December 11, 2024 • 35 mins
How does a small-town disappearance echo some of the most notorious unsolved mysteries of our time? Join us as we explore the mysterious case of Lynn Burdick, a young woman whose sudden vanishing has perplexed investigators and haunted her community for decades. We unravel the tangled web of conflicting reports and potential suspects, drawing haunting parallels with other cases like Maura Murray’s. Our journey seeks to unearth the truth and bring justice to those whose promising futures were abruptly cut short.
Our exploration delves into the unique challenges of investigating crimes in close-knit communities where everyone knows each other and local biases can obscure the truth. Through a critical lens, we re-evaluate the immediate assumption of an outsider’s involvement in Lynn’s disappearance. We question the rationale behind searching the woods for a body without clear evidence of foul play and consider overlooked local suspects. The episode emphasizes the vital importance of fresh perspectives and highlights the insights that could be drawn from literature by seasoned prosecutors who have tackled similar cases.
With a chilling narrative, we link Lynn's disappearance to another unsettling incident that occurred on the same fateful night, reminiscent of infamous figures like Ted Bundy. This episode also reflects on the emotional toll on families like Lynn’s, who continue to seek closure. We extend a heartfelt call to action to keep these cold cases alive in public discourse and inspire ongoing support within our community. Amidst the weighty topic, we cherish the unexpected support from our listeners, urging everyone to stay connected and engaged in our quest for answers.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What in the hell did I do to these?
Speaker 2 (00:03):
What the hell See, wilante, you'll be more
comfortable honest.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Okay, okay, oh, sorry guys, this is.
This is ADHD at work.
All right, rob, this is Okay.
What happens when your wifeasks me about a case that lives
in my head?
And then I went down a spiral,so I don't know what we're going
to do with this one.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Mind you, we had at least a 20, 30-minute
conversation before this Okay.
Hi, I'm Hannah and I'm Courtney.
Join us as we delve into truecrime, paranormal encounters and
all things spooky.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Grab your flashlight and get ready to wander into the
darkness with us.
This is W Wander.
This is probably just merambling for myself, but Hannah
and I were sitting in our livingroom and you guys all know how
the missing case of Lynn Burdickgets under my skin.
I came across an article thatsomebody had posted just about a
(01:27):
month ago and read the wholearticle.
You know, cover to cover,texted my mom.
But I just keep going down therabbit hole of of where did she
go?
The first thing I'm seeing isdetails are very like, sporadic,
like some places are sayingthis is the amount of money that
was missing and this is the,and it seems so insignificant.
But some places are saying thisis the amount of money that was
(01:49):
missing and this is the, and itseems so insignificant.
But even like some places aresaying her cousin called it or
was her brother who called?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
the timeline is really the only super consistent
part and they also thought thatlewis lent has something to do
with this, but I'm thinkingbased off what we know.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
I don't think it was him I don't think so either, so
I'm reading a different.
I'm using the charlie projectnow.
That's another resource thatI'm kind of reading for the
first time.
Something that really gives methe chills is when they talk
about who this person is first,I just I read about her family
(02:21):
and I just feel for them.
I mean, we were talking earlierand there was that prosecutor
who wrote a book and he, whenthey asked him, why didn't you
link?
him to her I had no idea he waslike who I didn't even know,
Because back then I mean thatjust wasn't Yep.
Anyways, I agree with theauthorities and all the accounts
I've read so far.
She didn't run away and they'reon the same exact time.
(02:49):
That really bothers me.
They did do updated sketches,everybody and hannah.
Because I don't know what we'regonna do with this, I'm just
gonna podcast it as if we are umpassion project to put this one
in the vault of passionprojects.
But I I just feel like theupdated sketches were you
wouldn't just update a sketchfor no reason, right, you know
what I'm saying.
(03:09):
Like you're talking 2022, fromthe 80s, why would they just
have recently with no lead?
But I'm like you know whatwould be a great time to update
these sketches?
Right the fuck now.
So they did update the sketches.
I'm also reading and again, Idon't fact checking, I don't
know, I'm just doing like arough.
I find something.
There's the village.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Sorry, everybody christmas village is going off.
When I find something new.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
I'm just copying and pasting it to another note app
um, but it says in 1995burdick's father received an
anonymous letter postmarked fromboston from a man stating that
his daughter had been abductedand murdered by a man in north
adams.
Authorities are familiar withthe suspect named in the letter
and pleaded for the letterauthor to come forward with more
information.
North adams is near florida andis believed that burdick's case
(03:56):
could have been connected tothe mentioned suspect, who was
interviewed extensively bypolice.
But there is no evidence tosupport this theory.
The writer remains unidentifiedand authorities do not know if
the note was a hoax or if it waslegitimate.
And then it just goes into whoshe was, which is also important
.
So I'll read it, but it justdrops right off of that.
She was a senior.
She went to McCann VocationalTechnical High School in 1982.
(04:16):
She was about to go through allof that spring prom graduation
stuff.
She wanted to be a cartoonist.
She was going to graduate withhigh honors and she was known as
(04:40):
very studious, well-behaved.
She took care of herchronically ill mother.
She volunteered with severalcharities that assisted people
with disabilities.
She was a caretaker.
She was the youngest of fourand she had planned to stay home
after graduation to help takecare of her mom, um to hopefully
save up enough money to go tocollege.
She did not have a driver'slicense, she did not have a car
and she was not dating anyone atthe time of her murder or
disappearance.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Presumed murder it just seems like the perfect
crime it's like maura murray allover again it's too perfect.
And like you's, like MauraMurray, all over again it's too
perfect.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
And like you bring up Maura Murray, it just I don't
know.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Maura Murray is like something that lives right free
in my head.
Maura Murray is your LynnBurdick.
It is Maura Murray she reallyis.
I don't know.
Just drove away to get away andlike all these things perfectly
came together and we have noidea what happened.
Just like I'm getting passionatepeople like what is going on
like what happened to thesewomen, these women that had so
much going for them, that weresmart, that came from, you know.
(05:36):
I mean, well, it sounds likelimberdick came from a good
family.
I honestly I'm not sure aboutmaura murray.
It sounds like there was, butyou know, every family has every
family has a shit.
I mean, I feel like yeah,because, like I mean, we all sat
around here earlier court andwe were, like you know, family
drama, like everyone has it itjust is inevitable.
No one's family is perfect andwe know that.
But especially as you get older, you get different
(05:59):
personalities and we get set inour ways.
But I don't know, know, justlike you said, 100 yards, like
several yards from her house.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
How long did they-?
She lives several hundred yardsfrom this building and it just
makes no sense.
The barefoot peddler is nowtaken down.
It was owned by her cousin iswhat some of the sources I'm
finding were.
And I mean, I see where somepeople would go and they would
say, okay, she was strapped forcash, right, she was trying to
save for college.
She was somebody who, even ifshe could have gone to college,
she was planning on taking careof her mom.
(06:28):
Okay, so even if she had themoney, would she have gone?
I don't know, I don't know her.
I feel like I get a vibe off ofthe whole situation where it's
like why would she?
She didn't strike me as thekind of person who would have
stole money.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
If she did cash that was stowed away for like
emergencies underneath which shewas very well because she
worked there for several months.
You said so.
She had to be 18 to work therebecause they sold alcohol, so
like.
Why would she wait severalmonths after, like if you were
planning on stealing right?
Speaker 1 (06:53):
and it's from her own cousin, right, would you?
Still, I don't think she wouldhave stolen from anybody, let
alone her own family.
I really don't.
I won't.
I'm trying to find more aboutthat letter that her dad
received, because to me I'venever heard about that.
So was it supposed to be like aransom note?
It was just so.
This is a different sourcetalking about the same letter.
Uh, 1995, father received ananonymous letter postmarked from
(07:13):
boston.
So while that's all the same,it was written by a man alleging
that burdick's daughter, lynn,had been abducted and murdered
by an individual who lived innorth adams mass, which florida,
florida and North Adams aresynonymous.
Florida is part of, essentially, it's not part of North Adams.
