March 13, 2025 • 42 mins
Colin casts doubt on the Thunder as title contenders despite getting a big win over the Celtics and having the best record in the West
He defends Aaron Rodgers taking time to decide where he wants to play in 2025 with reports saying he is holding teams "hostage"
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Thanks for making us part of your day. Jmac, Paul
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Pierstopspire show today. Uh, you know, that's a good time
we've had. We've had a very very fun week. There's
still the Aaron Rodgers situation. We'll get into Russell Wilson,
Kirk cousin. So they're eight. Now what I'm really excited
about for the first time this year, here's I do.
I am dropping my NFC predictions. You gotta have four
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new teams between the AFC and the NFC. Today, I'll
do the Fox Conference, I'll do NFC. I've got three
new playoff teams. I will do the AFC tomorrow at
the top of the second hour. You know, I take
a lot of time on that. I came in with
my notes in my pocket this morning. So I've looked
at schedules, I've looked at free agency. I've looked at
coaching moves. Most of the free agency has done except
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old quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Did you look at the Bears schedule closely? I'm hearing
top five toughest schedule.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
In THEE Sure, yeah, I think you'll like it. One
hour from now, let's start with this Celtics loss to Oka.
See what do I make of it? A lot of people,
myself included, think that's very likely. That is the NBA
Championship preview. What do I make of it? Boston is
a team that can often be weird at home. They're
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just a weird home team. They're better on the road
this year. And number two is really good. Really deep
teams without a title yet, OKC. Remember the old Bulls
teams with Derrick Rose. They play their butt off in
the regular season. So the regular season is about depth
and intensity. If you have a lot of bodies and
you play hard every night home and away, and you
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have one great player and SGA is certainly that you're
gonna win a lot of games. Plus Boston couldn't shoot
last night. So but we all know this. I never
overreact to this. I said it about Cleveland last year,
I'll say it about Okay. See this year, I said
it about the Derreck Rose Bulls forever. Playoff basketball and
regular season basketball are two different things. Think about it
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this way. Regular season basketball is babysitting. Playoff basketball is
parenting same kids every night, couple of weeks, no days off,
always discomfort. That's playoff basketball. You're not just waltzing in
the town. You're more rested. You throw a bunch of
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bodies at them. You play your arse off. The Celtics
have a trophy. The Celtics have the better team. And
I mean, you can't fool the players. I saw this.
Brian Windhorst, who does a great job, says NBA players
don't respect the thunder as contenders this year. That's what
players think because they understand it. You can't fool them.
The Celtics don't really have a weakness. Okase has several
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The average age is twenty four and a half. Those
teams don't win the title. They're arguably second best player.
Chet Holmgren gets hurt a lot. And number three is
they play like ten guys. You play like seven to
eight in the playoffs. So one of their real strengths,
which is depth, you're not going to have that in
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the playoffs. And the other thing I throw out there
is young teams tend to be great at home and
not very good on the r in the playoffs. And
that is okay see. So you know, in the regular season,
I would suspect last night, you know, okay see, wanted
to make an imprint. They're also trying to win their
star in MVP. Celtics don't care about that crap. Take
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the NFL the Kansas City Chiefs experiment in the regular season.
You know who doesn't the Buffalo Bills and the Baltimore Ravens.
They're great in the regular season. But who's usually great
in the AFC in the postseason? We know who The
answer is Kansas City. So Jalen Brown, you got to
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give them credit, But this doesn't mean much to me.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
That boy good, you know what I mean? That boy
is good. You know, big fan of his game. You know,
shifty on crafty around the basket, knows how to use
his body well, draws fouls. He has been hitting the
three ball well too. You know, tough. Definitely a guy
that you know, you watch and you study to be
better if we ended up playing him down the line.
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But now he's a tough cover. He's been playing some
good basketball. And you got to tip your cat.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Absolutely, that's what you do. That's what you did with
the Derreck Rose Bulls. You tip their cap. They had
a bunch of dudes. They could play. They had a
rock star. They're trying to win him MVP. They're playing
their butt off. Everybody freaks out. But I didn't trust him.
In the postseason, Lebron came in, squashed their dreams. Okase,
Luca Lebron, Austin Reeves, Ruey Jackson, Hayes, more experience, be
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a better road team than Oklahoma City is in the playoffs.
Take a deep breath. I still have Boston winning it all. Okay,
So this is interesting. So former NFL GM Doug Whaley
was talking on a Pittsburgh podcast and he says, basically,
Aaron Rodgers is holding the Pittsburgh Steelers and the New
York Giants hostage. There was a picture of Aaron Rodgers
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that made the Internet in Malibu, and he's got earphones
in and blanket over his shoulder. It says it is
unclear if he was listening to music, a podcast, or
perhaps taking a call from his agents concerning his next team.
Sources tell me he was listening to The Herd. Damn right,
he was, absolutely and his takeaway as that show is
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fresh and who knew Colin took magnesium. So let me
defend Aaron Rodgers here. The Steelers and the Giants have
backed themselves into a corner because the Giants have been
reaching on quarterbacks and then Steelers have been ignoring the
position until it's you know, late free agency. For a
long time, these two teams, the Giants and the Steelers
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are being willingly detained, is the way I'd put it.
And you know, Giants have made too many bad choices upstairs,
and the Steelers don't take quarterbacks seriously enough. So and
as for Aaron Rodgers, I would be walking on a
beach looking very sad if at forty one years old,
the Giants and the Steelers were my last two options.
There's a report out there it could be Minnesota, but
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I'm just going to defend Aaron here. It's March thirteenth,
and he was just officially released by the Jets yesterday. Okay,
so he's gone from a darkness retreat to Egypt in
the summer to walking on the beach in Malibu. I
see that as personal growth. I think he's actually getting somewhere.
And I'll tell you, and I don't feel bad for
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teams who can't get their act together. The Giants front
office is bad, and the Steelers lack of urgency at
quarterback and tone deaf sensibility to offense is their problem.
So I mean to me, Aaron Rodgers has earned a
walk on the beach to contemplate he got officially released yesterday.
He's a hard guy to figure out. There's a story
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out there about the Minnesota Vikings. I said this yesterday,
and I am totally in the minority. I would take
the New York Giants over the Steelers. I get an
offensive coach, I get a great left tackle, I've got
an excellent receiving one weapon who doesn't appear to be
as needy as Pittsburgh's too, And the things they and
that got some actually some pretty decent defensive personnel. Also,
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the Steelers spend too much money on defense, where it
does feel like the Giants would rather spend money on offense.
So I like the Giants. By the way, both divisions
are tough. So yeah, you're gonna have to face the Eagles,
and yeah you're gonna have to face the Ravens. Yeah
you're gonna have to face Jaden Daniels. Yeah you're gonna
have to face Joe Burrow. It's the NFL. Not everything
can be the NFC South. Okay, So my take is
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I'll take the offensive coach who's worked with Josh Allen.
All take the left tackle, all take neighbors, all take
you know, the Giants need a running back in a
tight end. By the way, it's a very good draft
for running back in the tight end. I like the
Giants situation. Here was Albert Breer yesterday on Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Pittsburgh saying, look, we just need somebody to put us
over the top of the position. So I do wonder
if that's gonna be a factor in his decision making. Again,
only he knows, and he's very private about these things,
and I don't know what the timeline is.
Speaker 5 (09:02):
It could happen in ten minutes. It could happen in
ten days.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
But you know, I do think you know, we're all
a product of our own experiences, and I and I
look at this like Pittsburgh offers him as something that's
a little bit different than what he went through with
the Jets, where I think the Giants would be asking
him to do something similar to what the Jets were
asking him to do a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
And to that, I would say, He's right, the Giants
would need him a little bit as a savior. But
I'm gonna make the argument Mike Tomlin and the Steelers
need saving. Two two receivers who are demanding the ball
on offense, can't get the O line right, just lost
their left tackle, just lost their number one running back. Okay,
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so you've had a dramat wide receiver, less talented at
left tackle, less talented at the backfield. Pittsburgh shown no
ability to get the offensive line right. We look at
the Giants, We look at the New York Giants as
a mess who they need saving. I'm here to argue offensively,
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the Pittsburgh Steelers need saving. That's the difference here. We
view the Steeler, isn't it the last three or four
playoff games, the Steelers have it in. They've been behind
by at least twenty one points in each of them.
They're not a viable AFC championship team at all, and
the Giants aren't a viable team in the NFC for
a championship. Well, the difference is I get an offensive coach,
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a great left tackle, a good weapon, and a team
willing to spend money on the right side of the ball.
So I would take the Giants. I don't think that's
where he's gonna end up. I think he's gonna go
to the Steelers. But I would go with the Giants.
