December 24, 2024 • 42 mins
Santa Colin hands out Christmas gifts for NFL teams. FS1 analyst Nick Wright joins the show to discuss Colin's Herd Hierarchy and the top teams in the NFL.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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(00:24):
We're off tomorrow, bringing everything our Herd hierarchy in Nick
Wright in about one minute, live in Los Angeles, It's
the Herd. Jmack went to the Lakers last night. They
lost both games of the Pistons this year.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Brutal that he's tough.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
My guy, Austin Reeves. You know I'll defend him, but
I gotta call him out. He had a rough game, yeah,
turning them.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Ball over like I do in my men's League's Austin
Reeves and Brock Purty.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Stop stop rough year.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
He was, what game?
Speaker 2 (00:52):
You've been a terrible You've been good with.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Your picks, but some of your takes at been lukewarm
at best.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Do you still upset?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
I went after the inside the NBA guys.
Speaker 5 (01:03):
I heard from more people in like the seventy two
hours after that than for any story I'd.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Had in a while.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Did they call you out?
Speaker 5 (01:10):
They were just like, wow, dude, that was crazy. And
I don't know if that's like a nice way of saying.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
You're crazy or they're agreeing with me.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
But the NBA's got its issues right now.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
All right, let's do our top ten heard hierarchy on
a Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Here we go.
Speaker 6 (01:26):
Heard Hierarchy time. Now go the top ten NFL teams
according to College Number ten.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
The Washington Commanders now highest scoring average twenty nine a
game all time for a rookie starting quarterback. But they've
also played the easiest strength of schedule so far this
year the teams. They've played ninety six wins and one
hundred and twenty nine losses. But Jaden Daniels three of
his five touchdown passes coming in the fourth quarter. I
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like the staff, I like the rookie. I still think
the rosters a year away, six or seven draft picks
and a free agent signing or three Commanders at number ten.
Number nine, Chargers have limitations offensively, but they are the
number one scoring defense in the league, so they're gonna
crack the hierarchy and they're six to zero when they
score twenty. When scoring twenty five plus points, you're not
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gonna beat him. It's hard for this team to get
to twenty five plus points though. Lad McConkie's been great,
but they've kind of got B level running backs. They
don't get a ton out of their tight end position.
They stay in games mostly because of their defense, great
coaching and Herbert.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
But I put them at nine.
Speaker 6 (02:37):
Chargers number eight.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
The Ravens, they're probably better than this, but they've been
a bit hot and cold. They have the number one offense.
It is a run first offense. Back to back wins
by seventeen plus points. But I will say and Lamar
has been amazing. He's my MVP, leads the NFL in
passer rating. I worry about them getting tight in big games.
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It would just be terrified if I was Baltimore having
to open the playoffs in Pittsburgh after you had just
hammered him. But I have so much respect for the organization.
I'll put him at eight, number seven, But I think
the Rams right now have a better defense. McVeigh Stafford,
Tyler Higbee. The tight end is back. Matt Stafford, over
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his last six games, has a passer rating over one ten.
Nobody's getting to him. They're not turning it over in
the last four weeks. Number three scoring defense. I think
they're a year away, but Stafford has all sorts of time.
It's the first time all year the offensive line's in
great shape. They got a weapon at tight end, wide receiver,
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running back, quarterback, and a brilliant head coach. Rams at seven,
number six, Minnesota. You know you keep waiting for the
shoe to drop. Sam Darnold has thirty touchdown passes this year.
He had only twenty seven over the previous four seasons combined,
so he's playing out of his mind. I don't think
they have a great roster. I think they have a
great coach, a really good quarterback, and a couple of
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outstanding young receivers. And Brian Flores right now is the
best defensive coordinator in the league. So I can absolutely
see them winning a couple of playoff games.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Eight game winning streak.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
The Donald story is comeback player of the decade in
Sam Darnold.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Vikings at six, number five. I like the Lions.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Roster better even with nineteen defensive players fourteen currently on
the IR nineteen total players on the ir but I
think they've got a better roster. They're the only undefeated
team on the road that speaks well to their run
game in physicality. They're seven to zero on the road,
third straight game over thirty four points. I like him
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a lot, but at some point this league is a
league of attrition and I have concerns defensively.
Speaker 6 (04:57):
Number four.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
That's why I put the Packers at four, not because
they drop the Saints. They lead the NFL and point
differential nine and two record. Now their losses are to Detroit,
but this morning they're a much healthier team. Josh Jacobs
is so perfect for Matt Lafleur, the head coach from
Derrick Henry and Tennessee to Matt to Josh Jacobs. Jordan Love,
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by the way, is throwing less and yet scoring more.
This team is on a roll. I always say my
final four teams in the Herd hierarchy are the teams
I believe that can win the Super Bowl. Green Bays
one of them at number four. Number three, Buffalo nine
and one over their last ten. Listen to the story
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of this team is the defense isn't as good, but
the offense is better, and they don't turn the ball
over and you can't get the Josh Allen.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
He doesn't get sacked.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Even when they play poorly, they win like this past weekend.
James Cook has been a revelation for them for years
and year Josh didn't have a running back. Now he's
got an a running back. Team is very good, can
win it all. Number two Philadelphia they lost, but Jalen
Hurts and Saquon Barkley are the best running back quarterback
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run tandem in a long time. And he got a
concussion early in the game. So it's the number one
rush offense, the number one or number two offensive line
to Detroit. Their line play is exemplary and I think
it remains the best overall roster in the league in
terms of young stars, stars in their prime and older stars.
Affiliate two number one, but you know, you guys can
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all keep denying it. They're nineteen and one Kansas City
over the last twenty games and eleven to zero one
score games. Not every Super Bowl champ you should have
learned this from the dynasty known as the Patriots. Not
every Super Bowl champion is physically overpowering those Ray Lewis
teams had better players than New England teams. In most
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years there were Colts offenses that blew you away. The
Rammy Moss offense for New England never got a trophy.
This team best coach, best big pressure quarterback, arguably best
defensive lineman along with Miles Garrett and TJ. Watt and
Chris Jones. They'll probably rest him down the stretch. Hollywood
Brown is back, Isaiah, but Checko is back. I have
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them at number one. And Nick right now, who occasionally
mentions the Chiefs on his show, is joining us alive.
All right, attack my herd hierarchy.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
What do you make of it?
Speaker 4 (07:25):
It's great hierarchy. I don't really have.
Speaker 7 (07:30):
I mean, I can't find much to quibble with you
and I. Neither one of us are going to quit
the Rams. I mean they don't like they doesn't. I
still think they could win the conference. I'm not picking
them to win the conference.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
But I still think they could.
Speaker 7 (07:44):
But yeah, let's talk about the team at the top
of your a hierarchy, because here's the question I have, Colin.
They beat Pittsburgh tomorrow and get to fifteen and one, yeah,
which I think is gonna happen, then rest everyone in
the final week of the year and they're now finally
once again favorites to win the Super Bowl. This Chiefs
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team that has been nagged all year, that has been
discussed only as vulnerable, not as impressive as other Chiefs teams.
A lot of people threw out one and done. They
have a chance to go down. This year's team, not
the three year run, as objectively speaking, one of the
greatest teams ever. Full list of eighteen win teams in
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NFL history. Eighty four nine Ers, one of the five
greatest teams ever, eighty five Bears, one of the three
greatest teams ever, O seven Patriots one of the maybe
the greatest team ever. Certainly the greatest team ever to
not win a championship, and it would be the Chiefs
if they win the title this year and all year
the media coverage has been something's wrong with them, because
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people have decided that we're going to do an old
BCS computer style strength of victory rather than the actual record.
No team has beaten more playoff teams in the Chiefs.
No team has beaten more teams still alive for the
playoffs than the Chiefs. They are the only team right
now that has a no doubt future Hall of Famer
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at coach, at quarterback, two at skill positions in Kelsey
and Hopkins, maybe two on the offensive line, and Toney
and Creed. You mentioned Chris Jones, a Hall of Fame
defensive coordinator. They never lose. They're peaking at the right time.
And listen, your buddy J Mack across from you in
the studio last week said even they might not be
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in his top six, what top six all time? Maybe
I think they're getting there. So just seems like maybe
we should put a little respect on a team that's
about the three peat, that's all that's lost one game
the whole year.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Yeah, I would go to the Chicago Bulls, the best
basketball team of all time. What made them great wasn't
this sizzling offensive dexterity. They just had the best player
what made them unbeatable. It's the best defensive team ever
Rodman Pippen, MJ. They didn't get a lot of scoring
from their bigs before Kup coach. They didn't have a
lot of great perimeter players, but even their bench guys
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Ron Harper could defend, and so sometime No. Golden State
was way more fun to watch because they had all
the three ball shooters, but sometimes the greatest doesn't have
the most sizzle. And to your point, Kansas City third down,
goal line coordinator, coach, quarterback are great. Now let's go
to a team that does have more sizzle. And you know,
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I love Sam Darnold. In fact, I made a claim yesterday.
