February 18, 2025 • 40 mins
Brian & Jason talk about who is more delusional, Draymond Green or Dak Prescott, the latest on the Richie Incognito bullying story, a theory as to why All-Star Games across all sports have lost their luster, and more!
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Speaker 3 (00:35):
Oh what is going on? I hope you having a
fantastic Tuesday. Here we will get to who is more drunk?
Is that proper English fits? Is it?
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Who's drunker?
Speaker 5 (00:44):
Or?
Speaker 3 (00:44):
I like, who's more drunk? I don't know if that's
correct or not, but it sounds better to me.
Speaker 5 (00:49):
The rule on proper English is simple, say it definitively
and we'll all buy it. So yeah, I think, however
you say it, as long as you say it with
your chest, we'll all come along with it.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Okay, Ye, let's try this, Who's more drunk?
Speaker 4 (01:02):
How's that?
Speaker 5 (01:04):
That? Felt good? That's good? It's good? Felt right?
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In this quarner, we have Dak Prescott who made these
statements recently about the Cowboys and the Eagles.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Check them out to refresh your memory.
Speaker 5 (01:31):
I feel like we.
Speaker 6 (01:32):
Compete with the Eagles and beat them for the most
part from when we played them on I don't want
to say, check director one.
Speaker 5 (01:37):
Another guy's holding the trophy right now.
Speaker 6 (01:39):
Credit to them, they've earned and they deserved it by
all means.
Speaker 5 (01:42):
But very cool.
Speaker 6 (01:42):
Especially you even watched the NFC game, the NFC Championship,
and those two teams, teams that that we battle against
each and every year a couple of times, and as
I said, feel confident about we've gotten the better part
each and every time. To see them, to see in
a such a dominating fashion, credit to them. It's our
turning this on us.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Okay Cowboys very close to the Eagles, fits in this corner.
The challenger Draymond Green, Okay High hopes for.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
The Warriors this season. Here's what he had to say
on d n D.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
We're going to win the championship. Say that one more
time so that everybody hear you my earpiece because they
added Jimmy Bullert the third sonyone.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
I'm sorry I said I think we're going to win
a championship.
Speaker 5 (02:25):
But I lie, we are going to win the champion Wow.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Who all right? That is solid competition right there, fits
I let you have first Dibbs. Is Dak Prescott more
drunk or is it Draymond Green?
Speaker 4 (02:42):
With their statements right there, who would you go with?
Speaker 5 (02:44):
Well? I think what Draymond forgot to just say at
the end of his statement is on two K like
cause obviously he was talking about the video game version
of basketball, and maybe there he stands a chance. Like
I know, we we love and obsess over players and
brands that we know in the NBA we always have,
right and I get that this is the way we
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treat everything in the NBA, and to a detriment, everything
in the NBA becomes well until we see it in
the playoffs, it doesn't count. And then once it starts
in the playoffs, well until it results in the championship,
it doesn't count. And by belittling everything that happens during
the course of the entire journey to get there, we
sort of minimize teams like Oklahoma City, We minimize teams
like Memphis because it's easy to turn around and say, well,
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got to see it, you know, let's see how it
looks in the playoffs, and it'll become that conversation again,
don't want to face Golden State. You know they've gotten
everything right by the end of the year. We do
this all the time, and you know, I laugh about
it because, frankly, we're just so busy downplaying what we
don't want from NBA teams and then playing up what
we do want, which is just certain brands. You know,
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it's laughable. It's laughable to me. So let's just be
very clear. Golden State is not currently better than Oklahoma City,
Golden State is not currently better than Memphis, and Golden
State sure as hell isn't currently better than Denver. So
if your argument is well, I got to see it
in the playoffs, the Nuggets are over here saying hold
my beer, right, Like, how many times we have to
show you how bored are you gonna be yet again
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when the Nuggets going to run. So you know, but
this is an okayc team that they've only lost ten games,
ten games all year long, and we're gonna sit here
and try and put the Warriors in the NBA fight
Like that's not good for anybody. It's just so. I
think that Draymond must have been talking about the video
game version of basketball. Otherwise Draymond's more drunk.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
I agree. I think it is Draymond because the Warriors,
I really want to say, they have no shot, but
I'll give them the legal limit. Okay, I'll give them
point zero eight percent shot. That's what they have, right, Like,
could the craziest of crazy things happen and Sga gets
hurt and Jokic gets hurt and what maybe maybe as
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I'll give them, like any idiot, chance to win a championship,
even though realistically they don't even have that because what
the would have to happen? The planets would have to
align perfectly for them to win a championship. They just
don't have the depth. I watch the NBA every day
fits I love the NBA, and I'm watching teams as
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deep as Okay, see their record is what it is
without dudes like chet Holmgren has been hurt for most
of the season.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
You know, Hartenstein has missed a.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Lot of time, and they've still been rattling off wins
at like a sixty five win pace and they're not
even fully healthy. This isn't college basketball, where it's forty minutes,
there's a three point line and almost anything can happen
in one game. This is a best of seven series.
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You're not going to beat a team that's better than you,
like in high end talent, has way more depth than you.
You're not beating that team if you're the Warriors in
a seven game series, if you're going up against OKC,
it's not happening. So I don't know what that was.
That was like a LeVar Ball moment, trying to speak
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it into existence or what, But that was kind of
the equivalent of I took down Jordan one on one.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
You know, it's the Warriors gonna win it all this season.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
No, they're not. They have a better chance of not
making the playoffs at all than they do of winning
a championship.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
That's true.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
I mean, they're barely above five hundred at this point,
and to your point. And I think the best of
seven part of this is an important portion of it
because NBA playoff basketball is all about matchups, and I
know that we talk about it all the time when
we start to get to June, but when you start
talking about best of seven, you're talking about you gotta
do this over and over and over again. And to
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win a championship, you're gonna have to get through not
just in Oklahoma City, but also probably a team like
a Denver. And if all of that breaks your way
and you get through all of that, you're likely to
take on what you know, let's say, if you like
teams would have been there before, you're likely gonna end
up having to take on the Celtics, if you like
a new budget, taking on the Calves, maybe the Knicks,
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and what would be spectacular? Right, So you start thinking
about what that requirement is from a best to seven standpoint,
and that's where again I just I sort of roll
my eyes to the concept of a team coming from
out of nowhere. This isn't the NHL where you got
a hot goalie, and if you got a hot goalie,
you can suddenly make your way through the entire Stanley
Cup playoff like it doesn't work that way in the NBA.
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So yeah, I think part of this for the Cowboys
standpoint because he asked me the question of who's more
drunk here. Any given Sunday, you can get go on
a run, things can get hot, and if you're the Cowboys,
yes you're coming off a rough year. But the one
thing that we know is that more often than not,
the Cowboys are at least in contention. Right, So you've
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got a team that more often than not wins double
digit games and more often than not finds themselves in
the conversation. At least I can put together a really
fuzzy way that you know, I can find Dak's math
because one game you never know. I can't find the
same for the Warriors. It's just it's pure concept, and
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I think the Warriors are a lot like what I
found myself yelling and screaming a couple of years ago
about the Lakers, when the Lakers were in the playing
conversation and everybody was trying to convince us that that
meant that they stood a real chance at going to
the NBA Final, and they just they didn't. They didn't.
Then the Warriors don't. Now it's a cute story, but
it's not. Actually, there's just no reality to it. Right.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
How about the Cowboys aspect of this, where if you
dive to that storyline with Dak on one hand, you
could look at it and say, hey, the Cowboys Dak
Prescott was unhealthy, he was already hurt. He didn't play
against the Eagles in either of those blowout losses this
past season. So if you just for the heck of it,
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look at the recent seasons. So the year prior, both
teams split, Like the Cowboys won one game, Eagles won
the other game. The previous season to that same thing,
they split, and so you could look at this and say, Okay,
I mean maybe he's got a leg to stand on
with the injury issues and the Cowboys had a down
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year and it was absolutely tied to that. But really
fits if you think about how quickly things change in
the NFL, just look at that division. Look how much
things have changed for the Commanders. They go from a
four to thirteen team to twelve and five this past
season and they're in the NFC Championship game. You know,
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like things can change dramatically in one year. Look at
the Eagles. The Eagles were a second place team the
previous year, Cowboys won the division. But this past season
they're fourteen and three, won a Super Bowl. They picked
up Saquon Barkley like they're cooking with grease. That's a
lot different than where they were even the previous seas.