And I know it doesn't mean anything, but I got
my house, I got my left tackle, I got my coach,
I got my weapon. And I do think the Giants
at least understand they gonna spend some money on offense
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because they're defensive personnel actually is pretty good. Steelers defensive
personnel is better. Giants isn't terrible. So there you go,
j Mac. I'm feeling it with ar. That walk on
the beach in Malibu. That pensive look.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
A nice usage of pensive. Did you do magnesium last
night or no?
Speaker 1 (11:10):
I did, and I slept so well the night before.
It didn't have the same effectiveness, but it still worked.
It made me groggy enough to fall asleep.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
Okay, all right, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
I'm just glad two folks right now are going to
be irrelevant next year. The Dallas Cowboys and Aaron Rodgers.
Neither of them are going to matter in the NFL. Well,
I think it's gonna be an awesome season and we
don't even need those two guys.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Well, that's true. That's the power now that this is
not baseball or the NBA. You need certain brands.
Speaker 5 (11:36):
That carries out for the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
It's like I thought the Steelers have been. I think
the Steelers have been irrelevant frankly the last several years.
I think the Cowboys were irrelevant last year.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
When you make the playoffs irrelevant.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
But like in terms of title contending Steelers, by the
way offensive line issues, I don't love them.
Speaker 5 (11:52):
I don't love the right.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
People think the Giants are a wreck offensively, so are
the Steelers. So are the Steelers. At least the Giants
have a offensive coach and a great left tackle. At
least I get that. But I mean, if you look
at the Steelers and the Giants offensive ratings. It's you know,
they're both bad.
Speaker 5 (12:11):
They're in Jets territory. That's that's what that is right
there on the screen.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
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Speaker 6 (12:37):
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Speaker 1 (12:45):
All right, welcome back. I saw this story the Niners
very very interesting last couple days for San Francisco moving
off six seven reny good players and free agency. So
the Niners gave Brock pretty extra comp competition. They have
signed Mac Jones to a two year deal. So this
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single move is why drafting quarterbacks in the NFL is
so hard. So Brock Purty played with Iowa state guys,
Mac Jones played with Great Bama guys, and it fooled
every single NFL GM, not a single one had brought Purdy,
who was absolutely a much better quarterback than mac Jones.
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No NFL GM thought that mac Jones seventy seven percent
completion of percentage in the SEC forty one touchdowns thirteen games.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Uh, but we.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Discovered when mac Jones doesn't get his way, when it's
not an easy ride, when he has to play from
behind without a great offensive line, he folded not a
lot of inner toughness, bit of a temper bid and mature,
not liked in the locker room. We found that Brock,
Perty's a pretty dark and good athlete, actually came in
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as the number three quarterback to San Francisco and fought
like hell to become number one. So they don't have
a lot in common. But what of Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen,
and Brock pretty ev in common. They didn't come from
traditional powers, they had to overcome, They had to create
their own college offense. They didn't throw to five star receivers.
They often took a beating. They often lacked a run game,
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and this is precisely why I like Shaduur Sanders in
the NFL draft more than NFLGMS. No run game worst
than Power five football last two years no offensive line,
but Shaduur Sanders had to initiate his own offense and
was pretty productive. And so it did Brock pretty. Did
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Brock pretty have a great arm? Because I hear Shadhar
Sander didn't have a great arm. Does Brock pretty? I
hear Shador Sanders, Well, I know that athletic. He's at
least his athletic as Brock pretty. They both process well,
they're both accurate. This is what I say about should
Or Sanders watch what he played with, not just who
he played against. Not a lot of NFL O linemen
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or running backs at Colorado. So his college experience for
shad Or Sanders, it looks just like a lot of
the Iowa State stuff. In fact, I'd argue Iowa State
had better players than Colorado in some instances. So this
is why drafting quarterbacks is tough. Outside of anonymous trolls,
everybody makes mistakes. Jmack with the News, No, no, no,
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turn on the news.
Speaker 6 (15:34):
This is the herd line news.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
I love it, love it when you go after anonymous
trolls college. But let's start with the Detroit Lions and
Ben Johnson. He leaves the Lions, goes to the Bears,
and oh my gosh, what an offseason your Bears.
Speaker 5 (15:51):
We gotta call him your Bears, right is that?
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Oh well, in forty five minutes, we'll find out what
I think about the Bears.
Speaker 5 (15:58):
They've been one of the biggest winner in free agency.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
The biggest winner.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Joe Toney, Jonah Jackson and Drew Dolman will fortify the
offensive line.
Speaker 5 (16:06):
Here's Johnson yesterday talking about the addition.
Speaker 7 (16:09):
We want some tough, some gritty, some dirty individuals, and
we feel pretty good about the two guys we got.
Smart is a word that comes to mind, particularly with
the interior players. We need guys that we love to
have some versatility to our scheme, some multiplicity, if you will.
I'm really really excited to get these guys in the room.
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Combined with the coaches coaches that we've already put together
for that room, I feel really good about the style
of play we'll have this year.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Those are really good pickups. Close to the football guys,
smart guys.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
I saw that they had the twenty fourth rated offensive
line last season.
Speaker 5 (16:48):
Killer william usacks sixty eight times.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Now, by the way, they have a good right tackle,
young guy who looks like he's the right guy. So
between these three guys in the right tackle, that will
be a top eight O line this year.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
Maybe.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
By the way, that's what Sean Payton did in Denver.
Remember bad till like seventh watch the watch the Bears
all line, and if the all line's good, then they
get gent watch out maybe super Bowl here.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
We come com But let's be real.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
One of the issues they had was Caleb Williams just
holding the ball forever. Remember the backyard football that he
did at USC Maybe because it was the offensive line
was a great in Chicago. He just held the ball forever. No,
and like you, I don't think that's gonna automatically like click,
just aus the offensive line is better. This might be
a slow ish start and then it builds up. But Colin,
I mentioned the schedule. Have you looked at the opponents
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that the Bears have to face the season?
Speaker 5 (17:39):
It is brutal. Okay, yeah, yeah, undaunted.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
I looked at the Chargers schedule last year. It was brutal.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
They made the playoffs, yeah they did, they did.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
They got Washington. Schedule was brutal. They made the NFC Championship.
Detroit schedule was brutal. So Just my takeaway is just
think of the coaching Caleb Williams had to endure last year.
Now watch the coaching against with Ben Johnson. If you
don't think coaching matters for a young quarterback, I mean,
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do you think Bo Nicks was aided a little bit
by coaching a little bit? Do you think Sam Darnold
this past year was aided a little bit by coaching
Caleb Williams. Weren't they on like a quarterback passing coordinators
the head coach someone?
Speaker 6 (18:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (18:22):
I mean that was the Jets and the Bears. You're
dealing with guys who shouldn't even be coordinators.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Run on the show, all right, So we're booking tickets
for the Bears.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Well, why I want to be there already. Maybe you
can stop by and FC Championship at the Soldier Field
hosting it.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Speaking of free agency, next story is Russell Wilson still
available and there's a lot of uncertainty where a land.
The Steelers haven't ruled out bringing Russ back, but they're
not really talking about it.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
Remember there was the justin Field stuff.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Well, Russ is taking meetings with the Browns today, Cleveland Browns,
who just got Kenny Pickett and are drafting second.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
That's bizarre to me. And the New York Giants tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Russ of course went on Instagram and posted one of
these cool things.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
There's a couple.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
There's a lot of swearing with this. He's fired up,
He's fired I don't like all that swearing.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
That nobody wants me.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
There's a reason you go to a hotel. They got
a Bible in the drawer. Trying to clean your act
up on the road.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
Clean it up.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Russ cleaned it up a little bit there.
Speaker 5 (19:23):
Either of these does that do anything? Being rush to
the Cleveland Browns?
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Does it do anything for me? The Cleveland Browns rarely
do anything for me. I like the coach, coach, I
like a lot.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
What about Russ with Moliku, neighbors and the Giants.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
It doesn't do much for me. The Giants, regardless of
the quarterback or not, unless they get you to or Sanders
that that excites.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Yeah, on some level, you have to wonder what Russ
is thinking, Like, hey man, Justin Fields was fine.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
I came on, we were what ten eleven?
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Ye know what's weird? I was thinking about that and like,
nobody wants me. So the biggest cities in the country
are New York in LA and LA is always thinking
about star power. I mean, Dean Spannels would tell you
Harbaugh was gonna be we needed big. And the Lakers
had a D and they're like, no, no, we want
to upgrade to Luca. And the Rams had GoF and
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they're like, no, we want to we want an upgrade.
The Giants are like a Midwest football team, like you're
New York. If you can get Shador Sanders, that's exciting.
Aaron Russ Cousins. I mean, if the Giants were in
Los Angeles, I can tell you what the LA football
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team would do. They would draft Dion Sanders kid because
he's pretty good. So it's weird when I look at
the Giants, it's a great question by you. Does any
of this do anything for you? The New York Giants
are boring and they're in New York. I mean that's
what George Steinbenner ohways understood. He'd fire Billy Martin higher,
fire high. The bottom line be interesting. It manors in
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New York. There's too many things to do for people.
