April 2, 2025 • 42 mins
Colin declares Nikola Jokic the perfect model for modern basketball after an incredible 61-point performance and on pace to have his most productive season despite already winning 3 MVPs
He explains why it's obvious 49ers quarterback Brock Purdy will get a massive contract extension based on recent comments from the team owner
Thoughts on Steph Curry's 52 point game against the Grizzlies
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Speaker 3 (00:31):
It's The Herd.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Wherever you may be and however you may be listening.
Thanks for making that's part of your day. So you
know they talk about you, and you'll see lists sometimes
jamac about the best jobs in America, the worst jobs
in America if you're looking for careers. The worst job
in America, at least for a night. The worst job
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in America for a night was Julius Randall guarding Nikoli
Jokicic last night, who played fifty three minutes sixty one points,
another triple double after the game in Minnesota one. But
after the game, Julius Randall said, my body's in shock.
I feel absolutely awful. He's shooting turnaround jumpers. Is Jokich
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off the wrong foot? I don't know what I'm watching
out there. Listen, all great big men in my life
have had one or two great defining characteristics. Kareem the skyhook,
Russell rebounding in defense a team, the footwork, shack, the power.
And then there's Jokich, who is the modern definition of basketball.
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He does about six things well, shoot, pass, screens, postplay,
handles the ball, outlet passing maybe the best.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
In the league.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
He's currently second in the NBA in steals. It is
very lebron redefining what a basketball player is. Of versatility.
We have never seen and you know, a lot of
NBA superstars, and this is probably why the sport is
culturally important and artistically important. A lot of the superstars
fly past you or jump over you.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Mj that's not Jokic. He sort of.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Rolls past you and he leans into you. He's not
jumping over anybody. Draymond Green, one of the great defenders
in NBA history, acknowledges, Yeah, I can stop Giannis, I
can't stop Joker.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
I'm white flag. I give up. I give up.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
And a lot of NBA stars are like action films,
mesmerizing to watch. Jokic is the best book layered chapters,
each elevating the last chapter.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Character development, a lot of depth.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
There's a little Bill Walton here, and absolutely some r
Vetas Sabonis. It feels like the two great port centers
of all time, the passing, the intelligence, the ability to score.
But this book is better than the movie. And most
aren't read this book. It is all time stuff. Like
I know, it's not always you know wow, but you
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know when you talk to opposing players. Julius Randalls six
's eight in a load, and he sounds like last
night he dealt with a Serbian bear. My body is awful.
I give up. I don't even know what I'm doing here.
Three times more triple doubles than anybody in the league.
In fact, you know, as great as Magic Johnson or
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Lebron are Is Jokich is the only basketball player in
my entire life, and I've been watching the NBA since
the seventies that if you said, yeah, guy in the
NBA last night had thirty six, thirteen and eleven. And
it's not a headline, it's just what he does. The
greatest book in NBA history, depth and chapters and layers.
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It keeps getting better. What's the conclusion, Well, he's got
three MVPs and a trophy, and any All Star appears.
In fact, one of my favorite parts of Jokic he
doesn't like the NBA All Star Game. He doesn't fit.
Part of him is anti NBA. He really is. He's
like the book that doesn't even want to be made
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into a movie. No, I'm good just being a book.
Here's his coach and aunt.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
After Nicola came up to me after the third quarter
and I said, Coach, I'm good. You know, leave me
in there. You know, I don't want to come out.
Let me just keep playing. He was in a good
rhythm obviously. Sixty one points, tenn assists, ten rebounds, two steals.
The guy's superman. Oh my god, he might be the
best basketball player I've ever seen, like close up, besides
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my like besides myself to myself.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Bro, he's incredible.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
The MVP race is tough, now I don't. Yes, that's crazy.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Yeah, it is for everybody except the joker.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
So I saw Jed York owns the San Francisco forty
nine Ers, a fairly low profile outside of the Bay Area.
We know Robert Kraft or we know Jerry Jones, he's
a little bit more under the radar, like a Stan Cronkey.
You know him in the town he's in, but you
know he's not out in the press a lot. But
he said yesterday, yeah, Brock, pretty deal is going to
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get done. Here is Jed York on this contract that
is looming.
Speaker 6 (05:36):
We want to make sure that Brock is a long
term partner. We want to make sure that he's a
part of our team for a long time. And it's
a decision. I don't know exactly when we made it,
but it was somewhere in the middle of the season,
knowing that you can start negotiating at the end of
the third year, and it's like, all right, he's our guy,
and if he's our guy, you have.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
To know that and make those decisions. And that's where
we are right now.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
And he's Kyle's guy, and that's the key. His passer
rating was thirteenth, as completion percentage was seventeenth. Wins he
was eighteenth. This is all about Kyle Shanahan. The franchise
is Kyle's Kyle and Sean McVay, they're the franchise. It
doesn't know what's work that way. In Philadelphia, Howie Roseman
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is the soul in the centerpiece. He's the leading voice
in Kansas City or Green Bay. It shared among many people,
But if Kyle Shanahan views brock Purty as a top
ten quarterback, then he is the deal will get done.
I mean, Matt Stafford is great, one of the great
arm talents of my life in the NFL, but it's
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the voice of Sean McVay that moved into Stafford off
of golf and will move eventually off of Stafford in
New England. For years, what was the term in Belichick
we trust? It wasn't in Brady. It was in Belichick.
Bill was the singular decis making voice in big spots.
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Now you can get into trouble when there's Seattle. Russell
Wilson and Pete Carroll both felt like they deserved a
little more of the credit for being the voice that
led to a divorce. I think in Green Bay Mike
McCarthy and Aaron Rodgers both felt a little disrespected, wanted
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a little more control that led to a divorce. But
in San Francisco, there are two things about brock Purty
that Kyle Shanahan loves. Number One, Cognitively, he can really
read a defense quickly. Sam Darnold said he'd never seen
a quarterback like that. He can just see the field
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very quick processor. And the second thing is and for
a smaller quarterback, this is rare he's got He'll let
her rip.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
He will absolutely let her rip.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
He was fourth in Big Time twenty plus yard passing plays,
and that was without Brandon Ayuk.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
He'll let it go.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
He sees the play quickly, he processes uber quickly and
then lets her rip. Garoppolo wouldn't do that. Trey Lance
wouldn't do that. They'd hold the ball. They didn't have
that arm. Confidence pretty does. So you may have fifty
five guys on the roster and fourteen trainers and twenty
seven scouts and the executive front office is thirty five people.
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But most organizations have a singular voice that makes the
biggest decisions. And in San Francisco, that's Kyle Shanahan. Now,
he didn't never ring. He's lost big leads in big games.
And there are some skeptics, and I do think sometimes
Kyle Shanahan is too tied to the play sheet. McVay
is willing to blow it up second quarter, third quarter
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and start over Shanahan not as much, but Perty's going
to get the bag because Kyle Shanahan believes he's a
top ten quarterback and this whole sport is belief. Do
you believe in yourself, even the quarterback? And in San Francisco, yes,
and yes, that's your answer, and that's why he'll get
the bag.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
J Mac, you know it.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
It is funny when I was I was thinking of
Jokics this morning in that you know, Kareem was another
guy where in the All Star Game used to be
much different.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
They played defense and stuff.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
But most of the great players in league history are
really fun in the All Star Game. They really did
understand it. Even if they're not superstar players Blake Griffin,
they're superstar attractions. Joker is the one guy in this
league that is fairly worthless in the All Star Game,
and he's the best player in the league. And he
doesn't even look like he fits in it. Like he's like, guys,
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this isn't this isn't really my game. And I think
I respect him more for that. Like he is, you know,
they use the term unicorn. He's the unicorn. He doesn't
play like the NBA. He rolls into you and passed you.
He doesn't fly up or over you. He doesn't work
with the All Star festivities. But we are looking at
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I think, not only the best player in the game,
but a combination of the best two or three. Bill
Walton years, the best of Sabonis when he was overseas,
and I think he's entered a territory of a top
three or four player center in the history of the sport.
Speaker 7 (10:19):
Yeah, I'm with you.
Speaker 8 (10:20):
You know, you look at Shaq, who was utterly dominant,
a Kima Lajah one.
Speaker 7 (10:23):
I think you'll get just right there in the discussion
with them.
Speaker 8 (10:25):
I know the Shaq fans won't want to hear that,
because nobody does a dominant He.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Does far more better than Shak. Shaq couldn't hit free throws.
There was Shack attack, there was foul him late. People
wanted Shaq to shoot late. Yeah, Yoka very limited.
Speaker 8 (10:38):
Right outside the lane, right, Jokic is killing you from
three defensively. I know he doesn't look like an Adonis.
Shaq was just a hulking, incredible hole type figure. But
Jokich right now, I mean, I don't know how there's
a discussion with him in SGA for MVP, like SGA
is just on the team with the best record.
Speaker 7 (10:56):
They might win seventy games. Yeah, but to me, Yokiz
has to be the end.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Well, he's He's been the best basketball player in the
world for four years running.
Speaker 8 (11:02):
I made a case that Luca for a while was there,
and Luca was with him, but Yo Kich just pulled away.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
It's funny whenever you do top ten all time NBA lists,
like at this point, he's got to be in it.
He I mean, I'm just I'm sorry, but you can't
put a keem in shack near it and not Jokic.
I'm sorry, folks, see ten, top ten or fifteen? I again,
do you want another year?
Speaker 3 (11:26):
But he is?
