December 4, 2024 • 47 mins
What do a Canadian Colonel, tainted Halloween treats, and unicorns have in common? Join us on "Wicked Wanderings" for a chilling yet curious exploration of these topics and more. We kick things off with some light-hearted breakfast banter and a shout-out to Cousin Marc, our loyal listener, before addressing those pesky tech issues some of you have mentioned. Our guest, Pizza Man, spices things up as we express gratitude for your support with a sneak peek into the quirky world of "Strange History," leaving you hungry for more curious tales.
Step into the shadowy world of true crime as we recount the unsettling case of Colonel David Williams, whose dark deeds left a haunting legacy. We unravel the sinister myth of poisoned Halloween candy, spotlighting the chilling actions of Ronald O'Brien in 1974. Alongside these tales, we ponder urban legends and personal fears that color our everyday lives, like the rumor of needles at gas pumps and other eerie consumer scares. It's a dive into the psyche of crime and the stories that shape our collective paranoia.
But it's not all macabre musings! We lighten the mood with tales of historical quirks, from Marco Polo's unicorn mishap to the curious intersections of history with events like the release of Star Wars and the last guillotine execution in 1977. As we discuss eerie similarities between serial killers and the evolution of forensic science, our conversations range from serious reflections on systemic issues to whimsical what-ifs. With stories that will both chill and charm, this episode promises an enthralling mix of the bizarre, the spooky, and the downright strange.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Pizza man.
What did you have for breakfast?
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Two bacon McDoubles.
Speaker 1 (00:03):
From McDonald's Yep.
Speaker 3 (00:05):
Not a sponsor, but they should be I don't know With
all the E coli, I don't know ifI want them to be a sponsor
right now I was going to say doyou want McDonald's to sponsor
this podcast?
Speaker 1 (00:15):
But those nuggets they do have a special right now
on the nuggets.
Speaker 4 (00:19):
They do have a pretty good special $1 for 10.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
You gotta order through that though.
Oh yeah, that's how they getyou.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
Once a week yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
I think it's once per day, week, oh.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Courtney's.
Like I checked, I knew whatlooked.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
That's why you clicked the other coupon earlier
.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Mm-hmm, okay, okay hi , I'm hannah and I'm courtney.
Join us as we delve into truecrime, paranormal encounters and
all things spooky grab yourflashlight and get ready to
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wander into the darkness with us.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
This is wicked wanderings spooky.
Grab your flashlight and getready to wander into the
darkness with us.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
This is Wicked Wanderings.
Well, hello Wanderers.
And I'm going to say hello tothree people that are here, Of
course, Courtney, thank you forgracing us with your presence
once again.
Hello, Rob.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Hello.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
And we have Pizza man back for episode two.
Hello, Pizza man.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Why hello.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Are we ever going to tell them his identity?
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Maybe we can make it like a if everybody.
How many subscribers do we need?
Producer?
I don't know how manysubscribers do we need to
release?
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Probably one, since last time we asked we only got
one.
I mean from last time, that'sokay.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
I think we might have fan mail also.
I don't know if you want to.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
We do have some fan mail.
We have fan mail From Cousin.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Mark, I see it Like I'll be like working and it's
like Cousin Mark and I'm like,oh, cousin Mark.
Rob, do you want to read someof the fan mail?
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Yeah, I can, I can pull it up, all right.
So I got two from November 6thand Cousin Mark says Cousin Mark
, here the bonus episode islocked.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Oh man, wow, not the bonus episode, rob.
What is it that people can doif they find that they're trying
to get in and it's locked?
Speaker 1 (02:26):
You can email support at support at I just repeated
myself.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Support at.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Buzzsprout.
Support at support.
The support email is support atbuzzsproutcom and they can help
you out.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
They're definitely very helpful because I had to do
that before I joined WickedWanderers as a subscriber and
that same thing was happening tome, where it was like locking
me out, and they're definitelyvery helpful because I had to do
that before I joined.
Wicked Wondering as asubscriber and that same thing
was happening to me, where itwas like locking me out.
Yes or you can text one of us,Cousin Mark, and we'll help you.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Yeah, definitely November 6th.
Cousin Mark here FuckingPutnams.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Fucking Putnams.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Listening to last Bundy episode and about the
accused people.
Lol.
Do you know what he's talkingabout?
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Nope, I don't know if he's putting two things
together.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
I don't know the accused people.
And then on November 22nd,cousin Mark here Fucking Putnams
.
And then November 22nd, cousinMark here I always come through.
Somehow you do Cousin Mark, wedo bring Cousin Mark here, I
always come through somehow.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Yes, you do Cousin, mark, we do bring up.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Cousin Mark a lot, and then also November 22nd
Cousin Mark here.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
And we love you, cousin Mark, I really appreciate
it.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
I also do want to apologize to the Wanderers for
not having anything this pastweek, but it was Thanksgiving
week, so hope everyone had agreat Thanksgiving, if you
celebrate.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
And if you want to see all our fan mail, you can go
to our website that's wickedwanderings dot com, and you can
click on the fan mail and weusually pin most of the fan
mails up there so you can seewhat other people are saying
about this lovely podcast.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
As long as they're appropriate.
We'll preface it by saying thatas long as they're appropriate.
We'll preface it by saying thatas long as they're appropriate.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
And if you want to reach out to us through fan mail
, there's a link down in theshow notes it will send us a
message through our Buzzsproutapp.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
As long as we're not logged out.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
And then we can read it live here, all right.
So, hannah, what are we doingtoday?
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Today, courtney and Pizza man got this great book
called Strange HistoryMysterious Artifacts, macabre
Legends, boneheaded Blunders andMind-Blowing Facts.
It doesn't really say who it'sby, though.
That's the weird part.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
The beauty of thrift finds is that you don't even
know what you're looking foruntil it's sitting in front of
you.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Oh, it's by the Bathroom Readers Institute.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Oh, it's by the Bathroom Readers Institute.
Oh, so it's a book that'ssupposed to be in the bathroom.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
Well, we're right next door to the bathroom.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
They're nice short little like weird stories, so
I'm just going to read the firstone and we'll see how we feel.
Are we ready?
Speaker 2 (04:59):
We're ready.
Do we need a drum roll?
Speaker 3 (05:02):
No, no, no.
Okay, I do not have one on mysoundboard I only have.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
Fucking Putnams.
I like the fucking Putnamsbetter.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Chi Chi equals Nasty, nasty.
That's the title.
Oh boy, oh boy is right.
This strange Broadway musical,written in 1928 by the legendary
duo of Richard Rogers andLauren's Heart, put an end to
their long string of successfulshows.
Why?
It may have been thesquirm-inducing plot based on a
comic novel called the Son ofthe Grand Eunuch.
In case you don't know, eunuchswere men who had been castrated
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and employed to guard thewomen's living areas.
Oh okay.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Castrated and then employed.
Because they were castrated toguard women's living areas.
Just making sure we've all gotthat crystal clear Okay.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Rogers and Hart set their story in ancient China.
The emperor's grand eunuch, liPi Cao, tells his son Li Pi Chao
that he wants him to take overhis job.
But Li Pi Chao is in love witha beautiful woman named Qiqi and
doesn't want to become a eunuch.
So the lovers flee and embarkon a series of misadventures in
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which Chi Chi has to awardvarious thieves and bullies
sexual favors in order to getherself and Leapy Chow out of
one predicament or another.
The musical bombed.
The review of Chi Chi and theLondon Observer was entitled
simply Nasty, nasty I don't knowwhat I just read.
That feels like one man'spursuit to keep his own penis,
that's
Speaker 2 (06:21):
what it felt like.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
Pretty much it was like the long, the short version
of that story is one man wantedto keep his penis.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
The end Interesting.
Well, it's definitely strange.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Mm-hmm.
I'm going to read another one.
Three strange fads Goldfishswallowing.
On March 3rd 1939, HarvardUniversity student Lothrop
Winthington Jr swallowed a livegoldfish to win a $10 bet.
Days later, not to be outdone,a college student in
Pennsylvania downed threegoldfish seasoned with salt and
pepper.
When a fellow classmate uppedthe ante to six goldfish, the
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gauntlet had been thrown downand the goldfish-swallowing
craze spread like wildfire oncampuses across the United
States.
By the time the fad faded a fewmonths later, thousands of
goldfish had met gruesome ends.
Hmm, Tooth dyeing.
In 16th century Europe, toothdyeing was popular among upper
class women.
In Italy, red and green werethe most popular colors, while
Russian women favored black.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Oh, which is funny, because if you think about it
now.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
We really put a high prestige on white Interesting.
Black is very very much Looksrotten looks rotten.
Yeah, a color that you wouldn'timagine would be associated
with status huh, I mean half thetime.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
If you drink a blue drink your teeth blue that's
true.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
That's true.
They could have savedthemselves a lot of money
probably the goldfish swallowingis also very strange yeah, and
and like, are they alive?
Or the goldfish?
Speaker 2 (07:43):
oh, yeah, yeah it's got to be alive.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
So morbidly curious here I just think about okay,
you swallow a live goldfish.
The fish is still alive insideof your body right Is it the
stomach acid that kills the fish.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Oh yeah, definitely.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
How long does that take, though?
It's all flopping around inthere.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Fairly quickly.
Once you swallow it and hit thestomach, the acid will kill
anything.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Oh, God I was going to say I don't think you're
going to feel it flop arounddown in your stomach.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
No, but psychologically I'm feeling it
flopping around.
I don't yeah, yeah, Also justpoor goldfish.
What did they do to deserve?
Speaker 3 (08:20):
that.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
They did nothing.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
We can talk about murder here, but somebody talks
about swallowing a goldfish, andnow I'm pissed.
Yeah, Steve wouldn't like thattoo much.
No, Steve would not like that.
But.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Steve's not a goldfish.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
He's a beta, but he's also a stupid beta, because I'm
pretty sure he ate one of thoseblue beta beads and now he's in
a hospital tank being treatedfor dropsy.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Wait, what's going on with Steve?
He's not at your house.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
Well, he's in a hospital tank at the house
because I think he ate one ofthose blue orbs that was in
there.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Oh, so you took him out of the tank.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Yeah, we put him in a new tank, we moved the heater
over and all that.
Wow, oh jeez, is he doing okay?
Speaker 4 (08:59):
He looked so puffy in the top half he looked like
somebody put an orby inside ofhim how do you fix him?
Do you just wait him?
Out, there's some kind ofmedication and then just waiting
him out with it.
He's in an empty fish bowl withjust the stuff that he
mentioned the tank heater andstuff.
If an orb appears in there,we'll know it came from Steve.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Oh jeez, he's doing a lot.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
Yeah, he wasn't moving.
He's moving around a lot more.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
so, yeah, whatever those give off.
We looked in, not good.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Either that or he bit into one and it released some
kind of chemical because he waslike laying on the bottom of the
tank and just like reallyreally lethargic.
Poor Steve.
I know we tried to do somethingnice for him and look what
happened, oh my God.
So hopefully Steve's hospitaltank stay.
I think he likes it.
I think he likes looking at theplants that he can see.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Or watching TV or watching TV.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
I feel like it's those kids back in the day I'm
talking about way back in theday for a reason because they
would get the little hot wheels,because the parents like, oh,
they'll love these, and theywould like put them in their
mouth and they had lead paintand then they got sick.
Yeah, I don't know why.
My brain immediately went tokids who bite wheels off of
things.
Okay, I hate too much work.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Yeah, it is way heads off of dolls.