This is a little bit of hubrist but there's only
one American that didn't like Zach Wilson or Daniel Jones
and love Donald three for three on New York quarterbacks.
But let's not get into that. Let's get into this. Sure,
let's get into this. What do they do They draft
a quarterback, they get Daniel Jones, Sam Darnold can leave.
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How in the world he and Justin Jefferson right now
are the tandem in the league. If you're Minnesota, do
you let him walk?
Speaker 4 (11:03):
All right?
Speaker 7 (11:04):
So this is a complex question that deserves a complex answer.
But first it is you know, Christmas Eve. So my
first gift to you should be you know it. I
choke on the words a bit, but I might owe
you an apology because I have mocked you publicly, privately,
via text, on TV, via Twitter, any medium for your
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Sam Darnold love affair for the last well for the
whole time. I've known you, yes, for seven years, and
it would appear that this rose has finally bloomed, and
you never gave up and you, I mean, this is
the fact that you never gave in on him. And
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now the play you just showed is the single best
play of that young man's career. Like the one seed
still available for them, trailing against a team fighting for
its playoff life, climb in the pocket, throw a perfect
pass through double coverage to one of the best receivers
I've ever seen in Justin Jefferson. So you deserve credit
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here is though the answer. I think his future with
the Vikings is going to be determined fair or not.
I just think what's going to happen. It's going to
be determined by the playoff run. Because if they they
could finish fourteen and three and all of a sudden
be on the road in Los Angeles in round one
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like that, because they could, they'd be the five seed
if they don't.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Win out and that's a losable game.
Speaker 7 (12:37):
And even if that doesn't happen, I think that the
Vikings plan right now is to franchise Donald and see
if someone wants to give them a great draft pick
for him and roll with JJ with the faith of Hey,
maybe Colin was.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
Mostly right about Donald.
Speaker 7 (12:57):
However, we have gotten a thirteen win season out of
Kirk Cousins. We just got a thirteen plus win season
out of Sam Darnold. We think JJ has more natural
talent in those guys, and he's incredibly cheap. Now, if
they were to end up in the Super Bowl, then
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I think you've got to do the Drew Brees Philip
Rivers thing from twenty years ago, which is, even though
you drafted the replacement, you keep the veteran for one
more season, probably on the franchise tag, and let him
start next year and then figure it out from there.
But I honestly think anything short of the Super Bowl
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they franchise in trade. I think with a Super Bowl appearance,
they franchise and play. I don't think they're going to
give him a long term extension.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
So you and I have both been on the party thing.
You can have an old quarterback, a pocket quarterback, a
small quarterback, a big quarterback. You can do quarterback in
a variety of shapes, ages, sizes, styles. What you cannot
do in this league is pay a B guy a
plus money Dallas did their sunk and brought you know,
and again he's a franchise guy. It should start with
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a three or a low four. It can't start with
a five or six. That pick against Miami.
Speaker 7 (14:18):
That play, I didn't know if you went the one
the week before, back to back game losing picks. Here's
den Colin and this is where neither one of us
owe each other in apology, but the.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Whole sports world owes us.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
Apology exactly because.
Speaker 7 (14:32):
We held the line yes, and we listened to everyone
on every network scold us, say, oh, whether it's former quarterback,
former player, just analyst, they all said, oh, what more
do you want to see? Look at the numbers, best
twenty five game start to his career.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
If you don't have.
Speaker 7 (14:52):
Him butting up against the top five, you're biased. You're
holding the fact that he was the last pick of
the draft against him. What more do you want? And
our answers were more. Our answers every time we're.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
You know what I want?
Speaker 3 (15:06):
What more?
Speaker 4 (15:06):
I want? I want more? I want to see what
brock Purty.
Speaker 7 (15:10):
Looks like in less than absolutely ideal circumstances. And I
honestly thought all off season when we argued about him
every day on this show on first things first, like, man,
we're probably you know what's probably gonna happen. The Niners
are gonna have Cemac and Ayuk and Debo and Trent
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Williams and Kyle Shanahan and he's gonna put up another
awesome year and they're gonna be really good again and
I'm gonna be on TV like yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Still don't believe.
Speaker 7 (15:39):
But instead, sadly for the Niners, those guys got hurt.
They weren't there, Trent Williams got a little old and
then hurt. We know, seem see all of it, and
it's like, oh, okay, brock party. Instead of being in
the top one percent of all situations for a young
quarterback in NFL history, you are now in a league
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average situation.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
And color me shocked.
Speaker 7 (16:04):
He produced below league average results. And so you're talking
about paying him in the you know, forties or low fours,
high threes. I would not pay this player. I would
tell this I would say, hey, man, you're under contract,
and very rarely in business or in sports when you
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are trying to get a new contract early, can you
go to the bosses and say pay me early. They're like, Okay,
how was your last year and it's like, well, the
worst of my career by a mile. Usually in those
circumstances they say, okay, let's see how next year goes,
and I just it was. What was so baffling to
me about this discourse is it was so many of
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the same players media players from the Jimmy g discourse,
some of us holding the line like I really don't
think he's that good, and then being screamed at look
at the winds, look at Shanahan without him, and then
Jimmy G leaves immediately is terrible. They drop in literally
anybody that guy produces better than Jimmy Gee.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
Res also like, no, this guy's awesome too.
Speaker 7 (17:12):
So I think the Niners are about to enter a
really tough situation. Trey Williams is thirty seven, who knows CMC,
who knows what he.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
Looks like next year?
Speaker 7 (17:23):
Are you coming off the ACL a lot of problems
and I don't do not believe they have a quarterback
that can solve them, even though you and I got
yelled at about that for the better part of the year.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Finally, Danny Parkins says hire Ben Johnson, who was showing
off this weekend his playbook against the Bears. I say,
when you have a broken franchise, you got to get
a culture changer. You got to do a Dan Campbell.
He didn't have to be a schematic whiz. You get
Jim Harbaugh doesn't have to be a schematic whiz When
you're broken Jets Bears, it's not about it's not about
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drawn up plays. It's about changing the temperature in the room.
What say you on what to do with Caleb Williams
and the Bears?
Speaker 7 (18:08):
I would lean like the idea would have been Jim Harbaugh. Yes,
a culture changer that's also an offensive mind.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
My concern is.
Speaker 7 (18:18):
The one guy out there that feels like a culture changer.
Mike Rabel is another defensive coach when the Bears so
desperately need to lean into Caleb's talent and become a
modern franchise. So Ben, I tend to agree with Danny
that I think Ben Johnson makes a lot of sense.
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With that said, can I say something about Ben Johnson
auditioning for his next job while he still has his
current job, please? I I'm very impressed by him he
seems to be brilliant, everyone seems to like him.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Take none of that away.
Speaker 7 (18:54):
I really hope his trick play bag is as endless
as he seems to think it is, because rolling that
fake fumble play was brilliant, and using that in that
spot against that team up that many points seemed foolish.
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I'm gonna take the audience back a decade to one
of the most one of the seminal moments of Tom
Brady and Bill Belichick's run, the twenty fourteen season. Going
into that year, Colin keep in mind, they had not
won a super Bowl in a decade.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
Peyton Manning is now in.
Speaker 7 (19:35):
The AFC, instantly got to a super Bowl, beat Tom
in the playoffs one league MVP, and there's a real
question about, like, oh, are the Patriots they've come close
ever gonna win again? They pretty clearly figured out early
that year. Oh, there's a quirk with the rule book
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on eligible receivers where if you put a end here
in a tackle here, but to clear one eligible, it'll
trick people. And they had that in their pocket all
year long. And then in the playoffs, having not won
a super Bowl in a decade, down fourteen points, to Baltimore.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
They pulled it out for a whole drive to flip that.
Speaker 7 (20:17):
Game, go on to win that championship and start the
second part of their dynasty. Bill Belichick didn't figure out
that that would work the week before that game.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
They knew it, and they saved it.
Speaker 7 (20:30):
The Lions are about to enter the most important postseason
in the history of their franchise, and their only path
is going to be outscoring people because the defense is
so hurt. I maybe would have kept that play in
my back pocket rather than showed it off to everyone. Now,
maybe Ben Johnson will prove me wrong and in the
playoffs he'll have seven more super cute cool plays. But
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if he doesn't, I think that was a mistake.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Nick Right.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
First things first, Happy Christmas. Eve been Christmas for you
and your beautiful family.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
Buddy, you too, absolutely calm, merry Christmas.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
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Speaker 2 (21:31):
Jmac.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Things are good, Things are rolling. Still contemplating that invite
to your house tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Jmack with the news.
Speaker 5 (21:42):
No, no, turn on the news.
Speaker 6 (21:45):
This is the Herdline News.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
Such a such a large social circle you're weighing invites?
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Huh yeah, Christmas Day?