That's why we all look at it.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
I feel like, unless you're from Western Mass, you
think Florida, you only think ofthe state of Florida.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
And it's I mean they at one point in one of the
sources we're talking about,monroe, which is right next to
Florida Mass, and it only has100 people, mass, and it only
has 100 people.
100 people, this is like thekind of population we're talking
about.
So it would be hard to say likeI'm getting ahead of myself,
but I don't feel like the personknew her, because the crime
doesn't line up, so it doesn't.
She worked a shift from four tonine.
(07:55):
So if you knew her, wouldn'tyou in my mind?
I mean, I've never abductedsomebody, I don't plan to, but I
don't think I would go at like8, 8, 30 to try to abduct
someone who you know might havebeen getting a ride, who might
have had somebody coming in whythat close to shutting down?
Speaker 2 (08:09):
I would have gone closer to five, closer.
So was it more like like aconvenience store?
Speaker 1 (08:13):
yeah it was a convenience store.
You could get your alcohol, youcould get you know like
cigarettes so.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
So you had mentioned earlier to me when we were on
the couch talking about this wasa car that was stolen from
Braintree, yeah, but then youalso mentioned a letter that was
postmarked from Boston.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Yeah, those things.
And then they're saying thatthe backing it up, a car was
stolen from Braintree on thethird day that Lynn was missing.
They found it completely burntup in Vermont, you know, very
far from Braintree,Massachusetts, which is out near
Boston, up in Vermont, you know, very far from Braintree,
massachusetts, which is out nearBoston, and it matched the
description for the car that hadabducted the girl from Williams
(08:51):
College or tried to abduct her,except for the fact that the
woman who was, you know, frantic, who had just been attempted to
be taken, said bucket seats.
So everything from the color tothe shape of the taillights to
the interior of the car matched,except the seat style.
And for some reason I feel likethat was a huge red flag that
they just chucked this car out.
It was found around the sametime.
I mean, think about it, theperfect crime.
You kidnap somebody, you try toright they get away from you.
(09:15):
You're like, oh shit, you gokidnap somebody else.
Now your car has been seenerratically driving because
there was a complaint betweenthe two.
You burn it right, you stole it, you committed the crime.
Now you've got to get rid of it, all those fibers, all that
stuff.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
But just because she said bucket in this car, didn't
have bucket, we're gonna throwall this can't be the car they
were just like it can't be.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
It's too much, it's I .
It's too much pressure on awoman who was just almost
abducted.
It's too much pressure and it'syep to me.
If you've got, I mean we're,we're in data and behavior.
If five things match up andone's not right, I'm going to
keep looking.
I'm not going to just be like,oh, abort mission, okay, that's
not right.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Because if they say, oh, no, it was a pickup truck
with bucket seats and it wasblue and you found a red car
with non-bucket seats.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Okay, that doesn't match up.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
A seat style seems really.
Yeah, because I think about thebundy case and how everyone's
like, oh well, he didn't havehis front passenger seat, right,
you could take him out, andthen he puts one back in.
So if they find a bug rightwith the seat in there, oh it
can't be the car because there'sa seat in it, right.
Bullshit, because you canchange that.
So specifically.
It doesn't make any sense, Ifeel like some people get way
too pigeonholed.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Yep um, which is annoying.
Oh, there's another podcastthat actually did an episode on
lynn burdick oh really, what wasthe name of the podcast?
Speaker 2 (10:41):
creme de la crime, oh okay, I've never heard of it,
but I'm gonna listen to it,definitely I just I, you know,
court, going back to like whatwe do for a living as behavior
analysts.
I think about you know the kidsthat we work with, and you have
a child that's learning a newskill right, and they're
learning, learning.
They do well, do well, do well.
And they have that one off dayright.
(11:02):
They're sick and we may notknow it, or they had a bad
night's sleep or they didn't getthe breakfast.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
They want Something in the room is bothering them
Like, oh okay, they don't knowthis skill at all.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
No, okay, they had a bad day and I know that's kind
of maybe far off from what we'retalking about, but like-.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Zero and a hundred.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Yes, there's something to be said in the
middle yeah Right, I can't, wecan't.
Oh no, all this data is wrong,like okay data that we have.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
No, and I feel like, is that too far off?
I'm trying to find a connectionhere.
It's not because I feel like ifI was investigating something.
I'm one of those people whowould be like a big time crime
nerd, like what do you see inthe TV shows and it's ridiculous
, and they have a whole roomwith every article and
everything.
That's how my brain strives thatway, but I feel like it's so
easy to overlook a detail.
(11:48):
It so easy to you know, we'renot talking about a big town.
We're talking about a smalltown with a part-time police
chief.
Okay, not a part-time policeofficer, not a volunteer fire
department.
We're talking about a part-timepolice chief, okay, everybody's
connected in those areas.
It becomes a really bigwhodunit yep.
(12:11):
And I think what's interestingis when I'm reading all of this,
nobody looked at anybody local.
They seem to be from and I'vedone limited research.
At this point I would say I'mvery early in, like the actual,
like hey, I'm gonna get in hereand dig into this.
They were very like it was thisoutsider which matches the
mentality of that area.
It was this outsider, it wasthis person who came in here,
who, who tried to abduct thatone girl.
(12:33):
I mean, I'll give them that thegirl he tried to abduct was at
the Williams College.
She was a freshman, so she was18, 19 at the most, and Lynn was
18.
So I will say that, if I cansee why the comparison was drawn
, the timelines, the ages, butthat can't be the only suspect,
you can't.
And my brain is going so fast.
And even the letter that he gotin 1995.
(12:54):
It keeps saying the police werefamiliar with the named suspect
.
The police were familiar.
Who is this person and why arewe not saying?
And so I'm?
Speaker 2 (13:01):
bringing around the fact that, like, was there a
limitation?
Right, if we think about, like,research articles, we talk
about the limitations at the endof the article.
Right, so you go through, likeyour research methods and the
data that you have, you go tolimitations.
Right, what is the limitationsof this certain article?
Basically, yeah, so I thinkabout the limitations with this
part-time police chief.
Is it because it's such a smalltown?
(13:23):
He knows every well?
It's not possible.
It could be the uncle, it's notpossible it could be the best
friend.
I feel like that's a limitation.
You need to have an outsidesource who has no connections to
anyone.
So like yes, a small town,great, we only have so many
people to go through, but ifyou're connected to all those
people it's harder.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
There's a bias there's a bias that even if
you're aware of it it's there.
And what strikes me too is like,at the same time, that they
were thinking and I do, if youask me, in my heart, what do I
think happened to Lynn?
I don't think she ran away.
She was a girl who cared awhole lot about her family.
She was a girl who was going tograduate with high honors and
she was aspiring to go tocollege, and she didn't have a
(14:01):
boyfriend and there was nobodywho wished to harm her.
I don't, I don't think thatperson would have run away on
their own accord, unless therewas a lot more that we just
don't know and I'll always saythat's a possibility, but in my
heart I feel like it was a.
It was a wrong place, wrongtime.
I think somebody did somethingand it was a quick decision, or
maybe they just had her in theirsights.
I really hope it wasn't that.
(14:21):
And and something bad happenedand I don't think she's still
out there.
I wish she was, but I just Ifeel like it's.
They were like, okay, ok, shewouldn't have run away, she was
obviously kidnapped.
And then they were just likelet's search the woods, yeah.
And it was like, ok, well, didwe look for fingerprints?
Like I know it's a conveniencestore, but something, did you
(14:42):
know the soda was hers?
Did you just presume the sodawas hers?
Like I just feel like a lot ofthe evidence and I know we're
not privy to that because it'san open case, right but there's
nobody talking.
It literally looks like in theresearch they noticed she was
missing.
The part-time police chief wascalled by whoever it was mixed
signals on who it was whoactually discovered some sources
say it was a patron of theconvenience store went in and
(15:04):
they were like where the fuck's?
My service you know what I mean?
Like why does it look likesomebody nobody's in here and
called and then in sources itwas her brother had gone down to
check on her and she wasn'tthere.
Regardless, I feel like it waslike the police chief came.
He was like, hmm, okay, looksodd, but whatever, let's call in
some extras.
And then they were searching.
And it's like in my mind, whydid you go right to searching
(15:27):
the woods, right, you didn'tthink she ran away?