Yep, so to crotchless tunicscrotchless tunics, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
What part of a tunic has a crotch anyway?
Right, aren't all?
Speaker 1 (10:18):
tunics crotchless.
Well, let's define a tunicfirst want me to look it up yes,
please, I was like you'relooking at me oh all right,
let's see I thought he was gonnapull it off um, okay, well, my
phone took tunic and made itethnic, so that was interesting.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Um, okay, a tunic, according to google, is a loose
garment, typically sleevelessand reaching to the wearer's
knees.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
So it's a piece of clothing you put on, okay.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
So, it's a tube.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
It's essentially like a smock kind of, or like a
dress basically.
It lays over and it's veryloose.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Which makes sense because it's so medieval England
right now.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
I'm so confused about the crotchless piece because
I've never heard someone referto anything as a, so it's like a
big hole.
It's like a dress.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
All dresses are crotchless.
I was going to say it sounds alot like you know, like a wizard
.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Like a wizard's robe.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Yeah, something like that, just without the arm holes
.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
I'm going to get a picture.
Would that help if I get apicture?
Okay, let's get a picture.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Well, that won't help our wanderers, yeah, but it
will help Hannah.
Unless you're driving right now.
Please take the time to pausethis episode and Google a tunic.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
Tunic.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Okay, it looks like a dress or a skirt or a kilt.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
It's one piece, so it's like that top piece and
then it usually like bunches inaround the waist and it's
basically like a dress.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
From my understanding , I mean we really could go into
it here and be like, you know,men now not all men, men
excluded right here but likesome men are like, that'd be
like so feminine if I wore adress, like looking back men
wore heels, they wore makeup,they wore wigs, they wore
dresses.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
So, and kilts.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
That's another episode.
And kilts, that's what I wasgoing to say.
That's a whole other episode,but anyhow, that's for our other
podcast.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
In medieval england, wealthy gentlemen often wore
clothing that left their assetsexposed, by way of short-fitting
tunics with no pants.
If the genitals didn't hang lowenough, padded, flesh-coated
prosthetics called briquetteswould be used.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
Wait, wait, I'm sorry if the penis didn't protrude
long enough.
That small dick energy.
They put a prosthetic penis.
Essentially they stuffed theirjunk I.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
I think they're talking about the balls.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
If the genitals didn't hang low enough, padded,
flesh-coated prosthetics calledbriquettes would be used.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
It does sound like the balls.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
Wow, In that kind of ensemble I don't think I would
want my genitals to hang out thebottom.
What year?
Speaker 1 (12:41):
was this again.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
It just says medieval England, so probably 1600 maybe
.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Oh, medieval, okay, 15, 16, okay.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
How else do you market yourself if you don't
plop?
Speaker 3 (12:50):
the family jewels right on the living room table.
Excuse me while.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
I move this over, and then a prosthetic piece falls
out all over the place.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Oh, let me go fix this.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
Well, that's embarrassing, dropped my tissue
ball.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
All right, I'm going to read one more and I'll pass
it to you.
Sure, Okay, the flea killer,queen Christina ruled Sweden
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from 1632 to 1654.
Oh, penny, whenever she spottedone, she fired the tiny cannon
at it and occasionally made akill shot.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Thank God, we have a kill shot, a kill shot for the
fleece or a kill shot for theperson.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Probably both.
What was your question?
Speaker 2 (13:45):
A kill shot for the fleece or a kill shot for the
person.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
No for the fleece.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
It's like a spit dart it sounds like you're getting
shot at by a shotgun shell.
That's one inch A little 410.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
I'm going to do a temporary pause here.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
All right.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
So do we want to throw some murder in here?
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Murder.
This is a different book.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
Yes, yeah, I just think that book is good, but it
kind of goes away fromnecessarily what people are
subscribing for, like if wethrow some of those in with this
.
So a high-ranking militaryofficer used jogging as a cover
for underwear theft and murder.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Underwear theft.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
Underwear theft and murder.
There's a lot of crotch talkthis episode.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Yeah, maybe that's like our theme.
I like it Crotch talk I willdefinitely pick that up.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Canadian Armed Forces Colonel David Williams claimed
he was going on daily runs in2007, but he was really breaking
into his neighbor's homes andphotographing himself wearing
the underwear of femaleresidents.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Oh, my God.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Mind you, that was 2007.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Canadians.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
We love our Canadian listeners.
In 2009, he started to assaultwomen before stealing their
underwear oh, canadians, we loveour Canadian listeners.
In 2009,.
He started to assault womenbefore stealing their underwear,
oh.
And then moved up to murder,kidnapping a woman on a highway
before killing her and ditchingher body in a forest.
Wow, what a terror.
Police secured a tire printnear the victim's home and an
officer called out a match onWilliam's car at a checkpoint.
After 10 hours of questioninghe confessed Can you imagine
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being a high-ranking militaryofficer and then you've got to
sit there and confess that youwere breaking into your
neighbor's homes and prancingaround in their underpants?
Speaker 2 (15:20):
There's going to be something crazy in that maple
syrup.
They got up there.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
This is where, like for me, murder becomes
interesting, likepsychologically why women's
underwear?
Speaker 1 (15:32):
you know?
Speaker 4 (15:34):
and at what point did it lose the luster of just
breaking in and taking theunderwear?
And then you're like you knowwhat I should do.
Up my game, I should kill womenfor their dirty and he's like
losing the high.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Maybe that wasn't the case, maybe it was.
They're like what are you doingin my house?
He's like, uh, stab that's howquick stabbing happens.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
But I feel maybe he like is losing the high, like he
had this high off of having theunderwear on and then, all
right, it's losing its luster.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
I need to up my game well, and so they had said that
he started to assault them.
I'm wondering if, for him, ifhe started to question like
masculinity is a big thing, ifhe started to say why am I
wearing's underwear?
I'm a man and that power pieceof I can still be a man, I
always go back to mommy issues.
I mean, there's certainly.
I wonder if the underwear isthe same type that his mother
wore.
Anyways, moving on, it onlyfeels fitting that Halloween is
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all year round for us and thenext one is about Halloween.
Only one death has ever beenlinked to purposefully tainted
Halloween candy.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
Only one, and that's wild, because my dad used to be
like you can't eat yourHalloween candy until we've
looked.
They made it sound likeeverybody on the block was
putting razor blades or fentanyl.
They made it sound like everyneighborhood had someone.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Well, when we went Halloween trick-or-treating it
was always in my aunt's littlearea and we knew all the people
that were giving out the candy.
It wasn't like we ever went tolike a random neighborhood.
My mother would never allowthat.
So my mom be like okay, I knowthis candy's fine because always
there was gonna be razor blades.
They're gonna have syringeswith blood in it or something I
always wondered where that camefrom.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
I always figured it was like an early 2000s thing,
just based off of like talkingto people.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
No it was like that in the 90s too.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
Apparently in earlier .
Speaker 1 (17:14):
But the thing is, if you go and buy drugs, why would
you waste it?
Speaker 4 (17:18):
Why would you waste it?
By giving it to kids.
What kind of miserable oldprick is like.
You know what would be greatRazorblades and candy Like what
You're not even going to like.
You're not even going to like.
Even if bear with me you werethe kind of person who liked to
watch people suffer.
They're going home to eat thecandy.
You're not going to get anygain out of it.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Would you guys also see the craze?
I mean it's going a little offtopic, but people would be
opening their oranges and theywere seeing like blood in them,
like people were stabbing itwith AIDS blood, what I don't
think that was even real, butthey were opening the oranges
and was filled with blood.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
Honestly, sometimes the internet makes me nervous
because you can look at anythingLike.
There was a whole thing alittle while ago about soda cans
and people saying they werefinding like mice and rats in
the soda cans what?
Speaker 2 (18:00):
And I know it's not logical.
I've seen some of that stuff.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
Totally freaked me out.
For like two months I wouldn'tdrink out of a can Because the
idea that a rat could be in it.
I mean, how would a rat fit ina soda?
Speaker 3 (18:13):
can I mean because they actually put this top on
after they put the liquid inright?
I guess a mouse could fall in.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Yeah, but if you watch some of the canning things
, that happens fast it does.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
It does happen fast.
I don't know it.
It's a I don't know weird.
But also one more thing,because this is also one reason
why I don't like to pump gastrauma here, the needles
underneath the yes, that wasthat was actually happening in
our area like 10 years ago.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
Yeah, that was a thing in massachusetts.
Yeah, and that's one of thereasons why I don't like to pump
gas.
That sounds convenient anywaysthanks to my best friend thanks
to our tainted halloween candy.
In 1974, texan ronald o O'Brienhanded out pixie sticks laced
with cyanide to five children,including his eight-year-old son
(18:58):
, timothy.
Oh my God what and like okay,I'll keep reading.
I'll just.
He was in the middle of acustody dispute with his former
wife and had intended to harmhis son to exact revenge on his
estranged spouse.
Fuck you, ronald.
Wow.
Timothy O'Brien died.
Ronald O'Brien received thedeath penalty.
The other four kids didn't eattheir poisoned candy.
How'd he die?
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What year was this?
Again um 1974?
So it's probably the electricchair, probably.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
I mean, we could definitely um google it hold on
I have, my, I have my phonesomewhere where, where, all
right.
What was his whole name?
Speaker 4 (19:34):
ronald ronald o'brien o apostrophe capital b?
R-y-a-n oh, r-y yep, theydidn't say he was the candy man,
I mean, that fits yeah oh, hewas executed by lethal injection
really it must have been reallysoon in the lethal injection
(19:55):
game.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
He okay a little more extra info poisoned his son in
order to claim life insurancemoney oh disgusting.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
He was at a hundred thousand dollars with the debt,
so harm his son to exact revengeand make financial gain he even
looks like a douche let's seehim the old guy he looks so
creepy old guy yeah and alsofriends, I guess.
Be careful with pixie sticks.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
New fear unlocked temporarily but me and rob love
pixie sticks well, check it forcyanide, right rob oh okay, this
is an interesting potential one.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
I don't feel like the title gives us really any
information, but that makes itmore interesting.
Witnesses calling for a killerto leave couldn't dissuade him
from completing a murder.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Dissuade him.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
Mm-hmm.
Okay, kitty Genovese returnedto her home in Queens, new York,
around 3 am on March 13th 1964.
Before she could open her door,a man attacked and repeatedly
stabbed her.
Oh, kitty called out for helpin no uncertain terms, yelling
he stabbed me, please help me.
Several residents awoke, turnedon their lights and opened
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their windows with just one manyelling, leave that girl alone.
As if that's going to help.
The attacker ran off.
But when things quieted down hereturned and stabbed kitty
again.
She called for help.
Again the attacker ran away andfinally, at 3 50 am, police
were summoned, so that you'retalking a whole hour of people
being like essentially shut up,leave her alone, um, when they
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could have potentially helpedher kitty died before just
getting stabbed multiple times.
Kitty died before she made it tothe hospital.
Nearly 40 people had witnessedthe assault and nobody
intervened.
It was an example of diffusionof responsibility.
Everyone had assumed somebodyelse would help or call.
And then Genovese syndrome is aterm used today to describe why
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humans become helplessbystanders in urgent situations.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
They've done like experiments on that.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
Yeah, I mean, and it I guess, for you have to
consider, like, the culture ofan area, Like I mean, we're here
right, how many times have webeen sitting in the living room
reading and someone out there isyelling and we're like, shut up
?