Speaker 2 (21:52):
A lot of options, shuns.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
All right, let's get started with the Minnesota Vikings and
your boy Sam Darnold. Eight straight wins and they are
in the mix for the top seed overall. According to
Adam Schefter, the Vikings and Donald have yet to have
any discussions about a long term deal.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Schefter adds that he believes there.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
Will be some intriguing scenarios out there for Donald, with
at least five teams needing a quarterback after Shaduur and
cam Ward are drafted.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
So I tried to do this experiment during the commercial.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
Okay, can you name five teams that would be interested
in Sam Darnald?
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Five?
Speaker 2 (22:28):
That's a lot of I'll be honest with you, The Raiders,
the Titans.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
Okay, so remembers cam are out, so we'll give them
to the Giants and who let's go Giants Raiders.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Just to be easy, Okay, I think the Raiders would
consider Donald over should Sailers. Shoudur is going to go
number one to the Giants. He's a more polished thrower
of the football. Cam is thicker, a better athlete with
a better arm.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
They're not the same kind of quarterback.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Okay, so we'll fine, We'll do that. But give me
your give me your five teams to Sam Donald. Where
are they Saints? Are the Saints kicking the tires on
Sam Darnal?
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Absolutely so they're moving off Derek.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Carr to get in the Sam Donald business. Yeah, after
one good year of Sam Donald.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Okay, I just I'm watching Sam Donald. I'm watching Derek
carrs two different players right now.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
Are the Jets going back to Sam Donald?
Speaker 5 (23:24):
No?
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Absolutely no, Sam Donald doesn't mean.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
They're not going after I'm not bootpooing Sam Dar. He's
had a great year.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
I just don't know where this market is the chefter's
talking about me.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Let me ask you this. Let me ask you this.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
What if the Raiders call the Jaguars and say we'll
take the contract of Trevor Lawrence, and the Jaguars say hekay,
we'll take a quarterback and they start over the clock.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
I don't think that's the worst thing in the world.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
I don't Seahawks by the way. I Seahawks have.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Seahawks are mildly interested.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
It's a very good roster that could trade picks and
a player to move up and get a quarterback.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
Okay, So do you want Sam Donald and Seattle or
would you say take a flyer on Jalen Milroe in
the draft?
Speaker 2 (24:11):
I would take Donald over Millrow.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
I would probably take cam Ward because I do think
he has first round arm talent and first round body type.
I would probably go But I think Jalen Milroll, by
the way, is mechanical and not terribly fluid, but the
ball does arrive accurately. He's got strengths and weaknesses. He's
a great kid, work ethics excellent. He's a better Anthony Richardson.
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He's nice, a little bit mechanical for my taste. I
don't see him as a star, but when he lets
go of the ball, it usually ends up where he
wants it to beat it.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
He was a pretty deep ball.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
This is a little left field, but I'll just toss
him out here.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
How about this. I've told you before.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
The best fit for Donald is Minnesota one and the
Colts too.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Yeah, that's that to me.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
I think you have to move off Anthony Richardson, who's
a wonderful kid. But they won a game this week
with seven completion.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
Arizona Cardinals. Decide.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
You know what, Kyler, I think you have to think
about that one too.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
And how about this, I'm dead serious, Trevor Lawrence and
Kyler Murray. I could see the Raiders calling both.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Oh God, getting into the Kyler Murray.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Well, I'm just saying, calling both. I think they would
take I think they would take Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
I would certainly take him.
Speaker 5 (25:25):
Listen, I don't want to be negative toward Kyler Murray again.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Legendary high school quarterback.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
We know that historically great, awesome college football player. I
don't just I just don't see it in the NFL column.
What do we have five years now of Kyler Murray.
He's inconsistent.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
All I hear is he doesn't have weapons. Oh, we'll
get them.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
Marvin Harrison, we got him, Trey McBride, we got him,
James Connor, and he's still like just not coming up
big in all the important spots they missed out on
the playoffs again, is it time to consider moving on
from Kyler and getting in the Sam Darnold business.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
I could see this.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
I can see Jacksonville going into the cam Ward business
and getting picks and getting out of Trevor Lawrence's salary
and getting picks.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
I can see him doing that.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
I'm just saying that's live and I don't think the
Raiders love these quarterbacks. I can see the Raiders trading
down and taking Milrow at fifteen.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
I'm dead serious.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Yeah, Milroe. Listen, if Fanton Richardson goes top five, Milroe's
gonna go first round.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Oh He's going first round.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Milroll's going I've been I've been told that by two GMS.
Milroe is going first round. It's a week quarterback draft,
it's a week first round. Milroe's going first round.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
The people listening to this colin driving in their cars
wherever they're going, it's starting to sound like we're getting
that NBA vibe where there's like a handful of awesome
number one players who can lead a team, and then
there's a lot of twos and threes in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Colins. I don't know how many franchise quarterbacks there are.
If we're talking about moving off Kyler, he ain't a
franchise guy. If we're talking about moving off.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Trevor one, no, no, no, let's be fair.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
I don't know that he's a franchise guy. Hasn't shown
you he's a friend.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Trevor Lawrence has won a playoff game. He's shown me
wasen Greg co Sales never loved him. I like him
more than most, But I think different environments matter. I mean,
good God, Aaron Rodgers as a jet. Aaron Rodgers is
a packer. It's like two different players. Sam Darnold is
a panther. Sam Darnald is a Viking. Sometimes it's a reboot.
Geno Smith is a jet. Two prole Bowls with Seattle
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as a seahawk. So sometimes it's a fresh start. I
think if if you gave Trevor Lawrence, like a really
good offensive line and a run game and some continuity
instead of Jacksonville, I think Trevor Lawrence is a playoff quarterback.
Speaker 5 (27:39):
That's probably accurate. I just keep bringing it. Like Baker
Mayfield got what thirty to thirty five million year, I
have no problem. I think that's a great contract for
Donald rock Perty and everybody.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Who's not proven.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
I don't disagree that they're not.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Like David Prescott really messed things up for the Cowboys.
Speaker 5 (27:56):
Next up, good news for the Steelers. George pickensoneline with
that hamstring injury.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
It breaking news.
Speaker 5 (28:03):
He's off the injury report and will play tomorrow for
the Steelers in a huge game. And the offense has
missed him badly. They've lost I believe two of three.
The doctors made this decision, and Steelers and Ravens are
tied for first in the AFC North. This hasn't done
anything to the line. The Chiefs are still three point favorites.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
In Pittsburgh on Christmas Day. With Pickens, you think they
got a shot here at the upset.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Absolutely. I think Pickens is a difference maker. Yeah, I
think he's really good. I mean, Kansas City wins all
these games. I think people struggle with this. Before the
Golden State Warriors, a lot of NBA championships weren't about sizzle.
The seventy six ers with Doctor J always had sizzle.
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Okay that I think we think sizzle equals championship. Baltimore's
had the most sizzle in the league last year San Francisco,
previous three years, big sizzle team, the way they look.
McCaffrey over the top, Deebo. New England's dynasty when they
had their most sizzle was Randy Moss never won a
Super Bowl. The New York Giants have never had sizzle
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and won multiple Super Bowls. I think we're not giving
Kansas City credit. They have the best head coach, the
best defensive a coordinator, a top three defensive lineman, the
best quarterback arguably next to Brady of all time, the
best tight end ever, a two elite interior O lineman.
I'm just saying good corners. I think the Kansas City
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thing is when you go back to Michael Jordan's Bulls,
they were easily the best defensive team in the league.
Utah was second. They kept ending up in finals. What
flash did the Jazz have? They had Jordan, but Pippen
wasn't a long range shooter.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
He was a slasher. Ku Coach was their first good
player who could shoot.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
They never got. They never had a dominant center. It
was Will Purdue, Luke Longley, it was Artist Gilmore.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Yeah yeah, yeh yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Winnington Gilmore, Gilbo didn't Yeah, and I'm confusing him with Cartwright.
My point is is we're always seeking sizzle. The Greatest
Show on Turf lost to the Patriots and Tom Brady
with no sizzle. Remember that Buffalo Bill's team they lost
to Phil Simms and the Giants. No sizzle.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Sizzle doesn't win in this league.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Great coaching, high end quarterback play, a big time pass rusher.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Who are the sizzle teams right now? Give me the
Buffalo Bill Sizzle, the sizzle.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Baltimore will always be sizzle, Detroy Lions, Dolphins last year,
Baltimore always Buffalo with Josh Allen. Those are sizzle teams.
Those are big.
Speaker 5 (30:47):
I think we need a list of sizzle teams. This
is wrong on this No, I think you're onto something.
I don't know that I would agree with all those
sizzle teams.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
But uh, did I have artists? Gilmore played for the Bulls.
It was Luke Longley, will Purdue Bill Winning, Stacey King.
Those are their four centers. Those are their four center
Oh my god, well what artist Gilmore?
Speaker 2 (31:06):
I'm going aba?
Speaker 3 (31:07):
By the way, update.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
Amazon strike is my my terrible towel is not going
to be arriving in time for tomorrow's game, so I
don't be waving it around.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
In my famiazon strike.
Speaker 5 (31:17):
Yeah, there was some kind of Amazon strike, so they
delayed my terrible towel arriving so I won't be able
to wave it Thursday on air.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Have you ever gone to the.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Store and they say, are you a Prime Member?
