1990 Lovers Lane Cold Case

#Whatshappening / Merlin Rothfeld joins the show to talk finance with Gary and Shannon. #True Crime Tuesday – 1990 Lovers Lane Cold Case.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to kf
I Am six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
They gave out awards. I don't know why we were
talking about this. Best the iHeart Radio Podcast Awards, Yeah,
iHeart Podcast. Sorry, awards we're handed out last night down
at south By Southwest. You'd heard ads for it. Podcast
of the Year goes to Last Culturistas with Matt Rodgers
and Bowen Yang. Best wellness and fitness podcast, Huboran Lab.
Best history podcast is called Your Wrong About the The

(00:35):
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Speaker 3 (00:44):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
Best political podcast goes to Making Kelly. Best green podcast
goes to Ted Klein.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
What would you call our podcast? Best? It wouldn't fit
in any around podcast?

Speaker 2 (00:59):
Best Big Night for the Kelsey family. They won Jason
and Travis one for best Sports podcast, and Best Emerging
Podcast went to Kylie Kelsey.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
You know what Phil Schumann, filling in for John Coblt
called our twelve o'clock hour on Friday.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
You were not a gigantic twelve o'clock hour.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
He called it miscellaneous, So maybe that's miscellaneous.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
What else is going on?

Speaker 2 (01:26):
Miscellaneous?

Speaker 4 (01:28):
Time four?

Speaker 2 (01:29):
What's happenings?

Speaker 3 (01:33):
Got your miscellaneous right here?

Speaker 2 (01:35):
First, back to back storms arrives here in southern California.
The rain has been off and on throughout the day
most of southern California, but it is going to increase
by later Tomorrow night is when we're going to see
a much more powerful storm. They said it's brewing in
the Gulf of Alaska and should bring rain totals along
the coast and valleys between one and two inches by
Thursday night, maybe two to four inches in the mountains

(01:58):
and the foothills. And and it's rain. It's good, but
let's not go crazy. It's just rain.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
Let's not go crazy.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
You know who is a fan of the show who
we are now friends with on social media, Casey Montoya
from KTLA.

Speaker 5 (02:14):
Really yes, hell and okay easy just being nice and
saying hello, Okay, that's embarrassing.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
Is that a creepy way?

Speaker 5 (02:23):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (02:24):
How should I say it?

Speaker 3 (02:25):
Just don't be weird?

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Hello?

Speaker 3 (02:28):
Anyway.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
I told her that we'd love to have her on
when we have weather issues, which we have, so maybe
I'll reach out if you're not weird, and we'll get
her on to talk about the storm.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
This is a strange story. Remains that were found late
last year in the San Bernardino Mountains have now officially
been identified as Carlos Baltasar, a Forest Service firefighter who
went missing during the El Dorado Fire five years ago. Wow.
A hunter discovered a human skull in October of last
year in the Smarts Ranch Road area north of Cactus

(02:59):
Flat in your Highway eighteen. According to the family, the
Hotshots crew member went missing after a squad boss died
while fighting the Eldorado Fire. He went to report to
the barracks to prepare for funeral service and was not
seen after he was talking to his co workers and
later they said they found his vehicle crashed along Highway eighteen.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
Illegal dumping is on the rise, No Hello.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
Miscellaneous reports of illegal dumping apparently soared in the first
two months of this year compared to last year. Tens
of thousands of reports of trash and furniture and other
debris that is just thrown out on the streets. It's
up thirty six percent according to the data, as opposed

(03:50):
to this time last year. It's the highest number going
back to twenty eighteen. This could be you know, trash
bags or construction debris, or couches, or hazardous waste or
what have you. People are just dumping this stuff because
they have no respect for the city.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
I would assume by the way it happens.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
Van Eyes wins the toilet Award because they have the
most illegal dumping reports of eight hundred and forty five
so far this year. Wow, eight forty five. This is
one of those things that as a city council member,
a county county Board of supervisors candidate something, This.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
Is one of those things I add on it.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
I want to be able to say, listen, even just
driving over some of your common daily freeway overpasses, there's
so much trash that has accumulated just in the little
curb area. Is there not somebody that could go through
You work them from ten o'clock in the at night
until four o'clock in the morning, and just pick six