In the summer. For baseball, people get in their car,
they head to the Hamptons, they had wherever they go.
It's like, I look at the Giants, and that's a
great question. Like in Pittsburgh, everybody's gonna watch regardless. In
Cleveland people watch regardless. New York, Chicago, La Man, you
got to make an effort to be interesting and great.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
I remember, like Thanksgiving, the Holidays, Christmas in New York is.
Speaker 5 (21:18):
So exciting and fun.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Nobody wants to go to a Giants game when they're terrible, Like,
I just don't see anything there. Listen, I'm hammering them
a little too hard. The Jets, they're not gonna be great.
Speaker 5 (21:29):
But let's wrap up the first hour with a good
New York team. And that's my Knicks. What a finish
last night.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Look at Michel bridges ware in overtime, Nick's win by one,
lots of stuff from the Villanova star.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Watch the crowd in Portland. Watch it's weird.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
There were a lot of Knicks falls.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, a lot of let me see look
at that.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
They were loud.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
If you watch the video and listen and got the
cool celebration.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
New York's everywhere.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
However, Colin, the biggest story about the win came after
the game because Bridges told coach Tom Thibodeau the starters
need to play fewer minutes.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
He's right, He's one hundred percent right.
Speaker 5 (22:07):
I've been saying this for months.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Bridges said that Thibodeau received the message and he's not
arguing about it. I don't know what that means. The
Knicks lead the NBA in minutes played by starters. There's
no minutes per game. The Knicks have three of the
top six this yes, and by the way, is eighteen.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
And by the way, I like tips, but nothing drives
me crazier than multiple time fired coach who can't move
off his system. TIBs. Take four to six minutes a
night off all those players. You're gonna make the playoffs. Seating,
the seating doesn't matter. There's enough veterans on the Knicks.
They can win road playoff games. They're not okay. See,
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it doesn't matter. You want to get at least one
home playoff series reward the fans right, get home court,
win a series at home. The Knicks are built these things.
I mean, Brunchon's been around, CAP's been around this. Mikhale Bridges,
these are veteran players that can win road games like
you and I know this. If OKC played the Lakers,
I can guarantee you Lebron and Luke are built to
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win road games. They're older players. So to me, just
when I see this, whenever I see a coach that's
been fired three times, Like, I get, when you get
fired one. I mean in most pro sports, and I
even get if you went to a second place and
we're there forever, you can get fired. But when you
start being like you start getting to it, you've been
fired twice, you move to a place and you're still
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doing the thing that people complained about on the way out.
That I don't get.
Speaker 5 (23:36):
I mean, the Knicks fans are like, oh no, we're falling.
We're not going to be third in the East. It's
the same nonsense with Laker fans.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
They're like, oh my gosh, Lakers, they're gonna be fourth
or fifth.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
It doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
You need your stars healthy, you need Brunson, you need Bridges,
you need Lebron.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
And I think these coaches are just it's frustrating, especially Tibet.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Yeah, j Maack within the news, Well.
Speaker 6 (23:59):
That's the news, and thanks for stopping by the herd.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Line new it's really interesting. So I think the Bears,
in my opinion, New England and the Bears had in
Washington had very good free agent week and Washington some
of it was just resigning, you know, Zach Ertz, Bobby Wagner,
some of it was that. Some of it was getting
Debo and Laramie Tunzel. But I really like where Chicago
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really concentrated guard center guard. That's where we're going to
get better. And I mean they got two stars, Drew
Dolman and Joe Tunier stars, two of the best interior
O linemen in the league. And then Jonah Jackson will start.
So it wasn't like it was scattershot. It was like
Bears are like, we're getting better right up front. And
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so it's interesting. One of the players for the Lions,
amor On Saint Brown, was on a podcast this week
talking about all the money Chicago has.
Speaker 8 (25:00):
I feel like the Bears have unlimited money. It's crazy.
They just signing news for.
Speaker 9 (25:05):
Like forty boom, Hey yeah boom, Jonah Jackson, Bang, Jude Donmond,
bang Dao, go ahead, ad ingbo another.
Speaker 8 (25:23):
I saw yea a crazy amount of money. Grady Jared bang,
Like they're just breaking everybody off.
Speaker 5 (25:29):
Line for cald I got unlimited money.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Is this?
Speaker 2 (25:33):
I mean the cat face is probably catch face.
Speaker 8 (25:36):
I mean hot bends just making moves. That's it, right.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
So it's first of all, he's just great. His podcast
is great. It's a great player. Amor On Saint Brown
impossible not to like. So he even dyed his hair
of the team color. I mean, come on, you gotta
like the guy. So, but it's interesting about Detroit. I've
got family in Detroit, my wife's family, so huge Lion
fans every where the Lions are entering. It's really interesting
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here they're pivoting to a different phase where they're now
the hunted. They've won back to back division titles. They're hunted.
They now draft their draft picks that they hit on
like Pine sueal Amaran, Saint Brown. Now they got paying
big money. So they've moved into employee retention phase. Now
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their coordinators are getting poched, and go ask the Philadelphia Eagles.
When you get elite coordinators poached and you miss on
the next coordinators, things go sideways fast. And that's for Philadelphia. Also,
you're not picking at the top to get Pinae Sue,
Aiden Hutchison. Now you're picking at the bottom of the first, second,
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and third round. By the way, last year they went
and got a cornerback from Bama. He ranked sixty seventh
in the NFL at corner because he was bottom of
the first round, which is like a graveyard. There are
more in the first round from like the twenty third
pick to the thirty first. Well that's where the that's
where the Lions are going to be picking from this
point forward. So San Francisco was stacked for six years,
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no rings. They're in a semi rebuild. The window closes quickly.
I say this all the time. I thought Pete Carroll,
Russell Wilson, Marshawn Lynch, Richard Sherman. I thought that thing
was going to be a four six year dynasty. Two trips,
one ring, see you later. San Francisco a couple of trips,
no rings, see you later. So Philadelphia because they have
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the best GM in the league, and I love the
Lions front office. But it is interesting now it's you
start looking around and the Giants just changed their entire
o line and and last year it was receivers. Now,
by the way, and I'll say it again, Caleb Williams
gets elite coaching like Jayden Daniels got last year with coaching,
or what bo Nicks got last year with coaching. Okay,
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so it's a different ballgame and Detroit, and again I
have Detroit in thirty five minutes. We'll see where I
picked them. But they do remind me a little bit
of you know, Philadelphia. Now, Philadelphia got it, but they
moved off coordinators and it went sideways within like eight games.
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So and I did not love Aaron Glenn and Ben
Johnson are I mean, there was an argument the two
best coordinators in football last year Detroit had both. What
are the chances that you hire two coordinators and they're
better than those guys? The chances are zero. One of
your new coordinators will not hit. They won't one may
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may one won't. Can we be totally frank here the
new offensive coordinator, I'm gonna say it right now, probably
not as good as Ben Johnson, Probably not going to
be that good by the way the Eagles found out,
We're gonna hire a guy, yeah, not as good as
Shane Steichen And dealing with quarterbacks, it's tough, all right.
Top of the hour, my NFC predictions. Very excited. I've
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got three new playoff teams. It was this time last
year when I said Washington will make the playoffs. You
laughed at me. It was hurtful things worked out, but
good for the podcaster who Aaron Rodgers listened to yesterday
on the Beach. That's all I'm gonna say.
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East Tournament Quarterfinals dip Ball on FS one. First at
six thirty Eastern Jack Paul takes on Creighton. Then at
nine thirty Roleanova battles You've got.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
I'll watched a lot of college basketball in NBA this weekend.
I did. Michigan State can't score, but in college basketball
a lot of times the offense is basically just dump
it down to the big guy. That's Michigan and Michigan State.
Michigan State can't shoot and will be like one of
the top seeds, so it's you know, in college basketball,
(31:04):
there are very few teams that have offensive depth. You
win with coaching and defense, and sometimes you can have
one great offensive player. Michigan State does not, so we
may get Tom Izowan before the tournament. Mark Feue Gonzaga.
Now that team generally has really good offense. So Josh
Allen that new contract he signed one of the reasons
I liked it, And I've always said this, with great
(31:25):
superstar players, pay him early. Everybody else be patient. I
have no problem signing Josh Allen to another big deal.
By the way, he did not break the bank. And
what does that tell you that outside of all his
unbelievable physical traits, he's also got an emotional one and
an intelligence. He gets the big picture. That's why winning
matters the most. That's why Tom Brady signed a massive
(31:49):
deal with Fox when he left the NFL. The winning
thing because Kirk Cousins made more money playing football than
Tom Brady. Tom Brady was the winning thing. And I've
taught about this before. Michael Jordan and Iverson were iconic,
huge in pop culture, one six rings, one nun wire.