It tells me you were lookingfor a body, but why would you
immediately go to?
This just happened.
Let's look for a body, yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
With no signs of foul play, truly, I mean if there's
blood on the floor or there's asign of a struggle.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
I'm like, okay, let's look.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Right.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
But if it looks like she just walked out, was
persuaded, right, maybe with aweapon, maybe with some kind of
blackmail, or maybe she wastaken and they just fixed the
room, that could have happenedtoo.
There's a lot of pieces to itthat I'm like.
I just don't see why thatwasn't looked into.
Yeah, I agree, I really do wantto read the book.
(16:03):
I forget who the guy is now.
I'll have to look that back up.
But there was an old prosecutorwho had written a book about
some killings and things thathad happened in the area too so
you're willing to read that book, even though it has someone
burnick in it yeah, because I'mthinking that he, I, if I want
to make this case, I think Ineed to get information from
places that didn't pull her in,to look for those places where
(16:24):
you could, because somebodyknows something, yeah, somebody
knows something, or somebody did.
Somebody knows something orsomebody did.
There's got to be something.
People don't just vanish.
I mean I know, like MauraMurray and I know there are lots
of cases where that happens,but there is always an answer.
It's like what we do for workBehavior just doesn't
spontaneously happen, there'salways a reason.
(16:45):
It's always cause and effect.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
There has to be something and I'll be damned I'm
gonna find it, because itbothers me and this poor family
deserves that it's and somethingI'm finding too and I know this
is in research articles as wellis that behavior isn't just one
function, it's usuallymulti-function, of course you
know.
So was it just because, oh,it's spontaneous, I'm gonna do
it.
Or was it by greed?
Was it by sexual desire?
(17:09):
I mean the fact that he took agirl supposedly right, we're
thinking here took a girl and$200.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Like yeah it doesn't make sense, it doesn't and, and
I'm thinking, okay, I mean,obviously it's really hard to
like put your mind into, like,okay, I'm a person who's
motivated to take people Right,even if I go in.
Okay, let's say, the 200doesn't make any.
I can't make it and I mean,okay, they took her purse, so
(17:39):
maybe this person was like I'mgonna make it look like she went
away, like she left.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
So they just grabbed her stuff hastily, but they left
her book on the counter so I'mI'm kind of saying something
about the 200, so I feel likeI've done enough events where,
like you are given the cashright, it's usually a straight
amount 100, 200, whatever andthen you start earning right, so
you might be left with 250 andsome change, or 275, some change
(18:05):
.
It was directly 200.
So you're telling me, likethere's no way, if she was held
under duress unless the personwas like I only want 200 and so
many bills that she would leavecash in the drawer well, and
this is the thing that bothersme, so does she not?
have any sales.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
That doesn't make any sense nobody's saying whether
it was like 200 and then thedrawer was dead, or it was like
took 200 from the drawer.
So that's weird but why aboutthe technology back then.
We won't.
They would have had to just say, well, the day started with two
.
But we don't really know whathappened because it was probably
an old register.
It probably didn't calculatethe sales that way there was
(18:42):
probably no receipt thinghappening but like they would
know what the drawer started outwith well I'm assuming every
shift 200 and that's why theycan only say so.
Some of the sources were saying200 was taken, some said 187.
Some said 180.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
But I'm saying if it, was 200 and they know the day
started with 200, that meansnothing was missing from the
drawer.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
That's what's confusing, I don't know.
It seems so.
I know that Reddit is not agood source to go on, but I love
reading Reddit to hear whatother people are saying.
But you know what I mean is nota good source to go on, but I
love reading Reddit to hear whatother people are saying.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
But you know what I?
Speaker 1 (19:13):
mean it doesn't make sense, but I'm assuming that
because it was credit card,because credit cards were around
.
I think it was because theycould only say whatever the day
started with, because theycouldn't account for it.
The register and the pictureslook so fucking old.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
So you're saying that they lost $200, but they
weren't sure of the sales beforethat, right, I think that
they're just saying well, it was200 in the drawer, so at least
200, we can tell you Could havebeen, four could have been.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
That makes sense.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Okay, I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
They talk a lot about how it was a slow day, but they
also talk a lot about how therewas like how could they know it
was a slow day?
Because they didn't have thecash.
I guess at some point someoneat her house had called her to
be like hey, how's work, how'sit going, whatever.
And then she was like oh, it'sslow, hang on, I've got a
customer, I've got to go.
Some of the, some of thesources say that she told him
I'm like hey, can't talk rightnow.
(20:00):
I've got a customer.
That was the customer and then,and then nobody heard so they
don't know if it was thatcustomer, or you know what I
mean.
There's a lot of like oh there'sso many blanks shit.
I'm looking at the Redditthread now, which I know is not
Damn so interesting.
Somebody's bringing up TedBundy in these comments.
(20:21):
I'm going to read them.
Oh love you some.
Ted Bundy, this person who theyposted like basically a whole
article and they essentiallyripped off the Internet.
So I'm not going to read that.
But then someone comments andsaid the account of the
attempted abduction of thatcollege student just 45 minutes
earlier and a few miles away isjust chilling to me.
Clearly someone wanted to causeharm that night and it wasn't
going to stop until they did so.
(20:41):
The timing makes me believe thecustomer lynn had to go help
was in fact her would-beabductor, which I think, if that
story is true which is hardbecause the fbi is only going to
give out so much informationwith being open.
So another person replies tothat comment.
Actually this year they repliedto that comment and they said
reminds me of hearing that thenight ted bundy failed to kidnap
(21:02):
carol durant, he abducted andmurdered debbie kent just hours
later.
This is probably somewhatcommon among those predators,
debbie kent so sorry.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Another thing these victims live and free in my head
too holy shit, I, I think.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
And then somebody else had commented and this is
in no way disrespectful toanyone who was involved in it.
Obviously technology advancesand this is just the comment of
one person.
But it says I think the copsdropped the ball in not putting
the abductor's description outto the public.
Even if someone somehow wasn'tthe same person who took lynn,
the person is still a danger tothe public.
No, now, maybe you just didn'thave a good description because
(21:38):
the person wore a ski mask orsomething.
Still, it just seems a littlebit of a missed opportunity.
And then someone else repliedand said you know, it also was
1982.
There could have been a delay.
The college woman is almostgrabbed and takes five minutes
to get to a phone to call forhelp.
It takes another five to tenminutes for police to arrive and
confirm that it's legit, get adescription.
There's 15 minutes gone.
Then they would need to decideif it's a targeted thing or a
general public risk thing.
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The college student isterrified or needs medical
treatment.
That's more time.
Perhaps they need to call onanother person to help
investigate someone to come gether five minutes for all that.
Now we're up to 20 minutes andit's.
It is 1982 and it's not easy tonotify the public quickly like
it is now.
But ted bundy liked colleges.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Yeah, he loved colleges and it's known that he
was in those areas because hewas trying to find out who his
father was and why his mothernever talked about his father
and why she was at that place togive birth to him.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
I mean, it's just very, hmm, I mean, so this is a
person who actually lives in thearea.
I mean, they have a reallyweird name that I'm not going to
read out loud in case theylisten, okay.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Hi listener.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
This case of a female working alone at a convenience
store always stuck with me.
I remember when it happened,not too far from where I was
living I live in Florida and itwas a huge deal because the
young lady was in Okay, so thisis not the same article.
This person is delusional, okay, um, because it was saying the
person is an heiress.
I was like I looked at her home.
She was not an heiress toanything.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Oh, I thought you meant aries to like, like you
astrology no, like heiress, likeoh.
Okay, got it.
Well, we all think we're aqueen of our own home.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
So, and somebody did.
I actually didn't read thearticle that they posted at the
top, but somebody had put in.
Where is it?
It's the thing that made me,that got me attached to this
case.
I could find no description ofthe possible abductor at the
time and no further informationin regards to if anyone was
caught or questioned.
Eventually.
Lynn's case was cold.
For years and years.
(23:38):
Lynn's father kept the frontporch light on for her.
A lot of her siblings are stillalive and still seeking answers
and they say they will alwaysleave the light on for her.