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So I don't think it makes a whole lot of
sense to look at the twenty twenty three twenty twenty
two results, go back to twenty one. We got to
go by the here and now it was this past
season and projecting forward to the next one. He's got
Brian Schottenheimer as your new head coach. You know, I
think you once were very close to the Eagles. I
don't think right now the Cowboys are very close. But
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not as bad of a statement in my mind as
Draymond's statement. But what do you think about what Dak
had to say about the Cowboys and Eagles.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
Look, you're you're absolutely right, and I was wrong on
the wheels falling off the Cowboys this year. But I
will say this about Jerry Jones. Think about what Jerry
Jones does as an owner and how he hires, and
go back and look at the Cowboys year by year record.
If you look year by year, they haven't had back
to back losing seasons since two thousand and one and
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two thousand and two. They had three straight bad seasons
two thousand and two and five and eleven. Each of
those years, that's the last time the Cowboys had backed
back losing seasons. Wow. Jerry Jones, who we give so
much grief to because you know, the expectation, for some
reason for the Cowboys' championships, And I still think that's
kind of stupid. I mean, every time Cowboys fans say
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we haven't won a Super Bowl since the nineties, I say,
hold my beer. There's a ton of teams that haven't
won a Super Bowl since the nineties, Like, you're not special.
But what I do think here is that when we
talk about what Jerry Jones is capable of doing, Jerry
Jones is actually really capable of finding competent head coaches,
maybe not super Bowl winning head coaches. That's certainly part
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of the legacy we can talk about. But over the
course of since Dave Campo was fired, I can't believe
I went all the way back to Dave Campo. Bill
Parcells obviously had some success Wade Phillips had some success,
Jason Garrett had some success, Mike McCarthy had some success.
Nobody thought it was enough because they are the Cowboys.
But when you look at who he hires, you're talking
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about a team that consistently has double digit wins and
is consistently in the conversation as one of the better
in the NFC, and then they don't win the Super Bowl.
So to me, I think it's pretty reasonable to say, hey,
Jerry Jones is not Mark Davis. He doesn't have thirty
one head coaches in the last or sorry, fifteen coaches
head coaches in the last thirty one years. That's a
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real number for the Raiders. Fifteen head coaches in thirty
one years. That's not how Jerry Jones does things. So like,
I think Jerry probably found himself a pretty good coach.
It's gonna make the team pretty good, and Cowboys fans
are gonna be angry that they're just pretty good because
that's what they are every single time.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
What is that for the Raiders? Fifteen head coaches in
the last thirty one years?
Speaker 5 (12:36):
Fifteen full time. I'm not counting interim, not even interim,
not even interim fifteen full time head coaches hired in
the last thirty one years. So when anyone says, oh
my god, Pete Carroll might only make it three years
because of his age, I laugh and I'm like, well,
that's better than the average, Like what are we talking about,
Like that's longer than most coaches make it. For the Raiders,
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it's it's been gross. Gross.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
That is really gross. Man. I didn't realize it was
that bad. Like you start comparing it to say a team,
like a franchise like the Steelers, they've had two head
coaches in the last thirty one years, you know what
I mean? Like three head coaches in the last how
long fits like forty plus fifty plus or something like that,
with Tomlin and Kower and Noel.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
Like that's crazy when you start looking at it.
Speaker 5 (13:22):
And that's why, man, Like, that's why we have to
just at some point everybody has to start putting their
logic hat on. When you're watching people yell at each
other on TV about who's going to get fired, stop
thinking emotionally about what you're listening to, and then just
ask yourself, logically, what does this franchise actually usually do?
How does this franchise actually do business. Like every time
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they sit here and yell that Jerry Jones is gonna
fire somebody, I laugh because Jerry Jones hasn't been that
guy since the nineties. He's been a wildly patient owner
that gives teams, gives coaches multiple years to get it right.
He's been consistent in that over and over and over again,
and guess what, more often than not, his teams have
won enough games to consistently be in that conversation. So,
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you know, I think we got the Steelers great example.
Every time someone's like, oh, they're going to move on
from Mike Tomlin, really pull your head out of your
rear end, Like what indication have the Steelers ever given
us that they're gonna move on from their head coach,
not fans, the actual organization, and the organization is patient
and the organization is calm. So like, I just just
we need to change the way we consume talking heads
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and start listening with the logical mindset on what organizations
actually do.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
That's a good point.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
I like that you kind of flipped it on the Cowboys,
especially because that's all anyone has really talked about is
they haven't won a super Bowl since the mid nineties.
But I like that stat of not having back to
back losing seasons since the early two thousands because no
one really talks about that where I think it's and
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there's some truth to it, like they've gotten to such
they've gotten to such a status, like they've reached a
level where it's show us the rings, you know, show
us the playoffs success. But to your point, what's often
overlooked is they've been more consistent winning wise than they've
been given credit for because we're just looking at where's
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the deep playoff run?
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Where the rings? What's up of that?
Speaker 3 (15:21):
You know, but turning out winning seasons at least puts
you in the range of doing that.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
It's just you got to have the deep playoff runs.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
But it's often overlooked that they have done a lot
of winning along the way. It's just not the ultimate
wins that have come.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
And real quick, I'll say this, because you mentioned range,
I think that's what we should be rooting for. Its proximity.
Are you in the range where you are contrectful of
winning a championship? Because again, we need a word other
than sucks like the Dallas Cowboys. I'm sorry they don't suck. Yeah, Like,
I'm a Raiders fan. I've seen eleven winning seasons in
the last forty years, eleven and forty eleven times my
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favorite two. There's one more games than they've lost in
the last forty years. So like that sucks. The Cowboys
consistently win double digit games and they're constantly in the
conversation of one of the better teams in the NFC.
Maybe that's not Super Bowls, I get it, but that's
not suck. There's got to be a different word for it. Like,
there's got to be a word for a team that's
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pretty darn good most years but frustrates their fans because
they just don't win championships during that window. I don't
know what that word is, but it's not sucks. Man.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Yeah, that's true. And that's man. That's a dose of reality,
isn't it. Where you're like, it's a great point, well
laid out by you, but it's essentially you whittle it down.
It's you think that sucks. Oh, I know suck, all right,
I'm a Raiders fan. I am well aware of what
suck truly means. You know, that's.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
Roughly what does a Browns fan feel every time a
Cowboys fans like, we haven't worn a Super Bowl since
the nineties. Really, what does a Bills fan sitting here
saying to that you haven't won one since the nineties
kissed my butt?
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Yeah, my god, they'd give you fa and arms for
Super Bowl in the in the mid nineties, you.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
Know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Like?
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Nothing nothing over there, all right? Uh, He's Jason Fitz.
I'm Brian No. We're in for two pros and a
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Speaker 3 (17:36):
He's Jason Fitz. I'm Brian No. We're in for two
pros and a cup of Joe right here on Fox
Sports Radio, coming to you live from the Tirack dot
Com studios. You know, Fitz, I gotta tell you something here, man,
because you're a music guy, you would love this. So
one of my buddies here. I'm in South Bend right now.
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Unfortunately I have to go to a funeral today for
my uncle. Yeah, thank you man, my uncle Jerry. The
visitation was last night, the funeral is this morning. It's brutal,
but and it's outside, man, it fits today. Guess what
the temperature here is right now? Take a wild guest.
Speaker 5 (18:17):
I can't imagine. It's gotta be cold. It's just I mean,
I'm in Connecticut and it's freezing, so I can't imagine.
What were we in the twenties.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
We're talking six that that's the temperature right now. It's six.
It's gonna be cold outside here today, man. But anyway,
the one positive thing since being home. I went to
go see one of my buddies the other night, my
good friend Jay, and he said, look, man, we got
this text thread going a few of us and we
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used to do two really good bands and you have
to pick which band is better. And he said, I
thought it'd be funnier if you pick two bad bands, right,
and you have to make an argument which band is better.
And it just popped into my head when Loraina who
does a fantastic job.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
She's just playing a terrible song.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
There for a second, Like, if you took two bad
songs and you have to make a strong argument for
one of the two bad songs being better than the other,
what do you think about that?
Speaker 4 (19:15):
That could be very funny.
Speaker 5 (19:16):
I think, yeah, look, that's a great idea. I and
having to die in the hill of whichever song we
all know sucks. But the hardest part about, you know,
music with some of this is just sometimes bad songs
make huge impacts, right, Oh yeah, so you know what
do you do?
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Like?
Speaker 5 (19:36):
You know, it's it's the whole concept of timeless music
versus just making a song that just resonates with the generation.