Speaker 1 (31:26):
And I'm like, I'm i'mlike, first of all, I pay
for Amazon Prime because I get third day at football.
I'm a Prime member, right, I think, why can't they
just I show them my phone and give me free groceries?
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Why is it so hard? I don't want to show
you my club membership. I don't know what the number is.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
Fuck.
Speaker 5 (31:42):
Khill's story is to the NBA. I was there last
night for Lakers fisted Lebron another triple double, his one
hundred and twentieth at twenty eight, eleven and eleven.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Buddy missed the game time three at the Buzz. It
was a good look. Lakers were swept.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
You were there, Buddy by the Detroit That's a good look.
That's a good look.
Speaker 5 (31:59):
It would turn over the lack of rim protection. I
think the Lakers are personally looking ahead to the Golden
State Warriors.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
You know what I think is gonna save the NBA
playoffs this year? Lebron the New York Knicks.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
I think the New York Knicks, they've been irrelevant forever.
I watch them.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
I probably watched them half a dozen times for a
half this year. Great watch that team between Madison Square,
Kooky Karl Anthony, Jalen brunts in their toughness. I think
because the Celtics are a good watch, and I do
think Okayse's fun. Denver doesn't feel the same. No, a
lot of teams aren't ready yet. I think the Knicks
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are gonna make I think the Knick Celtics will meet
in the Eastern Conference Finals and they'll save the NBA
this year because the ratings have been in the tank.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
So Spurs Knicks tomorrow from MSG.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Why that'd be a great game.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Now, listen, it is Christmas. You gotta be in there.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
I'll watch that game.
Speaker 5 (32:51):
I don't want to hear If Wenby attempts to eleven threes,
You're like, come on, Wemby.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Go post up on the watch.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Well, everybody told me was a unicorn, and the most
personal bit he's a seven four steph Curry.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Now breath and Shack and Elizza one and you in command?
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Rose, who cares? Rose?
Speaker 3 (33:07):
It's awesome.
Speaker 5 (33:09):
He's seven five shooting threees. Feathery touch like Curry. Isn't
that unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
I don't want my seven four guy to have a
feathery touch. I want elbows and rebounding and Dumpton in
your faith.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
You're like a Charles Oakley Anthony Mason kind.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Of guy, artist, Gilmore artist kid it all comes, Nate Thurmond, Bobblin.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
Are you talk about sleepy NBA.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
J Mack with the news.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by.
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Speaker 3 (35:04):
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Speaker 2 (35:06):
On Fine Well. I know the elves are hard at work.
It's Christmas Eve.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Every year on Christmas Eve, Uncle Colin, America's honesty broker,
likes to give out presents to NFL team.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
So Jmack, are you ready? You give me the team?
Speaker 1 (35:20):
J Mack Let's have a little Christmas spirit and a
little Christmas jingle, and let's give out presents around the NFL.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
All right, Santa Colin, let's start in Philly. What are
we giving the Eagles this year?
Speaker 1 (35:33):
I think Nick Sirianni's yelling at fans, he's yelling at coaches.
I'm gonna give him and the team a year's worth
of therapy sessions to work out their drama. Believe it
or not, Nick has the highest win percentage of any
active coach in the NFL, including Andy Reid.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Therapy is what this team needs.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
Oh boy, here we go. How about the two time
defending champion Chiefs. What do they get this year?
Speaker 4 (35:57):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Ho ho, hey, how you doing to give Patrick Mahomes
a bubble wrap body suit to make sure he has
every chance of completing the three peat. He's been sacked
thirty six times, He's got a high ankle sprain. If
he's healthy, they hoist the trophy in my opinion, but
this guy has taken a beating this year.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
All right, what's under the tree for the Pittsburgh Steelers
this year?
Speaker 1 (36:20):
I'm gonna give Mike Tomlin a fire extinguisher. So when
Russ gets to cooking and almost burns the house down.
He's got three giveaways in the last two games, forty
one touchdowns, twelve picks over the last two seasons. Sometimes
Russ cooks and it gets a little too hot, and
Tomlin would rather win with Najie Harris in the defense.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
All right, you love Sam Darnald on the Vikings. What
do we get for them on this person?
Speaker 1 (36:47):
How about one of those Norse drinking horns so they
can celebrate their success like their namesake. Thirteen and two
eight game winning streak. Does Donald look like a Viking?
Speaker 3 (36:58):
He does?
Speaker 1 (36:59):
I know he's from the sunny southern California beaches. He
looks like Game of Thrones territory to me.
Speaker 5 (37:05):
All right, sticking in the NFC North Pole, what are
we gifting the packers?
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Let's give them the clutch gene or at least a
pair of clutch jeans the Brett Farv specials Jordan Love
and Week eleven or later over the.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Last two years eleven and three. Yeah, that's the old Farv.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Add a pair of clutch geans like Brett Farv the Gunslinger.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
Yes, love it well, I know that my jets are
getting a lump of coal from me.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
But what do you give me? Let me think about this.
The New York Jets tough season.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
Let's give Whatdy Johnson a Dolorean so he can go
back in time and change a few things. Nine straight
seasons with a losing record, the longest active streak in
the NFL.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Look back to the Back to the Future vehicle.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
All right, what about Kyl Shanahana the Niners? What are
they getting Christmas?
Speaker 1 (37:57):
A lot of drama, a lot of noise with brand
and a uked bow last year. Now with brock Perty's contract,
how about some ear muffs to keep out all the
chatter for the next six months? Who needs a headset?
Let's give Kyle shad Ahead ear muffs.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
To keep out the pretty contract extension noise.
Speaker 5 (38:17):
And finally, everybody in Cleveland needs holidays. Here, Colin, what
are we gifting the Cleveland Browns? I know what.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
I'm gonna give them a prescription of ozeviic so they
can cut the dead weight into shan Watson oh ninety
two million over the next two seasons.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
We got one more, don't we There's one more? There
isn't there.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
That's all that's on my sheet.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
I don't know one more.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
Yeah, fine, fine, the NFL is gonna give the NBA
because Christmas Day has always been historically NBA Day. But
the NFL is gonna give the NBA. They're gonna a
little stocking stuffer. They're gonna regift some of the NFL's
viewers to the NBA.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Is that a cheap shot?
Speaker 3 (38:57):
That might be a low blow? You might hear from
the APR on that one. Should they be watching?
Speaker 2 (39:02):
All right?
Speaker 1 (39:03):
There you go, Happy Holidays, Happy Christmas, blah blah blah,
all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
From my TVs you got at home. You have multiple
TVs going for the NBA and NFL.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Yeah, I always do. You do too, don't you? Of course?
Speaker 5 (39:17):
And I have a remote control that works, so I
don't need to like worry, just switch the channel.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
No, I think. I think if I look at the
NFL season, there's a couple of things that jump out
to me.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
I will say this now.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
I don't want to get braggy because every week I
do Colin Wright, Colin Wrong, I do that every week.
But do you realize if Michael Pennox and Atlanta can
maintain their division lead and Baltimore, which is tied with Pittsburgh,
but Pittsburgh loses to the Chiefs, I will have gotten
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seven out of eight divisions right, and called the Washington
Commanders as the surprise playoff team and said Denver would
be the double your win total vague is his wrong team.
And the Cowboys and the Niners I call them teams
with big winning ways.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
The last three years. That would start a significant regression.
Not terrible.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
Picks have stunk pretty good offseason.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
You've had an amazing year of picks.
Speaker 5 (40:17):
I'm trying to think in the NFC, if the Falcons
win the division and they get the they would have
the four seed. Right, would they host the Vikings in
the playoffs? I think so, and Kirk Cousins would be
on the bench with Michael Pennock starting. Everybody's banging on
the Cousins move. There's no guarantee Penis would have been
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as good as he was against the Giants, the worst
team in the league in Week one. Cousins got you
two wins over the Buccaneers. You can say whatever you want,
Kirk Cousins, whatever the cost is, got you two wins
over the Buccaneers. That's the tiebreaker. So if Pennix can
win you. You can bang on that contract all you want.
Tampa's a good team.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
They beat him twice.
Speaker 5 (41:00):
Look strange that Kirk Cousins is facing the Vikings who
cut him loose last year, and Kirk Cousins is.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
On the bench in the playoff game. No, I think.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
I think once you make the playoffs, you are so
gratified in this league to make the playoffs and host
a playoff game.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
Well, the Falcons are, but not Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Well, I think here's another thing. I think Donald, I
think the Cults are going to make a big run
at Darnald. I think the Vikings probably keep him. I
think Kirk Cousins a year to rehab. Keep your eye
on the keep your eye on the Raiders, keep your
eye on some of these teams. On Kirk Cousins for
one year. Can he come in for a year and
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get get his fastball back and stabilize an unstable, turbulent,
chaotic organization. So I don't think Kirk Cousins is done.
I think Aaron struggled post injury until the last month.
Cousins was better early and has struggled in.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
The last few The Raiders.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
Do you want Cousins or Rogers.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
Probably can power three next.
