The Meg and Amy Show

The Meg and Amy Show

Join best friends Meg Bear and Amy Wilson on The Meg and Amy Show – a podcast for big-picture thinkers who are ready to challenge the status quo. As former tech executives and seasoned business leaders, Meg and Amy have spent decades leading through change. Now, they’re joining forces to break down the trends they’ve lived and helped shape.

Episodes

Episode 036 | Himanshu Palsule

April 3, 2026 • 56 mins
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Episode 35 | Why Most AI Productivity Claims Are Dangerously Misleading | Ben Waber

March 27, 2026 • 57 mins
MIT researcher and People Analytics author Ben Waber joins Amy and Meg for one of the most myth-busting conversations about AI, productivity, and what actually drives enterprise value. From a 23-year-old grad student who discovered that billion-dollar companies don't know how their own teams communicate, to the lunch table experiment that changed programmer productivity by 20%, Ben brings 15 years of behavioral data to challenge ev...
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Episode 34 | You're the Weak Link Now | The Bottleneck Has Shifted From Your AI to You

March 20, 2026 • 57 mins
Our guest had to cancel (get well soon, Ankur!). So instead of the episode we planned, you're getting something better — us, unfiltered, on everything that's been consuming our lives for the past month. Amy has 100+ hours of vibe coding under her belt and has things to say. Meg has been reading Dan Heath's Reset and watching Jason Lemkin slowly become the worst worker on his own team. And together we've landed on a thesis that mi...
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Episode 33 | Marc Coleman on Why Nobody Has Budget for Theory Anymore

March 13, 2026 • 51 mins
UNLEASH founder and CEO Marc Coleman joins Amy and Meg for a conversation about what 5,000 HR leaders actually need right now — not in theory, in practice. From launching a disastrous first conference with tangled lanyards and no sleep to building one of the world's largest HR technology events, Marc shares how he reads market signals, why he shifted from benefit-led to decision-led content, and the L'Oréal "journey book” that chan...
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Episode 32 | Kim Scott on Radical Candor, Courage, and Leading When Nobody Has Answers

March 6, 2026 • 64 mins
Radical Candor author Kim Scott joins Amy and Meg for one of the most candid conversations about leadership, courage, and what it really means to care in an era of AI disruption and rising authoritarianism. From managing diamond cutters in the Soviet Union to coaching CEOs at Google, Apple, and Twitter, Kim shares the personal stories behind her frameworks — including the moment a colleague's feedback made her rethink everything an...
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Episode 31 | Five Major Threads Shaping the Future | Season 2 Kickoff

February 27, 2026 • 58 mins
We're back! In our Season 2 opener, we dig into everything that's happened since we wrapped Season 1 — and there's a LOT. Amy's been vibe coding an app for her mom (with a full AI development team), Meg's been having her brain broken by AI agents, and the business landscape has shifted dramatically. We introduce five interlocking threads that will guide Season 2 — think of them as a rope, not a listicle — covering the SaaSpocalyps...
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Episode 30 | WAR STORIES: The Corporate Scars That Made Us Stronger | Season 1 Finale

December 26, 2025 • 96 mins
Amy and Meg get brutally honest about the toxic workplace archetypes every leader faces - and share the real stories that shaped their careers. This isn't just storytelling; it's a masterclass in pattern recognition, strategic response, and hard-earned wisdom. These are REAL experiences from two executives who've navigated decades in corporate America. We're not just sharing war stories - we're breaking down what was actually ha...
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Episode 29 | Jason Averbook on 4 Forces Reshaping Work: Why AI Transformation Isn't About Technology

December 19, 2025 • 55 mins
🚀 Jason Averbook reveals the 4 forces creating the biggest change HR has ever seen—and why 95% of AI projects are failing. This isn't about technology; it's about trust, engagement, and fundamentally rethinking how work gets done. ⚡ THE 4 FORCES RESHAPING WORK: 1. Engagement is slipping (trust in companies at all-time lows) 2. Jobs and skills are changing rapidly 3. Early career on-ramp is broken 4. AI is being pushed into unp...
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Episode 28 | HR Tech's Top Analyst John Sumser: AI Reality, Career Reinvention & What's Broken in HR

December 12, 2025 • 52 mins
🚀 FROM FOOD CRITIC TO KITCHEN: John Sumser, HR tech's leading independent analyst for over 20 years, reveals what happens when you step from the sidelines into operations—and why most of what we believe about AI, HR, and career success is wrong. Learn how to navigate uncertainty as opportunity, why "I don't know" is the most powerful thing a leader can say, and what the next 5 years hold for HR in this candid conversation about tr...
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Episode 27 | Your Share of the Profits: Scott Santens on Why UBI Is Obvious, Not Radical

December 5, 2025 • 69 mins
Finland – Universal Basic Income Pilot🚀 THE CASE FOR GIVING PEOPLE MONEY: UBI expert Scott Santens reveals why the most radical idea in economics might be the simplest - just give people cash. Discover how Alaska has proven this works for 40+ years, why his crowdfunded basic income changed everything he thought about work, and what happens when we shift from survival mode to abundance thinking. ⏰ TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 Introduction:...
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Episode 26 | From Scarcity to Abundance: How Childhood Shaped Our Leadership Styles