Wow, that line is what gets meevery single time.
It's why I can't let it go.
Her family knew she wouldn'twander away.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
They let it go.
Her family knew she wouldn'twander away.
They know it.
It breaks my heart for thesefamilies where they're like we
can't move, we have to stay inthe same place.
Yeah, because if she comes backin, case they come back and
you're talking a very long timeuh, courtney, I'm gonna say this
and rob, if we feel like weshould take this out, fine, but
I think we need to go to toflorida, north adams, and see if
we can find new records andjust kind of like, yeah, even if
(24:16):
we find one new piece ofinformation, I mean this case is
I just it's.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
I grew up hearing about it and it's just.
It never leaves my head.
There's so many cases likeLynn's.
There's so many families likeLynn's I could think of a ton
more some that are open to thepublicity, some that are not.
Yeah, but it's just after acase goes cold.
I feel like people get sick ofhearing about it, yeah, and I
think that that's hard forpeople to hear and obviously
we're not people like that.
(24:43):
I've just read through.
I mean, it's been like easilyan hour.
I've read through nine articles.
I've already read because I'mlike there's something in here.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
There's something in here, and I think it'd be worth
doing so.
Even if we go up there with theintentions of hopefully having
a podcast, only people can hearmore about lynn and her family
and what may have happened.
If people are like, no, I wantoff the record, at least we
could find some type ofinformation to bring to the
police.
I think it'd be worth it.
Yeah, just try to go interviewpeople like even so, the police
(25:13):
do a lot of work and Iunderstand you hear so many
cases in your ears and you don'talways hear all information.
I think it's the same for us,right?
We hear these families and wehear a lot of information and
some stuff gets shuffled outright, and I think sometimes I
think it would help for us tolisten.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Those people who were tasked with interviewing at
least initially, before it wentcold, were people who knew that
family, so whatever prejudicethey had, whatever right.
You know, whatever bias they hadin their head, whatever
interactions they had, ifsomebody in town, if little suzy
, is saying, well, so-and-so wasa liar, now you're interviewing
them and you're thinking, well,suzy said she's a liar.
So people who are that neutralthird party, who know nothing
(25:51):
about it, who are a little bitmore flexible in their thinking,
she just doesn't strike me asthe kind of person who could
have run away and then seen allof this happen because of her
and not have said something.
I just I don't see it.
I don't see it at all.
I don't see it.
Even for one minute that sheleft.
I think it'd be worth.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
My only other thought is that perhaps it was somebody
who she knew very well and theycame and were like, oh my god,
we have to go, blah, blah, blah,blah, blah happens.
And she was like, oh my god,let me get my purse and my coat
and well because think about thenext paycheck.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Someone owes me she by taking the 200.
Well I'm I'm wondering if theperson didn't go back for the
money because, hear me out, shewas so.
She had a bleeding heart, shehelped children, she helped mom.
If somebody had come into thatstore and said, oh my God, we've
got to go, it's your mom, Ithink she would have gone.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
But would she be like OK, let me just at least gather
enough money for my nextpaycheck, and that's why the two
hundred dollars is gone.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
I don't know.
I mean, I'm thinking that theyjust used it as an excuse to get
her in the car, Like hey, I'mso and so there's.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Maybe they grabbed the cash so definitely couldn't
be someone like lewis slant orted bundy, because they weren't
cash motivated.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
There was no need for it unless it was to throw
someone off the scent.
So then I'm thinking back aboutthat guy who was at the prison
camp up there who had killed thewoman at the hotel prison camp.
Money, low amount, similar area, right, I mean I think I could
see the link there.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
I could see the link there.
I think it's worth coming upwith, you know, 10 to 15
questions that if we can findpeople that that new land or new
of the family and to be like,are you, are you willing to
listen to the questions we haveto have and willing to talk to
us about it?
Speaker 1 (27:30):
I think it'd be interesting yeah, and I I don't
know.
I mean, I know her mother wasunwell so I'm not sure.
I'm not sure if she's stillthere.
The Burdick family is verylarge in that area.
That area has a lot of Burdickfamily.
It's a very popular last namefor that particular small area.
So it's we might have to domore digging.
I'm going to have to becauseit's literally like a sickness.
(27:51):
It lives in my head.
I can't, I can't.
I would say I go down therabbit hole of trying to come up
with new information andarticles, probably three, four
times a year, and every timewhat I will say is she doesn't
get a ton of coverage, but shegets enough that there are
people who are podcasting aboutit, which I love.
There are people who aretalking about it.
There are people who are sayinglots of things.
(28:13):
Now here I just pulled up herobituary.
No, that's someone else withthe exact same name.
Oh, creepy.
It must be her mom, because didthey ever make an obituary for
her?
I don't think so.
No, it's not the same same name, but not the same person in the
same area weird.
There's also a youtube videothat somebody had made a true
(28:36):
crime.
I just it just doesn't.
It doesn't sit right.
It doesn't sit right at all,and a lot.
Wow.
There are a lot of peoplepodcasting about it.
That's great to know, though.
Oh, what is this?
Whereabouts unknown?
It's a book with 20 mysteriousmissing person cases, and lynn
is one of them.
It's on kindle unlimited.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Really read for free and then I'll buy it for free.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
I promise I will buy it.
I just, uh, what's it called?
I'm gonna have to look it upagain because it completely
vanished, oh, whereaboutsunknown.
That's what it was.
Apparently she does missingperson cases from across america
and it's a nine book series, oh, which I'm excited about.
Because not excited, notexcited guys, sorry, just wait,
and it was jen.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Yeah, I think so, jen baxter.
Here is 20 mysterious missingperson.
Oh my gosh, is maura murray onhere?
Speaker 1 (29:29):
she should be, depending on when it was written
, going to end up on some kindof list from my Google history
right now.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Laura Murray is not here, wow, okay, but it's on
there, there's a place calledDoe Network that also has some
good information on it.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
This looks good, though.
Oh, what happens when he leavesus alone?
Speaker 2 (29:50):
She has other burks, she has nine books.
Yeah, she has other burks, shehas nine books.
Yeah, well, wanders, we will.
Uh, we will be going downanother rabbit hole of kindle
unlimited.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
somebody else commented um on a post in reddit
, again asking the other personif they had read up on the
recent joe ringer case thatthey're from mass too and used
to live in the area.
Oh Woman disappeared from EastHampton.
There was a huge search for her.
Her husband was active andspoke about her Cut to.
Two weeks later the cops startquestioning him and he commits
suicide.
It went unsolved up until a fewmonths ago.
(30:24):
They found her body deep in thewoods by Mount Sugarloaf in
Hatfield I think they're goingto.
The husband's ex-girlfriend isbeing held on murder charges.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Oh shit.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
There's so much here wanderers, I feel like women
disappearing from the workplaceis just.
It's too often In this letterthat her dad got where they
don't name the suspect.
It doesn't make sense.
Hmm, someone else on Reddit, Imean, talks about local lore.
He moved to the area of theBerkshires in 1999, and he
(31:06):
remembers hearing a story ofhearsay, which has never been in
print, that authorities wereable to follow footprints in the
snow and slush from the storeto a neighbor's home.
The man who tracks they werelived with his mother and was
never charged.
But there's never been anyprint of that.
So I'm thinking that that'sprobably all speculation.
Although not totally unhelpful,I really wish they had named.
I really wish they just namedanything.
And of course the sketch isalways the most like simple
looking man.
(31:26):
It's always like the same kindof guy you would always see in
the street.
He just looks like a joe,doesn't?
He I need the name of the girl.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
So I love that you're going down another rabbit hole
since this, but do you want topause this and then come back?
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Oh my God, this is not related, but I was trying to
find something from Relevanceand I got this Florida man
accused of 1978 West Springfieldcold case to be arraigned,
posted two days ago.
Was this the guy with the manand woman slaughtered?
Timothy Jolie, 71, ofClearwater, Florida, has been
connected to the double murderof 18-year-old Teresa Marco and
(32:04):
20-year-old Mark Harnish.
Yes, their pickup truck.
Was that the one Green Dodgepickup truck with a damaged
window parked on the runway?