Speaker 6 (42:03):
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We're off tomorrow, bringing everything our Herd hierarchy in Nick
Wright in about one minute, live in Los Angeles, It's
the Herd. Jmack went to the Lakers last night. They
lost both games of the Pistons this year.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Brutal that he's tough.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
My guy, Austin Reeves. You know I'll defend him, but
I gotta call him out. He had a rough game, yeah,
turning them.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Ball over like I do in my men's League's Austin
Reeves and Brock Purty.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Stop stop rough year.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
He was, what game?
Speaker 2 (00:52):
You've been a terrible You've been good with.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Your picks, but some of your takes at been lukewarm
at best.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Do you still upset?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
I went after the inside the NBA guys.
Speaker 5 (01:03):
I heard from more people in like the seventy two
hours after that than for any story I'd.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Had in a while.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Did they call you out?
Speaker 5 (01:10):
They were just like, wow, dude, that was crazy. And
I don't know if that's like a nice way of saying.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
You're crazy or they're agreeing with me.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
But the NBA's got its issues right now.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
All right, let's do our top ten heard hierarchy on
a Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Here we go.
Speaker 6 (01:26):
Heard Hierarchy time. Now go the top ten NFL teams
according to College Number ten.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
The Washington Commanders now highest scoring average twenty nine a
game all time for a rookie starting quarterback. But they've
also played the easiest strength of schedule so far this
year the teams. They've played ninety six wins and one
hundred and twenty nine losses. But Jaden Daniels three of
his five touchdown passes coming in the fourth quarter. I
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like the staff, I like the rookie. I still think
the rosters a year away, six or seven draft picks
and a free agent signing or three Commanders at number ten.
Number nine, Chargers have limitations offensively, but they are the
number one scoring defense in the league, so they're gonna
crack the hierarchy and they're six to zero when they
score twenty. When scoring twenty five plus points, you're not
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gonna beat him. It's hard for this team to get
to twenty five plus points though. Lad McConkie's been great,
but they've kind of got B level running backs. They
don't get a ton out of their tight end position.
They stay in games mostly because of their defense, great
coaching and Herbert.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
But I put them at nine.
Speaker 6 (02:37):
Chargers number eight.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
The Ravens, they're probably better than this, but they've been
a bit hot and cold. They have the number one offense.
It is a run first offense. Back to back wins
by seventeen plus points. But I will say and Lamar
has been amazing. He's my MVP, leads the NFL in
passer rating. I worry about them getting tight in big games.
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It would just be terrified if I was Baltimore having
to open the playoffs in Pittsburgh after you had just
hammered him. But I have so much respect for the organization.
I'll put him at eight, number seven, But I think
the Rams right now have a better defense. McVeigh Stafford,
Tyler Higbee. The tight end is back. Matt Stafford, over
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his last six games, has a passer rating over one ten.
Nobody's getting to him. They're not turning it over in
the last four weeks. Number three scoring defense. I think
they're a year away, but Stafford has all sorts of time.
It's the first time all year the offensive line's in
great shape. They got a weapon at tight end, wide receiver,
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running back, quarterback, and a brilliant head coach. Rams at seven,
number six, Minnesota. You know you keep waiting for the
shoe to drop. Sam Darnold has thirty touchdown passes this year.
He had only twenty seven over the previous four seasons combined,
so he's playing out of his mind. I don't think
they have a great roster. I think they have a
great coach, a really good quarterback, and a couple of
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outstanding young receivers. And Brian Flores right now is the
best defensive coordinator in the league. So I can absolutely
see them winning a couple of playoff games.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Eight game winning streak.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
The Donald story is comeback player of the decade in
Sam Darnold.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Vikings at six, number five. I like the Lions.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Roster better even with nineteen defensive players fourteen currently on
the IR nineteen total players on the ir but I
think they've got a better roster. They're the only undefeated
team on the road that speaks well to their run
game in physicality. They're seven to zero on the road,
third straight game over thirty four points. I like him
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a lot, but at some point this league is a
league of attrition and I have concerns defensively.
Speaker 6 (04:57):
Number four.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
That's why I put the Packers at four, not because
they drop the Saints. They lead the NFL and point
differential nine and two record. Now their losses are to Detroit,
but this morning they're a much healthier team. Josh Jacobs
is so perfect for Matt Lafleur, the head coach from
Derrick Henry and Tennessee to Matt to Josh Jacobs. Jordan Love,
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by the way, is throwing less and yet scoring more.
This team is on a roll. I always say my
final four teams in the Herd hierarchy are the teams
I believe that can win the Super Bowl. Green Bays
one of them at number four. Number three, Buffalo nine
and one over their last ten. Listen to the story
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of this team is the defense isn't as good, but
the offense is better, and they don't turn the ball
over and you can't get the Josh Allen.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
He doesn't get sacked.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Even when they play poorly, they win like this past weekend.
James Cook has been a revelation for them for years
and year Josh didn't have a running back. Now he's
got an a running back. Team is very good, can
win it all. Number two Philadelphia they lost, but Jalen
Hurts and Saquon Barkley are the best running back quarterback
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run tandem in a long time. And he got a
concussion early in the game. So it's the number one
rush offense, the number one or number two offensive line
to Detroit. Their line play is exemplary and I think
it remains the best overall roster in the league in
terms of young stars, stars in their prime and older stars.
Affiliate two number one, but you know, you guys can
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all keep denying it. They're nineteen and one Kansas City
over the last twenty games and eleven to zero one
score games. Not every Super Bowl champ you should have
learned this from the dynasty known as the Patriots. Not
every Super Bowl champion is physically overpowering those Ray Lewis
teams had better players than New England teams. In most
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years there were Colts offenses that blew you away. The
Rammy Moss offense for New England never got a trophy.
This team best coach, best big pressure quarterback, arguably best
defensive lineman along with Miles Garrett and TJ. Watt and
Chris Jones. They'll probably rest him down the stretch. Hollywood
Brown is back, Isaiah, but Checko is back. I have
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them at number one. And Nick right now, who occasionally
mentions the Chiefs on his show, is joining us alive.
All right, attack my herd hierarchy.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
What do you make of it?
Speaker 4 (07:25):
It's great hierarchy. I don't really have.
Speaker 7 (07:30):
I mean, I can't find much to quibble with you
and I. Neither one of us are going to quit
the Rams. I mean they don't like they doesn't. I
still think they could win the conference. I'm not picking
them to win the conference.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
But I still think they could.
Speaker 7 (07:44):
But yeah, let's talk about the team at the top
of your a hierarchy, because here's the question I have, Colin.
They beat Pittsburgh tomorrow and get to fifteen and one, yeah,
which I think is gonna happen, then rest everyone in
the final week of the year and they're now finally
once again favorites to win the Super Bowl. This Chiefs
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team that has been nagged all year, that has been
discussed only as vulnerable, not as impressive as other Chiefs teams.
A lot of people threw out one and done. They
have a chance to go down. This year's team, not
the three year run, as objectively speaking, one of the
greatest teams ever. Full list of eighteen win teams in
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NFL history. Eighty four nine Ers, one of the five
greatest teams ever, eighty five Bears, one of the three
greatest teams ever, O seven Patriots one of the maybe
the greatest team ever. Certainly the greatest team ever to
not win a championship, and it would be the Chiefs
if they win the title this year and all year
the media coverage has been something's wrong with them, because
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people have decided that we're going to do an old
BCS computer style strength of victory rather than the actual record.
No team has beaten more playoff teams in the Chiefs.
No team has beaten more teams still alive for the
playoffs than the Chiefs. They are the only team right
now that has a no doubt future Hall of Famer
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at coach, at quarterback, two at skill positions in Kelsey
and Hopkins, maybe two on the offensive line, and Toney
and Creed. You mentioned Chris Jones, a Hall of Fame
defensive coordinator. They never lose. They're peaking at the right time.
And listen, your buddy J Mack across from you in
the studio last week said even they might not be
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in his top six, what top six all time? Maybe
I think they're getting there. So just seems like maybe
we should put a little respect on a team that's
about the three peat, that's all that's lost one game
the whole year.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Yeah, I would go to the Chicago Bulls, the best
basketball team of all time. What made them great wasn't
this sizzling offensive dexterity. They just had the best player
what made them unbeatable. It's the best defensive team ever
Rodman Pippen, MJ. They didn't get a lot of scoring
from their bigs before Kup coach. They didn't have a
lot of great perimeter players, but even their bench guys
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Ron Harper could defend, and so sometime No. Golden State
was way more fun to watch because they had all
the three ball shooters, but sometimes the greatest doesn't have
the most sizzle. And to your point, Kansas City third down,
goal line coordinator, coach, quarterback are great. Now let's go
to a team that does have more sizzle. And you know,
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I love Sam Darnold. In fact, I made a claim yesterday.
This is a little bit of hubrist but there's only
one American that didn't like Zach Wilson or Daniel Jones
and love Donald three for three on New York quarterbacks.