Speaker 3 (22:04):
It's true.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
It's true.
I mean honestly.
Honestly, I would like tobelieve I've never been placed
in that situation.
If somebody were yelling helpme, they're stabbing me, that I
would call 9-1-1.
Yeah, um, but how many timeshas somebody yelled just like ah
, and you're like?
Speaker 3 (22:18):
well, there's that thing, too, where everyone's oh,
someone else will get it,someone else will get it right.
So a good story to talk aboutnow is me and rob were on the
mass pike and we saw this carpulled over and there was this.
She was probably elderly, shemust have been in her 60s.
Over this man in the grass,just like sitting over him, like
(22:39):
something was obviously wrong.
And rob was great.
He's like I'm gonna call 9-1-1,and of course someone had
already called.
But it's like we could havebeen like oh, someone's already
gonna call it, but what if wewere the only ones that called
911?
I'd rather annoy a dispatcherfor five seconds than not call
at all.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
Well, the day not last.
Yeah, last Christmas Eve, whenwe were coming home.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Oh yep.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
There was the man who was crashed into the guardrail
and of course he was in the roadand bleeding, so I got out to
provide some kind of medicalattention.
Oh, yeah, he drove right intothat thing he was gushing out of
his head.
His head went into thewindshield.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Yeah, he was not wearing a seatbelt or anything.
Probably what broke his arm?
Oh, definitely His arm wasgoing the wrong way.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
While he was on with 911, other people.
They were saying, oh yep,someone else is calling in,
someone else is calling line,and they stayed on with us until
the police arrived.
Oh, that's good, but like threeor four or five people didn't
stop.
I mean it was at night.
I wouldn't have stopped if Iwas by myself, I would have just
called 911.
But there was two other peoplewho did stop.
One kept.
(23:37):
She was like, oh okay, peopleare with him, I'm going to go
home.
And then the little old man,because he didn't want me
standing by myself near him.
I mean, the guy was obviouslyintoxicated, but it is, it's the
same thing.
People are like, oh, I'm sure,yeah, there's six people here,
but you have to consider thatnot everybody has the same.
Yeah, I don't even want to saymorals.
I'll say not everyone has thesame experience.
(23:59):
So some people might seesomething and go, oh, I'm sure
it's fine.
And some people might be likethe way that Lady's over him in
the grass, with the training andexperiences I've had, is
telling me something is wrong.
Something's wrong, yeah, and Iwould always rather be wrong and
be like, hey, sorry to callthis in, but maybe he's throwing
up because he's been drinking Idon't know.
He clearly is having some kindof bad time.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Yep, yeah, and I had the car parked far enough away
too.
He was I think about that man alot.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
I'm just lucky I haven't received a summons for
that man yet, because Idefinitely had to put a written
statement out.
Do you want to do one more?
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Yeah, go for it Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
This one's about fingerprinting, which I think is
really interesting.
The title is fingerprinting wasfirst used to convict criminals
after a 1905 robbery.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Interesting.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
So I mean 1905, robbery interesting, so I mean
19.
That's kind of a long I feellike people are like
fingerprinting is new and I'mlike not really, I mean they've
I.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
I feel like it's evolving.
Yeah right, it's like anever-evolving thing.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Well, and they're getting I mean, it goes off of a
database, so they're gettingaccess to more and more people
for different reasonsfingerprints which just
initially, when they didn't havea data bank, they were just
kind of like, oh great, we havethis fingerprint.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
I'm kind of curious though, like when they started
realizing that fingerprints arean individual thing.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
Just like DNA.
Maybe it'll say oh, maybe itwill.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
I'll look it up, just in case.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
London shopkeeper Thomas Farrow was killed in a
stick-up gone awry one morningin March 1905, a crime that also
involved two men going intoFarrow's attached residence to
look for cash and viciouslybeating Anne I'm assuming,
because they don't have the sameone, so I'm assuming a wife or
a significant other.
Police had little evidencebeyond a greasy fingerprint on
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an empty cash box.
Fingerprinting was still in itsinfancy, a novelty in evidence
detecting, with neighborssuggesting that the crime was
the work of known thieves,alfred and Albert Stratton.
Detectives compared thefingerprint on the cash box with
one they had on file of Albert.
The prints matched and it wasentered as evidence in the trial
of Alfred Stratton.
This was the first time thatfingerprints were used as
(26:04):
evidence in a criminal trial.
Stratton was found guilty ofmurder.
Were used as evidence in acriminal trial.
Stratton was found guilty ofmurder.
So I suppose the way thatthat's written it was the first
time it was used in a criminaltrial.
I'm assuming that they had usedit to lead them to more
evidence, but they hadn'tactually presented it as like.
Hannah is guilty.
And here's the reason why?
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Because of this yes, right, right, it was the end of
the meeting.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
What's that say they would start with?
Like we're placing her herebecause we have this Right but
this itself is not the evidence.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
So I guess the scientific understanding of
fingerprints to be unique had todo with the work of Sir Francis
Galton in the late 19th century, who published his findings in
1892.
Establishing that fingerprintsare both permanent and an
individual to each person.
But something interesting aboutwhat I think is interesting.
So we've all burnt ourselvesright from, like picking
(26:53):
something up too fast orwhatever, but if you burn it
enough you actually lose thefingerprint yeah, and you can
alter some of where the rigidthings are too, or if you like
cut your fingers.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
You know you.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
Yeah, you permanently alter it right and even though
it's just slightly, I'm surethey can still pick up on what
they call like a partial, likethey can get, but like for jobs.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
I've had and I'm sure you have had too.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
I've been fingerprinted.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
We need to do fingerprints because we work
with children.
Whenever you're in a school.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
I worked in a preschool, actual school like
where they did education based,not just like the preschool
daycare version.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
So anytime you're education-based, they make you
do all the fingerprinting so wego through state federal FBI
everything I can't commit anycrimes because between my hair
shedding and these greasy oldfingerprints.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
I leave fingerprints on everything.
My phone right now is adisaster of fingerprints.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Yeah, and I cleaned it off.
What yesterday?
Speaker 4 (27:43):
My screen in my car is like all fingerprints.
I'm like I hate it.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
I always have had that and you just got a new car
Very distinctive Yep.
I'm sorry because.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
I said one more and then I looked and just got like
the quick preview of the titlefor the next one and it really
tied into the episode that wedid where Rob's cousin Patrick
was here.
And we talked about serialkillers and their last meals and
things.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
Can I get a refill though real quick before we do
that?
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Yeah, you guys, okay with that.
You want to grab me one?
Yeah, sure, thank you.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
So I will grab some out of the serial killer section
.
Okay, do you want to read themor do you want me to?
Okay, okay, rodney Alcaladefended himself in court.
This seems very Ted Bundy ofhim, right?
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Very Ted Bundy of him .
I shall do this myself.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
Okay, rodney declined his right to an attorney, even
a state-appointed one, when ontrial for his various murders in
California.
Ted Bundy, very Ted Bundy.
Sorry, what year is this, doesit say?
It didn't say, yet he acted ashis own lawyer instead and
actually interrogated himself onthe witness stand.
Wow, it gets better, but wait,there's more.
(28:49):
Addressing Mr Alcala in abooming voice and then answering
himself in his normal voiceOkay, I'm sorry, psyche Val is
all I'm thinking to myself rightnow.
Plot twist, he was convictedanyway.
I am going to look up Rodneybecause it doesn't give us any
date and it doesn't tell usanything about him.
And I just I'm a littleimpressed by him, court, but
(29:10):
like psyche Val.
Like, wouldn't that like dingding ding.
Oh, okay, so he was born August23rd 1943.
So he was before Bundy.
He died of a heart attack inCalifornia July 24th 2021.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Oh, wow.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
Recent.
Okay, so let's get a littlewikipedia situation adam
interesting.
So rodney james alcala, bornrodrigo jacks alcala.
Okay, also like bondi, becausebondi right, yeah um was an
american serial killer, rap andconvicted sex offender who was
sentenced to death in Californiafor five murders committed
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between 1977 and 1979.
He also pleaded guilty andreceived a sentence of 25 years
to life for two further murderscommitted in New York.
He was also indicted for amurder in Wyoming, although the
charges filed there were dropped.
Also like Bundy, travelingeverywhere.
While he has been linkedconclusively to eight murders,
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the true number of victimsremains unknown and could be as
high as 130.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Just like Ted.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
Bundy, we're not sure how many.
Wow the similarities Eightconfirmed, 130 possible.
Yeah, how does he look?
He looks exactly like you would.
They did like a early and late.
He almost looks a little likeBundy yeah.
Very, hmm, very.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
And how does his?
Speaker 4 (30:36):
timeline flesh up with Bundy.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
So he was a little bit older than Bundy, but Maybe
Bundy was copying him the wholetime.
Because Bundy's child was bornabout the early 80s, so a little
older than rob, and that's wheneverything was going down, my
goodness so I just I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
I was reading and I saw a news article popped up
that said um, published november28th 2024, so two days ago and
the title is dating game GameKiller Kept Trophies that
Ultimately Led to His Downfall.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Wait a minute is that the show, the movie?
Yeah, oh my God.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Oh no, there's a Netflix show.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
right, yeah, it started with, while the recent
release of a new film hasbrought the infamous case of a
serial killer, rodney Alcala,back into the public eye.
Oh my God, back into the publiceye Wow.
It's a former detective whohelped put him behind bars for
life, told Fox News Digitalabout a pair of earrings that
led to his ultimate downfall.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Does it say what the actress's name was?
Speaker 3 (31:37):
Yes, it's the one from Pitch Perfect.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Oh yeah, Anna Kendrick.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
Anna Kendrick, woman of the.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Hour.
Right, she decided not to takeany money for the and she
donated all of it, yeah see goodfor her.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
This article is is very interesting and talk about
funny how we're we're readingthis out of the book.
Yeah, two days ago they postedthis article that I never
realized.
Like, when I read his name, Itruthfully had no idea who he
was.
I didn't, um, I guess he wascoined.
You know how they always havethose serial killer names.
He was dubbed the dating gamekiller.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Right.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
Because he appeared on the television show the
Dating Game as a Bachelor numberone in 1978.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
Okay, you were called to read this one Creepy, I
don't want to be called byRodney.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
There are lots of people I'm okay with being
called by.
Rodney is not on the list.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Now that you're reading more of that and,
because of what you said, themovie on Netflix that Anna
Kendrick, like it's all makingsense, because I remember seeing
that and I think I'm told youabout it or meant to.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
It's hard when a lot of the things you consume,
whether it's like TikTok orReels or books you're reading
when they're all about the sametopic.
Sometimes it's hard to keepstraight like, okay, who is that
person, or is that the one thismovie was about?
So that's definitely very.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Do you want to watch the movie?
Kind of.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Maybe we'll do that when you guys are at the game.
I believe it's a series.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
Like a docu-series.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
Kind of situation.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
No, no, but it's not reality.
They don't.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
No, I think it's like the one they did with I think
it was Ted Bundy.
Yeah, it's a series.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Yes, like they did with Zac Efron.
Yeah, yep, zac Efron.
I know right, how did he?
Speaker 4 (33:17):
get cast for that part.
You know what we won't.
No disrespect, I'll just moveto the next, if you want or do
you want to read a different one?
Speaker 3 (33:23):
May I?
Yes, do you have one, Somethinga little more lighthearted?
Well, I don't know if it'slighthearted but it says
unicorns in the title.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
I see it's going dark .
