April 18, 2025 • 42 mins
Colin talks to Greg Cosell from NFL Films about the top quarterback prospects in the upcoming NFL draft and how Colorado quarterback Shedeur Sanders will translate to the pro game.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Draft Week starts officially on Monday. Greg Cosalm gonna join
us in about ninety seconds to two minutes live. It's
the Herd wherever you may be and however you may
be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day.
Jaymat comes back next week. Jordan Schultz filling in this
week has been great, so it's been a fun week
for us. I got a little bit of pushback on
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my Jackson Dart opinions, which I have said. I think
he's a better version, same high school, same basic size,
same basic offense, struggled against better college competition too often.
For me, He's Zach Wilson, but a little bicker. Got
a lot of pushback on that. I think he's a
little bit of a nervous thrower in big games when
you rush him. I don't love his decision making. Also,
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I think Shaduor Sanders, who is one of the most
accurate college quarterbacks I can remember seeing playing behind an
atrocious offensive line with no run game. I think he's undervalued.
I don't get him falling to twenty one. I think
there's a gap between Shaudo. For me, there's a gap
between Shador and Jackson Dart. In my trust, if I
was a general manager, on what I have seen in
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college through forty or fifty starts, I trust Shadoor Sanders
to run an offense, be composed, be accurate. Jackson Dart
I accuracy worries me. Tempo worries me in some big
games when he was hurried. There's a little bit of
a Zach Wilson thing that worries me. But I've gotten
a lot of pushback, especially on Jackson Dart. With that,
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we bring in Greg Cosel forty five years NFL film
out this week. By the way, the tape Nope, the
comprehensive draft guide are the best in the business, Greg
co Sell, It's called the tape Notebook. So listen. Everybody
is basically said, and I think mostly right. There's some
quarterback talent. It's not a star draft. Let's take cam Ward,
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so he was a no star recruit. I watched him
at Washington State because I'm from Washington State, but not
a lot of people did. He goes to Miami, he pops.
Does he look like a bona fide franchise changer on tape?
Speaker 3 (02:30):
I think he does.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Colin.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
You know, it's funny. I've finished watching him. I finish
all the quarterbacks before the combine because I always get
asked about them at the combine. So I finished all
those quarterbacks and my opinion doesn't change because it's based
on tape, and I saw Ward as a true legit,
high end prospect who's worthy of a top pick in
a draft. He's clearly the most physically gifted quarterback in
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this draft class. And you know, I just think that
the traits the high traits level on I know some
people at Washington State who told me that he's a
great kid, that he's got a dog mentality. So I
don't think there's any concern there at all with cam Ward.
I spoke to an NFL coach and I felt the
same way, who said that if he was in last
year's draft, he would have been in the conversation with
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the top three, and I personally believe that based on
tape study.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Okay, so I've said I think Tennessee's going to be
a playoff team with him. That's one of my upset picks.
I think he's a starter. Now, I like shit or
more than others, because I can't get past this. When
I watched him, and I probably watched him like everybody
else a dozen times, I thought he was kind of
uniquely accurate, moving left, moving right, holds the ball too long.
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Some of that, though, may just be get more refined.
So it does worry me. They say he's not a
great athlete, but he feels like he moves well enough.
To me, he had to with that old line. I
think he's a B prospect, not an A what's the
tape say to you?
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
I think at his core he's not a statue by
any means, just like Sej Stroud has turned out not
to be a statue. But at his core, he's a
pocket quarterback, and I think he's gotten over the top delivery.
He's an easy natural throw of the football. Yep, he
is accurate. He did throw about one hundred and fifty
screen passes this year. So I think the seventy percent
whatever it was completion percentage that is irrelevant in conversations
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about him, just because of the high number of screens
he threw. I like Schador Sanders, I think there's two
things that he clearly has to work on. One is
he has a tendency to retreat backwards when he feels pressure,
and that cannot happen in the NFL. And the other thing,
and this can be cleaned up, is he tends when
he perceivees pressure to hold the ball with one hand
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with his right hand, and you know that's disaster in
the NFL. But I think he's an easy natural throw
of the football. He's pretty rhythmic. That's his game. There
are plenty of examples on tape where he's stood in
the pocket in the face of pressure and delivered the football,
and I think that's real positive he's going to have
to do As a pock quarterback. You're going to have
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to do that. You're going to have to work in
squeezed pockets and stand and deliver. And I think he
showed that. It's always easy to talk about offensive line.
We saw this with Caleb Williams. The one other thing
that's concerning is quarterbacks that get sacked a lot in
college for whatever the reason. Colin gets sacked a lot
in the NFL. We saw that with Caleb Williams this
past year.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Okay, well, probably start disagreeing here. Jackson Dart worries me.
When I first watched them in college, I thought of
Zach Wilson. I didn't know they went to the same
high school, power high school in Utah, right, you know,
they're kind of the RPO thing, very successful. Didn't always
think Jackson Dart saw the field particularly well. That was
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my knock on Zach Wilson. Also my knock on justin field.
Some guys just don't see it as quickly. They have
slower eyes or whatever they call it. I don't see
him as a first round quarterback. Tell me I'm wrong,
what do you see?
Speaker 3 (05:57):
I don't think you're necessarily wrong. I kept going back
and forth on Jackson Dart. I watched him last summer
from his twenty twenty three tape. I think I watched
ten or eleven games this year because I just couldn't
get a great feel on what I think he'll be
in the league. Because that's what we're talking about. We're
not talking about college football. We're talking about the projection
and transition. I think I ultimately came down on the
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fact that he could be a quality starter depending on
any number of variables and variances, which is usually the
case with most quarterbacks. You know, the system he ran
at Ole Miss, it was a really good system. He
was very efficient and proficient at it. They did run
a lot of NFL route concepts, contrary to what people
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might believe. One thing that always bothers me. I kind
of learned this from Phil Simms years ago, and it
always bothers me with quarterbacks. Once Phil told me and
it resonated, is he works hard Colin to throw the ball,
and guys that work hard to throw the ball. I
always think when there's going to be pressure and you
have to kind of sit on your back foot and
drive the ball with some velocity, I always wonder how
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that's going to play out, Like, for instance, cam Ward
has zero problem with that whatsoever. So you know, I
just kept going back and forth on Dart. I'm not
quite as low on him as you are, but I'm
just not certain about what he is in the league.
I think it's going to be a function of team coach,
the offense that he's asked to run, so many factors
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that we just don't know right now.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Okay, So it's funny because I keep hearing this about
this Louisville quarterback Tyler Shuck yep, Okay, been hurt a lot,
bounced around a lot. He's twenty seven. The truth is,
when I was in college, you go to your college
dorm and there's always that one old guy in the
college dorm and he runs the floor. I forget the
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name of it, but he runs the floor, and he's
got a beard, and he drinks better beer. He drinks
better beer than all of us we're drinking, you know,
like sheet Milwaukee's best. And I think to myself, but
it reminds me of this guy. Like, listen, he's twenty seven.
He should be more physically developed, he should be smarter,
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he's got more reps. But it's like he's older than
Trevor Lawrence. I'm always so reluctant on like, really old
college quarterback who crushes in his final year of college.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
What do you make of Louisville's quarterback? Well, I can
only tell you what I saw in film. And by
the way, in talking to people around the league, the
age doesn't bother them as much as the injury history,
So just keep that in mind. But I thought that
after cam Ward, just purely on tape, that he had
the next best tape of any quarterback in this year's draft.
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I mean, he's a big kid. He's almost six' five
and by the, way that's a. Trait he's almost six.'
five he throws the ball really, really well he's got.
MOVEMENT ability I Like tyler shuck. A lot i don't
know where he's going to. GET drafted i doubt he's
a top, five pick but, YOU know i think the
tape was really, really WRONG and i really liked his game.
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A lot and, You know i've heard people who do
this kind, of thing, you know that, interview him talk,
to him say that he is, really mature which of
course he, should be as, you said but that he's
ready to go. Right now he's one of those guys
that's really impressive. In person but the tape, was very.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
Very.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Impressive, colin OKAY.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
So i said This about. Aston genty it's a really
good running. Back DRAFT but i remember, Years ago i'll.
Tell stories so it was a draft That Had, patrick
willis The old, miss LINEBACKER AND i i don't know
if YOU and i were doing our thing, back THEN
but i remember watching the. PRE YouTube i saw a
couple pieces of VIDEO as i was waiting for the
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draft where he literally ran DOWN an sec running BACK and,
I said, i'm like that's the best player in this
draft or THE the sec at, THAT time, i said
that piece of tape doesn't. Look normal that's that's. A
pro i saw a piece of Tape Like jamar chase as.
A sophomore, i'm like that guy would start for everybody IN.
The Nfl ashton gent Even, against oregon is BOUNCING off.
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Nfl players OREGON'S got. Nfl Dudes, Penn state he's just
it seems. Like nobody maybe it's because he's five seven
and a half. FIVE eight i watch his Tape and,
I'M like i know he Went To. VOISE state i know.
He's small nobody can get a clean shot. ON him
i think we're looking at a, star here.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Aren't, we well that's the magic, to him the, contact
balance the ability to, absorb hits continue to move without
losing any momentum. Or speed that's kind of his. Magical
lickxor that's what makes him, a really really. Good back,
you know it's interesting that he didn't Run because i'm
not sure that he's straight lined fast the way we think.