(32:13):
Businesses still throwing money at mj. It's the winning If
Michael Jordan, as great as he was, was two and
fourg INN finals, it wouldn't feel the same. So individual
success in pro sports makes people like you. Individual success
(32:33):
with team success makes you a legend. And that's the difference.
Dan Marino maybe the most talented quarterback to ever get
into pads is talked about less than Eli Manning, who
was a completely mediocre regular season quarterback. So Taylor Swift
is dating Travis Kelce, not the Jacksonville Jaguars tight end.
(32:56):
There's a reason winning makes you more attractive to everybody, Broadcast, networks, advertisers, teammates,
iconic status. A lot of guys have that, a lot
of guys are popular, a lot of guys are rich,
and NBA, NFL Baseball, they're all rich. You know, scoring
titles is not what people talk about twenty years later.
(33:18):
Karl Malone was like third all time in scoring two
years ago. Nobody talks about him. Nobody talks about Dan Marino,
not blaming him. Rory McElroy was talking to Golf Digest
last year and he said, I'm in way better financial
position now than I was a decade ago, and my
life is no different, same three or four rooms in
my house. So congratulations on the ninth car for all
(33:39):
pro athletes. But Josh Allen sums it up, I didn't
want to bankrupt my team.
Speaker 13 (33:44):
When you start getting these fairly big numbers throughout the
entire league, you know, it's weird to say this, but
what's what's five more going to do for my life
that I can't already do right now. I wasn't looking
to to absolutely kill them in every chance that I could,
And I told my agent that I was like, Hey,
(34:04):
if this this has any impact on the pack or
impact on the cap, I should say, let's figure out
a way to not do that.
Speaker 9 (34:14):
You know.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
And by the way, the game day revenue for Buffalo
is not as good as like Los Angeles or Philadelphia
or you know. So the truth of the matter is
so much in this NFL Buffalo is not a big
free agent market. It doesn't have massive game day revenue.
They don't charge those prices, so you know, they that
bank account may not be as big as Jeffrey Lowrie's
(34:34):
of Philadelphia. So there's a lot of things to consider
when you play in Buffalo or Green Bay, Like what's
the house cost in Buffalo? What's it? What are the
taxes in Buffalo compared to like an LA. So you know,
to me, like Matt Stafford could have gone and made
more money. You're in Los Angeles. You have Sean McVay,
you have Puka Nakua, you have one of the richest owners.
(34:56):
So I look at Buffalo and I'm like, the front
office appears to be capable, really solid ownership, really solid
B plus coach, great left tackle, so you get protected.
They've got a great running back. And I said this
for years and years about Dwayne Wade. Dwayne Wade's an
all time great player. I love everybody love Dwayne Wade,
(35:16):
but you have to think about this stuff. So Dwayne
Wade gets drafted out of Marquette, goes up in cold weather,
and ends up in Miami. Great owner Mickey Errison, best
GM in the league. Pat Riley ends up getting Eric
spolsterra a top three coach, no state tax. The NBA
(35:39):
is a winter league, the best winter weather in America. Like,
there's got to I mean, if you're not considering that stuff,
you're nuts. I've moved four times across country. I consider everything.
So look's like Aaron Rodgers and the Giants and the Steelers.
I don't have to sell my house. I have an
offensive coach, I have a great weapon, I have a
great left tackle. That stuff matters. Not just well, Pittsburgh's
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got a better roster. Pittsburgh's offense is no better with
Aaron Rodgers than New York's would be. It's a bunch
of high maintenance wide receivers and they can't get their
own line right, and they put draft capital into it.
So it's to me, it's about winning, it's about keeping
the band together. And I mean, I don't even need
to mention certain quarterbacks in this league. They want to
(36:22):
make every penny congrats. How many cars in houses? Do
you want to win games? That's what it comes down now. Now,
I will say this, when Brady was taking pay cuts forever,
I would have had a problem because I think Buffalo
drafts pretty well. I think Buffalo, so I'll give up
some money. Are you spending it wisely? I think they have.
(36:45):
They've tried to get him wide receivers, Amari Cooper, Stefon Diggs.
So Buffalo has tried to use the money to help him.
Kin Kay the tight end, first round pick, James Cook excellent.
They paid Dean Dawkins, So Buffalo what used to drive
me crazy for? And I said this when I worked
at the other place. He was taking pay cuts as
the league's best quarterback. What do they have to show
(37:06):
for it? They never drafted a good receiver they wouldn't
spend any big money in a wide receiver. So now
Brady won. But at the end, Tom left New England
not because of the weather, in Belichick, he left because
New England had no skill people, so they were taking
money from Tom forever and he didn't see the benefit
of it. I don't have a problem if I give
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back a little bit to my company. If I feel
I'm getting value. Is my staff good, do I have
good support, marketing promotion, I can give it up Brady.
At the end, I was like, just go to Tampa.
I mean, I've set it on the air like Tampa's
got Chris Godwin, take Gronk with you, Mike Evans, Bruce Arians,
go to Tampa, great GM you'll have a bunch of
(37:48):
good players. But I do feel in Buffalo giving it
back is they go out and they try to get
players to help you. It seems to me they've drafted
pretty well. Maybe not as good as Philadelphia, but they're
a top ten drafting team. I'm okay with that. I've
said this for years about Green Bay, Brett Farbara and Rogers,
Jordan Love. I would take less to play for the Packers.
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They always have a good offensive line. Always when's the
last time the Packers had a terrible offensive line? They
always have a smart offensive coach. They don't get as
many free agents. But what do you have to spend
for a house? I mean, you're spending a million and
a half dollars for a house. You're paying twenty eight
million for a house in Westchester County. If you play
for the Jets or Giants, or in Los Angeles on
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the beach, you're paying a million and a half. In
Green Bay you got less taxes. Always a good old line,
always an offensive coach. And by the way, the media
in Buffalo and Green Bay is not this relentless attack dog.
That matters as well. My wife used to work in
the corporate world. She contends Buffalo as the nicest people
in the world. She's like, everybody bangs on Buffalo in
(38:54):
the weather. She's like, I love going to Buffalo. The
nicest people in the world, and there's value in that.
So that is one of the things about the NFL
that's great is that you can argue the three places
in the league that treat the players the best are
Green Bay, Buffalo in Kansas City, like three of the
smallest markets. So I would just take less to be
a packer. I would currently take less in Buffalo. I
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feel the value additive by you know, I mean, good God,
if it snows twelve feet one day, your neighbors come
in with blowers and clear the driveway. They're not doing that.
They're not necessarily doing that. In Philadelphia. If you're on
two game losing streak, all right, J Mac.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
In Philadelphia, you're winning super bowls. In Buffalo, you're not
getting that's being said. Buffalo is my super Bowl pick
for this coming season. I think I got them coming out.
Speaker 5 (39:46):
It's early. Let's see the order of the sea.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
I mean, and I'm serious about this. There are places
in the NFL that I would take less. Green Bay's
at the top.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
So much matters, Colin. Where you are in your career.
You know, are you potentially a free agent? Who the
quarterback is?
Speaker 1 (40:03):
Like?
Speaker 5 (40:03):
There's a lot I wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
I wouldn't take a penny less to play for the
Jets because I know the ownership's impulsive. I got a
deal with the kids in the locker room. I want
every penny out of the Jets, every penny, and I'm
getting taxed to death. I'm taking every penny with the Jets.
If I was a star quarterback, but I I Buffalo
Kansas City. I mean, if I got Andy Reid or
Sean McVay or Matt Lafleur, I'm taking I'm gonna say,
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and I said this about d Wade. I love d Wade.
You're hitting the lottery when you get Spolster up Riley.
You're in a winner league. It's aqua water, no state tax.
And I don't know what d Wade's financial situation was,
but he moved up to Chicago for a couple of years,
remember or a year. He's like, I'm going back to
the aqua watery.
Speaker 12 (40:46):
I get it.
Speaker 5 (40:47):
By the way, you mentioned Chicago.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
I'm looking at this Bears opponents for next season. Oh,
come on, Colin, it is Dave. I don't know if
they're gonna win one game on the road.
Speaker 5 (40:55):
Oh brutal. You have me to rattle them off.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
You give me, give me, Okay.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
So the division folks, we know Detroit, Green Bay and Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Okay. By the way, those teams also have to go.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
To Chicago non divisional matchup a right now at Baltimore
at Cincinnati, ooh, scary at Philadelphia that's a loss at Washington.
Speaker 5 (41:14):
When at San Francisco when and then at the Raiders.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
When maybe Washington's a loss. By the way, if you
can win again.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
As that's brutal, you have to admit that is probably
the toughest road schedule.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
If I don't have them winning thirteen games.
Speaker 5 (41:31):
You haven't winning ten.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
Yes, okay, by the way, when it gets cold and
I've got the best interior offensive line in football, hand
the ball to that Boise State gente kid six yards
of carry, it's funny we never lose it home.