Speaker 1 (11:27):
You know, I remember when Jordan was the best player
in the NBA. I can remember talking to somebody about this.
I said, the gap between Jordan and two was greater
than two to eight or two to ten.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
I think that's where we are with Jokic.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
The gap between him and the second best player could
be Tatum and SG Jannis. I mean, Draymond Green can
hold Yannis to five field goals. Draymond Green has no
ability to stop him. None our best defensive player I
mean Dennis Rodman was a little bit like that. You know,
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against certain players, like he could stop almost everybody, and
then you know, you get into certain matchups where there's
not a lot you could do to stop MJ or
Kobe in his prime.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
I we just have to be honest about this.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
If you're gonna put Duncan, if you're gonna put Shocked
and a team all time great players near that top
ten or twelve, it's silly not to put him in there.
Speaker 8 (12:28):
If you're having a draft of the top centers of
all time and you give me the first pick, I
would go Jokic over any of the time.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
I would go Kareem second. Yeah, yeah, I would go
Jokic because of his ability. Now again old rules, knew
a part of what makes him so powerful as the
three point shot. But I think Jokic and Kareem to me,
I mean, Kareem was a dominant defensive player, a dominant
offensive player early career, could run the floor. But there's
when you can do six things well, it's like they
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stay in baseball a five tool player. Oh, Tawny, is
Jokic the modern athlete lebron Otani Jokic, you can't defy him.
You can't define them by position. They do too many things.
Speaker 8 (13:07):
Well, Yokic is going to finish top two in MVP
for the fifth straight year. Only one other guy in
the modern era has done that. His name's Larry Bird.
So Jokic is in historic territory right now, Colin, I
don't want to see him from the Lakers in the
second round.
Speaker 7 (13:21):
I do not.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
I don't think much.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Rather face Okay, go look at Jokic against Anthony Davis
and Anthony Davis it was I thought the last two
years was the best defensive player in the year. He
may not win the award, but he's playing great defense.
I mean, he will hold Jokic to twenty eighth, nine
and nine, and you're like, what an effort that guy
shut him down, and they and in those games, the
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Lakers never won them. I think at one point, Denver
one twelve in a row. So it's the Jokers got
three MVPs in the title. A team's got one MVP,
Shack one MVP. Now Shaq's got four titles, but well, Shack.
Speaker 8 (13:58):
Had you know Kobe Bryant one, he's coat.
Speaker 7 (14:01):
Jamal Murray's never been an All Star.
Speaker 8 (14:02):
Dan's you'll gets your second best player, like, come on,
what do we do?
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Speaker 1 (14:14):
So the Warriors beat the Memphis Grizzlies last night. The
Warriors are on fire and the Grizzlies are melting at
the end of the season. So whoever faces the Grizzlies
in the playoffs first round is getting a real break.
And last night the Warriors big three, Steph, Draymond and
Jimmy Butler crushed ninety two points, twenty six rebounds, twenty
four US says, and the Warriors are now eighteen and two.
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When Steph and Jimmy Butler are both playing and they're
all twelve and ozer, this is important. They're undefeated when
they go with their really small lineup where Kaminga's off
the bench and it's Steph, POD's Moody Butler and Draymond.
It's the no center Warriors. And they've also gone a
really good bench here. Buddy Heal can give you a
shooting Jonathan Kaminga can give you some length and athleticism
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post and Kavon Looney, give you a size, Jill Santos like,
that's one of the better NBA benches. It's not just
a Jimmy Butler thing. They play nine guys, ten guys.
Now they're fifth in the West. If they beat the
Lakers tomorrow in LA, they're one game in a fourth
place and this matters. We are looking at today a
Warrior Laker first round playoff series. But trading for Butler
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gave this team two guys Dramon and Jimmy Butler that
can get more good looks for Steph Curry. And he's
hard to play with because he's sort of freestyling. And
the offense under Steve Kerr has always sort of been
the adults only pool at the resort. Kids, you're not
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welcome here. They tried, James Wiseman could not catch up.
It's like playing with Tom Brady in New England, like
young receivers. It just didn't work. It just Tom wasn't
gonna sit around and wait for you. So this Warriors offense,
it is a lot of spacing, It does a lot
of motion, and it's how can you adapt and play
with Steph Curry because nobody moves off ball like Steph.
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So you've got to be intuitive, a quick thinker. You've
got a lot of a lot of basketball miles. I
mean KD worked instantly, andre Igwidalo worked in instantly, Andrew
Boget works, Jimmy Butler works. These are smart veteran players
with a lot of basketball miles that you don't have
to teach how to play basketball. It is a split
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second decision offense, and squirrely guys and young guys have
never fit here. Too much motion, too much space, and
too much quick decision making. So Steph's not actually always
the easiest player to play with. He's a great guy.
You don't get ego, but he is moving so much
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with the ball and off the ball. You have got
to pay attention. You can't sit in the corner and
just watch. You are part of this motion. Jimmy Butler
gets it. Draymond gets it. They have not lost a
game when they go with their smaller starting lineup, kaminga
buddy Healed off the bench, their size Looney post off
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the bench. Here is Steve Kerr on last night. Steph
Curry twelve three pointers fifty two points, overshadowed on a
night by Jokich.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
But here's Steve Kerr.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
The guy's thirty seven years old.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
It's incredible, fifty two points with people draped all over
him all game long. I've been watching this for eleven years,
and actually longer before I became coach.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
I was enjoying watching and play. But to coach him,
you get a real.
Speaker 5 (17:36):
Sense of just the magnitude of his.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Talent, his.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
Characters, work ethic. Guy's amazing to watch and we're lucky
to have him.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Yeah, it's really a spectacle. And when Mark Jackson was
a coach, it was a good team. But there is
something about Kerr's offense and the motion and the two
nature of it like it takes special player like Draymond
Green had a lot of college games under a great coach,
Tom Izzo, so he was able to work with this
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very quickly. Draymond is thinking the game, not playing it.
Katie the same way. It's taken Moody years to get there.
But you can't just throw guys into Steph Curry and
A Noah's works. There have been guys that have not
worked when they get away from what.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
There really are.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
It's the fastest, most motion, most movement offense in the league,
and it takes special guys to play with it. And
Jimmy Butler has got a Draymond feel. He just gets
he gets Steph good looks. He feels the game and
thinks the game, not just plays it. And last night's
another great example of that. Today it would be Lakers
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Warriors first round. NBA is probably thinking, we don't want that.
We don't want to get rid of one of these teams.
I'm not sure if that's good. It'd be the highest
rated first round playoff series in the last decade. I'm
not sure it's great for the league to have those
guys going at it.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Something to watch, though. J Mack with the News on
the news.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
This is the Herdline.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
News, all right.
Speaker 8 (19:07):
So yesterday Jerry Jones and Micah Parsons and the agent
for Parsons, it all got super interesting. Jerry has still
not spoken of Micah's agent about the contract, but he
did talk to the media about the ongoing discussions.
Speaker 9 (19:22):
It's not uncommon for me to visit directly with players,
and in this particular case, that's the way I'm doing it.
The agent is not a factor here of something to
worry about, and I don't know his name, and so
my point is that I'm not trying to demean him
in any way. But you just saidn't about an agent.
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Anybody can do this, and that's tawd directly to a player.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Yeah, I mean he's writ in the check, so he's
not wrong here. Agents can facilitate, but in the end,
Jerry's the one that's going to make the ultimate decision
on this.
Speaker 8 (20:00):
Sorry, isn't there a board or something that can be
Like Jerry, you're getting a little old buddy.
Speaker 7 (20:06):
You screwed us.
Speaker 8 (20:07):
With Dak because you dragged it out. He made him
the richest guy in the NFL and he ain't worth it.
And now you're messing up to Michael Parson's thing. Maybe
it's time to remove him from contract negotations.
Speaker 7 (20:17):
You know that's a hard thing to say.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
That's not going to happen, no shot. Well, I said
this a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
What you don't want to do is you become an
older owner has become Al Davis. Al Davis was a visionary.
He was a unique all time really knew the game,
and I think Jerry's better than most at knowing the
game a little bit. But as he got older, it
was a little bit more vanity and a little stubbornness
and a little rigidity. I'm gonna do it my way,
and you have to be careful about that.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
That is why, like, I feel like.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
The Lakers are a family, but bringing JJ Reddick in
is a new set of eyes and ears. So JJ
Reddick as a higher is like a really nice fresh
set of eyes and perspective that I was like, Oh,
that's a really smart hire by the Lakers. Brian Schottenheimer,
coach of the Cowboys, feels like a friend of a
friend of a friend. So I do think the Cowboys
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have reached We've reached sort of this line with them
is if you're not going to bring out people willing
to make Jerry uncomfortable parcels did, Jimmy Johnson did in
the end, Jason Garrett didn't, Mike McCarthy didn't, Brian Schottenheimer didn't,
Stephen Jones doesn't. So you had like the Lakers hiring
JJ Reddicks like we don't.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
He's a duke guy. He's never really played here.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
It's totally he's a broadcaster that's criticized us. I think
you have to bring people in occasionally that make you
a little uncomfortable, and Dallas hasn't done.
Speaker 7 (21:35):
That in a long time. The reason is because of Jerry.
Speaker 8 (21:38):
It's not like Jeanie Buss is mixing a JJ Reddickier.
Speaker 7 (21:42):
That's a Rob Polincoln Lebron thing. Yeah, and that's the
Cowboys need this.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
You know.