But let's not get into that. Let's get into this. Sure,
let's get into this. What do they do They draft
a quarterback, they get Daniel Jones, Sam Darnold can leave.
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How in the world he and Justin Jefferson right now
are the tandem in the league. If you're Minnesota, do
you let him walk?
Speaker 4 (11:03):
All right?
Speaker 7 (11:04):
So this is a complex question that deserves a complex answer.
But first it is you know, Christmas Eve. So my
first gift to you should be you know it. I
choke on the words a bit, but I might owe
you an apology because I have mocked you publicly, privately,
via text, on TV, via Twitter, any medium for your
(11:27):
Sam Darnold love affair for the last well for the
whole time. I've known you, yes, for seven years, and
it would appear that this rose has finally bloomed, and
you never gave up and you, I mean, this is
the fact that you never gave in on him. And
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now the play you just showed is the single best
play of that young man's career. Like the one seed
still available for them, trailing against a team fighting for
its playoff life, climb in the pocket, throw a perfect
pass through double coverage to one of the best receivers
I've ever seen in Justin Jefferson. So you deserve credit
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here is though the answer. I think his future with
the Vikings is going to be determined fair or not.
I just think what's going to happen. It's going to
be determined by the playoff run. Because if they they
could finish fourteen and three and all of a sudden
be on the road in Los Angeles in round one
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like that, because they could, they'd be the five seed
if they don't.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Win out and that's a losable game.
Speaker 7 (12:37):
And even if that doesn't happen, I think that the
Vikings plan right now is to franchise Donald and see
if someone wants to give them a great draft pick
for him and roll with JJ with the faith of Hey,
maybe Colin was.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
Mostly right about Donald.
Speaker 7 (12:57):
However, we have gotten a thirteen win season out of
Kirk Cousins. We just got a thirteen plus win season
out of Sam Darnold. We think JJ has more natural
talent in those guys, and he's incredibly cheap. Now, if
they were to end up in the Super Bowl, then
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I think you've got to do the Drew Brees Philip
Rivers thing from twenty years ago, which is, even though
you drafted the replacement, you keep the veteran for one
more season, probably on the franchise tag, and let him
start next year and then figure it out from there.
But I honestly think anything short of the Super Bowl
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they franchise in trade. I think with a Super Bowl appearance,
they franchise and play. I don't think they're going to
give him a long term extension.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
So you and I have both been on the party thing.
You can have an old quarterback, a pocket quarterback, a
small quarterback, a big quarterback. You can do quarterback in
a variety of shapes, ages, sizes, styles. What you cannot
do in this league is pay a B guy a
plus money Dallas did their sunk and brought you know,
and again he's a franchise guy. It should start with
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a three or a low four. It can't start with
a five or six. That pick against Miami.
Speaker 7 (14:18):
That play, I didn't know if you went the one
the week before, back to back game losing picks. Here's
den Colin and this is where neither one of us
owe each other in apology, but the.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Whole sports world owes us.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
Apology exactly because.
Speaker 7 (14:32):
We held the line yes, and we listened to everyone
on every network scold us, say, oh, whether it's former quarterback,
former player, just analyst, they all said, oh, what more
do you want to see? Look at the numbers, best
twenty five game start to his career.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
If you don't have.
Speaker 7 (14:52):
Him butting up against the top five, you're biased. You're
holding the fact that he was the last pick of
the draft against him. What more do you want? And
our answers were more. Our answers every time we're.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
You know what I want?
Speaker 3 (15:06):
What more?
Speaker 4 (15:06):
I want? I want more? I want to see what
brock Purty.
Speaker 7 (15:10):
Looks like in less than absolutely ideal circumstances. And I
honestly thought all off season when we argued about him
every day on this show on first things first, like, man,
we're probably you know what's probably gonna happen. The Niners
are gonna have Cemac and Ayuk and Debo and Trent
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Williams and Kyle Shanahan and he's gonna put up another
awesome year and they're gonna be really good again and
I'm gonna be on TV like yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Still don't believe.
Speaker 7 (15:39):
But instead, sadly for the Niners, those guys got hurt.
They weren't there, Trent Williams got a little old and
then hurt. We know, seem see all of it, and
it's like, oh, okay, brock party. Instead of being in
the top one percent of all situations for a young
quarterback in NFL history, you are now in a league
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average situation.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
And color me shocked.
Speaker 7 (16:04):
He produced below league average results. And so you're talking
about paying him in the you know, forties or low fours,
high threes. I would not pay this player. I would
tell this I would say, hey, man, you're under contract,
and very rarely in business or in sports when you
(16:25):
are trying to get a new contract early, can you
go to the bosses and say pay me early. They're like, Okay,
how was your last year and it's like, well, the
worst of my career by a mile. Usually in those
circumstances they say, okay, let's see how next year goes,
and I just it was. What was so baffling to
me about this discourse is it was so many of
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the same players media players from the Jimmy g discourse,
some of us holding the line like I really don't
think he's that good, and then being screamed at look
at the winds, look at Shanahan without him, and then
Jimmy G leaves immediately is terrible. They drop in literally
anybody that guy produces better than Jimmy Gee.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
Res also like, no, this guy's awesome too.
Speaker 7 (17:12):
So I think the Niners are about to enter a
really tough situation. Trey Williams is thirty seven, who knows CMC,
who knows what he.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
Looks like next year?
Speaker 7 (17:23):
Are you coming off the ACL a lot of problems
and I don't do not believe they have a quarterback
that can solve them, even though you and I got
yelled at about that for the better part of the year.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Finally, Danny Parkins says hire Ben Johnson, who was showing
off this weekend his playbook against the Bears. I say,
when you have a broken franchise, you got to get
a culture changer. You got to do a Dan Campbell.
He didn't have to be a schematic whiz. You get
Jim Harbaugh doesn't have to be a schematic whiz When
you're broken Jets Bears, it's not about it's not about
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drawn up plays. It's about changing the temperature in the room.
What say you on what to do with Caleb Williams
and the Bears?
Speaker 7 (18:08):
I would lean like the idea would have been Jim Harbaugh. Yes,
a culture changer that's also an offensive mind.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
My concern is.
Speaker 7 (18:18):
The one guy out there that feels like a culture changer.
Mike Rabel is another defensive coach when the Bears so
desperately need to lean into Caleb's talent and become a
modern franchise. So Ben, I tend to agree with Danny
that I think Ben Johnson makes a lot of sense.
(18:38):
With that said, can I say something about Ben Johnson
auditioning for his next job while he still has his
current job, please? I I'm very impressed by him he
seems to be brilliant, everyone seems to like him.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Take none of that away.
Speaker 7 (18:54):
I really hope his trick play bag is as endless
as he seems to think it is, because rolling that
fake fumble play was brilliant, and using that in that
spot against that team up that many points seemed foolish.
(19:15):
I'm gonna take the audience back a decade to one
of the most one of the seminal moments of Tom
Brady and Bill Belichick's run, the twenty fourteen season. Going
into that year, Colin keep in mind, they had not
won a super Bowl in a decade.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
Peyton Manning is now in.
Speaker 7 (19:35):
The AFC, instantly got to a super Bowl, beat Tom
in the playoffs one league MVP, and there's a real
question about, like, oh, are the Patriots they've come close
ever gonna win again? They pretty clearly figured out early
that year. Oh, there's a quirk with the rule book
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on eligible receivers where if you put a end here
in a tackle here, but to clear one eligible, it'll
trick people. And they had that in their pocket all
year long. And then in the playoffs, having not won
a super Bowl in a decade, down fourteen points, to Baltimore.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
They pulled it out for a whole drive to flip that.
Speaker 7 (20:17):
Game, go on to win that championship and start the
second part of their dynasty. Bill Belichick didn't figure out
that that would work the week before that game.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
They knew it, and they saved it.
Speaker 7 (20:30):
The Lions are about to enter the most important postseason
in the history of their franchise, and their only path
is going to be outscoring people because the defense is
so hurt. I maybe would have kept that play in
my back pocket rather than showed it off to everyone. Now,
maybe Ben Johnson will prove me wrong and in the
playoffs he'll have seven more super cute cool plays. But
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if he doesn't, I think that was a mistake.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Nick Right.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
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Speaker 4 (21:01):
Buddy, you too, absolutely calm, merry Christmas.
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Speaker 1 (21:34):
Things are good, Things are rolling. Still contemplating that invite
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Speaker 2 (21:40):
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Speaker 5 (21:42):
No, no, turn on the news.
Speaker 6 (21:45):
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Speaker 5 (21:48):
Such a such a large social circle you're weighing invites?
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Huh yeah, Christmas Day?
Speaker 2 (21:52):
A lot of options, shuns.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
All right, let's get started with the Minnesota Vikings and
your boy Sam Darnold. Eight straight wins and they are
in the mix for the top seed overall. According to
Adam Schefter, the Vikings and Donald have yet to have
any discussions about a long term deal.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Schefter adds that he believes there.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
Will be some intriguing scenarios out there for Donald, with
at least five teams needing a quarterback after Shaduur and
cam Ward are drafted.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
So I tried to do this experiment during the commercial.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
Okay, can you name five teams that would be interested
in Sam Darnald?