(04:46):
hours of whatever stretch of road you're gonna do and
just clean that one up.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
Politically, what a great cause it's changed you can see. Yeah, yeah,
let's see, we've got wreckage of a three hundred foot
ship that's been missing for one hundred and thirty two years.
That's been found in Lake Superior the Western Reserve, a
three hundred foot steel steamer, broke in two when it

(05:11):
wrecked back in eighteen ninety two just about sixty miles
northwest of Whitefish Point in Lake Superior. Every shipwreck has
its own story, according to the Great Lake Shipwreck Historical
Society director Bruce Lynn. Every shipwreck has its own story,

(05:32):
he says, but some are just that much more tragic.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
Listen this now, I'm thinking of something else.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
At the time of this route, Captain Peter Minch, the
ship's owner your dog's namesake, brought his family along on
a cruise through Lake Huron with plans to go to
Two Harbors, Minnesota. The ship was under the command of
Captain Albert Meyer for this voyage. The weather was cooperative

(06:00):
until they reached Whitefish Bay. Then the crew dropped anchor
to wait out poor weather conditions. As they weighed anchor
and steamed into Lake Superior, a gale brewed up.

Speaker 3 (06:12):
It broke up, and it sunk.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
The Minch family and the ship's crew boarded and launched
two lifeboats, but almost immediately one of the lifeboats overturned.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
Dead dead people.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
The remaining lifeboat with the Minch family and surviving crew.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
Sorry, dead people. I didn't know who were dead.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
I didn't know who they were.

Speaker 5 (06:46):
I didn't there people.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
This is a no, not this song. This song the
wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald, which at the time was
the largest ship ever sailing the Lake Superior.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
That's what the family died toot dead people. The only
survivor was the wheelsman Harry Stewart of Algonic Michigan.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
Sorry, boy, but.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
Do you remember this at all? Gordon Lightfootzgerald.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
Of course I knew you.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
Don't know the story about this, the Jim Harbaugh story. No,
Holy hell, So this just happened last season. Obviously, it's
Jim Harbo's first season. He recited this entire song, oh
really to the Chargers in a team meeting. It's like
a twenty minute song. And he told the team, Yeah,
and this was a boat, a ship that was wrecked

(07:49):
in Michiganliod Superior. He told the team he didn't want
to be like in like eighteen members of the crew died,
nine dead, dead dead people. He told the team, I
don't want you to be like the guys who fought
for their lives that day and fought in the wars

(08:10):
and all the things. I want you to be the
storm that took the ship out.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
How's that for a motivational Tuesday?

Speaker 2 (08:18):
I guess.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
Jim Harbaugh, by the way, was rated as the number
one coach in the NFL when it comes to wasting
the most time.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
With his words.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
Oh that's too bad.

Speaker 3 (08:32):
No, I mean they love it.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
It's in a good way, but for what, Like it's
just telling tales. But yeah, he recited this whole thing
twenty minute long in deadpant like he was reading the
phone book.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
World of Wall Street is a little topsy turvy these days.
We're gonna be checking in with Trader Merlin when we
come back about what's going on.

Speaker 4 (08:57):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
A six forty.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
Well.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
We have had our eyes all day, well all week
on Wall Street. Manic day has sent the US stock
market carrening following the latest escalation in the trade war.
We wanted to get an update from somebody who follows
the markets on well. Investors are concerned, but is this

(09:24):
just a blip or are these blips the way the
President says they are, at least the way he said
they were yesterday.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
You could find Trader Merlin on YouTube at Trader Merlin,
a regular show that he produces looking at the Things
on the Markets and full disclosure. Merlin and I went
to high school together. Oh my goodness, seven and sixteen
years ago. Merlin, what's going on?

Speaker 6 (09:47):
Oh, I'm living the dream. Happy to be on the
Miscellaneous Hour with you guys.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
So Merlin, should we be panicking and tell us why?

Speaker 3 (09:55):
The answer is no.

Speaker 6 (09:59):
What is preface that they're I don't think you need
a panic, Let's be honest. I mean, these markets are
just in a normal correction. If we look back at
twenty twenty two, we were up seventy percent, seventy six percent.
So all these people freaking out that we're having an
eight percent draw down in the S and piece, it's normal.
It's like telling me that I'm driving to work and
I normally have fifteen stop lights and I've hit eight
red lights. Big deal, It's normal at half of them.