Speaker 8 (21:46):
Frankly, I'm actually happy that this is going so poorly
for Dallas because Colin. It means they're gonna stick next
year and then we don't have to talk about him
as much. Yeah, that's the reality. Like I'm done with
Aaron Rodgers, I'm done with the Cowboys.
Speaker 7 (21:57):
Like they're not They're irrelevant.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
I said this a couple of years ago. Research upstairs
would know the answer. But the Kansas City Chiefs are
now America's team. They've got the most popular quarterback, Taylor Swift,
dating one of their players.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
It's in the middle of the country.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
It's the holarizing well another you know, I'm and they're
in a ton of close games.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
They end up in Super Bowls.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
They occasionally, we've it started with Brady Mahomes and they
couldn't quite beat Brady, and then he went to Tampa
and they still couldn't beat Brady. But Kansas City to
me is the face of the NFL. And I gotta
tell you, if you're asking me who I want to watch, second,
it's the Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 7 (22:35):
I mean, I'd rather watch Jayden Daniels.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Than I mean, there was always even the Dak teams.
If the Cowboys were on it felt big. Kansas City
feels big, Baltimore feels big. Buffalo fields big, Philadelphia fields,
so many. San Francisco when they're healthy, feels big.
Speaker 8 (22:53):
What do you like to say about you know, and
when business, when thing change, you've got to adapt. Well,
things have changed, Aaron Rodgers, this is irrelevant now. The
Dallas Cowboys are trending toward irrelevancy. We got to move
on from those guys and start talking.
Speaker 7 (23:05):
About the new teams that matter and.
Speaker 8 (23:07):
Are interesting, because god, I hate to break it.
Speaker 7 (23:09):
You like Dallas is just they're like a six or
seven win team. Did you do the win total? Guests?
Speaker 3 (23:12):
I think they're one of the they're one of the
clear unders.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
I think Jacksonville line they're a six win team.
Speaker 8 (23:18):
All right, let's move on to Ben Johnson. He had
a lot to say it as introductory press conference, taking
the time to take a jab at rival Packers head
coach btt LeFleur, saying he couldn't wait to beat them
twice a year. Well, Lafleur responded yesterday saying, it is
what it is. I'm not going to lose too much
sleep over it. Lions have won five of six from
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the Packers.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Mmmm, well that's because that dominant all lines pushed them around. Yeah,
this is this is I'll tell you it won't be long.
If Caleb Williams hits, will won't be long before Chicago
is becoming You know, it does in the NFL, for
some reason, being great in the middle of the country matters.
When Peyton Manning is with the Colts, when the Bears
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were great, the Packers are great, Kansas City is now
is great. NBA tends to feel more coastal at times,
you know, Baseball definitely, because the money feels way more
coastal college football fields Midwest and southern. The NFL is
better to me when the teams in the middle of
the country off the coasts are great, like Philadelphia, like
is the Northeast, but it's not in d C, Boston
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or New York.
Speaker 8 (24:25):
You might just be saying that because the Jets and
Giants have been down for maybe I am. I don't
know what it's like when the Jets are good. It's
been like fifteen years. No, No, we got to bring
Mark Stanchez in here to find out what that was like.
Final story Colin is, let's go to the Jets Justin Fields. Sure,
he's on his third team in three years, but Jets
owner Woody Johnson thinks the quarterback has found at home.
Speaker 7 (24:45):
What he said, he thinks Fields is a total winner and.
Speaker 8 (24:48):
That he's been impressed with Justin ever since he played
at Georgia.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
All right, exciting.
Speaker 8 (24:54):
We've got some stats for mister Fields here, Okay, there,
you know they are what they are.
Speaker 7 (25:00):
He's a total winner. Started his career five and twenty.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Well his Latin. Let's just go to his last sixteen starts.
Let's be fair.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
So in his last sixteen starts, you know, some of
those are Pittsburgh his last sixteen starts because all rookie
quarterback struggle and then Bears were a mess. In his
last sixteen starts, it's fairly encouraging.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Yeah, his path.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
The first thing I look at twenty six touchdowns, six picks.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
That's a nice number.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
That was Carson Wentz that last year in Indianapolis twenty
seven and seven. So we can say we want about
Justin Fields. Two things are true about Justin Fields. Everybody
likes him. He's not a polarizing guy. Old players, young players, owners, coaches.
Everybody likes him. Second, he is getting better. So if
Sam Darnold, Gino Smith, and Baker Mayfield were reborn in
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this league, there's absolutely no question Justin Fields.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
I'll tell you this.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
He's more athletic than all those guys, and he's got
as good arm as all those guys. So I know
you think I'm smiling, but what I'm saying is I
don't think it's fair. Jaden Daniels as an outlier, Let's
be fair with Justin Fields. So he's not a polarizing guy.
People want to help him. When you're Jay Cutler in
half the league doesn't like you, it's hard to find
everybody in the building that you can't galvanize a group.
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Everybody wants Justin to succeed. That's the Sam Darnold story.
Everybody likes Sam, everybody's working in Sam's direction.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
It's not a divided.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Room, and he's getting better, not great. But he's getting better.
Speaker 7 (26:29):
All right, let's just say it.
Speaker 8 (26:31):
It's weird because when I'm high on the Jets, you're like, dude,
get a clue.
Speaker 7 (26:35):
And now you sound bullish.
Speaker 8 (26:37):
On Fields and the Jets, and I'm like, I've seen
this story before.
Speaker 7 (26:40):
It feels like the.
Speaker 8 (26:41):
Charlie Brown pulling the football out.
Speaker 7 (26:43):
It's like, all right, justin Fields, he's getting better. We
got this.
Speaker 8 (26:46):
The new OC Ben Johnson's like hyping up the new
Jets offensive coordinator. I guess he was with the Lions
and Aaron Glenn and like, I'm not gonna get excited.
Speaker 7 (26:54):
I'm sorry, I'm.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Just not What is there over under six and a half?
Speaker 7 (26:57):
I think it was five and a half.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Now I would take the over. Yeah, it's a good roster.
I take the over on that. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
And also if they do get that, if they do
land that tight end Warren, now you've got a star
tight end, a star left tackle, a star wide receiver.
All right, they're not a five and twelve team. If
they get a couple of good picks early, they're not
a five and twelve team.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
That they're not. That a roster's too good to be
five and twelve.
Speaker 7 (27:22):
As a jen a fan.
Speaker 8 (27:23):
I know what five and twelve looks like, and this
looks like five. I'm sorry that's a little hors but
it has been a decade of futility. Come on, Woodie,
we gotta do we gotta do something. Take for Archsbato.
I don't even know if arch Dada is gonna be good.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Jmak with the news.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by it.
You know heard lie?
Speaker 3 (27:46):
If I tell you what I did last night, you
can't judge me. You can't. I'm gonna say something. I'm
not sure.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
I thought about this this morning as I was sitting
you know, after we prep I get something to, you know, eat,
and I'm sitting there and we had.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
A lot of fun last night.
Speaker 7 (28:00):
You seem a little juiced up. What went?
Speaker 3 (28:03):
I had a lot of fun, But you can't judge
me if I tell you you.
Speaker 7 (28:06):
Either went to a comedy show or a strip club.
One of them.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
I don't do, okay those, but I had a great
time and I it was. You can't judge me, though,
I what are you worried about your judging?
Speaker 3 (28:19):
I'm very very much.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
I'm not gonna well, I went to my favorite restaurant
sleigh steak.
Speaker 7 (28:26):
How was that judging?
Speaker 1 (28:27):
I'm not judge, but last night I had caviar followed
by oysters followed by a cocktail.
Speaker 7 (28:34):
What's wrong with that?
Speaker 3 (28:35):
I said?
Speaker 1 (28:36):
That is really I mean, I felt like a Russian oligarch.
I literally had vodka, caviar and oysters.
Speaker 8 (28:43):
Like, maybe you'll get into the brouligarchy or whatever they're
calling it.
Speaker 7 (28:46):
The cabinet will be late at.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
D Are you thinking I'm a little over the top
on that.
Speaker 7 (28:50):
No, that's not that bad. I was expecting something like, because.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
I was sitting there last night looking around at everything,
and I'm like, boy, this is I boy, this is
a bit much.
Speaker 7 (28:59):
Were there any like, you know, twenty instag.
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This restaurants for grown ups?
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The Battle for the Inaugural College Basketball Crown continues tonight
with the first of our quarterfinals, starting with Butler taking
on Boise State, followed by Nebraska Georgetown. It all starts
at six thirty Eastern only on FS one.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
I wonder if that'll become the new NIT.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
NIT feels like it's kind of gone disappeared over the
last several years. So do we do March Madness and
then the Fox created Sports basketball Tournament?
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Kind of interesting?
Speaker 1 (30:50):
So listen. Adam Schefter's a guy I trust. He says
it's increasingly unlikely that Shador Sanders quarterback Colorado Dion Sun's
going to go in.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
The top three.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
We had Albert Beer else I trust, on this show yesterday.
He's hearing, uh, Cleveland may move off him. Here is
Albert Breer from yesterday.
Speaker 11 (31:08):
I would say, ab Dull Carter two to Cleveland, Travis
Hunter at three to the Giants. I think the Giants
have protected themselves so they don't have to force anything
at quarterback. And I do think, you know, like the
idea of taking Travis Hunter and then maybe a day
two quarterback where you're not tied to that guy for
the next ten years, but you get it. You're taking
a shot at it might work better for them. My
(31:30):
guess right now would be that neither of them take
Shador and then it becomes anywhorse. Guess where Shador goes,
because like I said to you last week, like he's
sort of like Bonnicks to me like this, they're like
this this year's version of bon Knicks where last year
or very few teams that had Bonnicks as a first
round pick, he had to find a fit and he
obviously found that in Denver and no one cares or
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anybody had him anymore because he played great for the Broncos.