And that's one of the confusions I think I've always
had her one of the complications I should say I've
always had when it comes to my Grammy vote. You know,
over the years that I've voted, It's always interesting to
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me when you sit there and say, well, this song
resonated with this like twenty years when they play, you know,
the greatest hits for the high school graduating class of
twenty eighteen, whatever, like these Taylor Swift songs are going
to resonate. So even if you don't love Taylor Swift,
I still have to respect that, Like I respect the
hell out of that, right. So, you know, the greatest
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example to me in the world is LMFAO, a band
that you know, obviously they had some pretty terrible songs,
but everybody, everybody remembers LMFAO, and I cannot imagine what
it is like considering the fact that they are related
to Barry Gordy, who founded Motown Records and is one
of the most important people in music history. So you
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got to sit at the Thanksgiving table with you know,
your grandpa, Barry Gordy, who's a you know out here,
your dad out here, that's Barry Gordy, and then you
got to look him in the eye knowing that you
did shot shot shot shot, like that's what you're known for,
you know. I just I don't know how to make
all that work, Like I don't you know, I don't
know how to make all of that work. It was
it's just the thought of like, you're a party rock
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band and you're, you know, in the same family as
one of the most influential people in music history.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Okay, I like this, So if we go a step further.
If you think of just any any hit off the
top of your head that you would say that's actually
a bad song. Is there anything else besides LMFAO that
comes to mind?
Speaker 5 (21:22):
I mean a lot like man, I feel like the
entire era. And look, I say this. I say this
gently because you know, as I've reminded people repeatedly, we
live in this weird world where if you are a
one hit wonder, people use that as a reason why
again you suck. And I've always thought, god, like, it's
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crazy to me to think that, oh, all you had
was one hit, and so that suddenly means that you're terrible, right, right, right?
I don't know. I struggle with that so admittedly, But
this is also so like so I was. I saw
an Instagram post the other day that came up that
was like Rolling Owes worst songs of the nineteen eighties,
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and they had like we Built the City as one
of the worst ten songs. And I love that song.
I think it's great. I think it's great. So you know,
I don't know, maybe I'm the wrong judge because I
do love some shallow pop. I mean, I don't know, it's.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
An interesting thought. Yeah, Now it's true, Like there are
a lot of bands that it's kind of like wide receivers, right,
Like you you might not be a number one receiver,
but your your band is like you got a bunch
of number three receiver songs, you know, yeah, a lot
of like maybe a couple of number two receiver songs
pretty good, but you don't have that smash hit that
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you know, top five wide receiver if you will, Which
would you rather have? Would you rather be a band
that has a mega hit and that's all just one
mega hit?
Speaker 4 (22:48):
Or would you rather be a.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Band that has like a lot of solid B side songs,
like really good songs, a catalog of B side songs,
but not one hit?
Speaker 4 (22:58):
Which would you rather be? Honestly?
Speaker 5 (23:00):
I mean for me, I'd rather take the massive hit, like, yeah,
I would rather And look and I laugh again because
my god, it's not an insult to me. But I
look around and certainly from all my year's tour and
If I Die Young was the biggest hit for the
Van Perio, And you know, I look back at that
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period of my life with tremendous honor and respect that
I even got to be part of something that turned
out to be a massive song. The funny thing is
again that that's oft Oftentimes you know, you look back
and it's like, well, one hit. Wonder if f I
young as the song everybody knows I think we had
six number ones in country music. Oh wow, if five
or six number ones in country music. But so often,
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like if it doesn't cross over, people don't realize it,
you know what I mean, So like if it's not
on your you know, radar, and then you know, it's
just it, it slips away. So I don't know, to
me it is. It's funny because I when I was touring,
I never got the golden platinum plaques. I guess thought
that was so self aggrandizing. And then when I got
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out of the business of touring, I went back and
got him. And the very first record that I ever
had my name in a long time ago was a
Billy Gilman Christmas record. And I laugh every time. I like,
Billy Gilman was not a great artist, and Billy Gilman's
Christmas record, Like I was embarrassed at the time that
I was like, yeah, I finally got my name in
a record and it's a Billy Gilman Christmas record. Now
I look back like it's one of the blacks that
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hangs on my wall, like it's a yeah, I say,
Christmas record that went gold, and I'm like, who would
have ever? So I do think, you know, it's it's
all relative. It's amazing again, like we applied this concept
of well that artist sucks, and it's like, I don't know,
if you sold half a million records at any point
in your life, you did something, right.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
Yeah it's pretty good.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
Yeah, yeah, he didretty good. He did the dang thing.
So there you go.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
It's better than the dude that sold none. You know,
that's a lot better like that. Oh, it's usually it never.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
Got a record deal, like like somebody sits there that's
just never. And this is the funniest thing I say
all the time when people come back at any of
us and say, well, I don't want you to talk
about sports unless you were the highest accomplishing athlete in
the history of the world. I laugh about constantly. I'm like, okay, cool.
If that's the standard we're going to put across the board,
then I no longer want to hear anyone ever talk
(25:13):
about music that doesn't have at least a multi platinum right,
And if you've never run a successful restaurant, your food
opinions are no longer right. Right? How many movies have
you directed? Because if the answer zero, I don't want
to hear you talk about like it's funny that we
put this arbitrary assignment on sports of like, well, you
weren't an NFL quarterback, so I don't want to hear
(25:34):
you talk about quarterbacks. And I laugh at that because
we don't apply that to any other Like Frankly, if
you've never sat there and run traffic in an intersection,
you probably shouldn't judge somebody that runs a red light
because well.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Think about think about how many opinions on politics are
out there. Oh, most people have never done anything politically.
Speaker 5 (25:54):
Well, people can't pass a basic Civics class, and we're
over here like it is one of my favorite exercises
to do. In general, I was lucky I moved around
so much as a kid. I lived all over the country.
I wouldn't change that experience for anything. But when I
was on the tour bus, it was funny one time
that everybody was sitting there making fun of one of
those are you smarter than a fifth grader type shows
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because everybody was convinced that they knew every state in
the US and where it is. So I did, you know,
being the jerk that I am, while everybody was at soundcheck,
I had our tour manager print maps that didn't have
any of the states. Yeah, and I just set them
down in front of everybody. I'm like, all, go ahead,
go ahead, fill out the map. Not a single person
on any of those tour buses found out like everybody
(26:36):
as a whole. Like if you don't know New England,
well you get tripped up in New England. Yeah, like Montana,
well you get tripped up over in that, Like everybody has.
So the very people that are sitting here yelling and
screaming on social media about all of these political things,
like they know I'm sitting there and I'm like, man,
I don't know. If I gave you a basic fifty
question civics test, do you think you could really pass
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it right now? And if the answer is no, maybe
that should be the new line in the sand. Make
everybody pass a test before we get to comment on something.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
I like it. I love that. Maybe we put that
into action right there? All right? It is two pros
and a cup of Joe. He's Jason Fitz. I'm Brian
know we're in for the guys here on Fox Sports Radio.
Let me throw a story. You were talking about civics.
It makes me think of civic. I wouldn't think of
Richie in Cognito as like a civic guy, right, But
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this story, I'm just so curious what you think about it.
So I'll give you the cliffs Notes version. Everybody listening.
So Richie and Cognito, you go all the way back
to twenty thirteen. He was accused of bullying his teammate
at the time, Jonathan Martin. They both played for the
Miami Dolphins. There was a full blown investigation, there was
(27:48):
a Wells report, All of this stuff came out, and
people were convinced that Richie in Cognito bullied Jonathan Martin.
So you fast forward to the here and now. Within
this last week, ESPN has done a story on Jonathan Martin,
and Jonathan Martin says, no, I was never bullied, and
(28:08):
so Richie Incognito comes off the top rope here fits
and is like, oh, I'm exonerated. I never bullied anybody. Hey,
Adam schafter you tried to ruin my life. It was
total bs what you were reporting, so forth and so on,
and so there was a little voicemail that was a
part of this story from twenty thirteen, and just a
(28:31):
little small portion of this here fits when we're trying
to figure out, hey, hey did Richie in cognito? Was
he a bit of a bully?
Speaker 5 (28:38):
Here?
Speaker 3 (28:39):
On this voicemail from Incognito to Jonathan Martin, Incognito says, hey,
what's up you half n word piece of s It
goes on from there, I'm going to slap your real
mother in the face. F you you're still a rookie,
I'll kill you his funny foot on this voicemail, and
he has the to go on social media and be like,
(29:03):
not'm free, never was a bully. It's it's official. Jonathan
Martin says, I was never a bully. Long story short.
Martin says his parents were really pushing this, like, hey,
Incognito is a bully, and Jonathan Martin says, that's not
what I did. I just think he doesn't want to
be known as the guy who was like he bullied me,
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and he's trying to spin it right now. I don't
believe for a second that Richie Incognito was never a
bully ever in his life, especially in the NFL. That
is ridiculous. But so many people are coming to his defense,
and it's like, sue him, sue him, Richie. I think
it's so ridiculous that Incognito is posing as like this,
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I don't know, like brotherly.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
Father figure or something like that.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Come on, man, Like, if you believe Incognito never bullied anybody,
I don't know what's in your brain right now.