There be unicorns or not, Iknew there was going to be a
plot twist.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
Myth Farmed explorer Marco Polo saw unicorns in the
13th century.
He described them as uglybrutes.
The reality Historians believethat Marco Polo did see a horned
animal A rhinoceros.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
Rhinos are kind of ugly if you think like they're
gray.
Yeah, they're beautiful in in alife kind of way, but there's
not compared to unicorns, I meando you know what's a scary
animal, a hippo?
Speaker 3 (34:02):
why?
Speaker 2 (34:03):
they oh, they're vicious.
Speaker 4 (34:05):
Have you ever watched those videos of them crushing a
whole watermelon?
Speaker 3 (34:08):
they're vicious like don't get them angry, they're so
cute.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
I feel like a rhino would be about the same, unless
you're Eastern Jura but theylook more intimidating because
of their horn.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
Hippos and rhinoceroses are kind of the
same thing someone's got a hornand one doesn't one's a little
hornier than the other, I guessso so my mom got me this.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
I don't know how to say it Rob, help this little
like rhino.
No, the hippo that moves, whatdo you call it?
Speaker 1 (34:39):
What.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
I'm getting really concerned.
Psyche Val.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
I know, seriously, I have no clue what you're talking
about.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
This hippo toy for me that was electronic, it goes.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
My mom had this hippo toy for me that was electronic.
When was this?
Speaker 3 (34:49):
When I was little.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
How would I know?
Speaker 3 (34:52):
Okay, but I want the word for it.
Was it animatronic?
Is that how you say it?
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Sure.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
A robot you had a hippo robot.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (34:59):
A robotic Okay.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
It scared the living shit out of me.
It sounds terrifying, by theway.
Yes, another childhood trauma,my yes, another childhood trauma
.
My mom still has it.
She brought it out not too faraway and it scared the living
crap out of me.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Not too long ago.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
Yeah, not too long ago.
So no cactuses, no hippos.
This list of things Hannah hastrauma with is getting more
bizarre by the year I've knownher and also, really
frustratingly, not inclusive.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
What do you mean?
So for everyone listening, thatis our Dickens Village.
From what is it?
Studio Department 56.
And we have a church that everyhour it rings.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
So sorry, not sorry.
We've definitely been here fora whole hour then, guys, because
I've heard it chimed twice.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
What do you mean?
Not inclusive?
Speaker 4 (35:43):
Now I'm confused.
Oh just, it's going to bereally hard to give you gifts
because the things are socomplicated.
I'm at the store with this listthat looks like a Santa's list.
It's like you don't make itthis and she has a trauma with
this.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
No, cactus, cactus.
I don't want to touch batteries.
No hippos.
I forgot about that.
I have this thing withbatteries, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
And she's afraid they're going to explode in her
hands, hands like a normaldouble a okay well, we'll go
back to this.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Well, hold on.
Have you licked a nine voltbefore?
Speaker 4 (36:12):
no, tell him that's weird.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Tell him that that's weird, that's what child has not
licked a nine volt battery?
Hasn't you two children areweird right, that's how you know
if it's to work.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
We're also, weren't little boys like you guys, you
know what I know.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
If a battery works, I stick it in something, and if
it doesn't turn on I I'm likewhat's in the battery?
Speaker 2 (36:30):
My mother was the one who was like lick the 9-volt
battery.
That's how you know it stillworks.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
Oh, so it's that Rhode Island thing.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
No, because I did it in Western Mass.
Speaker 4 (36:50):
If you've ever licked a 9-volt battery, go down into
the show notes and send us amessage.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
Cousin Mark, cousin, mark, tell them, tell them, it's
not normal to lick nine-voltbatteries, please Awkward lull
while we all text him.
All right.
Myth Unicorns are mentioned inthe Bible nine times the reality
.
The word seems to have firstpopped up in the 1611 version of
the King James Bible.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
The.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
Anarchy of James.
I have so much things I couldsay but I'm not going to.
Scholars say it wasn't magicthat put unicorns into holy
scripture.
It was mistranslation andmisunderstanding, like so much
of the bible.
The hebrew word raym, which istranslated to english as unicorn
, most likely referred to theraimu, a now extinct species of
ox interesting.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
Interesting we can get into.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
Bible stuff someday.
All right, there we go.
Myth.
The horn of a captured unicorn,when ground into a powder, has
medicinal qualities such as theability to destroy poison and
purify water.
In the 16th century, an intactunicorn horn was worth 10 times
more than gold.
They were sold in pharmacieswell into the 1700s.
The reality is shady merchantsgot their unicorn horns quote
(37:52):
from the narwhal, a type ofwhale with a protruding tooth
that looks like a horn.
Those poor narwhals.
Speaker 4 (37:58):
They were being scalped and they weren't even
getting credit for the thingsthat they were being stripped of
.
Can I?
Speaker 3 (38:04):
read one more yes.
History North Korea style.
Oh boy.
In november 2012, thegovernment run north korean
central news agency announcedthe scientists there had found
the burial site of a unicorn theone that was said to have been
ridden by king dong young I'msorry, I probably butchered that
who had founded korea, known asgoyeo at the time in 37 BC.
(38:28):
The site was located near atemple in the North Korean
capital of Pyongyang.
A rock engraved with unicornlayer marked the grave.
Sung Yong Lee, a professor ofKorean studies at Tufts
University, told Live Sciencethat the report was political
propaganda.
So why would the governmentclaim that unicorns are real?
To support King Jong-un, NorthKorea's leader?
(38:50):
Of course it's symbolicallysaid.
North Koreans don't takereports like this literally the
way Westerners would.
Another professor said thereport was mistranslated.
What was found was not aunicorn's lair at all.
It was the burial site of aKireen.
What's that?
A beast with a dragon's head, adeer's body and the tail of a
cow.
I don't know if that's worsethan a unicorn A beast with a
(39:14):
dragon's head, a deer's body andthe tail of a cow.
But no fantasy's good.
No, that's a lot of unicorns, Ididn't know.
The next one was about unicorns.
Just north korea caught myattention.
Speaker 4 (39:26):
Who would have thought north korea and unicorns
would have just made a sandwich.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
Yeah, hey, rob yeah I think pizza man would like.
Uh, that show you watch onYouTube.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
Which one?
Speaker 3 (39:38):
Remember he went into North Korea.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Oh yes, the Indigo, traveler.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
Yeah, you would like him.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
I just looked at a little fun fact for you guys too
.
Go ahead, pizza man, completely.
I mean, I guess it does have todo with murder.
So you know, let me get to thatfirst or it'll be second.
So you know, let me get to thatfirst or it'll be second.
So the release date, so funfact.
The release date for Star Warscame out in May 25th 1977.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
Right, the last person to be executed.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
I'm just kidding, sorry, the last person to be
executed by guillotine was howmany?
I'm not even going to try topronounce the name, but it was
on September 10th 1977 in France.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
They used guillotine for a very long time 1977.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Star Wars came out in 1977.
So imagine you just walked outof the theater watching Star
Wars.
Obviously, you know, if theythey kept in theaters that long
and be like you know what I'mgonna go watch a beheading.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
That is kind of funny oh boy, thank you pizza man.
How did you find that like?
Were you like random facts?
Speaker 2 (40:55):
no, um, I remember watching a thing that I was
saying two different comparedtimelines oh, a lot of things.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
I was like I'm just gonna look this up real quick
because I figured you guys wouldappreciate that yes yeah, I I
think there's more if I actuallypull up the whole little little
thing, the real so, pizza man,I don't know if you listened to
that episode that we did withRob's cousin, patrick, but we
all talked about if we had todie by the way of the government
(41:24):
, which one would we choose?
And I picked beheading and theyall looked at me like I was
crazy.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
I mean it's quick.
Speaker 4 (41:31):
We also picked what our last meal would be if we
were going on death row.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
Yes, and I wanted all my mommy's food, which was it's
fine, my, it's fine.
My mom has good cooking.
I think rob was a firing squadI think so courtney.
Speaker 4 (41:48):
Do you remember what yours?
Speaker 2 (41:49):
I don't think I picked one I mean the beheading
is, without a doubt, quick butthey said, it wasn't what if it
didn't work the first time?
Speaker 3 (41:57):
I mean, I would sure hope that thing's gonna but I I
watched um a ghost adventuresbecause you guys know that, um,
you know I have a certain crushon someone, but anyways, so they
were at ohio state penitentiaryand this guy.
That's a good trip.
Yes, it looks amazing.
I would love to go with youguys yeah, I would love to, but
the hanging that they did theguy.
(42:19):
It took him 15 minutes to dieby hanging.
Speaker 4 (42:25):
Yeah, I know, I would have never chose hanging, I
know for me that's.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
But like by that time , why did someone just not end
his misery?
Speaker 2 (42:32):
I mean, that's like crucifixion that one actually
takes forever to die.
Speaker 4 (42:36):
Actually I want to say Patrick and I both said
lethal injection, Did you?
I think we did.
Oh man, I can't find it.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
That one also has its issues.
Speaker 4 (42:45):
They all have their issues.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
They're all problematic, because even if you
take beheading by sword, I meanby sword.
If it's not sharp enough orsomeone's not strong enough, or
drawn and quartered.
Do you know drawn and quartered?
Does everyone know what drawnand quartered is?
No?
Speaker 2 (43:05):
oh, isn't that the one where you're hooked up to
horses?
Speaker 3 (43:08):
each limb to a horse, and then they kick them, and
then they go in each direction.
Nope, alright, we ready for ourcard yes, we are it's a king of
clubs.
Daryl jenkins jr.
On june 4 2014, the victim wasshot in front of his residence
on kessington avenue inspringfield oh witnesses heard
(43:30):
multiple shots in the area and afemale who was present in the
area was also shot but survived.
If you have any info about thiscase, please call
1-855-MA-SOLVE.
Daryl Jenkins Jr.
Speaker 4 (43:44):
I don't know why.
When I picked up the cards, Iwas like we're going to know
this card.
I'm still really like my mindis still blown that, and Pizza
Ben doesn't know this butthere's a case from my childhood
that my mom always talked aboutwith someone who she knew and I
talked about it on like threedifferent episodes.
When Hannah asked questions andthe last time I pulled a card
it was her card and I was like Ihad goosebumps up both arms.
(44:06):
I was like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
I'm pretty sure I pulled the card and read it and
then your face just dropped.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
Yeah, daryl Jenkins, that sounds really familiar.
But anyways, what?
Was the year on, it Did we 2014.
Speaker 4 (44:22):
Okay, so it was recent, so it's probably
something that we consumed inthe media.
Looking at, Probably.
That's because the name didsound really familiar and I have
to say, like just shuffling thecards, what I find to be the
most sad part of all of it isalmost all of the victims at
least the ones that are left inour half a deck as I was
shuffling are youngAfrican-American males.
And it is so sad because Iwould say, out of the cards that
(44:45):
are remaining here, threequarters of them are
African-American males young allunder the age of 25.
Speaker 3 (44:50):
It also makes you think like okay, do we just not
have any information?
Or no one even bothered to look?
Speaker 4 (44:54):
No, and that's exactly what I was going to say
it's so hard to overlook, likethat's the data, like as I'm
shuffling, I'm like, oh, one,two, three, four, like it's sad,
it's really sad, it's fucked up, it's very fucked up.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (45:09):
For whatever reason that's drawn out that way, it
certainly doesn't look very good.