I think that's Chador this year, where a lot of
teams don't look him in as the first round talent
and he's gonna have to find a fit.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
So I guess people not in love with Shdor Sanders
the staff here just mentioned it during the break. Is
he tua Like there's nothing you go wow other than
he's really accurate. But if I talked to Steve Kaimes,
somebody of mind of former ten year two time NFL
executive year GM for years and years, and we talk
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about this like every great quarterback in league history has
a superpower, like Jalen Hurts is the strongest quarterback pound
for pound in league history, squats over six hundred pounds.
Lamar Jackson, twitchiness and speed, Joe Burrow precision in a
muddy pocket. Matt Stafford all time elite arm talent. Now
there's Josh Allen and the Holmes are great at multiple things.
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That's why they're the two best quarterbacks in the league.
Jacob Jayden Daniels, by the way, for the Washington Commanders,
last year, you sought very early. You sought late September.
His poise late in games, his poise and calm late,
you know, third down, fourth down, trailing Like that's his superpower.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Brough pretty superpower.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
He's an unbelievably quick processor and the courage to throw
the ball into traffic. He's got a short memory. So
whatever it is, what is Shoulder Sanders superpower? It's like Tua.
He's accurate, he's not real big, little undersize, not a
big arm, can move a little bit. I think bow
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Knicks is a better athlete than Shoulder Sanders or two.
I think bow Nicks actually is pretty cut and moves
pretty well. So it's this is one of these like
I get the critics. I get people that go like,
for instance, Caleb Williams struggled in year one one. But
Caleb Williams and cam Ward this year's number one pick,
those are playmakers. Those guys got for their size, big arms,
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move exceedingly well, can break tackles. Like, those guys are playmakers.
You don't have to argue about it in debate it.
Cam Ward. There's a lot of special little backyard football.
Caleb Williams the knock on him little backyard football. But
you see the superpower. You don't see it with Shadour.
So in fact, the thing I like most about Shahduur
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Sanders is what he had to overcome bad old line,
no run game. So that's a very NFL like.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
Entry.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
Like in the NFL, if you go to a top
seven or eight team, usually you have a week o line,
not a great complement of weapons, and you got to
kind of create your own momentum inertia like. So that's
kind of what Matt Ryan had to do with BC
or Big Ben at Miami of Ohio. You know, that's
why there's not as many SEC or Ohio State quarterbacks
starring in the NFL because life's easier USC Again, Matt Lioner,
(34:44):
I always use this Matt Lioner barely got touched. That's
not a real NFL life. If you're three or four
years with great protection and amazing receivers, then you go
to the NFL and it's jarring. No Shadour Sanders is
running for his life. That's what marsh Allen had to
do for three years like that. That's that's outside of
maybe the packers who always have good old lines. You know,
(35:08):
most of this leaving Kansas City's had a couple of
really bad old lines from mahomes and Super Bowls. So
I get the critics. Joel Klatt likes him. Joel Clatt
used to quarterback in Colorado. He likes Simmy thinks a
lot of it. He said, Yesterday's kind of lazy opinions
on it. But it's you know, I get the critics like,
(35:29):
there's not a lot there. I go, wow, now here's
another one. This is interesting. So a cord of this
is really interesting. Multiple multiple NFL execs, speaking of chadur
and the number two pick in an article, are saying
had this come from the athletic Execs around the league
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remain most interested in what Cleveland has planned at quarterback.
One of them said here, if I'm Cleveland, I don't
love schadur At number two. I have a two time
coach of the Year. I have a that just got
a second contract. Maybe you could survive worst team in
the league for a year and go get arch Manning.
So here's the reason that there's a little credibility with this.
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And multiple execs in the league are quoted in this article.
This isn't one execut it's like four. So here's why
I buy into it. For two reasons. Number one, the
owner Jimmy Haslam kind of gave his GM and his
coach a little bit of breathing room when he came
out this past week and said, yeah, it.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
Was it's on me.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
It's a big swing and a miss on DeShawn. So
that may be a little bit of a hey, I'm
going to own some of this stuff. Owners don't do
that a lot. Jimmy Haslam do his credit said I'm
an owner. That's a big swing and a miss by us.
That means Jimmy had a lot of pull in that.
Here's the other reason, and this isn't great about Jimmy Haslam.
I've used a term for years in this business called
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low self esteem sports franchises. The Bills had it before
Josh Allen. They'd reach on stuff. Cleveland constantly overpays and
reaches a quarterback or just misses on court. Johnny manzil Oh,
we love is Hubris boy. You know, Baker probably a
reach at number one, though he is certainly capable. Deshaun
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Watson guaranteed contract. Basically, Cleveland is the opposite of the
Green Bay Packers. The Packers are a high self esteem
sports franchise because they're winners. I mean when the last
time the Packers had a three year bad stretch. They're patient,
they're thoughtful, They've got a formulaic way to build offensive lines.
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So the Packers are a high It's like somebody with
high self esteem. They don't have to show off somebody
with low self esteem. You know, they put the parrot
on their shoulder when they go to a party. Hey, everybody,
look at me. That's Cleveland. And so now arch Manning.
The idea here is they're going to tank for a
quarterback for next year's draft. And the quarterback in the
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article says it's arch Manning. Well, what is arch Manning?
He started two games last year as a sophomore. This
isn't Andrew Luck. Where Andrew Luck was the best player
in the Pac twelve as as sophomore. If you go back,
he had thirty two touchdowns, eight picks, mobile, tough, smart,
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like Andrew Luck is a sophomore, you didn't have to
wait around. It was like, Oh, that guy's gonna be
a superstar. Second in the he voting. As a sophomore.
Arch Manning barely played. So I mean the idea, but
it makes me Cleveland would do this Manzelle, Deshaun Watson, Baker.
I could see them saying, hey, arch Many, look at
their history. Nobody was going to give to Shaan Watson
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a guaranteed deal.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
Cleveland did. Nobody else loved Johnny Manziel, Cleveland did. Baker
was polarizing. First pick.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
I'm not sure at Cleveland, so they would take they
would overdraft or overpay quarterback. Next year's quarterback draft class
is better than this one, but it's not an all timer.
There's three or four guys that people like. They're not
in love with any of them yet. So you just
start looking at the last thirty years and I've I've
(39:07):
talked packers in Browns last thirty years. Packers have had
back to back losing seasons only one time, so they're
a patient, thoughtful. You know, they can draft Aaron and Sidham,
they can draft Jordan Love. Jordan Love can have a
bad half season. They don't overreact. Cleveland tends to be
We're in a division with Baltimore and Burrow and Pittsburgh.
(39:28):
How do we catch up. Let's take a massive swing
and they just strike.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
Out a lot.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
So I mean, I got suck for Luck. I understood
that campaign because he was so dominant as a sophomore.
I saw him live twice. He was easily the best
player on the field as a sophomore. In every game
he played in the Pac twelve, he was easily the
best player. Arch Manning, he moves pretty well. I think
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he could be good. Now the Manning do know the
haslums because you know, Peyton went there and Jimmy haslms
from Tennessee, so I'm sure they've been in the same
room and had a conversation before. So it's not like
they wouldn't allow arch Manning the family to you know,
play in Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
But I don't know.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
I mean, to me, I understood people losing games for
Lebron or Bryce Harper. I understood, like agencies lining up
when he was thirteen years old for Tiger Woods. I
understand people tanking for Cooper Flag. Those that stuff is
Cooper Flag should be in high school and he's the
(40:37):
best player easily in college basketball, Like easily this article,
multiple execs are saying, I think they could tank. Well,
they're not tanking from the Penn State quarterback. That's not
what they're doing here. They would tank for Arch Manning,
who could be great. But generally, by a sophomore year
in college, you get a little bit of a feel.
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Trevor Lawrence says a freshman won, and Natty it's like, okay.
Caleb Williams came in for Oklahoma. Remember that he was
a freshman. They had another kid that was highly tuned.
He came in I think it was middle or end
of the year with Lincoln Riley and Oklahoma.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
Everybody went, who whoa, whoa, whoah, whoa what is that?
Speaker 5 (41:13):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Spencer Rattler was Spencer Raytler, And all of a sudden,
Caleb came in played like three games and people were.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
Like, who is this?
Speaker 8 (41:20):
It's one thing for you and I to discuss, Hey,
tank for next year, let's go for this guy. I
would say, I'm sorry, there's zero point zero percent chance.
The Browns brain trust is like, hey, let's cut the roster.
Speaker 7 (41:31):
Be awful for.
Speaker 8 (41:32):
An entire year because so many things can happen. You
lose the locker room, you're getting blown out fifteen or nothing.
Then they'll run you out of town. I don't buy that.
Let's tank. By the way, do you retain Miles Garrett
and tell him what you're gonna do a quarterback?
Speaker 1 (41:43):
If you're tanking for arts Manning, well, if he signed
a long term deal, you're like, bro, we may be
a little bumpy next year. The future's coming. I mean
the Browns have had losing seasons eight out of ten years.
That messes with your self esteem.
Speaker 7 (41:56):
You take big and now you're going for three wins.