Speaker 5 (29:56):
I also think, you know, we talk about the communal
mindset of so many people, the concept of suing for slander,
and how often people just yell and scream. That shows
you how few people have ever been involved in legal
cases around slander. Yeah, because for anyone that doesn't know,
the legal line on slander is actually pretty difficult to prove.
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And you have to knowingly spread information that was knowingly
again false, with the specific intent of detriment to somebody's
character or reputation. So in order to sue somebody that
writes an article, you would have to actually prove that
that person had information that was not publicly known. That's
one step of it. They knew that that information was false.
(30:41):
And they spread that information specifically to hurt somebody. That
is a legal line that is really difficult. So every
time somebody is like go out there and sue, I
just laugh. It's like, Okay, there's a reason that it's
not that simple. That being said, there's only one or
two answers for incognito. Either you were a bully, and
you know, frankly, I think if you were a bully,
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that this would be a pretty good time for you
to come back and say, hey, I'm not proud of
the tone that I had, like I've grown. Either you're
a bully or you're just an ass, Like yeah, and
you're the biggest of biggest of biggest of jerks with
everything that you've done. Like, if you want to turn
around and say I was not a bully, you still
have to acknowledge that those voicemails were just right, and
(31:23):
you look like a trash person from the way that
those voicemails come across. Maybe you weren't bullying him. Maybe
that's your locker room speak and that's how you want
to bury everything. But like, frankly, just listen to the
voicemail and you're reminded that it at the very least.
You are just a massive, massive jerk. And that's the
complication on all of it. Like, if you're Richie incognito,
(31:44):
I understand you want to clear your name. I'm just
not sure that you can clear your name without some
level of Hey. If he comes out in this exact
moment and says none of I'm not proud of who
I was, then yeah, like I could have handled that
so much of that better. I didn't bully him, but
I learned from the process of how to be a
better human being. I think in a forgiving society, we'd
(32:05):
all be turning around saying, oh shucks, man like that
that's really cool, you know, cool for him. That's not that.
Tony's taken. He's taking this. I don't want to talk
about this anymore. But also I want everybody to apologize
to me. And this is tough, man, Like I say,
this is again. I grew up a fat kid that
play the violin. The nicest thing that anybody wrote in
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my sixth grade yearbook when I moved across country was
go home, Like, I understand what it was like to
be bullied, and I think, frankly, for me, I've always
looked at it and said, man, it made me tough
like I am who I am today because I learned
how to fit in in different rooms, in different classrooms
all across the country, because we moved around so much.
Like these are things that like I actually think sometimes
(32:46):
I look back in my life and as tough as
my childhood was, for some of that, it helped make
me a better adult. So I think that there's lessons
we can learn from all of it. I say that
like saying that, hey, you got to go through this stuff,
and Jonathan Martin could come out at this point and say, hey,
I could have done this better. I could have done
this better. I learned this from this, Like everybody involved
(33:07):
in this could take the high road, and it just
feels like nobody's doing that.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Well. Yeah, and I like what you said, where if
Incognito came out and said something that was a lot
easier to buy, like what you laid out, if he
came out and said, hey, look, man, I'm not proud
of the things that I said.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
I could have done a better job.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
And maybe something like it is a part of the culture,
you know, like looking back, we are a little bit
too tough on rookies at times and reading these words
back to me, I'm like, whoa, that came out of
my mind right, Like that's easier to believe, that's easier
to buy. But if he's basically like, see, I told
you this was all about nothing, I'm guilt free baby, Like,
(33:49):
it's like, come on, dude, all of a sudden, Richie
Incognito is like an altar boy, what are we doing here?
Speaker 4 (33:55):
You know, you just can't buy what he's selling.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
So that part of it is, don't try to sell
me something that's just not believable at all, And that's
essentially what he's doing. The other part of this is
when he's coming after the media. Look, a lot of
people listening will think if you're a part of the media,
you'll stick up for fellow media members. Is if there's
a creed, there's like an oath you take. It's not
like that at all. If the media does or says
(34:21):
something dumb, I'm gonna be the first one to tell
you that. But if Adam Schefter back in twenty thirteen
is reporting like, hey, there was this Wells report, here
are the findings, doesn't look good for Richie Incognito. He's
not trying to ruin Richie Incognito's life. You know what
I'm saying, right, But Richie Incognito is saying that, like
(34:42):
you tried to ruin my life with this BS. It's like, no, false,
He's just reporting what the Wells investigation found out about
this whole bullying scandal. That's not trying to ruin your life.
That's just reporting news. That's all that happened here. So
I don't buy that part of what incog Anita was
selling either.
Speaker 5 (35:01):
No, And look, I think we have to understand the
confirmation bias is real. Like sometimes you come into something
and you read the reports, you hear the voicemail makes
you feel a certain way, and you write and report
based on how you feel with that. That's just the
human part of what reporting looks like. And I'm certainly
not a journalist, but you know, journalists have impacted my
(35:22):
entire life, my entire career, and you know that's just
part of what you have to deal with. I don't
believe that everybody that ever wrote a bad review of
one of my projects suddenly had it out for me. Right,
just means it like people see things differently and that
that's just part of their right if you're you know,
if Rolling Stone thinks that my project sucks, that's just
you know, that's part of life. You just have to
(35:43):
figure out a way to move on and move about
the cabin. I know Schefty well, and I would say
that there's very in my time working within and knowing
Adam Schefter, I never found him to be somebody that
was turning around saying I'm going to ruin this person like.
It's not an evil mastermind, evil maniacal laugh situation. He's
just doing his job, you know. And that may not
be something that Nick Cognito enjoyed in that process, but
(36:08):
that doesn't mean that he did anything. Well. While we
can look at it now and try and ask questions
about what the bullying really entailed, I mean, I think
we're just glossing over a lot here, if we're gonna
turn this into some sort of the media was out
to get Richie Incognito.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
No doubt. All right, he's Jason Fitz, I'm Brian No.
We're in for two pros and a cup of Joe here.
Coming up next, Fitz says the sports system is broken
in one specific way. He'll lay that out for you
coming up. We're live from the Tirack dot Com studios
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Speaker 4 (36:51):
He's Jason Fitz. I'm Brian No.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
We're in for two pros and a cup of Joe
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from the Tirack dot Com studios. All right, fits, So,
I like this theory from you or this idea. You've
got an idea why the All Star Games, not just
in the NBA, but all Star games across other sports
(37:15):
landscapes are not exactly working out? What's this theory of yours?
Speaker 5 (37:20):
Yeah, the funny thing is you have to look back
to where all Star games worked and asked yourself why
as part of this, and you know, we now live
in a world where you can get every single ounce
of coverage of every single sport every single day. So
if you're an NBA fan, you can get an NBA
League Pass and you can watch the league every single night.
(37:44):
Twenty years ago, that just wasn't possible. I wasn't readily there.
So all Star breaks. All Star games had such incredible
meaning because you know, if you go back to the nineties,
everybody keeps talking about Jordan played every game and he
played in the All Star Games. Well, there was so
much more emphasis to that All Star game because you
never saw the stars taking each other on TV. Packages
didn't even allow for that. Like, think about the way
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college sports have changed and how it used to be
that you could be Nebraska and you were going to
be a huge program because you were on TV every week.
Now every single game for every single team is on
TV every single week. Like at some point, the normalization
of how we're able to consume every highlight, every star player,
every dunk, every single moment of every sport means that
(38:27):
by the very nature of that, like all Star games
are gonna feel useless. You can watch these stars every
night in the league. You can see great dunks every
night in the league. So you've got this sort of
desensitized thing on top of the fact that we've seen
it all before, on top of the fact that we
see these stars every night, on top of the fact
that it's just blasted in your face every day, it
(38:48):
just it feels like all Star games are a failed
process now for every single sport, because there is so
much coverage of every one of those sports throughout the
course of the regular season.
Speaker 4 (38:58):
Yeah, I hear, Yeah. I think that has something to
do with it.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
I think, especially in baseball, think about that where there
was like a game of the week and that was it,
and certainly was There wasn't any interleague play, and so
when you're seeing the best stars of the AL finally
play against the best stars of the NL, it was
just a different dynamics. So yeah, I think that has
something to do with it. I think it's like layers, right.
(39:21):
I think one of the major layers too, is just
the effort level, especially in the NBA. If you go
out there and you try, and you compete and it's
a legitimate product and a legitimate game, I think the
ratings are going to be much better. But when you
know last year they combined for almost four hundred points
in a game, it's just like, bro, this is a
total waste of time. So I think that layer contributes
(39:43):
as well. But the layer that you're mentioning absolutely contributes,
no doubt about that.
