April 2, 2025 • 39 mins
Colin declares Nikola Jokic the perfect model for modern basketball after an incredible 61-point performance and on pace to have his most productive season despite already winning 3 MVPs. He explains why it's obvious 49ers quarterback Brock Purdy will get a massive contract extension based on recent comments from the team owner. He also talks to NFL Draft expert Todd McShay about Shedeur Sanders as a prospect and why he might be falling in the draft
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
Thanks for listening to the Best of the Herd podcast.
Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox
Sports Radio in noon to three Eastern nine am to
noon Pacific. Find your local station for The Herd at
Fox Sports Radio dot com, or stream us live every
day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio
or FSR.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
This is the Best of the Herd with Colin Cowver
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Oh, there's a Wednesday, and it's a busy one live
in Los Angeles. It's the Herd wherever you may be
and however you may be listening. Thanks for making that's
part of your day. So you know they talk about you,
and you'll see lists sometimes jamac about the best jobs
in America, the worst jobs in America if you're looking
(00:48):
for careers. The worst job in America, at least for
a night. The worst job in America for night was
Julius Randall guarding Nicoloch last night, who played fifty three
minutes sixty one points another triple double after the game
in Minnesota one. But after the game, Julius Randall said,
(01:11):
my body's in shock. I feel absolutely awful. He's shooting
turnaround jumpers. Is Jokich off the wrong foot. I don't
know what I'm watching out there. Listen, all great big
men in my life have had one or two great
defining characteristics. Kareem the skyhook, Russell rebounding in defense a team,
(01:34):
the footwork, shack, the power. And then there's Jokich, who
is the modern definition of basketball. He does about six
things well. Shoot, pass, screens, postplay, handles the ball outlet
passing maybe the best in the league. He's currently second
in the NBA in steals. It is very lebron redefining
(01:56):
what a basketball player is. Of versatility we have never
seen and you know a lot of NBA superstars, and
this is probably why the sport is culturally important and
artistically important. A lot of the superstars fly past you
or jump over you. Mj that's not Jokic. He sort
(02:17):
of rolls past you and he leans into you. He's
not jumping over anybody. Draymond Green, one of the great
defenders in NBA history, acknowledges, yeah, I can stop Jannis.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
I can't stop Joker. I'm white flag. I give up.
I give up.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
And a lot of NBA stars are are like action films,
mesmerizing to watch Jokic is the best book, layered chapters,
each elevating the last chapter, character development, a lot of depth.
There's a little Bill Walton here, and absolutely some r
(02:58):
Vitas Sabonis. It feels like the the two great Portland
centers of all time. The passing, the intelligence, the ability
to score. But this book is better than the movie.
And most aren't read this book. It is all time stuff.
Like I know, it's not always you know, wow, but
you know when you talk to opposing players, Julius Randall's
(03:21):
six to eight in a load, and he sounds like
last night he dealt with a Serbian bear. My body
is awful. I give up. I don't even know what
I'm doing here. Three times more triple doubles than anybody
in the league, in fact, you know, as great as
Magic Johnson or Lebron are Is Yokich is the only
(03:42):
basketball player in my entire life, and I've been watching
the NBA since the seventies that if you said, yeah,
guy in the NBA last night had thirty six, thirteen
and eleven. And it's not a headline, it's just what
he does. The greatest book in NBA history, depth and
chapters and layers. It keeps getting better. What's the conclusion, Well,
(04:06):
he's got three MVPs and a trophy and any All
Star appears. In fact, one of my favorite parts of
Jokic he doesn't like the NBA All Star Game. He
doesn't fit. The part of him is anti NBA.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
He really is.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
He's like the book that doesn't even want to be
made into a movie. No, I'm good just being a book.
Here's his coach and aunt.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
After NICOLEA came up to me after the third quarter,
I said, Coach, I'm good. You know, leave me in there.
You know, I don't want to come out. Let me
just keep playing. He was in a good rhythm obviously.
Sixty one points, tenn assists, ten rebounds, two steals. The
guy's superman. Oh my god, he might be the best
basketball player I've ever seen, like CLSA, besides like, besides myself,
(04:54):
to myself, Bro, he's incredible.
Speaker 5 (04:57):
Bro.
Speaker 6 (04:58):
The MVP race is tough. No, I don't know where. Yeah,
that's crazy.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Yeah, it is for everybody except the Joker.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
So I saw Jed York owns the San Francisco forty
nine Ers, a fairly low profile outside of the Bay Area.
We know Robert Kraft, or we know Jerry Jones. He's
a little bit more under the radar, like a Stan cronkey.
You know him in the town he's in, but you
know he's not out in the press a lot. But
he said yesterday, yeah, Brock, pretty deal is going to
(05:32):
get done. Here is Jed York on this contract that
is looming.
Speaker 7 (05:37):
We want to make sure that Brock is a long
term partner. We want to make sure that he's a
part of our team for a long time. And it's
a decision. I don't know exactly when we made it,
but it was somewhere in the middle of the season,
knowing that you can start negotiating at the end of
the third year, and it's like, all right, he's our guy,
and if he's our guy, you have to know that
and make those decisions.
Speaker 6 (05:55):
And that's where we are right now.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
And he's Kyle's guy, and that's the key.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
His passer rating was thirteenth, as completion percentage was seventeenth.
Wins he was eighteenth. This is all about Kyle Shanahan.
The franchise is Kyle's Kyle and Sean McVay, they're the franchise.
It doesn't always work that way. In Philadelphia, Howie Roseman
is the soul in the centerpiece. He's the leading voice.
(06:22):
In Kansas City or Green Bay, it shared among many people.
But if Kyle Shanahan views brock Purty as a top
ten quarterback, then he is the deal will get done.
I mean, Matt Stafford is great, one of the great
arm talents of my life in the NFL, but it's
the voice of Sean McVay that moved into Stafford off
(06:46):
of golf and will move eventually off of Stafford in
New England. For years, what was the term in Belichick
we trust? It wasn't in Brady. It was in Belichick.
Bill was the singular decision making voice in big spots.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Now you can get into trouble when there's Seattle.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Russell Wilson and Pete Carroll both felt like they deserved
a little more of the credit for being the voice
that led to a divorce. I think in Green Bay
Mike McCarthy and Aaron Rodgers both felt a little disrespected,
wanted a little more control that led to a divorce.
(07:28):
But in San Francisco, there are two things about brock
perty that Kyle Shanahan loves number one. Cognitively, he can
really read a defense quickly. Sam Darnold said he'd never
seen a quarterback like that. He can just see the
field very quick processor. And the second thing is and
(07:50):
for a smaller quarterback, this is rare.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
He's got it. He'll let her rip. He will absolutely
let her rip.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
He was fourth in Big Time twenty plus yard passing
plays and that was without Brandon Ayuk.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
He'll let it go.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
He sees the play quickly, he processes uber quickly and
then lets her rip. Garoppolo wouldn't do that. Trey Lance
wouldn't do that. They'd hold the ball if they didn't
have that arm. Confidence pretty does. So you may have
fifty five guys on the roster and fourteen trainers and
twenty seven scouts, and the executive front office is thirty
(08:26):
five people. But most organizations have a singular voice that
makes the biggest decisions. And in San Francisco, that's Kyle Shanahan. Now,
he didn't never ring. He's lost big leads in big games.
And there are some skeptics, and I do think sometimes
Kyle Shanahan is too tied to the play sheet. Mcveay
is willing to blow it up second quarter, third quarter
(08:48):
and start over. Shanahan not as much, but Perty's going
to get the bag because Kyle Shanahan believes he's a
top ten quarterback, and this whole sport is belief. Even yourself,
do you believe in the quarterback and in San Francisco, yes,
and yes, that's your answer, and that's why he'll get
the bag.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
J Mac, I know it.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
It is funny when I was I was thinking of
Jokics this morning in that you know, Kareem was another
guy where in the All Star Game used to be
much different.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
They played defense and stuff.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
But most of the great players in league history are
really fun in the All Star Game. They really did
understand it. Even if they're not superstar players play Griffin,
they're superstar attractions. Joker is the one guy in this
league that is fairly worthless in the All Star Game,
and he's the best player in the league, and he
doesn't even look like he fits in it. Like he's like, guys,
(09:43):
this isn't this isn't really my game. And I think
I respect him more for that. Like he is, you know,
they use the term unicorn. He's the unicorn. He doesn't
play like the NBA. He rolls into you and passed you.
He doesn't fly up or over you. He doesn't work
with the All Star festivities. But we are looking at
(10:04):
I think, not only the best player in the game,
but a combination of the best two or three. Bill
Walton years, the best of Sabonis when he was overseas,
and I think he's entered a territory of a top
three or four player center in the history of the sport.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Yeah, I'm with you.
Speaker 8 (10:21):
You know, you look at Shaq, who was utterly dominant
Akima lajah one.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
I think you'll get just right there in the discussion
with them.