(10:20):
You know, It's just part of the game. So no,
I don't think you need to panic. I think you
need to be more defensive because I do believe that
these tariffs that are the tariff talk, the art of
the deal, if you will, with these tariffs is probably
going to lead the more downside movement in the intermediate term,
probably for the next few few months. So yes, protect
your portfolio, but no reason.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
To panic talk about the importance of or the the
effect that volatility has. Just the uncertainty of what the
end of this trade war is going to look like
and what that means for the markets on a day
to day basis.

Speaker 6 (10:55):
Just bottom line is it's much more uncertainty. As you
pointed out. You know, if you look at the previous
administration with pretty clear where things were headed, there's no
knee jerk reactions. And if you look at what happened
with Trump in his previous term, you know there was
a lot of shock and awe. And I think that
comes from a lot of reality TV, which is you
go to the end of an episode and you see
something so atrocious and so jaw dropping that nobody wants
to leave the channel and they come back to the

(11:16):
next after the commercial break. So I think Trump's doing
the same thing. It will be a continued amount of
very volatile marketplaces where for the average investor, someone who's
looking at their four to one K on a daily basis,
This is gonna drive you nuts. You're gonna go bald, pulling.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
Your hair out.

Speaker 6 (11:30):
If you're an active trader. These are the glory days.
I mean, these are the days that you dream about.
Is someone shorter term because you have a five percent
down day, a three percent up, you know, it's been
very wild and this, to me, will be the new
norm for a while. So either you learn how to
accommodate that type of volatility or you just don't look
at your portfolo for a while.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
I was at Starbucks the other day and waiting for
my order to be picked up, and there was a
few guys and they were all glued to their cell
phones and they were looking at the market, the meters
or what have you, and the graphs and everything. And
is this the time like you mentioned or are you
intimated where people who are a work in this this

(12:12):
is fun for them, or this is times when you
can play around with things or what.

Speaker 6 (12:19):
Well, you know, you look at the financial markets and
they're incredibly broad. You have going all the way from
the long term investors who are going to buy something
and hold it for the next decade or two. And
then you have the short term day traders who are
literally in and out within five to ten minutes. So
there's this broad spectrum of different people in the marketplaces
with different goals and objectives. I'm more of a shorter
term I would say, a swing trader, which is days

(12:41):
that last a couple of days to a couple of weeks.
And right now, it's a very attractive style because the
uncertainty is just it's so prominent that latching on to
the beliefs that the markets are going to go in
one direction for six months or a year, that's out
the window. I mean, the volatility is here to say,
So I think you kind of tailor your strategy and
then ending on what you would like to buy into

(13:01):
or invest in. You know, it all has to be
custom tailored to what you choose to do, because I'm
sure Shannon, you have different objectives, and Gary probably has
different objectives besides just making money in the market. Right
Maybe it's retirement, Maybe it's investing in Starbucks which is
down fifteen percent as a good deal or something like that.
So I think every individual listening right now has different
goals objectives, for their capital.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
Merlin, great stuff, man, I appreciate you getting back to us.

Speaker 6 (13:27):
Yeah, anytime.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
Hey, I looking good. Tell me about the daily show
that you do on YouTube.

Speaker 6 (13:35):
I do a daily show from two to three pm
Pacific time, Monday through Friday, Trader Merlin, and it's just
kind of open ended talk about all things markets, from stocks, equities, bonds,
and of course cryptocurrencies, which have been just absolutely crazy now.
So yeah, there's always something going on in the financial markets.
They never sleep.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
Awesome, Well, you're never going to sleep now that we've
got you in our clutches, Marlin, because this bring it on,
bring it up.

Speaker 6 (13:57):
We'll call it the intolerable risk of collisions for our.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
You've been listening, so yeah, the volatility is here to stay.
So we'll stay on top of this for you, keep
our eyes on the market, as will Merlin as well.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
Thanks man, appreciate it, my pleasure. Thank you again, you
bet Merlin Rothfield. Make sure you check him out Trader
Merlin on YouTube and also other places on social media,
and you can email him at trailer Trader Merlin Trader
Merlin at gmail dot com.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
Coming up next, it is true crime Tuesday. A cold
case to tell you about who killed Cheryl and Andy.
Cheryl raped her throat slit in nineteen ninety Andy tied
to a tree, nearly decapitated.

