February 29, 2024 • 65 mins
Discover the groundbreaking ways of tackling chronic illness with Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt, who interweaves his extensive knowledge from Germany and India with advanced healing practices.
In this episode, Dr. Klinghardt unveils his holistic and integrative approach, which has transformed the lives of many struggling with complex conditions like Lyme disease and autism. His journey of innovation didn't halt with the pandemic; instead, he adapted his methods to conquer the new health challenges it posed, offering a beacon of hope to those affected by post-COVID complications.
Embark on an exploration of healing that transcends conventional medicine with Dr. Klinghardt’s Five Levels of Healing. This profound framework considers everything from physical afflictions to ancestral traumas, advocating for a treatment that heals the entire being. As we navigate through his philosophy, the significance of Autonomic Response Testing is brought into the spotlight, a tool that challenges the norm of quick, test-based diagnostics and paves the way for personalized care. Dr. Klinghardt’s dedication to this art is evident as he trains fellow practitioners at the Sophia Health Institute, ensuring that these life-changing practices spread far and wide.
In an age where our environment constantly bombards us with electromagnetic fields, Dr. Klinghardt arms us with strategies to protect our health. We discuss practical steps, from turning off Wi-Fi routers to considering protective clothing, to shield ourselves from these invisible threats. Moreover, Dr. Klinghardt shares natural remedies like rosemary and propolis tinctures that serve as a formidable defense against Wi-Fi radiation. Tune in to understand how to navigate a digitally dominated world without compromising your well-being, guided by an expert who's leading the charge in integrative and environmental health.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Welcome to the podcast Medicine Untold and come
with me on a journey to theunexplored side of medicine,
where we speak with rebeldoctors, radical herbalists,
unorthodox healers and patientswho have healed themselves.
Explore the intersectionbetween science and spirituality
and discover the power withinyou.
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I'm your host, Dr.
Michele Burklund, licensednaturopathic doctor, alchemist
and and practicing physician.
Dr. Michele Burklund (00:40):
So welcome everyone.
Today we have Dr Klinghardt andI'm so excited to have him.
So welcome Dr
Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt (00:48):
Good morning Michelle.
Dr. Michele Burklund (00:51):
So Dr Dietrich , MD, PhD, is a
world-renowned medical physicianwho early in his career became
interested in the sequelae ofchronic toxicity, especially
lead, mercury, environmentalpollutants and electromagnetic
fields, and their correlation tochronic illness.
Dr is internationallyrecognized for his biological
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medicine approaches andsuccessful treatments of
neurological illness, chronicpain, autism, Lyme disease and
techniques to combinenon-surgical orthopedic medicine
with immunology, endocrinology,toxicology and neuro therapy.
He is the founder and medicaldirector of the Sophia Health
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Institute near Seattle in theUnited States, as well as the
founder and chair of theInstitute of Neurobiology in
Germany.
Dr has authored groundbreakingtextbooks and publications and
created autonomic responsetesting and the five levels of
healing.
Oh, that's quite impressive.
Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt (01:56):
It was pretty good.
Dr. Michele Burklund (02:00):
So kind of just start, can you tell us a
little bit about your backgroundand why you focus on chronic
illness in your practice today?
Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt (02:09):
Yeah.
Dr. Michele Burklund (02:09):
I mean, it's pretty simple.
I mean.
Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt (02:12):
I grew up in Germany and went to
medical school there, and at thetime there was still a time
before the big separationbetween integrative medicine or
alternative medicine andconventional medicine.
It was one thing.
So we still had courses inherbal medicine, we had
obligatory courses in homeopathyand acupuncture, and so when we
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graduated we were actuallytested on those subjects.
So we had to have a goodworking knowledge of all that.
And then, really, like you know, yeah, after medical school I
did my residency, and during theresidency I had the chance at
the same time study psychologyand got a degree in that also,
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and then worked on my PhD, whichwas a major, major work that
took three years on how theautonomic nervous system the
vascular system and the immunesystem are correlated with each
other, so that was sort of mystarting
point.
And then I worked in India forthree years, which was some of
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my internship in medicine Iactually did in a hospital in
India.
And then I got in touch, youknow, with Dr Basant Laj, who
was down the road, our littleAyurvedic doctor, who later on
we moved to America and hebecame famous here.
But so they had a pretty good,pretty good working knowledge of
Ayurvedic medicine.
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And then, you know, coming overhere I was kind of shocked that
acupuncture, at least at thetime in the early 80s, was
hardly known, and homeopathy,even though it has a huge
history in America, wasvirtually murdered, you know, by
the medical history that we allknow.
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And so I sort of brought someof my German upbringing and what
I've experienced over here andthen put those things together.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Also had.
Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt (04:18):
I have to say, like in a very decisive
six months in England with JamesSuriak, who was sort of the
inventor of orthopedic medicinethat's a non-surgical way of
treating orthopedic conditions,which largely involved
prolotherapy and differentinjection techniques.
And then when I came over hereI was first very, very much
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involved with prolotherapy andtreating orthopedic conditions
and, you know, whenever that wassuccessful with the patient,
the same patient thought I wasspecial and brought their mother
with cancer and brought theirchildren with autism, and so
that sort of you know took anatural evolution and becoming
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sort of the receiving basket forpatients that didn't find help
elsewhere and that happens to bemostly people with chronic
illness.
And then, sort of very quicklyby the end of the 80s I was
already pretty knowledgeableabout Lyme disease and the first
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treatments you know sort ofthat were available and explored
that quite deeply.
And so I think sort of by themid 90s had already developed
alternative biologicalapproaches to treat Lyme disease
, which made me popular in somecircles and very unpopular in
other circles.
And that's why I sometimes sayI'm the last standing natural
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path in Seattle because thewhole Bastille University and
all the students have gone theway, treating it with
antibiotics and with heartmedical drugs.
Whereas, even though I haveprescription pad available.
I went the other way, treatingthings differently, and since
that one, the long one was farmore effective.
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I sort of became almost like thevictim of all the chronic
patients in the US that found,many of whom found their way to
me, and so it kind of was thenatural evolution of all that
sort of, and it wasn't that Ihad a particular passion for
chronic illness, it just endedup being that way.
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And then you know we're doingthe COVID years.
It kind of pretty muchfortified my knowledge from my
opinions about using the priorknowledge to deal with the
situation, which helped usreally guide a lot of people
through the crisis withoutending up on the respirator and
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or in the coffin.
And so we've.
And so now, post COVID, youknow we're we're facing the
issue that people have a flareup of other chronic illnesses
and so basically learned, anychronic illness we need to treat
now or cancer or autoimmunedisease we have to include the
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treatment of COVID with it, andthat has worked out really well.
Dr. Michele Burklund (07:31):
Right, that's a pretty impressive
background with a lot ofdifferent variables that you can
combine really during this timeand it's interesting I was
listening to your background ina different video and you were
discussing kind of yourupbringing exposed to Lyme
disease kind of in a certainregion, and how so many people
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had it, and so it was seemedlike all these different things
came into your life path todefinitely have you specialize
in this.
Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt (08:03):
Yeah, yeah, I think it's for everybody
.
It's their own experiencebecomes the formative thing in
their life.
Yeah, the area in Germany whereI grew up has turned out to be
the mother bed of Babisir,bartonella and Peralia in Europe
.
And, however, I have to saythat the European form of Lyme
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disease turns out to be mucheasier treatable than the
American version, which clearlyhas manmade characteristics
built into it that makes it somuch more vicious.
Dr. Michele Burklund (08:41):
Yeah, that definitely makes it difficult
to.
So tell us a little bit moreabout your five levels of
healing, like how you developedit and really where you got your
inspiration to develop it andutilize that.
Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt (08:57):
Yeah, I mean, of course, through my
years in India, which was thereason why I was there for some
very deep spiritual experiences,to experience healing on a very
different level than what weexperience here, and then, in
the years I studied psychology,I saw the limits and the beauty
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of psychotherapy and then veryearly on in my practice, which
was in San Rafael, new Mexico,but by the way, for a while we
were the second largest paincenter in the country.
Seattle was at the universitywas.
Dr Bonica was a big guru ofpain management but had a clinic
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there.
But at the time pain managementwasn't on the map of American
physicians and me and abrilliant osteopathic physician,
dr James Bond, in San Rafaelestablished the San Rafael Pain
Center and we had our ownradiologist.
We had access to surgery to bedoing quite invasive things with
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pain management.
So we've learned our way aroundthat.
But the main discovery, you knowthe center was limelitle bit by
the time we got very deeplyinto pain management we realized
that many chronic painsyndromes had everything to do
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with chronic infections and thatlink between chronic pain and
chronic illness and chronicinfections has to become hugely
documented now in the literature.
But we kind of were early onwith that, and then, of course,
taking a deep dive into that werealized that infections only
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grow in contaminated bodyterrains, and that's usually the
heavy metals that play a hugerole there.
And then the question came upwhy does not everybody, with the
same burden, get the sameknowledge?
And then we realized, okay,there was more to the human
condition, and then we exploredwhat's now called the energy
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body you know, which is all thephenomena of physics that happen
in our body the emission ofbiophotons from the cells, of
electric impulses, the microcircuits that happen in the
brain and that you can actuallydiagnose and treat on that level
as well.
And you know, this is sort ofwhere acupuncture comes in the
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work with introvert light andsauna therapy and magnetic
fields and microcarina, you know, which now sort of is slowly
making its impact inconventional circles, and then
we realized that wasn't it?
you know sort of that, whenpeople had early trauma history
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and life, that the outcome ofthings that would work on
everybody else would not be sogood, and that we actually had
to go to the level of psychologyto address the early trauma and
resolve, help the patientresolve that.
And so I was actually the firstone in the US to use eye
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movement, and eye movementtechnique you know that's later
on, through Mr Shapiro, becamelike famous under the name EMDR.
But we were using thattechnique way before and so and
then realized, okay, well, thatwas the key to a lot of
illnesses.
And then, however, it didn'tstop there and then still you
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know, looking at the treatmentfailures, we realized that the
trauma that is affecting thehealth of people can actually be
the trauma that happened in thefamily and the generations
before the patient lived to theparents, the grandparents, the
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great grandparents, and westarted to explore the realm.
You know what's in psychologycalled now transpersonal
psychology, but these areinfluences on our health that
are beyond our own life, thatdidn't start with conception
until now.
The influence would actually goas much further back, and so,
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to put that in a framework, Iremembered my teachings that are
received in India, theteachings of Patanjali.
He is the guy who probably fiveto 12,000 years ago nobody
knows created yoga, and yoga wasmeant to be a technique to
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cleanse the body in a way thatyou can connect with the divine
easier.
You know the recognition thatthe toxic, contaminated body,
you cannot pray, you cannotconnect to the divine, the
divine cannot connect to you.
