March 5, 2025 • 26 mins
We explore the dark world of true crime alongside Cousin Mark as we engage in a thrilling trivia game about infamous killers. The episode dives into cannibal stories, peculiar crime facts, and the psychology behind these heinous acts.
• Trivia with Cousin Mark about notorious serial killers
• Discussion on notable cannibals and their crimes
• Highlights from trivia questions that challenge true crime knowledge
• Analysis of psychological aspects of serial killers
• Reflections on societal obsession with crime narratives
• Engaging banter mixed into chilling topics
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Hannah (00:00):
So my mom, oh my mom, oh , my god, Courtney.
Courtney (00:03):
Wow, I don't like where this is going already.
Cousin Marc (00:06):
Oh boy Okay.
Hannah (00:19):
Hi, I'm Hannah and I'm Courtney.
Join us as we delve into truecrime, paranormal encounters and
all things spooky.
Courtney (00:26):
Grab your flashlight and get ready to wander into the
darkness with us.
This is Wicked.
Hannah (00:33):
Wanderings.
All right, everybody, we have aspecial coming for you today.
(00:54):
Hello Courtney, Hi Hannah,Hello Rob.
Rob (00:57):
Hello.
Hannah (00:58):
And hello, Cousin Mark.
Cousin Marc (01:00):
Hello everybody, in the flesh, in the virtual flesh
, in the virtual flesh, in thevirtual flesh.
Hannah (01:07):
This is a very impromptu episode, guys, but I called
Cousin Mark.
I was like hey, you busy.
Rob (01:13):
No, this was pre-planned.
What are you talking about?
Courtney (01:16):
This was a true crime version of the you up text.
Cousin Marc (01:20):
Pre-planned for you guys Surprised on me.
Courtney (01:23):
You said we could surprise you whenever.
To be fair, you did say you hada good time and we could always
offer.
Rob (01:28):
Always so, hannah?
What are we doing today?
Hannah (01:31):
Oh, we're doing trivia.
Rob (01:32):
Trivia.
Hannah (01:34):
Are we using the same trivia book?
Well, we have Cousin Markleading us today with his trivia
book, and I'm very excited forthis.
Rob (01:40):
It's actually the same trivia book we have.
Hannah (01:42):
Yes, but I don't know, have we used that one?
Rob (01:45):
Yes, we have.
Hannah (01:45):
Oh well, let's see what Cousin Mark has oh there you go.
Cousin Marc (01:48):
Yeah, so mine is what cannibal has the highest
victim count.
Hannah (01:54):
All right.
If it's not Dahmer, then Idon't know if I know.
Cousin Marc (01:57):
What it says here is while Jeffrey Dahmer is
generally considered to be theonly cannibal in the Western
world to have amassed asubstantial victim count of 17,
one Russian serial killer trumpsall when it comes to mass
cannibalism Andre Ciccolito,also known as the Butcher of
(02:17):
Rostov, was found guilty of 52murders.
Oh wow.
Courtney (02:23):
Why does that name sound familiar?
Did we read that fact?
I might have sent it to you inthe text.
Oh wow, why does that namesound familiar?
Did we read that fact?
Cousin Marc (02:26):
I might have sent it to you in the text.
Courtney (02:28):
That's true.
He does keep us well informedon our daily true crime stuff.
Cousin Marc (02:32):
Oh, I try so many involving acts of cannibalism.
Chicalito grew up in thewar-torn Russia in the 30s and
40s.
That's a thing that I'venoticed.
A lot of the serial killerswere born between 1930 and 1960.
Read them through my books.
Courtney (02:50):
That does line up a lot with what we've talked about
too, Right?
Hannah (02:53):
Yes, we noticed a lot of serial killers were coming out,
like the 60s and 70s.
There were tons.
Cousin Marc (02:57):
So he targeted a wide range of victim types
children of both genders, middleaged women and he would just
lure them in places and thentake them out.
When he was being tried incourt.
They put him in a locked cage,not because they were afraid of
(03:18):
him.
They were afraid of everybodyin the court going after him.
Courtney (03:22):
Wow Interesting.
Cousin Marc (03:25):
God, so it was more for the protection of him than
it was the protection ofeverybody else, that's
interesting.
Rob (03:33):
It's very interesting.
Courtney (03:34):
Cannibalism.
I feel like cousin Mark pickedthat on purpose, cause he knows
I don't like cannibals.
Oh you and cannibalism, andyou're smirking under all that
facial hair and blushing too.
Rob (03:53):
Cousin Mark, did you go to the website and see the
AI-generated image of you that Iused?
I did, did you like it?
I did that was pretty cool,okay.
All right, that was pretty coolOkay.
Cousin Marc (04:05):
All right, that was pretty cool.
Courtney (04:06):
How come some of us got AI generated and some of us
got our LinkedIn picture?
Rob (04:10):
Okay, do you want me to change yours?
Yes, it's my.
Courtney (04:13):
LinkedIn picture from 2012.
Rob (04:15):
Okay, it also says I'm a guest.
It says you're a guest, yeah,no way.
Yeah, no way, no, it's I'm afrequent guest.
Okay, I will update our websiteaccordingly.
Courtney (04:27):
I think I'm going to make everyone.
You don't have to upgrade mysalary.
Rob (04:29):
I'm going to All right All right, who's next?
Cousin Marc (04:34):
then?
Someone else go, I'll look forsomething else.
Rob (04:36):
Your turn.
Same book, different book.
Courtney (04:39):
Oh, different book.
Okay, that's the one that I gotat Barnes Noble Different book.
What's the name of this book?
It is Totally Terrifying.
True Crime Trivia by BrianBoone.
We have not worked our way allthe way through it yet.
The Oakland County child killergave a victim a notable last
meal.
Four children, two boys and twogirls, disappeared from Oakland
County, michigan, in 1976 and1977.
(05:01):
During a press conference, themother of one of the boys
pleaded for her child's safereturn.
She made an offhand commentabout wanting to feed him his
favorite meal, kentucky FriedChicken.
When he came home A few dayslater, all of the victim's
bodies were found and one boy'sstomach was his last meal,
kentucky Fried Chicken.
Aww, that boy's name wasTimothy King.
Cousin Marc (05:23):
Oh, wow, aww, oh.
Hannah (05:25):
Oh.
Courtney (05:28):
Is that your episode coming out?
That is a sneak peek to myepisode coming out next week.
Rob (05:32):
Oh, there you go.
All right, that sounds likeit's going to be a multi episode
.
Courtney (05:37):
Yeah, it's one of those cases that just really I
had prepped it for today andthen last night I was doing some
more research into it, justbecause I couldn't sleep.
And what else better to do thanlook up serial killers?