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Five?
Speaker 2 (22:28):
That's a lot of I'll be honest with you, The Raiders,
the Titans.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
Okay, so remembers cam are out, so we'll give them
to the Giants and who let's go Giants Raiders.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Just to be easy, Okay, I think the Raiders would
consider Donald over should Sailers. Shoudur is going to go
number one to the Giants. He's a more polished thrower
of the football. Cam is thicker, a better athlete with
a better arm.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
They're not the same kind of quarterback.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Okay, so we'll fine, We'll do that. But give me
your give me your five teams to Sam Donald. Where
are they Saints? Are the Saints kicking the tires on
Sam Darnal?
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Absolutely so they're moving off Derek.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Carr to get in the Sam Donald business. Yeah, after
one good year of Sam Donald.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Okay, I just I'm watching Sam Donald. I'm watching Derek
carrs two different players right now.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
Are the Jets going back to Sam Donald?
Speaker 5 (23:24):
No?
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Absolutely no, Sam Donald doesn't mean.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
They're not going after I'm not bootpooing Sam Dar. He's
had a great year.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
I just don't know where this market is the chefter's
talking about me.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Let me ask you this. Let me ask you this.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
What if the Raiders call the Jaguars and say we'll
take the contract of Trevor Lawrence, and the Jaguars say hekay,
we'll take a quarterback and they start over the clock.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
I don't think that's the worst thing in the world.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
I don't Seahawks by the way. I Seahawks have.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Seahawks are mildly interested.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
It's a very good roster that could trade picks and
a player to move up and get a quarterback.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
Okay, So do you want Sam Donald and Seattle or
would you say take a flyer on Jalen Milroe in
the draft?
Speaker 2 (24:11):
I would take Donald over Millrow.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
I would probably take cam Ward because I do think
he has first round arm talent and first round body type.
I would probably go But I think Jalen Milroll, by
the way, is mechanical and not terribly fluid, but the
ball does arrive accurately. He's got strengths and weaknesses. He's
a great kid, work ethics excellent. He's a better Anthony Richardson.
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He's nice, a little bit mechanical for my taste. I
don't see him as a star, but when he lets
go of the ball, it usually ends up where he
wants it to beat it.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
He was a pretty deep ball.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
This is a little left field, but I'll just toss
him out here.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
How about this. I've told you before.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
The best fit for Donald is Minnesota one and the
Colts too.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Yeah, that's that to me.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
I think you have to move off Anthony Richardson, who's
a wonderful kid. But they won a game this week
with seven completion.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
Arizona Cardinals. Decide.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
You know what, Kyler, I think you have to think
about that one too.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
And how about this, I'm dead serious, Trevor Lawrence and
Kyler Murray. I could see the Raiders calling both.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Oh God, getting into the Kyler Murray.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Well, I'm just saying, calling both. I think they would
take I think they would take Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
I would certainly take him.
Speaker 5 (25:25):
Listen, I don't want to be negative toward Kyler Murray again.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Legendary high school quarterback.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
We know that historically great, awesome college football player. I
don't just I just don't see it in the NFL column.
What do we have five years now of Kyler Murray.
He's inconsistent.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
All I hear is he doesn't have weapons. Oh, we'll
get them.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
Marvin Harrison, we got him, Trey McBride, we got him,
James Connor, and he's still like just not coming up
big in all the important spots they missed out on
the playoffs again, is it time to consider moving on
from Kyler and getting in the Sam Darnold business.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
I could see this.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
I can see Jacksonville going into the cam Ward business
and getting picks and getting out of Trevor Lawrence's salary
and getting picks.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
I can see him doing that.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
I'm just saying that's live and I don't think the
Raiders love these quarterbacks. I can see the Raiders trading
down and taking Milrow at fifteen.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
I'm dead serious.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Yeah, Milroe. Listen, if Fanton Richardson goes top five, Milroe's
gonna go first round.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Oh He's going first round.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Milroll's going I've been I've been told that by two GMS.
Milroe is going first round. It's a week quarterback draft,
it's a week first round. Milroe's going first round.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
The people listening to this colin driving in their cars
wherever they're going, it's starting to sound like we're getting
that NBA vibe where there's like a handful of awesome
number one players who can lead a team, and then
there's a lot of twos and threes in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Colins. I don't know how many franchise quarterbacks there are.
If we're talking about moving off Kyler, he ain't a
franchise guy. If we're talking about moving off.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Trevor one, no, no, no, let's be fair.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
I don't know that he's a franchise guy. Hasn't shown
you he's a friend.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Trevor Lawrence has won a playoff game. He's shown me
wasen Greg co Sales never loved him. I like him
more than most, But I think different environments matter. I mean,
good God, Aaron Rodgers as a jet. Aaron Rodgers is
a packer. It's like two different players. Sam Darnold is
a panther. Sam Darnald is a Viking. Sometimes it's a reboot.
Geno Smith is a jet. Two prole Bowls with Seattle
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as a seahawk. So sometimes it's a fresh start. I
think if if you gave Trevor Lawrence, like a really
good offensive line and a run game and some continuity
instead of Jacksonville, I think Trevor Lawrence is a playoff quarterback.
Speaker 5 (27:39):
That's probably accurate. I just keep bringing it. Like Baker
Mayfield got what thirty to thirty five million year, I
have no problem. I think that's a great contract for
Donald rock Perty and everybody.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Who's not proven.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
I don't disagree that they're not.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Like David Prescott really messed things up for the Cowboys.
Speaker 5 (27:56):
Next up, good news for the Steelers. George pickensoneline with
that hamstring injury.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
It breaking news.
Speaker 5 (28:03):
He's off the injury report and will play tomorrow for
the Steelers in a huge game. And the offense has
missed him badly. They've lost I believe two of three.
The doctors made this decision, and Steelers and Ravens are
tied for first in the AFC North. This hasn't done
anything to the line. The Chiefs are still three point favorites.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
In Pittsburgh on Christmas Day. With Pickens, you think they
got a shot here at the upset.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Absolutely. I think Pickens is a difference maker. Yeah, I
think he's really good. I mean, Kansas City wins all
these games. I think people struggle with this. Before the
Golden State Warriors, a lot of NBA championships weren't about sizzle.
The seventy six ers with Doctor J always had sizzle.
(28:50):
Okay that I think we think sizzle equals championship. Baltimore's
had the most sizzle in the league last year San Francisco,
previous three years, big sizzle team, the way they look.
McCaffrey over the top, Deebo. New England's dynasty when they
had their most sizzle was Randy Moss never won a
Super Bowl. The New York Giants have never had sizzle
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and won multiple Super Bowls. I think we're not giving
Kansas City credit. They have the best head coach, the
best defensive a coordinator, a top three defensive lineman, the
best quarterback arguably next to Brady of all time, the
best tight end ever, a two elite interior O lineman.
I'm just saying good corners. I think the Kansas City
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thing is when you go back to Michael Jordan's Bulls,
they were easily the best defensive team in the league.
Utah was second. They kept ending up in finals. What
flash did the Jazz have? They had Jordan, but Pippen
wasn't a long range shooter.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
He was a slasher. Ku Coach was their first good
player who could shoot.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
They never got. They never had a dominant center. It
was Will Purdue, Luke Longley, it was Artist Gilmore.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Yeah yeah, yeh yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Winnington Gilmore, Gilbo didn't Yeah, and I'm confusing him with Cartwright.
My point is is we're always seeking sizzle. The Greatest
Show on Turf lost to the Patriots and Tom Brady
with no sizzle. Remember that Buffalo Bill's team they lost
to Phil Simms and the Giants. No sizzle.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Sizzle doesn't win in this league.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Great coaching, high end quarterback play, a big time pass rusher.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Who are the sizzle teams right now? Give me the
Buffalo Bill Sizzle, the sizzle.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Baltimore will always be sizzle, Detroy Lions, Dolphins last year,
Baltimore always Buffalo with Josh Allen. Those are sizzle teams.
Those are big.
Speaker 5 (30:47):
I think we need a list of sizzle teams. This
is wrong on this No, I think you're onto something.
I don't know that I would agree with all those
sizzle teams.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
But uh, did I have artists? Gilmore played for the Bulls.
It was Luke Longley, will Purdue Bill Winning, Stacey King.
Those are their four centers. Those are their four center
Oh my god, well what artist Gilmore?
Speaker 2 (31:06):
I'm going aba?
Speaker 3 (31:07):
By the way, update.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
Amazon strike is my my terrible towel is not going
to be arriving in time for tomorrow's game, so I
don't be waving it around.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
In my famiazon strike.
Speaker 5 (31:17):
Yeah, there was some kind of Amazon strike, so they
delayed my terrible towel arriving so I won't be able
to wave it Thursday on air.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Have you ever gone to the.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Store and they say, are you a Prime Member?
Speaker 1 (31:26):
And I'm like, I'm i'mlike, first of all, I pay
for Amazon Prime because I get third day at football.