Speaker 8 (10:27):
I know the Shaq fans won't want to hear that,
because nobody does a dominant.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
He does far more better than Shak. Shaq couldn't hit
free throws. There was Shack attack, there was foul him late.
People wanted Shack to shoot late.
Speaker 8 (10:38):
Yeah, Yoki very limited right outside the lane, right, Jollkic
is killing you from three defensively. I know he doesn't
look like an Adonnas. Shack was just a hulking, incredible
hull type figure. But Jokich right now, I mean, I
don't know how there's just a discussion with him in
SGA for MVP, like SGA, just on the team with
the best record, they might win seventy games. Yeah, but
(10:59):
to Mekis has to be the end.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Well, he's he's been the best basketball player in the
world for four years running.
Speaker 8 (11:04):
I made a case that Luca for a while was there,
and Luca was with him, but Yokic just pulled away.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
It's funny whenever you do top ten all time NBA lists,
like at this point, he's got to be in it.
He I mean, I'm just I'm sorry, but you can't
put a keem in shack near it and not Jokic.
I'm sorry, folks, the.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Tenor top ten or fifteen? I again, do you want
another year? But he is?
Speaker 1 (11:29):
You know, I remember when Jordan was the best player
in the NBA. I can remember talking to somebody about this.
I said, the gap between Jordan and two was greater
than two to eight or two to ten.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
I think that's where we are with Jokic.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
The gap between him and the second best player could
be Tatum and SG Jannis. I mean, Draymond Green can
hold Yannis to five field goals. Draymond Green has no
ability to stop him. None our best defensive player. I
mean Dennis Rodman was a little bit like that, you know,
(12:09):
against certain players, like he could stop almost everybody, and
then you know, you get into certain matchups where there's
not a lot you could do to stop MJ or
Kobe in his prime.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
I we just have to be honest about this.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
If you're gonna put Duncan, if you're gonna put Shocked
and a team all time great players near that top
ten or twelve, it's silly not to put him in there.
Speaker 8 (12:30):
If you're having a draft of the top centers of
all time and you give me the first pick, I
would go Jokic over any of these.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
I would go Kareem second. Yeah, yeah, I would go
Jokic because of his ability now again old rules new
a part of what makes him so powerful as the
three point shot. But I think Jokic and Kareem to me,
I mean, Kareem was a dominant defensive player, a dominant
offensive player early career.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Could run the floor.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
But there's when you can do six things well, it's
like they stay in baseball a five tool player. Oh, tawny,
is Jokic the modern athlete Lebron Otani Jokic. You can't
defy him. You can't define them by position. They do
too many things.
Speaker 8 (13:08):
Well, Yokic is gonna finish top two in MVP for
the fifth straight year. Only one other guy in the
modern era has done that. His name's Larry Bird. So
Jokic is in historic territory right now, Colin.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
I don't want to see him. If I'm the Lakers
in the second round, I do not. I don't know much.
Rather face Okay, So go.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Look at Jokic against Anthony Davis. And Anthony Davis it
was I thought the last two years was the best
defensive player in the year. He may not win the award,
but he's playing great defense. I mean, he will hold
Jokic to twenty eight, nine and nine, and you're like,
what an effort that guy shut him down and they
and in those games, the Lakers never won them. I
(13:47):
think at one point, Denver one twelve in a row.
So it's the Jokers got three MVPs in the title.
A team's got one MVP, Shack one MVP. Now Shaq's
got four titles, but well.
Speaker 8 (13:59):
Shack had you know Kobe Bryant, come on, he's coat.
Jamal Murray's never been an all starts. You'll get your
second best player, like, come on, what.
Speaker 6 (14:06):
Do we do?
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
and Noone Easter nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio
FS one and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
So the Warriors beat the Memphis Grizzlies last night. The
Warriors are on fire and the Grizzlies are melting at
the end of the season. So whoever faces the Grizzlies
in the playoffs first round is getting a real break.
And last night the Warriors Big three, Steph, Draymond and
Jimmy Butler crushed ninety two points, twenty six rebounds, twenty.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Four US says.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
And the Warriors are now eighteen and two when Steph
and Jimmy Butler are both playing and they're all twelve
and oh this is important. They're undefeated when they go
with their really small lineup where Kaminga's off the bench
and it's Steph, POD's Moody Butler and Draymond. It's the
no center Warriors. And they've also got a really good
bench here. Buddy, Heal can give you a shooting. Jonathan
(14:56):
Kaminga can give you some length and athleticism, post and
Kavon Looney give you a size. Gil Santos like, that's
one of the better NBA benches. It's not just a
Jimmy Butler thing. They play nine guys, ten guys. Now
they're fifth in the West. If they beat the Lakers
tomorrow in LA, they're one game in a fourth place
and this matters. We are looking at today a Warrior
(15:17):
Laker first round playoff series. But trading for Butler gave
this team two guys Dramon and Jimmy Butler that can
get more good looks for Steph Curry. And he's hard
to play with because he's sort of freestyling. And the
offense under Steve Kerr has always sort of been the
(15:39):
adults only pool at the resort. Kids, you're not welcome here.
They tried James Wiseman could not catch up. It's like
playing with Tom Brady in New England, like young receivers.
It just didn't work. It just Tom wasn't gonna sit
around and wait for you. So this Warriors offense, it
is a lot of spacing, It has a lot of motion,
(16:00):
and it's how do you adapt and play with Steph
Curry because nobody moves off ball like Steph. So you've
got to be intuitive, a quick thinker. You've got a
lot of a lot of basketball miles. I mean KD
worked instantly, andre Igwodalo worked in instantly, Andrew Boget works,
Jimmy Butler works. These are smart veteran players with a
(16:23):
lot of basketball miles that you don't have to teach
how to play basketball. It is a split second decision offense,
and squirrely guys and young guys have never fit here.
Too much motion, too much space, and too much quick
decision making. So Steph's not actually always the easiest player
to play with. He's a great guy. You don't get ego,
(16:45):
but he is moving so much with the ball and
off the ball. You have got to pay attention. You
can't sit in the corner and just watch. You are
part of this motion. Jimmy Butler gets it. Draymond gets it.
They have not lost a game when they go with
their smaller starting lineup, kaminga buddy Healed off the bench,
(17:06):
their size Looney post off the bench. Here is Steve
Kerr on last night Steph Curry twelve three pointers. Fifty
two points overshadowed on a night by jokicch But here's
Steve Kerr.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
The guy's thirty seven years old. It's incredible. Fifty two
points with people draped all over him all game long.
I've been watching this for eleven years, and actually longer before.
Speaker 6 (17:33):
I became coach. I was enjoying watching and play.
Speaker 5 (17:35):
But to coach him you get a real sense of
just the magnitude of his.
Speaker 6 (17:43):
Talent.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
His characters, work, ethic guys amazing to watch and we're
lucky to have him.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Yeah, it's really a spectacle. And when Mark Jackson was
a coach, it was a good team. But there is
something about Kerr's offense and the most and the intuitive
nature of it, like it takes special player like Draymond
Green had a lot of college games under a great coach,
Tom Izzo, so he was able to work with this
(18:11):
very quickly. Draymond is thinking the game, not playing it.
Katie the same way. It's taken Moody years to get there.
But you can't just throw guys into Steph Curry and
Itowah's works. There have been guys that have not worked
when they get away from what there really are. It's
the fastest, most motion, most movement offense in the league,
(18:32):
and it takes special guys to play with it. And
Jimmy Butler has got a Draymond feel. He just gets
he gets Steph good looks. He feels the game and
thinks the game, not just plays it. And last night
it's another great example of that. Today it would be
Lakers Warriors first round. NBA is probably thinking, we don't
want that. We don't want to get rid.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Of one of these teams.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
I'm not sure if that's good. It'd be the highest
rated first round playoff series in the last decade. I'm
not sure it's great for the league to have those
guys going at it. It'd be something to watch, though.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
One more heard. The Herd streams twenty four hours a day,
seven days a week within the iHeartRadio app. Search Herd
to listen live or on demand whenever you like.
Speaker 9 (19:12):
Hey, Steve Covino and I'm Rich David, and together we're
Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio. You could catch
us weekdays from five to seven pm Eastern two to
four Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and of course the
iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Why should you listen to Covino and Rich.
Speaker 9 (19:26):
We talk about everything life, sports, relationships, what's going on
in the world. We have a lot of fun talking
about the stories behind the stories in the world of
sports and pop culture, stories that well other shows don't
seem to have the time to discuss. And the fact
that we've been friends for the last twenty years and
still work together.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
I mean that says something, right, So.
Speaker 9 (19:44):
Check us out. We like to get you involved too.
Take your phone calls, chop it up. As they say,
I'd say the most interactive show on Fox Sports Radio,
maybe the.
Speaker 6 (19:52):
Most interactive show on planetar.