Speaker 5 (41:46):
Let's file this away, folks, for when they're six am.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
I am murder in Chicago at a perfect time hosting
NFC championship games for the next decade. Very excited Paul
Pierce too today
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Pierstopspire show today. Uh, you know, that's a good time
we've had. We've had a very very fun week. There's
still the Aaron Rodgers situation. We'll get into Russell Wilson,
Kirk cousin. So they're eight. Now what I'm really excited
about for the first time this year, here's I do.
I am dropping my NFC predictions. You gotta have four
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new teams between the AFC and the NFC. Today, I'll
do the Fox Conference, I'll do NFC. I've got three
new playoff teams. I will do the AFC tomorrow at
the top of the second hour. You know, I take
a lot of time on that. I came in with
my notes in my pocket this morning. So I've looked
at schedules, I've looked at free agency. I've looked at
coaching moves. Most of the free agency has done except
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old quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Did you look at the Bears schedule closely? I'm hearing
top five toughest schedule.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
In THEE Sure, yeah, I think you'll like it. One
hour from now, let's start with this Celtics loss to Oka.
See what do I make of it? A lot of people,
myself included, think that's very likely. That is the NBA
Championship preview. What do I make of it? Boston is
a team that can often be weird at home. They're
(02:00):
just a weird home team. They're better on the road
this year. And number two is really good. Really deep
teams without a title yet, OKC. Remember the old Bulls
teams with Derrick Rose. They play their butt off in
the regular season. So the regular season is about depth
and intensity. If you have a lot of bodies and
you play hard every night home and away, and you
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have one great player and SGA is certainly that you're
gonna win a lot of games. Plus Boston couldn't shoot
last night. So but we all know this. I never
overreact to this. I said it about Cleveland last year,
I'll say it about Okay. See this year, I said
it about the Derreck Rose Bulls forever. Playoff basketball and
regular season basketball are two different things. Think about it
(02:45):
this way. Regular season basketball is babysitting. Playoff basketball is
parenting same kids every night, couple of weeks, no days off,
always discomfort. That's playoff basketball. You're not just waltzing in
the town. You're more rested. You throw a bunch of
(03:05):
bodies at them. You play your arse off. The Celtics
have a trophy. The Celtics have the better team. And
I mean, you can't fool the players. I saw this.
Brian Windhorst, who does a great job, says NBA players
don't respect the thunder as contenders this year. That's what
players think because they understand it. You can't fool them.
The Celtics don't really have a weakness. Okase has several
(03:30):
The average age is twenty four and a half. Those
teams don't win the title. They're arguably second best player.
Chet Holmgren gets hurt a lot. And number three is
they play like ten guys. You play like seven to
eight in the playoffs. So one of their real strengths,
which is depth, you're not going to have that in
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the playoffs. And the other thing I throw out there
is young teams tend to be great at home and
not very good on the r in the playoffs. And
that is okay see. So you know, in the regular season,
I would suspect last night, you know, okay see, wanted
to make an imprint. They're also trying to win their
star in MVP. Celtics don't care about that crap. Take
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the NFL the Kansas City Chiefs experiment in the regular season.
You know who doesn't the Buffalo Bills and the Baltimore Ravens.
They're great in the regular season. But who's usually great
in the AFC in the postseason? We know who The
answer is Kansas City. So Jalen Brown, you got to
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give them credit, But this doesn't mean much to me.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
That boy good, you know what I mean? That boy
is good. You know, big fan of his game. You know,
shifty on crafty around the basket, knows how to use
his body well, draws fouls. He has been hitting the
three ball well too. You know, tough. Definitely a guy
that you know, you watch and you study to be
better if we ended up playing him down the line.
(05:02):
But now he's a tough cover. He's been playing some
good basketball. And you got to tip your cat.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Absolutely, that's what you do. That's what you did with
the Derreck Rose Bulls. You tip their cap. They had
a bunch of dudes. They could play. They had a
rock star. They're trying to win him MVP. They're playing
their butt off. Everybody freaks out. But I didn't trust him.
In the postseason, Lebron came in, squashed their dreams. Okase,
Luca Lebron, Austin Reeves, Ruey Jackson, Hayes, more experience, be
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a better road team than Oklahoma City is in the playoffs.
Take a deep breath. I still have Boston winning it all. Okay,
So this is interesting. So former NFL GM Doug Whaley
was talking on a Pittsburgh podcast and he says, basically,
Aaron Rodgers is holding the Pittsburgh Steelers and the New
York Giants hostage. There was a picture of Aaron Rodgers
(05:55):
that made the Internet in Malibu, and he's got earphones
in and blanket over his shoulder. It says it is
unclear if he was listening to music, a podcast, or
perhaps taking a call from his agents concerning his next team.
Sources tell me he was listening to The Herd. Damn right,
he was, absolutely and his takeaway as that show is
(06:15):
fresh and who knew Colin took magnesium. So let me
defend Aaron Rodgers here. The Steelers and the Giants have
backed themselves into a corner because the Giants have been
reaching on quarterbacks and then Steelers have been ignoring the
position until it's you know, late free agency. For a
long time, these two teams, the Giants and the Steelers
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are being willingly detained, is the way I'd put it.
And you know, Giants have made too many bad choices upstairs,
and the Steelers don't take quarterbacks seriously enough. So and
as for Aaron Rodgers, I would be walking on a
beach looking very sad if at forty one years old,
the Giants and the Steelers were my last two options.
There's a report out there it could be Minnesota, but
(07:00):
I'm just going to defend Aaron here. It's March thirteenth,
and he was just officially released by the Jets yesterday. Okay,
so he's gone from a darkness retreat to Egypt in
the summer to walking on the beach in Malibu. I
see that as personal growth. I think he's actually getting somewhere.
And I'll tell you, and I don't feel bad for
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teams who can't get their act together. The Giants front
office is bad, and the Steelers lack of urgency at
quarterback and tone deaf sensibility to offense is their problem.
So I mean to me, Aaron Rodgers has earned a
walk on the beach to contemplate he got officially released yesterday.
He's a hard guy to figure out. There's a story
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out there about the Minnesota Vikings. I said this yesterday,
and I am totally in the minority. I would take
the New York Giants over the Steelers. I get an
offensive coach, I get a great left tackle, I've got
an excellent receiving one weapon who doesn't appear to be
as needy as Pittsburgh's too, And the things they and
that got some actually some pretty decent defensive personnel. Also,
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the Steelers spend too much money on defense, where it
does feel like the Giants would rather spend money on offense.
So I like the Giants. By the way, both divisions
are tough. So yeah, you're gonna have to face the Eagles,
and yeah you're gonna have to face the Ravens. Yeah
you're gonna have to face Jaden Daniels. Yeah you're gonna
have to face Joe Burrow. It's the NFL. Not everything
can be the NFC South. Okay, So my take is
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I'll take the offensive coach who's worked with Josh Allen.
All take the left tackle, all take neighbors, all take
you know, the Giants need a running back in a
tight end. By the way, it's a very good draft
for running back in the tight end. I like the
Giants situation. Here was Albert Breer yesterday on Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Pittsburgh saying, look, we just need somebody to put us
over the top of the position. So I do wonder
if that's gonna be a factor in his decision making. Again,
only he knows, and he's very private about these things,
and I don't know what the timeline is.
Speaker 5 (09:02):
It could happen in ten minutes. It could happen in
ten days.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
But you know, I do think you know, we're all
a product of our own experiences, and I and I
look at this like Pittsburgh offers him as something that's
a little bit different than what he went through with
the Jets, where I think the Giants would be asking
him to do something similar to what the Jets were
asking him to do a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
And to that, I would say, He's right, the Giants
would need him a little bit as a savior. But
I'm gonna make the argument Mike Tomlin and the Steelers
need saving. Two two receivers who are demanding the ball
on offense, can't get the O line right, just lost
their left tackle, just lost their number one running back. Okay,
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so you've had a dramat wide receiver, less talented at
left tackle, less talented at the backfield. Pittsburgh shown no
ability to get the offensive line right. We look at
the Giants, We look at the New York Giants as
a mess who they need saving. I'm here to argue offensively,
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the Pittsburgh Steelers need saving. That's the difference here. We
view the Steeler, isn't it the last three or four
playoff games, the Steelers have it in. They've been behind
by at least twenty one points in each of them.
They're not a viable AFC championship team at all, and
the Giants aren't a viable team in the NFC for
a championship. Well, the difference is I get an offensive coach,
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a great left tackle, a good weapon, and a team
willing to spend money on the right side of the ball.
So I would take the Giants. I don't think that's
where he's gonna end up. I think he's gonna go
to the Steelers. But I would go with the Giants.
And I know it doesn't mean anything, but I got
my house, I got my left tackle, I got my coach,
I got my weapon. And I do think the Giants
at least understand they gonna spend some money on offense
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because they're defensive personnel actually is pretty good. Steelers defensive
personnel is better. Giants isn't terrible. So there you go,
j Mac. I'm feeling it with ar. That walk on
the beach in Malibu. That pensive look.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
A nice usage of pensive. Did you do magnesium last
night or no?