Speaker 5 (39:48):
I will also say to your point of effort again,
I'll go back to how we cover the NBA. You
can have the single greatest season in history, and all
of a sudden, everybody rolls their eyes if it doesn't
result in a championship. So if we are suddenly in
the spot where the only thing that matters for your
(40:09):
entire legacy playing in the NBA is how many championships
you win, because one isn't even enough, then how do
you put emphasis on an All Star game that people
won't even remember you played in? Like, why would anybody
give effort? Because no matter what that effort is, we're
just gonna sit there and squash whatever their entire career
is if it doesn't result in a championship.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
That's true, But when you're making so much money, the
audacity to be like, if you can incentivize us by
maybe giving us more money, it's like, bro, at some point,
have some pride to just go out there and compete
a little bit, is what I say? All right, coming
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Is that proper English fits? Is it?
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Who's drunker?
Speaker 5 (00:44):
Or?
Speaker 3 (00:44):
I like, who's more drunk? I don't know if that's
correct or not, but it sounds better to me.
Speaker 5 (00:49):
The rule on proper English is simple, say it definitively
and we'll all buy it. So yeah, I think, however
you say it, as long as you say it with
your chest, we'll all come along with it.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Okay, Ye, let's try this, Who's more drunk?
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How's that?
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statements recently about the Cowboys and the Eagles.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Check them out to refresh your memory.
Speaker 5 (01:31):
I feel like we.
Speaker 6 (01:32):
Compete with the Eagles and beat them for the most
part from when we played them on I don't want
to say, check director one.
Speaker 5 (01:37):
Another guy's holding the trophy right now.
Speaker 6 (01:39):
Credit to them, they've earned and they deserved it by
all means.
Speaker 5 (01:42):
But very cool.
Speaker 6 (01:42):
Especially you even watched the NFC game, the NFC Championship,
and those two teams, teams that that we battle against
each and every year a couple of times, and as
I said, feel confident about we've gotten the better part
each and every time. To see them, to see in
a such a dominating fashion, credit to them. It's our
turning this on us.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Okay Cowboys very close to the Eagles, fits in this corner.
The challenger Draymond Green, Okay High hopes for.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
The Warriors this season. Here's what he had to say
on d n D.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
We're going to win the championship. Say that one more
time so that everybody hear you my earpiece because they
added Jimmy Bullert the third sonyone.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
I'm sorry I said I think we're going to win
a championship.
Speaker 5 (02:25):
But I lie, we are going to win the champion Wow.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Who all right? That is solid competition right there, fits
I let you have first Dibbs. Is Dak Prescott more
drunk or is it Draymond Green?
Speaker 4 (02:42):
With their statements right there, who would you go with?
Speaker 5 (02:44):
Well? I think what Draymond forgot to just say at
the end of his statement is on two K like
cause obviously he was talking about the video game version
of basketball, and maybe there he stands a chance. Like
I know, we we love and obsess over players and
brands that we know in the NBA we always have,
right and I get that this is the way we
(03:04):
treat everything in the NBA, and to a detriment, everything
in the NBA becomes well until we see it in
the playoffs, it doesn't count. And then once it starts
in the playoffs, well until it results in the championship,
it doesn't count. And by belittling everything that happens during
the course of the entire journey to get there, we
sort of minimize teams like Oklahoma City, We minimize teams
like Memphis because it's easy to turn around and say, well,
(03:27):
got to see it, you know, let's see how it
looks in the playoffs, and it'll become that conversation again,
don't want to face Golden State. You know they've gotten
everything right by the end of the year. We do
this all the time, and you know, I laugh about
it because, frankly, we're just so busy downplaying what we
don't want from NBA teams and then playing up what
we do want, which is just certain brands. You know,
(03:50):
it's laughable. It's laughable to me. So let's just be
very clear. Golden State is not currently better than Oklahoma City,
Golden State is not currently better than Memphis, and Golden
State sure as hell isn't currently better than Denver. So
if your argument is well, I got to see it
in the playoffs, the Nuggets are over here saying hold
my beer, right, Like, how many times we have to
show you how bored are you gonna be yet again
(04:11):
when the Nuggets going to run. So you know, but
this is an okayc team that they've only lost ten games,
ten games all year long, and we're gonna sit here
and try and put the Warriors in the NBA fight
Like that's not good for anybody. It's just so. I
think that Draymond must have been talking about the video
game version of basketball. Otherwise Draymond's more drunk.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
I agree. I think it is Draymond because the Warriors,
I really want to say, they have no shot, but
I'll give them the legal limit. Okay, I'll give them
point zero eight percent shot. That's what they have, right, Like,
could the craziest of crazy things happen and Sga gets
hurt and Jokic gets hurt and what maybe maybe as
(04:56):
I'll give them, like any idiot, chance to win a championship,
even though realistically they don't even have that because what
the would have to happen? The planets would have to
align perfectly for them to win a championship. They just
don't have the depth. I watch the NBA every day
fits I love the NBA, and I'm watching teams as
(05:20):
deep as Okay, see their record is what it is
without dudes like chet Holmgren has been hurt for most
of the season.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
You know, Hartenstein has missed a.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Lot of time, and they've still been rattling off wins
at like a sixty five win pace and they're not
even fully healthy. This isn't college basketball, where it's forty minutes,
there's a three point line and almost anything can happen
in one game. This is a best of seven series.
(05:52):
You're not going to beat a team that's better than you,
like in high end talent, has way more depth than you.
You're not beating that team if you're the Warriors in
a seven game series, if you're going up against OKC,
it's not happening. So I don't know what that was.
That was like a LeVar Ball moment, trying to speak
(06:13):
it into existence or what, But that was kind of
the equivalent of I took down Jordan one on one.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
You know, it's the Warriors gonna win it all this season.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
No, they're not. They have a better chance of not
making the playoffs at all than they do of winning
a championship.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
That's true.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
I mean, they're barely above five hundred at this point,
and to your point. And I think the best of
seven part of this is an important portion of it
because NBA playoff basketball is all about matchups, and I
know that we talk about it all the time when
we start to get to June, but when you start
talking about best of seven, you're talking about you gotta
do this over and over and over again. And to
(06:52):
win a championship, you're gonna have to get through not
just in Oklahoma City, but also probably a team like
a Denver. And if all of that breaks your way
and you get through all of that, you're likely to
take on what you know, let's say, if you like
teams would have been there before, you're likely gonna end
up having to take on the Celtics, if you like
a new budget, taking on the Calves, maybe the Knicks,
(07:13):
and what would be spectacular? Right, So you start thinking
about what that requirement is from a best to seven standpoint,
and that's where again I just I sort of roll
my eyes to the concept of a team coming from
out of nowhere. This isn't the NHL where you got
a hot goalie, and if you got a hot goalie,
you can suddenly make your way through the entire Stanley
Cup playoff like it doesn't work that way in the NBA.
(07:34):
So yeah, I think part of this for the Cowboys
standpoint because he asked me the question of who's more
drunk here. Any given Sunday, you can get go on
a run, things can get hot, and if you're the Cowboys,
yes you're coming off a rough year. But the one
thing that we know is that more often than not,
the Cowboys are at least in contention. Right, So you've
(07:55):
got a team that more often than not wins double
digit games and more often than not finds themselves in
the conversation. At least I can put together a really
fuzzy way that you know, I can find Dak's math
because one game you never know. I can't find the
same for the Warriors. It's just it's pure concept, and
(08:15):
I think the Warriors are a lot like what I
found myself yelling and screaming a couple of years ago
about the Lakers, when the Lakers were in the playing
conversation and everybody was trying to convince us that that
meant that they stood a real chance at going to
the NBA Final, and they just they didn't. They didn't.
Then the Warriors don't. Now it's a cute story, but
it's not. Actually, there's just no reality to it. Right.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
How about the Cowboys aspect of this, where if you
dive to that storyline with Dak on one hand, you
could look at it and say, hey, the Cowboys Dak
Prescott was unhealthy, he was already hurt. He didn't play
against the Eagles in either of those blowout losses this
past season. So if you just for the heck of it,
(08:57):
look at the recent seasons. So the year prior, both
teams split, Like the Cowboys won one game, Eagles won
the other game. The previous season to that same thing,
they split, and so you could look at this and say, Okay,
I mean maybe he's got a leg to stand on
with the injury issues and the Cowboys had a down
(09:19):
year and it was absolutely tied to that. But really
fits if you think about how quickly things change in
the NFL, just look at that division. Look how much
things have changed for the Commanders. They go from a
four to thirteen team to twelve and five this past
season and they're in the NFC Championship game. You know,
(09:40):
like things can change dramatically in one year. Look at
the Eagles. The Eagles were a second place team the
previous year, Cowboys won the division. But this past season
they're fourteen and three, won a Super Bowl. They picked
up Saquon Barkley like they're cooking with grease. That's a
lot different than where they were even the previous seas.