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Of IT but i don't think that MATTERS for nfl
running backs for the. Most part, BUT no i think
he'll be a really. Good back, you know it's interesting
in talking. To people there are, some people and you
might disagree with, this totally but there are some people
in the league who Think that Amari and hampton is
A better nfl Prospect than JENTI and i guess we'll.
Find out but there's no question the, contact balance the
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low center. Of gravity he's only five eight and a
quarter five eight and, a half so he's very low to.
The ground he's very tough to get a clean, hit
on and he's got that ability just to sort of
it's not power. Per se it's not like he runs,
over people he pinballs. Off people he absorbs it and
continues and that's a very rare trait and he's, Got
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THAT and, i mean he'll be a good pro, you,
know again it's always hard. To know, you know running
backs are. Hard Call and i'll tell. You why who would,
have thought what three four years Ago That kyen williams
coming Out Of notre dame would BE an nfl feature
back and have three hundred and sixteen carries, last year,
you know and not even play the final game of.
The season so it's very difficult with a lot of.
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These backs so much is dependent on team.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
And Scheme So, TRAVIS hunter i Do think otani and
baseball is something that we're all shocked. To SEE but
i do think, going forward we're going to see A Few.
Travis hunters we're going to see kids now athletically that
can play both sides of. The ball his motor. Is
weird he can play eighty eight snaps and on the
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eighty eight snap he looks like he's it's his third
snap of. THE game i would prefer getting him the
ball then defending. The ball when you. Watch tape is
he a better receiver? OR corner.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
I would probably say at this point, in time he's
probably a. Better RECEIVER but i think, that corners, you
know you can always find. Quality receivers really good corners
are tougher. To FIND and i think in terms of more, Of,
preparation colin do you THINK and i, you know do
you think he can be a part? Time corner, you
know think of it. This way imagine if you're you're,
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you know he's not gonna be On, the eagles but
just think of it. This Way Imagine nick siriani Walking
Into vic fango On, a wednesday, you know as they're
preparing for a game, and, saying Hey, coach vic you
Know today travis is going to be with, the afense not. With,
You well vic's gonna, Tell, him well then you know what.
He's not he's not Playing on sunday because you know
what we're putting in fifteen. New things and if he's
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not here for the for the practice and the meetings
and all the things that we're going. To do, YOU
know i don't care how gifted, he is but you,
know what if he makes, a mistake we're giving up
a sixty. Yard touchdown so, to me it's not whether
he's physically capable of. Doing it he may be that
freakish guy, that is because what he did in college is, absolutely,
Remarkable RIDICULOUS but i think it's more about the preparation during.
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The week i'm not sure you can be a part
time outside corner IN. The nfl. AND start i don't
mean being a nickel or any. OF that i, mean playing,
you know seventy snaps at outside corner because there's. TOO
much i think that goes into the preparation with that
in conjunction with the with the rest of, Your defense
whereas you can be a part time receiver in terms
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of playing fifteen or twenty snaps in. Given Packages so
i'm not sure that's going to. Work OUT but, i
mean he's obviously a uniquely.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Gifted, athlete OKAY so i know this is not a
first round player or maybe a second. Round player BUT
and i know his deep ball, Is ERRATIC but, i
SAID when I watch, kyle McCord anything intermediate, or under he.
Lets it. Repy's accurate he can squeeze the ball into.
Tight spots he's played With a powerhouse and then he's Played.
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With syracuse he's. Wildly, productive ye he's A pure he's a.
Pocket GUY but, i say is he's a, pocket guy.
No question so he's not going to be a first
and probably a second. Round PICK but, i said if
if McVeigh went and got him and he Sat behind
stafford for, TWO years i Look at kyle McCord and,
I'M like i know he's. Not, sexy athletically that looks
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like a starting quarterback. To me if you told me
there was a guy that got drafted in the fourth
that in two years started and. WAS effective i, like
him but he's just a. Pocket guy so does that
limit him in?
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Your, evaluation well let me ask, you this everything you,
just SAID and i just thought of this, right Now
and i'm sure people are going To say, I'm crazy
but everything you, just said how would that be different From? Shder? Sanders?
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Yeah shit or maybe he throws a better.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Deep, ball YEAH well i agree. With that, you know
McCord's an interesting guy because one of the things that
really struck ME when i, watched HIM and i think
he throws a, good ball he does have a TENDENCY
and i don't know if this can be. Cleaned up
it just might be the way. He throws he does
have a tendency certain times to lift his back foot
off the ground before, he throws and that impacts your
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velocity and your accuracy. At TIMES but i like. The player,
you know he's one of those GUYS and i don't
normally think, like this but just for YOU and i
talking like if ten is the highest to me is
like a seven. In everything, You know he's just he's a.
Solid player it's possible that he could be a starting quarterback.
FOR sure i mean because now you get into team and.
Scheme again, you know if he's got a. Run GAME
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and i know people are going, to, say well everybody,
needs this but YOU and i both know that there
are certain quarterbacks in the league that can, overcome deficiencies
whether it's within, their offense if they don't have a,
great defense they can overcome deficiencies because they can just
make those wonderful. Individual plays McCord is, you know do
you look at McCord and Think Of kirk cousins in
his Prime? In minnesota do you?
Speaker 4 (16:06):
See, THAT.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Yeah i mean a. LITTLE bit I remember Kirk At.
MICHIGAN state I think i WILL say i think he's
a more aggressive Thrower. Than kirk he'd throw. More picks
he's got A Little philip. Rivers attitude he lets it. Rip,
sometimes YEAH and i don't think it's the best decision in,
the World whereas kirk is.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Pretty, Safe YEAH although i mean if you told a
team that drafted McCord, and, said well We think You're
Like kirk Cousins and cousins for what four or five
six years in, a row through thirty five touchdowns and
ten picks, every year and, you, said well, you know
if he could, DO that i bet teams would say that's.
Pretty good we'll. Take, that, YEAH okay.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
I want to do this you've. BEEN doing i have
so much respect. For you i've always said there's certain
POSITIONS that i can look at, and, go oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
That works.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Like corner there's not many, good ones right if you're run, of, four,
three five like the Kid at texas. The corner he's
not fast enough to be a, dominant corner but he's
a really good player and he'll he'll make it in.
The Lead, will johnson by, the way is not a,
burner either but if you play, Enough Zone will Johnson
from michigan is going to be a VERY good. Nfl
corner but he's not. A burner he's not going to
guard your. Speed guy that's not what. He is but
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he's a, typical, harbought tough. Smart player SO but i
ALWAYS think i can watch corner, and, go yeah that
works IN. THE nfl i also think a lot, of
times you know quarterbacks obviously. Very hard people keep telling
me this is not a great offensive. TACKLE draft i
want to TALK and i want to. Ask YOU so
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I Watch kelvin banks in big Games and, i'm, like
yeah that's a. Starting tackle is there a position IN
the NFL college nfl that you have struggled with and
you just have to watch it IN? The nfl LIKE
when I Watch, Kelvin banks, I'M like i think he's
is he Close To? Joe alt but everybody's, telling, me
now there's no. Great tackles how do you look at
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tackle because it's a three hundred and thirty pound man
that needs good feet and is That a is there
a position that you've struggled with for years and, YOU'RE
like i just to watch it and, Pros, first.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Well there's POSITIONS where i FEEL like i have to
watch a lot of games because. They're hard and those
two positions are corner and safety because you can go
through games and depending on how the game, plays out
they may not do. A lot so you have to
sit and watch games and games, and GAMES and i
try to space OUT how i do corners and safeties
because if you watch five or six in, A ROW colin,
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i mean let's, face it almost every corner, you watch
unless he's terrible or unless he's, ridiculously special after, a
while they all look kind of. The same, they, all,
oh yeah their hips are, pretty good they transition. Pretty good,
you know they start to look. The SAME so i space.
It out but to get to, OFFENSIVE tackle i think
the litmus test for offensive tackles IN, the nfl so
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you have to think about this when you're watching guys
in college is can you pass protect one on one on?
Third down because there's not one single offensive coordinator in
this league that wants to keep a tight end or
a back end on. Third down they want to send
five out and be as detailed and subtle with their
route concepts as they can. Possibly be so the litmus
test for offensive tackles IN the nfl is can they
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pass protect on? Third down on third? And long and
if you don't feel they can, do that then THEY'RE
not nfl quality.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Offensive, tackles well, you know let's end with This because
bruce arians Said About. Jalen millrow, he SAID when i
look at a, college quarterback how is he in the two?
Minute drill and on? Third down and HE goes i
Don't See jalen millrow being a guy that on a
big third down when everybody in the ballpark knows, you're
throwing or a two minute drill when everybody in the
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football stadium knows. You're throwing, HE goes i just don't
see that guy. Doing THAT and i Listened to bruce
arians and he's a little mechanical. For me, Great kid
but do you look at quarterbacks the same WAY as
i always say IN the nfl the difference between the
haves and have nots is third and Eight And vic
fangio knows. You're throwing, the, topic.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Well yeah It's. The yeah the DIFFERENT the nfl with
quarterbacks are the must, have downs, third downs, red zone,
you know two minute end, of game the must. Have
SITUATIONS but i will, say this and this is where
the game, has changed and just not speaking Totally, about
milroe but the, fact is how many quarterbacks now beat
you on third down with. Their legs it changes, the
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game particularly in the. RED zone, i mean Look At.
