The Inclusive AF Podcast

The Inclusive AF Podcast

Welcome to the Inclusive AF Podcast, your go-to destination for all things DEI, HR, and workplace inclusivity. Hosted by two BFFs with a combined decades of experience in the people space, Katee Van Horn and Jackye Clayton, this podcast is where candid conversations meet insightful, actionable strategies. Together, they dive deep into the complex (and often messy) world of Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion, exploring how to build workplaces that are not just diverse, but truly inclusive. Katee is a dynamic Chief People Officer and DEI thought leader at WebPros, dedicated to shaping inclusive corporate cultures that empower underrepresented groups. With expertise in global HR strategy, leadership development, and talent management, Katee brings a wealth of knowledge—and a sense of humor—to every episode. Jackye, a seasoned HR tech and DEI professional, has spent over 15 years driving transformative change in the workplace. A connector at heart, she blends innovation, empathy, and data to craft inclusive work environments that thrive on diverse perspectives. Whether discussing the latest HR trends or sharing stories of workplace triumphs and struggles, Jackye’s unique approach adds a bold, refreshing take to the conversation. Together, Katee and Jackye have built a podcast that is as insightful as it is entertaining, with their signature banter and lighthearted humor making complex topics feel accessible and fun. Expect a mix of practical advice, personal stories, and monthly guest appearances from industry leaders and change-makers. Whether you're an HR professional, a DEI champion, or simply someone passionate about creating better workplaces, Inclusive AF is the podcast that’ll inspire, challenge, and make you laugh. Tune in weekly for a fresh take on creating workplaces where everyone can show up as their true, authentic selves.