I know Cousin Mark gets me.
Cousin Marc (05:50):
That's what I do.
Courtney (05:51):
I found that there was actually a lot more connected
to that one case than originallyplanned, so I'd rather be able
to paint the whole picture.
So it'll probably be atwo-parter at least.
Cousin Marc (05:59):
Very nice and you did see that they found the
identification of Jack theRipper.
Rob (06:06):
Yeah, I did hear that.
Hannah (06:08):
Actually is it weird that I'm upset about it.
It kind of was this wholemystery of who Jack the Ripper
was.
It lost the allure.
Courtney (06:16):
The allure, the allure .
Rob (06:18):
Really yes.
Cousin Marc (06:20):
Huh Something should be a mystery, yeah Huh,
something should be a mystery,yeah.
So Jack the Ripper was one ofthe first serial killers to
capture.
The public imagination wasconsidered to be disorganized
and a sociopath.
Hannah (06:35):
Hmm, he had to be Polish right, was that?
Cousin Marc (06:37):
what?
Yeah?
Yeah, he was a Polish barber.
Hannah (06:40):
Which kind of like, if anyone's seen.
Rob (06:43):
Sweeney Todd.
Hannah (06:44):
Sweeney Todd, thank you yeah seen Sweeney Todd.
Cousin Marc (06:46):
Sweeney Todd, thank you, yeah, I love Sweeney Todd.
All right, here we go, here wego.
Hannah.
Oh boy, ted Bundy, generallyconsidered to be the gold
standard of psychopaths,exhibited high levels of
sociopathy, particularly in hislatter murders.
I love Ted Bundy, I just have aweird thing about sociopaths.
Courtney (07:04):
Lately I listened to a whole audiobook about one
woman's journey throughidentifying as a sociopath.
Oh God, so a very fascinatingbook, Absolutely fascinating.
Hannah (07:13):
You did share that book with me.
Courtney (07:14):
It was an audiobook so sometimes I don't count them.
You know I get weird about that.
But that makes sense.
A lot of his later victims Icould see that.
Cousin Marc (07:33):
And they also said that a lot of the sociopathic
serial killers tend to blitz,attack their victims to gain
immediate control of thesituation.
Rob (07:37):
Which Bundy did that with the Omega murders, and then the
12-year-old little girl.
Cousin Marc (07:39):
That's right, so you guys will have to share your
book recommendations with me.
Yeah, absolutely.
I'm trying to build up a serialkiller library.
Courtney (07:51):
I bet the wife loves that Makes great living room
display.
Cousin Marc (07:57):
Oh yeah, they gave Ted Bundy the psychopath test,
which you can get a possible 30points out of it, and I'm pretty
sure he came in at 28 wowsurprised.
Everything was it was eitherzero, one or two, so they'd ask
you a question, and then youhave to come up with a number as
to what you think you are, andhe came up with 28 out of 30
(08:20):
sounds like a qabfF.
Courtney (08:22):
Immediately, my brain was like I hate using those.
Hannah (08:28):
Yeah, I hate using those .
Isn't that great?
Rob (08:30):
All right, Hannah, you want to go next?
Sure.
Hannah (08:33):
Sorry, I took your turn.
No, it's fine.
I understand I can play in thesandbox.
It's fine, just don't let ithappen again.
All right, edmund Kemper'ssister tried to kill him on two
occasions.
Do you know this cousin, mark?
not yet, oh, something hedoesn't know.
All right, ever, ever.
(08:54):
Kemper survived two childhoodmurder attempts at the hands of
his sister, susan, whichsupports the theory that the
urge to kill may be hereditaryor at least linked to children
of the same parents growing upin the same damaging environment
.
She once tried to push him infront of a speeding train.
She also threw him into thedeep end of a pool, knowing he
couldn't swim.
Hmm.
Rob (09:13):
Interesting.
Cousin Marc (09:14):
When he was a kid, they used to play games of
electric chair.
They would strap him into achair and then he would convulse
like he was gettingelectrocuted.
And then there were also timeswhen they rolled him up in a rug
.
I have no idea what they weretrying to accomplish with that
one, but wow, did you know theonly serial killer who ever
successfully pleaded insanitywas Ed Gein.
Courtney (09:35):
I did actually know that one.
Rob (09:37):
I did not know that.
I don't even know who.
That is the only one.
Cousin Marc (09:40):
And then here you go, albert Fish.
He's a nasty one, yeah, a manwho claimed to have killed over
100 children and heard voicesfrom God, pleaded insanity in
1935, but he was found sane andsentenced to death.
Wow, he was the one that wentto the family to try to get
their son to come work on hisfarm as a ruse.
(10:01):
To come work on his farm as aruse.
But then when he found out theson had a friend it was either a
friend or a brother he decidedthat he couldn't overpower the
two of them.
And then Grace Budd walked inthe daughter and immediately
came up with a plan to take heraway, and he talked the family
into letting him take her and heended up killing her.
(10:22):
But the big part about thatstory was he had written a
letter to the mother explainingeverything that he did to her.
He's a wheeze.
Oh, he was a nightmare.
Hannah (10:35):
The knowledge in this man's head is incredible.
Cousin Marc (10:39):
It's just all random stuff.
I need something to kickstartthe memory.
Hannah (10:45):
So I have another part to Edward Kemper's, which Cousin
Mark probably will know.
So Edward Kemper's confessionwas taken as a joke.
Cousin Marc (10:53):
Yes, he had driven five hours into Utah, I think,
and then decided to call thepolice.
The police knew him because hehung out with him at the bar and
when he first called he saidthat he killed him.
And the guy goes ah Ed, you'rea riot.
He hung up on him.
Wow, Sorry, Hannah, go ahead.
No, you're good, You're right,he hung up on him.
Wow Sorry, hannah, go ahead.
No, you're good.
Rob (11:12):
You're good, is that what you were going to say?
Hannah (11:14):
I don't know yet I haven't read it.
Rob (11:15):
Okay, it's me.
Hannah (11:17):
I was being distracting with the dogs.
So he committed his firstmurder at age 15 his mother and
her best friend before fleeing.
Wow.
Shortly after he telephonedpolice to turn himself in,
(11:39):
confessing his crimes and sayingthat he would be happy going
about his life in prison.
They thought it was a prankcall, so he had to show up in
person to turn himself in Wow.
Courtney (11:48):
That's an interesting one.
That's an interesting situation.
Cousin Marc (11:52):
What happened was his mother couldn't handle him,
so he sent him to go live withhis father, but his father's new
wife was creeped out by himbecause he was a big guy.
I mean, he was bigger than youknow, rob Rob's, you know six
foot.