(10:00):
So I don't think it makes a whole lot of
sense to look at the twenty twenty three twenty twenty
two results, go back to twenty one. We got to
go by the here and now it was this past
season and projecting forward to the next one. He's got
Brian Schottenheimer as your new head coach. You know, I
think you once were very close to the Eagles. I
don't think right now the Cowboys are very close. But
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not as bad of a statement in my mind as
Draymond's statement. But what do you think about what Dak
had to say about the Cowboys and Eagles.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
Look, you're you're absolutely right, and I was wrong on
the wheels falling off the Cowboys this year. But I
will say this about Jerry Jones. Think about what Jerry
Jones does as an owner and how he hires, and
go back and look at the Cowboys year by year record.
If you look year by year, they haven't had back
to back losing seasons since two thousand and one and
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two thousand and two. They had three straight bad seasons
two thousand and two and five and eleven. Each of
those years, that's the last time the Cowboys had backed
back losing seasons. Wow. Jerry Jones, who we give so
much grief to because you know, the expectation, for some
reason for the Cowboys' championships, And I still think that's
kind of stupid. I mean, every time Cowboys fans say
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we haven't won a Super Bowl since the nineties, I say,
hold my beer. There's a ton of teams that haven't
won a Super Bowl since the nineties, Like, you're not special.
But what I do think here is that when we
talk about what Jerry Jones is capable of doing, Jerry
Jones is actually really capable of finding competent head coaches,
maybe not super Bowl winning head coaches. That's certainly part
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of the legacy we can talk about. But over the
course of since Dave Campo was fired, I can't believe
I went all the way back to Dave Campo. Bill
Parcells obviously had some success Wade Phillips had some success,
Jason Garrett had some success, Mike McCarthy had some success.
Nobody thought it was enough because they are the Cowboys.
But when you look at who he hires, you're talking
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about a team that consistently has double digit wins and
is consistently in the conversation as one of the better
in the NFC, and then they don't win the Super Bowl.
So to me, I think it's pretty reasonable to say, hey,
Jerry Jones is not Mark Davis. He doesn't have thirty
one head coaches in the last or sorry, fifteen coaches
head coaches in the last thirty one years. That's a
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real number for the Raiders. Fifteen head coaches in thirty
one years. That's not how Jerry Jones does things. So like,
I think Jerry probably found himself a pretty good coach.
It's gonna make the team pretty good, and Cowboys fans
are gonna be angry that they're just pretty good because
that's what they are every single time.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
What is that for the Raiders? Fifteen head coaches in
the last thirty one years?
Speaker 5 (12:36):
Fifteen full time. I'm not counting interim, not even interim,
not even interim fifteen full time head coaches hired in
the last thirty one years. So when anyone says, oh
my god, Pete Carroll might only make it three years
because of his age, I laugh and I'm like, well,
that's better than the average, Like what are we talking about,
Like that's longer than most coaches make it. For the Raiders,
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it's it's been gross. Gross.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
That is really gross. Man. I didn't realize it was
that bad. Like you start comparing it to say a team,
like a franchise like the Steelers, they've had two head
coaches in the last thirty one years, you know what
I mean? Like three head coaches in the last how
long fits like forty plus fifty plus or something like that,
with Tomlin and Kower and Noel.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
Like that's crazy when you start looking at it.
Speaker 5 (13:22):
And that's why, man, Like, that's why we have to
just at some point everybody has to start putting their
logic hat on. When you're watching people yell at each
other on TV about who's going to get fired, stop
thinking emotionally about what you're listening to, and then just
ask yourself, logically, what does this franchise actually usually do?
How does this franchise actually do business. Like every time
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they sit here and yell that Jerry Jones is gonna
fire somebody, I laugh because Jerry Jones hasn't been that
guy since the nineties. He's been a wildly patient owner
that gives teams, gives coaches multiple years to get it right.
He's been consistent in that over and over and over again,
and guess what, more often than not, his teams have
won enough games to consistently be in that conversation. So,
(14:06):
you know, I think we got the Steelers great example.
Every time someone's like, oh, they're going to move on
from Mike Tomlin, really pull your head out of your
rear end, Like what indication have the Steelers ever given
us that they're gonna move on from their head coach,
not fans, the actual organization, and the organization is patient
and the organization is calm. So like, I just just
we need to change the way we consume talking heads
(14:29):
and start listening with the logical mindset on what organizations
actually do.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
That's a good point.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
I like that you kind of flipped it on the Cowboys,
especially because that's all anyone has really talked about is
they haven't won a super Bowl since the mid nineties.
But I like that stat of not having back to
back losing seasons since the early two thousands because no
one really talks about that where I think it's and
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there's some truth to it, like they've gotten to such
they've gotten to such a status, like they've reached a
level where it's show us the rings, you know, show
us the playoffs success. But to your point, what's often
overlooked is they've been more consistent winning wise than they've
been given credit for because we're just looking at where's
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the deep playoff run?
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Where the rings? What's up of that?
Speaker 3 (15:21):
You know, but turning out winning seasons at least puts
you in the range of doing that.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
It's just you got to have the deep playoff runs.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
But it's often overlooked that they have done a lot
of winning along the way. It's just not the ultimate
wins that have come.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
And real quick, I'll say this, because you mentioned range,
I think that's what we should be rooting for. Its proximity.
Are you in the range where you are contrectful of
winning a championship? Because again, we need a word other
than sucks like the Dallas Cowboys. I'm sorry they don't suck. Yeah, Like,
I'm a Raiders fan. I've seen eleven winning seasons in
the last forty years, eleven and forty eleven times my
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favorite two. There's one more games than they've lost in
the last forty years. So like that sucks. The Cowboys
consistently win double digit games and they're constantly in the
conversation of one of the better teams in the NFC.
Maybe that's not Super Bowls, I get it, but that's
not suck. There's got to be a different word for it. Like,
there's got to be a word for a team that's
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pretty darn good most years but frustrates their fans because
they just don't win championships during that window. I don't
know what that word is, but it's not sucks. Man.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Yeah, that's true. And that's man. That's a dose of reality,
isn't it. Where you're like, it's a great point, well
laid out by you, but it's essentially you whittle it down.
It's you think that sucks. Oh, I know suck, all right,
I'm a Raiders fan. I am well aware of what
suck truly means. You know, that's.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
Roughly what does a Browns fan feel every time a
Cowboys fans like, we haven't worn a Super Bowl since
the nineties. Really, what does a Bills fan sitting here
saying to that you haven't won one since the nineties
kissed my butt?
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Yeah, my god, they'd give you fa and arms for
Super Bowl in the in the mid nineties, you.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
Know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Like?
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Nothing nothing over there, all right? Uh, He's Jason Fitz.
I'm Brian No. We're in for two pros and a
cup of Joe here today. Coming up next, this story
has gotten really weird very quickly. We'll let you know
about that. We're live from the Tirack dot Com studios
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Speaker 7 (17:22):
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Speaker 3 (17:36):
He's Jason Fitz. I'm Brian No. We're in for two
pros and a cup of Joe right here on Fox
Sports Radio, coming to you live from the Tirack dot
Com studios. You know, Fitz, I gotta tell you something here, man,
because you're a music guy, you would love this. So
one of my buddies here. I'm in South Bend right now.
(17:58):
Unfortunately I have to go to a funeral today for
my uncle. Yeah, thank you man, my uncle Jerry. The
visitation was last night, the funeral is this morning. It's brutal,
but and it's outside, man, it fits today. Guess what
the temperature here is right now? Take a wild guest.
Speaker 5 (18:17):
I can't imagine. It's gotta be cold. It's just I mean,
I'm in Connecticut and it's freezing, so I can't imagine.
What were we in the twenties.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
We're talking six that that's the temperature right now. It's six.
It's gonna be cold outside here today, man. But anyway,
the one positive thing since being home. I went to
go see one of my buddies the other night, my
good friend Jay, and he said, look, man, we got
this text thread going a few of us and we
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used to do two really good bands and you have
to pick which band is better. And he said, I
thought it'd be funnier if you pick two bad bands, right,
and you have to make an argument which band is better.
And it just popped into my head when Loraina who
does a fantastic job.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
She's just playing a terrible song.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
There for a second, Like, if you took two bad
songs and you have to make a strong argument for
one of the two bad songs being better than the other,
what do you think about that?
Speaker 4 (19:15):
That could be very funny.
Speaker 5 (19:16):
I think, yeah, look, that's a great idea. I and
having to die in the hill of whichever song we
all know sucks. But the hardest part about, you know,
music with some of this is just sometimes bad songs
make huge impacts, right, Oh yeah, so you know what
do you do?
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Like?
Speaker 5 (19:36):
You know, it's it's the whole concept of timeless music
versus just making a song that just resonates with the generation.