JALEN hurts i mean the game has changed to the
point where it's third. And eight you have to defend
differently now because the quarterback. Can run, You know, bruce
arians and he certainly knows MORE than. I, do god
the guy was doing it for years and years, and years.
You know but the bottom, line is it's not just
now about dropping back and sitting in. The pocket, some
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guys it is that's The Way shadar sanders is going
to have to. Beat You But, jalen milroe who's obviously
not the refined Passer that, sanders is at this moment,
in time when it's third, and eight the defense has
to play differently because he can take off and run for.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Twenty, yards okay out this week the tape notebook as
we look At Some jalen milrow comprehensive, draft guide the
best in. The business greg co Sell as oha is.
My friend it's.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
Good talking colin really, Enjoyed it thanks.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
So, much, yeah, so yeah it's it's it's it's kind
of fascinating when you the quarterback positions obviously very hard because,
you know it's a. Leadership position. YOU know i was
talking yesterday to a general manager and we were talking
About the Jets And aaron glenn and it's similar, to quarterbacks.
He said coaches. Are, CEOs now sean MCVAY'S.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
The ceo.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
He, goes now sometimes you get lucky and You Get,
andy reid WHO'S a ceo and a. Schematic genius belichick
was that Defensively a shanahan is that. He goes but
you're HIRING. A ceo that's what your. Coach is you've
got coordinators to. Call plays YOU'RE. The ceo belichick would
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have the headset on not, calling plays not EVEN. Doing
dv he's doing, situational, Coaching, right okay big, third down
here's what we're. Gonna do he's coaching to win. THE
game a lot of, times coordinators, position coaches, you know they're, padding,
Resumes right and so when WE were i was talking,
about him, he said it's just. In college. It's different
you can be, Calling Plays, lane kiffen, you're recruiting you're.
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Dominating personnel IN, the nfl YOU'RE. A Ceo aaron glenn
was not a VERY good Ceo With. Aaron rodgers he
tried to, go rogue he tried to. Go alfay, he's
like that's not what A good. Ceo does so, this person, this,
executive said that's just bad Ceoing By, Aaron glenn and
that's what a pro. Coach, is yeah occasionally you get
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McVeigh who also is good. With schematics most of. Them
aren't and it's the same, with quarterback is that it
would be great if everybody's great from. The pocket And
Though lamar jackson's always been better from the pocket than.
Anybody acknowledges the truth Is what greg said. Is true
you have To defend. Lamar differently you. Just can't by,
the way good luck playing man to Man Against lamar
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jackson because once a defensive back, turns boom he's off.
And running so a Guy Like jalen milroe is gonna
see more Zone than Shado or sanders is not going
to take off. And run so you can play man.
To man very hard to play man to Man With
anthony richardson Or a Jalen mill roll or a quarterback
that likes. To run so The, bo nicks by, the
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way last Year bon nicks ran. A ton he's not
running against. The zones bonix is running against man corners turn, their,
back boom he's off. And running so it's all. You
know it can textualize all. Of it. It's fun one.
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feels like the.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
Team is in a. Good place can you let the
board come.
Speaker 5 (24:37):
To you, you know you don't feel, the pressure so,
to speak that we got to address.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
This player, you know we have to take this.
Speaker 5 (24:46):
THIS position i just don't feel that way because of
the way we have spread ourselves out in free agency
and adding to the roster.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
And really complete in.
Speaker 6 (24:55):
The roster so that's A very ravens esque philosophy of.
The draft and that's where obviously he Comes From. Door
ty's that's the pipeline we talked. About Earlier If colston
loveland is there at, twenty two that's. The Pick tight
end feels to me like the next chess Piece For.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Jim, HARBOROUGH yeah i mean they need they need more
consistency at. Wide receiver but if you elevate at tight
end and, running battler and those are two, position Groups
the chargers need another tight end back. End receiver so
if you elevate at running back and, tight end you
may not need a number. One receiver they just need
(25:31):
another receiver. In HOUSE but I think loveland is viewed
as to play keep your eye On The north carolina Running,
back hampton keep your eye on him if, he FALLS
because I think dallas may. Nab him that is, a
classic A. Little jk dobbins where like, run over you run.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
PAST you.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
I don't Know if hardball would move up in, the
Draft but hampton is, a really really.
Speaker 6 (25:56):
Good Player the Hampton comp i've gotten from teams a faster.
More Explosive. Joe mixon you talked about kind Of An
adrian peterson, type power but. Also speed you can imagine
him in. That System Also. MECHA buca I mean harbaugh
saw him In the, big ten. Terrific receiver he might
he probably will be there at. TWENTY two i think
any of those guys they need, more weapons and you
(26:18):
could address it at twenty two and feel very good.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
About it here he lost.
Speaker 6 (26:25):
His story colorado football made the decision to Retire Should
or Sanders And travis hunters jerseys after they started For
The buffalo for the last, two years people have not
been happy, about it including Our Own. Joe klatt Clatt
told Colorado Ad rick george he disagreed with retiring, the
Jerseys and, george, responded quote they changed the trajectory of.
Our program they saved our program in a lot.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
Of, ways colin this to me is a.
Speaker 6 (26:50):
No brainer they were one and Eleven the buffaloes were
When Should or sanders came in Along With travis hunter one.
And eleven they won nine games, last year over one
hundred school Records. At colorado not, only that top fifteen
all TIME in d one history with fourteen thousand yards
and most importantly Last Year Big Twelve offensive player Of.
(27:12):
The year the only issue here is that most of
the time you get your, retired jersey you can probably rent.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
A car he can't do.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
That, YET yeah, I mean I think colorado football. Was
dead it was a. Dead, program financially it. Was dead
it was. Not discussed nobody really, wanted it no conference.
Wanted IT so i don't have a problem. WITH it
I mean, colorado football those games now.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
Are fun.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
IT'S packed, I mean boulder On a saturday now. Is
COOL so, I mean i don't have a problem. WITH
it i Watch all colorado games when they play, good
teams and it's got. A vibe now it was a.
Dead program it is now. A vibe it's not as Good.
As clemson you don't have. To be there's a lot
to Do, In, boulder okay you just gotta be worth
going and hanging out for three hours and getting. On
(27:57):
TELEVISION so i don't have the two best players among
the two Best players i've, Ever Had.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
Rashaan salam those two.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Shot HIM, on tv got him Into The. Big twelve,
you know.
Speaker 6 (28:09):
It's the whole, netfil thing and it's so natural to
say That, about shador but he really was worth the
price of. A mission and Along with travis and Along,
with fine they changed.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
The program speaking of, program, Changers.
Speaker 6 (28:21):
Potentially jalen milroe accepted an invite to attend next, week's
draft leading many To think milroe is going to be
a first. Round Pick NOW Cleveland Gm andrew berry sees
a special Athlete, in milroe saying that the quarterback had
quote rare, physical talent adding That when milroe gets to,
the league he may be the only.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
Quarterback Faster Than.
Speaker 6 (28:42):
Lamar, Jackson callin i'm going to take you into the
mind OF AN afc. Et scout he told Me About,
jaylen milroe super, strong armed good touch on his. Deep, ball,
interviewed well. High ceiling now you just said something that was.
Really shrewd you Said, That Milroe. Lamar jackson it's very
hard to play man coverage against these quarterbacks because when
they WHEN a dB turns, his back they can take off.
(29:03):
And run What did milroe do better than most quarterbacks?
Last year he killed. Zone coverage all of that tells
me that even if he's not ready to start, day
one he can be an impactful starting quarterback at the.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Next, level WELL the, NFL now i mean ninety percent
of coverage feels. Like. Zone yeah so he is somebody that.
You Know steve kim represents Him At clutch sports AND
and i asked him, about him and, he said all
the intangibles are off. The charge is he ready to? Start,
today no he needs he needs. Some refinement he doesn't
(29:37):
have certain traits right now ready. To start but he is.
So Gifted and i'll, SAY this i didn't love him
always throwing the ball over the middle of, the field
but he has a really nice touch deep. Down there
he Does like, KYLE mccourd i trust from eighteen, YARDS
in i don't trust Him deep milroy almost trusts more down.
The field so and he's he was such a, good kid,
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good family, hard worker legendary. Work ethic, to me he
feels like a probably a second, round pick but he
to a team that doesn't need him to start for
a year and a half to. Two years he's.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
Had private workouts With the Browns. AND saints i was
so both were.
Speaker 6 (30:14):
Very impressive and on top, Of That, tommy reese who's
Now the CLEVELAND, o C was MILROSE O c atbama two.
Years ago so the book end It With. Andrew berry
maybe They Take. Travis hunter maybe They get milroe in the.
Second round that could make a lot.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
Of Sense jazz chisholm was furious after this.
Speaker 6 (30:33):
Horrible call look at this horrible oh called third strike in.
Yesterday's game now you can See here chishom letting the
umpire know exactly how he feels about. The call he,
was ejected and then he later tweeted not. Even Close
so i'm not, gonna, say oh, umpire stink this. Is
Bad what i'm gonna tell you look, at this and
(30:53):
he should. Be Mad Love aaron boone trying to play good.
Cop here But what i'm gonna tell you is we've
just gone so much to umpires and called strikes and
all all of.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
The replay if you go.
Speaker 6 (31:06):
Into, robot umpires which they are, now experimenting AND triple
a and you will take all of this out of.
The Game and i'm not saying we need to Have
The george brett run out of. The field but what
happened yesterday with dadstism, to me that's good.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
For, Baseball yeah and they they're testing this thing and
it works really quickly because the concern, Is, like okay
we're gonna stay here for forty. Five, seconds no but.