Speaker 9 (19:54):
Be sure to check out Covino and Rich live on
Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app from five to
seven pm Eastern t for Pacific, and if you miss
any of the live show, just search Kobe non Rich
wherever you get your podcasts, and of course on social media.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
That's Cavino and Rich. Here we go.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
It's hour two. It is a Wednesday. We're live in
Los Angeles. It's the Herd. Todd mcshae an old friend,
gonna be joining us in four or five minutes. Also
Chris Barssard next hour. So the NFL Draft is obviously,
and we'll talk on that with McShay here in five minutes.
It's coming up in three weeks. So Steph Curry overshadowed
(20:32):
by Jokic having sixty one. Steph Curry had fifty two
last night, hit a dozen three pointers, Warriors beat the
fading Grizzlies.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
So I always think about this.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
We've talked about this, how certain players in the NBA
are great, Kevin Durant, Carmelo, Anthony, James Harden, They're not influential.
Shack was great, he wasn't that influential, Magic Bird Lebron,
Steph Curry are influential. It's like Jeff Bezos is rich
(21:02):
and influential. He ended Mals, he changed retail in America.
That's influential. Elon Musk even before doge. Uh, you know,
politics aside automotive industry, space industry like that.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
That.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Larry Ellison is really rich one hundred and ninety two billion,
He owns half a Hawaii. He doesn't he doesn't feel
half as influential as like Steve Jobs did, like like
brought art into tech. Larry Ellison's just a really smart guy.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
That and super rich.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
And that's kind of the difference is Steph Curry. You know,
Tim Duncan and Wilt great influential, just great. Steph's just different.
I mean, change basketball overseas au basketball. And we always
knew he would be a guy that would age well.
Smart athletes age well. They take care of their body.
(21:57):
You know, guys that are still go to nightclubs or
don't eat right, or they're not intentional you know with
their training, they age very quickly. I always said Cam
Newton and Big Ben aged very quickly. Brady really intentional
with his diet, pilates training, aged incredibly well. And Steph
falls into that class. But it's just it's it's really
(22:19):
remarkable what he's done. He is and he's not athletically
a force of nature Shack was. But the second best
part of Steph is he just works well with everybody.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Right. You don't get a lot of ego.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
And I've said international soccer, in the NBA, you know, listen,
it's about the star as much as the team. See,
you got to battle some of the ego stuff. I mean,
Lebron's got an ego, but Lebron plays well with others.
D Wade has an ego. He played well with others.
Carmelo not so much. He kind of wanted to be
the guy. He was threatened by Jeremy Lynn at one point.
(22:55):
So I think Steph's aging well. And Steve Kerrz talking
about it.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
I can't believe he's still still doing this at this age.
But he's put the work in and they.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
Still got it. How much do you think that week
off he just had maybe boosted.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
It a little bit.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
I think it helped, and I think two rounds of
golf on this road trip helped.
Speaker 6 (23:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
I'm only half joking, you know, but yeah, the week
off was helpful for him. I think he looks recharged, rejuvenated.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
How about this Lakers Warriors if the playoffs started today,
would meet. Now, that's not what you want. You want
those two advance. You want the story to be expanded.
You'd love the Lakers and Warriors to win and then
meet in the second or the third round. But that's
where it is today. I will tell you I was
thinking about this Lakers Warriors. The Warriors have a really
(23:46):
deep bench, and the bench gives you Looney and Post
give you size, Buddy, Heal gives you shooting, kaminga gives
you athleticism. The Warriors have one of the better benches,
like the Boston Celtics in the NBA in the playoffs, though,
are you gonna trust Gi Santos? Are you gonna play
them a lot? I'm not sure if you are. Are
you gonna play post a lot? You know the guy
(24:09):
from the Netherlands, Are you gonna play him a lot
in the postseason?
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Maybe not.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
You'll play looneymore so. But it's getting real interesting now.
The thunder in the Rockets, especially the Thunder have pulled
away from everybody. Man, it is really really how good
I mean, the timber Wolves are seven. That is a
good team. That is that is an all time great
(24:34):
number seven seed. Do we have the Eastern Conference standings
for us? Because think about this, Like you could get
Kawhi Leonard, you can get depth Zubots the center, Like
the Clippers are a good team.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
They're not a great team, and you never know.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Who's gonna actually play, but it's a good team. Timberwolves
as a seven seed compared to a seven seed in
the East like that. And I've said this, I don't
know exactly why this is, but the Western Conference, like
I understand why the SEC is better in college football.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
The footprint.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
There's all these unbelievable athletes, these totally addicted high school
football programs. Like I get wife. High school football is
good in Dallas or Georgia or Florida, like I get it.
The Western Conference has been so much deeper and better
than the Eastern Conference. Now, I do think the Celtics
and the Caves are the two best teams. But the
Orlando Magic are three games under five hundred. They're a
(25:30):
seven seed in the East. And the Tea Wolves that
just beat the Nuggets the great Staff, they're a seventh
seed in the West, so the gap is significant. Well,
a buddy NFL draft college analyst now he's at the Ringer.
Good for him, Todd McShay, haven't talked in a while,
joining us live in the turn Todd, how are you
great to have yond congrats on your success and congrats on.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Going to the Ringer. Man.
Speaker 6 (25:55):
Thanks man, it's good to talk to you. It's been
a minute. You were always supportive of me, that are
during our last adventure if you will, and venture certainly
at an ESPN and it's great to catch up with you.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
So it's all I keep hearing from my people. In
the league is this is not a great draft, And
I'm like, Okay, there's got to be a couple areas
that you like it. So if I said to you,
give me two position groups todd that you'll go to
the well on and you'll say, Okay, it's a good
year for what in this draft?
Speaker 6 (26:27):
Running backs and defensive line calling. I mean, I was
looking at it the other day. I went back thirty
years and then I kind of got I kind of
got bored in the last thirty years. I think it
was twenty six defensive lineman. That was the highest number
we've seen and talking interior defensive lineman and edge. And
this year I've got thirty five players along the interior
(26:50):
and at edge that could get drafted in the first
three rounds. So even if I'm off by like eight,
if my evaluation's too high on eight of these guys,
it still will be a record number of interior defensive
linemen and edge defenders that come off the board. And
then at running back, this is this is the best
group I've ever evaluated. I've been doing it twenty five years,
(27:10):
and it starts with astroon gent right, who's going to
be a worst case he goes ten to Chicago, we
could see him go six to the Raiders. I mean,
he's if you when I'm talking to guys in the league,
it's like, yeah, he's a running back, but I've got
a grade on him. That's like just to tick below
the top two guys that everyone's talking about in Abdul Carter,
(27:32):
the edge rusher from pet State, and Travis Hunter, the
generational talent both sides of the ball from Colorado. And
then beyond just genty, you've got Omari and Hampton, who's
like two twenty plus, light on his feet, powerful, best
mistackles force of any running back after the catch is
a receiver. So he's got that combinations. Yeah, Oh, he's unbelievable.
(27:53):
I've got eighteen guys Colin and at the running back
position the first four rounds with grades the three year
average just ten. We're talking about almost twice as much
talent in the first full Yeah, it's crazy. And you
go down the list of these guys and it's beyond
Ginty and Hampton, it's Traveon Henderson and Quinchan Judkins from
Ohio State, who are just first of all, nasty blockers,
(28:16):
both explosive, Judkins, more powerful, Henderson faster and more dangerous
in the in the passing game. Then you've got Caleb
Johnson from from Iowa who is great in that zone
blocking scheme. Cam Scattabo who who was like he was
awesome when you watched him on TV, and then putting
on the tape, I actually even liked him more. And
(28:37):
I know he's gonna eat runs in the four sixes
and all of that, but he's a phenomenal back. And
then even beyond that, you've got r. J. Harvey from UCF,
DJ Giddons from Kansas State, lesser known guys who are
gonna come off the board in the first few rounds.
I just I love this class of running backs. And
you've seen it Colin Wright, like with cover two defenses
(28:59):
and every one in the league spreading things out. Everything's cyclical, right,
you spread these these defenses out. The passing game heavy
in the last decade of the NFL. Now teams are
trying to figure out art how do we counter that?
And it's not We've seen a resurgence at running back
and yes, this talent is outstanding and that a lot
of these guys would go regardless, irregardless of the year.
(29:20):
But with the NFL and defenses playing that cover two
making you kind of drive the ball down the field
trying to avoid the big plays from the Patrick Mahomes
and the Josh Allens and all these big arm quarterbacks.
You've got to have a running back now to counter it.
It's explosive and that's why you saw That's why you
saw Detroit and everyone was yelling at Brad Holmes, the
GM for the Lions a couple of years, Jamier Gibbs
(29:42):
can't draft a running back that high. You already got
a running back. Well, look at what that did to
that offense. And when the starter goes out a few weeks,
and when you've got both of them healthy, it just
elevated things. I think that's what we're seeing in the
NFL right now.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Okay, so cam Wore the playmaker got a little Kleb Williams.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
I see it.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
I get it better arm than Shador. If I said
to you, and you're hearing stories about this Chadure Sanders
Jackson Dart. Are there people you believe that grade Jackson
Dart ahead of Shador Sanders.