That you're sort of like yourbody vibrations are on a whole
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different level that has nothingto do with the higher levels,
and so basically the sequencethat evolved is.
And then there is this thing inphilosophy called downward
causation.
That means if you have a traumaon a higher level, let's say
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you know your parents wereholocaust victims somehow one of
them survived it, and so youknow you gave life, and then
your parents or grandparents arehoping to leave that behind and
you're now living a life.
But you spent your whole lifein fear and eventually fear will
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eventually affect the kidneysand then sort of when you may
present to the physician withthe catmium overload in the
kidneys and beginning kidneyfailure, and so then, yes, you
can detox catmium and that mayhelp for a moment and this is an
ongoing job anyway.
You can cut me a lot of thekidneys, but you can do that and
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the patient will improve aslong as they stay on treatment.
But if you can go back and beon the level where the actually
original was, to heal the peoplethat died in the holocaust and
to heal the people that emergedfrom it alive a few of them and
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the people that were traumatizedbecause of our family members,
when you go there with thehealing, then suddenly there's
this trickle down effect that wecall downward causation that
heals on all levels, and it's,of course, very, very cost
effective for the patient,because you do one treatment and
over a few weeks or monthsafterwards everything cleans
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itself up.
You stop retaining metals, theimmune system wakes up and deals
with the infections, and yourenergy body straightens out.
Your chakras open up, yourmeridians open up, your
autonomic nervous system becomesfunctional, your mind gets
clear, you stop heavy anxietyand so you sleep better at night
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, with all the consequences ofthat, and it's very profound.
So we call that the five levelsof healing and this when a
patient comes to us, we try tomake an assessment that not only
applies to the physical body,by doing the regular functional
medicine stuff.
It's nice and good, but it'snot complete.
And then we have I've developeda technique the IRT, the
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autonomic response testing thatallows us to, beyond the lab
work to test the energy body.
That's primary what we do, butthen we can, once we clean that
up, we very easily stumble intothe what we call the mental body
, that's the realm of psychology, and find all sorts of issues.
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There are traumatic events,unresolved conflicts that we
deal with quickly and easilywithout complicating it, and
then that may open up the accessto the fourth level.
You know we suddenly receivelike big issues raining down
from above.
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And then, yes, there's the fifthlevel of that sort of
connection, that the individualconnection that the patient has
with the divine and I do notinterfere with that that is
private to the patient andshould not be messed with, like
some gurus try and somepsychotherapists try and some
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regular people try.
That is not to be messed with.
So that's pretty much it so wehave these five levels and
they're all interactive witheach other, of course, and
illnesses can be caused on eachone of the five levels, and it's
a wrong assumption thatsomebody has back pain, that
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it's just the pressure of thedisc on a nerve and when you
remove the disc everything willbe fine.
Well, it may be, maybe for awhile, or the pain moves
somewhere else, and it's best touse the method of diagnosing,
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looks at all the levels andaccommodates treatment that
address all of the issues.
This is you know of course, as aphysician, you have a limited
time and a particular visit andit's always good to start on the
physical level and work yourway up, but not to linger on the
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physical level forever.
Like most people, you know,like the about the two years of
taking vitamins and supplementsand herbs, that kind of thing.
Well, I just need to find theright combination of vitamins
and I will get well.
So I keep looking and lookingand looking and spending more
and more money on very verysophisticated, however,
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increasing delicate blood testsand breath tests and urine tests
and skin tests and x-rays andultrasound and imaging
techniques and now the wholebody.
Mri is now popular and, yes,that gives us all valuable
information, but it pretty muchshows the outcome of something
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deeper that has happened in thepatient, and most chronic
illness has components that goall the way up to the fourth
level.
Dr. Michele Burklund (20:01):
Right, yeah, I completely agree with
you and you're really like apioneer in the mind body
medicine build and you combineda lot of different elements,
especially taking, like, theancient Vedic culture and the
beliefs there and reallycombining it with the medicine.
Like, to me, it's there is noquestion that all of those
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things are deeply tied in andthat's that's the real way to
heal.
Well, you kind of alreadyanswered this question, but I'll
ask you it, just if you haveother thoughts is what's your
personal view on how emotionsaffect the body?
Dr. Dietrich Klinghard (20:38):
Emotions , you know, are complex events
you know sort of on a physicallevel.
You can explain emotions withthe mix of neurotransmitters
that have been exited into thebloodstream, by the autonomic
nervous system usually, and theeffect on the brain.
The subjective effect is theparticular set of feelings, but
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you can also look at it.
On the second level, it's theactivation of certain aspects of
the autonomic nervous systemhighly involved.
Now we know from beautifulresearchers on this level that
the vagus nerve which is sort ofkind of half the autonomic
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nervous system, that the vagusnerve is highly involved with
that, and there's changes inelectrochemical changes that can
be measured.
Now you know so many happyemotions.
You can do the heart ratevariability and other tests to
look at it on this level.
Or the psychologist will lookat it on the third level and
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look at more what triggered theemotion and deal with that.
And so emotions are complex butthey're typically triggered by
perceptions.
That's, you know, for thesensory organs.
That's a second level issue inour system and that triggers
then a storm of events.
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You know that is affecting thebrain, how it behaves, what it
perceives, how it filters things.
And then you get this excretionor neurotransmitters in the
bloodstream.
They're in reverse streamthrough the brain and change the
brain chemistry and it's alsowhy the emotions are really a
wild thing and I think I'msuspecting, if there's other
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planets and other beings outthere that they don't have that
I think it's a unique thing tous humans and makes us very
human and precious.
It's a beautiful feedbacksystem that we have.
You know we can if somebody isin an emotion with this anger or
sadness or whatever it isusually we can recognize it in
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their face, which is the biggestnerve expressing itself in that
way.
So the autonomic ganglia and theinnovation of the of the faces,
which is different from theinnovation of your shoulders and
your belly muscles, and then soemotions are a beautiful,
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complex thing, but usuallythey're secondary to something
else and sort of looking at thatyou know.
The way emotions really go islike you have a perception, you
see something, you hearsomething, and then it goes to
the filter of your beliefs.
Prior experiences gets filteredout and then leads to the
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feeling, and then that thendetermines your choices and your
actions that follow, and soemotions have an important role
in all of that.
Dr. Michele Burklund (23:47):
Right, yeah, and I think you explained
it really well because it's it'sall about the perception, and
the beliefs too, of how theemotions are expressed, and so
getting to the root of that andfinding the truth of the
experience and and removing allthe limited beliefs and the
associations and everything thatthat's attached to it and then
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causes the responses in the body.
Now, moving on to the nextquestion, you have developed a
method called the autonomicresponse testing.
So really, what is thattechnique and how do you use
this technique in your clinicalpractice?
Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt (24:28):
So, by the way, I was just going back
to the last one, I forgot animportant piece here.
So there's a German wonderfulbrain researcher, a professor
somewhere, who really made thepoint, improved the point that
COVID was a targeted attack onthe hippocampus.
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That's the structure in thebrain next to the amygdala.
Both those structures arehighly involved how we feel and
what we feel, and that is sortof like now greatly under attack
and changes on a very deeplevel who we are.
But this is sort of like just alittle finishing note on the
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emotions and so autonomicresponse testing, of course, is
the outcome of a lot, of a lotof learnings For me it started
in Germany learningelectroecho-puncher, according
to Dr Foll.
Some of the listeners may havehad treatment with that.
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You know where you eithermeasure the current flow through
acupuncture points in theirhand and then there's a machine
that then puts frequencies intothe system and see which ones
correct the readings that you'regetting, and that was developed
by Dr Foll.
And Dr Foll happened to be myfamily physician when I grew up,
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so I kind of thought that wasmedicine.
You know, to actually useelectrodermal testing, as it's
called now, electrodermalscreening, eds that that was the
real medicine, the realdiagnosing method.
I was surprised when I went tomedical school when is it?
Nobody was teaching it, and ifthey were aware of it they were
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poo-pooing it and so on.
However, you know it's what gotour family through very hard
times, and so that was mybeginning and sort of, and then
I was very good at it and thenmoved to America and the first
thing that happened, withinreally like three or four months
of starting my medical practiceat the time in Santa Fe, the
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medical board sent its soldiersto my clinic and they arrested
that instrument.
So I was without instrument andso I had to then decide, you
know.
So, based on my understanding,this was all.
The testing that Dr Foll haddeveloped was all related to
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changes in the autonomic nervoussystem, which were, as it turns
out, through the research ofCandace Perth, who actually got
a Nobel Prize, for it actuallyturns out that the autonomic
nervous system is in control ofthe white blood cells of the
immune system.
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That is often forgotten.
We always talk about the immunesystem and the different cells
and the monocytes and whatthey're all doing or so, but
they all have receptors in thecell wall that receives messages
spilled into the blood by theautonomic nervous system, and so
I was aware of that from my ownthesis, from my own research,
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and so I was looking for othertechniques to assess the
autonomic nervous system and sothe first thing.
I came across, of course, in theUS was applied kinesiology with
Dr Guthard.
So I took the so-called hundredhour training and that became
very proficient in using thatand then I realized the mistakes
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that were in it and I waslooking for other techniques and
I found the professor YushiakiUmura in New York, who was a
brilliant, brilliant Japaneseresearcher who developed a
different way of manual muscletesting using the finger muscles
, the muscles that make a ringbetween the fingers, and they
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are prying them apart and if thestress and the autonomic
nervous system weakens the ringand if the autonomic nervous
system signals the healingresponse to something, it
strengthens the o-ring test.
There was a test that wascloser to my heart and so I
developed that and thengradually over time merged the
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techniques and the knowledgethat I had about that and that
evolved into the autonomicresponse testing, which my
humble opinion is clearlycurrently the best way of manual
testing that is superior to theAK, superior to the o-ring test
alone and superior to electroacupuncture.
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With the ART test we've beenable to develop treatments for
Lyme disease that are non-toxic,purely biological, that work
and the literature is alwaysfollowing the literature.
The emerging in medicinesupports what we found.
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We found solutions forEpstein-Barre, we found
solutions for all the painrelated issues that are very
profound, that go quite a numberof levels deeper than what
other techniques have brought tolight, and so that's really all
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I can say.
And so when we do the testingit looks pretty much like a mix
of kinesiology and o-ringtesting, and so it's both as
part of the technique and it's atechnique that is not depending
on me.
We've taught virtuallythousands of students worldwide,
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the largest contingent of thepractitioners in Australia, new
Zealand, india.
There is a huge group ofpractitioners in Europe Sweden,
denmark, germany, and then nowit's also swept into Russia and
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into the Eastern Europeancountries, and so it's around.
It's just in the US.