Courtney (12:09):
No, no, no no, no, don't laugh.
He usually goes to height.
He's six foot.
No, no, no, no, no, don't laugh.
Cousin Marc (12:14):
He usually goes to height.
He's six foot, rob's like sixfoot something, you know.
Whatever he weighs, and Kemperwas six, seven, three, fifty,
you know.
Hannah (12:22):
Wait, Cousin Mark, how tall are you?
Cousin Marc (12:24):
No, I'm only five, nine.
Rob (12:26):
Only five, nine.
Courtney (12:28):
I'm just a short little guy, but Wait, but your
brother's like tall, how tallare you Five, nine feels tall?
Rob (12:34):
Yeah, matt's, six, three yeah.
Hannah (12:36):
Well, wait.
So who's older?
Rob (12:38):
Mark.
Cousin Marc (12:39):
Who's older Cousin, mark, I am the oldest one out
of all the cousins.
Hannah (12:45):
And when Patrick's the youngest.
Cousin Marc (12:47):
Yes, and Patrick's the youngest Yep, that's
adorable, yeah, so all of themgirls and some of the boys are
sandwiched in between us.
Hannah (12:56):
Isn't this so interesting?
So we have had the oldestcousin and the youngest cousin
on the podcast.
Yes, yeah, yeah, that's becausethey're the coolest, obviously.
Cousin Marc (13:04):
So Kemper left his father's house and moved in with
his grandparents.
So his grandfather had boughthim a gun a 22 rifle and his
grandmother was pissed off thathe kept shooting things.
So he ended up shooting hisgrandmother.
Oh yeah, then he went outsideand waited for his grandfather
(13:26):
to come home because he was outshopping.
So what happened was he shothis grandfather because he
didn't want his grandfather togo into the house to see that
his wife was dead.
Courtney (13:36):
Oh God, sometimes the logic in people really confuses
me.
But he was 15 years old.
Yeah, he's not expected to havelogic at 15.
Cousin Marc (13:44):
No, so he calls his mother up and he says what he
did and she goes well, thenyou're going to own it.
Call the police and wait forhim.
Courtney (13:54):
That's some good parenting right there.
Cousin Marc (13:56):
Yeah, well, that woman deserved everything she
got.
Yeah, we'll have to do anepisode on Kemper.
Hannah (14:02):
He definitely seems like a fascinating guy.
Cousin Marc (14:05):
Oh, he was.
He was definitely interestingso there was a killer.
There was a serial killer duothat were called the Toolbox
Killers.
Oh, I've heard of that.
They were Roy Norris and LaurenSpittaker.
Okay, they wanted to kill onegirl of every age in the team.
Rob (14:24):
I've heard of them.
Cousin Marc (14:40):
And they also took cassette recordings of one of
the times they tortured one ofthe women.
And what happens is is that theFBI now uses that tape to train
their agents to try towithstand empathy for the
brutality of everything that wasgoing on on the recording.
Courtney (14:47):
Gosh, that's some training.
I would really love to see I'mnot being funny like the data on
how well it works because Ifeel like that would like some
people would respond really wellto that kind of training and
some people would not respondwell to that at all okay, should
I read the next one?
Hannah (15:01):
yes, yes randy craft's meticulous note-taking got him
convicted.
Hmm, interesting so he murderedoh you know this guy, I do.
I know him his own notes.
He murdered primarilyhitchhikers with military
backgrounds in the 1970s and 80s.
His killing ground spannedoregon, california and michigan.
(15:21):
In 1983 he was arrested by thecalifornia highway patrol, who
immediately spotted some fairlydamning evidence a dead body
sitting in the passenger seat.
Oh yeah, that will do in thepassenger seat, not not the.
Will do it in the passengerseat, not not the trunk, like
the other guy we talked aboutwith the no license plate.
A further investigation of thecar turned up a briefcase that
contained craft's diary full ofdetailed notes on the deaths of
(15:42):
60 people.
Courtney (15:43):
He was ultimately convicted of 16 murders wow, you
would really keep evidence ofthat many murders in one book
and then lose it.
But they were they were all.
Cousin Marc (15:52):
Hold on, let me pull them up.
They were all listed as wherehe found them.
Yeah, he was known as, I think,the scorecard killer.
Courtney (16:01):
Ooh well, that would make sense.
Cousin Marc (16:03):
Yeah, 16 to 76 victims.
Hannah (16:06):
I have more on him, Cousin Mark.
Rob (16:08):
Continue then.
Hannah (16:10):
Yeah, but I did what's that?
I have more on him.
Oh, go ahead, go Okay.
So, yeah, it does talk aboutcalling it a scorecard.
So the piece of evidence thatwas damning for him was those
journals that he claimed was aparty invite list.
So it was basically a scorecard.
He kept, seemingly, of hismurders Through a series of
codes.
Kraft kept very detailed notesabout exactly how he tortured
(16:33):
and killed as many as 61 victims, and investigators found that
43 entries lined up perfectlywith the circumstances of
specific murders.
Kraft claimed that the list wasactually a coded journal of his
sexual conquest.
Oh boy.
Then he later said it was alist of housewarming party
invites for his boyfriend.
Courtney (16:48):
Interesting.
That's out of all the thingsyou could say it's a list of
that's creative.
Cousin Marc (16:52):
Sometimes he mutilated and tortured his
victims while they were stillalive.
Courtney (16:57):
Oh, that's never a fun one to hear either.
Yummy.
Cousin Marc (17:01):
This book is awesome.
Have you gotten much through it?
What I do is is I'll bewatching something on TV and
they'll talk about someone, andthen I'll go to the book to make
sure that they're in there.
So there's two volumes of that.
I got one in hardcover, one insoftcover.
Courtney (17:18):
Oh OK, four famous serial killers became friends
behind bars.
Ok, any guesses?
Cousin Mark, you know who theyare, not yet.
All right In 1989, San QuentinState Prison in California was
the home of four captured andconvicted serial killers
Lawrence Bittaker, WilliamBittaker, William Boney.
Rob (17:41):
Bonin.
Courtney (17:42):
No, it's just B-O-N-I.
Cousin Marc (17:45):
Boney B-O-N-I-N.
William Bonin was the freewaykiller.
Courtney (17:51):
Did he misspell it?
No, no, it's a different guy.
Cousin Marc (17:56):
Now I do know all of those You're going with
Lawrence Bitteker, the toolboxkiller that I just talked about,
bonin and then Kearney.
Hannah (18:05):
My phone's up there Was it Kearney.
I was going to look it up,because if yours is spelled
differently, or maybe theymisspelled it, well, it says
it's Lawrence Bittaker, williamBoney, randy Kraft and Douglas
Clark.