Speaker 6 (30:15):
I know of one team that does. I can tell
you that now. There's there's thirty one other teams, and
that team may not draft either of these these quarterbacks.
But I can tell you that at least one team
in the league has a slightly higher grade on Jackson
Dart than they do on Shadoor Sanders, and so to me,
I have identical grades on them. I watch Jackson Dart
(30:36):
and listen. I like Shadoor Sanders a lot. Doesn't have
a huge arm, does not have mobility. I think that's
the biggest mistake in the evaluation, at least early in
the process. Everyone well, he's coach primes Son, he's fast.
He's not fast at all. I bet you he'd run
like a I don't know, four to eight in the
forty if he ever ran one, and he's never going to. Uh.
(30:57):
But what I do love about him is I think
he's the fastest processor of all these quarterbacks in the
passing game. Now, his instincts in terms of the pocket
and kind of extending and drifting and always looking for
the home run and not taking the short change, those
sorts of things he'll manage through. And if people don't
like him, what they say is he has some of
the bad habits that Caleb Williams had the cause of
(31:19):
problems as a rookie. But he doesn't have the armor
and he is a fraction of the athleticism. But the
people who love him love the fact that he's the
best pure passer in terms of touch, timing, layering the football,
and he's the fastest processor in this class. Now you
go to Jackson Dart, bigger arm, bigger kid, more mobile.
(31:41):
I think accuracy is good, but it's not quite at
the level of Shador. Yeah, but the thing that made
me fall in love with him. And listen, the detractors
will say, well, Lane Kiffen that offense, they run that
same sale route concept and they'll run it three four
times a game, and they do things over and over again,
predetermined reads, And yeah, that's true. It doesn't mean he
can't do it. It's a matter of getting with him
(32:03):
and figuring out how he learns. Can can he go
through NFL reads and all those things. But when I
fell in love with Jackson Dart, there's when you have
the tape access that we have, like the PFF Ultimate
combined with the Catapult, this whole system, you can go
in and do cutups, go in and watch his cutups,
on his intermediate throws ten to twenty five yards and
(32:26):
watch his accuracy compared to a lot of other guys
in this class. And then the thing that really jumped
out to me. I watched over twelve hundred snaps in
like a five day span of these quarterbacks versus pressure.
His was so significantly better, and I saw a lot
of like, I know, he's not the size and he
doesn't have the arm, but a lot of the same
things that makes Josh Allen special in terms of avoiding,
(32:48):
quickly eluding, but calm, this presence about him as he's
rolling out and seeing the field. He was so much
better in those versus pressure moments to throw that one
hundred and sixty one clip real that I went through
than all of these other quarterbacks were. That to me
spoke volumes because that in the NFL, you've got you
have got to make intermediate throws and you've got to
(33:11):
be able to work under pressure. And he did both
of those at all miss at a very high level.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Okay, Travis Hunter, first of all, I think he's gonna
be good at whatever he does. But if I was
a coach, I'd be like, I'd rather have twelve targets
than chasing the other team's best receiver around, I can
get a corner in the fifth round. There is no
more lockdown corner as good as Patrick's.
Speaker 4 (33:32):
Or tan is.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
There's so much motion, so many sets. The great offensive
coach is making it virtually impossible to get your hands
on anybody. If I'm New England and I can get
twelve targets for this kid, fly sweeps bubble screens, I
don't know. To me, I think he's an offensive player
in the NFL if we want to put him in
a nickel because we love his athletic ability, but don't
(33:55):
just see him as an offensive guy in an offensive league.
Speaker 6 (33:59):
You know, it's funny, like there's there's two trains of
thought thought here. The first is cornerback. It's hard to
play wide receiver full time. And then kind of moonlight
or minor at the cornerback position, right right. And so
so coaches get involved in this process and they're like, yeah,
I understand it, but we can put in installs every
(34:19):
week and have like a twenty play package for for
Travis on the offensive side, and so from a coaching standpoint,
that makes more sense. Let's keep him in the cornerback room.
He can do some things and work with wide receivers
and work with the quarterback on the field, and we
can meet separately with those. But let's make him a
corner and then do the install and some packages for
(34:40):
him on offense. Okay, but the talent and what you're saying,
those two factors, I think he's actually a better wide receiver.
I think he's at his best with the ball in
his hand. And the thing that goes like we all
get so caught up in what we're showing the highlights right,
how quick he is, how sudden he is. He's a
dynamic at I'm telling you, Colin, he's up there in
(35:02):
like the top five of wide receivers in terms of
ball skills in like the past decade that I've evaluated.
It goes so and so, while that's great at corner,
how many interceptions is he really going to have? So
the average guy would get three, maybe he gets five
in a year. But if I can have that weapon,
who's that reliable and refine him a little bit of
as a route runner, and I already think he's a
(35:24):
little bit more refined as a receiver and than a corner.
I tend to agree if he falls to New England
at four. You're telling me that they're looking at that
and say, well, sorry, sorry, Drake May. We're gonna play
him at corner, but we'll give you like twenty snaps
no chance. Man. It will come down to the team
that drafts him in what they need from him, and
(35:45):
then the kind of the load management NBA stuff with
him and trying to keep him healthy. But ultimately, I
want to get the ball in this guy's hands, and
I think you know, we all know that offense is
the way to do that.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Todd mcshage now at the Ringer.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
One last question on this because when I was a kid,
I mean I can remember the top two or three
tight ends Dave Casper for the Raiders.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
There were so few of them.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Kellen Winslow, Well, I always had this theory is that
as people got bigger, as athletes got bigger, and we've
just got more six foot five, two hundred and forty
pound men playing sports.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
And they've got good hands because they played on their.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
High school basketball team, and so you know, humans are
getting a little bigger. But what's interesting about the tight
end is we just have so many great six five,
two hundred and thirty five pound high school athletes all
over the country, and it's like, well, let's put them
at tight end. Some can block, some can't. But I
look at the tight end position now and I never
(36:47):
thought tight end was a first round position. Brock Powers
total outlier, best college tight end I've ever seen. Kyle
Pitts not as good as I thought I But I
do look at Tyler Warren at Penn State and I
was I watched that USC and I'm sitting there and
I'm like, dude, if I had to do I could
could he throw the ball? Could I put him in
(37:07):
the backfield? What do you make of him as a prospect?
Because I keep hearing it's a weak draft, and I'm like,
if you told me one guy went in this draft
and we look five years later and went fad, We
just didn't get how good this guy was.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
He is different.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
What do you make of him historically as comp and
the Penn State tight end?
Speaker 6 (37:28):
He is different. I mean he's he's six five and
two thirds and he's two hundred and fifty six pounds
and when you see him like break tackles and rumbling
after the catch, You're like, yeah, he's every bit of that.
Then you see him as a as a route runner,
as an athlete. I mean he snapped the ball and
then in that game and went and caught a touchdown
passing the USC so like he could just kind of
(37:51):
he's kind of different that you can and people are like, well,
he's not a great blocker, Like yeah, no kidding, like
he was doing everything else and yeah, he's got to
improve in that area. I think he's so good after
the catch. I think he knows how to get open,
even though he doesn't separate, like Colston Lovelin. If you
want a wide receiver at tight end, that's your guy. Yeah,
he doesn't block like he's terrible at blocking. Let's just
(38:14):
call it what it is. Colston Lovelin's a wide and
he's he's a little bit more like brock Bauers just
to tick behind him. In terms of talent, Warren is
different man. Like you're watching the highlights here, he reminds
me more of Gronk. If Loveland is is Bowers or
Kelsey in that mode, this guy's Gronk in that he's
he's going to become a serviceable blocker. But what he
(38:36):
does so well is he's gonna find a way to
get open versus zone boxing guys out catch the ball,
and then after the catch, he creates so many yards
with his combination of his athleticism and then the fact
that he's just barreling through guys. So and then also
there's this guy named Elijah Arroyo who's six', five two
(38:56):
hundred and fifty one pounds From, miami who looks like
he's about two thirty the way he carries his. Weight
he had one year of great production At miami this past,
year had some, injuries but if he stays, healthy he's
got a chance to be a. Star and Then Jason taylor's,
Son Mason taylor wasn't even utilized all that well AT.
LSU a lot of underneath didn't like really stretch the
scenem and do those sorts of. Things he's he's the
(39:19):
same guy six four and a half two hundred and
fifty one pounds as a royo and has an unbelievable
skill set across the. Board those four tight ends have
a chance to make a significant mark early in their
careers and throughout their, careers AND i think all four
of them are going to be off the off the,
board probably in the top forty to forty five.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
Picks, todd you look, great you sound. Great happy for.
You you landed in a great. Spot say hi To
bill and The. Fellas what a, crush my, man
Thanks for listening to the Best of the Herd podcast.
Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox
Sports Radio in noon to three Eastern nine am to
noon Pacific. Find your local station for The Herd at
Fox Sports Radio dot com, or stream us live every
day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio
or FSR.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
This is the Best of the Herd with Colin Cowver
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Oh, there's a Wednesday, and it's a busy one live
in Los Angeles. It's the Herd wherever you may be
and however you may be listening. Thanks for making that's
part of your day. So you know they talk about you,
and you'll see lists sometimes jamac about the best jobs
in America, the worst jobs in America if you're looking
(00:48):
for careers. The worst job in America, at least for
a night. The worst job in America for night was
Julius Randall guarding Nicoloch last night, who played fifty three
minutes sixty one points another triple double after the game
in Minnesota one. But after the game, Julius Randall said,
(01:11):
my body's in shock. I feel absolutely awful. He's shooting
turnaround jumpers. Is Jokich off the wrong foot. I don't
know what I'm watching out there. Listen, all great big
men in my life have had one or two great
defining characteristics. Kareem the skyhook, Russell rebounding in defense a team,
(01:34):
the footwork, shack, the power. And then there's Jokich, who
is the modern definition of basketball. He does about six
things well. Shoot, pass, screens, postplay, handles the ball outlet
passing maybe the best in the league. He's currently second
in the NBA in steals. It is very lebron redefining
(01:56):
what a basketball player is. Of versatility we have never
seen and you know a lot of NBA superstars, and
this is probably why the sport is culturally important and
artistically important. A lot of the superstars fly past you
or jump over you. Mj that's not Jokic. He sort
(02:17):
of rolls past you and he leans into you. He's
not jumping over anybody. Draymond Green, one of the great
defenders in NBA history, acknowledges, yeah, I can stop Jannis.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
I can't stop Joker. I'm white flag. I give up.
I give up.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
And a lot of NBA stars are are like action films,
mesmerizing to watch Jokic is the best book, layered chapters,
each elevating the last chapter, character development, a lot of depth.
There's a little Bill Walton here, and absolutely some r
(02:58):
Vitas Sabonis. It feels like the the two great Portland
centers of all time. The passing, the intelligence, the ability
to score. But this book is better than the movie.
And most aren't read this book. It is all time stuff.
Like I know, it's not always you know, wow, but
you know when you talk to opposing players, Julius Randall's
(03:21):
six to eight in a load, and he sounds like
last night he dealt with a Serbian bear. My body
is awful. I give up. I don't even know what
I'm doing here. Three times more triple doubles than anybody
in the league, in fact, you know, as great as
Magic Johnson or Lebron are Is Yokich is the only
(03:42):
basketball player in my entire life, and I've been watching
the NBA since the seventies that if you said, yeah,
guy in the NBA last night had thirty six, thirteen
and eleven. And it's not a headline, it's just what
he does. The greatest book in NBA history, depth and
chapters and layers. It keeps getting better. What's the conclusion, Well,
(04:06):
he's got three MVPs and a trophy and any All
Star appears. In fact, one of my favorite parts of
Jokic he doesn't like the NBA All Star Game. He
doesn't fit. The part of him is anti NBA.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
He really is.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
He's like the book that doesn't even want to be
made into a movie. No, I'm good just being a book.
Here's his coach and aunt.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
After NICOLEA came up to me after the third quarter,
I said, Coach, I'm good. You know, leave me in there.
You know, I don't want to come out. Let me
just keep playing. He was in a good rhythm obviously.
Sixty one points, tenn assists, ten rebounds, two steals. The
guy's superman. Oh my god, he might be the best
basketball player I've ever seen, like CLSA, besides like, besides myself,
(04:54):
to myself, Bro, he's incredible.
Speaker 5 (04:57):
Bro.
Speaker 6 (04:58):
The MVP race is tough. No, I don't know where. Yeah,
that's crazy.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Yeah, it is for everybody except the Joker.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
So I saw Jed York owns the San Francisco forty
nine Ers, a fairly low profile outside of the Bay Area.
We know Robert Kraft, or we know Jerry Jones. He's
a little bit more under the radar, like a Stan cronkey.
You know him in the town he's in, but you
know he's not out in the press a lot. But
he said yesterday, yeah, Brock, pretty deal is going to
(05:32):
get done. Here is Jed York on this contract that
is looming.
Speaker 7 (05:37):
We want to make sure that Brock is a long
term partner. We want to make sure that he's a
part of our team for a long time. And it's
a decision. I don't know exactly when we made it,
but it was somewhere in the middle of the season,
knowing that you can start negotiating at the end of
the third year, and it's like, all right, he's our guy,
and if he's our guy, you have to know that
and make those decisions.
Speaker 6 (05:55):
And that's where we are right now.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
And he's Kyle's guy, and that's the key.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
His passer rating was thirteenth, as completion percentage was seventeenth.
Wins he was eighteenth. This is all about Kyle Shanahan.
The franchise is Kyle's Kyle and Sean McVay, they're the franchise.
It doesn't always work that way. In Philadelphia, Howie Roseman
is the soul in the centerpiece. He's the leading voice.
(06:22):
In Kansas City or Green Bay, it shared among many people.
But if Kyle Shanahan views brock Purty as a top
ten quarterback, then he is the deal will get done.
I mean, Matt Stafford is great, one of the great
arm talents of my life in the NFL, but it's
the voice of Sean McVay that moved into Stafford off
(06:46):
of golf and will move eventually off of Stafford in
New England. For years, what was the term in Belichick
we trust? It wasn't in Brady. It was in Belichick.
Bill was the singular decision making voice in big spots.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Now you can get into trouble when there's Seattle.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Russell Wilson and Pete Carroll both felt like they deserved
a little more of the credit for being the voice
that led to a divorce. I think in Green Bay
Mike McCarthy and Aaron Rodgers both felt a little disrespected,
wanted a little more control that led to a divorce.
(07:28):
But in San Francisco, there are two things about brock
perty that Kyle Shanahan loves number one. Cognitively, he can
really read a defense quickly. Sam Darnold said he'd never
seen a quarterback like that. He can just see the
field very quick processor. And the second thing is and
(07:50):
for a smaller quarterback, this is rare.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
He's got it. He'll let her rip. He will absolutely
let her rip.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
He was fourth in Big Time twenty plus yard passing
plays and that was without Brandon Ayuk.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
He'll let it go.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
He sees the play quickly, he processes uber quickly and
then lets her rip. Garoppolo wouldn't do that. Trey Lance
wouldn't do that. They'd hold the ball if they didn't
have that arm. Confidence pretty does. So you may have
fifty five guys on the roster and fourteen trainers and
twenty seven scouts, and the executive front office is thirty
(08:26):
five people. But most organizations have a singular voice that
makes the biggest decisions. And in San Francisco, that's Kyle Shanahan. Now,
he didn't never ring. He's lost big leads in big games.
And there are some skeptics, and I do think sometimes
Kyle Shanahan is too tied to the play sheet. Mcveay
is willing to blow it up second quarter, third quarter
(08:48):
and start over. Shanahan not as much, but Perty's going
to get the bag because Kyle Shanahan believes he's a
top ten quarterback, and this whole sport is belief. Even yourself,
do you believe in the quarterback and in San Francisco, yes,
and yes, that's your answer, and that's why he'll get
the bag.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
J Mac, I know it.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
It is funny when I was I was thinking of
Jokics this morning in that you know, Kareem was another
guy where in the All Star Game used to be
much different.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
They played defense and stuff.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
But most of the great players in league history are
really fun in the All Star Game. They really did
understand it. Even if they're not superstar players play Griffin,
they're superstar attractions. Joker is the one guy in this
league that is fairly worthless in the All Star Game,
and he's the best player in the league, and he
doesn't even look like he fits in it. Like he's like, guys,
(09:43):
this isn't this isn't really my game. And I think
I respect him more for that. Like he is, you know,
they use the term unicorn. He's the unicorn. He doesn't
play like the NBA. He rolls into you and passed you.
He doesn't fly up or over you. He doesn't work
with the All Star festivities. But we are looking at
(10:04):
I think, not only the best player in the game,
but a combination of the best two or three. Bill
Walton years, the best of Sabonis when he was overseas,
and I think he's entered a territory of a top
three or four player center in the history of the sport.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Yeah, I'm with you.
Speaker 8 (10:21):
You know, you look at Shaq, who was utterly dominant
Akima lajah one.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
I think you'll get just right there in the discussion
with them.
Speaker 8 (10:27):
I know the Shaq fans won't want to hear that,
because nobody does a dominant.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
He does far more better than Shak. Shaq couldn't hit
free throws. There was Shack attack, there was foul him late.
People wanted Shack to shoot late.
Speaker 8 (10:38):
Yeah, Yoki very limited right outside the lane, right, Jollkic
is killing you from three defensively. I know he doesn't
look like an Adonnas. Shack was just a hulking, incredible
hull type figure. But Jokich right now, I mean, I
don't know how there's just a discussion with him in
SGA for MVP, like SGA, just on the team with
the best record, they might win seventy games. Yeah, but
(10:59):
to Mekis has to be the end.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Well, he's he's been the best basketball player in the
world for four years running.