There is even old friends thataren't functional medicine sort
of, because there is a slowlearning curve to it.
It's not a popular technique inthe US.
Everything has to be likeMcDonald's kind of drive by.
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You know you learn one techniqueand for one day, and then
that's what you use, and thistakes a bit longer, and so it
doesn't have the popularity inthe US that it deserves, but
it's.
You know, the current times arenot supporting long learning
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curves, you know, supporting thequick and easy and sort of.
Of course, ordering a lab testRequires the stroke of a pen, as
you don't have to learn anyparticular thing with that and
so and you know this, right nowpeople spend thousands of
dollars in lab tests and thenthe outcome is always
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predictable that you're tryingto fix the patient's condition
with giving a particular groupof supplements or herbs or
medicines and then hoping forthe best you know, and if it's
not working, or working just alittle bit, you sort of, then
you try more lab testing and yougo forth and back, you know
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sort of, and eventually probablyhave the best protocol that's
possible on the physical level,but it's still the patient still
isn't all the way well.
Dr. Michele Burklund (32:23):
Right, I completely agree with you on
that too.
I think, especially in the US,it's moved to physical tests and
you lose that connection withthe patient and seeing them and
feeling them and having them beexposed to different therapies.
So it's really gone a differentway.
But I think this podcast andbringing that information out
there, I think there arephysicians that want to bring
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that back, that element andcombine it all in a different
way too.
So I'm thankful you're teachingthat to physicians and
practitioners as well.
Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt (32:59):
And we have.
I do have a team of doctorswith me at the Sophia Health
Institute in.
Woodenwell which is the suburbof Seattle.
We do have a team ofpractitioners that are very good
with it and are equallyfollowing what we've learned and
are equally proficient in doingit.
Dr. Michele Burklund (33:20):
Yeah, and that's great.
You can offer it there too.
I think that people come prettymuch from all over the world to
go to your clinic inWoodenville and in the Seattle
area too to have thosetreatments and to have that
unique experience.
Yeah, so the next question Ihave for you is what are the
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seven most common factors thatblock or stress the healthy
functioning of the nervoussystem?
Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt (33:51):
Yeah, so this has been used in the
making.
Actually just published a bookon that, the Seven Factors of
Healing.
Now let me see if I can getthem together.
So on the physical level, it'smostly infections and toxins
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that are affecting people.
But infections- also exert theireffect on the human body by
either secreting viral toxins orby arousing the immune system,
when the immune system createsall the symptoms.
So that's one factor.
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And then one of the bigoverlooked ones is the structure
.
When people have lost teeth orhave a poor bite, we know now
with all the research there's ahuge effect on the brain, on the
acetylcholin production, onbrain fog and memory problems
and all the things that peoplecomplain about.
Now Nobody looks at thestructure.
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So we are very busy and sendingpeople to have the teeth worked
on you in different ways to getit's clear from the research
that people when they've lostteeth and get a regular denture,
there's no positive effect onthe brain.
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But if they get ceramic implantsand build up the bite and so
the patient can actually chewproperly, that repairs the brain
damage from it.
So this is so.
Factor number two is thestructure of the body, and then
of course we know chiropracticand osteopathy, the fantastic
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tools to correct things on thelevel.
That will indeed all haveeffects on the rest of the body,
really primarily through theautonomic nervous system.
Then there's the thing that'skind of not well known in the US
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is the effect of what's calledinterference fields.
Typically are scars fromsurgeries.
So scars are different tissuefrom normal body tissue and when
we moving they're building up afictional electricity that
constantly discharges itself inthe autonomic nervous system and
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also in the sensory nervoussystem, and then the signal goes
to the hypothalamus and thenthe hypothalamus directs the
autonomic nervous system and thesignal is going from there to a
particular body part, and soit's common that a scar from a C
section causes migraineheadaches, or that appendectomy
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scar which typically causes thegrowth of fibroids and other
problems in the pelvic area.
And I could give you along anyother scars from the
tonsillectomy very often laterin life cause knee pain, and so
rather than treating the kneepain, we treat the scars, and so
that treatment is called neuraltherapy, and there's actually a
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great meeting coming up inSeattle in I think it's the
beginning of the first week ofApril.
Jeff Harris is the naturopathin Seattle who now runs the
North American Academy of NeuralTherapy.
So that's a wonderful tip forsome of you guys that are
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actually.
I mean, condition is thatyou're allowed to inject and
then that's all you need, andthen you get some wonderful,
simple tools to help the patient.
And the other issue on thesecond level is the electro
smoke.
So we know there is a hugegrowing body of literature on
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the effect of wifi and householdelectric fields and geopathic
stress.
There is sort of something I canlecture about for days, but the
basic outcome if they're freewith wifi, with the handy
radiation is that it penetratesthe body and in the cells that
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cause an opening of what'scalled a voltage gated calcium
channels and the cell getsflooded with calcium and then
leads to a cascade of reactioncalled the no or no cycle and at
the end of that the cellproduces peroxymetroid, which is
rocket fuel.
It's completely destructive topretty much everything in the
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body, and so it's pretty simplethe knowledge about it.
Marty Paul Martin, paul P a l lis the one who wrote the most
beautiful summary papers on this.
And there's something I knowmost natural paths, most medical
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doctors, are completelyunderestimating the
destructiveness of that.
And of course we're all basedin it 24 seven.
There's no control group.
You know somebody because, heylook, this person looks in the
park, lives in a part of townwhere there's no wifi.
But I can give you an example,you know, sort of the direct
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impact in the Seattle area.
So for some strange reason,covid broke loose in America, in
Seattle, and not just inSeattle, but in a particular
part of Seattle called Kirkland,and Kirkland happened to be the
first place in the US thatprided itself.
That was for the first.
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That was the first part of theUS where 5g was completely
switched on.
It was the very first place.
And just a few months beforeCOVID broke loose.
And so, and then theinteresting thing was that then
the patients on old folks homesthat got so sick with it, they
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happened to live in old folkshomes that had completely newly
established complete 5g accessin them.
And so, and then these poorpatients that got sick were
brought to one particularhospital that was chosen chosen
to have a green hospital inKirkland which, prided itself,
was the first hospital in the USthat fully had switched on 5g,
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and the death rate of the peoplethat went there was 60% 60.
That means out of 10 patientsthat went there when he four
came out alive.
And so in the background, I'mbeing honest with the
authorities and anybody else.
I got involved and so informedthe different old folks homes
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that still had some alive peopleand told them there is another
solution, and so I'm not goingto tell you what that was, but
we that changed the music andthen the death rate went way,
way down.
But this is sort of like the oneof the seven factors is white
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fight environment.
So then there is, of course wewant to give it some credit is
the effect of nutritional ormicrocarin, micro nutrient
deficiencies, which now havebecome very, very common, and
the reason is pretty simple.
So when we look at spinachtoday, there is no more iron and
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spinach.
When we look at the overallcontent of basic elements in the
food, that has dramaticallydecreased in the last 60 or 70
years to catastrophic amounts.
So to get enough zinc and ironand molybdenum and all the other
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basic elements from the food isharder and harder.
And so, and if people have adisturbed gut, like most people
have now, from whatever thereasons are, but they call it
leaky gut or SIBO or handabsorption, whatever it is but
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in addition to the food notcontaining really what our daily
needs are, we are also havingtrouble absorbing and extracting
from the food what we need.
So, yes, some micro nutrientassays and all that have a
valuable place and should not beconsidered on their own.
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So when I'm beyond that, ofcourse we have the field of
psychology that I mentionedbefore.
Unresolved trauma is certainlyone of the seven factors.
Unresolved conflict, unresolvedtrauma are constantly
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decreasing the patient'svitality and ability to be
resilient towards stresses andhave direct connections to
particular subsets of symptoms.
And so it's one of the sevenfactors, yes, so that we always
look at.
And then one already mentionedis the higher psychological
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issues that have to do with pastfamily issues, conflicts,
trauma, and of course you knowthis on this level is also the
more darker side of thespiritual world that I don't
want to talk about it here, it'snot the appropriate thing, but
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there is other forces thatinfluence us that can greatly
contribute to medical illness,and there certainly is a room
for prayer and for meditationand for the softer techniques.
I'm pretty sure I've forgottenone or two of the factors.
I don't have the list here infront of me, but I think that's
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pretty complete.
So we try to understand thatthere is only seven possible
causes of illness.
It's not like the whole worldof possibilities that makes us
think it can really besubdivided in some issues.
Each of them has their owndiagnostic approaches and each
of them has their own treatmentapproaches, and when they're
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appropriately used, treatmentstend to be gentle, they tend to
be biological, they tend to beinexpensive and they tend to be
available everywhere.
Dr. Michele Burklund (45:10):
Okay.
And you said you just wrote abook on the seven factors as
well.
Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt (45:16):
It's like all my books in German.
Oh yeah, it's interesting.
After all these years wehaven't found any publishers
that are interested in my workand so I just you know I'm
relaxed with that, you know, ifI'm not pushing myself, you know
, to replace, like other peopledo and I'm not a clever
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marketing person sort of thathas like some ideas and then,
you know, put some together withall the knowledge that's out
there and put the clever booktogether.
That is, other people are doinggood jobs with that, you know,
and I don't want to diminishthat.
It's important that people putthe current knowledge that's out
there together.
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But I do that in Germany, whereI'm very, very popular with
that, and so I go with that.
I go where I'm asked to go.
Dr. Michele Burklund (46:09):
Right, and this is a great way to bring it
to the people here too.
If we can't read the book or ifit's in German, it's good to
understand and understand allthe factors to involved in it.
Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt (46:20):
Yeah, I do want to say, you know, sort
of I've set up, you know, mypractice in wooden build In a
way that we addressing all thoseissues, you know very delivery
with our patients, and so ofcourse I've distributed some of
the chores to some of the otherphysicians.
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We have a gifted person workingwith the psychological aspects
it's debilist range and so butwe have our own subspecialists,
you know.
So, each of the seven levels,of course it's not for everybody
to do everything.
That was my job for many years,and so now I'm trying to do
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just what I love doing on aparticular day and then delegate
the other things to the peoplethat work close with me, right,
right, and so tell us a littlebit more about that.
Dr. Michele Burklund (47:16):
What are some of the unique modalities
that you use to treat patientsat the Sophia Health Institute
in the US?
Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt (47:24):
So, first of all, it's my diagnostic
work up.
You know, I, yes, I look at thelab worker, look at the big
markers, but I don't have thispatient spend thousands of
dollars initially, butoccasionally, yeah, I mean I
have to go there.
But basically I do my AIT examand go very carefully through
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the seven factors and so, forexample, enough to detect the
effect of the of the Wi-Fi on apatient.