It's fast it's, really fast so it's. Eight seconds so it's. Happening,
there yeah they're gonna it's. GONNA happen i mean almost
every rule baseball. Has changed you got to be fairer
when you do this for. A living they've hit a
(31:41):
home run on. Almost everything the, pitch, clock great, defensive
shift out base, is bigger almost all of it's work
except for.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
The putting a guy in SECOND in.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
X rating well they do that in the regular season
because On a wednesday they don't want a game going.
Seventeen innings they're not going to do that In The.
World SERIES so i, think BASEBALL and i know we
think it's old and stodgy. And parochial they've Made rob
manfred has made six or seven moves over the last.
Three years they have all been good for. The game
if baseball is so? Much MORE can i watched more
(32:13):
baseball now than five? Years ago five times more? The
game if you hit, good pitching the games. Fly by
you can watch forty minutes and get. Three innings the
games fly by if you have.
Speaker 6 (32:24):
Good pitching so but don't you feel like jazzism erupting at?
Speaker 1 (32:28):
An, umpire, WELL no i THINK it's i THINK it's
i think. These games sports means more now than. It's
EVER the nfl this year said you no longer have
to networks no longer have to air every team at.
Least once EVEN the Nf, mark yeah EVEN the. Nfl
acknowledging the bottom line is this business is so, big
(32:49):
now Let's not let's not pretend every. Team matters just
Put the, eagles On the, lions On the. Packers ON
so i think let's Let this this sport is worth too.
Much money let's not. Mess around if we, have technology
let's just.
Speaker 6 (33:02):
USE it i just love seeing an umpire get.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Lit up and if you get the robot umps.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Lose it jordan with, The news well that's, the news
and thanks for.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Stopping That the. Herd lie im.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Me disagreement from. The staff the top ten players in,
THE playoffs I have lebron. Much lower it's nothing, against
it but there's so many. Great players by number two
to about, number eight it feels like they're all. The
same who are the ten best players in the playoffs Next?
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So bay we got some really interesting first ROUND plan
nba series, because, LIKE like I think houston's Gonna Upset.
Golden State golden state's Got a jonathan. Kaminga ISSUE it's
i think it's gonna be wide. Open outside, You Know
oklahoma city's Not, playing boston they get. The buys other,
than THAT it's, I mean i Don't think detroit's Gonna Beat,
new YORK but i think they're gonna Make the nick sweat.
(35:19):
For it so who are the ten best players in
the playoffs to keep your. Eye On number one's an,
Easy One. Nikola jokic but listen. To This the nuggets
were plus five ninety four when he was on the
floor this year and minus two seventy five when he
wasn't an eight hundred. POINTS swing, i mean he's Just.
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After kareem he's the Best center i've. Ever seen his dexterity.
Is incredible he's the. Best player i'm gonna Give you
yannis the number two, player defensively much Better. THAN jokic
i worry about him shooting free throws late sixty one
percent ON, the y so he's got a little shack
liability laid. In games but one of the more dominant
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athletes IN. THE nba i think he played his best
late in. The year giannis IS two sga, number three
very good defender with an insane wingspan for a. Point
guard LED the nba. In scoring i'm not sure he's
going to get, the whistle But he's he's just. A bucket,
i mean that's just all there is. To it he
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is just. A, bucket again plays, real defense and THAT'S
why i put, him THREE and I put luca, at
four who tends to get worn out in the playoffs
and is a. Defensive liability but passing and shooting, and
scoring he can just take. Over games there will be
stretches in this playoff where he looks like the best
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player in the WORLD and i can't wait to watch
it because he doesn't have to carry, the offense but
he's the most gifted player, on offense and this is
going to be a real statement series for him because
he came To the lakers off, an injury wasn't in.
GREAT shape i can't wait to. Watch it Number Five,
steph curry best player in the game without, THE ball
(37:07):
a great free, throw shooter great three, point shooter. Ball
handler he is the culture And playoff jimmy's going to
take a little pressure.
Speaker 5 (37:15):
Off.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Him now it's a tough matchup Against. The Rockets aman
thompson's their best athlete and this is going to be,
a work a working series. For HIM but i Think
he's Number Five, jason tatum who does everything, very well
although not necessarily, everything great but he's very good. At everything.
Is sick this is not a knock. On him, it's just,
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you know he doesn't have a lot of iconic moments,
or moves and there are Moments That jalen brown feels
like he's going to take the. Big Shot, jason, tatum
though Leads the celtics and the stuff, that, matters, points,
rebounds assists all through last. Year's run he's, Number six,
number seven, his AUNT who i just don't think is
as Refined As jason tatum is as. A player yet
(37:59):
he LED the nba in made threes, this year so
that's a. Real thing he's gonna have to score forty
plus in multiple games for The t wolves to Beat.
The lakers it's a very hot team entering. The playoffs
he doesn't have a lot of help. ON offense i
Don't Trust julius randall in, the PLAYOFFS although I Like
julius randall as, a PLAYER so i Would put. Ant
seven and this just really indicates how good the. Playoffs,
(38:19):
are now You think i'm Crazy putting, lebron EIGHT but
i don't get a consistent defensive Effort. From LEBRON and
i also think there are gonna be moments in these
Playoffs where lebron's Gonna let luca. Take Over so lebron
is the best closer IN, The nba and WHAT do
i mean? By that he let the league in shots
made in the. Fourth quarter lebron also right now is
often the first or second best player in the league.
(38:40):
In spurts he's very smart. And calculated he will save
himself for later, in Games but Sja and jokic could
end the game in the. Second quarter that's not Really
what lebron is. RIGHT now i put, him eight.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Number Nine.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Kawhi, leonard again do you get six or seven games?
PER series i, don't know but he's playing great late
in the season. REAL minutes i mean five six, YEARS
ago i mean we, were like he's a Less. DYNAMIC
jordan i mean he's a get, a bucket, huge hands really,
good defender incredibly strong for. His Weight, kawhi leonard, Number nine,
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Number Ten, donovan Mitchell former Utah jazz led, the team
best offense in, the league. Very efficient he just a.
Real pro he's just gotten better, and better but his
team's never advanced past the. Second round cleveland's a team
that doesn't get a lot of love during the, regular
season but they feel like a More Adult oklahoma city
(39:40):
where they're Like What oklahoma city is going to be
next year in. The Playoffs, so cleveland we've been waiting,
For them oh last, two years we've, been, like oh
and they JUST the nba is a baby steps league
And the cleveland just. WASN'T ready I think cleveland's, now
READY and i think they could beat The. The celtics
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they're built to Meet. The celtics they're a tough matchup For.
The CELTICS but I think boston's better than we're giving them.
Credit for so those are my ten, best PLAYERS and
i know what you're, gonna, Say Well jason, tatum six
because the five guys Ahead Of. Jason TATUM if i said,
TO you i need a, BUCKET now i. WOULD trust
i would trust the five guys that had to get a.
(40:22):
BUCKET now I think tatum has got great dexterity and does,
everything well but there are times in big Spots where
i'm not QUITE sure i want Him Or jalen. Brown
shooting But now tatum's had his. BEST year i know
this will be viewed as as, a shot but Everybody
Loves ann EDWARDS and I think jason's a more complete
Player Than ann edwards, right.
Speaker 4 (40:43):
Now two things to.
Speaker 6 (40:44):
Jump Out if kawhi is right and, he's healthy he
could easily be two.
Speaker 4 (40:48):
Or three and so if we believe.
Speaker 6 (40:51):
That he's going to have a healthy, playoff run considering
he's probably been the best player in the league the last, six.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
Weeks well he also is Like A. Jimmy butler kawhi
usually plays better than the play so he's there's.
Speaker 5 (41:02):
No.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
QUESTIONS now I Like, jimmy butler just missing.
Speaker 6 (41:05):
The, list YEAH but i Just the clippers are the.
Wildcard TEAM everyone i think is scared of what they.
Could be the, other THING and i mentioned this the,
other day You, have mitchell there. ARE ten i went
And Saw nick calves the other day and it was
it was unbelievable to me to see How connected. Cleveland
was they have such a great feel. To them they're so.
INCREDIBLY deep i don't know if they're, quite there but.
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They're DANGEROUS and i certainly That the Mobley and allen
in the front court and in, The guards Garland, and
mitchell that.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
Is. Lethal, yeah no they're really. Well run they've done
a really. Good job so it, is listen it's. Top,
HEAVY celtics Okse and cleveland field better than. EVERYBODY else
i Think the lakers are the best of the, next
GROUP but I Mean oklahoma city's good but. Really young
Cleveland AND boston i think of the two best teams
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built for, THE playoffs okac was the best regular. Season
Team CLEVELAND boston i think are built for the best playoff.
Run size they can both. Defend, you yeah they can
both defend at, the rim on, the wing at. The
point they just they offer a lot. Of stuff i'm excited.
For it we GOT a, I, Mean, indiana milwaukee
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Draft Week starts officially on Monday. Greg Cosalm gonna join
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the Herd wherever you may be and however you may
be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day.
Jaymat comes back next week. Jordan Schultz filling in this
week has been great, so it's been a fun week
for us. I got a little bit of pushback on
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my Jackson Dart opinions, which I have said. I think
he's a better version, same high school, same basic size,
same basic offense, struggled against better college competition too often.
