With Chinese Characteristics

With Chinese Characteristics

A podcast where Natalie and Cherrie discuss Chinese history and stuff.We think we're funny but we're probably not.Episodes every other Sunday

Episodes

February 15, 2025 108 mins

In the 19th century, an unlikely international initiative took place. Despite the Qing government's reputation for conservatism and isolationist policies, it actually sponsored a group of 120 Chinese boys to study in the United States. This is the story of the Chinese Education Mission (CEM). An ambitious experiment— it built a short lived but very real bridge between two very different worlds. It was a story of political ambi...

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We explore crimes and scams in the late ming dynasty with the excellently translated Book of Swindles.

https://cup.columbia.edu/book/the-book-of-swindles/9780231178631

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We finally meet everyone's favorite guy (Song Jiang), and learn about song dynasty interrogation techniques. 

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This episode delves into Chinese stamps/seals/chops (印章), exploring the origins, ritualization, and various cultural conventions associated with this ancient practice.

Given their existence predating the invention of paper in China, what surfaces did ancient Chinese court officials typically stamp upon? Did different dynasties enforce distinct rules regarding stamps? Was the loss of an emperor's jade seals believed to sign...

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In this episode we discuss the Qing Dynasty's 'Self Strengthening Movement' of roughly 1861-1890. 

Recognizing the superiority of european weapons, technology, and scientific knowledge, the Qing Dynasty attempted to adopt and integrate them into an otherwise unchanged Confucian bureaucracy.  

Ambitious Westerners flocked to the country, lured by Qing silver, and with the support of towering Chi...

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Hello everyone. More water margin.

Zhang Yhi has to make life changes, and we learn how to motivate your police inspectors. 

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In this episode we get to the long awaited robbery of the birthday gifts (worth 100,000 strings of cash).

Will our 7 (or 8) brave heroes succeed?

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Hello Everyone! 

The exciting conclusion to our yellow river discussions. In this episode we discuss the near century where active management of the river was abandoned in the late Qing Dynasty, and the Communist party's attempts to return it to order.

We also touch on modern PRC water management techniques, which often involve redirecting water from more affluent areas to less politically sensitive ones.

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The plot thickens as Wu Yong seeks out the three Ruan brothers to join the dream team to rob the birthday treasure caravan worth a hundred thousand strings of cash. Could he persuade the three gallant men using this sleek tongue? In this episode, we also meet a real wizard named "Dragon in the Clouds". These 7 (or 8) men are being brought together by fate. In this episode we discuss (more!) Chinese social etiquette, how a...

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Hello it's Ch 14 and a plot is starting to heat up.

Can our unlikely heroes find 7 (or 8) bold men to help them steal an entire year's worth of bribe money?! 

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Hello everyone. It's chapter 13. 

In this episode we discuss the specifics of Chinese nepotism, and how military command works in the Song Dynasty. 

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Our story continues on with a new main character, Yang Zhi.

Learn about grotesque rocks, how to bribe people in Song Dynasty China, and why its so dangerous to sell your sword. 

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In Episode 11 of water margin we discuss Lin Chong's continued fall from grace, the dangers of failed scholars, and why all the bad boys in the Song Dynasty are eating beef.

Article Mentioned:
"Beefy Outlaws: Beef Consumption in Water Margin and Its Song-Yuan Antecedents"https://brill.com/view/journals/joch/7/3/article-p342_6.xml?language=en

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This is a special episode from Cherrie and Natalie's travels. Tune in to find out why we highly recommend you make a trip to Kinmen Island (and Taiwan!). In this episode we talked about Kinmen's history, culture and politices.

Check out our episode about Kinmen Kaoliang Liquor (金门高粱酒): Baijiu: The World's Favorite Spirit 白酒历史谈

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In this episode Lin Chong gets really mad (and drunk). 

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The Grand Canal, a waterway system that travels vast regions of China is famous today as a UNESCO world heritage site. In this episode we discuss its complicated history. Why build a canal? What was the labor cost - measured in countless lives - that built an emperor's vision? Does the UNESCO World Heritage Convention transcends cultural nationalism or reinforce it? Tune in to this first episode about the Grand Canal and its h...

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Hello It's Chapter 9!!!

Lin Chong continues his journey and we meet Tough Guy enthusiast and sponsor, Chai Jin.

We also talk in great, exhaustive detail, on the cultural significance of griddle cakes, and special soups. 

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In this episode we talk about the "high reward / high risk" stage of Imperial Chinese hydraulic management during the Late Ming to late Qing dynasties. 

Vast amounts of money, material, and expertise were poured into keeping the yellow river forced into a narrow, rapid channel. These efforts allowed the entire vast Chinese canal and irrigation system to function (including the grand canal), but at the price of co...

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In this short chapter we deal with the sentencing of Lin Chong after he is framed by Gao Qiu.

Despite the best intentions of the local Magistrate, personal power and political connections is always greater than the law in imperial China.

We also discuss the finer points of Imperial chinese punishments. 

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Lin Chong enters the scene, and we also we learn one of the great struggles facing tough dudes in the Northern Song Dynasty, having a hot wife and a lecherous boss.

Also discussed: 
Sworn Brotherhood
Crows
Schemes
Strange men selling swords in an offer to frame you in an elaborate conspiracy.

As mentioned here is the paper referenced in the episode:
https://pages.ucsd.edu/~dkjordan/scriptorium/...

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