You can get a guy who's never start.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
I'm not it's not a banging arch Manning, but six
six execs recorded in the article ye
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in America if you're looking for careers. The worst job
in America, at least for a night. The worst job
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in America for a night was Julius Randall guarding Nikoli
Jokicic last night, who played fifty three minutes sixty one points,
another triple double after the game in Minnesota one. But
after the game, Julius Randall said, my body's in shock.
I feel absolutely awful. He's shooting turnaround jumpers. Is Jokich
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off the wrong foot? I don't know what I'm watching
out there. Listen, all great big men in my life
have had one or two great defining characteristics. Kareem the skyhook,
Russell rebounding in defense a team, the footwork, shack, the power.
And then there's Jokich, who is the modern definition of basketball.
(01:38):
He does about six things well, shoot, pass, screens, postplay,
handles the ball, outlet passing maybe the best.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
In the league.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
He's currently second in the NBA in steals. It is
very lebron redefining what a basketball player is. Of versatility.
We have never seen and you know, a lot of
NBA superstars, and this is probably why the sport is
culturally important and artistically important. A lot of the superstars
fly past you or jump over you.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Mj that's not Jokic. He sort of.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Rolls past you and he leans into you. He's not
jumping over anybody. Draymond Green, one of the great defenders
in NBA history, acknowledges, Yeah, I can stop Giannis, I
can't stop Joker.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
I'm white flag. I give up. I give up.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
And a lot of NBA stars are like action films,
mesmerizing to watch. Jokic is the best book layered chapters,
each elevating the last chapter.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Character development, a lot of depth.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
There's a little Bill Walton here, and absolutely some r
Vetas Sabonis. It feels like the two great port centers
of all time, the passing, the intelligence, the ability to score.
But this book is better than the movie. And most
aren't read this book. It is all time stuff. Like
I know, it's not always you know wow, but you
(03:15):
know when you talk to opposing players. Julius Randalls six
's eight in a load, and he sounds like last
night he dealt with a Serbian bear. My body is awful.
I give up. I don't even know what I'm doing here.
Three times more triple doubles than anybody in the league.
In fact, you know, as great as Magic Johnson or
(03:37):
Lebron are Is Jokich is the only basketball player in
my entire life, and I've been watching the NBA since
the seventies that if you said, yeah, guy in the
NBA last night had thirty six, thirteen and eleven. And
it's not a headline, it's just what he does. The
greatest book in NBA history, depth and chapters and layers.
(04:02):
It keeps getting better. What's the conclusion, Well, he's got
three MVPs and a trophy, and any All Star appears.
In fact, one of my favorite parts of Jokic he
doesn't like the NBA All Star Game. He doesn't fit.
Part of him is anti NBA. He really is. He's
like the book that doesn't even want to be made
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into a movie. No, I'm good just being a book.
Here's his coach and aunt.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
After Nicola came up to me after the third quarter
and I said, Coach, I'm good. You know, leave me
in there. You know, I don't want to come out.
Let me just keep playing. He was in a good
rhythm obviously. Sixty one points, tenn assists, ten rebounds, two steals.
The guy's superman. Oh my god, he might be the
best basketball player I've ever seen, like close up, besides
(04:51):
my like besides myself to myself.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Bro, he's incredible.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
The MVP race is tough, now I don't. Yes, that's crazy.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Yeah, it is for everybody except the joker.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
So I saw Jed York owns the San Francisco forty
nine Ers, a fairly low profile outside of the Bay Area.
We know Robert Kraft or we know Jerry Jones, he's
a little bit more under the radar, like a Stan Cronkey.
You know him in the town he's in, but you
know he's not out in the press a lot. But
he said yesterday, yeah, Brock, pretty deal is going to
(05:30):
get done. Here is Jed York on this contract that
is looming.
Speaker 6 (05:36):
We want to make sure that Brock is a long
term partner. We want to make sure that he's a
part of our team for a long time. And it's
a decision. I don't know exactly when we made it,
but it was somewhere in the middle of the season,
knowing that you can start negotiating at the end of
the third year, and it's like, all right, he's our guy,
and if he's our guy, you have.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
To know that and make those decisions. And that's where
we are right now.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
And he's Kyle's guy, and that's the key. His passer
rating was thirteenth, as completion percentage was seventeenth. Wins he
was eighteenth. This is all about Kyle Shanahan. The franchise
is Kyle's Kyle and Sean McVay, they're the franchise. It
doesn't know what's work that way. In Philadelphia, Howie Roseman
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is the soul in the centerpiece. He's the leading voice
in Kansas City or Green Bay. It shared among many people,
But if Kyle Shanahan views brock Purty as a top
ten quarterback, then he is the deal will get done.
I mean, Matt Stafford is great, one of the great
arm talents of my life in the NFL, but it's
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the voice of Sean McVay that moved into Stafford off
of golf and will move eventually off of Stafford in
New England. For years, what was the term in Belichick
we trust? It wasn't in Brady. It was in Belichick.
Bill was the singular decis making voice in big spots.
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Now you can get into trouble when there's Seattle. Russell
Wilson and Pete Carroll both felt like they deserved a
little more of the credit for being the voice that
led to a divorce. I think in Green Bay Mike
McCarthy and Aaron Rodgers both felt a little disrespected, wanted
(07:23):
a little more control that led to a divorce. But
in San Francisco, there are two things about brock Purty
that Kyle Shanahan loves. Number One, Cognitively, he can really
read a defense quickly. Sam Darnold said he'd never seen
a quarterback like that. He can just see the field
(07:45):
very quick processor. And the second thing is and for
a smaller quarterback, this is rare he's got He'll let
her rip.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
He will absolutely let her rip.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
He was fourth in Big Time twenty plus yard passing plays,
and that was without Brandon Ayuk.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
He'll let it go.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
He sees the play quickly, he processes uber quickly and
then lets her rip. Garoppolo wouldn't do that. Trey Lance
wouldn't do that. They'd hold the ball. They didn't have
that arm. Confidence pretty does. So you may have fifty
five guys on the roster and fourteen trainers and twenty
seven scouts and the executive front office is thirty five people.
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But most organizations have a singular voice that makes the
biggest decisions. And in San Francisco, that's Kyle Shanahan. Now,
he didn't never ring. He's lost big leads in big games.
And there are some skeptics, and I do think sometimes
Kyle Shanahan is too tied to the play sheet. McVay
is willing to blow it up second quarter, third quarter
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and start over Shanahan not as much, but Perty's going
to get the bag because Kyle Shanahan believes he's a
top ten quarterback and this whole sport is belief. Do
you believe in yourself, even the quarterback? And in San Francisco, yes,
and yes, that's your answer, and that's why he'll get
the bag.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
J Mac, you know it.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
It is funny when I was I was thinking of
Jokics this morning in that you know, Kareem was another
guy where in the All Star Game used to be
much different.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
They played defense and stuff.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
But most of the great players in league history are
really fun in the All Star Game. They really did
understand it. Even if they're not superstar players Blake Griffin,
they're superstar attractions. Joker is the one guy in this
league that is fairly worthless in the All Star Game,
and he's the best player in the league. And he
doesn't even look like he fits in it. Like he's like, guys,
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this isn't this isn't really my game. And I think
I respect him more for that. Like he is, you know,
they use the term unicorn. He's the unicorn. He doesn't
play like the NBA. He rolls into you and passed you.
He doesn't fly up or over you. He doesn't work
with the All Star festivities. But we are looking at
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I think, not only the best player in the game,
but a combination of the best two or three. Bill
Walton years, the best of Sabonis when he was overseas,
and I think he's entered a territory of a top
three or four player center in the history of the sport.
Speaker 7 (10:19):
Yeah, I'm with you.
Speaker 8 (10:20):
You know, you look at Shaq, who was utterly dominant,
a Kima Lajah one.
Speaker 7 (10:23):
I think you'll get just right there in the discussion
with them.
Speaker 8 (10:25):
I know the Shaq fans won't want to hear that,
because nobody does a dominant He.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Does far more better than Shak. Shaq couldn't hit free throws.
There was Shack attack, there was foul him late. People
wanted Shaq to shoot late. Yeah, Yoka very limited.
Speaker 8 (10:38):
Right outside the lane, right, Jokic is killing you from
three defensively. I know he doesn't look like an Adonis.
Shaq was just a hulking, incredible hole type figure. But
Jokich right now, I mean, I don't know how there's
a discussion with him in SGA for MVP, like SGA
is just on the team with the best record.
Speaker 7 (10:56):
They might win seventy games. Yeah, but to me, Yokiz
has to be the end.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Well, he's He's been the best basketball player in the
world for four years running.
Speaker 8 (11:02):
I made a case that Luca for a while was there,
and Luca was with him, but Yo Kich just pulled away.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
It's funny whenever you do top ten all time NBA lists,
like at this point, he's got to be in it.
He I mean, I'm just I'm sorry, but you can't
put a keem in shack near it and not Jokic.
I'm sorry, folks, see ten, top ten or fifteen? I again,
do you want another year?
Speaker 3 (11:26):
But he is?
Speaker 1 (11:27):
You know, I remember when Jordan was the best player
in the NBA. I can remember talking to somebody about this.
I said, the gap between Jordan and two was greater
than two to eight or two to ten.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
I think that's where we are with Jokic.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
The gap between him and the second best player could
be Tatum and SG Jannis. I mean, Draymond Green can
hold Yannis to five field goals. Draymond Green has no
ability to stop him. None our best defensive player I
mean Dennis Rodman was a little bit like that. You know,
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against certain players, like he could stop almost everybody, and
then you know, you get into certain matchups where there's
not a lot you could do to stop MJ or
Kobe in his prime.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
I we just have to be honest about this.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
If you're gonna put Duncan, if you're gonna put Shocked
and a team all time great players near that top
ten or twelve, it's silly not to put him in there.