For me, He's Zach Wilson, but a little bicker. Got
a lot of pushback on that. I think he's a
little bit of a nervous thrower in big games when
you rush him. I don't love his decision making. Also,
(01:11):
I think Shaduor Sanders, who is one of the most
accurate college quarterbacks I can remember seeing playing behind an
atrocious offensive line with no run game. I think he's undervalued.
I don't get him falling to twenty one. I think
there's a gap between Shaudo. For me, there's a gap
between Shador and Jackson Dart. In my trust, if I
was a general manager, on what I have seen in
(01:32):
college through forty or fifty starts, I trust Shadoor Sanders
to run an offense, be composed, be accurate. Jackson Dart
I accuracy worries me. Tempo worries me in some big
games when he was hurried. There's a little bit of
a Zach Wilson thing that worries me. But I've gotten
a lot of pushback, especially on Jackson Dart. With that,
(01:52):
we bring in Greg Cosel forty five years NFL film
out this week. By the way, the tape Nope, the
comprehensive draft guide are the best in the business, Greg
co Sell, It's called the tape Notebook. So listen. Everybody
is basically said, and I think mostly right. There's some
quarterback talent. It's not a star draft. Let's take cam Ward,
(02:14):
so he was a no star recruit. I watched him
at Washington State because I'm from Washington State, but not
a lot of people did. He goes to Miami, he pops.
Does he look like a bona fide franchise changer on tape?
Speaker 3 (02:30):
I think he does.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Colin.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
You know, it's funny. I've finished watching him. I finish
all the quarterbacks before the combine because I always get
asked about them at the combine. So I finished all
those quarterbacks and my opinion doesn't change because it's based
on tape, and I saw Ward as a true legit,
high end prospect who's worthy of a top pick in
a draft. He's clearly the most physically gifted quarterback in
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this draft class. And you know, I just think that
the traits the high traits level on I know some
people at Washington State who told me that he's a
great kid, that he's got a dog mentality. So I
don't think there's any concern there at all with cam Ward.
I spoke to an NFL coach and I felt the
same way, who said that if he was in last
year's draft, he would have been in the conversation with
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the top three, and I personally believe that based on
tape study.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Okay, so I've said I think Tennessee's going to be
a playoff team with him. That's one of my upset picks.
I think he's a starter. Now, I like shit or
more than others, because I can't get past this. When
I watched him, and I probably watched him like everybody
else a dozen times, I thought he was kind of
uniquely accurate, moving left, moving right, holds the ball too long.
(03:40):
Some of that, though, may just be get more refined.
So it does worry me. They say he's not a
great athlete, but he feels like he moves well enough.
To me, he had to with that old line. I
think he's a B prospect, not an A what's the
tape say to you?
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
I think at his core he's not a statue by
any means, just like Sej Stroud has turned out not
to be a statue. But at his core, he's a
pocket quarterback, and I think he's gotten over the top delivery.
He's an easy natural throw of the football. Yep, he
is accurate. He did throw about one hundred and fifty
screen passes this year. So I think the seventy percent
whatever it was completion percentage that is irrelevant in conversations
(04:19):
about him, just because of the high number of screens
he threw. I like Schador Sanders, I think there's two
things that he clearly has to work on. One is
he has a tendency to retreat backwards when he feels pressure,
and that cannot happen in the NFL. And the other thing,
and this can be cleaned up, is he tends when
he perceivees pressure to hold the ball with one hand
(04:39):
with his right hand, and you know that's disaster in
the NFL. But I think he's an easy natural throw
of the football. He's pretty rhythmic. That's his game. There
are plenty of examples on tape where he's stood in
the pocket in the face of pressure and delivered the football,
and I think that's real positive he's going to have
to do As a pock quarterback. You're going to have
(05:01):
to do that. You're going to have to work in
squeezed pockets and stand and deliver. And I think he
showed that. It's always easy to talk about offensive line.
We saw this with Caleb Williams. The one other thing
that's concerning is quarterbacks that get sacked a lot in
college for whatever the reason. Colin gets sacked a lot
in the NFL. We saw that with Caleb Williams this
past year.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Okay, well, probably start disagreeing here. Jackson Dart worries me.
When I first watched them in college, I thought of
Zach Wilson. I didn't know they went to the same
high school, power high school in Utah, right, you know,
they're kind of the RPO thing, very successful. Didn't always
think Jackson Dart saw the field particularly well. That was
(05:43):
my knock on Zach Wilson. Also my knock on justin field.
Some guys just don't see it as quickly. They have
slower eyes or whatever they call it. I don't see
him as a first round quarterback. Tell me I'm wrong,
what do you see?
Speaker 3 (05:57):
I don't think you're necessarily wrong. I kept going back
and forth on Jackson Dart. I watched him last summer
from his twenty twenty three tape. I think I watched
ten or eleven games this year because I just couldn't
get a great feel on what I think he'll be
in the league. Because that's what we're talking about. We're
not talking about college football. We're talking about the projection
and transition. I think I ultimately came down on the
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fact that he could be a quality starter depending on
any number of variables and variances, which is usually the
case with most quarterbacks. You know, the system he ran
at Ole Miss, it was a really good system. He
was very efficient and proficient at it. They did run
a lot of NFL route concepts, contrary to what people
(06:39):
might believe. One thing that always bothers me. I kind
of learned this from Phil Simms years ago, and it
always bothers me with quarterbacks. Once Phil told me and
it resonated, is he works hard Colin to throw the ball,
and guys that work hard to throw the ball. I
always think when there's going to be pressure and you
have to kind of sit on your back foot and
drive the ball with some velocity, I always wonder how
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that's going to play out, Like, for instance, cam Ward
has zero problem with that whatsoever. So you know, I
just kept going back and forth on Dart. I'm not
quite as low on him as you are, but I'm
just not certain about what he is in the league.
I think it's going to be a function of team coach,
the offense that he's asked to run, so many factors
(07:23):
that we just don't know right now.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Okay, So it's funny because I keep hearing this about
this Louisville quarterback Tyler Shuck yep, Okay, been hurt a lot,
bounced around a lot. He's twenty seven. The truth is,
when I was in college, you go to your college
dorm and there's always that one old guy in the
college dorm and he runs the floor. I forget the
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name of it, but he runs the floor, and he's
got a beard, and he drinks better beer. He drinks
better beer than all of us we're drinking, you know,
like sheet Milwaukee's best. And I think to myself, but
it reminds me of this guy. Like, listen, he's twenty seven.
He should be more physically developed, he should be smarter,
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he's got more reps. But it's like he's older than
Trevor Lawrence. I'm always so reluctant on like, really old
college quarterback who crushes in his final year of college.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
What do you make of Louisville's quarterback? Well, I can
only tell you what I saw in film. And by
the way, in talking to people around the league, the
age doesn't bother them as much as the injury history,
So just keep that in mind. But I thought that
after cam Ward, just purely on tape, that he had
the next best tape of any quarterback in this year's draft.
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I mean, he's a big kid. He's almost six' five
and by the, way that's a. Trait he's almost six.'
five he throws the ball really, really well he's got.
MOVEMENT ability I Like tyler shuck. A lot i don't
know where he's going to. GET drafted i doubt he's
a top, five pick but, YOU know i think the
tape was really, really WRONG and i really liked his game.
(09:02):
A lot and, You know i've heard people who do
this kind, of thing, you know that, interview him talk,
to him say that he is, really mature which of
course he, should be as, you said but that he's
ready to go. Right now he's one of those guys
that's really impressive. In person but the tape, was very.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
Very.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Impressive, colin OKAY.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
So i said This about. Aston genty it's a really
good running. Back DRAFT but i remember, Years ago i'll.
Tell stories so it was a draft That Had, patrick
willis The old, miss LINEBACKER AND i i don't know
if YOU and i were doing our thing, back THEN
but i remember watching the. PRE YouTube i saw a
couple pieces of VIDEO as i was waiting for the
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draft where he literally ran DOWN an sec running BACK and,
I said, i'm like that's the best player in this
draft or THE the sec at, THAT time, i said
that piece of tape doesn't. Look normal that's that's. A
pro i saw a piece of Tape Like jamar chase as.
A sophomore, i'm like that guy would start for everybody IN.
The Nfl ashton gent Even, against oregon is BOUNCING off.
(10:03):
Nfl players OREGON'S got. Nfl Dudes, Penn state he's just
it seems. Like nobody maybe it's because he's five seven
and a half. FIVE eight i watch his Tape and,
I'M like i know he Went To. VOISE state i know.
He's small nobody can get a clean shot. ON him
i think we're looking at a, star here.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Aren't, we well that's the magic, to him the, contact
balance the ability to, absorb hits continue to move without
losing any momentum. Or speed that's kind of his. Magical
lickxor that's what makes him, a really really. Good back,
you know it's interesting that he didn't Run because i'm
not sure that he's straight lined fast the way we think.
(10:41):
Of IT but i don't think that MATTERS for nfl
running backs for the. Most part, BUT no i think
he'll be a really. Good back, you know it's interesting
in talking. To people there are, some people and you
might disagree with, this totally but there are some people
in the league who Think that Amari and hampton is
A better nfl Prospect than JENTI and i guess we'll.
Find out but there's no question the, contact balance the
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low center. Of gravity he's only five eight and a
quarter five eight and, a half so he's very low to.