Speaker 3 (14:38):
Sounds quite personal. Cold case.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
It has haunted these families, as you can imagine, for decades.
We'll tell you what we know when we come back
to Gary and Shannon.

Speaker 4 (14:48):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
President Trump has been helping lobby members of his party
to pass this measure. Senate action would still be needed
later this week to keep the government open.

Speaker 4 (15:02):
Jd.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
Vance has been on Capitol Hill. He's been telling House
Republicans that they will be the ones who take the
blame for a government shutdown in pop culture if they
don't pass this legislation. Stocks have retreated mostly again today.
The NASDAK did turn back into positive territory for the
most part in the last last little while, but the
Dow is still down about two hundred points s and

(15:25):
P five hundred is just barely dow. It's mostly flat.
It's only down about seven as of right now. And
that story that we told you about out of Pakistan
armed militants have taken four hundred and fifty people hostage
and wounded the driver of a train during what is
being referred to as a terrorist attack in the southwestern

(15:46):
province of Bolakistan. The separatist Bollack Liberation Army has threatened
to execute all of the four hundred and fifty hostages
it has if the Pakistani authorities attempt to intervene. It
hasn't a exactly stated what they are looking for. But again,
the hijacking, I guess you would say of a passenger

(16:08):
train in southwest Pakistan.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
Tuesday we dive into current and sometimes cold cases for
True Crime Tuesday and today the.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
Story is true, sounds true?

Speaker 6 (16:25):
No, it sounds made up.

Speaker 4 (16:27):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
Perry and Shannon present True Crime.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
Today we bring you the story of Cheryl Henry and
Andy Atkinson, and it.

Speaker 3 (16:39):
Is not a good story.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
It comes to us from nineteen ninety A beautiful summer night.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
Cheryl and Andy Young. She was twenty two, he was
twenty one. They meet up at Buy You Mama's nightclub.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
If you want to picture them, picture the quintessential like
eighties permed, blonde.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
Bubbly girl.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
The guy looked like out of Fast Times. A Ridgemont
high blonde guy, Zach Morris type hair style, green eyes,
big smile.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
That's what these two.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
These two looked like. So they meet up at this
night club. That was really the last time that anybody
saw them alive, because they drive to an area of
known as Lover's Lane. Everybody's got one of them. This
is off of Enclave Parkway near Eldridge Parkway in West Houston.
The problem is there were somebody there that eventually was

(17:38):
going to kill them.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
Twenty two year old Ryl did not come home that night,
and the next morning her family realizes she did not
come home that night, so they call Houston Police. Security
guard who is out in the area of Lover's Lane
was actually the person who came across what appeared to

(18:01):
be the crime scene.

Speaker 3 (18:03):
It was that security guard.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
He found Andy's car, the white car there and it
had Cheryl's purse and her shoes inside. When the security
guard found the car, Cheryl's mom, Barbara, rushed to the area.

(18:24):
By the time mom got there, as you can imagine,
there had been a police presence, there had been crime
scene tape, there had been search dogs, and the search
dogs found Cheryl's body When Mom was there.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
Officers had to hold Barbara back.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
They did not want Barbara to see the horrific scene
that the dogs had come across. That they did not
want the mom to see the horrific way her daughter
was killed.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
Now, this quote from Mom, this was just a few
years ago. Oh, actually, even though the murders took place
in nineteen ninety, Mom said, I know if they had
let me go to Cheryl, to her body, she said,
I would have breathed into her and she would be alive.
And that I don't think I've ever seen a mother's

(19:19):
love described in a more poignant way than the belief that,
regardless of what had happened to her daughter, she would
be able to just through the sheer power of will,
been able to breathe life back into her daughter.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
Also, just.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
The shock and the disbelief and your mind not being
able to grasp the fact that your child has been murdered,
to the point of if I could have gotten there,
that wouldn't have been the case.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
That was Cheryl's body. Andy's body was found nearby. He
had been tied to a tree, nearly decapitated, and detectives
told Andy's father that in fact, Cheryl was the one
who was killed first. His dad is also a nightmare.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
Yeah, his dad's name is Garland. And he said this
means my son was tied to a tree, listen to
Cheryl's scream, listen to her being murdered, knowing that he
couldn't do anything about it, and that they were going
to do the same to him.

