In the Church Library
Join Kelsey Kramer McGinnis and Marissa Franks Burt for conversation around popular Christian resources found in church libraries. The first season focuses on parenting books Kelsey and Marissa read as they wrote their forthcoming book The Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families.
Episodes
Join Marissa and Andrew Remington Rillera in the church library for today's bonus episode discussing Andrew's book Lamb of the Free: Recovering the Varied Sacrificial Understandings of Jesus's Death, his insight into the sacrificial system of the Torah, and the implications this has for our theories about atonement and family life.
Things mentioned in the episode:
-Andrew's article on Ephesians 2
-Je...
Join Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library as they answer your questions. In this final episode for S1, they answer:
12:52 Q: Could you describe the survey process you used?
22:44 Q: Where on the theological/denominational spectrum do most of these resources fall? What about your book? What about your biases?
36:25 Q: Can you speak to the parallels between authoritarian parenting and penal...
Join Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library to discuss Nancy and Colin Campbell's Above Rubies ministries, as well as some of their resources—The Power of Motherhood and Be Fruitful and Multiply—and their connection to CCM's Newsboys.
Mentioned in the episode: Orphan Fever: The Evangelical Movement's Adoption Obsession, by: Kathryn Joyce
You can connect with Kelsey and Mariss...
Join Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library for a conversation with Tia Levings, author of the best-selling memoir A Well-Trained Wife: My Escape from Christian Patriarchy.
Connect with Tia online: Facebook, Instagram, Threads, Substack
You can connect with Kelsey and Marissa on social media:
Marissa: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, YouTube, Facebook
Kelsey: W...
Content Warning: This episode contains discussion of child mistreatment, abuse, and death.
Join Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library to discuss the book To Train Up A Child, by: Michael and Debi Pearl.
You can connect with Kelsey and Marissa on social media:
Marissa: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, YouTube, Facebook
Join Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library for a conversation with Sunita Theiss to discuss neurodiversity in faith communities and families
Connect with Sunita online: Instagram, LinkedIn, Substack
Mentioned in the conversation:
--Use code LIBRARY for a discount for her upcoming workshop and Q&A: Parenting PDA Children with Grace & Hope: A Christian Perspective on Understanding, S...
Join Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library to discuss the book Parenting: 14 Gospel Principles That Can Radically Change Your Family, by: Paul David Tripp.
You can connect with Kelsey and Marissa on social media:
Marissa: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, YouTube, Facebook
Kelsey: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, Facebook
And Pre...
Join Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library for a conversation with Pieter Valk of Equip Ministries to discuss James Dobson's Bringing Up Boys, masculinity, and the implications of popular Christian parenting teaching for LGBT+ people.
Connect with Pieter online: Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter
Mentioned in our conversation: Equip's Parent Course
You can connect with Kelsey a...
Join Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library to discuss the Growing Kids God's Way parenting empire. In Part 2, we discuss how Gary and Anne Marie came to be popular Christian parenting experts, their curricula Growing Kids God's Way, and the controversy surrounding their methods.
For more reading on the Ezzos, see http://ezzo.info/
Join Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library for a conversation with Catherine McNiel and Jason Hague, authors of the book Mid-Faith Crisis: Finding a Path Through Doubt, Disillusionment, and Dead Ends.
Connect with Catherine online: Bluesky, Facebook, Instagram, Threads, Twitter/X
Connect with Jason online: Facebook
You can connect with Kelsey and Marissa on social media:
Join Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library as they answer your questions. In Part 2, they answer:
1:27 Q: How do you internally & externally handle criticism of your toddlers displaying developmentally appropriate but situationally inappropriate behaviors that children trained under authoritarianism typically don't do?
11:09 Q: What recommendations do you have for church childre...
Join Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library for a conversation with Camden Morgante, author of the book Recovering from Purity Culture: Dismantle the Myths, Reject Shame-Based Sexuality, and Move Forward in Your Faith.
Connect with Dr. Camden online: Instagram, Threads, Facebook, and her Substack Walking the Middle Path.
You can connect with Kelsey and Marissa on social media:
Marissa: Websi...
Join Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library as they answer your questions. In Part 1, they answer:
2:13 Q: What resources do you recommend?
17:06 Q: How would you measure a "healthy" church, especially in re: parenting teaching coming from the pulpit?
34:32 Q: Given 1 Timothy 3:4, is it honorable for all parents to "require obedience"?
Join Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library to discuss the Growing Kids God's Way parenting empire. In Part 1, we discuss how Gary and Anne Marie came to be popular Christian parenting experts, their book On Becoming Babywise: Giving Your Infant the Gift of Nighttime Sleep, and the controversy surrounding their methods.
For more reading on the Ezzos, see http://ezzo.info/
Join Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library to discuss gentle parenting, attachment parenting, and Jesus, the Gentle Parent: Gentle Christian Parenting, by: LR Knost.
YouTube link for an IG conversation with Marissa and Kelsey on Gentle Parenting
You can connect with Kelsey and Marissa on social media:
Marissa: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, YouTu...
Join Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library to discuss a popular, best-selling Christian parenting book from the 1970s: The Christian Family, by: Larry Christenson. In this episode they discuss the socio-political climate of the 1970s, the way mainline denominations folded into broader evangelicalism, viewpoints on household authority structures, and corporal punishment as a perceived ess...
Join Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library for a conversation with Emily Hunter McGowin, author of the book Households of Faith: Practicing Family in the Kingdom of God.
You can find more about Emily and her books here: https://www.emilymcgowin.com/
You can connect with Kelsey and Marissa on social media:
Marissa: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, YouTube, Fac...
Join Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library to discuss the popular Christian parenting book: Shepherding a Child's Heart, by: Tedd Tripp.
You can connect with Kelsey and Marissa on social media:
Marissa: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, YouTube, Facebook
Kelsey: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, Facebook
Join Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library for a sampling of books that represent different elements of popular Christian teaching.
Episode One closed with the note that the next episode would cover Tedd Tripp's book Shepherding A Child's Heart, but that will be the topic for Episode Three.
Note: In this episode, when Marissa is describing the history of the nouthetic movement s...
Join Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library for a conversation about some of the resources that they want to spotlight from their research.
Episode One drops 4/3/25, but until then, you can connect with Kelsey and Marissa on social media:
Marissa: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, YouTube, Facebook
Kelsey: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok...
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