Speaker 8 (12:28):
If you're having a draft of the top centers of
all time and you give me the first pick, I
would go Jokic over any of the time.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
I would go Kareem second. Yeah, yeah, I would go
Jokic because of his ability. Now again old rules, knew
a part of what makes him so powerful as the
three point shot. But I think Jokic and Kareem to me,
I mean, Kareem was a dominant defensive player, a dominant
offensive player early career, could run the floor. But there's
when you can do six things well, it's like they
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stay in baseball a five tool player. Oh, Tawny, is
Jokic the modern athlete lebron Otani Jokic, you can't defy him.
You can't define them by position. They do too many things.
Speaker 8 (13:07):
Well, Yokic is going to finish top two in MVP
for the fifth straight year. Only one other guy in
the modern era has done that. His name's Larry Bird.
So Jokic is in historic territory right now, Colin, I
don't want to see him from the Lakers in the
second round.
Speaker 7 (13:21):
I do not.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
I don't think much.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Rather face Okay, go look at Jokic against Anthony Davis
and Anthony Davis it was I thought the last two
years was the best defensive player in the year. He
may not win the award, but he's playing great defense.
I mean, he will hold Jokic to twenty eighth, nine
and nine, and you're like, what an effort that guy
shut him down, and they and in those games, the
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Lakers never won them. I think at one point, Denver
one twelve in a row. So it's the Jokers got
three MVPs in the title. A team's got one MVP,
Shack one MVP. Now Shaq's got four titles, but well, Shack.
Speaker 8 (13:58):
Had you know Kobe Bryant one, he's coat.
Speaker 7 (14:01):
Jamal Murray's never been an All Star.
Speaker 8 (14:02):
Dan's you'll gets your second best player, like, come on,
what do we do?
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
and noon Easter nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio
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Speaker 1 (14:14):
So the Warriors beat the Memphis Grizzlies last night. The
Warriors are on fire and the Grizzlies are melting at
the end of the season. So whoever faces the Grizzlies
in the playoffs first round is getting a real break.
And last night the Warriors big three, Steph, Draymond and
Jimmy Butler crushed ninety two points, twenty six rebounds, twenty
four US says, and the Warriors are now eighteen and two.
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When Steph and Jimmy Butler are both playing and they're
all twelve and ozer, this is important. They're undefeated when
they go with their really small lineup where Kaminga's off
the bench and it's Steph, POD's Moody Butler and Draymond.
It's the no center Warriors. And they've also gone a
really good bench here. Buddy Heal can give you a
shooting Jonathan Kaminga can give you some length and athleticism
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post and Kavon Looney, give you a size, Jill Santos like,
that's one of the better NBA benches. It's not just
a Jimmy Butler thing. They play nine guys, ten guys.
Now they're fifth in the West. If they beat the
Lakers tomorrow in LA, they're one game in a fourth
place and this matters. We are looking at today a
Warrior Laker first round playoff series. But trading for Butler
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gave this team two guys Dramon and Jimmy Butler that
can get more good looks for Steph Curry. And he's
hard to play with because he's sort of freestyling. And
the offense under Steve Kerr has always sort of been
the adults only pool at the resort. Kids, you're not
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welcome here. They tried, James Wiseman could not catch up.
It's like playing with Tom Brady in New England, like
young receivers. It just didn't work. It just Tom wasn't
gonna sit around and wait for you. So this Warriors offense,
it is a lot of spacing, It does a lot
of motion, and it's how can you adapt and play
with Steph Curry because nobody moves off ball like Steph.
(16:05):
So you've got to be intuitive, a quick thinker. You've
got a lot of a lot of basketball miles. I
mean KD worked instantly, andre Igwidalo worked in instantly, Andrew
Boget works, Jimmy Butler works. These are smart veteran players
with a lot of basketball miles that you don't have
to teach how to play basketball. It is a split
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second decision offense, and squirrely guys and young guys have
never fit here. Too much motion, too much space, and
too much quick decision making. So Steph's not actually always
the easiest player to play with. He's a great guy.
You don't get ego, but he is moving so much
(16:47):
with the ball and off the ball. You have got
to pay attention. You can't sit in the corner and
just watch. You are part of this motion. Jimmy Butler
gets it. Draymond gets it. They have not lost a
game when they go with their smaller starting lineup, kaminga
buddy Healed off the bench, their size Looney post off
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the bench. Here is Steve Kerr on last night. Steph
Curry twelve three pointers fifty two points, overshadowed on a
night by Jokich.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
But here's Steve Kerr.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
The guy's thirty seven years old.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
It's incredible, fifty two points with people draped all over
him all game long. I've been watching this for eleven years,
and actually longer before I became coach.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
I was enjoying watching and play. But to coach him,
you get a real.
Speaker 5 (17:36):
Sense of just the magnitude of his.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Talent, his.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
Characters, work ethic. Guy's amazing to watch and we're lucky
to have him.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Yeah, it's really a spectacle. And when Mark Jackson was
a coach, it was a good team. But there is
something about Kerr's offense and the motion and the two
nature of it like it takes special player like Draymond
Green had a lot of college games under a great coach,
Tom Izzo, so he was able to work with this
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very quickly. Draymond is thinking the game, not playing it.
Katie the same way. It's taken Moody years to get there.
But you can't just throw guys into Steph Curry and
A Noah's works. There have been guys that have not
worked when they get away from what.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
There really are.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
It's the fastest, most motion, most movement offense in the league,
and it takes special guys to play with it. And
Jimmy Butler has got a Draymond feel. He just gets
he gets Steph good looks. He feels the game and
thinks the game, not just plays it. And last night's
another great example of that. Today it would be Lakers
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Warriors first round. NBA is probably thinking, we don't want that.
We don't want to get rid of one of these teams.
I'm not sure if that's good. It'd be the highest
rated first round playoff series in the last decade. I'm
not sure it's great for the league to have those
guys going at it.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Something to watch, though. J Mack with the News on
the news.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
This is the Herdline.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
News, all right.
Speaker 8 (19:07):
So yesterday Jerry Jones and Micah Parsons and the agent
for Parsons, it all got super interesting. Jerry has still
not spoken of Micah's agent about the contract, but he
did talk to the media about the ongoing discussions.
Speaker 9 (19:22):
It's not uncommon for me to visit directly with players,
and in this particular case, that's the way I'm doing it.
The agent is not a factor here of something to
worry about, and I don't know his name, and so
my point is that I'm not trying to demean him
in any way. But you just saidn't about an agent.
(19:45):
Anybody can do this, and that's tawd directly to a player.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Yeah, I mean he's writ in the check, so he's
not wrong here. Agents can facilitate, but in the end,
Jerry's the one that's going to make the ultimate decision
on this.
Speaker 8 (20:00):
Sorry, isn't there a board or something that can be
Like Jerry, you're getting a little old buddy.
Speaker 7 (20:06):
You screwed us.
Speaker 8 (20:07):
With Dak because you dragged it out. He made him
the richest guy in the NFL and he ain't worth it.
And now you're messing up to Michael Parson's thing. Maybe
it's time to remove him from contract negotations.
Speaker 7 (20:17):
You know that's a hard thing to say.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
That's not going to happen, no shot. Well, I said
this a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
What you don't want to do is you become an
older owner has become Al Davis. Al Davis was a visionary.
He was a unique all time really knew the game,
and I think Jerry's better than most at knowing the
game a little bit. But as he got older, it
was a little bit more vanity and a little stubbornness
and a little rigidity. I'm gonna do it my way,
and you have to be careful about that.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
That is why, like, I feel like.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
The Lakers are a family, but bringing JJ Reddick in
is a new set of eyes and ears. So JJ
Reddick as a higher is like a really nice fresh
set of eyes and perspective that I was like, Oh,
that's a really smart hire by the Lakers. Brian Schottenheimer,
coach of the Cowboys, feels like a friend of a
friend of a friend. So I do think the Cowboys
(21:02):
have reached We've reached sort of this line with them
is if you're not going to bring out people willing
to make Jerry uncomfortable parcels did, Jimmy Johnson did in
the end, Jason Garrett didn't, Mike McCarthy didn't, Brian Schottenheimer didn't,
Stephen Jones doesn't. So you had like the Lakers hiring
JJ Reddicks like we don't.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
He's a duke guy. He's never really played here.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
It's totally he's a broadcaster that's criticized us. I think
you have to bring people in occasionally that make you
a little uncomfortable, and Dallas hasn't done.
Speaker 7 (21:35):
That in a long time. The reason is because of Jerry.
Speaker 8 (21:38):
It's not like Jeanie Buss is mixing a JJ Reddickier.
Speaker 7 (21:42):
That's a Rob Polincoln Lebron thing. Yeah, and that's the
Cowboys need this.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
You know.
Speaker 8 (21:46):
Frankly, I'm actually happy that this is going so poorly
for Dallas because Colin. It means they're gonna stick next
year and then we don't have to talk about him
as much. Yeah, that's the reality. Like I'm done with
Aaron Rodgers, I'm done with the Cowboys.