The ground he's very tough to get a clean, hit
on and he's got that ability just to sort of
it's not power. Per se it's not like he runs,
over people he pinballs. Off people he absorbs it and
continues and that's a very rare trait and he's, Got
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THAT and, i mean he'll be a good pro, you,
know again it's always hard. To know, you know running
backs are. Hard Call and i'll tell. You why who would,
have thought what three four years Ago That kyen williams
coming Out Of notre dame would BE an nfl feature
back and have three hundred and sixteen carries, last year,
you know and not even play the final game of.
The season so it's very difficult with a lot of.
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These backs so much is dependent on team.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
And Scheme So, TRAVIS hunter i Do think otani and
baseball is something that we're all shocked. To SEE but
i do think, going forward we're going to see A Few.
Travis hunters we're going to see kids now athletically that
can play both sides of. The ball his motor. Is
weird he can play eighty eight snaps and on the
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eighty eight snap he looks like he's it's his third
snap of. THE game i would prefer getting him the
ball then defending. The ball when you. Watch tape is
he a better receiver? OR corner.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
I would probably say at this point, in time he's
probably a. Better RECEIVER but i think, that corners, you
know you can always find. Quality receivers really good corners
are tougher. To FIND and i think in terms of more, Of,
preparation colin do you THINK and i, you know do
you think he can be a part? Time corner, you
know think of it. This way imagine if you're you're,
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you know he's not gonna be On, the eagles but
just think of it. This Way Imagine nick siriani Walking
Into vic fango On, a wednesday, you know as they're
preparing for a game, and, saying Hey, coach vic you
Know today travis is going to be with, the afense not. With,
You well vic's gonna, Tell, him well then you know what.
He's not he's not Playing on sunday because you know
what we're putting in fifteen. New things and if he's
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not here for the for the practice and the meetings
and all the things that we're going. To do, YOU
know i don't care how gifted, he is but you,
know what if he makes, a mistake we're giving up
a sixty. Yard touchdown so, to me it's not whether
he's physically capable of. Doing it he may be that
freakish guy, that is because what he did in college is, absolutely,
Remarkable RIDICULOUS but i think it's more about the preparation during.
(13:24):
The week i'm not sure you can be a part
time outside corner IN. The nfl. AND start i don't
mean being a nickel or any. OF that i, mean playing,
you know seventy snaps at outside corner because there's. TOO
much i think that goes into the preparation with that
in conjunction with the with the rest of, Your defense
whereas you can be a part time receiver in terms
(13:44):
of playing fifteen or twenty snaps in. Given Packages so
i'm not sure that's going to. Work OUT but, i
mean he's obviously a uniquely.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Gifted, athlete OKAY so i know this is not a
first round player or maybe a second. Round player BUT
and i know his deep ball, Is ERRATIC but, i
SAID when I watch, kyle McCord anything intermediate, or under he.
Lets it. Repy's accurate he can squeeze the ball into.
Tight spots he's played With a powerhouse and then he's Played.
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With syracuse he's. Wildly, productive ye he's A pure he's a.
Pocket GUY but, i say is he's a, pocket guy.
No question so he's not going to be a first
and probably a second. Round PICK but, i said if
if McVeigh went and got him and he Sat behind
stafford for, TWO years i Look at kyle McCord and,
I'M like i know he's. Not, sexy athletically that looks
(14:31):
like a starting quarterback. To me if you told me
there was a guy that got drafted in the fourth
that in two years started and. WAS effective i, like
him but he's just a. Pocket guy so does that
limit him in?
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Your, evaluation well let me ask, you this everything you,
just SAID and i just thought of this, right Now
and i'm sure people are going To say, I'm crazy
but everything you, just said how would that be different From? Shder? Sanders?
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Yeah shit or maybe he throws a better.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Deep, ball YEAH well i agree. With that, you know
McCord's an interesting guy because one of the things that
really struck ME when i, watched HIM and i think
he throws a, good ball he does have a TENDENCY
and i don't know if this can be. Cleaned up
it just might be the way. He throws he does
have a tendency certain times to lift his back foot
off the ground before, he throws and that impacts your
(15:24):
velocity and your accuracy. At TIMES but i like. The player,
you know he's one of those GUYS and i don't
normally think, like this but just for YOU and i
talking like if ten is the highest to me is
like a seven. In everything, You know he's just he's a.
Solid player it's possible that he could be a starting quarterback.
FOR sure i mean because now you get into team and.
Scheme again, you know if he's got a. Run GAME
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and i know people are going, to, say well everybody,
needs this but YOU and i both know that there
are certain quarterbacks in the league that can, overcome deficiencies
whether it's within, their offense if they don't have a,
great defense they can overcome deficiencies because they can just
make those wonderful. Individual plays McCord is, you know do
you look at McCord and Think Of kirk cousins in
his Prime? In minnesota do you?
Speaker 4 (16:06):
See, THAT.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Yeah i mean a. LITTLE bit I remember Kirk At.
MICHIGAN state I think i WILL say i think he's
a more aggressive Thrower. Than kirk he'd throw. More picks
he's got A Little philip. Rivers attitude he lets it. Rip,
sometimes YEAH and i don't think it's the best decision in,
the World whereas kirk is.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Pretty, Safe YEAH although i mean if you told a
team that drafted McCord, and, said well We think You're
Like kirk Cousins and cousins for what four or five
six years in, a row through thirty five touchdowns and
ten picks, every year and, you, said well, you know
if he could, DO that i bet teams would say that's.
Pretty good we'll. Take, that, YEAH okay.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
I want to do this you've. BEEN doing i have
so much respect. For you i've always said there's certain
POSITIONS that i can look at, and, go oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
That works.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Like corner there's not many, good ones right if you're run, of, four,
three five like the Kid at texas. The corner he's
not fast enough to be a, dominant corner but he's
a really good player and he'll he'll make it in.
The Lead, will johnson by, the way is not a,
burner either but if you play, Enough Zone will Johnson
from michigan is going to be a VERY good. Nfl
corner but he's not. A burner he's not going to
guard your. Speed guy that's not what. He is but
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he's a, typical, harbought tough. Smart player SO but i
ALWAYS think i can watch corner, and, go yeah that
works IN. THE nfl i also think a lot, of
times you know quarterbacks obviously. Very hard people keep telling
me this is not a great offensive. TACKLE draft i
want to TALK and i want to. Ask YOU so
(17:30):
I Watch kelvin banks in big Games and, i'm, like
yeah that's a. Starting tackle is there a position IN
the NFL college nfl that you have struggled with and
you just have to watch it IN? The nfl LIKE
when I Watch, Kelvin banks, I'M like i think he's
is he Close To? Joe alt but everybody's, telling, me
now there's no. Great tackles how do you look at
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tackle because it's a three hundred and thirty pound man
that needs good feet and is That a is there
a position that you've struggled with for years and, YOU'RE
like i just to watch it and, Pros, first.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Well there's POSITIONS where i FEEL like i have to
watch a lot of games because. They're hard and those
two positions are corner and safety because you can go
through games and depending on how the game, plays out
they may not do. A lot so you have to
sit and watch games and games, and GAMES and i
try to space OUT how i do corners and safeties
because if you watch five or six in, A ROW colin,
(18:23):
i mean let's, face it almost every corner, you watch
unless he's terrible or unless he's, ridiculously special after, a
while they all look kind of. The same, they, all,
oh yeah their hips are, pretty good they transition. Pretty good,
you know they start to look. The SAME so i space.
It out but to get to, OFFENSIVE tackle i think
the litmus test for offensive tackles IN, the nfl so
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you have to think about this when you're watching guys
in college is can you pass protect one on one on?
Third down because there's not one single offensive coordinator in
this league that wants to keep a tight end or
a back end on. Third down they want to send
five out and be as detailed and subtle with their
route concepts as they can. Possibly be so the litmus
test for offensive tackles IN the nfl is can they
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pass protect on? Third down on third? And long and
if you don't feel they can, do that then THEY'RE
not nfl quality.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Offensive, tackles well, you know let's end with This because
bruce arians Said About. Jalen millrow, he SAID when i
look at a, college quarterback how is he in the two?
Minute drill and on? Third down and HE goes i
Don't See jalen millrow being a guy that on a
big third down when everybody in the ballpark knows, you're
throwing or a two minute drill when everybody in the
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football stadium knows. You're throwing, HE goes i just don't
see that guy. Doing THAT and i Listened to bruce
arians and he's a little mechanical. For me, Great kid
but do you look at quarterbacks the same WAY as
i always say IN the nfl the difference between the
haves and have nots is third and Eight And vic
fangio knows. You're throwing, the, topic.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Well yeah It's. The yeah the DIFFERENT the nfl with
quarterbacks are the must, have downs, third downs, red zone,
you know two minute end, of game the must. Have
SITUATIONS but i will, say this and this is where
the game, has changed and just not speaking Totally, about
milroe but the, fact is how many quarterbacks now beat
you on third down with. Their legs it changes, the
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game particularly in the. RED zone, i mean Look At.
JALEN hurts i mean the game has changed to the
point where it's third. And eight you have to defend
differently now because the quarterback. Can run, You know, bruce
arians and he certainly knows MORE than. I, do god
the guy was doing it for years and years, and years.
You know but the bottom, line is it's not just
now about dropping back and sitting in. The pocket, some
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guys it is that's The Way shadar sanders is going
to have to. Beat You But, jalen milroe who's obviously
not the refined Passer that, sanders is at this moment,
in time when it's third, and eight the defense has
to play differently because he can take off and run for.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Twenty, yards okay out this week the tape notebook as
we look At Some jalen milrow comprehensive, draft guide the
best in. The business greg co Sell as oha is.