Cousin Marc (18:18):
Douglas Clark.
Okay, yeah, well, she justtalked about Randy Kraft.
Courtney (18:22):
Yeah, that's probably why they connected them.
Cousin Marc (18:24):
Yeah, some of them I haven't heard of, but Lawrence
Bittaker was the one with RoyNorris with the Toolbox Killers.
Courtney (18:31):
Oh, oh, okay, Okay, yeah.
So these four guys together.
Yeah, guys formed what theycalled the San Quentin Bridge
Club.
Every day they got together andjust played cards.
Rob (18:44):
At San Quentin, yeah, which is a prison in California.
I listened to a podcast aboutSan Quentin.
It's called.
Courtney (18:51):
Ear.
Rob (18:51):
Hustle, and it takes place inside San Quentin.
It's called Ear Hustle and ittakes place inside San Quentin.
Cousin Marc (18:56):
Courtney, who was the last one you said?
Did you say Doug Clark?
Yeah, douglas Clark.
Doug Clark was known as theHollywood Slasher, the Sunset
Strip Killer and the SunsetStrip Slayer.
Courtney (19:10):
I feel like maybe we read a different trivia thing
for him one other time, becauseI recognize the.
You said that was the HollywoodKiller, the Hollywood Slasher.
Cousin Marc (19:18):
Hollywood Slasher Sounds really familiar, the
Sunset Strip Killer.
He was active from June of 80to August of 80, and he had
seven victims.
Courtney (19:28):
Wow, that is quite a lot of victims for only
approximately three months.
Cousin Marc (19:33):
Yeah, june August.
He died of natural causes after40 years on death row.
Courtney (19:39):
That's kind of ironic.
Cousin Marc (19:41):
I mean why?
Why keep him alive that long?
You're supposed to kill him?
Kill him already.
Courtney (19:46):
I guess it depends on the situation they were there
for?
Yeah the answer probablydepends.
Hannah (19:50):
So we're back to Edmund kemper.
Apparently, and uh soapparently police officers loved
him.
So when his crimes were beinginvestigated, edmund kemper
befriended detectives on thecase.
Uh, he figured out, theyfrequented a cop bar called the
jury room and became such afixture that they openly
discussed the cases with him.
Well, stupid after he turnedhimself in.
The police were shocked thatquote unquote Big Ed, all
(20:13):
friendly and jovial, was thesame person as the evil co-ed
killer, wow Huh.
Cousin Marc (20:18):
Yeah, he really hated his mother.
She was just ruthless to him.
Yeah, she made him sleep in thebasement.
Courtney (20:26):
Oh, it was a basement.
Cousin Marc (20:28):
Yeah, she made him sleep in the basement because
she was always afraid that hewas going to do something to his
sister.
Courtney (20:35):
We talked about him the last time we podcasted,
because I remember you sayingthat.
Cousin Marc (20:39):
Yeah, Kemper had an IQ of 145 and they didn't
believe it.
They retested him.
He tested higher.
Wow, he quoted.
When I see a pretty girlwalking down the street, I think
two things.
One part of me wants to takeher out, talk to her, be real
nice, sweet and treat her right.
And the other part of me wonderswhat her head would look like
(20:59):
on a stick.
Oh Wow, because that's normal.
Yikes, one of the girls that hekilled.
He made a joke about it,decapitated her and then buried
the head outside his mother'swindow, facing up at her.
He said because his motheralways liked to look down on
people.
Oh wow, that's yeah that's dark.
Hannah (21:23):
That is dark, yes, it is because, mark, I think you were
the glue that held this wholerecording together it was
definitely you.
Whatever I can do, oh my god,I'll do my best because we
recorded my episode right beforethis and it went okay it went a
lot better than this did.
Yeah, it's just I don't know,like let's record one more.
(21:46):
I'm like, let me see if cousinmark's available.
Thank you, maybe it's just afriday night thing, I don't know
I don't know all right well allright.
Courtney (21:53):
Well, I can't forget to say goodbye, because that'll
be bad.
Rob (21:55):
So thank you, cousin mark because courtney like suggests
end episodes and then rob's like, well, what the fuck am I
supposed to do for an ending?
Courtney (22:03):
and then courtney texts him back and suggests he
could just use one of the oldones we have, and he goes silent
because that's what he does,but he doesn't want everyone to
know it.
Rob (22:12):
I took a combination of your full goodbye and a little
bit of New Year's, because eventhe goodbye that you guys
recorded was like a half goodbye, because you cut Hannah off
saying goodbye, yeah.
Courtney (22:28):
So I'm too quick for the board.
Rob (22:31):
Yeah, anyways.
Courtney (22:33):
Anyways, we appreciated you coming again,
Cousin Mark.
Rob (22:36):
Oh, you know what?
Actually, before we end thisepisode, let's do a card.
All right, so let's do a card.
Anna, you want to pick a card,any card.
Hannah (22:48):
Maybe we should have Cousin Mark do it.
Cousin Marc (22:49):
Here we go, we have the Eight of Hearts.
Okay, so it is William BillZidensky Zidensky.
Hannah (22:58):
On.
Cousin Marc (22:58):
February 2nd 2018,.
The victim was found deceasedin his house at 24 Clinton
Street in Ware with multiplewounds.
Oh, oh.
If you have any info about thiscase, please call 1-855-MA-SALL
.
So he's from Ware.
Oh, if you have any info aboutthis case, please call
1-855-MASAL.
So he's from where.
Hannah (23:17):
Yeah, that's close to you Court.
Rob (23:19):
Where Massachusetts it's actually a town.
If you're not fromMassachusetts, it's W-A-R-E.
Cousin Marc (23:26):
Yes, that's from where, and I'm from where, ham.
Hannah (23:30):
Where ham See.
My mom was asking where youwere from, and I was from
Wareham, See my mom was askingwhere you were from and I was
like I know it's near where Cape.
Rob (23:36):
Cod starts.
Yeah, I always sayMiddleborough.
Cousin Marc (23:40):
I mean, it's basically over there.
Wareham is the gateway to CapeCod.
Courtney (23:44):
That's why you thought that, because he said that last
time.
Yes, yes.
Cousin Marc (23:46):
Yes, that's how I remembered.
I don't remember what I saidlast time A lot of things.
Rob (23:53):
Well, good thing it's on the record.
Cousin Marc (23:56):
That's true.
Yeah, there you go, I do knowthat if the gloves fit.
Courtney (24:06):
Cousin Mark, just when I thought.
Rob (24:08):
I liked you.
I'm not a happy.
No, yes, courtney Hannah C,courtney Hannah, cousin Mark,
thank you very much and it was apleasure being back on the
episode anytime, I'm ready to gobye y'all bye thanks for
(24:30):
listening today.