Speaker 3 (45:15):
No, well, I appreciate Pizza man being here,
thank you.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
All right.
Well, goodbye Courtney, goodbyeHannah and goodbye Wanderers.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
See you next time.
Speaker 3 (45:24):
Bye.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
Later.
Speaker 3 (45:27):
Thanks for listening.
Today.
Wicked Wanderings is hosted byme Hannah and co-hosted by me
Courtney.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
And it's produced by Rob Fitzpatrick.
Speaker 3 (45:35):
Music by Sasha M.
If you enjoyed today's episode,don't forget to leave a rating
and review and be sure to followon all socials.
You can find the links down inthe show notes.
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head over to the merch store.
Thank you for being a part ofthe Wicked Wanderings community.
We appreciate every one of you.
Stay curious, keep exploringand always remember to keep on
(45:57):
wandering.
Thank you.
Pizza man.
What did you have for breakfast?
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Two bacon McDoubles.
Speaker 1 (00:03):
From McDonald's Yep.
Speaker 3 (00:05):
Not a sponsor, but they should be I don't know With
all the E coli, I don't know ifI want them to be a sponsor
right now I was going to say doyou want McDonald's to sponsor
this podcast?
Speaker 1 (00:15):
But those nuggets they do have a special right now
on the nuggets.
Speaker 4 (00:19):
They do have a pretty good special $1 for 10.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
You gotta order through that though.
Oh yeah, that's how they getyou.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
Once a week yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
I think it's once per day, week, oh.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Courtney's.
Like I checked, I knew whatlooked.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
That's why you clicked the other coupon earlier
.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Mm-hmm, okay, okay hi , I'm hannah and I'm courtney.
Join us as we delve into truecrime, paranormal encounters and
all things spooky grab yourflashlight and get ready to
(01:02):
wander into the darkness with us.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
This is wicked wanderings spooky.
Grab your flashlight and getready to wander into the
darkness with us.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
This is Wicked Wanderings.
Well, hello Wanderers.
And I'm going to say hello tothree people that are here, Of
course, Courtney, thank you forgracing us with your presence
once again.
Hello, Rob.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Hello.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
And we have Pizza man back for episode two.
Hello, Pizza man.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Why hello.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Are we ever going to tell them his identity?
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Maybe we can make it like a if everybody.
How many subscribers do we need?
Producer?
I don't know how manysubscribers do we need to
release?
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Probably one, since last time we asked we only got
one.
I mean from last time, that'sokay.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
I think we might have fan mail also.
I don't know if you want to.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
We do have some fan mail.
We have fan mail From Cousin.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Mark, I see it Like I'll be like working and it's
like Cousin Mark and I'm like,oh, cousin Mark.
Rob, do you want to read someof the fan mail?
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Yeah, I can, I can pull it up, all right.
So I got two from November 6thand Cousin Mark says Cousin Mark
, here the bonus episode islocked.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Oh man, wow, not the bonus episode, rob.
What is it that people can doif they find that they're trying
to get in and it's locked?
Speaker 1 (02:26):
You can email support at support at I just repeated
myself.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Support at.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Buzzsprout.
Support at support.
The support email is support atbuzzsproutcom and they can help
you out.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
They're definitely very helpful because I had to do
that before I joined WickedWanderers as a subscriber and
that same thing was happening tome, where it was like locking
me out, and they're definitelyvery helpful because I had to do
that before I joined.
Wicked Wondering as asubscriber and that same thing
was happening to me, where itwas like locking me out.
Yes or you can text one of us,Cousin Mark, and we'll help you.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Yeah, definitely November 6th.
Cousin Mark here FuckingPutnams.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Fucking Putnams.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Listening to last Bundy episode and about the
accused people.
Lol.
Do you know what he's talkingabout?
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Nope, I don't know if he's putting two things
together.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
I don't know the accused people.
And then on November 22nd,cousin Mark here Fucking Putnams
.
And then November 22nd, cousinMark here I always come through.
Somehow you do Cousin Mark, wedo bring Cousin Mark here, I
always come through somehow.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Yes, you do Cousin, mark, we do bring up.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Cousin Mark a lot, and then also November 22nd
Cousin Mark here.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
And we love you, cousin Mark, I really appreciate
it.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
I also do want to apologize to the Wanderers for
not having anything this pastweek, but it was Thanksgiving
week, so hope everyone had agreat Thanksgiving, if you
celebrate.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
And if you want to see all our fan mail, you can go
to our website that's wickedwanderings dot com, and you can
click on the fan mail and weusually pin most of the fan
mails up there so you can seewhat other people are saying
about this lovely podcast.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
As long as they're appropriate.
We'll preface it by saying thatas long as they're appropriate.
We'll preface it by saying thatas long as they're appropriate.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
And if you want to reach out to us through fan mail
, there's a link down in theshow notes it will send us a
message through our Buzzsproutapp.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
As long as we're not logged out.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
And then we can read it live here, all right.
So, hannah, what are we doingtoday?
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Today, courtney and Pizza man got this great book
called Strange HistoryMysterious Artifacts, macabre
Legends, boneheaded Blunders andMind-Blowing Facts.
It doesn't really say who it'sby, though.
That's the weird part.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
The beauty of thrift finds is that you don't even
know what you're looking foruntil it's sitting in front of
you.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Oh, it's by the Bathroom Readers Institute.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Oh, it's by the Bathroom Readers Institute.
Oh, so it's a book that'ssupposed to be in the bathroom.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
Well, we're right next door to the bathroom.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
They're nice short little like weird stories, so
I'm just going to read the firstone and we'll see how we feel.
Are we ready?
Speaker 2 (04:59):
We're ready.
Do we need a drum roll?
Speaker 3 (05:02):
No, no, no.
Okay, I do not have one on mysoundboard I only have.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
Fucking Putnams.
I like the fucking Putnamsbetter.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Chi Chi equals Nasty, nasty.
That's the title.
Oh boy, oh boy is right.
This strange Broadway musical,written in 1928 by the legendary
duo of Richard Rogers andLauren's Heart, put an end to
their long string of successfulshows.
Why?
It may have been thesquirm-inducing plot based on a
comic novel called the Son ofthe Grand Eunuch.
In case you don't know, eunuchswere men who had been castrated
(05:33):
and employed to guard thewomen's living areas.
Oh okay.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Castrated and then employed.
Because they were castrated toguard women's living areas.
Just making sure we've all gotthat crystal clear Okay.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Rogers and Hart set their story in ancient China.
The emperor's grand eunuch, liPi Cao, tells his son Li Pi Chao
that he wants him to take overhis job.
But Li Pi Chao is in love witha beautiful woman named Qiqi and
doesn't want to become a eunuch.
So the lovers flee and embarkon a series of misadventures in
(06:06):
which Chi Chi has to awardvarious thieves and bullies
sexual favors in order to getherself and Leapy Chow out of
one predicament or another.
The musical bombed.
The review of Chi Chi and theLondon Observer was entitled
simply Nasty, nasty I don't knowwhat I just read.
That feels like one man'spursuit to keep his own penis,
that's
Speaker 2 (06:21):
what it felt like.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
Pretty much it was like the long, the short version
of that story is one man wantedto keep his penis.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
The end Interesting.
Well, it's definitely strange.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Mm-hmm.
I'm going to read another one.
Three strange fads Goldfishswallowing.
On March 3rd 1939, HarvardUniversity student Lothrop
Winthington Jr swallowed a livegoldfish to win a $10 bet.
Days later, not to be outdone,a college student in
Pennsylvania downed threegoldfish seasoned with salt and
pepper.
When a fellow classmate uppedthe ante to six goldfish, the
(06:54):
gauntlet had been thrown downand the goldfish-swallowing
craze spread like wildfire oncampuses across the United
States.
By the time the fad faded a fewmonths later, thousands of
goldfish had met gruesome ends.
Hmm, Tooth dyeing.
In 16th century Europe, toothdyeing was popular among upper
class women.
In Italy, red and green werethe most popular colors, while
Russian women favored black.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Oh, which is funny, because if you think about it
now.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
We really put a high prestige on white Interesting.
Black is very very much Looksrotten looks rotten.
Yeah, a color that you wouldn'timagine would be associated
with status huh, I mean half thetime.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
If you drink a blue drink your teeth blue that's
true.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
That's true.
They could have savedthemselves a lot of money
probably the goldfish swallowingis also very strange yeah, and
and like, are they alive?
Or the goldfish?
Speaker 2 (07:43):
oh, yeah, yeah it's got to be alive.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
So morbidly curious here I just think about okay,
you swallow a live goldfish.
The fish is still alive insideof your body right Is it the
stomach acid that kills the fish.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Oh yeah, definitely.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
How long does that take, though?
It's all flopping around inthere.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Fairly quickly.
Once you swallow it and hit thestomach, the acid will kill
anything.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Oh, God I was going to say I don't think you're
going to feel it flop arounddown in your stomach.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
No, but psychologically I'm feeling it
flopping around.
I don't yeah, yeah, Also justpoor goldfish.
What did they do to deserve?
Speaker 3 (08:20):
that.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
They did nothing.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
We can talk about murder here, but somebody talks
about swallowing a goldfish, andnow I'm pissed.
Yeah, Steve wouldn't like thattoo much.
No, Steve would not like that.
But.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Steve's not a goldfish.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
He's a beta, but he's also a stupid beta, because I'm
pretty sure he ate one of thoseblue beta beads and now he's in
a hospital tank being treatedfor dropsy.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Wait, what's going on with Steve?
He's not at your house.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
Well, he's in a hospital tank at the house
because I think he ate one ofthose blue orbs that was in
there.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Oh, so you took him out of the tank.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Yeah, we put him in a new tank, we moved the heater
over and all that.
Wow, oh jeez, is he doing okay?
Speaker 4 (08:59):
He looked so puffy in the top half he looked like
somebody put an orby inside ofhim how do you fix him?
Do you just wait him?
Out, there's some kind ofmedication and then just waiting
him out with it.
He's in an empty fish bowl withjust the stuff that he
mentioned the tank heater andstuff.
If an orb appears in there,we'll know it came from Steve.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Oh jeez, he's doing a lot.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
Yeah, he wasn't moving.
He's moving around a lot more.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
so, yeah, whatever those give off.
We looked in, not good.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Either that or he bit into one and it released some
kind of chemical because he waslike laying on the bottom of the
tank and just like reallyreally lethargic.
Poor Steve.
I know we tried to do somethingnice for him and look what
happened, oh my God.
So hopefully Steve's hospitaltank stay.
I think he likes it.
I think he likes looking at theplants that he can see.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Or watching TV or watching TV.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
I feel like it's those kids back in the day I'm
talking about way back in theday for a reason because they
would get the little hot wheels,because the parents like, oh,
they'll love these, and theywould like put them in their
mouth and they had lead paintand then they got sick.
Yeah, I don't know why.
My brain immediately went tokids who bite wheels off of
things.
Okay, I hate too much work.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Yeah, it is way heads off of dolls.
Yep, so to crotchless tunicscrotchless tunics, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
What part of a tunic has a crotch anyway?
Right, aren't all?
Speaker 1 (10:18):
tunics crotchless.
Well, let's define a tunicfirst want me to look it up yes,
please, I was like you'relooking at me oh all right,
let's see I thought he was gonnapull it off um, okay, well, my
phone took tunic and made itethnic, so that was interesting.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Um, okay, a tunic, according to google, is a loose
garment, typically sleevelessand reaching to the wearer's
knees.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
So it's a piece of clothing you put on, okay.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
So, it's a tube.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
It's essentially like a smock kind of, or like a
dress basically.