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Yeah, yeah, I saw that I didn't even.
Oh my God, is there aconnection?
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Yeah, so I mean no, not to Lynn.
Oh, but it was because I typedin Florida and mass, I got
Florida man and mass murderinstead of Florida mass.
Yeah, that came on the newsvery recently.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
It was all because of fingerprints.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Yeah, there was a bloody fingerprint.
And what was it Five decadeslater?
Yeah, 1978.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Can you imagine you feel like you're just going to
live out the rest of your lifein peace and then boom, you know
what's interesting though.
Wasn't.
I'm going to pause this so Ican say this Thanks for
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What in the hell did I do to these?
Speaker 2 (00:03):
What the hell See, wilante, you'll be more
comfortable honest.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Okay, okay, oh, sorry guys, this is.
This is ADHD at work.
All right, rob, this is Okay.
What happens when your wifeasks me about a case that lives
in my head?
And then I went down a spiral,so I don't know what we're going
to do with this one.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Mind you, we had at least a 20, 30-minute
conversation before this Okay.
Hi, I'm Hannah and I'm Courtney.
Join us as we delve into truecrime, paranormal encounters and
all things spooky.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Grab your flashlight and get ready to wander into the
darkness with us.
This is W Wander.
This is probably just merambling for myself, but Hannah
and I were sitting in our livingroom and you guys all know how
the missing case of Lynn Burdickgets under my skin.
I came across an article thatsomebody had posted just about a
(01:27):
month ago and read the wholearticle.
You know, cover to cover,texted my mom.
But I just keep going down therabbit hole of of where did she
go?
The first thing I'm seeing isdetails are very like, sporadic,
like some places are sayingthis is the amount of money that
was missing and this is the,and it seems so insignificant.
But some places are saying thisis the amount of money that was
(01:49):
missing and this is the, and itseems so insignificant.
But even like some places aresaying her cousin called it or
was her brother who called?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
the timeline is really the only super consistent
part and they also thought thatlewis lent has something to do
with this, but I'm thinkingbased off what we know.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
I don't think it was him I don't think so either, so
I'm reading a different.
I'm using the charlie projectnow.
That's another resource thatI'm kind of reading for the
first time.
Something that really gives methe chills is when they talk
about who this person is first,I just I read about her family
(02:21):
and I just feel for them.
I mean, we were talking earlierand there was that prosecutor
who wrote a book and he, whenthey asked him, why didn't you
link?
him to her I had no idea he waslike who I didn't even know,
Because back then I mean thatjust wasn't Yep.
Anyways, I agree with theauthorities and all the accounts
I've read so far.
She didn't run away and they'reon the same exact time.
(02:49):
That really bothers me.
They did do updated sketches,everybody and hannah.
Because I don't know what we'regonna do with this, I'm just
gonna podcast it as if we are umpassion project to put this one
in the vault of passionprojects.
But I I just feel like theupdated sketches were you
wouldn't just update a sketchfor no reason, right, you know
what I'm saying.
(03:09):
Like you're talking 2022, fromthe 80s, why would they just
have recently with no lead?
But I'm like you know whatwould be a great time to update
these sketches?
Right the fuck now.
So they did update the sketches.
I'm also reading and again, Idon't fact checking, I don't
know, I'm just doing like arough.
I find something.
There's the village.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Sorry, everybody christmas village is going off.
When I find something new.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
I'm just copying and pasting it to another note app
um, but it says in 1995burdick's father received an
anonymous letter postmarked fromboston from a man stating that
his daughter had been abductedand murdered by a man in north
adams.
Authorities are familiar withthe suspect named in the letter
and pleaded for the letterauthor to come forward with more
information.
North adams is near florida andis believed that burdick's case
(03:56):
could have been connected tothe mentioned suspect, who was
interviewed extensively bypolice.
But there is no evidence tosupport this theory.
The writer remains unidentifiedand authorities do not know if
the note was a hoax or if it waslegitimate.
And then it just goes into whoshe was, which is also important
.
So I'll read it, but it justdrops right off of that.
She was a senior.
She went to McCann VocationalTechnical High School in 1982.
(04:16):
She was about to go through allof that spring prom graduation
stuff.
She wanted to be a cartoonist.
She was going to graduate withhigh honors and she was known as
(04:40):
very studious, well-behaved.
She took care of herchronically ill mother.
She volunteered with severalcharities that assisted people
with disabilities.
She was a caretaker.
She was the youngest of fourand she had planned to stay home
after graduation to help takecare of her mom, um to hopefully
save up enough money to go tocollege.
She did not have a driver'slicense, she did not have a car
and she was not dating anyone atthe time of her murder or
disappearance.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Presumed murder it just seems like the perfect
crime it's like maura murray allover again it's too perfect.
And like you's, like MauraMurray, all over again it's too
perfect.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
And like you bring up Maura Murray, it just I don't
know.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Maura Murray is like something that lives right free
in my head.
Maura Murray is your LynnBurdick.
It is Maura Murray she reallyis.
I don't know.
Just drove away to get away andlike all these things perfectly
came together and we have noidea what happened.
Just like I'm getting passionatepeople like what is going on
like what happened to thesewomen, these women that had so
much going for them, that weresmart, that came from, you know.
(05:36):
I mean, well, it sounds likelimberdick came from a good
family.
I honestly I'm not sure aboutmaura murray.
It sounds like there was, butyou know, every family has every
family has a shit.
I mean, I feel like yeah,because, like I mean, we all sat
around here earlier court andwe were, like you know, family
drama, like everyone has it itjust is inevitable.
No one's family is perfect andwe know that.
But especially as you get older, you get different
(05:59):
personalities and we get set inour ways.
But I don't know, know, justlike you said, 100 yards, like
several yards from her house.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
How long did they-?
She lives several hundred yardsfrom this building and it just
makes no sense.
The barefoot peddler is nowtaken down.
It was owned by her cousin iswhat some of the sources I'm
finding were.
And I mean, I see where somepeople would go and they would
say, okay, she was strapped forcash, right, she was trying to
save for college.
She was somebody who, even ifshe could have gone to college,
she was planning on taking careof her mom.
(06:28):
Okay, so even if she had themoney, would she have gone?
I don't know, I don't know her.
I feel like I get a vibe off ofthe whole situation where it's
like why would she?
She didn't strike me as thekind of person who would have
stole money.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
If she did cash that was stowed away for like
emergencies underneath which shewas very well because she
worked there for several months.
You said so.
She had to be 18 to work therebecause they sold alcohol, so
like.
Why would she wait severalmonths after, like if you were
planning on stealing right?
Speaker 1 (06:53):
and it's from her own cousin, right, would you?
Still, I don't think she wouldhave stolen from anybody, let
alone her own family.
I really don't.
I won't.
I'm trying to find more aboutthat letter that her dad
received, because to me I'venever heard about that.
So was it supposed to be like aransom note?
It was just so.
This is a different sourcetalking about the same letter.
Uh, 1995, father received ananonymous letter postmarked from
(07:13):
boston.
So while that's all the same,it was written by a man alleging
that burdick's daughter, lynn,had been abducted and murdered
by an individual who lived innorth adams mass, which florida,
florida and North Adams aresynonymous.
Florida is part of, essentially, it's not part of North Adams.
That's why we all look at it.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
I feel like, unless you're from Western Mass, you
think Florida, you only think ofthe state of Florida.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
And it's I mean they at one point in one of the
sources we're talking about,monroe, which is right next to
Florida Mass, and it only has100 people, mass, and it only
has 100 people.
100 people, this is like thekind of population we're talking
about.
So it would be hard to say likeI'm getting ahead of myself,
but I don't feel like the personknew her, because the crime
doesn't line up, so it doesn't.
She worked a shift from four tonine.
(07:55):
So if you knew her, wouldn'tyou in my mind?
I mean, I've never abductedsomebody, I don't plan to, but I
don't think I would go at like8, 8, 30 to try to abduct
someone who you know might havebeen getting a ride, who might
have had somebody coming in whythat close to shutting down?
Speaker 2 (08:09):
I would have gone closer to five, closer.
So was it more like like aconvenience store?