My friend it's.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
Good talking colin really, Enjoyed it thanks.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
So, much, yeah, so yeah it's it's it's it's kind
of fascinating when you the quarterback positions obviously very hard because,
you know it's a. Leadership position. YOU know i was
talking yesterday to a general manager and we were talking
About the Jets And aaron glenn and it's similar, to quarterbacks.
He said coaches. Are, CEOs now sean MCVAY'S.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
The ceo.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
He, goes now sometimes you get lucky and You Get,
andy reid WHO'S a ceo and a. Schematic genius belichick
was that Defensively a shanahan is that. He goes but
you're HIRING. A ceo that's what your. Coach is you've
got coordinators to. Call plays YOU'RE. The ceo belichick would
(21:48):
have the headset on not, calling plays not EVEN. Doing
dv he's doing, situational, Coaching, right okay big, third down
here's what we're. Gonna do he's coaching to win. THE
game a lot of, times coordinators, position coaches, you know they're, padding,
Resumes right and so when WE were i was talking,
about him, he said it's just. In college. It's different
you can be, Calling Plays, lane kiffen, you're recruiting you're.
(22:11):
Dominating personnel IN, the nfl YOU'RE. A Ceo aaron glenn
was not a VERY good Ceo With. Aaron rodgers he
tried to, go rogue he tried to. Go alfay, he's
like that's not what A good. Ceo does so, this person, this,
executive said that's just bad Ceoing By, Aaron glenn and
that's what a pro. Coach, is yeah occasionally you get
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McVeigh who also is good. With schematics most of. Them
aren't and it's the same, with quarterback is that it
would be great if everybody's great from. The pocket And
Though lamar jackson's always been better from the pocket than.
Anybody acknowledges the truth Is what greg said. Is true
you have To defend. Lamar differently you. Just can't by,
the way good luck playing man to Man Against lamar
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jackson because once a defensive back, turns boom he's off.
And running so a Guy Like jalen milroe is gonna
see more Zone than Shado or sanders is not going
to take off. And run so you can play man.
To man very hard to play man to Man With
anthony richardson Or a Jalen mill roll or a quarterback
that likes. To run so The, bo nicks by, the
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way last Year bon nicks ran. A ton he's not
running against. The zones bonix is running against man corners turn, their,
back boom he's off. And running so it's all. You
know it can textualize all. Of it. It's fun one.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
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Speaker 1 (23:39):
You like Yesterday the athletic or two days Ago. The
athletic they picked every player in. THE draft i if
they call It.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
THE beast.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
I spent so much time in the last two days looking.
AT that i can't be the only person that just
LOVES The. NFL draft I just i. DON'T know i
it's the art architecture. Of it it's It's like minecraft,
and meets, you know building forks when you're. A kid
i don't know what.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
IT is i just.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Love it jordan with, The news turn on.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
The news this is the herdline news all.
Speaker 6 (24:16):
Right Calling jim harbaugh and his staff completely Transformed the
charters from top, to, bottom yes making the playoffs in
his first season as. The, coach Now As los angeles
prepares for its second, Second DRAFT Bolts Gm joe ortiz
feels like the.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
Team is in a. Good place can you let the
board come.
Speaker 5 (24:37):
To you, you know you don't feel, the pressure so,
to speak that we got to address.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
This player, you know we have to take this.
Speaker 5 (24:46):
THIS position i just don't feel that way because of
the way we have spread ourselves out in free agency
and adding to the roster.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
And really complete in.
Speaker 6 (24:55):
The roster so that's A very ravens esque philosophy of.
The draft and that's where obviously he Comes From. Door
ty's that's the pipeline we talked. About Earlier If colston
loveland is there at, twenty two that's. The Pick tight
end feels to me like the next chess Piece For.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Jim, HARBOROUGH yeah i mean they need they need more
consistency at. Wide receiver but if you elevate at tight
end and, running battler and those are two, position Groups
the chargers need another tight end back. End receiver so
if you elevate at running back and, tight end you
may not need a number. One receiver they just need
(25:31):
another receiver. In HOUSE but I think loveland is viewed
as to play keep your eye On The north carolina Running,
back hampton keep your eye on him if, he FALLS
because I think dallas may. Nab him that is, a
classic A. Little jk dobbins where like, run over you run.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
PAST you.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
I don't Know if hardball would move up in, the
Draft but hampton is, a really really.
Speaker 6 (25:56):
Good Player the Hampton comp i've gotten from teams a faster.
More Explosive. Joe mixon you talked about kind Of An
adrian peterson, type power but. Also speed you can imagine
him in. That System Also. MECHA buca I mean harbaugh
saw him In the, big ten. Terrific receiver he might
he probably will be there at. TWENTY two i think
any of those guys they need, more weapons and you
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could address it at twenty two and feel very good.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
About it here he lost.
Speaker 6 (26:25):
His story colorado football made the decision to Retire Should
or Sanders And travis hunters jerseys after they started For
The buffalo for the last, two years people have not
been happy, about it including Our Own. Joe klatt Clatt
told Colorado Ad rick george he disagreed with retiring, the
Jerseys and, george, responded quote they changed the trajectory of.
Our program they saved our program in a lot.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
Of, ways colin this to me is a.
Speaker 6 (26:50):
No brainer they were one and Eleven the buffaloes were
When Should or sanders came in Along With travis hunter one.
And eleven they won nine games, last year over one
hundred school Records. At colorado not, only that top fifteen
all TIME in d one history with fourteen thousand yards
and most importantly Last Year Big Twelve offensive player Of.
(27:12):
The year the only issue here is that most of
the time you get your, retired jersey you can probably rent.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
A car he can't do.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
That, YET yeah, I mean I think colorado football. Was
dead it was a. Dead, program financially it. Was dead
it was. Not discussed nobody really, wanted it no conference.
Wanted IT so i don't have a problem. WITH it
I mean, colorado football those games now.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
Are fun.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
IT'S packed, I mean boulder On a saturday now. Is
COOL so, I mean i don't have a problem. WITH
it i Watch all colorado games when they play, good
teams and it's got. A vibe now it was a.
Dead program it is now. A vibe it's not as Good.
As clemson you don't have. To be there's a lot
to Do, In, boulder okay you just gotta be worth
going and hanging out for three hours and getting. On
(27:57):
TELEVISION so i don't have the two best players among
the two Best players i've, Ever Had.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
Rashaan salam those two.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Shot HIM, on tv got him Into The. Big twelve,
you know.
Speaker 6 (28:09):
It's the whole, netfil thing and it's so natural to
say That, about shador but he really was worth the
price of. A mission and Along with travis and Along,
with fine they changed.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
The program speaking of, program, Changers.
Speaker 6 (28:21):
Potentially jalen milroe accepted an invite to attend next, week's
draft leading many To think milroe is going to be
a first. Round Pick NOW Cleveland Gm andrew berry sees
a special Athlete, in milroe saying that the quarterback had
quote rare, physical talent adding That when milroe gets to,
the league he may be the only.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
Quarterback Faster Than.
Speaker 6 (28:42):
Lamar, Jackson callin i'm going to take you into the
mind OF AN afc. Et scout he told Me About,
jaylen milroe super, strong armed good touch on his. Deep, ball,
interviewed well. High ceiling now you just said something that was.
Really shrewd you Said, That Milroe. Lamar jackson it's very
hard to play man coverage against these quarterbacks because when
they WHEN a dB turns, his back they can take off.
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And run What did milroe do better than most quarterbacks?
Last year he killed. Zone coverage all of that tells
me that even if he's not ready to start, day
one he can be an impactful starting quarterback at the.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Next, level WELL the, NFL now i mean ninety percent
of coverage feels. Like. Zone yeah so he is somebody that.
You Know steve kim represents Him At clutch sports AND
and i asked him, about him and, he said all
the intangibles are off. The charge is he ready to? Start,
today no he needs he needs. Some refinement he doesn't
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have certain traits right now ready. To start but he is.
So Gifted and i'll, SAY this i didn't love him
always throwing the ball over the middle of, the field
but he has a really nice touch deep. Down there
he Does like, KYLE mccourd i trust from eighteen, YARDS
in i don't trust Him deep milroy almost trusts more down.
The field so and he's he was such a, good kid,
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good family, hard worker legendary. Work ethic, to me he
feels like a probably a second, round pick but he
to a team that doesn't need him to start for
a year and a half to. Two years he's.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
Had private workouts With the Browns. AND saints i was
so both were.
Speaker 6 (30:14):
Very impressive and on top, Of That, tommy reese who's
Now the CLEVELAND, o C was MILROSE O c atbama two.
Years ago so the book end It With. Andrew berry
maybe They Take. Travis hunter maybe They get milroe in the.
Second round that could make a lot.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
Of Sense jazz chisholm was furious after this.
Speaker 6 (30:33):
Horrible call look at this horrible oh called third strike in.
Yesterday's game now you can See here chishom letting the
umpire know exactly how he feels about. The call he,
was ejected and then he later tweeted not. Even Close
so i'm not, gonna, say oh, umpire stink this. Is
Bad what i'm gonna tell you look, at this and
(30:53):
he should. Be Mad Love aaron boone trying to play good.
Cop here But what i'm gonna tell you is we've
just gone so much to umpires and called strikes and
all all of.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
The replay if you go.