Hannah (24:31):
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co-hosted by me Courtney.
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So my mom, oh my mom, oh , my god, Courtney.
Courtney (00:03):
Wow, I don't like where this is going already.
Cousin Marc (00:06):
Oh boy Okay.
Hannah (00:19):
Hi, I'm Hannah and I'm Courtney.
Join us as we delve into truecrime, paranormal encounters and
all things spooky.
Courtney (00:26):
Grab your flashlight and get ready to wander into the
darkness with us.
This is Wicked.
Hannah (00:33):
Wanderings.
All right, everybody, we have aspecial coming for you today.
(00:54):
Hello Courtney, Hi Hannah,Hello Rob.
Rob (00:57):
Hello.
Hannah (00:58):
And hello, Cousin Mark.
Cousin Marc (01:00):
Hello everybody, in the flesh, in the virtual flesh
, in the virtual flesh, in thevirtual flesh.
Hannah (01:07):
This is a very impromptu episode, guys, but I called
Cousin Mark.
I was like hey, you busy.
Rob (01:13):
No, this was pre-planned.
What are you talking about?
Courtney (01:16):
This was a true crime version of the you up text.
Cousin Marc (01:20):
Pre-planned for you guys Surprised on me.
Courtney (01:23):
You said we could surprise you whenever.
To be fair, you did say you hada good time and we could always
offer.
Rob (01:28):
Always so, hannah?
What are we doing today?
Hannah (01:31):
Oh, we're doing trivia.
Rob (01:32):
Trivia.
Hannah (01:34):
Are we using the same trivia book?
Well, we have Cousin Markleading us today with his trivia
book, and I'm very excited forthis.
Rob (01:40):
It's actually the same trivia book we have.
Hannah (01:42):
Yes, but I don't know, have we used that one?
Rob (01:45):
Yes, we have.
Hannah (01:45):
Oh well, let's see what Cousin Mark has oh there you go.
Cousin Marc (01:48):
Yeah, so mine is what cannibal has the highest
victim count.
Hannah (01:54):
All right.
If it's not Dahmer, then Idon't know if I know.
Cousin Marc (01:57):
What it says here is while Jeffrey Dahmer is
generally considered to be theonly cannibal in the Western
world to have amassed asubstantial victim count of 17,
one Russian serial killer trumpsall when it comes to mass
cannibalism Andre Ciccolito,also known as the Butcher of
(02:17):
Rostov, was found guilty of 52murders.
Oh wow.
Courtney (02:23):
Why does that name sound familiar?
Did we read that fact?
I might have sent it to you inthe text.
Oh wow, why does that namesound familiar?
Did we read that fact?
Cousin Marc (02:26):
I might have sent it to you in the text.
Courtney (02:28):
That's true.
He does keep us well informedon our daily true crime stuff.
Cousin Marc (02:32):
Oh, I try so many involving acts of cannibalism.
Chicalito grew up in thewar-torn Russia in the 30s and
40s.
That's a thing that I'venoticed.
A lot of the serial killerswere born between 1930 and 1960.
Read them through my books.
Courtney (02:50):
That does line up a lot with what we've talked about
too, Right?
Hannah (02:53):
Yes, we noticed a lot of serial killers were coming out,
like the 60s and 70s.
There were tons.
Cousin Marc (02:57):
So he targeted a wide range of victim types
children of both genders, middleaged women and he would just
lure them in places and thentake them out.
When he was being tried incourt.
They put him in a locked cage,not because they were afraid of
(03:18):
him.
They were afraid of everybodyin the court going after him.
Courtney (03:22):
Wow Interesting.
Cousin Marc (03:25):
God, so it was more for the protection of him than
it was the protection ofeverybody else, that's
interesting.
Rob (03:33):
It's very interesting.
Courtney (03:34):
Cannibalism.
I feel like cousin Mark pickedthat on purpose, cause he knows
I don't like cannibals.
Oh you and cannibalism, andyou're smirking under all that
facial hair and blushing too.
Rob (03:53):
Cousin Mark, did you go to the website and see the
AI-generated image of you that Iused?
I did, did you like it?
I did that was pretty cool,okay.
All right, that was pretty coolOkay.
Cousin Marc (04:05):
All right, that was pretty cool.
Courtney (04:06):
How come some of us got AI generated and some of us
got our LinkedIn picture?
Rob (04:10):
Okay, do you want me to change yours?
Yes, it's my.
Courtney (04:13):
LinkedIn picture from 2012.
Rob (04:15):
Okay, it also says I'm a guest.
It says you're a guest, yeah,no way.
Yeah, no way, no, it's I'm afrequent guest.
Okay, I will update our websiteaccordingly.
Courtney (04:27):
I think I'm going to make everyone.
You don't have to upgrade mysalary.
Rob (04:29):
I'm going to All right All right, who's next?
Cousin Marc (04:34):
then?
Someone else go, I'll look forsomething else.
Rob (04:36):
Your turn.
Same book, different book.
Courtney (04:39):
Oh, different book.
Okay, that's the one that I gotat Barnes Noble Different book.
What's the name of this book?
It is Totally Terrifying.
True Crime Trivia by BrianBoone.
We have not worked our way allthe way through it yet.
The Oakland County child killergave a victim a notable last
meal.
Four children, two boys and twogirls, disappeared from Oakland
County, michigan, in 1976 and1977.
(05:01):
During a press conference, themother of one of the boys
pleaded for her child's safereturn.
She made an offhand commentabout wanting to feed him his
favorite meal, kentucky FriedChicken.
When he came home A few dayslater, all of the victim's
bodies were found and one boy'sstomach was his last meal,
kentucky Fried Chicken.
Aww, that boy's name wasTimothy King.
Cousin Marc (05:23):
Oh, wow, aww, oh.
Hannah (05:25):
Oh.
Courtney (05:28):
Is that your episode coming out?
That is a sneak peek to myepisode coming out next week.
Rob (05:32):
Oh, there you go.
All right, that sounds likeit's going to be a multi episode
.
Courtney (05:37):
Yeah, it's one of those cases that just really I
had prepped it for today andthen last night I was doing some
more research into it, justbecause I couldn't sleep.
And what else better to do thanlook up serial killers?
I know Cousin Mark gets me.
Cousin Marc (05:50):
That's what I do.
Courtney (05:51):
I found that there was actually a lot more connected
to that one case than originallyplanned, so I'd rather be able
to paint the whole picture.
So it'll probably be atwo-parter at least.
Cousin Marc (05:59):
Very nice and you did see that they found the
identification of Jack theRipper.
Rob (06:06):
Yeah, I did hear that.