Speaker 8 (11:04):
I made a case that Luca for a while was there,
and Luca was with him, but Yokic just pulled away.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
It's funny whenever you do top ten all time NBA lists,
like at this point, he's got to be in it.
He I mean, I'm just I'm sorry, but you can't
put a keem in shack near it and not Jokic.
I'm sorry, folks, the.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Tenor top ten or fifteen? I again, do you want
another year? But he is?
Speaker 1 (11:29):
You know, I remember when Jordan was the best player
in the NBA. I can remember talking to somebody about this.
I said, the gap between Jordan and two was greater
than two to eight or two to ten.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
I think that's where we are with Jokic.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
The gap between him and the second best player could
be Tatum and SG Jannis. I mean, Draymond Green can
hold Yannis to five field goals. Draymond Green has no
ability to stop him. None our best defensive player. I
mean Dennis Rodman was a little bit like that, you know,
(12:09):
against certain players, like he could stop almost everybody, and
then you know, you get into certain matchups where there's
not a lot you could do to stop MJ or
Kobe in his prime.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
I we just have to be honest about this.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
If you're gonna put Duncan, if you're gonna put Shocked
and a team all time great players near that top
ten or twelve, it's silly not to put him in there.
Speaker 8 (12:30):
If you're having a draft of the top centers of
all time and you give me the first pick, I
would go Jokic over any of these.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
I would go Kareem second. Yeah, yeah, I would go
Jokic because of his ability now again old rules new
a part of what makes him so powerful as the
three point shot. But I think Jokic and Kareem to me,
I mean, Kareem was a dominant defensive player, a dominant
offensive player early career.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Could run the floor.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
But there's when you can do six things well, it's
like they stay in baseball a five tool player. Oh, tawny,
is Jokic the modern athlete Lebron Otani Jokic. You can't
defy him. You can't define them by position. They do
too many things.
Speaker 8 (13:08):
Well, Yokic is gonna finish top two in MVP for
the fifth straight year. Only one other guy in the
modern era has done that. His name's Larry Bird. So
Jokic is in historic territory right now, Colin.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
I don't want to see him. If I'm the Lakers
in the second round, I do not. I don't know much.
Rather face Okay, So go.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Look at Jokic against Anthony Davis. And Anthony Davis it
was I thought the last two years was the best
defensive player in the year. He may not win the award,
but he's playing great defense. I mean, he will hold
Jokic to twenty eight, nine and nine, and you're like,
what an effort that guy shut him down and they
and in those games, the Lakers never won them. I
(13:47):
think at one point, Denver one twelve in a row.
So it's the Jokers got three MVPs in the title.
A team's got one MVP, Shack one MVP. Now Shaq's
got four titles, but well.
Speaker 8 (13:59):
Shack had you know Kobe Bryant, come on, he's coat.
Jamal Murray's never been an all starts. You'll get your
second best player, like, come on, what.
Speaker 6 (14:06):
Do we do?
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
and Noone Easter nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio
FS one and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
So the Warriors beat the Memphis Grizzlies last night. The
Warriors are on fire and the Grizzlies are melting at
the end of the season. So whoever faces the Grizzlies
in the playoffs first round is getting a real break.
And last night the Warriors Big three, Steph, Draymond and
Jimmy Butler crushed ninety two points, twenty six rebounds, twenty.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Four US says.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
And the Warriors are now eighteen and two when Steph
and Jimmy Butler are both playing and they're all twelve
and oh this is important. They're undefeated when they go
with their really small lineup where Kaminga's off the bench
and it's Steph, POD's Moody Butler and Draymond. It's the
no center Warriors. And they've also got a really good
bench here. Buddy, Heal can give you a shooting. Jonathan
(14:56):
Kaminga can give you some length and athleticism, post and
Kavon Looney give you a size. Gil Santos like, that's
one of the better NBA benches. It's not just a
Jimmy Butler thing. They play nine guys, ten guys. Now
they're fifth in the West. If they beat the Lakers
tomorrow in LA, they're one game in a fourth place
and this matters. We are looking at today a Warrior
(15:17):
Laker first round playoff series. But trading for Butler gave
this team two guys Dramon and Jimmy Butler that can
get more good looks for Steph Curry. And he's hard
to play with because he's sort of freestyling. And the
offense under Steve Kerr has always sort of been the
(15:39):
adults only pool at the resort. Kids, you're not welcome here.
They tried James Wiseman could not catch up. It's like
playing with Tom Brady in New England, like young receivers.
It just didn't work. It just Tom wasn't gonna sit
around and wait for you. So this Warriors offense, it
is a lot of spacing, It has a lot of motion,
(16:00):
and it's how do you adapt and play with Steph
Curry because nobody moves off ball like Steph. So you've
got to be intuitive, a quick thinker. You've got a
lot of a lot of basketball miles. I mean KD
worked instantly, andre Igwodalo worked in instantly, Andrew Boget works,
Jimmy Butler works. These are smart veteran players with a
(16:23):
lot of basketball miles that you don't have to teach
how to play basketball. It is a split second decision offense,
and squirrely guys and young guys have never fit here.
Too much motion, too much space, and too much quick
decision making. So Steph's not actually always the easiest player
to play with. He's a great guy. You don't get ego,
(16:45):
but he is moving so much with the ball and
off the ball. You have got to pay attention. You
can't sit in the corner and just watch. You are
part of this motion. Jimmy Butler gets it. Draymond gets it.
They have not lost a game when they go with
their smaller starting lineup, kaminga buddy Healed off the bench,
(17:06):
their size Looney post off the bench. Here is Steve
Kerr on last night Steph Curry twelve three pointers. Fifty
two points overshadowed on a night by jokicch But here's
Steve Kerr.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
The guy's thirty seven years old. It's incredible. Fifty two
points with people draped all over him all game long.
I've been watching this for eleven years, and actually longer before.
Speaker 6 (17:33):
I became coach. I was enjoying watching and play.
Speaker 5 (17:35):
But to coach him you get a real sense of
just the magnitude of his.
Speaker 6 (17:43):
Talent.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
His characters, work, ethic guys amazing to watch and we're
lucky to have him.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Yeah, it's really a spectacle. And when Mark Jackson was
a coach, it was a good team. But there is
something about Kerr's offense and the most and the intuitive
nature of it, like it takes special player like Draymond
Green had a lot of college games under a great coach,
Tom Izzo, so he was able to work with this
(18:11):
very quickly. Draymond is thinking the game, not playing it.
Katie the same way. It's taken Moody years to get there.
But you can't just throw guys into Steph Curry and
Itowah's works. There have been guys that have not worked
when they get away from what there really are. It's
the fastest, most motion, most movement offense in the league,
(18:32):
and it takes special guys to play with it. And
Jimmy Butler has got a Draymond feel. He just gets
he gets Steph good looks. He feels the game and
thinks the game, not just plays it. And last night
it's another great example of that. Today it would be
Lakers Warriors first round. NBA is probably thinking, we don't
want that. We don't want to get rid.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Of one of these teams.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
I'm not sure if that's good. It'd be the highest
rated first round playoff series in the last decade. I'm
not sure it's great for the league to have those
guys going at it. It'd be something to watch, though.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
One more heard. The Herd streams twenty four hours a day,
seven days a week within the iHeartRadio app. Search Herd
to listen live or on demand whenever you like.
Speaker 9 (19:12):
Hey, Steve Covino and I'm Rich David, and together we're
Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio. You could catch
us weekdays from five to seven pm Eastern two to
four Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and of course the
iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Why should you listen to Covino and Rich.
Speaker 9 (19:26):
We talk about everything life, sports, relationships, what's going on
in the world. We have a lot of fun talking
about the stories behind the stories in the world of
sports and pop culture, stories that well other shows don't
seem to have the time to discuss. And the fact
that we've been friends for the last twenty years and
still work together.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
I mean that says something, right, So.
Speaker 9 (19:44):
Check us out. We like to get you involved too.
Take your phone calls, chop it up. As they say,
I'd say the most interactive show on Fox Sports Radio,
maybe the.
Speaker 6 (19:52):
Most interactive show on planetar.
Speaker 9 (19:54):
Be sure to check out Covino and Rich live on
Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app from five to
seven pm Eastern t for Pacific, and if you miss
any of the live show, just search Kobe non Rich
wherever you get your podcasts, and of course on social media.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
That's Cavino and Rich. Here we go.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
It's hour two. It is a Wednesday. We're live in
Los Angeles. It's the Herd. Todd mcshae an old friend,
gonna be joining us in four or five minutes. Also
Chris Barssard next hour. So the NFL Draft is obviously,
and we'll talk on that with McShay here in five minutes.