Speaker 1 (08:13):
yeah it was a convenience store.
You could get your alcohol, youcould get you know like
cigarettes so.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
So you had mentioned earlier to me when we were on
the couch talking about this wasa car that was stolen from
Braintree, yeah, but then youalso mentioned a letter that was
postmarked from Boston.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Yeah, those things.
And then they're saying thatthe backing it up, a car was
stolen from Braintree on thethird day that Lynn was missing.
They found it completely burntup in Vermont, you know, very
far from Braintree,Massachusetts, which is out near
Boston, up in Vermont, you know, very far from Braintree,
massachusetts, which is out nearBoston, and it matched the
description for the car that hadabducted the girl from Williams
(08:51):
College or tried to abduct her,except for the fact that the
woman who was, you know, frantic, who had just been attempted to
be taken, said bucket seats.
So everything from the color tothe shape of the taillights to
the interior of the car matched,except the seat style.
And for some reason I feel likethat was a huge red flag that
they just chucked this car out.
It was found around the sametime.
I mean, think about it, theperfect crime.
You kidnap somebody, you try toright they get away from you.
(09:15):
You're like, oh shit, you gokidnap somebody else.
Now your car has been seenerratically driving because
there was a complaint betweenthe two.
You burn it right, you stole it, you committed the crime.
Now you've got to get rid of it, all those fibers, all that
stuff.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
But just because she said bucket in this car, didn't
have bucket, we're gonna throwall this can't be the car they
were just like it can't be.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
It's too much, it's I .
It's too much pressure on awoman who was just almost
abducted.
It's too much pressure and it'syep to me.
If you've got, I mean we're,we're in data and behavior.
If five things match up andone's not right, I'm going to
keep looking.
I'm not going to just be like,oh, abort mission, okay, that's
not right.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Because if they say, oh, no, it was a pickup truck
with bucket seats and it wasblue and you found a red car
with non-bucket seats.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Okay, that doesn't match up.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
A seat style seems really.
Yeah, because I think about thebundy case and how everyone's
like, oh well, he didn't havehis front passenger seat, right,
you could take him out, andthen he puts one back in.
So if they find a bug rightwith the seat in there, oh it
can't be the car because there'sa seat in it, right.
Bullshit, because you canchange that.
So specifically.
It doesn't make any sense, Ifeel like some people get way
too pigeonholed.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Yep um, which is annoying.
Oh, there's another podcastthat actually did an episode on
lynn burdick oh really, what wasthe name of the podcast?
Speaker 2 (10:41):
creme de la crime, oh okay, I've never heard of it,
but I'm gonna listen to it,definitely I just I, you know,
court, going back to like whatwe do for a living as behavior
analysts.
I think about you know the kidsthat we work with, and you have
a child that's learning a newskill right, and they're
learning, learning.
They do well, do well, do well.
And they have that one off dayright.
(11:02):
They're sick and we may notknow it, or they had a bad
night's sleep or they didn't getthe breakfast.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
They want Something in the room is bothering them
Like, oh okay, they don't knowthis skill at all.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
No, okay, they had a bad day and I know that's kind
of maybe far off from what we'retalking about, but like-.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Zero and a hundred.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Yes, there's something to be said in the
middle yeah Right, I can't, wecan't.
Oh no, all this data is wrong,like okay data that we have.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
No, and I feel like, is that too far off?
I'm trying to find a connectionhere.
It's not because I feel like ifI was investigating something.
I'm one of those people whowould be like a big time crime
nerd, like what do you see inthe TV shows and it's ridiculous
, and they have a whole roomwith every article and
everything.
That's how my brain strives thatway, but I feel like it's so
easy to overlook a detail.
(11:48):
It so easy to you know, we'renot talking about a big town.
We're talking about a smalltown with a part-time police
chief.
Okay, not a part-time policeofficer, not a volunteer fire
department.
We're talking about a part-timepolice chief, okay, everybody's
connected in those areas.
It becomes a really bigwhodunit yep.
(12:11):
And I think what's interestingis when I'm reading all of this,
nobody looked at anybody local.
They seem to be from and I'vedone limited research.
At this point I would say I'mvery early in, like the actual,
like hey, I'm gonna get in hereand dig into this.
They were very like it was thisoutsider which matches the
mentality of that area.
It was this outsider, it wasthis person who came in here,
who, who tried to abduct thatone girl.
(12:33):
I mean, I'll give them that thegirl he tried to abduct was at
the Williams College.
She was a freshman, so she was18, 19 at the most, and Lynn was
18.
So I will say that, if I cansee why the comparison was drawn
, the timelines, the ages, butthat can't be the only suspect,
you can't.
And my brain is going so fast.
And even the letter that he gotin 1995.
(12:54):
It keeps saying the police werefamiliar with the named suspect
.
The police were familiar.
Who is this person and why arewe not saying?
And so I'm?
Speaker 2 (13:01):
bringing around the fact that, like, was there a
limitation?
Right, if we think about, like,research articles, we talk
about the limitations at the endof the article.
Right, so you go through, likeyour research methods and the
data that you have, you go tolimitations.
Right, what is the limitationsof this certain article?
Basically, yeah, so I thinkabout the limitations with this
part-time police chief.
Is it because it's such a smalltown?
(13:23):
He knows every well?
It's not possible.
It could be the uncle, it's notpossible it could be the best
friend.
I feel like that's a limitation.
You need to have an outsidesource who has no connections to
anyone.
So like yes, a small town,great, we only have so many
people to go through, but ifyou're connected to all those
people it's harder.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
There's a bias there's a bias that even if
you're aware of it it's there.
And what strikes me too is like,at the same time, that they
were thinking and I do, if youask me, in my heart, what do I
think happened to Lynn?
I don't think she ran away.
She was a girl who cared awhole lot about her family.
She was a girl who was going tograduate with high honors and
she was aspiring to go tocollege, and she didn't have a
(14:01):
boyfriend and there was nobodywho wished to harm her.
I don't, I don't think thatperson would have run away on
their own accord, unless therewas a lot more that we just
don't know and I'll always saythat's a possibility, but in my
heart I feel like it was a.
It was a wrong place, wrongtime.
I think somebody did somethingand it was a quick decision, or
maybe they just had her in theirsights.
I really hope it wasn't that.
(14:21):
And and something bad happenedand I don't think she's still
out there.
I wish she was, but I just Ifeel like it's.
They were like, okay, ok, shewouldn't have run away, she was
obviously kidnapped.
And then they were just likelet's search the woods, yeah.
And it was like, ok, well, didwe look for fingerprints?
Like I know it's a conveniencestore, but something, did you
(14:42):
know the soda was hers?
Did you just presume the sodawas hers?
Like I just feel like a lot ofthe evidence and I know we're
not privy to that because it'san open case, right but there's
nobody talking.
It literally looks like in theresearch they noticed she was
missing.
The part-time police chief wascalled by whoever it was mixed
signals on who it was whoactually discovered some sources
say it was a patron of theconvenience store went in and
(15:04):
they were like where the fuck's?
My service you know what I mean?
Like why does it look likesomebody nobody's in here and
called and then in sources itwas her brother had gone down to
check on her and she wasn'tthere.
Regardless, I feel like it waslike the police chief came.
He was like, hmm, okay, looksodd, but whatever, let's call in
some extras.
And then they were searching.
And it's like in my mind, whydid you go right to searching
(15:27):
the woods, right, you didn'tthink she ran away?
It tells me you were lookingfor a body, but why would you
immediately go to?
This just happened.
Let's look for a body, yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
With no signs of foul play, truly, I mean if there's
blood on the floor or there's asign of a struggle.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
I'm like, okay, let's look.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Right.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
But if it looks like she just walked out, was
persuaded, right, maybe with aweapon, maybe with some kind of
blackmail, or maybe she wastaken and they just fixed the
room, that could have happenedtoo.
There's a lot of pieces to itthat I'm like.
I just don't see why thatwasn't looked into.
Yeah, I agree, I really do wantto read the book.
(16:03):
I forget who the guy is now.
I'll have to look that back up.