November 21, 2025 • 58 mins
🔄 What happens when two leaders with completely different upbringings join forces? In this deeply personal episode, Amy and Meg explore how their vastly different childhoods - one marked by stability and support, the other by constant change and scarcity - shaped their leadership styles, decision-making approaches, and the way they navigate challenges today. ⏰ TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 Introduction & Banter including Meg's Vietnam trav...
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Episode 25 | Maksim Ovsyannikov, CPO SugarCRM - Building The Product Org That Doesn't Exist Yet

November 20, 2025 • 60 mins
What would you build if you were creating a product organization from scratch in 2030? SugarCRM Chief Product Officer Maksim Ovsyannikov joins Amy and Meg to explore how AI is fundamentally reshaping product development, design thinking, and organizational structures. From "very little user experience" as a value proposition to why QA is more critical than ever in probabilistic systems, this conversation challenges everything yo...
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Episode 24 | 24 Episodes of Learning: Our AI Transformation Framework for Getting Ahead

November 7, 2025 • 57 mins
🚀 After 24 episodes and conversations with 20+ transformation leaders, Amy reveals the AI Transformation Maturity Model that synthesizes everything we've learned. Discover how to get ahead of AI transformation instead of being a victim of change, why this moment offers the biggest career opportunity in decades, and how to build the change agility that separates thriving organizations from struggling ones. This episode weaves toge...
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Episode 23 | The Explorer CEO: Yamini Rangan on Inventing the AI-First Operating Model at HubSpot

October 31, 2025 • 71 mins
🚀 INVENTING THE AI-FIRST OPERATING MODEL: HubSpot CEO Yamini Rangan reveals how she completely scrapped her $40B company's roadmap and rebuilt it AI-first. Learn how to pivot from volume to conversion, navigate the decline of SEO, and lead transformation when no one has the answers. ⏰ TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 Introduction: From Reading Every Book in the Library to CEO 05:00 Moving to the US: The Airport Story and Finding Her Voice 15:...
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Episode 22 | Dr. Kirstin Ferguson on The Curse of Expertise in the AI Age

October 17, 2025 • 62 mins
🚀 Why "I Don't Know Yet" Is the Most Valuable Leadership Skill in the AI Age: Dr. Kirstin Ferguson reveals how expertise becomes your biggest enemy and why intellectual humility beats certainty every time. ⏰ TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 Introduction & Antarctica Adventures 02:06 Welcome to Dr. Kirstin Ferguson 04:38 Why Travel Reduces Blindspots 05:49 The UK Post Office Scandal: When "The Computer Is Always Right" 08:44 How Success Becomes ...
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Episode 21 | Female Leadership in a World Built for Men

October 10, 2025 • 55 mins
🚀 BREAKING OUT OF THE DEFAULT MALE WORLD: Meg and Amy reveal the hidden challenges of female leadership in a world designed by and for men. Learn how to navigate bias, own your power, and redefine what leadership looks like in the AI era in this raw and empowering conversation. ⏰ TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 Introduction to Female Leadership Challenges 05:55 WNBA Success and Equal Pay Movement 07:06 Fiji Simo's Historic OpenAI Appointment 0...
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Episode 20 | Angela Le Mathon: Speaking the Language of Business – From Skills to AI ROI

October 3, 2025 • 60 mins
Angela Le Mathon reveals how HR leaders can move beyond the "skills data trap" to drive real business outcomes with AI. Learn how to speak the language of business, avoid the employee experience trap, and design AI-native organizations in this thought-provoking conversation on business transformation and leadership. **🔑 KEY INSIGHTS:** Skills data works for talent marketplaces but doesn't drive business outcomes HR must ...
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Episode 19 | Seth Wylie: Stop Training, Start Harvesting – The Grassroots AI Revolution

September 26, 2025 • 55 mins
🌐 Most companies are approaching AI adoption backwards. While executives push top-down strategies, the real innovation is happening in the trenches. Seth Wylie reveals why successful AI transformation starts with the people already experimenting - not training programs or executive mandates. **🔑 KEY INSIGHTS:** - Why mandatory AI training kills experimentation before it starts - The one question that gets everyone talking: ...
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Episode 18 | Sangeet Paul Choudary: The Winning AI Strategy – Reshuffling Systems, Not Adding Smarts

September 19, 2025 • 65 mins
Meg and Amy welcome Sangeet Paul Choudary, author of Reshuffle. Their discussion explores how companies must evolve beyond traditional operating models to embrace structural change. Sangeet highlights the often-overlooked role of coordination costs in organizations, how AI can help manage these costs, and why rethinking business models is central to AI transformation. He also shares insights on creating structural optionality and r...
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Episode 17 | Angie Mercado: Finding the Joy in Fitness

September 12, 2025 • 62 mins
This week on The Meg & Amy Show, Meg and Amy welcome fitness expert and wellness coach Angie Mercado. Angie shares her decades of experience helping women find joy in movement, balance demanding lives, and stay consistent with their health goals even when work, travel, and family make it difficult.The conversation explores breaking free from the “one-hour workout” mindset, strategies for staying fit while traveling, the importance ...
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