Hannah (06:08):
Actually is it weird that I'm upset about it.
It kind of was this wholemystery of who Jack the Ripper
was.
It lost the allure.
Courtney (06:16):
The allure, the allure .
Rob (06:18):
Really yes.
Cousin Marc (06:20):
Huh Something should be a mystery, yeah Huh,
something should be a mystery,yeah.
So Jack the Ripper was one ofthe first serial killers to
capture.
The public imagination wasconsidered to be disorganized
and a sociopath.
Hannah (06:35):
Hmm, he had to be Polish right, was that?
Cousin Marc (06:37):
what?
Yeah?
Yeah, he was a Polish barber.
Hannah (06:40):
Which kind of like, if anyone's seen.
Rob (06:43):
Sweeney Todd.
Hannah (06:44):
Sweeney Todd, thank you yeah seen Sweeney Todd.
Cousin Marc (06:46):
Sweeney Todd, thank you, yeah, I love Sweeney Todd.
All right, here we go, here wego.
Hannah.
Oh boy, ted Bundy, generallyconsidered to be the gold
standard of psychopaths,exhibited high levels of
sociopathy, particularly in hislatter murders.
I love Ted Bundy, I just have aweird thing about sociopaths.
Courtney (07:04):
Lately I listened to a whole audiobook about one
woman's journey throughidentifying as a sociopath.
Oh God, so a very fascinatingbook, Absolutely fascinating.
Hannah (07:13):
You did share that book with me.
Courtney (07:14):
It was an audiobook so sometimes I don't count them.
You know I get weird about that.
But that makes sense.
A lot of his later victims Icould see that.
Cousin Marc (07:33):
And they also said that a lot of the sociopathic
serial killers tend to blitz,attack their victims to gain
immediate control of thesituation.
Rob (07:37):
Which Bundy did that with the Omega murders, and then the
12-year-old little girl.
Cousin Marc (07:39):
That's right, so you guys will have to share your
book recommendations with me.
Yeah, absolutely.
I'm trying to build up a serialkiller library.
Courtney (07:51):
I bet the wife loves that Makes great living room
display.
Cousin Marc (07:57):
Oh yeah, they gave Ted Bundy the psychopath test,
which you can get a possible 30points out of it, and I'm pretty
sure he came in at 28 wowsurprised.
Everything was it was eitherzero, one or two, so they'd ask
you a question, and then youhave to come up with a number as
to what you think you are, andhe came up with 28 out of 30
(08:20):
sounds like a qabfF.
Courtney (08:22):
Immediately, my brain was like I hate using those.
Hannah (08:28):
Yeah, I hate using those .
Isn't that great?
Rob (08:30):
All right, Hannah, you want to go next?
Sure.
Hannah (08:33):
Sorry, I took your turn.
No, it's fine.
I understand I can play in thesandbox.
It's fine, just don't let ithappen again.
All right, edmund Kemper'ssister tried to kill him on two
occasions.
Do you know this cousin, mark?
not yet, oh, something hedoesn't know.
All right, ever, ever.
(08:54):
Kemper survived two childhoodmurder attempts at the hands of
his sister, susan, whichsupports the theory that the
urge to kill may be hereditaryor at least linked to children
of the same parents growing upin the same damaging environment
.
She once tried to push him infront of a speeding train.
She also threw him into thedeep end of a pool, knowing he
couldn't swim.
Hmm.
Rob (09:13):
Interesting.
Cousin Marc (09:14):
When he was a kid, they used to play games of
electric chair.
They would strap him into achair and then he would convulse
like he was gettingelectrocuted.
And then there were also timeswhen they rolled him up in a rug
.
I have no idea what they weretrying to accomplish with that
one, but wow, did you know theonly serial killer who ever
successfully pleaded insanitywas Ed Gein.
Courtney (09:35):
I did actually know that one.
Rob (09:37):
I did not know that.
I don't even know who.
That is the only one.
Cousin Marc (09:40):
And then here you go, albert Fish.
He's a nasty one, yeah, a manwho claimed to have killed over
100 children and heard voicesfrom God, pleaded insanity in
1935, but he was found sane andsentenced to death.
Wow, he was the one that wentto the family to try to get
their son to come work on hisfarm as a ruse.
(10:01):
To come work on his farm as aruse.
But then when he found out theson had a friend it was either a
friend or a brother he decidedthat he couldn't overpower the
two of them.
And then Grace Budd walked inthe daughter and immediately
came up with a plan to take heraway, and he talked the family
into letting him take her and heended up killing her.
(10:22):
But the big part about thatstory was he had written a
letter to the mother explainingeverything that he did to her.
He's a wheeze.
Oh, he was a nightmare.
Hannah (10:35):
The knowledge in this man's head is incredible.
Cousin Marc (10:39):
It's just all random stuff.
I need something to kickstartthe memory.
Hannah (10:45):
So I have another part to Edward Kemper's, which Cousin
Mark probably will know.
So Edward Kemper's confessionwas taken as a joke.
Cousin Marc (10:53):
Yes, he had driven five hours into Utah, I think,
and then decided to call thepolice.
The police knew him because hehung out with him at the bar and
when he first called he saidthat he killed him.
And the guy goes ah Ed, you'rea riot.
He hung up on him.
Wow, Sorry, Hannah, go ahead.
No, you're good, You're right,he hung up on him.
Wow Sorry, hannah, go ahead.
No, you're good.
Rob (11:12):
You're good, is that what you were going to say?
Hannah (11:14):
I don't know yet I haven't read it.
Rob (11:15):
Okay, it's me.
Hannah (11:17):
I was being distracting with the dogs.
So he committed his firstmurder at age 15 his mother and
her best friend before fleeing.
Wow.
Shortly after he telephonedpolice to turn himself in,
(11:39):
confessing his crimes and sayingthat he would be happy going
about his life in prison.
They thought it was a prankcall, so he had to show up in
person to turn himself in Wow.
Courtney (11:48):
That's an interesting one.
That's an interesting situation.
Cousin Marc (11:52):
What happened was his mother couldn't handle him,
so he sent him to go live withhis father, but his father's new
wife was creeped out by himbecause he was a big guy.
I mean, he was bigger than youknow, rob Rob's, you know six
foot.
Courtney (12:09):
No, no, no no, no, don't laugh.
He usually goes to height.
He's six foot.
No, no, no, no, no, don't laugh.
Cousin Marc (12:14):
He usually goes to height.
He's six foot, rob's like sixfoot something, you know.
Whatever he weighs, and Kemperwas six, seven, three, fifty,
you know.
Hannah (12:22):
Wait, Cousin Mark, how tall are you?
Cousin Marc (12:24):
No, I'm only five, nine.