We have a particular subset oftests that focuses on the pineal
gland, which is the mostsensitive organ and the body to
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Wi-Fi, and then, have ways ofassessing the home so we may
send a SWAT team to the homes tolook at the ticks and
measurements of the intensity ofradiation that's in the
sleeping location and otherplaces in the home.
So that will be one one aspectof it.
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One thing I'm very good at andonly one of the few physicians
in the US is doing normaltherapy, which is the looking at
the scars and autonomic gangliaand treat them in the
dysfunctional.
For example, I may put DMPSinto the senopalatine ganglion.
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I may inject ozone into thetonsils.
I may typically use ozone andmany of the joint problems.
I use, whenever it's available,artisthenate to treat cancer
and use injectable.
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You know, cocomand and some ofthe sphermideen and other things
that are available if you'relooking for it.
I do a very careful exam of thebite and typically send people
to a dentist who actually canfollow our guidance on that and
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is willing to do that.
Let me see what else we do.
Yeah, we do the low doseimmunotherapy.
That was a three day offshootof homeopathy, you know, but
we'll be testing very carefullyif somebody is affected.
Currently very, very many peopleare affected by strep.
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I know that pertussis whoopingcough, is around very, very
prevalent but people don't lookat that and so I made for that,
established an herbal antibioticprotocol.
I may inject ozone, like I said, tonsils and lymphatics.
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I use acupuncture.
I use many manual techniques soI'm kind of known for my neck
treatments for people that hadreplash injuries.
That's a complicated andcomplex manipulation procedure
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where the joints and nerves ofthe neck are numb temporarily
with procaine and that is a verystrong manipulation of the neck
traction torsion manoeuvre thathas saved many, many people
from chronic neck pain.
And yes, we do intravenoustherapies.
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We use a lot of intravenousherbal products but also the
usual ozone and UBBI and the.
You know the nutrients, vitaminC like to use a chance here to
say that you know.
So vitamin C typically arrivesin glass bottles, and the glass
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is made of aluminum silicate.
And so what happens?
When the company you know,whether MacGuff or whoever
produces some dissolves thevitamin C and puts it in a
bottle and that sits on theshelf for a few months and it
comes to you, the vitamin Cactually leaches out aluminum,
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and so most of the supplies ofvitamin injectable vitamin C
that arrive at the offices andthe US are highly loaded with
aluminum, and so it should be inboron glass or some other thing
, or it should be a dry powderthat you reconstitute at the
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time of injection, or it shouldbe a very short way between
producing it and using it, andso we use a variety of that.
Paying attention to that, Ithink very unique for us is also
our approach to aluminumtoxicity.
Now we found out that through aGerman researcher a wonderful
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gifted brain researcher and amedical doctor was a woman
actually and she did research onthe ionic foot bath and showed
that 30 minute ionic foot baththat's a fetus Hispanic in water
and there's a coil in there andthat it leads to a two to 400
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fold release of aluminum throughthe urine and the patient
within the next few daysafterwards.
And so we've been trying todiagnose aluminum toxicity in
everybody, which is really thebig overlooked toxin of our time
that Chris actually and otherresearchers have shown it's the
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main cause of the braindeterioration in the US.
It's aluminum really incombination with Lyme disease
and the Epstein virus and theHerpes virus and all that is
more secondary and mercury isalways in the pie.
And so we diagnose that we mayput people on very strict
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mercury detox program whichinvolves plant derived compounds
and involves giving binderslike Cruella, but also involves
intravenous therapies that wevery carefully select from
what's available and we usecompounds that are difficult to
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find that are very, very highlyeffective in getting mercury out
.
And just maybe, as a reminder,you know aluminum detox is a
completely different animal fromdetox.
Mercury and lead Lead toxicityis sort of one of my more recent
hobbies.
It's overlooked how huge theburden of the American society
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is with lead.
It's in the bone and if you dojust a urine test or a head test
it won't show, but it causesosteoporosis and shrinking of
the bone and when you get olderit slowly gets released and
causes reverse toxicity.
That is very, very profound andso we're looking at all that,
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and so pretty much every patientthat I see walks out with a
strong detox program whichusually will take a year or two
or three to get to an endpointwith that or to reasonable level
with that.
But the treatment results aredramatic when you approach this
a proper way.
Dr. Michele Burklund (55:15):
Wow.
So you do a lot of unique andvery powerful treatments there
and a lot of things that peoplearen't even aware of that are
affecting their bodies.
Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt (55:24):
Then of course you know there is the
whole area of psychology.
You know where I've developedmy own techniques the PK work
and the MFT mental field therapythe way targeted approaches
that address trauma andconflicts and patients and
unresolved issues.
And then, in addition to that,once a week in the office I do
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family constellation work.
That's the work to really healancestral trauma.
Yeah, and so that's offered tomy patient.
Not everybody takes me up onthat offer, but it's fantastic
when people do it.
The treatment results arebeautiful.
Dr. Michele Burklund (56:06):
Right, yeah, and it's powerful to
combine all of those two.
Okay, so I have one lastquestion for you today.
In today's age, what is yourview on the electromagnetic
fields that people are exposedto on a daily basis and what are
some simple actions that theycan take to limit their
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exposures?
Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt (56:30):
Yeah, I mentioned already you know the
biology of Wi-Fi, you know thedeepest level of what it does.
Now everybody is exposed to itand so it's really a question of
minimizing our exposures.
So the first issue is you knowthat the Wi-Fi router people
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have at their home is a cellphone tower.
You know, sort of in the Wi-Firouter, when it's switched on,
is a transmitter or very, veryhuge, unpredictable amounts of
radiation that covers the entirehome.
So this one you know.
So the Wi-Fi router needs to beoff when it's not used, and it
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definitely needs to be off atnight, and the best solution is
to get rid of it and to get awired connection which is not
expensive and it's easy to do.
But that's a tough one to theAmerican to convince them, when
many people really say I'drather die of cancer than give
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up my Wi-Fi router.
Yeah, so that's really sort ofwhat we are up against with that
.
And then there is the effectsof dirty electricity,
underground currents that's sortof the normal electric currents
in the household.
There are tend to build upstrengths of fields in different
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areas in the house, and if yoursleeping location has to be in
the part of a field, you have nochance.
You know that's the most commoncause of insomnia and then
chronic huge participator indeveloping chronic illness, and
so the best solution is toswitch the fuses off at night
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for the entire house.
That has cured a lot of peoplefrom their chronic illness.
But again a lesser solution ofthat is a switch that
electricians know how to install.
It's called a demand switch,that's a wireless tool that you
have by your bedside and youpush a button that switches off
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all the fuses that control thecircuitry of your bedroom, and
that's a wonderful tool.
And again, it's not everypatient takes me up on that.
So people really say theyrather like the convenience and
I said well, really, all I'masking you is to buy a $3
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flashlight, to put it by anightstand and to have this
thing with the button there.
It costs a couple of hundredbucks to install.
That, it's not astronomicallyexpensive.
So that's another tool.
Then, of course, there'sgeopathic stress.
Geopathic stress is radiationthat comes from the earth.
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It's very, very common in theSeattle area because we are on a
group of fault lines that rununder our buns, through the
houses and through the clinicsand through the environment, and
so when you're on a sleepinglocation is on one of those
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lines, we'll get sick.
So I'll give you an example.
So this was a woman that camein once for treatment.
She had brain cancer and a largetumor in the brain, malignant
tumor and so I diagnosed with mytest that she was sleeping on
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one of those stress lines andthat she needed to change that
location.
And so she went home, didn'tcontact me for a while and she
called me, like after a fewmonths, and said Dr Klinger, I
got good news.
My tumor is now shrunk to thesize of a cherry.
It was the size of an orange,and so after a few months it was
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completely gone without anyfurther treatment.
And then, a few years later,the sad news came in.
Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
She called me without ever seeing her in between.
Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt (01:00:39):
She called me and said this is not
just going to tell you my son atthe time of the one concert I
had with her, the son was likefour years old, and so she said
so this is now two or threeyears later.
The son must be six or seven.
She said you know, my son justdied.
You know he had the same braintumor that I had.
And then I said OK, wait amoment.
(01:01:01):
Ok, when I asked you two yearsago to move your sleeping
locations, did you actually dothat?
He said, yeah, I did it.
I moved into the location wheremy son was sleeping.
And then what you do with yourson?
Well, I moved him to where Iwas sleeping.
So he was sleeping on that samelocation where she got a brain
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tumor.
He got the same brain tumor anddied from it.
And so people tend to have alot of common sense or
intelligence, and so we need tokind of be a bit more aware.
So the sleeping location can bea huge impact in terms of the
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electromagnetic exposures, orthis may be ionizing radiation
from the earth.
So that's one set of tools thatwe use to diagnose and do
simple things like this.
But then, on a more physicallevel, yes, we do have proof
that the protective clothingworks.
The shirts that have metalizedthreads in them.
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They do reflect Wi-Fi and so wehave different companies also
the sleep sanctuary we call itlooks like a mosquito net that
people put over the bed.
That really hugely reduces theincoming Wi-Fi from the
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neighborhood.
You know, assuming people haveswitched off their own Wi-Fi
router and dealt with theelectric fields in the bedroom,
calm that down.
Then the sleep sanctuary isincredibly effective in helping
people to get their health back.
There's a company that I havethere's probably others, but
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it's called littletreegroupcomthat makes custom, makes those
four people, and there'sblankets and things.
But I'm a strong friend of theshirts that cover, like, the
large body parts.
It's the overall body surfacesthat are exposed to it that
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matter, so you don't have tokind of cover everything, but
the large body parts should becovered with it, and so I work
with that, I walk with that.
Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
The things that are available are not super
expensive and extremelyeffective.
Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt (01:03:30):
I know there's people argue oh no, no,
this cannot work in a bed.
Physics and the blah, blah,blah Well.
I've done it for 30 years.
It works so.
And then there's internalthings that can people can do.
There's certain herbs likerosemary there's a populace that
have been shown to be hugelyradio protective and so I always
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test people with my techniquefor those, and so there's very
few patients who mind that arenot on rosemary tincture or on
populace tincture.
So those are the key tools toprotect the cells from the
incoming Wi-Fi radiation.
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And there's of course I have awhole day of electronic this,
but these are some of the keypieces to that.
Dr. Michele Burklund (01:04:22):
All right, that's excellent, and we're be
sure to put up all yourinformation too, and the
resources you have and the linksto your website, so everybody
can find it or, if they want todig a little bit more, get more
information on it as well.
Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt (01:04:39):
Yeah, thanks, Michelle.
It was nice connecting with you.
Dr. Michele Burklund (01:04:44):
Yeah, thank you so much for taking the
time today and telling us aboutyour whole process and your
different modalities, so Igreatly appreciate it and I'm
thankful to share it with myaudience too.
Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt (01:04:56):
But people shouldn't forget that
life is good, life is preciousand they enjoy it, and so let's
keep it that way and make lifeeasy.
There's just a few things thatneed to be addressed, and then
life will be good for mostpeople.
Dr. Michele Burklund (01:05:16):
Exactly, I agree, just bringing them back
more into balance withthemselves.
Well, thank you very much,thank you.
Welcome to the podcast Medicine Untold and come
with me on a journey to theunexplored side of medicine,
where we speak with rebeldoctors, radical herbalists,
unorthodox healers and patientswho have healed themselves.
Explore the intersectionbetween science and spirituality
and discover the power withinyou.
(00:26):
I'm your host, Dr.
Michele Burklund, licensednaturopathic doctor, alchemist
and and practicing physician.
Dr. Michele Burklund (00:40):
So welcome everyone.
Today we have Dr Klinghardt andI'm so excited to have him.
So welcome Dr
Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt (00:48):
Good morning Michelle.
Dr. Michele Burklund (00:51):
So Dr Dietrich , MD, PhD, is a
world-renowned medical physicianwho early in his career became
interested in the sequelae ofchronic toxicity, especially
lead, mercury, environmentalpollutants and electromagnetic
fields, and their correlation tochronic illness.
Dr is internationallyrecognized for his biological
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medicine approaches andsuccessful treatments of
neurological illness, chronicpain, autism, Lyme disease and
techniques to combinenon-surgical orthopedic medicine
with immunology, endocrinology,toxicology and neuro therapy.
He is the founder and medicaldirector of the Sophia Health
(01:35):
Institute near Seattle in theUnited States, as well as the
founder and chair of theInstitute of Neurobiology in
Germany.
Dr has authored groundbreakingtextbooks and publications and
created autonomic responsetesting and the five levels of
healing.
Oh, that's quite impressive.
Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt (01:56):
It was pretty good.
Dr. Michele Burklund (02:00):
So kind of just start, can you tell us a
little bit about your backgroundand why you focus on chronic
illness in your practice today?
Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt (02:09):
Yeah.
Dr. Michele Burklund (02:09):
I mean, it's pretty simple.
I mean.
Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt (02:12):
I grew up in Germany and went to
medical school there, and at thetime there was still a time
before the big separationbetween integrative medicine or
alternative medicine andconventional medicine.
It was one thing.
So we still had courses inherbal medicine, we had
obligatory courses in homeopathyand acupuncture, and so when we
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graduated we were actuallytested on those subjects.
So we had to have a goodworking knowledge of all that.
And then, really, like you know, yeah, after medical school I
did my residency, and during theresidency I had the chance at
the same time study psychologyand got a degree in that also,
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and then worked on my PhD, whichwas a major, major work that
took three years on how theautonomic nervous system the
vascular system and the immunesystem are correlated with each
other, so that was sort of mystarting
point.
And then I worked in India forthree years, which was some of
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my internship in medicine Iactually did in a hospital in
India.
And then I got in touch, youknow, with Dr Basant Laj, who
was down the road, our littleAyurvedic doctor, who later on
we moved to America and hebecame famous here.
But so they had a pretty good,pretty good working knowledge of
Ayurvedic medicine.
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And then, you know, coming overhere I was kind of shocked that
acupuncture, at least at thetime in the early 80s, was
hardly known, and homeopathy,even though it has a huge
history in America, wasvirtually murdered, you know, by
the medical history that we allknow.
(04:03):
And so I sort of brought someof my German upbringing and what
I've experienced over here andthen put those things together.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Also had.
Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt (04:18):
I have to say, like in a very decisive
six months in England with JamesSuriak, who was sort of the
inventor of orthopedic medicinethat's a non-surgical way of
treating orthopedic conditions,which largely involved
prolotherapy and differentinjection techniques.
And then when I came over hereI was first very, very much
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involved with prolotherapy andtreating orthopedic conditions
and, you know, whenever that wassuccessful with the patient,
the same patient thought I wasspecial and brought their mother
with cancer and brought theirchildren with autism, and so
that sort of you know took anatural evolution and becoming
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sort of the receiving basket forpatients that didn't find help
elsewhere and that happens to bemostly people with chronic
illness.
And then, sort of very quicklyby the end of the 80s I was
already pretty knowledgeableabout Lyme disease and the first
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treatments you know sort ofthat were available and explored
that quite deeply.
And so I think sort of by themid 90s had already developed
alternative biologicalapproaches to treat Lyme disease
, which made me popular in somecircles and very unpopular in
other circles.
And that's why I sometimes sayI'm the last standing natural
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path in Seattle because thewhole Bastille University and
all the students have gone theway, treating it with
antibiotics and with heartmedical drugs.
Whereas, even though I haveprescription pad available.
I went the other way, treatingthings differently, and since
that one, the long one was farmore effective.
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I sort of became almost like thevictim of all the chronic
patients in the US that found,many of whom found their way to
me, and so it kind of was thenatural evolution of all that
sort of, and it wasn't that Ihad a particular passion for
chronic illness, it just endedup being that way.
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And then you know we're doingthe COVID years.
It kind of pretty muchfortified my knowledge from my
opinions about using the priorknowledge to deal with the
situation, which helped usreally guide a lot of people
through the crisis withoutending up on the respirator and
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or in the coffin.
And so we've.
And so now, post COVID, youknow we're we're facing the
issue that people have a flareup of other chronic illnesses
and so basically learned, anychronic illness we need to treat
now or cancer or autoimmunedisease we have to include the
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treatment of COVID with it, andthat has worked out really well.
Dr. Michele Burklund (07:31):
Right, that's a pretty impressive
background with a lot ofdifferent variables that you can
combine really during this timeand it's interesting I was
listening to your background ina different video and you were
discussing kind of yourupbringing exposed to Lyme
disease kind of in a certainregion, and how so many people
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had it, and so it was seemedlike all these different things
came into your life path todefinitely have you specialize
in this.
Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt (08:03):
Yeah, yeah, I think it's for everybody
.
It's their own experiencebecomes the formative thing in
their life.
Yeah, the area in Germany whereI grew up has turned out to be
the mother bed of Babisir,bartonella and Peralia in Europe
.
And, however, I have to saythat the European form of Lyme
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disease turns out to be mucheasier treatable than the
American version, which clearlyhas manmade characteristics
built into it that makes it somuch more vicious.
Dr. Michele Burklund (08:41):
Yeah, that definitely makes it difficult
to.
So tell us a little bit moreabout your five levels of
healing, like how you developedit and really where you got your
inspiration to develop it andutilize that.
Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt (08:57):
Yeah, I mean, of course, through my
years in India, which was thereason why I was there for some
very deep spiritual experiences,to experience healing on a very
different level than what weexperience here, and then, in
the years I studied psychology,I saw the limits and the beauty
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of psychotherapy and then veryearly on in my practice, which
was in San Rafael, new Mexico,but by the way, for a while we
were the second largest paincenter in the country.
Seattle was at the universitywas.
Dr Bonica was a big guru ofpain management but had a clinic
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there.
But at the time pain managementwasn't on the map of American
physicians and me and abrilliant osteopathic physician,
dr James Bond, in San Rafaelestablished the San Rafael Pain
Center and we had our ownradiologist.
We had access to surgery to bedoing quite invasive things with
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pain management.
So we've learned our way aroundthat.
But the main discovery, you knowthe center was limelitle bit by
the time we got very deeplyinto pain management we realized
that many chronic painsyndromes had everything to do
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with chronic infections and thatlink between chronic pain and
chronic illness and chronicinfections has to become hugely
documented now in the literature.
But we kind of were early onwith that, and then, of course,
taking a deep dive into that werealized that infections only
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grow in contaminated bodyterrains, and that's usually the
heavy metals that play a hugerole there.
And then the question came upwhy does not everybody, with the
same burden, get the sameknowledge?
And then we realized, okay,there was more to the human
condition, and then we exploredwhat's now called the energy
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body you know, which is all thephenomena of physics that happen
in our body the emission ofbiophotons from the cells, of
electric impulses, the microcircuits that happen in the
brain and that you can actuallydiagnose and treat on that level
as well.
And you know, this is sort ofwhere acupuncture comes in the
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work with introvert light andsauna therapy and magnetic
fields and microcarina, you know, which now sort of is slowly
making its impact inconventional circles, and then
we realized that wasn't it?
you know sort of that, whenpeople had early trauma history
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and life, that the outcome ofthings that would work on
everybody else would not be sogood, and that we actually had
to go to the level of psychologyto address the early trauma and
resolve, help the patientresolve that.
And so I was actually the firstone in the US to use eye
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movement, and eye movementtechnique you know that's later
on, through Mr Shapiro, becamelike famous under the name EMDR.
But we were using thattechnique way before and so and
then realized, okay, well, thatwas the key to a lot of
illnesses.
And then, however, it didn'tstop there and then still you
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know, looking at the treatmentfailures, we realized that the
trauma that is affecting thehealth of people can actually be
the trauma that happened in thefamily and the generations
before the patient lived to theparents, the grandparents, the
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great grandparents, and westarted to explore the realm.
You know what's in psychologycalled now transpersonal
psychology, but these areinfluences on our health that
are beyond our own life, thatdidn't start with conception
until now.
The influence would actually goas much further back, and so,
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to put that in a framework, Iremembered my teachings that are
received in India, theteachings of Patanjali.
He is the guy who probably fiveto 12,000 years ago nobody
knows created yoga, and yoga wasmeant to be a technique to
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cleanse the body in a way thatyou can connect with the divine
easier.
You know the recognition thatthe toxic, contaminated body,
you cannot pray, you cannotconnect to the divine, the
divine cannot connect to you.
That you're sort of like yourbody vibrations are on a whole
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different level that has nothingto do with the higher levels,
and so basically the sequencethat evolved is.
And then there is this thing inphilosophy called downward
causation.
That means if you have a traumaon a higher level, let's say
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you know your parents wereholocaust victims somehow one of
them survived it, and so youknow you gave life, and then
your parents or grandparents arehoping to leave that behind and
you're now living a life.
But you spent your whole lifein fear and eventually fear will
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eventually affect the kidneysand then sort of when you may
present to the physician withthe catmium overload in the
kidneys and beginning kidneyfailure, and so then, yes, you
can detox catmium and that mayhelp for a moment and this is an
ongoing job anyway.
You can cut me a lot of thekidneys, but you can do that and
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the patient will improve aslong as they stay on treatment.
But if you can go back and beon the level where the actually
original was, to heal the peoplethat died in the holocaust and
to heal the people that emergedfrom it alive a few of them and
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the people that were traumatizedbecause of our family members,
when you go there with thehealing, then suddenly there's
this trickle down effect that wecall downward causation that
heals on all levels, and it's,of course, very, very cost
effective for the patient,because you do one treatment and
over a few weeks or monthsafterwards everything cleans
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itself up.