But there was an old prosecutorwho had written a book about
some killings and things thathad happened in the area too so
you're willing to read that book, even though it has someone
burnick in it yeah, because I'mthinking that he, I, if I want
to make this case, I think Ineed to get information from
places that didn't pull her in,to look for those places where
(16:24):
you could, because somebodyknows something, yeah, somebody
knows something, or somebody did.
Somebody knows something orsomebody did.
There's got to be something.
People don't just vanish.
I mean I know, like MauraMurray and I know there are lots
of cases where that happens,but there is always an answer.
It's like what we do for workBehavior just doesn't
spontaneously happen, there'salways a reason.
(16:45):
It's always cause and effect.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
There has to be something and I'll be damned I'm
gonna find it, because itbothers me and this poor family
deserves that it's and somethingI'm finding too and I know this
is in research articles as wellis that behavior isn't just one
function, it's usuallymulti-function, of course you
know.
So was it just because, oh,it's spontaneous, I'm gonna do
it.
Or was it by greed?
Was it by sexual desire?
(17:09):
I mean the fact that he took agirl supposedly right, we're
thinking here took a girl and$200.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Like yeah it doesn't make sense, it doesn't and, and
I'm thinking, okay, I mean,obviously it's really hard to
like put your mind into, like,okay, I'm a person who's
motivated to take people Right,even if I go in.
Okay, let's say, the 200doesn't make any.
I can't make it and I mean,okay, they took her purse, so
(17:39):
maybe this person was like I'mgonna make it look like she went
away, like she left.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
So they just grabbed her stuff hastily, but they left
her book on the counter so I'mI'm kind of saying something
about the 200, so I feel likeI've done enough events where,
like you are given the cashright, it's usually a straight
amount 100, 200, whatever andthen you start earning right, so
you might be left with 250 andsome change, or 275, some change
(18:05):
.
It was directly 200.
So you're telling me, likethere's no way, if she was held
under duress unless the personwas like I only want 200 and so
many bills that she would leavecash in the drawer well, and
this is the thing that bothersme, so does she not?
have any sales.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
That doesn't make any sense nobody's saying whether
it was like 200 and then thedrawer was dead, or it was like
took 200 from the drawer.
So that's weird but why aboutthe technology back then.
We won't.
They would have had to just say, well, the day started with two
.
But we don't really know whathappened because it was probably
an old register.
It probably didn't calculatethe sales that way there was
(18:42):
probably no receipt thinghappening but like they would
know what the drawer started outwith well I'm assuming every
shift 200 and that's why theycan only say so.
Some of the sources were saying200 was taken, some said 187.
Some said 180.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
But I'm saying if it, was 200 and they know the day
started with 200, that meansnothing was missing from the
drawer.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
That's what's confusing, I don't know.
It seems so.
I know that Reddit is not agood source to go on, but I love
reading Reddit to hear whatother people are saying.
But you know what I mean is nota good source to go on, but I
love reading Reddit to hear whatother people are saying.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
But you know what I?
Speaker 1 (19:13):
mean it doesn't make sense, but I'm assuming that
because it was credit card,because credit cards were around
.
I think it was because theycould only say whatever the day
started with, because theycouldn't account for it.
The register and the pictureslook so fucking old.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
So you're saying that they lost $200, but they
weren't sure of the sales beforethat, right, I think that
they're just saying well, it was200 in the drawer, so at least
200, we can tell you Could havebeen, four could have been.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
That makes sense.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Okay, I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
They talk a lot about how it was a slow day, but they
also talk a lot about how therewas like how could they know it
was a slow day?
Because they didn't have thecash.
I guess at some point someoneat her house had called her to
be like hey, how's work, how'sit going, whatever.
And then she was like oh, it'sslow, hang on, I've got a
customer, I've got to go.
Some of the, some of thesources say that she told him
I'm like hey, can't talk rightnow.
(20:00):
I've got a customer.
That was the customer and then,and then nobody heard so they
don't know if it was thatcustomer, or you know what I
mean.
There's a lot of like oh there'sso many blanks shit.
I'm looking at the Redditthread now, which I know is not
Damn so interesting.
Somebody's bringing up TedBundy in these comments.
(20:21):
I'm going to read them.
Oh love you some.
Ted Bundy, this person who theyposted like basically a whole
article and they essentiallyripped off the Internet.
So I'm not going to read that.
But then someone comments andsaid the account of the
attempted abduction of thatcollege student just 45 minutes
earlier and a few miles away isjust chilling to me.
Clearly someone wanted to causeharm that night and it wasn't
going to stop until they did so.
(20:41):
The timing makes me believe thecustomer lynn had to go help
was in fact her would-beabductor, which I think, if that
story is true which is hardbecause the fbi is only going to
give out so much informationwith being open.
So another person replies tothat comment.
Actually this year they repliedto that comment and they said
reminds me of hearing that thenight ted bundy failed to kidnap
(21:02):
carol durant, he abducted andmurdered debbie kent just hours
later.
This is probably somewhatcommon among those predators,
debbie kent so sorry.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Another thing these victims live and free in my head
too holy shit, I, I think.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
And then somebody else had commented and this is
in no way disrespectful toanyone who was involved in it.
Obviously technology advancesand this is just the comment of
one person.
But it says I think the copsdropped the ball in not putting
the abductor's description outto the public.
Even if someone somehow wasn'tthe same person who took lynn,
the person is still a danger tothe public.
No, now, maybe you just didn'thave a good description because
(21:38):
the person wore a ski mask orsomething.
Still, it just seems a littlebit of a missed opportunity.
And then someone else repliedand said you know, it also was
1982.
There could have been a delay.
The college woman is almostgrabbed and takes five minutes
to get to a phone to call forhelp.
It takes another five to tenminutes for police to arrive and
confirm that it's legit, get adescription.
There's 15 minutes gone.
Then they would need to decideif it's a targeted thing or a
general public risk thing.
(21:58):
The college student isterrified or needs medical
treatment.
That's more time.
Perhaps they need to call onanother person to help
investigate someone to come gether five minutes for all that.
Now we're up to 20 minutes andit's.
It is 1982 and it's not easy tonotify the public quickly like
it is now.
But ted bundy liked colleges.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Yeah, he loved colleges and it's known that he
was in those areas because hewas trying to find out who his
father was and why his mothernever talked about his father
and why she was at that place togive birth to him.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
I mean, it's just very, hmm, I mean, so this is a
person who actually lives in thearea.
I mean, they have a reallyweird name that I'm not going to
read out loud in case theylisten, okay.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Hi listener.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
This case of a female working alone at a convenience
store always stuck with me.
I remember when it happened,not too far from where I was
living I live in Florida and itwas a huge deal because the
young lady was in Okay, so thisis not the same article.
This person is delusional, okay, um, because it was saying the
person is an heiress.
I was like I looked at her home.
She was not an heiress toanything.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Oh, I thought you meant aries to like, like you
astrology no, like heiress, likeoh.
Okay, got it.
Well, we all think we're aqueen of our own home.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
So, and somebody did.
I actually didn't read thearticle that they posted at the
top, but somebody had put in.
Where is it?
It's the thing that made me,that got me attached to this
case.
I could find no description ofthe possible abductor at the
time and no further informationin regards to if anyone was
caught or questioned.
Eventually.
Lynn's case was cold.
For years and years.
(23:38):
Lynn's father kept the frontporch light on for her.
A lot of her siblings are stillalive and still seeking answers
and they say they will alwaysleave the light on for her.
Wow, that line is what gets meevery single time.
It's why I can't let it go.
Her family knew she wouldn'twander away.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
They let it go.
Her family knew she wouldn'twander away.
They know it.
It breaks my heart for thesefamilies where they're like we
can't move, we have to stay inthe same place.
Yeah, because if she comes backin, case they come back and
you're talking a very long timeuh, courtney, I'm gonna say this
and rob, if we feel like weshould take this out, fine, but
I think we need to go to toflorida, north adams, and see if
we can find new records andjust kind of like, yeah, even if
(24:16):
we find one new piece ofinformation, I mean this case is
I just it's.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
I grew up hearing about it and it's just.
It never leaves my head.
There's so many cases likeLynn's.