Rob (12:26):
Only five, nine.
Courtney (12:28):
I'm just a short little guy, but Wait, but your
brother's like tall, how tallare you Five, nine feels tall?
Rob (12:34):
Yeah, matt's, six, three yeah.
Hannah (12:36):
Well, wait.
So who's older?
Rob (12:38):
Mark.
Cousin Marc (12:39):
Who's older Cousin, mark, I am the oldest one out
of all the cousins.
Hannah (12:45):
And when Patrick's the youngest.
Cousin Marc (12:47):
Yes, and Patrick's the youngest Yep, that's
adorable, yeah, so all of themgirls and some of the boys are
sandwiched in between us.
Hannah (12:56):
Isn't this so interesting?
So we have had the oldestcousin and the youngest cousin
on the podcast.
Yes, yeah, yeah, that's becausethey're the coolest, obviously.
Cousin Marc (13:04):
So Kemper left his father's house and moved in with
his grandparents.
So his grandfather had boughthim a gun a 22 rifle and his
grandmother was pissed off thathe kept shooting things.
So he ended up shooting hisgrandmother.
Oh yeah, then he went outsideand waited for his grandfather
(13:26):
to come home because he was outshopping.
So what happened was he shothis grandfather because he
didn't want his grandfather togo into the house to see that
his wife was dead.
Courtney (13:36):
Oh God, sometimes the logic in people really confuses
me.
But he was 15 years old.
Yeah, he's not expected to havelogic at 15.
Cousin Marc (13:44):
No, so he calls his mother up and he says what he
did and she goes well, thenyou're going to own it.
Call the police and wait forhim.
Courtney (13:54):
That's some good parenting right there.
Cousin Marc (13:56):
Yeah, well, that woman deserved everything she
got.
Yeah, we'll have to do anepisode on Kemper.
Hannah (14:02):
He definitely seems like a fascinating guy.
Cousin Marc (14:05):
Oh, he was.
He was definitely interestingso there was a killer.
There was a serial killer duothat were called the Toolbox
Killers.
Oh, I've heard of that.
They were Roy Norris and LaurenSpittaker.
Okay, they wanted to kill onegirl of every age in the team.
Rob (14:24):
I've heard of them.
Cousin Marc (14:40):
And they also took cassette recordings of one of
the times they tortured one ofthe women.
And what happens is is that theFBI now uses that tape to train
their agents to try towithstand empathy for the
brutality of everything that wasgoing on on the recording.
Courtney (14:47):
Gosh, that's some training.
I would really love to see I'mnot being funny like the data on
how well it works because Ifeel like that would like some
people would respond really wellto that kind of training and
some people would not respondwell to that at all okay, should
I read the next one?
Hannah (15:01):
yes, yes randy craft's meticulous note-taking got him
convicted.
Hmm, interesting so he murderedoh you know this guy, I do.
I know him his own notes.
He murdered primarilyhitchhikers with military
backgrounds in the 1970s and 80s.
His killing ground spannedoregon, california and michigan.
(15:21):
In 1983 he was arrested by thecalifornia highway patrol, who
immediately spotted some fairlydamning evidence a dead body
sitting in the passenger seat.
Oh yeah, that will do in thepassenger seat, not not the.
Will do it in the passengerseat, not not the trunk, like
the other guy we talked aboutwith the no license plate.
A further investigation of thecar turned up a briefcase that
contained craft's diary full ofdetailed notes on the deaths of
(15:42):
60 people.
Courtney (15:43):
He was ultimately convicted of 16 murders wow, you
would really keep evidence ofthat many murders in one book
and then lose it.
But they were they were all.
Cousin Marc (15:52):
Hold on, let me pull them up.
They were all listed as wherehe found them.
Yeah, he was known as, I think,the scorecard killer.
Courtney (16:01):
Ooh well, that would make sense.
Cousin Marc (16:03):
Yeah, 16 to 76 victims.
Hannah (16:06):
I have more on him, Cousin Mark.
Rob (16:08):
Continue then.
Hannah (16:10):
Yeah, but I did what's that?
I have more on him.
Oh, go ahead, go Okay.
So, yeah, it does talk aboutcalling it a scorecard.
So the piece of evidence thatwas damning for him was those
journals that he claimed was aparty invite list.
So it was basically a scorecard.
He kept, seemingly, of hismurders Through a series of
codes.
Kraft kept very detailed notesabout exactly how he tortured
(16:33):
and killed as many as 61 victims, and investigators found that
43 entries lined up perfectlywith the circumstances of
specific murders.
Kraft claimed that the list wasactually a coded journal of his
sexual conquest.
Oh boy.
Then he later said it was alist of housewarming party
invites for his boyfriend.
Courtney (16:48):
Interesting.
That's out of all the thingsyou could say it's a list of
that's creative.
Cousin Marc (16:52):
Sometimes he mutilated and tortured his
victims while they were stillalive.
Courtney (16:57):
Oh, that's never a fun one to hear either.
Yummy.
Cousin Marc (17:01):
This book is awesome.
Have you gotten much through it?
What I do is is I'll bewatching something on TV and
they'll talk about someone, andthen I'll go to the book to make
sure that they're in there.
So there's two volumes of that.
I got one in hardcover, one insoftcover.
Courtney (17:18):
Oh OK, four famous serial killers became friends
behind bars.
Ok, any guesses?
Cousin Mark, you know who theyare, not yet.
All right In 1989, San QuentinState Prison in California was
the home of four captured andconvicted serial killers
Lawrence Bittaker, WilliamBittaker, William Boney.
Rob (17:41):
Bonin.
Courtney (17:42):
No, it's just B-O-N-I.
Cousin Marc (17:45):
Boney B-O-N-I-N.
William Bonin was the freewaykiller.
Courtney (17:51):
Did he misspell it?
No, no, it's a different guy.
Cousin Marc (17:56):
Now I do know all of those You're going with
Lawrence Bitteker, the toolboxkiller that I just talked about,
bonin and then Kearney.
Hannah (18:05):
My phone's up there Was it Kearney.
I was going to look it up,because if yours is spelled
differently, or maybe theymisspelled it, well, it says
it's Lawrence Bittaker, williamBoney, randy Kraft and Douglas
Clark.
Cousin Marc (18:18):
Douglas Clark.
Okay, yeah, well, she justtalked about Randy Kraft.
Courtney (18:22):
Yeah, that's probably why they connected them.
Cousin Marc (18:24):
Yeah, some of them I haven't heard of, but Lawrence
Bittaker was the one with RoyNorris with the Toolbox Killers.
Courtney (18:31):
Oh, oh, okay, Okay, yeah.
So these four guys together.