Speaker 1 (11:10):
I did, and I slept so well the night before.
It didn't have the same effectiveness, but it still worked.
It made me groggy enough to fall asleep.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
Okay, all right, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
I'm just glad two folks right now are going to
be irrelevant next year. The Dallas Cowboys and Aaron Rodgers.
Neither of them are going to matter in the NFL. Well,
I think it's gonna be an awesome season and we
don't even need those two guys.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Well, that's true. That's the power now that this is
not baseball or the NBA. You need certain brands.
Speaker 5 (11:36):
That carries out for the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
It's like I thought the Steelers have been. I think
the Steelers have been irrelevant frankly the last several years.
I think the Cowboys were irrelevant last year.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
When you make the playoffs irrelevant.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
But like in terms of title contending Steelers, by the
way offensive line issues, I don't love them.
Speaker 5 (11:52):
I don't love the right.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
People think the Giants are a wreck offensively, so are
the Steelers. So are the Steelers. At least the Giants
have a offensive coach and a great left tackle. At
least I get that. But I mean, if you look
at the Steelers and the Giants offensive ratings. It's you know,
they're both bad.
Speaker 5 (12:11):
They're in Jets territory. That's that's what that is right
there on the screen.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
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Speaker 1 (12:45):
All right, welcome back. I saw this story the Niners
very very interesting last couple days for San Francisco moving
off six seven reny good players and free agency. So
the Niners gave Brock pretty extra comp competition. They have
signed Mac Jones to a two year deal. So this
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single move is why drafting quarterbacks in the NFL is
so hard. So Brock Purty played with Iowa state guys,
Mac Jones played with Great Bama guys, and it fooled
every single NFL GM, not a single one had brought Purdy,
who was absolutely a much better quarterback than mac Jones.
(13:29):
No NFL GM thought that mac Jones seventy seven percent
completion of percentage in the SEC forty one touchdowns thirteen games.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Uh, but we.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Discovered when mac Jones doesn't get his way, when it's
not an easy ride, when he has to play from
behind without a great offensive line, he folded not a
lot of inner toughness, bit of a temper bid and mature,
not liked in the locker room. We found that Brock,
Perty's a pretty dark and good athlete, actually came in
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as the number three quarterback to San Francisco and fought
like hell to become number one. So they don't have
a lot in common. But what of Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen,
and Brock pretty ev in common. They didn't come from
traditional powers, they had to overcome, They had to create
their own college offense. They didn't throw to five star receivers.
They often took a beating. They often lacked a run game,
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and this is precisely why I like Shaduur Sanders in
the NFL draft more than NFLGMS. No run game worst
than Power five football last two years no offensive line,
but Shaduur Sanders had to initiate his own offense and
was pretty productive. And so it did Brock pretty. Did
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Brock pretty have a great arm? Because I hear Shadhar
Sander didn't have a great arm. Does Brock pretty? I
hear Shador Sanders, Well, I know that athletic. He's at
least his athletic as Brock pretty. They both process well,
they're both accurate. This is what I say about should
Or Sanders watch what he played with, not just who
he played against. Not a lot of NFL O linemen
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or running backs at Colorado. So his college experience for
shad Or Sanders, it looks just like a lot of
the Iowa State stuff. In fact, I'd argue Iowa State
had better players than Colorado in some instances. So this
is why drafting quarterbacks is tough. Outside of anonymous trolls,
everybody makes mistakes. Jmack with the News, No, no, no,
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turn on the news.
Speaker 6 (15:34):
This is the herd line news.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
I love it, love it when you go after anonymous
trolls college. But let's start with the Detroit Lions and
Ben Johnson. He leaves the Lions, goes to the Bears,
and oh my gosh, what an offseason your Bears.
Speaker 5 (15:51):
We gotta call him your Bears, right is that?
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Oh well, in forty five minutes, we'll find out what
I think about the Bears.
Speaker 5 (15:58):
They've been one of the biggest winner in free agency.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
The biggest winner.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Joe Toney, Jonah Jackson and Drew Dolman will fortify the
offensive line.
Speaker 5 (16:06):
Here's Johnson yesterday talking about the addition.
Speaker 7 (16:09):
We want some tough, some gritty, some dirty individuals, and
we feel pretty good about the two guys we got.
Smart is a word that comes to mind, particularly with
the interior players. We need guys that we love to
have some versatility to our scheme, some multiplicity, if you will.
I'm really really excited to get these guys in the room.
(16:31):
Combined with the coaches coaches that we've already put together
for that room, I feel really good about the style
of play we'll have this year.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Those are really good pickups. Close to the football guys,
smart guys.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
I saw that they had the twenty fourth rated offensive
line last season.
Speaker 5 (16:48):
Killer william usacks sixty eight times.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Now, by the way, they have a good right tackle,
young guy who looks like he's the right guy. So
between these three guys in the right tackle, that will
be a top eight O line this year.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
Maybe.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
By the way, that's what Sean Payton did in Denver.
Remember bad till like seventh watch the watch the Bears
all line, and if the all line's good, then they
get gent watch out maybe super Bowl here.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
We come com But let's be real.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
One of the issues they had was Caleb Williams just
holding the ball forever. Remember the backyard football that he
did at USC Maybe because it was the offensive line
was a great in Chicago. He just held the ball forever. No,
and like you, I don't think that's gonna automatically like click,
just aus the offensive line is better. This might be
a slow ish start and then it builds up. But Colin,
I mentioned the schedule. Have you looked at the opponents
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that the Bears have to face the season?
Speaker 5 (17:39):
It is brutal. Okay, yeah, yeah, undaunted.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
I looked at the Chargers schedule last year. It was brutal.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
They made the playoffs, yeah they did, they did.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
They got Washington. Schedule was brutal. They made the NFC Championship.
Detroit schedule was brutal. So Just my takeaway is just
think of the coaching Caleb Williams had to endure last year.
Now watch the coaching against with Ben Johnson. If you
don't think coaching matters for a young quarterback, I mean,
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do you think Bo Nicks was aided a little bit
by coaching a little bit? Do you think Sam Darnold
this past year was aided a little bit by coaching
Caleb Williams. Weren't they on like a quarterback passing coordinators
the head coach someone?
Speaker 6 (18:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (18:22):
I mean that was the Jets and the Bears. You're
dealing with guys who shouldn't even be coordinators.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Run on the show, all right, So we're booking tickets
for the Bears.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Well, why I want to be there already. Maybe you
can stop by and FC Championship at the Soldier Field
hosting it.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Speaking of free agency, next story is Russell Wilson still
available and there's a lot of uncertainty where a land.
The Steelers haven't ruled out bringing Russ back, but they're
not really talking about it.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
Remember there was the justin Field stuff.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Well, Russ is taking meetings with the Browns today, Cleveland Browns,
who just got Kenny Pickett and are drafting second.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
That's bizarre to me. And the New York Giants tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Russ of course went on Instagram and posted one of
these cool things.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
There's a couple.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
There's a lot of swearing with this. He's fired up,
He's fired I don't like all that swearing.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
That nobody wants me.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
There's a reason you go to a hotel. They got
a Bible in the drawer. Trying to clean your act
up on the road.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
Clean it up.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Russ cleaned it up a little bit there.
Speaker 5 (19:23):
Either of these does that do anything? Being rush to
the Cleveland Browns?
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Does it do anything for me? The Cleveland Browns rarely
do anything for me. I like the coach, coach, I
like a lot.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
What about Russ with Moliku, neighbors and the Giants.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
It doesn't do much for me. The Giants, regardless of
the quarterback or not, unless they get you to or Sanders
that that excites.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Yeah, on some level, you have to wonder what Russ
is thinking, Like, hey man, Justin Fields was fine.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
I came on, we were what ten eleven?
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Ye know what's weird? I was thinking about that and like,
nobody wants me. So the biggest cities in the country
are New York in LA and LA is always thinking
about star power. I mean, Dean Spannels would tell you
Harbaugh was gonna be we needed big. And the Lakers
had a D and they're like, no, no, we want
to upgrade to Luca. And the Rams had GoF and
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they're like, no, we want to we want an upgrade.
The Giants are like a Midwest football team, like you're
New York. If you can get Shador Sanders, that's exciting.
Aaron Russ Cousins. I mean, if the Giants were in
Los Angeles, I can tell you what the LA football
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team would do. They would draft Dion Sanders kid because
he's pretty good. So it's weird when I look at
the Giants, it's a great question by you. Does any
of this do anything for you? The New York Giants
are boring and they're in New York. I mean that's
what George Steinbenner ohways understood. He'd fire Billy Martin higher,
fire high. The bottom line be interesting. It manors in
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New York. There's too many things to do for people.
In the summer. For baseball, people get in their car,
they head to the Hamptons, they had wherever they go.