Speaker 5 (20:26):
So that's just hard to accept. Still, of course, still
it's kind of a.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
Tangent to this, or an interesting aspect to the scene
itself was that whoever it was that killed Cheryl and
Andy used Andy's golf balls and golf club out of
his car to point the way to Cheryl's body, who
was found hidden under some wooden boards. There was a
twenty dollars bill lying next nearby, and one of the

(20:56):
detectives said it was very odd and even in twenty seventeen,
even twenty seven years after the murders, this detective said,
I've gotten sick to my stomach stomach thinking of what
they endured. That was actually Cheryl's sister that said that
about the what it was that went on.

Speaker 1 (21:15):
When you think about the violence and the crime scene,
the fact that she was personally attacked and assaulted and
that he was tied to a tree and made to
listen to all this and the setup with the golf
balls and the golf club pointing the way it seems
like it was personal. Retired Detective Billy Belk spent two

(21:39):
decades trying to track down the killer. He said that
even after he retired, as you can imagine, the case
stayed with him because he says, it's one of the
few cases that I never cleared. It's like I left
unfinished business when I retired.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
He still had his theories.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
He thinks, like maybe the evidence suggests that these two
were targeted. Coming back, we'll talk about what else. Retired
Detective Billy Belk thinks about the case and the fact
that it's been reopened and where DNA could take us
because DNA was found, and with all of the progress

(22:19):
that has been made with DNA testing and familial testing,
maybe it doesn't remain a cold case for much longer.

Speaker 4 (22:28):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on Demand from KFI
AM six forty.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
We were just watching during the break, President Trump has
taken delivery of his new tesla. He stood there with
Elon Musk. There were actually four or five different cars
and at least one cyber truck sitting there in the
driveway there at the White House, and he was taking
questions from reporters, and he said, kind of ironic that
I'm going to take one of these, but I don't

(22:57):
even get to drive it. They don't let me drive.
Like I love driving cars, but I haven't driven a
car in a long time. He said that he was
the last time you think he drove a car, I
mean him, Well, he got in, he's a car.

Speaker 3 (23:10):
He doesn't drive.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
That's why.

Speaker 3 (23:12):
That's why I'm ever driven.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
He's eighty eighty seventy eight, seventy nine. With the last
time Donald Trump drove a vehicle.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
By himself, I wouldn't be surprised if you never drive,
if he never drove.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
Interesting, let's see here.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
Ukraine says it is ready to accept a proposal to
enact a interim thirty day ceasefire in its war with Russia.
This is a joint statement from the US and Ukraine.
They met in Saudi Arabia today. National Security Advisor Mike
Wallas says the US will now immediately lift the pause
on military aid and intel sharing with Ukraine. So now

(23:46):
you're just waiting on Russia's response, I assume.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
One time congresswoman and Senate candidate Katie Porter has said
that she is going to be running for governor in
California next year. Says that she is going to be
a champion of our progressive values and will fight any
effort by Trump to cut healthcare benefits or curtail the
efforts to slow the climate crisis. She has said she

(24:11):
would step aside if Kamala Harris decides to run for
governor of the state of California.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
Well, that you're just pissing into the wind.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
At that point, we were going to say, right, you're
urinating into the breeze.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
I don't think the wind was the wrong word to use.
The wind.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
Yeah, okay, But like we were talking about earlier, Kamala Harris,
it seems like all of the bad odor surrounding whatever
campaign she tried to run is dissipated, and now that
all that remains is her name recognition, and she'll run
away with it in California.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
Probably one of the things that Katie Porter is trying
to do also is suggest that Washington, DC needs a
new voice, even though she's been in Congress. She also
has talked about being just I'm just a mom, just
a mom, a teacher trying to go to the Senate,
very similar to what Patty Murray did in Washington State

(25:06):
two decades ago. I'm just a mom in sensible shoes
going to the United States Senate like Sarah Palin. But yes,
but then Patty Murray's been there for twenty plus years.
So it's the.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
Patty Murray still more likable than Katie Porter, or maybe not,
Maybe it's a matter of opinion. NTSB, by the way,
giving an update today on that deadly mid air collision
between the Army helicopter the Blackhawk and the American Airlines
passenger jet, the NTSB chair Jennifer Hammady says there were
over fifteen thousand close proximity events between helicopters and passenger

(25:44):
jets in the past three years at Reagan International International
fifteen thousand. So they're saying, hey, why don't we xnay
on the whole helicopter a let's prohibit certain helicopter ops
in the area over the river as the investigation continues.
Sixty seven people killed there. She says she's not ready

