenge is that, likeknow, like the queen said, our
heart, posture, our perspectiveon this.
If we have a clear perspective,then we'll take those resources
that we're being given whetherit be money from businesses and
ventures and holdings and etcetera and we will operate and
function in this world withGod's heart in mind.
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It'd be the motivation for whywe do what we do.
It won't be because I want toget a greater name, I want to be
on a magazine, I want my nameon top of a building symbol or
have a street name after me.
The motivation would be what isGod's heart?
What does he want us to do withthis?
How does he want us to functionas ambassadors for his kingdom?
At the end of the day, you, wehave a couple of options.
(40:21):
We talked about serving God andmoney.
We understand we can't serveboth.
We got to pick one.
But also we got to understandthat we are Faced with two
kingdoms.
We're faced with the kingdom ofGod, which is the one that's
intangible, that we don't oftensee in front of us.
We can't reach out and grab itA lot of the times, or the
kingdom of this world.
We got two options, and somepeople have chased the kingdom
(40:43):
of the world because they cansee it.
They can see the money.
They can see what you can buywith money, how many cars and
boats you can buy, how many lakehouses you can buy.
We can see it.
But we're faced with an optionthere which kingdom are we going
to be feeding into?
The one that we feed is goingto be the one that's going to be
most dominant in our life.
Which one are we feeding?
(41:03):
So it's not that the Lorddoesn't want you to have money.
Please understand that he's theruler of all things.
My favorite Psalm Psalm 24,says it that the earth is the
Lord and the fullness thereof,the world and they that dwell
therein.
Everything in the world belongsthey.
That the world, they're in,everything in the world belongs
to him.
We're just managing for himwhat he's giving to us.
You might think you're earningit and you're going out here,
(41:25):
you're hustling, but it's comingto you only because he's
allowing it to come to you.
It's not because you're sogreat.
You did it all by yourself.
So let's bust that bubble rightquick, but just to kind of
close out any any other thoughtsabout this topic.
I know we talked about a lot ofdifferent stuff.
If you guys have any questionsor comments about what you've
been hearing so far, please dropit in the comment section.
Whether you find this episode,we'd be happy to answer any
(41:48):
questions you have.
We'll kind of continue to speak.
We'll keep the conversationgoing offline on all of our
social media platforms and ourlistening platforms, but Queen
any thoughts beyond that aboutthis?
Speaker 2 (41:59):
Just guard your heart .
That's so important.
That's all I have to say.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
That's enough.
This has been a very rivetingepisode.
I was so excited about this,though, but because we need to
talk about this kind of stuff,we don't talk about it enough
and we definitely have a lot tolearn.
I know we do personally, butperhaps this episode minutes of
you.
We don't talk about it enoughand we definitely have a lot to
(42:26):
learn.
I know we do personally, butperhaps this episode minutes of
you.
Let us know how you enjoyed it.
Hit us up, send us some fanmail, check out the link right
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