It's coming up in three weeks. So Steph Curry overshadowed
(20:32):
by Jokic having sixty one. Steph Curry had fifty two
last night, hit a dozen three pointers, Warriors beat the
fading Grizzlies.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
So I always think about this.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
We've talked about this, how certain players in the NBA
are great, Kevin Durant, Carmelo, Anthony, James Harden, They're not influential.
Shack was great, he wasn't that influential, Magic Bird Lebron,
Steph Curry are influential. It's like Jeff Bezos is rich
(21:02):
and influential. He ended Mals, he changed retail in America.
That's influential. Elon Musk even before doge. Uh, you know,
politics aside automotive industry, space industry like that.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
That.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Larry Ellison is really rich one hundred and ninety two billion,
He owns half a Hawaii. He doesn't he doesn't feel
half as influential as like Steve Jobs did, like like
brought art into tech. Larry Ellison's just a really smart guy.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
That and super rich.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
And that's kind of the difference is Steph Curry. You know,
Tim Duncan and Wilt great influential, just great. Steph's just different.
I mean, change basketball overseas au basketball. And we always
knew he would be a guy that would age well.
Smart athletes age well. They take care of their body.
(21:57):
You know, guys that are still go to nightclubs or
don't eat right, or they're not intentional you know with
their training, they age very quickly. I always said Cam
Newton and Big Ben aged very quickly. Brady really intentional
with his diet, pilates training, aged incredibly well. And Steph
falls into that class. But it's just it's it's really
(22:19):
remarkable what he's done. He is and he's not athletically
a force of nature Shack was. But the second best
part of Steph is he just works well with everybody.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Right. You don't get a lot of ego.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
And I've said international soccer, in the NBA, you know, listen,
it's about the star as much as the team. See,
you got to battle some of the ego stuff. I mean,
Lebron's got an ego, but Lebron plays well with others.
D Wade has an ego. He played well with others.
Carmelo not so much. He kind of wanted to be
the guy. He was threatened by Jeremy Lynn at one point.
(22:55):
So I think Steph's aging well. And Steve Kerrz talking
about it.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
I can't believe he's still still doing this at this age.
But he's put the work in and they.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
Still got it. How much do you think that week
off he just had maybe boosted.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
It a little bit.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
I think it helped, and I think two rounds of
golf on this road trip helped.
Speaker 6 (23:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
I'm only half joking, you know, but yeah, the week
off was helpful for him. I think he looks recharged, rejuvenated.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
How about this Lakers Warriors if the playoffs started today,
would meet. Now, that's not what you want. You want
those two advance. You want the story to be expanded.
You'd love the Lakers and Warriors to win and then
meet in the second or the third round. But that's
where it is today. I will tell you I was
thinking about this Lakers Warriors. The Warriors have a really
(23:46):
deep bench, and the bench gives you Looney and Post
give you size, Buddy, Heal gives you shooting, kaminga gives
you athleticism. The Warriors have one of the better benches,
like the Boston Celtics in the NBA in the playoffs, though,
are you gonna trust Gi Santos? Are you gonna play
them a lot? I'm not sure if you are. Are
you gonna play post a lot? You know the guy
(24:09):
from the Netherlands, Are you gonna play him a lot
in the postseason?
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Maybe not.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
You'll play looneymore so. But it's getting real interesting now.
The thunder in the Rockets, especially the Thunder have pulled
away from everybody. Man, it is really really how good
I mean, the timber Wolves are seven. That is a
good team. That is that is an all time great
(24:34):
number seven seed. Do we have the Eastern Conference standings
for us? Because think about this, Like you could get
Kawhi Leonard, you can get depth Zubots the center, Like
the Clippers are a good team.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
They're not a great team, and you never know.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Who's gonna actually play, but it's a good team. Timberwolves
as a seven seed compared to a seven seed in
the East like that. And I've said this, I don't
know exactly why this is, but the Western Conference, like
I understand why the SEC is better in college football.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
The footprint.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
There's all these unbelievable athletes, these totally addicted high school
football programs. Like I get wife. High school football is
good in Dallas or Georgia or Florida, like I get it.
The Western Conference has been so much deeper and better
than the Eastern Conference. Now, I do think the Celtics
and the Caves are the two best teams. But the
Orlando Magic are three games under five hundred. They're a
(25:30):
seven seed in the East. And the Tea Wolves that
just beat the Nuggets the great Staff, they're a seventh
seed in the West, so the gap is significant. Well,
a buddy NFL draft college analyst now he's at the Ringer.
Good for him, Todd McShay, haven't talked in a while,
joining us live in the turn Todd, how are you
great to have yond congrats on your success and congrats on.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Going to the Ringer. Man.
Speaker 6 (25:55):
Thanks man, it's good to talk to you. It's been
a minute. You were always supportive of me, that are
during our last adventure if you will, and venture certainly
at an ESPN and it's great to catch up with you.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
So it's all I keep hearing from my people. In
the league is this is not a great draft, And
I'm like, Okay, there's got to be a couple areas
that you like it. So if I said to you,
give me two position groups todd that you'll go to
the well on and you'll say, Okay, it's a good
year for what in this draft?
Speaker 6 (26:27):
Running backs and defensive line calling. I mean, I was
looking at it the other day. I went back thirty
years and then I kind of got I kind of
got bored in the last thirty years. I think it
was twenty six defensive lineman. That was the highest number
we've seen and talking interior defensive lineman and edge. And
this year I've got thirty five players along the interior
(26:50):
and at edge that could get drafted in the first
three rounds. So even if I'm off by like eight,
if my evaluation's too high on eight of these guys,
it still will be a record number of interior defensive
linemen and edge defenders that come off the board. And
then at running back, this is this is the best
group I've ever evaluated. I've been doing it twenty five years,
(27:10):
and it starts with astroon gent right, who's going to
be a worst case he goes ten to Chicago, we
could see him go six to the Raiders. I mean,
he's if you when I'm talking to guys in the league,
it's like, yeah, he's a running back, but I've got
a grade on him. That's like just to tick below
the top two guys that everyone's talking about in Abdul Carter,
(27:32):
the edge rusher from pet State, and Travis Hunter, the
generational talent both sides of the ball from Colorado. And
then beyond just genty, you've got Omari and Hampton, who's
like two twenty plus, light on his feet, powerful, best
mistackles force of any running back after the catch is
a receiver. So he's got that combinations. Yeah, Oh, he's unbelievable.
(27:53):
I've got eighteen guys Colin and at the running back
position the first four rounds with grades the three year
average just ten. We're talking about almost twice as much
talent in the first full Yeah, it's crazy. And you
go down the list of these guys and it's beyond
Ginty and Hampton, it's Traveon Henderson and Quinchan Judkins from
Ohio State, who are just first of all, nasty blockers,
(28:16):
both explosive, Judkins, more powerful, Henderson faster and more dangerous
in the in the passing game. Then you've got Caleb
Johnson from from Iowa who is great in that zone
blocking scheme. Cam Scattabo who who was like he was
awesome when you watched him on TV, and then putting
on the tape, I actually even liked him more. And
(28:37):
I know he's gonna eat runs in the four sixes
and all of that, but he's a phenomenal back. And
then even beyond that, you've got r. J. Harvey from UCF,
DJ Giddons from Kansas State, lesser known guys who are
gonna come off the board in the first few rounds.
I just I love this class of running backs. And
you've seen it Colin Wright, like with cover two defenses
(28:59):
and every one in the league spreading things out. Everything's cyclical, right,
you spread these these defenses out. The passing game heavy
in the last decade of the NFL. Now teams are
trying to figure out art how do we counter that?
And it's not We've seen a resurgence at running back
and yes, this talent is outstanding and that a lot
of these guys would go regardless, irregardless of the year.
(29:20):
But with the NFL and defenses playing that cover two
making you kind of drive the ball down the field
trying to avoid the big plays from the Patrick Mahomes
and the Josh Allens and all these big arm quarterbacks.
You've got to have a running back now to counter it.
It's explosive and that's why you saw That's why you
saw Detroit and everyone was yelling at Brad Holmes, the
GM for the Lions a couple of years, Jamier Gibbs
(29:42):
can't draft a running back that high. You already got
a running back. Well, look at what that did to
that offense. And when the starter goes out a few weeks,
and when you've got both of them healthy, it just
elevated things. I think that's what we're seeing in the
NFL right now.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Okay, so cam Wore the playmaker got a little Kleb Williams.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
I see it.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
I get it better arm than Shador. If I said
to you, and you're hearing stories about this Chadure Sanders
Jackson Dart. Are there people you believe that grade Jackson
Dart ahead of Shador Sanders.
Speaker 6 (30:15):
I know of one team that does. I can tell
you that now. There's there's thirty one other teams, and
that team may not draft either of these these quarterbacks.
But I can tell you that at least one team
in the league has a slightly higher grade on Jackson
Dart than they do on Shadoor Sanders, and so to me,
I have identical grades on them. I watch Jackson Dart
(30:36):
and listen. I like Shadoor Sanders a lot. Doesn't have
a huge arm, does not have mobility. I think that's
the biggest mistake in the evaluation, at least early in
the process. Everyone well, he's coach primes Son, he's fast.