Episodes

October 27, 2025 51 mins
Welcome to another thought-provoking episode of the Inclusive AF Podcast with hosts Jackye Clayton and Katee Van Horn! In this episode, we’re thrilled to welcome inclusion strategist and author Ruchika T. Malhotra, who dives deep into her groundbreaking books, including "Inclusion on Purpose" and her latest work, "Uncompete." Ruchika shares powerful insights into why competition isn’t always the answer—challenging the status quo a...
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🔥 NEW EPISODE ALERT! 🔥 Welcome to another unapologetically real episode of the Inclusive AF Podcast with your hosts Jackye Clayton and Katee Van Horn! This time, they’re joined by Desiree Goldey and Ashley King, powerhouse co-hosts of the Talentless podcast, for a candid, thought-provoking discussion about the state of work, HR, and social justice. Get ready as they break down: - Why HR and Talent Acquisition are the true econo...
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Ready to transform your HR strategy for the future of work? In this episode of The Inclusive AF Podcast, host Katee Van Horn sits down with Sophia Whelan and Sarah Smart, co-founders of Horizon Human, for an honest, insightful discussion about the evolving landscape of HR and Talent Acquisition in the age of AI. Sophia and Sarah bring their expertise from top global organizations to break down how HR can drive trust, equity, and i...
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🎸 How can we make EVERYONE feel seen at work—while actually driving retention and business results? On this episode of The Inclusive AF Podcast, Katee Van Horn sits down with the dynamic Curtis Forbes (he/him)—former jazz musician, serial entrepreneur, and founder of Mustard Hub—to jam about transforming workplace culture, recognition, and DEI through tech. Curtis shares his unique journey from the jazz stage to launching an AI-p...
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Ready for a fresh, honest take on workplace inclusion and leadership? In this episode of The Inclusive AF Podcast, hosts Jackye Clayton and Katee Van Horn are joined by Dr. Carol Parker Walsh, an expert in organizational culture and psychological safety. They dive deep into what’s really going on in today’s workplaces: layoffs in DEI, the pressures of AI, burned-out leaders, and the ever-changing expectations for managers. Whether...
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Ready for a refreshingly REAL conversation about diversity, equity, and inclusion? In this episode of The Inclusive AF Podcast, hosts Jackye Clayton and Katee Van Horn turn up the fun with a rapid-fire “Would You Rather: DEI Edition” game! They tackle everything from DEI budgets vs. CEO support, to potlucks vs. unlimited PTO, dealing with microaggressions, navigating DEI strategy in the workplace, and even imagining Beyoncé or Liz...
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Welcome to another episode of The Inclusive AF Podcast with your hosts Jackye Clayton and Katee Van Horn! In this insightful and candid conversation, we welcome back Eric M. Bailey—author of "The Cure for Stupidity"—to dig deep into the ever-evolving world of diversity, equity, inclusion, and belonging (DEIB) at work. Things are shifting fast: DEI language is being weaponized, organizations are changing their approach (or just cha...
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Welcome to another powerful episode of the Inclusive AF Podcast with Jackye Clayton and Katee Van Horn! 🎙️ In this episode, Jackye and Katee dive deep into the impact of the recent rollback of Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) initiatives within the Department of Veterans Affairs. Discover how these changes are affecting marginalized veterans and active duty personnel, the removal of critical healthcare services (like gender...
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Welcome to the Inclusive AF Podcast! In our most recent episode, hosts Jackye Clayton and Katee Van Horn get real about what's happening in workplaces and in the world right now. From HR ethics scandals and employee morale drops to the impact of DEIB cuts and the increasing role of AI at work, we dive deep into the stories making headlines—and the ones that should be. We talk about: - Why recent public scandals (think high-profile...
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Ready for some real talk on navigating job pivots, protecting your mental health, and finding your purpose—especially when it feels like the world is upside down? Join hosts Katee Van Horn and Jackye Clayton for another empowering episode of The Inclusive AF Podcast! 🎙️ This week, returning guest Lindiwe Davis (aka The Couch Coach) is back to dish on: - How to stay the course in your career—even when the path twists and turns - S...
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🎙️ Welcome to The Inclusive AF Podcast! In this must-listen episode, hosts Jackye Clayton and Katee Van Horn dive into one of the hottest and most pressing topics in HR: AI Bias in Recruiting—especially focusing on the landmark Mobley vs. Workday lawsuit. With over 1.1 BILLION applications potentially impacted, what does this mean for your organization and your hiring practices? We break down: - The real risks of bias in AI-power...
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Ready to explore what real inclusion and well-being look like—especially for those doing the heavy lifting on the frontlines of change? On this episode of the Inclusive AF Podcast, hosts Katee Van Horn and Jackye Clayton are joined by Dr. Rebecca Eldridge, a licensed psychologist with 20+ years of expertise in multicultural issues and organizational well-being. Together, they dig into the often-overlooked toll of fighting for equi...
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🔥 Welcome to Episode 153 of The Inclusive AF Podcast! 🔥 This week, hosts Katee Van Horn and Jackye Clayton dive deep into the truths about undocumented workers in the U.S.—and the myths, misinformation, and politicized narratives surrounding them. Did you know undocumented immigrants contribute nearly $97 BILLION in taxes and have $299 BILLION in spending power? We break down the real numbers, the industries that rely on immigra...
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🎙️ Welcome to Episode 152 of The Inclusive AF Podcast! 🎙️ In this thought-provoking episode, hosts Jackye Clayton (VP of Talent Acquisition and DEIB) and Katee Van Horn dive deep into the current political climate and its direct impact on diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) initiatives—particularly focusing on law firms' responses to new administrative actions and EEOC investigations. They break down: - What recent governmen...
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Step into one of the most jaw-dropping conversations of the year! In Episode 151 of The Inclusive AF Podcast, Jackye Clayton and Katee Van Horn break down the shocking real-life consequences of the 2025 use of the Alien Enemies Act—a law from 1798 that’s suddenly front-page news. What does it mean when centuries-old laws are used against modern-day migrants? Why are Venezuelan asylum seekers being sent to a notorious prison in El S...
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Radical Self-Care for Black Women: Why Rest is a Necessity, Not a Luxury | Inclusive AF Podcast Ep. 150 In episode 150 of The Inclusive AF Podcast, hosts Katee Van Horn and Jackye Clayton dive into a raw and powerful discussion that’s long overdue: Black women’s exhaustion and why radical self-care isn’t just a trendy buzzword—it’s an act of resistance and survival. Drawing insights from must-read articles and thinkers like The Ro...
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🌈 Welcome to Episode #149 of The Inclusive AF Podcast! 🌈 This week, hosts Jackye Clayton and Katee Van Horn sit down with Nico Santos (he/him), a passionate DEI strategist, communicator, and advocate for organ donation and health equity. Nico shares his inspiring journey from broadcast journalism to leading inclusive change at the Donor Network of Arizona. Together, they dig deep into why representation matters in healthcare, th...
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🌈 Welcome to Episode 148 of The Inclusive AF Podcast! 🌈 Join hosts Jackye Clayton and Katee Van Horn as they tackle an urgent and serious topic that affects us all: the relentless political and policy actions targeting our transgender community. With their unapologetically inclusive, passionate, and sometimes humorous style, Jackye and Katee dive deep into the effects of these harmful policies on trans folks today, how misinform...
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In this engaging episode of The Inclusive AF Podcast, hosts Katee Van Horn and Jackye Clayton delve into the significant impact of recent executive orders on Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) across various sectors. Join them as they discuss the complexities and challenges surrounding these changes, including the effects on ERGs, the role of federal contracts, and the broader implications for organizations and employees alike....
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🌟 Dive into Episode 146 of The Inclusive AF Podcast 🌟 Join us as we sit down with Scott Curran, a corporate attorney and CEO of Beyond Advisors, who is reshaping the landscape of social impact, law, and DEI. Explore how Scott's unique career journey across corporate law, nonprofit leadership, and consulting equips organizations to make a more significant impact. In this insightful conversation, we unpack: ✔️ The importance of f...
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