There's so many families likeLynn's I could think of a ton
more some that are open to thepublicity, some that are not.
Yeah, but it's just after acase goes cold.
I feel like people get sick ofhearing about it, yeah, and I
think that that's hard forpeople to hear and obviously
we're not people like that.
(24:43):
I've just read through.
I mean, it's been like easilyan hour.
I've read through nine articles.
I've already read because I'mlike there's something in here.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
There's something in here, and I think it'd be worth
doing so.
Even if we go up there with theintentions of hopefully having
a podcast, only people can hearmore about lynn and her family
and what may have happened.
If people are like, no, I wantoff the record, at least we
could find some type ofinformation to bring to the
police.
I think it'd be worth it.
Yeah, just try to go interviewpeople like even so, the police
(25:13):
do a lot of work and Iunderstand you hear so many
cases in your ears and you don'talways hear all information.
I think it's the same for us,right?
We hear these families and wehear a lot of information and
some stuff gets shuffled outright, and I think sometimes I
think it would help for us tolisten.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Those people who were tasked with interviewing at
least initially, before it wentcold, were people who knew that
family, so whatever prejudicethey had, whatever right.
You know, whatever bias they hadin their head, whatever
interactions they had, ifsomebody in town, if little suzy
, is saying, well, so-and-so wasa liar, now you're interviewing
them and you're thinking, well,suzy said she's a liar.
So people who are that neutralthird party, who know nothing
(25:51):
about it, who are a little bitmore flexible in their thinking,
she just doesn't strike me asthe kind of person who could
have run away and then seen allof this happen because of her
and not have said something.
I just I don't see it.
I don't see it at all.
I don't see it.
Even for one minute that sheleft.
I think it'd be worth.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
My only other thought is that perhaps it was somebody
who she knew very well and theycame and were like, oh my god,
we have to go, blah, blah, blah,blah, blah happens.
And she was like, oh my god,let me get my purse and my coat
and well because think about thenext paycheck.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Someone owes me she by taking the 200.
Well I'm I'm wondering if theperson didn't go back for the
money because, hear me out, shewas so.
She had a bleeding heart, shehelped children, she helped mom.
If somebody had come into thatstore and said, oh my God, we've
got to go, it's your mom, Ithink she would have gone.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
But would she be like OK, let me just at least gather
enough money for my nextpaycheck, and that's why the two
hundred dollars is gone.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
I don't know.
I mean, I'm thinking that theyjust used it as an excuse to get
her in the car, Like hey, I'mso and so there's.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Maybe they grabbed the cash so definitely couldn't
be someone like lewis slant orted bundy, because they weren't
cash motivated.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
There was no need for it unless it was to throw
someone off the scent.
So then I'm thinking back aboutthat guy who was at the prison
camp up there who had killed thewoman at the hotel prison camp.
Money, low amount, similar area, right, I mean I think I could
see the link there.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
I could see the link there.
I think it's worth coming upwith, you know, 10 to 15
questions that if we can findpeople that that new land or new
of the family and to be like,are you, are you willing to
listen to the questions we haveto have and willing to talk to
us about it?
Speaker 1 (27:30):
I think it'd be interesting yeah, and I I don't
know.
I mean, I know her mother wasunwell so I'm not sure.
I'm not sure if she's stillthere.
The Burdick family is verylarge in that area.
That area has a lot of Burdickfamily.
It's a very popular last namefor that particular small area.
So it's we might have to domore digging.
I'm going to have to becauseit's literally like a sickness.
(27:51):
It lives in my head.
I can't, I can't.
I would say I go down therabbit hole of trying to come up
with new information andarticles, probably three, four
times a year, and every timewhat I will say is she doesn't
get a ton of coverage, but shegets enough that there are
people who are podcasting aboutit, which I love.
There are people who aretalking about it.
There are people who are sayinglots of things.
(28:13):
Now here I just pulled up herobituary.
No, that's someone else withthe exact same name.
Oh, creepy.
It must be her mom, because didthey ever make an obituary for
her?
I don't think so.
No, it's not the same same name, but not the same person in the
same area weird.
There's also a youtube videothat somebody had made a true
(28:36):
crime.
I just it just doesn't.
It doesn't sit right.
It doesn't sit right at all,and a lot.
Wow.
There are a lot of peoplepodcasting about it.
That's great to know, though.
Oh, what is this?
Whereabouts unknown?
It's a book with 20 mysteriousmissing person cases, and lynn
is one of them.
It's on kindle unlimited.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Really read for free and then I'll buy it for free.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
I promise I will buy it.
I just, uh, what's it called?
I'm gonna have to look it upagain because it completely
vanished, oh, whereaboutsunknown.
That's what it was.
Apparently she does missingperson cases from across america
and it's a nine book series, oh, which I'm excited about.
Because not excited, notexcited guys, sorry, just wait,
and it was jen.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Yeah, I think so, jen baxter.
Here is 20 mysterious missingperson.
Oh my gosh, is maura murray onhere?
Speaker 1 (29:29):
she should be, depending on when it was written
, going to end up on some kindof list from my Google history
right now.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Laura Murray is not here, wow, okay, but it's on
there, there's a place calledDoe Network that also has some
good information on it.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
This looks good, though.
Oh, what happens when he leavesus alone?
Speaker 2 (29:50):
She has other burks, she has nine books.
Yeah, she has other burks, shehas nine books.
Yeah, well, wanders, we will.
Uh, we will be going downanother rabbit hole of kindle
unlimited.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
somebody else commented um on a post in reddit
, again asking the other personif they had read up on the
recent joe ringer case thatthey're from mass too and used
to live in the area.
Oh Woman disappeared from EastHampton.
There was a huge search for her.
Her husband was active andspoke about her Cut to.
Two weeks later the cops startquestioning him and he commits
suicide.
It went unsolved up until a fewmonths ago.
(30:24):
They found her body deep in thewoods by Mount Sugarloaf in
Hatfield I think they're goingto.
The husband's ex-girlfriend isbeing held on murder charges.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Oh shit.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
There's so much here wanderers, I feel like women
disappearing from the workplaceis just.
It's too often In this letterthat her dad got where they
don't name the suspect.
It doesn't make sense.
Hmm, someone else on Reddit, Imean, talks about local lore.
He moved to the area of theBerkshires in 1999, and he
(31:06):
remembers hearing a story ofhearsay, which has never been in
print, that authorities wereable to follow footprints in the
snow and slush from the storeto a neighbor's home.
The man who tracks they werelived with his mother and was
never charged.
But there's never been anyprint of that.
So I'm thinking that that'sprobably all speculation.
Although not totally unhelpful,I really wish they had named.
I really wish they just namedanything.
And of course the sketch isalways the most like simple
looking man.
(31:26):
It's always like the same kindof guy you would always see in
the street.
He just looks like a joe,doesn't?
He I need the name of the girl.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
So I love that you're going down another rabbit hole
since this, but do you want topause this and then come back?
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Oh my God, this is not related, but I was trying to
find something from Relevanceand I got this Florida man
accused of 1978 West Springfieldcold case to be arraigned,
posted two days ago.
Was this the guy with the manand woman slaughtered?
Timothy Jolie, 71, ofClearwater, Florida, has been
connected to the double murderof 18-year-old Teresa Marco and
(32:04):
20-year-old Mark Harnish.
Yes, their pickup truck.
Was that the one Green Dodgepickup truck with a damaged
window parked on the runway?
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Yeah, yeah, I saw that I didn't even.
Oh my God, is there aconnection?
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Yeah, so I mean no, not to Lynn.
Oh, but it was because I typedin Florida and mass, I got
Florida man and mass murderinstead of Florida mass.
Yeah, that came on the newsvery recently.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
It was all because of fingerprints.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Yeah, there was a bloody fingerprint.
And what was it Five decadeslater?
Yeah, 1978.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Can you imagine you feel like you're just going to
live out the rest of your lifein peace and then boom, you know
what's interesting though.
Wasn't.
I'm going to pause this so Ican say this Thanks for
listening today.
Wicked Wanderings is hosted byme, Hannah, and co-hosted by me,
courtney, and it's produced byRob Fitzpatrick.
Music by Sasha N.
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