And that's one of the confusions I think I've always
had her one of the complications I should say I've
always had when it comes to my Grammy vote. You know,
over the years that I've voted, It's always interesting to
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me when you sit there and say, well, this song
resonated with this like twenty years when they play, you know,
the greatest hits for the high school graduating class of
twenty eighteen, whatever, like these Taylor Swift songs are going
to resonate. So even if you don't love Taylor Swift,
I still have to respect that, Like I respect the
hell out of that, right. So, you know, the greatest
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example to me in the world is LMFAO, a band
that you know, obviously they had some pretty terrible songs,
but everybody, everybody remembers LMFAO, and I cannot imagine what
it is like considering the fact that they are related
to Barry Gordy, who founded Motown Records and is one
of the most important people in music history. So you
(20:40):
got to sit at the Thanksgiving table with you know,
your grandpa, Barry Gordy, who's a you know out here,
your dad out here, that's Barry Gordy, and then you
got to look him in the eye knowing that you
did shot shot shot shot, like that's what you're known for,
you know. I just I don't know how to make
all that work, Like I don't you know, I don't
know how to make all of that work. It was
it's just the thought of like, you're a party rock
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band and you're, you know, in the same family as
one of the most influential people in music history.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Okay, I like this, So if we go a step further.
If you think of just any any hit off the
top of your head that you would say that's actually
a bad song. Is there anything else besides LMFAO that
comes to mind?
Speaker 5 (21:22):
I mean a lot like man, I feel like the
entire era. And look, I say this. I say this
gently because you know, as I've reminded people repeatedly, we
live in this weird world where if you are a
one hit wonder, people use that as a reason why
again you suck. And I've always thought, god, like, it's
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crazy to me to think that, oh, all you had
was one hit, and so that suddenly means that you're terrible, right, right, right?
I don't know. I struggle with that so admittedly, But
this is also so like so I was. I saw
an Instagram post the other day that came up that
was like Rolling Owes worst songs of the nineteen eighties,
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and they had like we Built the City as one
of the worst ten songs. And I love that song.
I think it's great. I think it's great. So you know,
I don't know, maybe I'm the wrong judge because I
do love some shallow pop. I mean, I don't know, it's.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
An interesting thought. Yeah, Now it's true, Like there are
a lot of bands that it's kind of like wide receivers, right,
Like you you might not be a number one receiver,
but your your band is like you got a bunch
of number three receiver songs, you know, yeah, a lot
of like maybe a couple of number two receiver songs
pretty good, but you don't have that smash hit that
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you know, top five wide receiver if you will, Which
would you rather have? Would you rather be a band
that has a mega hit and that's all just one
mega hit?
Speaker 4 (22:48):
Or would you rather be a.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Band that has like a lot of solid B side songs,
like really good songs, a catalog of B side songs,
but not one hit?
Speaker 4 (22:58):
Which would you rather be? Honestly?
Speaker 5 (23:00):
I mean for me, I'd rather take the massive hit, like, yeah,
I would rather And look and I laugh again because
my god, it's not an insult to me. But I
look around and certainly from all my year's tour and
If I Die Young was the biggest hit for the
Van Perio, And you know, I look back at that
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period of my life with tremendous honor and respect that
I even got to be part of something that turned
out to be a massive song. The funny thing is
again that that's oft Oftentimes you know, you look back
and it's like, well, one hit. Wonder if f I
young as the song everybody knows I think we had
six number ones in country music. Oh wow, if five
or six number ones in country music. But so often,
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like if it doesn't cross over, people don't realize it,
you know what I mean, So like if it's not
on your you know, radar, and then you know, it's
just it, it slips away. So I don't know, to
me it is. It's funny because I when I was touring,
I never got the golden platinum plaques. I guess thought
that was so self aggrandizing. And then when I got
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out of the business of touring, I went back and
got him. And the very first record that I ever
had my name in a long time ago was a
Billy Gilman Christmas record. And I laugh every time. I like,
Billy Gilman was not a great artist, and Billy Gilman's
Christmas record, Like I was embarrassed at the time that
I was like, yeah, I finally got my name in
a record and it's a Billy Gilman Christmas record. Now
I look back like it's one of the blacks that
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hangs on my wall, like it's a yeah, I say,
Christmas record that went gold, and I'm like, who would
have ever? So I do think, you know, it's it's
all relative. It's amazing again, like we applied this concept
of well that artist sucks, and it's like, I don't know,
if you sold half a million records at any point
in your life, you did something, right.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
Yeah it's pretty good.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
Yeah, yeah, he didretty good. He did the dang thing.
So there you go.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
It's better than the dude that sold none. You know,
that's a lot better like that. Oh, it's usually it never.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
Got a record deal, like like somebody sits there that's
just never. And this is the funniest thing I say
all the time when people come back at any of
us and say, well, I don't want you to talk
about sports unless you were the highest accomplishing athlete in
the history of the world. I laugh about constantly. I'm like, okay, cool.
If that's the standard we're going to put across the board,
then I no longer want to hear anyone ever talk
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about music that doesn't have at least a multi platinum right,
And if you've never run a successful restaurant, your food
opinions are no longer right. Right? How many movies have
you directed? Because if the answer zero, I don't want
to hear you talk about like it's funny that we
put this arbitrary assignment on sports of like, well, you
weren't an NFL quarterback, so I don't want to hear
(25:34):
you talk about quarterbacks. And I laugh at that because
we don't apply that to any other Like Frankly, if
you've never sat there and run traffic in an intersection,
you probably shouldn't judge somebody that runs a red light
because well.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Think about think about how many opinions on politics are
out there. Oh, most people have never done anything politically.
Speaker 5 (25:54):
Well, people can't pass a basic Civics class, and we're
over here like it is one of my favorite exercises
to do. In general, I was lucky I moved around
so much as a kid. I lived all over the country.
I wouldn't change that experience for anything. But when I
was on the tour bus, it was funny one time
that everybody was sitting there making fun of one of
those are you smarter than a fifth grader type shows
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because everybody was convinced that they knew every state in
the US and where it is. So I did, you know,
being the jerk that I am, while everybody was at soundcheck,
I had our tour manager print maps that didn't have
any of the states. Yeah, and I just set them
down in front of everybody. I'm like, all, go ahead,
go ahead, fill out the map. Not a single person
on any of those tour buses found out like everybody
(26:36):
as a whole. Like if you don't know New England,
well you get tripped up in New England. Yeah, like Montana,
well you get tripped up over in that, Like everybody has.
So the very people that are sitting here yelling and
screaming on social media about all of these political things,
like they know I'm sitting there and I'm like, man,
I don't know. If I gave you a basic fifty
question civics test, do you think you could really pass
(26:57):
it right now? And if the answer is no, maybe
that should be the new line in the sand. Make
everybody pass a test before we get to comment on something.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
I like it. I love that. Maybe we put that
into action right there? All right? It is two pros
and a cup of Joe. He's Jason Fitz. I'm Brian
know we're in for the guys here on Fox Sports Radio.
Let me throw a story. You were talking about civics.
It makes me think of civic. I wouldn't think of
Richie in Cognito as like a civic guy, right, But
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this story, I'm just so curious what you think about it.
So I'll give you the cliffs Notes version. Everybody listening.
So Richie and Cognito, you go all the way back
to twenty thirteen. He was accused of bullying his teammate
at the time, Jonathan Martin. They both played for the
Miami Dolphins. There was a full blown investigation, there was
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a Wells report, All of this stuff came out, and
people were convinced that Richie in Cognito bullied Jonathan Martin.
So you fast forward to the here and now. Within
this last week, ESPN has done a story on Jonathan Martin,
and Jonathan Martin says, no, I was never bullied, and
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so Richie Incognito comes off the top rope here fits
and is like, oh, I'm exonerated. I never bullied anybody. Hey,
Adam schafter you tried to ruin my life. It was
total bs what you were reporting, so forth and so on,
and so there was a little voicemail that was a
part of this story from twenty thirteen, and just a
(28:31):
little small portion of this here fits when we're trying
to figure out, hey, hey did Richie in cognito? Was
he a bit of a bully?
Speaker 5 (28:38):
Here?
Speaker 3 (28:39):
On this voicemail from Incognito to Jonathan Martin, Incognito says, hey,
what's up you half n word piece of s It
goes on from there, I'm going to slap your real
mother in the face. F you you're still a rookie,
I'll kill you his funny foot on this voicemail, and
he has the to go on social media and be like,
(29:03):
not'm free, never was a bully. It's it's official. Jonathan
Martin says, I was never a bully. Long story short.