It's like, I look at the Giants, and that's a
great question. Like in Pittsburgh, everybody's gonna watch regardless. In
Cleveland people watch regardless. New York, Chicago, La Man, you
got to make an effort to be interesting and great.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
I remember, like Thanksgiving, the Holidays, Christmas in New York is.
Speaker 5 (21:18):
So exciting and fun.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Nobody wants to go to a Giants game when they're terrible, Like,
I just don't see anything there. Listen, I'm hammering them
a little too hard. The Jets, they're not gonna be great.
Speaker 5 (21:29):
But let's wrap up the first hour with a good
New York team. And that's my Knicks. What a finish
last night.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Look at Michel bridges ware in overtime, Nick's win by one,
lots of stuff from the Villanova star.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Watch the crowd in Portland. Watch it's weird.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
There were a lot of Knicks falls.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, a lot of let me see look
at that.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
They were loud.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
If you watch the video and listen and got the
cool celebration.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
New York's everywhere.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
However, Colin, the biggest story about the win came after
the game because Bridges told coach Tom Thibodeau the starters
need to play fewer minutes.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
He's right, He's one hundred percent right.
Speaker 5 (22:07):
I've been saying this for months.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Bridges said that Thibodeau received the message and he's not
arguing about it. I don't know what that means. The
Knicks lead the NBA in minutes played by starters. There's
no minutes per game. The Knicks have three of the
top six this yes, and by the way, is eighteen.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
And by the way, I like tips, but nothing drives
me crazier than multiple time fired coach who can't move
off his system. TIBs. Take four to six minutes a
night off all those players. You're gonna make the playoffs. Seating,
the seating doesn't matter. There's enough veterans on the Knicks.
They can win road playoff games. They're not okay. See,
(22:47):
it doesn't matter. You want to get at least one
home playoff series reward the fans right, get home court,
win a series at home. The Knicks are built these things.
I mean, Brunchon's been around, CAP's been around this. Mikhale Bridges,
these are veteran players that can win road games like
you and I know this. If OKC played the Lakers,
I can guarantee you Lebron and Luke are built to
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win road games. They're older players. So to me, just
when I see this, whenever I see a coach that's
been fired three times, Like, I get, when you get
fired one. I mean in most pro sports, and I
even get if you went to a second place and
we're there forever, you can get fired. But when you
start being like you start getting to it, you've been
fired twice, you move to a place and you're still
(23:31):
doing the thing that people complained about on the way out.
That I don't get.
Speaker 5 (23:36):
I mean, the Knicks fans are like, oh no, we're falling.
We're not going to be third in the East. It's
the same nonsense with Laker fans.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
They're like, oh my gosh, Lakers, they're gonna be fourth
or fifth.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
It doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
You need your stars healthy, you need Brunson, you need Bridges,
you need Lebron.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
And I think these coaches are just it's frustrating, especially Tibet.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Yeah, j Maack within the news, Well.
Speaker 6 (23:59):
That's the news, and thanks for stopping by the herd.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Line new it's really interesting. So I think the Bears,
in my opinion, New England and the Bears had in
Washington had very good free agent week and Washington some
of it was just resigning, you know, Zach Ertz, Bobby Wagner,
some of it was that. Some of it was getting
Debo and Laramie Tunzel. But I really like where Chicago
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really concentrated guard center guard. That's where we're going to
get better. And I mean they got two stars, Drew
Dolman and Joe Tunier stars, two of the best interior
O linemen in the league. And then Jonah Jackson will start.
So it wasn't like it was scattershot. It was like
Bears are like, we're getting better right up front. And
(24:48):
so it's interesting. One of the players for the Lions,
amor On Saint Brown, was on a podcast this week
talking about all the money Chicago has.
Speaker 8 (25:00):
I feel like the Bears have unlimited money. It's crazy.
They just signing news for.
Speaker 9 (25:05):
Like forty boom, Hey yeah boom, Jonah Jackson, Bang, Jude Donmond,
bang Dao, go ahead, ad ingbo another.
Speaker 8 (25:23):
I saw yea a crazy amount of money. Grady Jared bang,
Like they're just breaking everybody off.
Speaker 5 (25:29):
Line for cald I got unlimited money.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Is this?
Speaker 2 (25:33):
I mean the cat face is probably catch face.
Speaker 8 (25:36):
I mean hot bends just making moves. That's it, right.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
So it's first of all, he's just great. His podcast
is great. It's a great player. Amor On Saint Brown
impossible not to like. So he even dyed his hair
of the team color. I mean, come on, you gotta
like the guy. So, but it's interesting about Detroit. I've
got family in Detroit, my wife's family, so huge Lion
fans every where the Lions are entering. It's really interesting
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here they're pivoting to a different phase where they're now
the hunted. They've won back to back division titles. They're hunted.
They now draft their draft picks that they hit on
like Pine sueal Amaran, Saint Brown. Now they got paying
big money. So they've moved into employee retention phase. Now
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their coordinators are getting poched, and go ask the Philadelphia Eagles.
When you get elite coordinators poached and you miss on
the next coordinators, things go sideways fast. And that's for Philadelphia. Also,
you're not picking at the top to get Pinae Sue,
Aiden Hutchison. Now you're picking at the bottom of the first, second,
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and third round. By the way, last year they went
and got a cornerback from Bama. He ranked sixty seventh
in the NFL at corner because he was bottom of
the first round, which is like a graveyard. There are
more in the first round from like the twenty third
pick to the thirty first. Well that's where the that's
where the Lions are going to be picking from this
point forward. So San Francisco was stacked for six years,
(27:11):
no rings. They're in a semi rebuild. The window closes quickly.
I say this all the time. I thought Pete Carroll,
Russell Wilson, Marshawn Lynch, Richard Sherman. I thought that thing
was going to be a four six year dynasty. Two trips,
one ring, see you later. San Francisco a couple of trips,
no rings, see you later. So Philadelphia because they have
(27:34):
the best GM in the league, and I love the
Lions front office. But it is interesting now it's you
start looking around and the Giants just changed their entire
o line and and last year it was receivers. Now,
by the way, and I'll say it again, Caleb Williams
gets elite coaching like Jayden Daniels got last year with coaching,
or what bo Nicks got last year with coaching. Okay,
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so it's a different ballgame and Detroit, and again I
have Detroit in thirty five minutes. We'll see where I
picked them. But they do remind me a little bit
of you know, Philadelphia. Now, Philadelphia got it, but they
moved off coordinators and it went sideways within like eight games.
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So and I did not love Aaron Glenn and Ben
Johnson are I mean, there was an argument the two
best coordinators in football last year Detroit had both. What
are the chances that you hire two coordinators and they're
better than those guys? The chances are zero. One of
your new coordinators will not hit. They won't one may
(28:44):
may one won't. Can we be totally frank here the
new offensive coordinator, I'm gonna say it right now, probably
not as good as Ben Johnson, Probably not going to
be that good by the way the Eagles found out,
We're gonna hire a guy, yeah, not as good as
Shane Steichen And dealing with quarterbacks, it's tough, all right.
Top of the hour, my NFC predictions. Very excited. I've
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got three new playoff teams. It was this time last
year when I said Washington will make the playoffs. You
laughed at me. It was hurtful things worked out, but
good for the podcaster who Aaron Rodgers listened to yesterday
on the Beach. That's all I'm gonna say.
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East Tournament Quarterfinals dip Ball on FS one. First at
six thirty Eastern Jack Paul takes on Creighton. Then at
nine thirty Roleanova battles You've got.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
I'll watched a lot of college basketball in NBA this weekend.
I did. Michigan State can't score, but in college basketball
a lot of times the offense is basically just dump
it down to the big guy. That's Michigan and Michigan State.
Michigan State can't shoot and will be like one of
the top seeds, so it's you know, in college basketball,
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there are very few teams that have offensive depth. You
win with coaching and defense, and sometimes you can have
one great offensive player. Michigan State does not, so we
may get Tom Izowan before the tournament. Mark Feue Gonzaga.
Now that team generally has really good offense. So Josh
Allen that new contract he signed one of the reasons
I liked it, And I've always said this, with great
(31:25):
superstar players, pay him early. Everybody else be patient. I
have no problem signing Josh Allen to another big deal.
By the way, he did not break the bank. And
what does that tell you that outside of all his
unbelievable physical traits, he's also got an emotional one and
an intelligence. He gets the big picture. That's why winning
matters the most. That's why Tom Brady signed a massive
(31:49):
deal with Fox when he left the NFL. The winning
thing because Kirk Cousins made more money playing football than
Tom Brady. Tom Brady was the winning thing. And I've
taught about this before. Michael Jordan and Iverson were iconic,
huge in pop culture, one six rings, one nun wire.
(32:13):
Businesses still throwing money at mj. It's the winning If
Michael Jordan, as great as he was, was two and
fourg INN finals, it wouldn't feel the same. So individual
success in pro sports makes people like you. Individual success
(32:33):
with team success makes you a legend. And that's the difference.