Speaker 7 (21:57):
Like they're not They're irrelevant.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
I said this a couple of years ago. Research upstairs
would know the answer. But the Kansas City Chiefs are
now America's team. They've got the most popular quarterback, Taylor Swift,
dating one of their players.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
It's in the middle of the country.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
It's the holarizing well another you know, I'm and they're
in a ton of close games.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
They end up in Super Bowls.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
They occasionally, we've it started with Brady Mahomes and they
couldn't quite beat Brady, and then he went to Tampa
and they still couldn't beat Brady. But Kansas City to
me is the face of the NFL. And I gotta
tell you, if you're asking me who I want to watch, second,
it's the Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 7 (22:35):
I mean, I'd rather watch Jayden Daniels.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Than I mean, there was always even the Dak teams.
If the Cowboys were on it felt big. Kansas City
feels big, Baltimore feels big. Buffalo fields big, Philadelphia fields,
so many. San Francisco when they're healthy, feels big.
Speaker 8 (22:53):
What do you like to say about you know, and
when business, when thing change, you've got to adapt. Well,
things have changed, Aaron Rodgers, this is irrelevant now. The
Dallas Cowboys are trending toward irrelevancy. We got to move
on from those guys and start talking.
Speaker 7 (23:05):
About the new teams that matter and.
Speaker 8 (23:07):
Are interesting, because god, I hate to break it.
Speaker 7 (23:09):
You like Dallas is just they're like a six or
seven win team. Did you do the win total? Guests?
Speaker 3 (23:12):
I think they're one of the they're one of the
clear unders.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
I think Jacksonville line they're a six win team.
Speaker 8 (23:18):
All right, let's move on to Ben Johnson. He had
a lot to say it as introductory press conference, taking
the time to take a jab at rival Packers head
coach btt LeFleur, saying he couldn't wait to beat them
twice a year. Well, Lafleur responded yesterday saying, it is
what it is. I'm not going to lose too much
sleep over it. Lions have won five of six from
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the Packers.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Mmmm, well that's because that dominant all lines pushed them around. Yeah,
this is this is I'll tell you it won't be long.
If Caleb Williams hits, will won't be long before Chicago
is becoming You know, it does in the NFL, for
some reason, being great in the middle of the country matters.
When Peyton Manning is with the Colts, when the Bears
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were great, the Packers are great, Kansas City is now
is great. NBA tends to feel more coastal at times,
you know, Baseball definitely, because the money feels way more
coastal college football fields Midwest and southern. The NFL is
better to me when the teams in the middle of
the country off the coasts are great, like Philadelphia, like
is the Northeast, but it's not in d C, Boston
(24:25):
or New York.
Speaker 8 (24:25):
You might just be saying that because the Jets and
Giants have been down for maybe I am. I don't
know what it's like when the Jets are good. It's
been like fifteen years. No, No, we got to bring
Mark Stanchez in here to find out what that was like.
Final story Colin is, let's go to the Jets Justin Fields. Sure,
he's on his third team in three years, but Jets
owner Woody Johnson thinks the quarterback has found at home.
Speaker 7 (24:45):
What he said, he thinks Fields is a total winner and.
Speaker 8 (24:48):
That he's been impressed with Justin ever since he played
at Georgia.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
All right, exciting.
Speaker 8 (24:54):
We've got some stats for mister Fields here, Okay, there,
you know they are what they are.
Speaker 7 (25:00):
He's a total winner. Started his career five and twenty.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Well his Latin. Let's just go to his last sixteen starts.
Let's be fair.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
So in his last sixteen starts, you know, some of
those are Pittsburgh his last sixteen starts because all rookie
quarterback struggle and then Bears were a mess. In his
last sixteen starts, it's fairly encouraging.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Yeah, his path.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
The first thing I look at twenty six touchdowns, six picks.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
That's a nice number.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
That was Carson Wentz that last year in Indianapolis twenty
seven and seven. So we can say we want about
Justin Fields. Two things are true about Justin Fields. Everybody
likes him. He's not a polarizing guy. Old players, young players, owners, coaches.
Everybody likes him. Second, he is getting better. So if
Sam Darnold, Gino Smith, and Baker Mayfield were reborn in
(25:48):
this league, there's absolutely no question Justin Fields.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
I'll tell you this.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
He's more athletic than all those guys, and he's got
as good arm as all those guys. So I know
you think I'm smiling, but what I'm saying is I
don't think it's fair. Jaden Daniels as an outlier, Let's
be fair with Justin Fields. So he's not a polarizing guy.
People want to help him. When you're Jay Cutler in
half the league doesn't like you, it's hard to find
everybody in the building that you can't galvanize a group.
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Everybody wants Justin to succeed. That's the Sam Darnold story.
Everybody likes Sam, everybody's working in Sam's direction.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
It's not a divided.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Room, and he's getting better, not great. But he's getting better.
Speaker 7 (26:29):
All right, let's just say it.
Speaker 8 (26:31):
It's weird because when I'm high on the Jets, you're like, dude,
get a clue.
Speaker 7 (26:35):
And now you sound bullish.
Speaker 8 (26:37):
On Fields and the Jets, and I'm like, I've seen
this story before.
Speaker 7 (26:40):
It feels like the.
Speaker 8 (26:41):
Charlie Brown pulling the football out.
Speaker 7 (26:43):
It's like, all right, justin Fields, he's getting better. We
got this.
Speaker 8 (26:46):
The new OC Ben Johnson's like hyping up the new
Jets offensive coordinator. I guess he was with the Lions
and Aaron Glenn and like, I'm not gonna get excited.
Speaker 7 (26:54):
I'm sorry, I'm.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Just not What is there over under six and a half?
Speaker 7 (26:57):
I think it was five and a half.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Now I would take the over. Yeah, it's a good roster.
I take the over on that. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
And also if they do get that, if they do
land that tight end Warren, now you've got a star
tight end, a star left tackle, a star wide receiver.
All right, they're not a five and twelve team. If
they get a couple of good picks early, they're not
a five and twelve team.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
That they're not. That a roster's too good to be
five and twelve.
Speaker 7 (27:22):
As a jen a fan.
Speaker 8 (27:23):
I know what five and twelve looks like, and this
looks like five. I'm sorry that's a little hors but
it has been a decade of futility. Come on, Woodie,
we gotta do we gotta do something. Take for Archsbato.
I don't even know if arch Dada is gonna be good.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Jmak with the news.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by it.
You know heard lie?
Speaker 3 (27:46):
If I tell you what I did last night, you
can't judge me. You can't. I'm gonna say something. I'm
not sure.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
I thought about this this morning as I was sitting
you know, after we prep I get something to, you know, eat,
and I'm sitting there and we had.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
A lot of fun last night.
Speaker 7 (28:00):
You seem a little juiced up. What went?
Speaker 3 (28:03):
I had a lot of fun, But you can't judge
me if I tell you you.
Speaker 7 (28:06):
Either went to a comedy show or a strip club.
One of them.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
I don't do, okay those, but I had a great
time and I it was. You can't judge me, though,
I what are you worried about your judging?
Speaker 3 (28:19):
I'm very very much.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
I'm not gonna well, I went to my favorite restaurant
sleigh steak.
Speaker 7 (28:26):
How was that judging?
Speaker 1 (28:27):
I'm not judge, but last night I had caviar followed
by oysters followed by a cocktail.
Speaker 7 (28:34):
What's wrong with that?
Speaker 3 (28:35):
I said?
Speaker 1 (28:36):
That is really I mean, I felt like a Russian oligarch.
I literally had vodka, caviar and oysters.
Speaker 8 (28:43):
Like, maybe you'll get into the brouligarchy or whatever they're
calling it.
Speaker 7 (28:46):
The cabinet will be late at.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
D Are you thinking I'm a little over the top
on that.
Speaker 7 (28:50):
No, that's not that bad. I was expecting something like, because.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
I was sitting there last night looking around at everything,
and I'm like, boy, this is I boy, this is
a bit much.
Speaker 7 (28:59):
Were there any like, you know, twenty instag.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
This restaurants for grown ups?
Speaker 7 (29:05):
It's oh, you got to take the wife out. She's
in town, right, don't have to take her out.
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Speaker 8 (30:21):
The Battle for the Inaugural College Basketball Crown continues tonight
with the first of our quarterfinals, starting with Butler taking
on Boise State, followed by Nebraska Georgetown. It all starts
at six thirty Eastern only on FS one.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
I wonder if that'll become the new NIT.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
NIT feels like it's kind of gone disappeared over the
last several years. So do we do March Madness and
then the Fox created Sports basketball Tournament?
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Kind of interesting?
Speaker 1 (30:50):
So listen. Adam Schefter's a guy I trust. He says
it's increasingly unlikely that Shador Sanders quarterback Colorado Dion Sun's
going to go in.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
The top three.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
We had Albert Beer else I trust, on this show yesterday.
He's hearing, uh, Cleveland may move off him. Here is
Albert Breer from yesterday.
Speaker 11 (31:08):
I would say, ab Dull Carter two to Cleveland, Travis
Hunter at three to the Giants. I think the Giants
have protected themselves so they don't have to force anything
at quarterback. And I do think, you know, like the
idea of taking Travis Hunter and then maybe a day
two quarterback where you're not tied to that guy for
the next ten years, but you get it. You're taking
a shot at it might work better for them. My
(31:30):
guess right now would be that neither of them take
Shador and then it becomes anywhorse. Guess where Shador goes,
because like I said to you last week, like he's
sort of like Bonnicks to me like this, they're like
this this year's version of bon Knicks where last year
or very few teams that had Bonnicks as a first
round pick, he had to find a fit and he
obviously found that in Denver and no one cares or
(31:50):
anybody had him anymore because he played great for the Broncos.