It lays over and it's veryloose.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Which makes sense because it's so medieval England
right now.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
I'm so confused about the crotchless piece because
I've never heard someone referto anything as a, so it's like a
big hole.
It's like a dress.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
All dresses are crotchless.
I was going to say it sounds alot like you know, like a wizard
.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Like a wizard's robe.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Yeah, something like that, just without the arm holes
.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
I'm going to get a picture.
Would that help if I get apicture?
Okay, let's get a picture.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Well, that won't help our wanderers, yeah, but it
will help Hannah.
Unless you're driving right now.
Please take the time to pausethis episode and Google a tunic.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
Tunic.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Okay, it looks like a dress or a skirt or a kilt.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
It's one piece, so it's like that top piece and
then it usually like bunches inaround the waist and it's
basically like a dress.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
From my understanding , I mean we really could go into
it here and be like, you know,men now not all men, men
excluded right here but likesome men are like, that'd be
like so feminine if I wore adress, like looking back men
wore heels, they wore makeup,they wore wigs, they wore
dresses.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
So, and kilts.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
That's another episode.
And kilts, that's what I wasgoing to say.
That's a whole other episode,but anyhow, that's for our other
podcast.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
In medieval england, wealthy gentlemen often wore
clothing that left their assetsexposed, by way of short-fitting
tunics with no pants.
If the genitals didn't hang lowenough, padded, flesh-coated
prosthetics called briquetteswould be used.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
Wait, wait, I'm sorry if the penis didn't protrude
long enough.
That small dick energy.
They put a prosthetic penis.
Essentially they stuffed theirjunk I.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
I think they're talking about the balls.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
If the genitals didn't hang low enough, padded,
flesh-coated prosthetics calledbriquettes would be used.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
It does sound like the balls.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
Wow, In that kind of ensemble I don't think I would
want my genitals to hang out thebottom.
What year?
Speaker 1 (12:41):
was this again.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
It just says medieval England, so probably 1600 maybe
.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Oh, medieval, okay, 15, 16, okay.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
How else do you market yourself if you don't
plop?
Speaker 3 (12:50):
the family jewels right on the living room table.
Excuse me while.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
I move this over, and then a prosthetic piece falls
out all over the place.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Oh, let me go fix this.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
Well, that's embarrassing, dropped my tissue
ball.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
All right, I'm going to read one more and I'll pass
it to you.
Sure, Okay, the flea killer,queen Christina ruled Sweden
(13:27):
from 1632 to 1654.
Oh, penny, whenever she spottedone, she fired the tiny cannon
at it and occasionally made akill shot.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Thank God, we have a kill shot, a kill shot for the
fleece or a kill shot for theperson.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Probably both.
What was your question?
Speaker 2 (13:45):
A kill shot for the fleece or a kill shot for the
person.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
No for the fleece.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
It's like a spit dart it sounds like you're getting
shot at by a shotgun shell.
That's one inch A little 410.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
I'm going to do a temporary pause here.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
All right.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
So do we want to throw some murder in here?
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Murder.
This is a different book.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
Yes, yeah, I just think that book is good, but it
kind of goes away fromnecessarily what people are
subscribing for, like if wethrow some of those in with this
.
So a high-ranking militaryofficer used jogging as a cover
for underwear theft and murder.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Underwear theft.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
Underwear theft and murder.
There's a lot of crotch talkthis episode.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Yeah, maybe that's like our theme.
I like it Crotch talk I willdefinitely pick that up.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Canadian Armed Forces Colonel David Williams claimed
he was going on daily runs in2007, but he was really breaking
into his neighbor's homes andphotographing himself wearing
the underwear of femaleresidents.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Oh, my God.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Mind you, that was 2007.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Canadians.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
We love our Canadian listeners.
In 2009, he started to assaultwomen before stealing their
underwear oh, canadians, we loveour Canadian listeners.
In 2009,.
He started to assault womenbefore stealing their underwear,
oh.
And then moved up to murder,kidnapping a woman on a highway
before killing her and ditchingher body in a forest.
Wow, what a terror.
Police secured a tire printnear the victim's home and an
officer called out a match onWilliam's car at a checkpoint.
After 10 hours of questioninghe confessed Can you imagine
(15:14):
being a high-ranking militaryofficer and then you've got to
sit there and confess that youwere breaking into your
neighbor's homes and prancingaround in their underpants?
Speaker 2 (15:20):
There's going to be something crazy in that maple
syrup.
They got up there.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
This is where, like for me, murder becomes
interesting, likepsychologically why women's
underwear?
Speaker 1 (15:32):
you know?
Speaker 4 (15:34):
and at what point did it lose the luster of just
breaking in and taking theunderwear?
And then you're like you knowwhat I should do.
Up my game, I should kill womenfor their dirty and he's like
losing the high.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Maybe that wasn't the case, maybe it was.
They're like what are you doingin my house?
He's like, uh, stab that's howquick stabbing happens.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
But I feel maybe he like is losing the high, like he
had this high off of having theunderwear on and then, all
right, it's losing its luster.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
I need to up my game well, and so they had said that
he started to assault them.
I'm wondering if, for him, ifhe started to question like
masculinity is a big thing, ifhe started to say why am I
wearing's underwear?
I'm a man and that power pieceof I can still be a man, I
always go back to mommy issues.
I mean, there's certainly.
I wonder if the underwear isthe same type that his mother
wore.
Anyways, moving on, it onlyfeels fitting that Halloween is
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all year round for us and thenext one is about Halloween.
Only one death has ever beenlinked to purposefully tainted
Halloween candy.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
Only one, and that's wild, because my dad used to be
like you can't eat yourHalloween candy until we've
looked.
They made it sound likeeverybody on the block was
putting razor blades or fentanyl.
They made it sound like everyneighborhood had someone.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Well, when we went Halloween trick-or-treating it
was always in my aunt's littlearea and we knew all the people
that were giving out the candy.
It wasn't like we ever went tolike a random neighborhood.
My mother would never allowthat.
So my mom be like okay, I knowthis candy's fine because always
there was gonna be razor blades.
They're gonna have syringeswith blood in it or something I
always wondered where that camefrom.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
I always figured it was like an early 2000s thing,
just based off of like talkingto people.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
No it was like that in the 90s too.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
Apparently in earlier .
Speaker 1 (17:14):
But the thing is, if you go and buy drugs, why would
you waste it?
Speaker 4 (17:18):
Why would you waste it?
By giving it to kids.
What kind of miserable oldprick is like.
You know what would be greatRazorblades and candy Like what
You're not even going to like.
You're not even going to like.
Even if bear with me you werethe kind of person who liked to
watch people suffer.
They're going home to eat thecandy.
You're not going to get anygain out of it.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Would you guys also see the craze?
I mean it's going a little offtopic, but people would be
opening their oranges and theywere seeing like blood in them,
like people were stabbing itwith AIDS blood, what I don't
think that was even real, butthey were opening the oranges
and was filled with blood.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
Honestly, sometimes the internet makes me nervous
because you can look at anythingLike.
There was a whole thing alittle while ago about soda cans
and people saying they werefinding like mice and rats in
the soda cans what?
Speaker 2 (18:00):
And I know it's not logical.
I've seen some of that stuff.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
Totally freaked me out.
For like two months I wouldn'tdrink out of a can Because the
idea that a rat could be in it.
I mean, how would a rat fit ina soda?
Speaker 3 (18:13):
can I mean because they actually put this top on
after they put the liquid inright?
I guess a mouse could fall in.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Yeah, but if you watch some of the canning things
, that happens fast it does.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
It does happen fast.
I don't know it.
It's a I don't know weird.
But also one more thing,because this is also one reason
why I don't like to pump gastrauma here, the needles
underneath the yes, that wasthat was actually happening in
our area like 10 years ago.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
Yeah, that was a thing in massachusetts.
Yeah, and that's one of thereasons why I don't like to pump
gas.
That sounds convenient anywaysthanks to my best friend thanks
to our tainted halloween candy.
In 1974, texan ronald o O'Brienhanded out pixie sticks laced
with cyanide to five children,including his eight-year-old son
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, timothy.
Oh my God what and like okay,I'll keep reading.
I'll just.
He was in the middle of acustody dispute with his former
wife and had intended to harmhis son to exact revenge on his
estranged spouse.
Fuck you, ronald.
Wow.
Timothy O'Brien died.
Ronald O'Brien received thedeath penalty.
The other four kids didn't eattheir poisoned candy.
How'd he die?
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What year was this?
Again um 1974?
So it's probably the electricchair, probably.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
I mean, we could definitely um google it hold on
I have, my, I have my phonesomewhere where, where, all
right.
What was his whole name?
Speaker 4 (19:34):
ronald ronald o'brien o apostrophe capital b?
R-y-a-n oh, r-y yep, theydidn't say he was the candy man,
I mean, that fits yeah oh, hewas executed by lethal injection
really it must have been reallysoon in the lethal injection
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game.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
He okay a little more extra info poisoned his son in
order to claim life insurancemoney oh disgusting.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
He was at a hundred thousand dollars with the debt,
so harm his son to exact revengeand make financial gain he even
looks like a douche let's seehim the old guy he looks so
creepy old guy yeah and alsofriends, I guess.
Be careful with pixie sticks.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
New fear unlocked temporarily but me and rob love
pixie sticks well, check it forcyanide, right rob oh okay, this
is an interesting potential one.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
I don't feel like the title gives us really any
information, but that makes itmore interesting.
Witnesses calling for a killerto leave couldn't dissuade him
from completing a murder.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Dissuade him.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
Mm-hmm.
Okay, kitty Genovese returnedto her home in Queens, new York,
around 3 am on March 13th 1964.
Before she could open her door,a man attacked and repeatedly
stabbed her.
Oh, kitty called out for helpin no uncertain terms, yelling
he stabbed me, please help me.
Several residents awoke, turnedon their lights and opened
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their windows with just one manyelling, leave that girl alone.
As if that's going to help.
The attacker ran off.
But when things quieted down hereturned and stabbed kitty
again.
She called for help.
Again the attacker ran away andfinally, at 3 50 am, police
were summoned, so that you'retalking a whole hour of people
being like essentially shut up,leave her alone, um, when they
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could have potentially helpedher kitty died before just
getting stabbed multiple times.
Kitty died before she made it tothe hospital.
Nearly 40 people had witnessedthe assault and nobody
intervened.
It was an example of diffusionof responsibility.
Everyone had assumed somebodyelse would help or call.
And then Genovese syndrome is aterm used today to describe why
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humans become helplessbystanders in urgent situations.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
They've done like experiments on that.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
Yeah, I mean, and it I guess, for you have to
consider, like, the culture ofan area, Like I mean, we're here
right, how many times have webeen sitting in the living room
reading and someone out there isyelling and we're like, shut up
?
Speaker 3 (22:04):
It's true.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
It's true.
I mean honestly.
Honestly, I would like tobelieve I've never been placed
in that situation.
If somebody were yelling helpme, they're stabbing me, that I
would call 9-1-1.
Yeah, um, but how many timeshas somebody yelled just like ah
, and you're like?
Speaker 3 (22:18):
well, there's that thing, too, where everyone's oh,
someone else will get it,someone else will get it right.
So a good story to talk aboutnow is me and rob were on the
mass pike and we saw this carpulled over and there was this.