I'm a Prime member, right, I think, why can't they
just I show them my phone and give me free groceries?
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Why is it so hard? I don't want to show
you my club membership. I don't know what the number is.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
Fuck.
Speaker 5 (31:42):
Khill's story is to the NBA. I was there last
night for Lakers fisted Lebron another triple double, his one
hundred and twentieth at twenty eight, eleven and eleven.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Buddy missed the game time three at the Buzz. It
was a good look. Lakers were swept.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
You were there, Buddy by the Detroit That's a good look.
That's a good look.
Speaker 5 (31:59):
It would turn over the lack of rim protection. I
think the Lakers are personally looking ahead to the Golden
State Warriors.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
You know what I think is gonna save the NBA
playoffs this year? Lebron the New York Knicks.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
I think the New York Knicks, they've been irrelevant forever.
I watch them.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
I probably watched them half a dozen times for a
half this year. Great watch that team between Madison Square,
Kooky Karl Anthony, Jalen brunts in their toughness. I think
because the Celtics are a good watch, and I do
think Okayse's fun. Denver doesn't feel the same. No, a
lot of teams aren't ready yet. I think the Knicks
(32:37):
are gonna make I think the Knick Celtics will meet
in the Eastern Conference Finals and they'll save the NBA
this year because the ratings have been in the tank.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
So Spurs Knicks tomorrow from MSG.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Why that'd be a great game.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Now, listen, it is Christmas. You gotta be in there.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
I'll watch that game.
Speaker 5 (32:51):
I don't want to hear If Wenby attempts to eleven threes,
You're like, come on, Wemby.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Go post up on the watch.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Well, everybody told me was a unicorn, and the most
personal bit he's a seven four steph Curry.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Now breath and Shack and Elizza one and you in command?
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Rose, who cares? Rose?
Speaker 3 (33:07):
It's awesome.
Speaker 5 (33:09):
He's seven five shooting threees. Feathery touch like Curry. Isn't
that unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
I don't want my seven four guy to have a
feathery touch. I want elbows and rebounding and Dumpton in
your faith.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
You're like a Charles Oakley Anthony Mason kind.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Of guy, artist, Gilmore artist kid it all comes, Nate Thurmond, Bobblin.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
Are you talk about sleepy NBA.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
J Mack with the news.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by.
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Speaker 3 (35:04):
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Speaker 2 (35:06):
On Fine Well. I know the elves are hard at work.
It's Christmas Eve.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Every year on Christmas Eve, Uncle Colin, America's honesty broker,
likes to give out presents to NFL team.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
So Jmack, are you ready? You give me the team?
Speaker 1 (35:20):
J Mack Let's have a little Christmas spirit and a
little Christmas jingle, and let's give out presents around the NFL.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
All right, Santa Colin, let's start in Philly. What are
we giving the Eagles this year?
Speaker 1 (35:33):
I think Nick Sirianni's yelling at fans, he's yelling at coaches.
I'm gonna give him and the team a year's worth
of therapy sessions to work out their drama. Believe it
or not, Nick has the highest win percentage of any
active coach in the NFL, including Andy Reid.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Therapy is what this team needs.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
Oh boy, here we go. How about the two time
defending champion Chiefs. What do they get this year?
Speaker 4 (35:57):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Ho ho, hey, how you doing to give Patrick Mahomes
a bubble wrap body suit to make sure he has
every chance of completing the three peat. He's been sacked
thirty six times, He's got a high ankle sprain. If
he's healthy, they hoist the trophy in my opinion, but
this guy has taken a beating this year.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
All right, what's under the tree for the Pittsburgh Steelers
this year?
Speaker 1 (36:20):
I'm gonna give Mike Tomlin a fire extinguisher. So when
Russ gets to cooking and almost burns the house down.
He's got three giveaways in the last two games, forty
one touchdowns, twelve picks over the last two seasons. Sometimes
Russ cooks and it gets a little too hot, and
Tomlin would rather win with Najie Harris in the defense.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
All right, you love Sam Darnald on the Vikings. What
do we get for them on this person?
Speaker 1 (36:47):
How about one of those Norse drinking horns so they
can celebrate their success like their namesake. Thirteen and two
eight game winning streak. Does Donald look like a Viking?
Speaker 3 (36:58):
He does?
Speaker 1 (36:59):
I know he's from the sunny southern California beaches. He
looks like Game of Thrones territory to me.
Speaker 5 (37:05):
All right, sticking in the NFC North Pole, what are
we gifting the packers?
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Let's give them the clutch gene or at least a
pair of clutch jeans the Brett Farv specials Jordan Love
and Week eleven or later over the.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Last two years eleven and three. Yeah, that's the old Farv.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Add a pair of clutch geans like Brett Farv the Gunslinger.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
Yes, love it well, I know that my jets are
getting a lump of coal from me.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
But what do you give me? Let me think about this.
The New York Jets tough season.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
Let's give Whatdy Johnson a Dolorean so he can go
back in time and change a few things. Nine straight
seasons with a losing record, the longest active streak in
the NFL.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Look back to the Back to the Future vehicle.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
All right, what about Kyl Shanahana the Niners? What are
they getting Christmas?
Speaker 1 (37:57):
A lot of drama, a lot of noise with brand
and a uked bow last year. Now with brock Perty's contract,
how about some ear muffs to keep out all the
chatter for the next six months? Who needs a headset?
Let's give Kyle shad Ahead ear muffs.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
To keep out the pretty contract extension noise.
Speaker 5 (38:17):
And finally, everybody in Cleveland needs holidays. Here, Colin, what
are we gifting the Cleveland Browns? I know what.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
I'm gonna give them a prescription of ozeviic so they
can cut the dead weight into shan Watson oh ninety
two million over the next two seasons.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
We got one more, don't we There's one more? There
isn't there.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
That's all that's on my sheet.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
I don't know one more.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
Yeah, fine, fine, the NFL is gonna give the NBA
because Christmas Day has always been historically NBA Day. But
the NFL is gonna give the NBA. They're gonna a
little stocking stuffer. They're gonna regift some of the NFL's
viewers to the NBA.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Is that a cheap shot?
Speaker 3 (38:57):
That might be a low blow? You might hear from
the APR on that one. Should they be watching?
Speaker 2 (39:02):
All right?
Speaker 1 (39:03):
There you go, Happy Holidays, Happy Christmas, blah blah blah,
all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
From my TVs you got at home. You have multiple
TVs going for the NBA and NFL.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Yeah, I always do. You do too, don't you? Of course?
Speaker 5 (39:17):
And I have a remote control that works, so I
don't need to like worry, just switch the channel.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
No, I think. I think if I look at the
NFL season, there's a couple of things that jump out
to me.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
I will say this now.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
I don't want to get braggy because every week I
do Colin Wright, Colin Wrong, I do that every week.
But do you realize if Michael Pennox and Atlanta can
maintain their division lead and Baltimore, which is tied with Pittsburgh,
but Pittsburgh loses to the Chiefs, I will have gotten
(39:49):
seven out of eight divisions right, and called the Washington
Commanders as the surprise playoff team and said Denver would
be the double your win total vague is his wrong team.
And the Cowboys and the Niners I call them teams
with big winning ways.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
The last three years. That would start a significant regression.
Not terrible.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
Picks have stunk pretty good offseason.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
You've had an amazing year of picks.
Speaker 5 (40:17):
I'm trying to think in the NFC, if the Falcons
win the division and they get the they would have
the four seed. Right, would they host the Vikings in
the playoffs? I think so, and Kirk Cousins would be
on the bench with Michael Pennock starting. Everybody's banging on
the Cousins move. There's no guarantee Penis would have been
(40:38):
as good as he was against the Giants, the worst
team in the league in Week one. Cousins got you
two wins over the Buccaneers. You can say whatever you want,
Kirk Cousins, whatever the cost is, got you two wins
over the Buccaneers. That's the tiebreaker. So if Pennix can
win you. You can bang on that contract all you want.
Tampa's a good team.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
They beat him twice.
Speaker 5 (41:00):
Look strange that Kirk Cousins is facing the Vikings who
cut him loose last year, and Kirk Cousins is.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
On the bench in the playoff game. No, I think.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
I think once you make the playoffs, you are so
gratified in this league to make the playoffs and host
a playoff game.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
Well, the Falcons are, but not Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Well, I think here's another thing. I think Donald, I
think the Cults are going to make a big run
at Darnald. I think the Vikings probably keep him. I
think Kirk Cousins a year to rehab. Keep your eye
on the keep your eye on the Raiders, keep your
eye on some of these teams. On Kirk Cousins for
one year. Can he come in for a year and
(41:40):
get get his fastball back and stabilize an unstable, turbulent,
chaotic organization. So I don't think Kirk Cousins is done.
I think Aaron struggled post injury until the last month.
Cousins was better early and has struggled in.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
The last few The Raiders.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
Do you want Cousins or Rogers.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
Probably can power three next.
Speaker 6 (42:03):
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