Yeah, guys formed what theycalled the San Quentin Bridge
Club.
Every day they got together andjust played cards.
Rob (18:44):
At San Quentin, yeah, which is a prison in California.
I listened to a podcast aboutSan Quentin.
It's called.
Courtney (18:51):
Ear.
Rob (18:51):
Hustle, and it takes place inside San Quentin.
It's called Ear Hustle and ittakes place inside San Quentin.
Cousin Marc (18:56):
Courtney, who was the last one you said?
Did you say Doug Clark?
Yeah, douglas Clark.
Doug Clark was known as theHollywood Slasher, the Sunset
Strip Killer and the SunsetStrip Slayer.
Courtney (19:10):
I feel like maybe we read a different trivia thing
for him one other time, becauseI recognize the.
You said that was the HollywoodKiller, the Hollywood Slasher.
Cousin Marc (19:18):
Hollywood Slasher Sounds really familiar, the
Sunset Strip Killer.
He was active from June of 80to August of 80, and he had
seven victims.
Courtney (19:28):
Wow, that is quite a lot of victims for only
approximately three months.
Cousin Marc (19:33):
Yeah, june August.
He died of natural causes after40 years on death row.
Courtney (19:39):
That's kind of ironic.
Cousin Marc (19:41):
I mean why?
Why keep him alive that long?
You're supposed to kill him?
Kill him already.
Courtney (19:46):
I guess it depends on the situation they were there
for?
Yeah the answer probablydepends.
Hannah (19:50):
So we're back to Edmund kemper.
Apparently, and uh soapparently police officers loved
him.
So when his crimes were beinginvestigated, edmund kemper
befriended detectives on thecase.
Uh, he figured out, theyfrequented a cop bar called the
jury room and became such afixture that they openly
discussed the cases with him.
Well, stupid after he turnedhimself in.
The police were shocked thatquote unquote Big Ed, all
(20:13):
friendly and jovial, was thesame person as the evil co-ed
killer, wow Huh.
Cousin Marc (20:18):
Yeah, he really hated his mother.
She was just ruthless to him.
Yeah, she made him sleep in thebasement.
Courtney (20:26):
Oh, it was a basement.
Cousin Marc (20:28):
Yeah, she made him sleep in the basement because
she was always afraid that hewas going to do something to his
sister.
Courtney (20:35):
We talked about him the last time we podcasted,
because I remember you sayingthat.
Cousin Marc (20:39):
Yeah, Kemper had an IQ of 145 and they didn't
believe it.
They retested him.
He tested higher.
Wow, he quoted.
When I see a pretty girlwalking down the street, I think
two things.
One part of me wants to takeher out, talk to her, be real
nice, sweet and treat her right.
And the other part of me wonderswhat her head would look like
(20:59):
on a stick.
Oh Wow, because that's normal.
Yikes, one of the girls that hekilled.
He made a joke about it,decapitated her and then buried
the head outside his mother'swindow, facing up at her.
He said because his motheralways liked to look down on
people.
Oh wow, that's yeah that's dark.
Hannah (21:23):
That is dark, yes, it is because, mark, I think you were
the glue that held this wholerecording together it was
definitely you.
Whatever I can do, oh my god,I'll do my best because we
recorded my episode right beforethis and it went okay it went a
lot better than this did.
Yeah, it's just I don't know,like let's record one more.
(21:46):
I'm like, let me see if cousinmark's available.
Thank you, maybe it's just afriday night thing, I don't know
I don't know all right well allright.
Courtney (21:53):
Well, I can't forget to say goodbye, because that'll
be bad.
Rob (21:55):
So thank you, cousin mark because courtney like suggests
end episodes and then rob's like, well, what the fuck am I
supposed to do for an ending?
Courtney (22:03):
and then courtney texts him back and suggests he
could just use one of the oldones we have, and he goes silent
because that's what he does,but he doesn't want everyone to
know it.
Rob (22:12):
I took a combination of your full goodbye and a little
bit of New Year's, because eventhe goodbye that you guys
recorded was like a half goodbye, because you cut Hannah off
saying goodbye, yeah.
Courtney (22:28):
So I'm too quick for the board.
Rob (22:31):
Yeah, anyways.
Courtney (22:33):
Anyways, we appreciated you coming again,
Cousin Mark.
Rob (22:36):
Oh, you know what?
Actually, before we end thisepisode, let's do a card.
All right, so let's do a card.
Anna, you want to pick a card,any card.
Hannah (22:48):
Maybe we should have Cousin Mark do it.
Cousin Marc (22:49):
Here we go, we have the Eight of Hearts.
Okay, so it is William BillZidensky Zidensky.
Hannah (22:58):
On.
Cousin Marc (22:58):
February 2nd 2018,.
The victim was found deceasedin his house at 24 Clinton
Street in Ware with multiplewounds.
Oh, oh.
If you have any info about thiscase, please call 1-855-MA-SALL
.
So he's from Ware.
Oh, if you have any info aboutthis case, please call
1-855-MASAL.
So he's from where.
Hannah (23:17):
Yeah, that's close to you Court.
Rob (23:19):
Where Massachusetts it's actually a town.
If you're not fromMassachusetts, it's W-A-R-E.
Cousin Marc (23:26):
Yes, that's from where, and I'm from where, ham.
Hannah (23:30):
Where ham See.
My mom was asking where youwere from, and I was from
Wareham, See my mom was askingwhere you were from and I was
like I know it's near where Cape.
Rob (23:36):
Cod starts.
Yeah, I always sayMiddleborough.
Cousin Marc (23:40):
I mean, it's basically over there.
Wareham is the gateway to CapeCod.
Courtney (23:44):
That's why you thought that, because he said that last
time.
Yes, yes.
Cousin Marc (23:46):
Yes, that's how I remembered.
I don't remember what I saidlast time A lot of things.
Rob (23:53):
Well, good thing it's on the record.
Cousin Marc (23:56):
That's true.
Yeah, there you go, I do knowthat if the gloves fit.
Courtney (24:06):
Cousin Mark, just when I thought.
Rob (24:08):
I liked you.
I'm not a happy.
No, yes, courtney Hannah C,courtney Hannah, cousin Mark,
thank you very much and it was apleasure being back on the
episode anytime, I'm ready to gobye y'all bye thanks for
(24:30):
listening today.
Hannah (24:31):
Wicked Wanderings is hosted by me Hannah and
co-hosted by me Courtney.
Rob (24:35):
And it's produced by Rob Fitzpatrick.
Hannah (24:38):
Music by Sasha N.
If you enjoyed today's episode,don't forget to leave a rating
and review and be sure to followon all socials.
You can find the links down inthe show notes.
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We appreciate every one of you.
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