You stop retaining metals, theimmune system wakes up and deals
with the infections, and yourenergy body straightens out.
Your chakras open up, yourmeridians open up, your
autonomic nervous system becomesfunctional, your mind gets
clear, you stop heavy anxietyand so you sleep better at night
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, with all the consequences ofthat, and it's very profound.
So we call that the five levelsof healing and this when a
patient comes to us, we try tomake an assessment that not only
applies to the physical body,by doing the regular functional
medicine stuff.
It's nice and good, but it'snot complete.
And then we have I've developeda technique the IRT, the
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autonomic response testing thatallows us to, beyond the lab
work to test the energy body.
That's primary what we do, butthen we can, once we clean that
up, we very easily stumble intothe what we call the mental body
, that's the realm of psychology, and find all sorts of issues.
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There are traumatic events,unresolved conflicts that we
deal with quickly and easilywithout complicating it, and
then that may open up the accessto the fourth level.
You know we suddenly receivelike big issues raining down
from above.
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And then, yes, there's the fifthlevel of that sort of
connection, that the individualconnection that the patient has
with the divine and I do notinterfere with that that is
private to the patient andshould not be messed with, like
some gurus try and somepsychotherapists try and some
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regular people try.
That is not to be messed with.
So that's pretty much it so wehave these five levels and
they're all interactive witheach other, of course, and
illnesses can be caused on eachone of the five levels, and it's
a wrong assumption thatsomebody has back pain, that
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it's just the pressure of thedisc on a nerve and when you
remove the disc everything willbe fine.
Well, it may be, maybe for awhile, or the pain moves
somewhere else, and it's best touse the method of diagnosing,
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looks at all the levels andaccommodates treatment that
address all of the issues.
This is you know of course, as aphysician, you have a limited
time and a particular visit andit's always good to start on the
physical level and work yourway up, but not to linger on the
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physical level forever.
Like most people, you know,like the about the two years of
taking vitamins and supplementsand herbs, that kind of thing.
Well, I just need to find theright combination of vitamins
and I will get well.
So I keep looking and lookingand looking and spending more
and more money on very verysophisticated, however,
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increasing delicate blood testsand breath tests and urine tests
and skin tests and x-rays andultrasound and imaging
techniques and now the wholebody.
Mri is now popular and, yes,that gives us all valuable
information, but it pretty muchshows the outcome of something
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deeper that has happened in thepatient, and most chronic
illness has components that goall the way up to the fourth
level.
Dr. Michele Burklund (20:01):
Right, yeah, I completely agree with
you and you're really like apioneer in the mind body
medicine build and you combineda lot of different elements,
especially taking, like, theancient Vedic culture and the
beliefs there and reallycombining it with the medicine.
Like, to me, it's there is noquestion that all of those
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things are deeply tied in andthat's that's the real way to
heal.
Well, you kind of alreadyanswered this question, but I'll
ask you it, just if you haveother thoughts is what's your
personal view on how emotionsaffect the body?
Dr. Dietrich Klinghard (20:38):
Emotions , you know, are complex events
you know sort of on a physicallevel.
You can explain emotions withthe mix of neurotransmitters
that have been exited into thebloodstream, by the autonomic
nervous system usually, and theeffect on the brain.
The subjective effect is theparticular set of feelings, but
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you can also look at it.
On the second level, it's theactivation of certain aspects of
the autonomic nervous systemhighly involved.
Now we know from beautifulresearchers on this level that
the vagus nerve which is sort ofkind of half the autonomic
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nervous system, that the vagusnerve is highly involved with
that, and there's changes inelectrochemical changes that can
be measured.
Now you know so many happyemotions.
You can do the heart ratevariability and other tests to
look at it on this level.
Or the psychologist will lookat it on the third level and
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look at more what triggered theemotion and deal with that.
And so emotions are complex butthey're typically triggered by
perceptions.
That's, you know, for thesensory organs.
That's a second level issue inour system and that triggers
then a storm of events.
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You know that is affecting thebrain, how it behaves, what it
perceives, how it filters things.
And then you get this excretionor neurotransmitters in the
bloodstream.
They're in reverse streamthrough the brain and change the
brain chemistry and it's alsowhy the emotions are really a
wild thing and I think I'msuspecting, if there's other
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planets and other beings outthere that they don't have that
I think it's a unique thing tous humans and makes us very
human and precious.
It's a beautiful feedbacksystem that we have.
You know we can if somebody isin an emotion with this anger or
sadness or whatever it isusually we can recognize it in
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their face, which is the biggestnerve expressing itself in that
way.
So the autonomic ganglia and theinnovation of the of the faces,
which is different from theinnovation of your shoulders and
your belly muscles, and then soemotions are a beautiful,
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complex thing, but usuallythey're secondary to something
else and sort of looking at thatyou know.
The way emotions really go islike you have a perception, you
see something, you hearsomething, and then it goes to
the filter of your beliefs.
Prior experiences gets filteredout and then leads to the
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feeling, and then that thendetermines your choices and your
actions that follow, and soemotions have an important role
in all of that.
Dr. Michele Burklund (23:47):
Right, yeah, and I think you explained
it really well because it's it'sall about the perception, and
the beliefs too, of how theemotions are expressed, and so
getting to the root of that andfinding the truth of the
experience and and removing allthe limited beliefs and the
associations and everything thatthat's attached to it and then
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causes the responses in the body.
Now, moving on to the nextquestion, you have developed a
method called the autonomicresponse testing.
So really, what is thattechnique and how do you use
this technique in your clinicalpractice?
Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt (24:28):
So, by the way, I was just going back
to the last one, I forgot animportant piece here.
So there's a German wonderfulbrain researcher, a professor
somewhere, who really made thepoint, improved the point that
COVID was a targeted attack onthe hippocampus.
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That's the structure in thebrain next to the amygdala.
Both those structures arehighly involved how we feel and
what we feel, and that is sortof like now greatly under attack
and changes on a very deeplevel who we are.
But this is sort of like just alittle finishing note on the
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emotions and so autonomicresponse testing, of course, is
the outcome of a lot, of a lotof learnings For me it started
in Germany learningelectroecho-puncher, according
to Dr Foll.
Some of the listeners may havehad treatment with that.
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You know where you eithermeasure the current flow through
acupuncture points in theirhand and then there's a machine
that then puts frequencies intothe system and see which ones
correct the readings that you'regetting, and that was developed
by Dr Foll.
And Dr Foll happened to be myfamily physician when I grew up,
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so I kind of thought that wasmedicine.
You know, to actually useelectrodermal testing, as it's
called now, electrodermalscreening, eds that that was the
real medicine, the realdiagnosing method.
I was surprised when I went tomedical school when is it?
Nobody was teaching it, and ifthey were aware of it they were
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poo-pooing it and so on.
However, you know it's what gotour family through very hard
times, and so that was mybeginning and sort of, and then
I was very good at it and thenmoved to America and the first
thing that happened, withinreally like three or four months
of starting my medical practiceat the time in Santa Fe, the
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medical board sent its soldiersto my clinic and they arrested
that instrument.
So I was without instrument andso I had to then decide, you
know.
So, based on my understanding,this was all.
The testing that Dr Foll haddeveloped was all related to
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changes in the autonomic nervoussystem, which were, as it turns
out, through the research ofCandace Perth, who actually got
a Nobel Prize, for it actuallyturns out that the autonomic
nervous system is in control ofthe white blood cells of the
immune system.
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That is often forgotten.
We always talk about the immunesystem and the different cells
and the monocytes and whatthey're all doing or so, but
they all have receptors in thecell wall that receives messages
spilled into the blood by theautonomic nervous system, and so
I was aware of that from my ownthesis, from my own research,
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and so I was looking for othertechniques to assess the
autonomic nervous system and sothe first thing.
I came across, of course, in theUS was applied kinesiology with
Dr Guthard.
So I took the so-called hundredhour training and that became
very proficient in using thatand then I realized the mistakes
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that were in it and I waslooking for other techniques and
I found the professor YushiakiUmura in New York, who was a
brilliant, brilliant Japaneseresearcher who developed a
different way of manual muscletesting using the finger muscles
, the muscles that make a ringbetween the fingers, and they
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are prying them apart and if thestress and the autonomic
nervous system weakens the ringand if the autonomic nervous
system signals the healingresponse to something, it
strengthens the o-ring test.
There was a test that wascloser to my heart and so I
developed that and thengradually over time merged the
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techniques and the knowledgethat I had about that and that
evolved into the autonomicresponse testing, which my
humble opinion is clearlycurrently the best way of manual
testing that is superior to theAK, superior to the o-ring test
alone and superior to electroacupuncture.
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With the ART test we've beenable to develop treatments for
Lyme disease that are non-toxic,purely biological, that work
and the literature is alwaysfollowing the literature.
The emerging in medicinesupports what we found.
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We found solutions forEpstein-Barre, we found
solutions for all the painrelated issues that are very
profound, that go quite a numberof levels deeper than what
other techniques have brought tolight, and so that's really all
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I can say.
And so when we do the testingit looks pretty much like a mix
of kinesiology and o-ringtesting, and so it's both as
part of the technique and it's atechnique that is not depending
on me.
We've taught virtuallythousands of students worldwide,
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the largest contingent of thepractitioners in Australia, new
Zealand, india.
There is a huge group ofpractitioners in Europe Sweden,
denmark, germany, and then nowit's also swept into Russia and
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into the Eastern Europeancountries, and so it's around.
It's just in the US.
There is even old friends thataren't functional medicine sort
of, because there is a slowlearning curve to it.
It's not a popular technique inthe US.
Everything has to be likeMcDonald's kind of drive by.
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You know you learn one techniqueand for one day, and then
that's what you use, and thistakes a bit longer, and so it
doesn't have the popularity inthe US that it deserves, but
it's.
You know, the current times arenot supporting long learning
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curves, you know, supporting thequick and easy and sort of.
Of course, ordering a lab testRequires the stroke of a pen, as
you don't have to learn anyparticular thing with that and
so and you know this, right nowpeople spend thousands of
dollars in lab tests and thenthe outcome is always
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predictable that you're tryingto fix the patient's condition
with giving a particular groupof supplements or herbs or
medicines and then hoping forthe best you know, and if it's
not working, or working just alittle bit, you sort of, then
you try more lab testing and yougo forth and back, you know
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sort of, and eventually probablyhave the best protocol that's
possible on the physical level,but it's still the patient still
isn't all the way well.
Dr. Michele Burklund (32:23):
Right, I completely agree with you on
that too.