She was probably elderly, shemust have been in her 60s.
Over this man in the grass,just like sitting over him, like
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something was obviously wrong.
And rob was great.
He's like I'm gonna call 9-1-1,and of course someone had
already called.
But it's like we could havebeen like oh, someone's already
gonna call it, but what if wewere the only ones that called
911?
I'd rather annoy a dispatcherfor five seconds than not call
at all.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
Well, the day not last.
Yeah, last Christmas Eve, whenwe were coming home.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Oh yep.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
There was the man who was crashed into the guardrail
and of course he was in the roadand bleeding, so I got out to
provide some kind of medicalattention.
Oh, yeah, he drove right intothat thing he was gushing out of
his head.
His head went into thewindshield.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Yeah, he was not wearing a seatbelt or anything.
Probably what broke his arm?
Oh, definitely His arm wasgoing the wrong way.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
While he was on with 911, other people.
They were saying, oh yep,someone else is calling in,
someone else is calling line,and they stayed on with us until
the police arrived.
Oh, that's good, but like threeor four or five people didn't
stop.
I mean it was at night.
I wouldn't have stopped if Iwas by myself, I would have just
called 911.
But there was two other peoplewho did stop.
One kept.
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She was like, oh okay, peopleare with him, I'm going to go
home.
And then the little old man,because he didn't want me
standing by myself near him.
I mean, the guy was obviouslyintoxicated, but it is, it's the
same thing.
People are like, oh, I'm sure,yeah, there's six people here,
but you have to consider thatnot everybody has the same.
Yeah, I don't even want to saymorals.
I'll say not everyone has thesame experience.
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So some people might seesomething and go, oh, I'm sure
it's fine.
And some people might be likethe way that Lady's over him in
the grass, with the training andexperiences I've had, is
telling me something is wrong.
Something's wrong, yeah, and Iwould always rather be wrong and
be like, hey, sorry to callthis in, but maybe he's throwing
up because he's been drinking Idon't know.
He clearly is having some kindof bad time.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Yep, yeah, and I had the car parked far enough away
too.
He was I think about that man alot.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
I'm just lucky I haven't received a summons for
that man yet, because Idefinitely had to put a written
statement out.
Do you want to do one more?
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Yeah, go for it Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
This one's about fingerprinting, which I think is
really interesting.
The title is fingerprinting wasfirst used to convict criminals
after a 1905 robbery.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Interesting.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
So I mean 1905, robbery interesting, so I mean
19.
That's kind of a long I feellike people are like
fingerprinting is new and I'mlike not really, I mean they've
I.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
I feel like it's evolving.
Yeah right, it's like anever-evolving thing.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Well, and they're getting I mean, it goes off of a
database, so they're gettingaccess to more and more people
for different reasonsfingerprints which just
initially, when they didn't havea data bank, they were just
kind of like, oh great, we havethis fingerprint.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
I'm kind of curious though, like when they started
realizing that fingerprints arean individual thing.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
Just like DNA.
Maybe it'll say oh, maybe itwill.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
I'll look it up, just in case.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
London shopkeeper Thomas Farrow was killed in a
stick-up gone awry one morningin March 1905, a crime that also
involved two men going intoFarrow's attached residence to
look for cash and viciouslybeating Anne I'm assuming,
because they don't have the sameone, so I'm assuming a wife or
a significant other.
Police had little evidencebeyond a greasy fingerprint on
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an empty cash box.
Fingerprinting was still in itsinfancy, a novelty in evidence
detecting, with neighborssuggesting that the crime was
the work of known thieves,alfred and Albert Stratton.
Detectives compared thefingerprint on the cash box with
one they had on file of Albert.
The prints matched and it wasentered as evidence in the trial
of Alfred Stratton.
This was the first time thatfingerprints were used as
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evidence in a criminal trial.
Stratton was found guilty ofmurder.
Were used as evidence in acriminal trial.
Stratton was found guilty ofmurder.
So I suppose the way thatthat's written it was the first
time it was used in a criminaltrial.
I'm assuming that they had usedit to lead them to more
evidence, but they hadn'tactually presented it as like.
Hannah is guilty.
And here's the reason why?
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Because of this yes, right, right, it was the end of
the meeting.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
What's that say they would start with?
Like we're placing her herebecause we have this Right but
this itself is not the evidence.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
So I guess the scientific understanding of
fingerprints to be unique had todo with the work of Sir Francis
Galton in the late 19th century, who published his findings in
1892.
Establishing that fingerprintsare both permanent and an
individual to each person.
But something interesting aboutwhat I think is interesting.
So we've all burnt ourselvesright from, like picking
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something up too fast orwhatever, but if you burn it
enough you actually lose thefingerprint yeah, and you can
alter some of where the rigidthings are too, or if you like
cut your fingers.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
You know you.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
Yeah, you permanently alter it right and even though
it's just slightly, I'm surethey can still pick up on what
they call like a partial, likethey can get, but like for jobs.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
I've had and I'm sure you have had too.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
I've been fingerprinted.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
We need to do fingerprints because we work
with children.
Whenever you're in a school.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
I worked in a preschool, actual school like
where they did education based,not just like the preschool
daycare version.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
So anytime you're education-based, they make you
do all the fingerprinting so wego through state federal FBI
everything I can't commit anycrimes because between my hair
shedding and these greasy oldfingerprints.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
I leave fingerprints on everything.
My phone right now is adisaster of fingerprints.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Yeah, and I cleaned it off.
What yesterday?
Speaker 4 (27:43):
My screen in my car is like all fingerprints.
I'm like I hate it.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
I always have had that and you just got a new car
Very distinctive Yep.
I'm sorry because.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
I said one more and then I looked and just got like
the quick preview of the titlefor the next one and it really
tied into the episode that wedid where Rob's cousin Patrick
was here.
And we talked about serialkillers and their last meals and
things.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
Can I get a refill though real quick before we do
that?
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Yeah, you guys, okay with that.
You want to grab me one?
Yeah, sure, thank you.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
So I will grab some out of the serial killer section
.
Okay, do you want to read themor do you want me to?
Okay, okay, rodney Alcaladefended himself in court.
This seems very Ted Bundy ofhim, right?
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Very Ted Bundy of him .
I shall do this myself.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
Okay, rodney declined his right to an attorney, even
a state-appointed one, when ontrial for his various murders in
California.
Ted Bundy, very Ted Bundy.
Sorry, what year is this, doesit say?
It didn't say, yet he acted ashis own lawyer instead and
actually interrogated himself onthe witness stand.
Wow, it gets better, but wait,there's more.
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Addressing Mr Alcala in abooming voice and then answering
himself in his normal voiceOkay, I'm sorry, psyche Val is
all I'm thinking to myself rightnow.
Plot twist, he was convictedanyway.
I am going to look up Rodneybecause it doesn't give us any
date and it doesn't tell usanything about him.
And I just I'm a littleimpressed by him, court, but
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like psyche Val.
Like, wouldn't that like dingding ding.
Oh, okay, so he was born August23rd 1943.
So he was before Bundy.
He died of a heart attack inCalifornia July 24th 2021.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Oh, wow.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
Recent.
Okay, so let's get a littlewikipedia situation adam
interesting.
So rodney james alcala, bornrodrigo jacks alcala.
Okay, also like bondi, becausebondi right, yeah um was an
american serial killer, rap andconvicted sex offender who was
sentenced to death in Californiafor five murders committed
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between 1977 and 1979.
He also pleaded guilty andreceived a sentence of 25 years
to life for two further murderscommitted in New York.
He was also indicted for amurder in Wyoming, although the
charges filed there were dropped.
Also like Bundy, travelingeverywhere.
While he has been linkedconclusively to eight murders,
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the true number of victimsremains unknown and could be as
high as 130.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Just like Ted.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
Bundy, we're not sure how many.
Wow the similarities Eightconfirmed, 130 possible.
Yeah, how does he look?
He looks exactly like you would.
They did like a early and late.
He almost looks a little likeBundy yeah.
Very, hmm, very.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
And how does his?
Speaker 4 (30:36):
timeline flesh up with Bundy.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
So he was a little bit older than Bundy, but Maybe
Bundy was copying him the wholetime.
Because Bundy's child was bornabout the early 80s, so a little
older than rob, and that's wheneverything was going down, my
goodness so I just I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
I was reading and I saw a news article popped up
that said um, published november28th 2024, so two days ago and
the title is dating game GameKiller Kept Trophies that
Ultimately Led to His Downfall.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Wait a minute is that the show, the movie?
Yeah, oh my God.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Oh no, there's a Netflix show.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
right, yeah, it started with, while the recent
release of a new film hasbrought the infamous case of a
serial killer, rodney Alcala,back into the public eye.
Oh my God, back into the publiceye Wow.
It's a former detective whohelped put him behind bars for
life, told Fox News Digitalabout a pair of earrings that
led to his ultimate downfall.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Does it say what the actress's name was?
Speaker 3 (31:37):
Yes, it's the one from Pitch Perfect.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Oh yeah, Anna Kendrick.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
Anna Kendrick, woman of the.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Hour.
Right, she decided not to takeany money for the and she
donated all of it, yeah see goodfor her.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
This article is is very interesting and talk about
funny how we're we're readingthis out of the book.
Yeah, two days ago they postedthis article that I never
realized.
Like, when I read his name, Itruthfully had no idea who he
was.
I didn't, um, I guess he wascoined.
You know how they always havethose serial killer names.
He was dubbed the dating gamekiller.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Right.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
Because he appeared on the television show the
Dating Game as a Bachelor numberone in 1978.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
Okay, you were called to read this one Creepy, I
don't want to be called byRodney.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
There are lots of people I'm okay with being
called by.
Rodney is not on the list.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Now that you're reading more of that and,
because of what you said, themovie on Netflix that Anna
Kendrick, like it's all makingsense, because I remember seeing
that and I think I'm told youabout it or meant to.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
It's hard when a lot of the things you consume,
whether it's like TikTok orReels or books you're reading
when they're all about the sametopic.
Sometimes it's hard to keepstraight like, okay, who is that
person, or is that the one thismovie was about?
So that's definitely very.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Do you want to watch the movie?
Kind of.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Maybe we'll do that when you guys are at the game.
I believe it's a series.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
Like a docu-series.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
Kind of situation.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
No, no, but it's not reality.
They don't.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
No, I think it's like the one they did with I think
it was Ted Bundy.
Yeah, it's a series.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Yes, like they did with Zac Efron.
Yeah, yep, zac Efron.
I know right, how did he?
Speaker 4 (33:17):
get cast for that part.
You know what we won't.
No disrespect, I'll just moveto the next, if you want or do
you want to read a different one?
Speaker 3 (33:23):
May I?
Yes, do you have one, Somethinga little more lighthearted?
Well, I don't know if it'slighthearted but it says
unicorns in the title.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
I see it's going dark .
There be unicorns or not, Iknew there was going to be a
plot twist.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
Myth Farmed explorer Marco Polo saw unicorns in the
13th century.
He described them as uglybrutes.
The reality Historians believethat Marco Polo did see a horned
animal A rhinoceros.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
Rhinos are kind of ugly if you think like they're
gray.
Yeah, they're beautiful in in alife kind of way, but there's
not compared to unicorns, I meando you know what's a scary
animal, a hippo?
Speaker 3 (34:02):
why?
Speaker 2 (34:03):
they oh, they're vicious.
Speaker 4 (34:05):
Have you ever watched those videos of them crushing a
whole watermelon?