Speaker 6 (31:06):
Into, robot umpires which they are, now experimenting AND triple
a and you will take all of this out of.
The Game and i'm not saying we need to Have
The george brett run out of. The field but what
happened yesterday with dadstism, to me that's good.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
For, Baseball yeah and they they're testing this thing and
it works really quickly because the concern, Is, like okay
we're gonna stay here for forty. Five, seconds no but.
It's fast it's, really fast so it's. Eight seconds so it's. Happening,
there yeah they're gonna it's. GONNA happen i mean almost
every rule baseball. Has changed you got to be fairer
when you do this for. A living they've hit a
(31:41):
home run on. Almost everything the, pitch, clock great, defensive
shift out base, is bigger almost all of it's work
except for.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
The putting a guy in SECOND in.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
X rating well they do that in the regular season
because On a wednesday they don't want a game going.
Seventeen innings they're not going to do that In The.
World SERIES so i, think BASEBALL and i know we
think it's old and stodgy. And parochial they've Made rob
manfred has made six or seven moves over the last.
Three years they have all been good for. The game
if baseball is so? Much MORE can i watched more
(32:13):
baseball now than five? Years ago five times more? The
game if you hit, good pitching the games. Fly by
you can watch forty minutes and get. Three innings the
games fly by if you have.
Speaker 6 (32:24):
Good pitching so but don't you feel like jazzism erupting at?
Speaker 1 (32:28):
An, umpire, WELL no i THINK it's i THINK it's
i think. These games sports means more now than. It's
EVER the nfl this year said you no longer have
to networks no longer have to air every team at.
Least once EVEN the Nf, mark yeah EVEN the. Nfl
acknowledging the bottom line is this business is so, big
(32:49):
now Let's not let's not pretend every. Team matters just
Put the, eagles On the, lions On the. Packers ON
so i think let's Let this this sport is worth too.
Much money let's not. Mess around if we, have technology
let's just.
Speaker 6 (33:02):
USE it i just love seeing an umpire get.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Lit up and if you get the robot umps.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Lose it jordan with, The news well that's, the news
and thanks for.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Stopping That the. Herd lie im.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Me disagreement from. The staff the top ten players in,
THE playoffs I have lebron. Much lower it's nothing, against
it but there's so many. Great players by number two
to about, number eight it feels like they're all. The
same who are the ten best players in the playoffs Next?
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Speaker 1 (34:57):
So bay we got some really interesting first ROUND plan
nba series, because, LIKE like I think houston's Gonna Upset.
Golden State golden state's Got a jonathan. Kaminga ISSUE it's
i think it's gonna be wide. Open outside, You Know
oklahoma city's Not, playing boston they get. The buys other,
than THAT it's, I mean i Don't think detroit's Gonna Beat,
new YORK but i think they're gonna Make the nick sweat.
(35:19):
For it so who are the ten best players in
the playoffs to keep your. Eye On number one's an,
Easy One. Nikola jokic but listen. To This the nuggets
were plus five ninety four when he was on the
floor this year and minus two seventy five when he
wasn't an eight hundred. POINTS swing, i mean he's Just.
(35:42):
After kareem he's the Best center i've. Ever seen his dexterity.
Is incredible he's the. Best player i'm gonna Give you
yannis the number two, player defensively much Better. THAN jokic
i worry about him shooting free throws late sixty one
percent ON, the y so he's got a little shack
liability laid. In games but one of the more dominant
(36:05):
athletes IN. THE nba i think he played his best
late in. The year giannis IS two sga, number three
very good defender with an insane wingspan for a. Point
guard LED the nba. In scoring i'm not sure he's
going to get, the whistle But he's he's just. A bucket,
i mean that's just all there is. To it he
(36:25):
is just. A, bucket again plays, real defense and THAT'S
why i put, him THREE and I put luca, at
four who tends to get worn out in the playoffs
and is a. Defensive liability but passing and shooting, and
scoring he can just take. Over games there will be
stretches in this playoff where he looks like the best
(36:46):
player in the WORLD and i can't wait to watch
it because he doesn't have to carry, the offense but
he's the most gifted player, on offense and this is
going to be a real statement series for him because
he came To the lakers off, an injury wasn't in.
GREAT shape i can't wait to. Watch it Number Five,
steph curry best player in the game without, THE ball
(37:07):
a great free, throw shooter great three, point shooter. Ball
handler he is the culture And playoff jimmy's going to
take a little pressure.
Speaker 5 (37:15):
Off.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Him now it's a tough matchup Against. The Rockets aman
thompson's their best athlete and this is going to be,
a work a working series. For HIM but i Think
he's Number Five, jason tatum who does everything, very well
although not necessarily, everything great but he's very good. At everything.
Is sick this is not a knock. On him, it's just,
(37:36):
you know he doesn't have a lot of iconic moments,
or moves and there are Moments That jalen brown feels
like he's going to take the. Big Shot, jason, tatum
though Leads the celtics and the stuff, that, matters, points,
rebounds assists all through last. Year's run he's, Number six,
number seven, his AUNT who i just don't think is
as Refined As jason tatum is as. A player yet
(37:59):
he LED the nba in made threes, this year so
that's a. Real thing he's gonna have to score forty
plus in multiple games for The t wolves to Beat.
The lakers it's a very hot team entering. The playoffs
he doesn't have a lot of help. ON offense i
Don't Trust julius randall in, the PLAYOFFS although I Like
julius randall as, a PLAYER so i Would put. Ant
seven and this just really indicates how good the. Playoffs,
(38:19):
are now You think i'm Crazy putting, lebron EIGHT but
i don't get a consistent defensive Effort. From LEBRON and
i also think there are gonna be moments in these
Playoffs where lebron's Gonna let luca. Take Over so lebron
is the best closer IN, The nba and WHAT do
i mean? By that he let the league in shots
made in the. Fourth quarter lebron also right now is
often the first or second best player in the league.
(38:40):
In spurts he's very smart. And calculated he will save
himself for later, in Games but Sja and jokic could
end the game in the. Second quarter that's not Really
what lebron is. RIGHT now i put, him eight.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Number Nine.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Kawhi, leonard again do you get six or seven games?
PER series i, don't know but he's playing great late
in the season. REAL minutes i mean five six, YEARS
ago i mean we, were like he's a Less. DYNAMIC
jordan i mean he's a get, a bucket, huge hands really,
good defender incredibly strong for. His Weight, kawhi leonard, Number nine,
(39:17):
Number Ten, donovan Mitchell former Utah jazz led, the team
best offense in, the league. Very efficient he just a.
Real pro he's just gotten better, and better but his
team's never advanced past the. Second round cleveland's a team
that doesn't get a lot of love during the, regular
season but they feel like a More Adult oklahoma city
(39:40):
where they're Like What oklahoma city is going to be
next year in. The Playoffs, so cleveland we've been waiting,
For them oh last, two years we've, been, like oh
and they JUST the nba is a baby steps league
And the cleveland just. WASN'T ready I think cleveland's, now
READY and i think they could beat The. The celtics
(40:00):
they're built to Meet. The celtics they're a tough matchup For.
The CELTICS but I think boston's better than we're giving them.
Credit for so those are my ten, best PLAYERS and
i know what you're, gonna, Say Well jason, tatum six
because the five guys Ahead Of. Jason TATUM if i said,
TO you i need a, BUCKET now i. WOULD trust
i would trust the five guys that had to get a.
(40:22):
BUCKET now I think tatum has got great dexterity and does,
everything well but there are times in big Spots where
i'm not QUITE sure i want Him Or jalen. Brown
shooting But now tatum's had his. BEST year i know
this will be viewed as as, a shot but Everybody
Loves ann EDWARDS and I think jason's a more complete
Player Than ann edwards, right.
Speaker 4 (40:43):
Now two things to.
Speaker 6 (40:44):
Jump Out if kawhi is right and, he's healthy he
could easily be two.
Speaker 4 (40:48):
Or three and so if we believe.
Speaker 6 (40:51):
That he's going to have a healthy, playoff run considering
he's probably been the best player in the league the last, six.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
Weeks well he also is Like A. Jimmy butler kawhi
usually plays better than the play so he's there's.
Speaker 5 (41:02):
No.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
QUESTIONS now I Like, jimmy butler just missing.
Speaker 6 (41:05):
The, list YEAH but i Just the clippers are the.
Wildcard TEAM everyone i think is scared of what they.
Could be the, other THING and i mentioned this the,
other day You, have mitchell there. ARE ten i went
And Saw nick calves the other day and it was
it was unbelievable to me to see How connected. Cleveland
was they have such a great feel. To them they're so.
INCREDIBLY deep i don't know if they're, quite there but.
(41:28):
They're DANGEROUS and i certainly That the Mobley and allen
in the front court and in, The guards Garland, and
mitchell that.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
Is. Lethal, yeah no they're really. Well run they've done
a really. Good job so it, is listen it's. Top,
HEAVY celtics Okse and cleveland field better than. EVERYBODY else
i Think the lakers are the best of the, next
GROUP but I Mean oklahoma city's good but. Really young
Cleveland AND boston i think of the two best teams
(41:56):
built for, THE playoffs okac was the best regular. Season
Team CLEVELAND boston i think are built for the best playoff.
Run size they can both. Defend, you yeah they can
both defend at, the rim on, the wing at. The
point they just they offer a lot. Of stuff i'm excited.
For it we GOT a, I, Mean, indiana milwaukee
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