I think, especially in the US,it's moved to physical tests and
you lose that connection withthe patient and seeing them and
feeling them and having them beexposed to different therapies.
So it's really gone a differentway.
But I think this podcast andbringing that information out
there, I think there arephysicians that want to bring
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that back, that element andcombine it all in a different
way too.
So I'm thankful you're teachingthat to physicians and
practitioners as well.
Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt (32:59):
And we have.
I do have a team of doctorswith me at the Sophia Health
Institute in.
Woodenwell which is the suburbof Seattle.
We do have a team ofpractitioners that are very good
with it and are equallyfollowing what we've learned and
are equally proficient in doingit.
Dr. Michele Burklund (33:20):
Yeah, and that's great.
You can offer it there too.
I think that people come prettymuch from all over the world to
go to your clinic inWoodenville and in the Seattle
area too to have thosetreatments and to have that
unique experience.
Yeah, so the next question Ihave for you is what are the
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seven most common factors thatblock or stress the healthy
functioning of the nervoussystem?
Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt (33:51):
Yeah, so this has been used in the
making.
Actually just published a bookon that, the Seven Factors of
Healing.
Now let me see if I can getthem together.
So on the physical level, it'smostly infections and toxins
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that are affecting people.
But infections- also exert theireffect on the human body by
either secreting viral toxins orby arousing the immune system,
when the immune system createsall the symptoms.
So that's one factor.
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And then one of the bigoverlooked ones is the structure
.
When people have lost teeth orhave a poor bite, we know now
with all the research there's ahuge effect on the brain, on the
acetylcholin production, onbrain fog and memory problems
and all the things that peoplecomplain about.
Now Nobody looks at thestructure.
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So we are very busy and sendingpeople to have the teeth worked
on you in different ways to getit's clear from the research
that people when they've lostteeth and get a regular denture,
there's no positive effect onthe brain.
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But if they get ceramic implantsand build up the bite and so
the patient can actually chewproperly, that repairs the brain
damage from it.
So this is so.
Factor number two is thestructure of the body, and then
of course we know chiropracticand osteopathy, the fantastic
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tools to correct things on thelevel.
That will indeed all haveeffects on the rest of the body,
really primarily through theautonomic nervous system.
Then there's the thing that'skind of not well known in the US
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is the effect of what's calledinterference fields.
Typically are scars fromsurgeries.
So scars are different tissuefrom normal body tissue and when
we moving they're building up afictional electricity that
constantly discharges itself inthe autonomic nervous system and
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also in the sensory nervoussystem, and then the signal goes
to the hypothalamus and thenthe hypothalamus directs the
autonomic nervous system and thesignal is going from there to a
particular body part, and soit's common that a scar from a C
section causes migraineheadaches, or that appendectomy
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scar which typically causes thegrowth of fibroids and other
problems in the pelvic area.
And I could give you along anyother scars from the
tonsillectomy very often laterin life cause knee pain, and so
rather than treating the kneepain, we treat the scars, and so
that treatment is called neuraltherapy, and there's actually a
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great meeting coming up inSeattle in I think it's the
beginning of the first week ofApril.
Jeff Harris is the naturopathin Seattle who now runs the
North American Academy of NeuralTherapy.
So that's a wonderful tip forsome of you guys that are
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actually.
I mean, condition is thatyou're allowed to inject and
then that's all you need, andthen you get some wonderful,
simple tools to help the patient.
And the other issue on thesecond level is the electro
smoke.
So we know there is a hugegrowing body of literature on
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the effect of wifi and householdelectric fields and geopathic
stress.
There is sort of something I canlecture about for days, but the
basic outcome if they're freewith wifi, with the handy
radiation is that it penetratesthe body and in the cells that
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cause an opening of what'scalled a voltage gated calcium
channels and the cell getsflooded with calcium and then
leads to a cascade of reactioncalled the no or no cycle and at
the end of that the cellproduces peroxymetroid, which is
rocket fuel.
It's completely destructive topretty much everything in the
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body, and so it's pretty simplethe knowledge about it.
Marty Paul Martin, paul P a l lis the one who wrote the most
beautiful summary papers on this.
And there's something I knowmost natural paths, most medical
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doctors, are completelyunderestimating the
destructiveness of that.
And of course we're all basedin it 24 seven.
There's no control group.
You know somebody because, heylook, this person looks in the
park, lives in a part of townwhere there's no wifi.
But I can give you an example,you know, sort of the direct
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impact in the Seattle area.
So for some strange reason,covid broke loose in America, in
Seattle, and not just inSeattle, but in a particular
part of Seattle called Kirkland,and Kirkland happened to be the
first place in the US thatprided itself.
That was for the first.
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That was the first part of theUS where 5g was completely
switched on.
It was the very first place.
And just a few months beforeCOVID broke loose.
And so, and then theinteresting thing was that then
the patients on old folks homesthat got so sick with it, they
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happened to live in old folkshomes that had completely newly
established complete 5g accessin them.
And so, and then these poorpatients that got sick were
brought to one particularhospital that was chosen chosen
to have a green hospital inKirkland which, prided itself,
was the first hospital in the USthat fully had switched on 5g,
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and the death rate of the peoplethat went there was 60% 60.
That means out of 10 patientsthat went there when he four
came out alive.
And so in the background, I'mbeing honest with the
authorities and anybody else.
I got involved and so informedthe different old folks homes
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that still had some alive peopleand told them there is another
solution, and so I'm not goingto tell you what that was, but
we that changed the music andthen the death rate went way,
way down.
But this is sort of like the oneof the seven factors is white
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fight environment.
So then there is, of course wewant to give it some credit is
the effect of nutritional ormicrocarin, micro nutrient
deficiencies, which now havebecome very, very common, and
the reason is pretty simple.
So when we look at spinachtoday, there is no more iron and
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spinach.
When we look at the overallcontent of basic elements in the
food, that has dramaticallydecreased in the last 60 or 70
years to catastrophic amounts.
So to get enough zinc and ironand molybdenum and all the other
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basic elements from the food isharder and harder.
And so, and if people have adisturbed gut, like most people
have now, from whatever thereasons are, but they call it
leaky gut or SIBO or handabsorption, whatever it is but
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in addition to the food notcontaining really what our daily
needs are, we are also havingtrouble absorbing and extracting
from the food what we need.
So, yes, some micro nutrientassays and all that have a
valuable place and should not beconsidered on their own.
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So when I'm beyond that, ofcourse we have the field of
psychology that I mentionedbefore.
Unresolved trauma is certainlyone of the seven factors.
Unresolved conflict, unresolvedtrauma are constantly
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decreasing the patient'svitality and ability to be
resilient towards stresses andhave direct connections to
particular subsets of symptoms.
And so it's one of the sevenfactors, yes, so that we always
look at.
And then one already mentionedis the higher psychological
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issues that have to do with pastfamily issues, conflicts,
trauma, and of course you knowthis on this level is also the
more darker side of thespiritual world that I don't
want to talk about it here, it'snot the appropriate thing, but
(44:07):
there is other forces thatinfluence us that can greatly
contribute to medical illness,and there certainly is a room
for prayer and for meditationand for the softer techniques.
I'm pretty sure I've forgottenone or two of the factors.
I don't have the list here infront of me, but I think that's
(44:33):
pretty complete.
So we try to understand thatthere is only seven possible
causes of illness.
It's not like the whole worldof possibilities that makes us
think it can really besubdivided in some issues.
Each of them has their owndiagnostic approaches and each
of them has their own treatmentapproaches, and when they're
(44:56):
appropriately used, treatmentstend to be gentle, they tend to
be biological, they tend to beinexpensive and they tend to be
available everywhere.
Dr. Michele Burklund (45:10):
Okay.
And you said you just wrote abook on the seven factors as
well.
Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt (45:16):
It's like all my books in German.
Oh yeah, it's interesting.
After all these years wehaven't found any publishers
that are interested in my workand so I just you know I'm
relaxed with that, you know, ifI'm not pushing myself, you know
, to replace, like other peopledo and I'm not a clever
(45:37):
marketing person sort of thathas like some ideas and then,
you know, put some together withall the knowledge that's out
there and put the clever booktogether.
That is, other people are doinggood jobs with that, you know,
and I don't want to diminishthat.
It's important that people putthe current knowledge that's out
there together.
(45:57):
But I do that in Germany, whereI'm very, very popular with
that, and so I go with that.
I go where I'm asked to go.
Dr. Michele Burklund (46:09):
Right, and this is a great way to bring it
to the people here too.
If we can't read the book or ifit's in German, it's good to
understand and understand allthe factors to involved in it.
Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt (46:20):
Yeah, I do want to say, you know, sort
of I've set up, you know, mypractice in wooden build In a
way that we addressing all thoseissues, you know very delivery
with our patients, and so ofcourse I've distributed some of
the chores to some of the otherphysicians.
(46:41):
We have a gifted person workingwith the psychological aspects
it's debilist range and so butwe have our own subspecialists,
you know.
So, each of the seven levels,of course it's not for everybody
to do everything.
That was my job for many years,and so now I'm trying to do
(47:05):
just what I love doing on aparticular day and then delegate
the other things to the peoplethat work close with me, right,
right, and so tell us a littlebit more about that.
Dr. Michele Burklund (47:16):
What are some of the unique modalities
that you use to treat patientsat the Sophia Health Institute
in the US?
Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt (47:24):
So, first of all, it's my diagnostic
work up.
You know, I, yes, I look at thelab worker, look at the big
markers, but I don't have thispatient spend thousands of
dollars initially, butoccasionally, yeah, I mean I
have to go there.
But basically I do my AIT examand go very carefully through
(47:46):
the seven factors and so, forexample, enough to detect the
effect of the of the Wi-Fi on apatient.
We have a particular subset oftests that focuses on the pineal
gland, which is the mostsensitive organ and the body to
(48:09):
Wi-Fi, and then, have ways ofassessing the home so we may
send a SWAT team to the homes tolook at the ticks and
measurements of the intensity ofradiation that's in the
sleeping location and otherplaces in the home.
So that will be one one aspectof it.
(48:32):
One thing I'm very good at andonly one of the few physicians
in the US is doing normaltherapy, which is the looking at
the scars and autonomic gangliaand treat them in the
dysfunctional.
For example, I may put DMPSinto the senopalatine ganglion.
(48:54):
I may inject ozone into thetonsils.
I may typically use ozone andmany of the joint problems.
I use, whenever it's available,artisthenate to treat cancer
and use injectable.
(49:17):
You know, cocomand and some ofthe sphermideen and other things
that are available if you'relooking for it.
I do a very careful exam of thebite and typically send people
to a dentist who actually canfollow our guidance on that and
(49:40):
is willing to do that.