Speaker 3 (34:08):
they're vicious like don't get them angry, they're so
cute.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
I feel like a rhino would be about the same, unless
you're Eastern Jura but theylook more intimidating because
of their horn.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
Hippos and rhinoceroses are kind of the
same thing someone's got a hornand one doesn't one's a little
hornier than the other, I guessso so my mom got me this.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
I don't know how to say it Rob, help this little
like rhino.
No, the hippo that moves, whatdo you call it?
Speaker 1 (34:39):
What.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
I'm getting really concerned.
Psyche Val.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
I know, seriously, I have no clue what you're talking
about.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
This hippo toy for me that was electronic, it goes.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
My mom had this hippo toy for me that was electronic.
When was this?
Speaker 3 (34:49):
When I was little.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
How would I know?
Speaker 3 (34:52):
Okay, but I want the word for it.
Was it animatronic?
Is that how you say it?
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Sure.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
A robot you had a hippo robot.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (34:59):
A robotic Okay.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
It scared the living shit out of me.
It sounds terrifying, by theway.
Yes, another childhood trauma,my yes, another childhood trauma
.
My mom still has it.
She brought it out not too faraway and it scared the living
crap out of me.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Not too long ago.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
Yeah, not too long ago.
So no cactuses, no hippos.
This list of things Hannah hastrauma with is getting more
bizarre by the year I've knownher and also, really
frustratingly, not inclusive.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
What do you mean?
So for everyone listening, thatis our Dickens Village.
From what is it?
Studio Department 56.
And we have a church that everyhour it rings.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
So sorry, not sorry.
We've definitely been here fora whole hour then, guys, because
I've heard it chimed twice.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
What do you mean?
Not inclusive?
Speaker 4 (35:43):
Now I'm confused.
Oh just, it's going to bereally hard to give you gifts
because the things are socomplicated.
I'm at the store with this listthat looks like a Santa's list.
It's like you don't make itthis and she has a trauma with
this.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
No, cactus, cactus.
I don't want to touch batteries.
No hippos.
I forgot about that.
I have this thing withbatteries, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
And she's afraid they're going to explode in her
hands, hands like a normaldouble a okay well, we'll go
back to this.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Well, hold on.
Have you licked a nine voltbefore?
Speaker 4 (36:12):
no, tell him that's weird.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Tell him that that's weird, that's what child has not
licked a nine volt battery?
Hasn't you two children areweird right, that's how you know
if it's to work.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
We're also, weren't little boys like you guys, you
know what I know.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
If a battery works, I stick it in something, and if
it doesn't turn on I I'm likewhat's in the battery?
Speaker 2 (36:30):
My mother was the one who was like lick the 9-volt
battery.
That's how you know it stillworks.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
Oh, so it's that Rhode Island thing.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
No, because I did it in Western Mass.
Speaker 4 (36:50):
If you've ever licked a 9-volt battery, go down into
the show notes and send us amessage.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
Cousin Mark, cousin, mark, tell them, tell them, it's
not normal to lick nine-voltbatteries, please Awkward lull
while we all text him.
All right.
Myth Unicorns are mentioned inthe Bible nine times the reality
.
The word seems to have firstpopped up in the 1611 version of
the King James Bible.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
The.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
Anarchy of James.
I have so much things I couldsay but I'm not going to.
Scholars say it wasn't magicthat put unicorns into holy
scripture.
It was mistranslation andmisunderstanding, like so much
of the bible.
The hebrew word raym, which istranslated to english as unicorn
, most likely referred to theraimu, a now extinct species of
ox interesting.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
Interesting we can get into.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
Bible stuff someday.
All right, there we go.
Myth.
The horn of a captured unicorn,when ground into a powder, has
medicinal qualities such as theability to destroy poison and
purify water.
In the 16th century, an intactunicorn horn was worth 10 times
more than gold.
They were sold in pharmacieswell into the 1700s.
The reality is shady merchantsgot their unicorn horns quote
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from the narwhal, a type ofwhale with a protruding tooth
that looks like a horn.
Those poor narwhals.
Speaker 4 (37:58):
They were being scalped and they weren't even
getting credit for the thingsthat they were being stripped of
.
Can I?
Speaker 3 (38:04):
read one more yes.
History North Korea style.
Oh boy.
In november 2012, thegovernment run north korean
central news agency announcedthe scientists there had found
the burial site of a unicorn theone that was said to have been
ridden by king dong young I'msorry, I probably butchered that
who had founded korea, known asgoyeo at the time in 37 BC.
(38:28):
The site was located near atemple in the North Korean
capital of Pyongyang.
A rock engraved with unicornlayer marked the grave.
Sung Yong Lee, a professor ofKorean studies at Tufts
University, told Live Sciencethat the report was political
propaganda.
So why would the governmentclaim that unicorns are real?
To support King Jong-un, NorthKorea's leader?
(38:50):
Of course it's symbolicallysaid.
North Koreans don't takereports like this literally the
way Westerners would.
Another professor said thereport was mistranslated.
What was found was not aunicorn's lair at all.
It was the burial site of aKireen.
What's that?
A beast with a dragon's head, adeer's body and the tail of a
cow.
I don't know if that's worsethan a unicorn A beast with a
(39:14):
dragon's head, a deer's body andthe tail of a cow.
But no fantasy's good.
No, that's a lot of unicorns, Ididn't know.
The next one was about unicorns.
Just north korea caught myattention.
Speaker 4 (39:26):
Who would have thought north korea and unicorns
would have just made a sandwich.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
Yeah, hey, rob yeah I think pizza man would like.
Uh, that show you watch onYouTube.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
Which one?
Speaker 3 (39:38):
Remember he went into North Korea.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Oh yes, the Indigo, traveler.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
Yeah, you would like him.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
I just looked at a little fun fact for you guys too
.
Go ahead, pizza man, completely.
I mean, I guess it does have todo with murder.
So you know, let me get to thatfirst or it'll be second.
So you know, let me get to thatfirst or it'll be second.
So the release date, so funfact.
The release date for Star Warscame out in May 25th 1977.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
Right, the last person to be executed.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
I'm just kidding, sorry, the last person to be
executed by guillotine was howmany?
I'm not even going to try topronounce the name, but it was
on September 10th 1977 in France.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
They used guillotine for a very long time 1977.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Star Wars came out in 1977.
So imagine you just walked outof the theater watching Star
Wars.
Obviously, you know, if theythey kept in theaters that long
and be like you know what I'mgonna go watch a beheading.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
That is kind of funny oh boy, thank you pizza man.
How did you find that like?
Were you like random facts?
Speaker 2 (40:55):
no, um, I remember watching a thing that I was
saying two different comparedtimelines oh, a lot of things.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
I was like I'm just gonna look this up real quick
because I figured you guys wouldappreciate that yes yeah, I I
think there's more if I actuallypull up the whole little little
thing, the real so, pizza man,I don't know if you listened to
that episode that we did withRob's cousin, patrick, but we
all talked about if we had todie by the way of the government
(41:24):
, which one would we choose?
And I picked beheading and theyall looked at me like I was
crazy.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
I mean it's quick.
Speaker 4 (41:31):
We also picked what our last meal would be if we
were going on death row.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
Yes, and I wanted all my mommy's food, which was it's
fine, my, it's fine.
My mom has good cooking.
I think rob was a firing squadI think so courtney.
Speaker 4 (41:48):
Do you remember what yours?
Speaker 2 (41:49):
I don't think I picked one I mean the beheading
is, without a doubt, quick butthey said, it wasn't what if it
didn't work the first time?
Speaker 3 (41:57):
I mean, I would sure hope that thing's gonna but I I
watched um a ghost adventuresbecause you guys know that, um,
you know I have a certain crushon someone, but anyways, so they
were at ohio state penitentiaryand this guy.
That's a good trip.
Yes, it looks amazing.
I would love to go with youguys yeah, I would love to, but
the hanging that they did theguy.
(42:19):
It took him 15 minutes to dieby hanging.
Speaker 4 (42:25):
Yeah, I know, I would have never chose hanging, I
know for me that's.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
But like by that time , why did someone just not end
his misery?
Speaker 2 (42:32):
I mean, that's like crucifixion that one actually
takes forever to die.
Speaker 4 (42:36):
Actually I want to say Patrick and I both said
lethal injection, Did you?
I think we did.
Oh man, I can't find it.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
That one also has its issues.
Speaker 4 (42:45):
They all have their issues.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
They're all problematic, because even if you
take beheading by sword, I meanby sword.
If it's not sharp enough orsomeone's not strong enough, or
drawn and quartered.
Do you know drawn and quartered?
Does everyone know what drawnand quartered is?
No?
Speaker 2 (43:05):
oh, isn't that the one where you're hooked up to
horses?
Speaker 3 (43:08):
each limb to a horse, and then they kick them, and
then they go in each direction.
Nope, alright, we ready for ourcard yes, we are it's a king of
clubs.
Daryl jenkins jr.
On june 4 2014, the victim wasshot in front of his residence
on kessington avenue inspringfield oh witnesses heard
(43:30):
multiple shots in the area and afemale who was present in the
area was also shot but survived.
If you have any info about thiscase, please call
1-855-MA-SOLVE.
Daryl Jenkins Jr.
Speaker 4 (43:44):
I don't know why.
When I picked up the cards, Iwas like we're going to know
this card.
I'm still really like my mindis still blown that, and Pizza
Ben doesn't know this butthere's a case from my childhood
that my mom always talked aboutwith someone who she knew and I
talked about it on like threedifferent episodes.
When Hannah asked questions andthe last time I pulled a card
it was her card and I was like Ihad goosebumps up both arms.
(44:06):
I was like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
I'm pretty sure I pulled the card and read it and
then your face just dropped.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
Yeah, daryl Jenkins, that sounds really familiar.
But anyways, what?
Was the year on, it Did we 2014.
Speaker 4 (44:22):
Okay, so it was recent, so it's probably
something that we consumed inthe media.
Looking at, Probably.
That's because the name didsound really familiar and I have
to say, like just shuffling thecards, what I find to be the
most sad part of all of it isalmost all of the victims at
least the ones that are left inour half a deck as I was
shuffling are youngAfrican-American males.
And it is so sad because Iwould say, out of the cards that
(44:45):
are remaining here, threequarters of them are
African-American males young allunder the age of 25.
Speaker 3 (44:50):
It also makes you think like okay, do we just not
have any information?
Or no one even bothered to look?
Speaker 4 (44:54):
No, and that's exactly what I was going to say
it's so hard to overlook, likethat's the data, like as I'm
shuffling, I'm like, oh, one,two, three, four, like it's sad,
it's really sad, it's fucked up, it's very fucked up.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (45:09):
For whatever reason that's drawn out that way, it
certainly doesn't look very good.
Speaker 3 (45:15):
No, well, I appreciate Pizza man being here,
thank you.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
All right.
Well, goodbye Courtney, goodbyeHannah and goodbye Wanderers.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
See you next time.
Speaker 3 (45:24):
Bye.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
Later.
Speaker 3 (45:27):
Thanks for listening.
Today.
Wicked Wanderings is hosted byme Hannah and co-hosted by me
Courtney.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
And it's produced by Rob Fitzpatrick.
Speaker 3 (45:35):
Music by Sasha M.
If you enjoyed today's episode,don't forget to leave a rating
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We appreciate every one of you.
Stay curious, keep exploringand always remember to keep on
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wandering.
Thank you.
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