Dan Marino maybe the most talented quarterback to ever get
into pads is talked about less than Eli Manning, who
was a completely mediocre regular season quarterback. So Taylor Swift
is dating Travis Kelce, not the Jacksonville Jaguars tight end.
(32:56):
There's a reason winning makes you more attractive to everybody, Broadcast, networks, advertisers, teammates,
iconic status. A lot of guys have that, a lot
of guys are popular, a lot of guys are rich,
and NBA, NFL Baseball, they're all rich. You know, scoring
titles is not what people talk about twenty years later.
(33:18):
Karl Malone was like third all time in scoring two
years ago. Nobody talks about him. Nobody talks about Dan Marino,
not blaming him. Rory McElroy was talking to Golf Digest
last year and he said, I'm in way better financial
position now than I was a decade ago, and my
life is no different, same three or four rooms in
my house. So congratulations on the ninth car for all
(33:39):
pro athletes. But Josh Allen sums it up, I didn't
want to bankrupt my team.
Speaker 13 (33:44):
When you start getting these fairly big numbers throughout the
entire league, you know, it's weird to say this, but
what's what's five more going to do for my life
that I can't already do right now. I wasn't looking
to to absolutely kill them in every chance that I could,
And I told my agent that I was like, Hey,
(34:04):
if this this has any impact on the pack or
impact on the cap, I should say, let's figure out
a way to not do that.
Speaker 9 (34:14):
You know.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
And by the way, the game day revenue for Buffalo
is not as good as like Los Angeles or Philadelphia
or you know. So the truth of the matter is
so much in this NFL Buffalo is not a big
free agent market. It doesn't have massive game day revenue.
They don't charge those prices, so you know, they that
bank account may not be as big as Jeffrey Lowrie's
(34:34):
of Philadelphia. So there's a lot of things to consider
when you play in Buffalo or Green Bay, Like what's
the house cost in Buffalo? What's it? What are the
taxes in Buffalo compared to like an LA. So you know,
to me, like Matt Stafford could have gone and made
more money. You're in Los Angeles. You have Sean McVay,
you have Puka Nakua, you have one of the richest owners.
(34:56):
So I look at Buffalo and I'm like, the front
office appears to be capable, really solid ownership, really solid
B plus coach, great left tackle, so you get protected.
They've got a great running back. And I said this
for years and years about Dwayne Wade. Dwayne Wade's an
all time great player. I love everybody love Dwayne Wade,
(35:16):
but you have to think about this stuff. So Dwayne
Wade gets drafted out of Marquette, goes up in cold weather,
and ends up in Miami. Great owner Mickey Errison, best
GM in the league. Pat Riley ends up getting Eric
spolsterra a top three coach, no state tax. The NBA
(35:39):
is a winter league, the best winter weather in America. Like,
there's got to I mean, if you're not considering that stuff,
you're nuts. I've moved four times across country. I consider everything.
So look's like Aaron Rodgers and the Giants and the Steelers.
I don't have to sell my house. I have an
offensive coach, I have a great weapon, I have a
great left tackle. That stuff matters. Not just well, Pittsburgh's
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got a better roster. Pittsburgh's offense is no better with
Aaron Rodgers than New York's would be. It's a bunch
of high maintenance wide receivers and they can't get their
own line right, and they put draft capital into it.
So it's to me, it's about winning, it's about keeping
the band together. And I mean, I don't even need
to mention certain quarterbacks in this league. They want to
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make every penny congrats. How many cars in houses? Do
you want to win games? That's what it comes down now. Now,
I will say this, when Brady was taking pay cuts forever,
I would have had a problem because I think Buffalo
drafts pretty well. I think Buffalo, so I'll give up
some money. Are you spending it wisely? I think they have.
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They've tried to get him wide receivers, Amari Cooper, Stefon Diggs.
So Buffalo has tried to use the money to help him.
Kin Kay the tight end, first round pick, James Cook excellent.
They paid Dean Dawkins, So Buffalo what used to drive
me crazy for? And I said this when I worked
at the other place. He was taking pay cuts as
the league's best quarterback. What do they have to show
(37:06):
for it? They never drafted a good receiver they wouldn't
spend any big money in a wide receiver. So now
Brady won. But at the end, Tom left New England
not because of the weather, in Belichick, he left because
New England had no skill people, so they were taking
money from Tom forever and he didn't see the benefit
of it. I don't have a problem if I give
(37:27):
back a little bit to my company. If I feel
I'm getting value. Is my staff good, do I have
good support, marketing promotion, I can give it up Brady.
At the end, I was like, just go to Tampa.
I mean, I've set it on the air like Tampa's
got Chris Godwin, take Gronk with you, Mike Evans, Bruce Arians,
go to Tampa, great GM you'll have a bunch of
(37:48):
good players. But I do feel in Buffalo giving it
back is they go out and they try to get
players to help you. It seems to me they've drafted
pretty well. Maybe not as good as Philadelphia, but they're
a top ten drafting team. I'm okay with that. I've
said this for years about Green Bay, Brett Farbara and Rogers,
Jordan Love. I would take less to play for the Packers.
(38:10):
They always have a good offensive line. Always when's the
last time the Packers had a terrible offensive line? They
always have a smart offensive coach. They don't get as
many free agents. But what do you have to spend
for a house? I mean, you're spending a million and
a half dollars for a house. You're paying twenty eight
million for a house in Westchester County. If you play
for the Jets or Giants, or in Los Angeles on
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the beach, you're paying a million and a half. In
Green Bay you got less taxes. Always a good old line,
always an offensive coach. And by the way, the media
in Buffalo and Green Bay is not this relentless attack dog.
That matters as well. My wife used to work in
the corporate world. She contends Buffalo as the nicest people
in the world. She's like, everybody bangs on Buffalo in
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the weather. She's like, I love going to Buffalo. The
nicest people in the world, and there's value in that.
So that is one of the things about the NFL
that's great is that you can argue the three places
in the league that treat the players the best are
Green Bay, Buffalo in Kansas City, like three of the
smallest markets. So I would just take less to be
a packer. I would currently take less in Buffalo. I
(39:18):
feel the value additive by you know, I mean, good God,
if it snows twelve feet one day, your neighbors come
in with blowers and clear the driveway. They're not doing that.
They're not necessarily doing that. In Philadelphia. If you're on
two game losing streak, all right, J Mac.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
In Philadelphia, you're winning super bowls. In Buffalo, you're not
getting that's being said. Buffalo is my super Bowl pick
for this coming season. I think I got them coming out.
Speaker 5 (39:46):
It's early. Let's see the order of the sea.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
I mean, and I'm serious about this. There are places
in the NFL that I would take less. Green Bay's
at the top.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
So much matters, Colin. Where you are in your career.
You know, are you potentially a free agent? Who the
quarterback is?
Speaker 1 (40:03):
Like?
Speaker 5 (40:03):
There's a lot I wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
I wouldn't take a penny less to play for the
Jets because I know the ownership's impulsive. I got a
deal with the kids in the locker room. I want
every penny out of the Jets, every penny, and I'm
getting taxed to death. I'm taking every penny with the Jets.
If I was a star quarterback, but I I Buffalo
Kansas City. I mean, if I got Andy Reid or
Sean McVay or Matt Lafleur, I'm taking I'm gonna say,
(40:29):
and I said this about d Wade. I love d Wade.
You're hitting the lottery when you get Spolster up Riley.
You're in a winner league. It's aqua water, no state tax.
And I don't know what d Wade's financial situation was,
but he moved up to Chicago for a couple of years,
remember or a year. He's like, I'm going back to
the aqua watery.
Speaker 12 (40:46):
I get it.
Speaker 5 (40:47):
By the way, you mentioned Chicago.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
I'm looking at this Bears opponents for next season. Oh,
come on, Colin, it is Dave. I don't know if
they're gonna win one game on the road.
Speaker 5 (40:55):
Oh brutal. You have me to rattle them off.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
You give me, give me, Okay.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
So the division folks, we know Detroit, Green Bay and Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Okay. By the way, those teams also have to go.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
To Chicago non divisional matchup a right now at Baltimore
at Cincinnati, ooh, scary at Philadelphia that's a loss at Washington.
Speaker 5 (41:14):
When at San Francisco when and then at the Raiders.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
When maybe Washington's a loss. By the way, if you
can win again.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
As that's brutal, you have to admit that is probably
the toughest road schedule.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
If I don't have them winning thirteen games.
Speaker 5 (41:31):
You haven't winning ten.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
Yes, okay, by the way, when it gets cold and
I've got the best interior offensive line in football, hand
the ball to that Boise State gente kid six yards
of carry, it's funny we never lose it home.
Speaker 5 (41:46):
Let's file this away, folks, for when they're six am.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
I am murder in Chicago at a perfect time hosting
NFC championship games for the next decade. Very excited Paul
Pierce too today
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