Let me see what else we do.
Yeah, we do the low doseimmunotherapy.
That was a three day offshootof homeopathy, you know, but
we'll be testing very carefullyif somebody is affected.
Currently very, very many peopleare affected by strep.
(50:01):
I know that pertussis whoopingcough, is around very, very
prevalent but people don't lookat that and so I made for that,
established an herbal antibioticprotocol.
I may inject ozone, like I said, tonsils and lymphatics.
(50:22):
I use acupuncture.
I use many manual techniques soI'm kind of known for my neck
treatments for people that hadreplash injuries.
That's a complicated andcomplex manipulation procedure
(50:47):
where the joints and nerves ofthe neck are numb temporarily
with procaine and that is a verystrong manipulation of the neck
traction torsion manoeuvre thathas saved many, many people
from chronic neck pain.
And yes, we do intravenoustherapies.
(51:10):
We use a lot of intravenousherbal products but also the
usual ozone and UBBI and the.
You know the nutrients, vitaminC like to use a chance here to
say that you know.
So vitamin C typically arrivesin glass bottles, and the glass
(51:31):
is made of aluminum silicate.
And so what happens?
When the company you know,whether MacGuff or whoever
produces some dissolves thevitamin C and puts it in a
bottle and that sits on theshelf for a few months and it
comes to you, the vitamin Cactually leaches out aluminum,
(51:52):
and so most of the supplies ofvitamin injectable vitamin C
that arrive at the offices andthe US are highly loaded with
aluminum, and so it should be inboron glass or some other thing
, or it should be a dry powderthat you reconstitute at the
(52:13):
time of injection, or it shouldbe a very short way between
producing it and using it, andso we use a variety of that.
Paying attention to that, Ithink very unique for us is also
our approach to aluminumtoxicity.
Now we found out that through aGerman researcher a wonderful
(52:37):
gifted brain researcher and amedical doctor was a woman
actually and she did research onthe ionic foot bath and showed
that 30 minute ionic foot baththat's a fetus Hispanic in water
and there's a coil in there andthat it leads to a two to 400
(53:02):
fold release of aluminum throughthe urine and the patient
within the next few daysafterwards.
And so we've been trying todiagnose aluminum toxicity in
everybody, which is really thebig overlooked toxin of our time
that Chris actually and otherresearchers have shown it's the
(53:24):
main cause of the braindeterioration in the US.
It's aluminum really incombination with Lyme disease
and the Epstein virus and theHerpes virus and all that is
more secondary and mercury isalways in the pie.
And so we diagnose that we mayput people on very strict
(53:45):
mercury detox program whichinvolves plant derived compounds
and involves giving binderslike Cruella, but also involves
intravenous therapies that wevery carefully select from
what's available and we usecompounds that are difficult to
(54:07):
find that are very, very highlyeffective in getting mercury out
.
And just maybe, as a reminder,you know aluminum detox is a
completely different animal fromdetox.
Mercury and lead Lead toxicityis sort of one of my more recent
hobbies.
It's overlooked how huge theburden of the American society
(54:31):
is with lead.
It's in the bone and if you dojust a urine test or a head test
it won't show, but it causesosteoporosis and shrinking of
the bone and when you get olderit slowly gets released and
causes reverse toxicity.
That is very, very profound andso we're looking at all that,
(54:51):
and so pretty much every patientthat I see walks out with a
strong detox program whichusually will take a year or two
or three to get to an endpointwith that or to reasonable level
with that.
But the treatment results aredramatic when you approach this
a proper way.
Dr. Michele Burklund (55:15):
Wow.
So you do a lot of unique andvery powerful treatments there
and a lot of things that peoplearen't even aware of that are
affecting their bodies.
Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt (55:24):
Then of course you know there is the
whole area of psychology.
You know where I've developedmy own techniques the PK work
and the MFT mental field therapythe way targeted approaches
that address trauma andconflicts and patients and
unresolved issues.
And then, in addition to that,once a week in the office I do
(55:48):
family constellation work.
That's the work to really healancestral trauma.
Yeah, and so that's offered tomy patient.
Not everybody takes me up onthat offer, but it's fantastic
when people do it.
The treatment results arebeautiful.
Dr. Michele Burklund (56:06):
Right, yeah, and it's powerful to
combine all of those two.
Okay, so I have one lastquestion for you today.
In today's age, what is yourview on the electromagnetic
fields that people are exposedto on a daily basis and what are
some simple actions that theycan take to limit their
(56:27):
exposures?
Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt (56:30):
Yeah, I mentioned already you know the
biology of Wi-Fi, you know thedeepest level of what it does.
Now everybody is exposed to itand so it's really a question of
minimizing our exposures.
So the first issue is you knowthat the Wi-Fi router people
(56:52):
have at their home is a cellphone tower.
You know, sort of in the Wi-Firouter, when it's switched on,
is a transmitter or very, veryhuge, unpredictable amounts of
radiation that covers the entirehome.
So this one you know.
So the Wi-Fi router needs to beoff when it's not used, and it
(57:13):
definitely needs to be off atnight, and the best solution is
to get rid of it and to get awired connection which is not
expensive and it's easy to do.
But that's a tough one to theAmerican to convince them, when
many people really say I'drather die of cancer than give
(57:33):
up my Wi-Fi router.
Yeah, so that's really sort ofwhat we are up against with that
.
And then there is the effectsof dirty electricity,
underground currents that's sortof the normal electric currents
in the household.
There are tend to build upstrengths of fields in different
(57:56):
areas in the house, and if yoursleeping location has to be in
the part of a field, you have nochance.
You know that's the most commoncause of insomnia and then
chronic huge participator indeveloping chronic illness, and
so the best solution is toswitch the fuses off at night
(58:19):
for the entire house.
That has cured a lot of peoplefrom their chronic illness.
But again a lesser solution ofthat is a switch that
electricians know how to install.
It's called a demand switch,that's a wireless tool that you
have by your bedside and youpush a button that switches off
(58:42):
all the fuses that control thecircuitry of your bedroom, and
that's a wonderful tool.
And again, it's not everypatient takes me up on that.
So people really say theyrather like the convenience and
I said well, really, all I'masking you is to buy a $3
(59:04):
flashlight, to put it by anightstand and to have this
thing with the button there.
It costs a couple of hundredbucks to install.
That, it's not astronomicallyexpensive.
So that's another tool.
Then, of course, there'sgeopathic stress.
Geopathic stress is radiationthat comes from the earth.
(59:26):
It's very, very common in theSeattle area because we are on a
group of fault lines that rununder our buns, through the
houses and through the clinicsand through the environment, and
so when you're on a sleepinglocation is on one of those
(59:48):
lines, we'll get sick.
So I'll give you an example.
So this was a woman that camein once for treatment.
She had brain cancer and a largetumor in the brain, malignant
tumor and so I diagnosed with mytest that she was sleeping on
(01:00:08):
one of those stress lines andthat she needed to change that
location.
And so she went home, didn'tcontact me for a while and she
called me, like after a fewmonths, and said Dr Klinger, I
got good news.
My tumor is now shrunk to thesize of a cherry.
It was the size of an orange,and so after a few months it was
(01:00:30):
completely gone without anyfurther treatment.
And then, a few years later,the sad news came in.
Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
She called me without ever seeing her in between.
Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt (01:00:39):
She called me and said this is not
just going to tell you my son atthe time of the one concert I
had with her, the son was likefour years old, and so she said
so this is now two or threeyears later.
The son must be six or seven.
She said you know, my son justdied.
You know he had the same braintumor that I had.
And then I said OK, wait amoment.
(01:01:01):
Ok, when I asked you two yearsago to move your sleeping
locations, did you actually dothat?
He said, yeah, I did it.
I moved into the location wheremy son was sleeping.
And then what you do with yourson?
Well, I moved him to where Iwas sleeping.
So he was sleeping on that samelocation where she got a brain
(01:01:22):
tumor.
He got the same brain tumor anddied from it.
And so people tend to have alot of common sense or
intelligence, and so we need tokind of be a bit more aware.
So the sleeping location can bea huge impact in terms of the
(01:01:43):
electromagnetic exposures, orthis may be ionizing radiation
from the earth.
So that's one set of tools thatwe use to diagnose and do
simple things like this.
But then, on a more physicallevel, yes, we do have proof
that the protective clothingworks.
The shirts that have metalizedthreads in them.
(01:02:07):
They do reflect Wi-Fi and so wehave different companies also
the sleep sanctuary we call itlooks like a mosquito net that
people put over the bed.
That really hugely reduces theincoming Wi-Fi from the
(01:02:30):
neighborhood.
You know, assuming people haveswitched off their own Wi-Fi
router and dealt with theelectric fields in the bedroom,
calm that down.
Then the sleep sanctuary isincredibly effective in helping
people to get their health back.
There's a company that I havethere's probably others, but
(01:02:50):
it's called littletreegroupcomthat makes custom, makes those
four people, and there'sblankets and things.
But I'm a strong friend of theshirts that cover, like, the
large body parts.
It's the overall body surfacesthat are exposed to it that
(01:03:11):
matter, so you don't have tokind of cover everything, but
the large body parts should becovered with it, and so I work
with that, I walk with that.
Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
The things that are available are not super
expensive and extremelyeffective.
Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt (01:03:30):
I know there's people argue oh no, no,
this cannot work in a bed.
Physics and the blah, blah,blah Well.
I've done it for 30 years.
It works so.
And then there's internalthings that can people can do.
There's certain herbs likerosemary there's a populace that
have been shown to be hugelyradio protective and so I always
(01:03:55):
test people with my techniquefor those, and so there's very
few patients who mind that arenot on rosemary tincture or on
populace tincture.
So those are the key tools toprotect the cells from the
incoming Wi-Fi radiation.
(01:04:15):
And there's of course I have awhole day of electronic this,
but these are some of the keypieces to that.
Dr. Michele Burklund (01:04:22):
All right, that's excellent, and we're be
sure to put up all yourinformation too, and the
resources you have and the linksto your website, so everybody
can find it or, if they want todig a little bit more, get more
information on it as well.
Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt (01:04:39):
Yeah, thanks, Michelle.
It was nice connecting with you.
Dr. Michele Burklund (01:04:44):
Yeah, thank you so much for taking the
time today and telling us aboutyour whole process and your
different modalities, so Igreatly appreciate it and I'm
thankful to share it with myaudience too.
Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt (01:04:56):
But people shouldn't forget that
life is good, life is preciousand they enjoy it, and so let's
keep it that way and make lifeeasy.
There's just a few things thatneed to be addressed, and then
life will be good for mostpeople.
Dr. Michele Burklund (01:05:16):
Exactly, I agree, just bringing them back
more into balance withthemselves.
Well, thank you very much,thank you.
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