He's not fast at all. I bet you he'd run
like a I don't know, four to eight in the
forty if he ever ran one, and he's never going to. Uh.
(30:57):
But what I do love about him is I think
he's the fastest processor of all these quarterbacks in the
passing game. Now, his instincts in terms of the pocket
and kind of extending and drifting and always looking for
the home run and not taking the short change, those
sorts of things he'll manage through. And if people don't
like him, what they say is he has some of
the bad habits that Caleb Williams had the cause of
(31:19):
problems as a rookie. But he doesn't have the armor
and he is a fraction of the athleticism. But the
people who love him love the fact that he's the
best pure passer in terms of touch, timing, layering the football,
and he's the fastest processor in this class. Now you
go to Jackson Dart, bigger arm, bigger kid, more mobile.
(31:41):
I think accuracy is good, but it's not quite at
the level of Shador. Yeah, but the thing that made
me fall in love with him. And listen, the detractors
will say, well, Lane Kiffen that offense, they run that
same sale route concept and they'll run it three four
times a game, and they do things over and over again,
predetermined reads, And yeah, that's true. It doesn't mean he
can't do it. It's a matter of getting with him
(32:03):
and figuring out how he learns. Can can he go
through NFL reads and all those things. But when I
fell in love with Jackson Dart, there's when you have
the tape access that we have, like the PFF Ultimate
combined with the Catapult, this whole system, you can go
in and do cutups, go in and watch his cutups,
on his intermediate throws ten to twenty five yards and
(32:26):
watch his accuracy compared to a lot of other guys
in this class. And then the thing that really jumped
out to me. I watched over twelve hundred snaps in
like a five day span of these quarterbacks versus pressure.
His was so significantly better, and I saw a lot
of like, I know, he's not the size and he
doesn't have the arm, but a lot of the same
things that makes Josh Allen special in terms of avoiding,
(32:48):
quickly eluding, but calm, this presence about him as he's
rolling out and seeing the field. He was so much
better in those versus pressure moments to throw that one
hundred and sixty one clip real that I went through
than all of these other quarterbacks were. That to me
spoke volumes because that in the NFL, you've got you
have got to make intermediate throws and you've got to
(33:11):
be able to work under pressure. And he did both
of those at all miss at a very high level.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Okay, Travis Hunter, first of all, I think he's gonna
be good at whatever he does. But if I was
a coach, I'd be like, I'd rather have twelve targets
than chasing the other team's best receiver around, I can
get a corner in the fifth round. There is no
more lockdown corner as good as Patrick's.
Speaker 4 (33:32):
Or tan is.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
There's so much motion, so many sets. The great offensive
coach is making it virtually impossible to get your hands
on anybody. If I'm New England and I can get
twelve targets for this kid, fly sweeps bubble screens, I
don't know. To me, I think he's an offensive player
in the NFL if we want to put him in
a nickel because we love his athletic ability, but don't
(33:55):
just see him as an offensive guy in an offensive league.
Speaker 6 (33:59):
You know, it's funny, like there's there's two trains of
thought thought here. The first is cornerback. It's hard to
play wide receiver full time. And then kind of moonlight
or minor at the cornerback position, right right. And so
so coaches get involved in this process and they're like, yeah,
I understand it, but we can put in installs every
(34:19):
week and have like a twenty play package for for
Travis on the offensive side, and so from a coaching standpoint,
that makes more sense. Let's keep him in the cornerback room.
He can do some things and work with wide receivers
and work with the quarterback on the field, and we
can meet separately with those. But let's make him a
corner and then do the install and some packages for
(34:40):
him on offense. Okay, but the talent and what you're saying,
those two factors, I think he's actually a better wide receiver.
I think he's at his best with the ball in
his hand. And the thing that goes like we all
get so caught up in what we're showing the highlights right,
how quick he is, how sudden he is. He's a
dynamic at I'm telling you, Colin, he's up there in
(35:02):
like the top five of wide receivers in terms of
ball skills in like the past decade that I've evaluated.
It goes so and so, while that's great at corner,
how many interceptions is he really going to have? So
the average guy would get three, maybe he gets five
in a year. But if I can have that weapon,
who's that reliable and refine him a little bit of
as a route runner, and I already think he's a
(35:24):
little bit more refined as a receiver and than a corner.
I tend to agree if he falls to New England
at four. You're telling me that they're looking at that
and say, well, sorry, sorry, Drake May. We're gonna play
him at corner, but we'll give you like twenty snaps
no chance. Man. It will come down to the team
that drafts him in what they need from him, and
(35:45):
then the kind of the load management NBA stuff with
him and trying to keep him healthy. But ultimately, I
want to get the ball in this guy's hands, and
I think you know, we all know that offense is
the way to do that.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Todd mcshage now at the Ringer.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
One last question on this because when I was a kid,
I mean I can remember the top two or three
tight ends Dave Casper for the Raiders.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
There were so few of them.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Kellen Winslow, Well, I always had this theory is that
as people got bigger, as athletes got bigger, and we've
just got more six foot five, two hundred and forty
pound men playing sports.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
And they've got good hands because they played on their.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
High school basketball team, and so you know, humans are
getting a little bigger. But what's interesting about the tight
end is we just have so many great six five,
two hundred and thirty five pound high school athletes all
over the country, and it's like, well, let's put them
at tight end. Some can block, some can't. But I
look at the tight end position now and I never
(36:47):
thought tight end was a first round position. Brock Powers
total outlier, best college tight end I've ever seen. Kyle
Pitts not as good as I thought I But I
do look at Tyler Warren at Penn State and I
was I watched that USC and I'm sitting there and
I'm like, dude, if I had to do I could
could he throw the ball? Could I put him in
(37:07):
the backfield? What do you make of him as a prospect?
Because I keep hearing it's a weak draft, and I'm like,
if you told me one guy went in this draft
and we look five years later and went fad, We
just didn't get how good this guy was.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
He is different.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
What do you make of him historically as comp and
the Penn State tight end?
Speaker 6 (37:28):
He is different. I mean he's he's six five and
two thirds and he's two hundred and fifty six pounds
and when you see him like break tackles and rumbling
after the catch, You're like, yeah, he's every bit of that.
Then you see him as a as a route runner,
as an athlete. I mean he snapped the ball and
then in that game and went and caught a touchdown
passing the USC so like he could just kind of
(37:51):
he's kind of different that you can and people are like, well,
he's not a great blocker, Like yeah, no kidding, like
he was doing everything else and yeah, he's got to
improve in that area. I think he's so good after
the catch. I think he knows how to get open,
even though he doesn't separate, like Colston Lovelin. If you
want a wide receiver at tight end, that's your guy. Yeah,
he doesn't block like he's terrible at blocking. Let's just
(38:14):
call it what it is. Colston Lovelin's a wide and
he's he's a little bit more like brock Bauers just
to tick behind him. In terms of talent, Warren is
different man. Like you're watching the highlights here, he reminds
me more of Gronk. If Loveland is is Bowers or
Kelsey in that mode, this guy's Gronk in that he's
he's going to become a serviceable blocker. But what he
(38:36):
does so well is he's gonna find a way to
get open versus zone boxing guys out catch the ball,
and then after the catch, he creates so many yards
with his combination of his athleticism and then the fact
that he's just barreling through guys. So and then also
there's this guy named Elijah Arroyo who's six', five two
(38:56):
hundred and fifty one pounds From, miami who looks like
he's about two thirty the way he carries his. Weight
he had one year of great production At miami this past,
year had some, injuries but if he stays, healthy he's
got a chance to be a. Star and Then Jason taylor's,
Son Mason taylor wasn't even utilized all that well AT.
LSU a lot of underneath didn't like really stretch the
scenem and do those sorts of. Things he's he's the
(39:19):
same guy six four and a half two hundred and
fifty one pounds as a royo and has an unbelievable
skill set across the. Board those four tight ends have
a chance to make a significant mark early in their
careers and throughout their, careers AND i think all four
of them are going to be off the off the,
board probably in the top forty to forty five.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
Picks, todd you look, great you sound. Great happy for.
You you landed in a great. Spot say hi To
bill and The. Fellas what a, crush my, man
Hosts And Creators
Colin Cowherd
Jason McIntyre
Popular Podcasts
Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang
Ding dong! Join your culture consultants, Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang, on an unforgettable journey into the beating heart of CULTURE. Alongside sizzling special guests, they GET INTO the hottest pop-culture moments of the day and the formative cultural experiences that turned them into Culturistas. Produced by the Big Money Players Network and iHeartRadio.
40s and Free Agents: NFL Draft Season
Daniel Jeremiah of Move the Sticks and Gregg Rosenthal of NFL Daily join forces to break down every team's needs this offseason.
Crime Junkie
Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.