(26:06):
at this point to assess blame.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
We're in the middle of a true crime Tuesday. We're
telling you the story about Cheryl Henry and Andy Atkinson.
Summer nineteen ninety. This young couple out on a date.
They meet up at a nightclub and then they head
off to lover's Lane. Their bodies were found a short
time later, both of them brutalized and just the gruesome

(26:32):
scene that haunts detectives years later. Now Belch Billy Belk,
was one of the Houston PD detectives that did this.
They covered this case and traveled around the country trying
to find the suspect. And there were DNA samples found
at the crime scene, and he compared again this nineteen
ninety He compared those DNA samples to those of known criminals,

(26:57):
and he said he came up with about twenty five
potential suspects DNA that had been compared with what they
found at the crime scene, but that all of them
had been ruled out.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
There was a report by FBI profilers at has surfaced
KHOU out of Houston eleven News dug this up. Here
are some of the theories from FBI profilers that took
a look at the facts of this cold case. Number one,
the suspect may have been known to Cheryl or Andy

(27:29):
or both. Number two he was about the age of
the victims. Three he had above average intelligence but was
a low achiever. And four police may have interviewed him
at one time. Now, I don't need to be an
FBI profiler to tell you that those things, those four
things are usually true with most the murders.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
I think you and I, who are not FBI profilers,
could have written those four.

Speaker 3 (27:56):
Points as well, exactly my point.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
In two thousand and one, and somebody did send a
letter to Houston Police Department promising information in that case
for one hundred thousand dollars in exchange. And they don't
know if it was written by the killer, someone close
to the killer, if it was a hoax. They simply
don't know because that never led anywhere. But there was
one lead. There was one lead that came out about

(28:23):
twenty five years after the actual murders.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
Yeah, an exotic dancer who was raped about two months
before the murders provided the first real break in the case.
But like you mentioned, it wasn't until years later. This
woman says, back in nineteen ninety, she left her job
at Gigi's nightclub and went to her boyfriend's house in
northwest Houston. A man shows up, says he's looking for

(28:48):
the boyfriend who owed him money, and then attacked her,
put her hands behind her back, wrapped him in duct tape,
covered her eyes and mouth, put a bag over her head.
She said he kept pulling trigger, taunting her over and over.
She described him as late twenties to mid thirties, about
six feet tall, one hundred and eighty pounds, with black

(29:08):
hair olive complexion. He had a black fish net stalking
over his head. He wore black gloves, dark shirt, dark pants,
possibly a uniform. She said he had a very forceful
military type stance.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
Now back then again, this would have been nineteen ninety.
DNA testing was pretty new, was very expensive, and it
took investigators seventeen years before they would run the DNA
that they found on the rape victim and actually get
a match, a match to the DNA that was found
at the scene of Sheryl and Andy's death from nineteen ninety.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
So they track her down to Galveston County seventeen years later,
interview her again and learned another astonishing link.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
She once worked for Andy's dad. Now they know if
again his name was Garland. They didn't know if the
killer might have also worked for Garland Atkinson or if
this was just a complete weird coincidence.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
She helped a famous sketch artist, to Lois Gilbson, create
a sketch of her attacker, which was also aged to
depict what he may look like in two thousand and eight. Now,
despite the DNA match, despite the interview with the dancer,
despite the sketches on all of it, the identity remains
a mystery. He is not in the national DNA database.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
So I mean, we're thirty thirty five years later, no suspects,
but we do have the DNA, and as we've seen
multiple times and talked about many times on this segment,
it is probably a matter of time before they can
establish that sort of backwards family tree that they have

(30:55):
used multiple times to actually find the culport in this case.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
In recent months, family member have bought full page ads
and local newspapers calling for any new leads. It's only
a matter of time, right. How many stories have we
done where there's always a knock on the door someone
thinks they may have gotten away with it or somebody
knows that they never will get away with it.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
Interesting to put it. That's why we do our true
crime Tuesdays. John Cobolchas coming up next. You miss any
part of our show, go back and check out the
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Speaker 3 (31:28):
Not gonna win any awards around here.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
I've been Gary and Shannon.

Speaker 3 (31:34):
Well see you tomorrow. Stay dry, everybody, good luck without blessings.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
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