I think that's Chador this year, where a lot of
teams don't look him in as the first round talent
and he's gonna have to find a fit.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
So I guess people not in love with Shdor Sanders
the staff here just mentioned it during the break. Is
he tua Like there's nothing you go wow other than
he's really accurate. But if I talked to Steve Kaimes,
somebody of mind of former ten year two time NFL
executive year GM for years and years, and we talk
(32:18):
about this like every great quarterback in league history has
a superpower, like Jalen Hurts is the strongest quarterback pound
for pound in league history, squats over six hundred pounds.
Lamar Jackson, twitchiness and speed, Joe Burrow precision in a
muddy pocket. Matt Stafford all time elite arm talent. Now
there's Josh Allen and the Holmes are great at multiple things.
(32:39):
That's why they're the two best quarterbacks in the league.
Jacob Jayden Daniels, by the way, for the Washington Commanders,
last year, you sought very early. You sought late September.
His poise late in games, his poise and calm late,
you know, third down, fourth down, trailing Like that's his superpower.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Brough pretty superpower.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
He's an unbelievably quick processor and the courage to throw
the ball into traffic. He's got a short memory. So
whatever it is, what is Shoulder Sanders superpower? It's like Tua.
He's accurate, he's not real big, little undersize, not a
big arm, can move a little bit. I think bow
(33:23):
Knicks is a better athlete than Shoulder Sanders or two.
I think bow Nicks actually is pretty cut and moves
pretty well. So it's this is one of these like
I get the critics. I get people that go like,
for instance, Caleb Williams struggled in year one one. But
Caleb Williams and cam Ward this year's number one pick,
those are playmakers. Those guys got for their size, big arms,
(33:46):
move exceedingly well, can break tackles. Like, those guys are playmakers.
You don't have to argue about it in debate it.
Cam Ward. There's a lot of special little backyard football.
Caleb Williams the knock on him little backyard football. But
you see the superpower. You don't see it with Shadour.
So in fact, the thing I like most about Shahduur
(34:09):
Sanders is what he had to overcome bad old line,
no run game. So that's a very NFL like.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
Entry.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
Like in the NFL, if you go to a top
seven or eight team, usually you have a week o line,
not a great complement of weapons, and you got to
kind of create your own momentum inertia like. So that's
kind of what Matt Ryan had to do with BC
or Big Ben at Miami of Ohio. You know, that's
why there's not as many SEC or Ohio State quarterbacks
starring in the NFL because life's easier USC Again, Matt Lioner,
(34:44):
I always use this Matt Lioner barely got touched. That's
not a real NFL life. If you're three or four
years with great protection and amazing receivers, then you go
to the NFL and it's jarring. No Shadour Sanders is
running for his life. That's what marsh Allen had to
do for three years like that. That's that's outside of
maybe the packers who always have good old lines. You know,
(35:08):
most of this leaving Kansas City's had a couple of
really bad old lines from mahomes and Super Bowls. So
I get the critics. Joel Klatt likes him. Joel Clatt
used to quarterback in Colorado. He likes Simmy thinks a
lot of it. He said, Yesterday's kind of lazy opinions
on it. But it's you know, I get the critics like,
(35:29):
there's not a lot there. I go, wow, now here's
another one. This is interesting. So a cord of this
is really interesting. Multiple multiple NFL execs, speaking of chadur
and the number two pick in an article, are saying
had this come from the athletic Execs around the league
(35:50):
remain most interested in what Cleveland has planned at quarterback.
One of them said here, if I'm Cleveland, I don't
love schadur At number two. I have a two time
coach of the Year. I have a that just got
a second contract. Maybe you could survive worst team in
the league for a year and go get arch Manning.
So here's the reason that there's a little credibility with this.
(36:12):
And multiple execs in the league are quoted in this article.
This isn't one execut it's like four. So here's why
I buy into it. For two reasons. Number one, the
owner Jimmy Haslam kind of gave his GM and his
coach a little bit of breathing room when he came
out this past week and said, yeah, it.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
Was it's on me.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
It's a big swing and a miss on DeShawn. So
that may be a little bit of a hey, I'm
going to own some of this stuff. Owners don't do
that a lot. Jimmy Haslam do his credit said I'm
an owner. That's a big swing and a miss by us.
That means Jimmy had a lot of pull in that.
Here's the other reason, and this isn't great about Jimmy Haslam.
I've used a term for years in this business called
(36:53):
low self esteem sports franchises. The Bills had it before
Josh Allen. They'd reach on stuff. Cleveland constantly overpays and
reaches a quarterback or just misses on court. Johnny manzil Oh,
we love is Hubris boy. You know, Baker probably a
reach at number one, though he is certainly capable. Deshaun
(37:14):
Watson guaranteed contract. Basically, Cleveland is the opposite of the
Green Bay Packers. The Packers are a high self esteem
sports franchise because they're winners. I mean when the last
time the Packers had a three year bad stretch. They're patient,
they're thoughtful, They've got a formulaic way to build offensive lines.
(37:35):
So the Packers are a high It's like somebody with
high self esteem. They don't have to show off somebody
with low self esteem. You know, they put the parrot
on their shoulder when they go to a party. Hey, everybody,
look at me. That's Cleveland. And so now arch Manning.
The idea here is they're going to tank for a
quarterback for next year's draft. And the quarterback in the
(37:57):
article says it's arch Manning. Well, what is arch Manning?
He started two games last year as a sophomore. This
isn't Andrew Luck. Where Andrew Luck was the best player
in the Pac twelve as as sophomore. If you go back,
he had thirty two touchdowns, eight picks, mobile, tough, smart,
(38:17):
like Andrew Luck is a sophomore, you didn't have to
wait around. It was like, Oh, that guy's gonna be
a superstar. Second in the he voting. As a sophomore.
Arch Manning barely played. So I mean the idea, but
it makes me Cleveland would do this Manzelle, Deshaun Watson, Baker.
I could see them saying, hey, arch Many, look at
their history. Nobody was going to give to Shaan Watson
(38:38):
a guaranteed deal.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
Cleveland did. Nobody else loved Johnny Manziel, Cleveland did. Baker
was polarizing. First pick.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
I'm not sure at Cleveland, so they would take they
would overdraft or overpay quarterback. Next year's quarterback draft class
is better than this one, but it's not an all timer.
There's three or four guys that people like. They're not
in love with any of them yet. So you just
start looking at the last thirty years and I've I've
(39:07):
talked packers in Browns last thirty years. Packers have had
back to back losing seasons only one time, so they're
a patient, thoughtful. You know, they can draft Aaron and Sidham,
they can draft Jordan Love. Jordan Love can have a
bad half season. They don't overreact. Cleveland tends to be
We're in a division with Baltimore and Burrow and Pittsburgh.
(39:28):
How do we catch up. Let's take a massive swing
and they just strike.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
Out a lot.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
So I mean, I got suck for Luck. I understood
that campaign because he was so dominant as a sophomore.
I saw him live twice. He was easily the best
player on the field as a sophomore. In every game
he played in the Pac twelve, he was easily the
best player. Arch Manning, he moves pretty well. I think
(39:57):
he could be good. Now the Manning do know the
haslums because you know, Peyton went there and Jimmy haslms
from Tennessee, so I'm sure they've been in the same
room and had a conversation before. So it's not like
they wouldn't allow arch Manning the family to you know,
play in Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
But I don't know.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
I mean, to me, I understood people losing games for
Lebron or Bryce Harper. I understood, like agencies lining up
when he was thirteen years old for Tiger Woods. I
understand people tanking for Cooper Flag. Those that stuff is
Cooper Flag should be in high school and he's the
(40:37):
best player easily in college basketball, Like easily this article,
multiple execs are saying, I think they could tank. Well,
they're not tanking from the Penn State quarterback. That's not
what they're doing here. They would tank for Arch Manning,
who could be great. But generally, by a sophomore year
in college, you get a little bit of a feel.
(40:58):
Trevor Lawrence says a freshman won, and Natty it's like, okay.
Caleb Williams came in for Oklahoma. Remember that he was
a freshman. They had another kid that was highly tuned.
He came in I think it was middle or end
of the year with Lincoln Riley and Oklahoma.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
Everybody went, who whoa, whoa, whoah, whoa what is that?
Speaker 5 (41:13):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Spencer Rattler was Spencer Raytler, And all of a sudden,
Caleb came in played like three games and people were.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
Like, who is this?
Speaker 8 (41:20):
It's one thing for you and I to discuss, Hey,
tank for next year, let's go for this guy. I
would say, I'm sorry, there's zero point zero percent chance.
The Browns brain trust is like, hey, let's cut the roster.
Speaker 7 (41:31):
Be awful for.
Speaker 8 (41:32):
An entire year because so many things can happen. You
lose the locker room, you're getting blown out fifteen or nothing.
Then they'll run you out of town. I don't buy that.
Let's tank. By the way, do you retain Miles Garrett
and tell him what you're gonna do a quarterback?
Speaker 1 (41:43):
If you're tanking for arts Manning, well, if he signed
a long term deal, you're like, bro, we may be
a little bumpy next year. The future's coming. I mean
the Browns have had losing seasons eight out of ten years.
That messes with your self esteem.
Speaker 7 (41:56):
You take big and now you're going for three wins.
You can get a guy who's never start.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
I'm not it's not a banging arch Manning, but six
six execs recorded in the article ye
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