Martin says his parents were really pushing this, like, hey,
Incognito is a bully, and Jonathan Martin says, that's not
what I did. I just think he doesn't want to
be known as the guy who was like he bullied me,
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and he's trying to spin it right now. I don't
believe for a second that Richie Incognito was never a
bully ever in his life, especially in the NFL. That
is ridiculous. But so many people are coming to his defense,
and it's like, sue him, sue him, Richie. I think
it's so ridiculous that Incognito is posing as like this,
(29:45):
I don't know, like brotherly.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
Father figure or something like that.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Come on, man, Like, if you believe Incognito never bullied anybody,
I don't know what's in your brain right now.
Speaker 5 (29:56):
I also think, you know, we talk about the communal
mindset of so many people, the concept of suing for slander,
and how often people just yell and scream. That shows
you how few people have ever been involved in legal
cases around slander. Yeah, because for anyone that doesn't know,
the legal line on slander is actually pretty difficult to prove.
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And you have to knowingly spread information that was knowingly
again false, with the specific intent of detriment to somebody's
character or reputation. So in order to sue somebody that
writes an article, you would have to actually prove that
that person had information that was not publicly known. That's
one step of it. They knew that that information was false.
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And they spread that information specifically to hurt somebody. That
is a legal line that is really difficult. So every
time somebody is like go out there and sue, I
just laugh. It's like, Okay, there's a reason that it's
not that simple. That being said, there's only one or
two answers for incognito. Either you were a bully, and
you know, frankly, I think if you were a bully,
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that this would be a pretty good time for you
to come back and say, hey, I'm not proud of
the tone that I had, like I've grown. Either you're
a bully or you're just an ass, Like yeah, and
you're the biggest of biggest of biggest of jerks with
everything that you've done. Like, if you want to turn
around and say I was not a bully, you still
have to acknowledge that those voicemails were just right, and
(31:23):
you look like a trash person from the way that
those voicemails come across. Maybe you weren't bullying him. Maybe
that's your locker room speak and that's how you want
to bury everything. But like, frankly, just listen to the
voicemail and you're reminded that it at the very least.
You are just a massive, massive jerk. And that's the
complication on all of it. Like, if you're Richie incognito,
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I understand you want to clear your name. I'm just
not sure that you can clear your name without some
level of Hey. If he comes out in this exact
moment and says none of I'm not proud of who
I was, then yeah, like I could have handled that
so much of that better. I didn't bully him, but
I learned from the process of how to be a
better human being. I think in a forgiving society, we'd
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all be turning around saying, oh shucks, man like that
that's really cool, you know, cool for him. That's not that.
Tony's taken. He's taking this. I don't want to talk
about this anymore. But also I want everybody to apologize
to me. And this is tough, man, Like I say,
this is again. I grew up a fat kid that
play the violin. The nicest thing that anybody wrote in
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my sixth grade yearbook when I moved across country was
go home, Like, I understand what it was like to
be bullied, and I think, frankly, for me, I've always
looked at it and said, man, it made me tough
like I am who I am today because I learned
how to fit in in different rooms, in different classrooms
all across the country, because we moved around so much.
Like these are things that like I actually think sometimes
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I look back in my life and as tough as
my childhood was, for some of that, it helped make
me a better adult. So I think that there's lessons
we can learn from all of it. I say that
like saying that, hey, you got to go through this stuff,
and Jonathan Martin could come out at this point and say, hey,
I could have done this better. I could have done
this better. I learned this from this, Like everybody involved
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in this could take the high road, and it just
feels like nobody's doing that.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Well. Yeah, and I like what you said, where if
Incognito came out and said something that was a lot
easier to buy, like what you laid out, if he
came out and said, hey, look, man, I'm not proud
of the things that I said.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
I could have done a better job.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
And maybe something like it is a part of the culture,
you know, like looking back, we are a little bit
too tough on rookies at times and reading these words
back to me, I'm like, whoa, that came out of
my mind right, Like that's easier to believe, that's easier
to buy. But if he's basically like, see, I told
you this was all about nothing, I'm guilt free baby, Like,
(33:49):
it's like, come on, dude, all of a sudden, Richie
Incognito is like an altar boy, what are we doing here?
Speaker 4 (33:55):
You know, you just can't buy what he's selling.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
So that part of it is, don't try to sell
me something that's just not believable at all, And that's
essentially what he's doing. The other part of this is
when he's coming after the media. Look, a lot of
people listening will think if you're a part of the media,
you'll stick up for fellow media members. Is if there's
a creed, there's like an oath you take. It's not
like that at all. If the media does or says
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something dumb, I'm gonna be the first one to tell
you that. But if Adam Schefter back in twenty thirteen
is reporting like, hey, there was this Wells report, here
are the findings, doesn't look good for Richie Incognito. He's
not trying to ruin Richie Incognito's life. You know what
I'm saying, right, But Richie Incognito is saying that, like
(34:42):
you tried to ruin my life with this BS. It's like, no, false,
He's just reporting what the Wells investigation found out about
this whole bullying scandal. That's not trying to ruin your life.
That's just reporting news. That's all that happened here. So
I don't buy that part of what incog Anita was
selling either.
Speaker 5 (35:01):
No, And look, I think we have to understand the
confirmation bias is real. Like sometimes you come into something
and you read the reports, you hear the voicemail makes
you feel a certain way, and you write and report
based on how you feel with that. That's just the
human part of what reporting looks like. And I'm certainly
not a journalist, but you know, journalists have impacted my
(35:22):
entire life, my entire career, and you know that's just
part of what you have to deal with. I don't
believe that everybody that ever wrote a bad review of
one of my projects suddenly had it out for me. Right,
just means it like people see things differently and that
that's just part of their right if you're you know,
if Rolling Stone thinks that my project sucks, that's just
you know, that's part of life. You just have to
(35:43):
figure out a way to move on and move about
the cabin. I know Schefty well, and I would say
that there's very in my time working within and knowing
Adam Schefter, I never found him to be somebody that
was turning around saying I'm going to ruin this person like.
It's not an evil mastermind, evil maniacal laugh situation. He's
just doing his job, you know. And that may not
be something that Nick Cognito enjoyed in that process, but
(36:08):
that doesn't mean that he did anything. Well. While we
can look at it now and try and ask questions
about what the bullying really entailed, I mean, I think
we're just glossing over a lot here, if we're gonna
turn this into some sort of the media was out
to get Richie Incognito.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
No doubt. All right, he's Jason Fitz, I'm Brian No.
We're in for two pros and a cup of Joe here.
Coming up next, Fitz says the sports system is broken
in one specific way. He'll lay that out for you
coming up. We're live from the Tirack dot Com studios
right here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
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Speaker 4 (36:51):
He's Jason Fitz. I'm Brian No.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
We're in for two pros and a cup of Joe
right here on Fox Sports Radio, coming to you live
from the Tirack dot Com studios. All right, fits, So,
I like this theory from you or this idea. You've
got an idea why the All Star Games, not just
in the NBA, but all Star games across other sports
(37:15):
landscapes are not exactly working out? What's this theory of yours?
Speaker 5 (37:20):
Yeah, the funny thing is you have to look back
to where all Star games worked and asked yourself why
as part of this, and you know, we now live
in a world where you can get every single ounce
of coverage of every single sport every single day. So
if you're an NBA fan, you can get an NBA
League Pass and you can watch the league every single night.
(37:44):
Twenty years ago, that just wasn't possible. I wasn't readily there.
So all Star breaks. All Star games had such incredible
meaning because you know, if you go back to the nineties,
everybody keeps talking about Jordan played every game and he
played in the All Star Games. Well, there was so
much more emphasis to that All Star game because you
never saw the stars taking each other on TV. Packages
didn't even allow for that. Like, think about the way
(38:06):
college sports have changed and how it used to be
that you could be Nebraska and you were going to
be a huge program because you were on TV every week.
Now every single game for every single team is on
TV every single week. Like at some point, the normalization
of how we're able to consume every highlight, every star player,
every dunk, every single moment of every sport means that
(38:27):
by the very nature of that, like all Star games
are gonna feel useless. You can watch these stars every
night in the league. You can see great dunks every
night in the league. So you've got this sort of
desensitized thing on top of the fact that we've seen
it all before, on top of the fact that we
see these stars every night, on top of the fact
that it's just blasted in your face every day, it
(38:48):
just it feels like all Star games are a failed
process now for every single sport, because there is so
much coverage of every one of those sports throughout the
course of the regular season.
Speaker 4 (38:58):
Yeah, I hear, Yeah. I think that has something to
do with it.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
I think, especially in baseball, think about that where there
was like a game of the week and that was it,
and certainly was There wasn't any interleague play, and so
when you're seeing the best stars of the AL finally
play against the best stars of the NL, it was
just a different dynamics. So yeah, I think that has
something to do with it. I think it's like layers, right.
(39:21):
I think one of the major layers too, is just
the effort level, especially in the NBA. If you go
out there and you try, and you compete and it's
a legitimate product and a legitimate game, I think the
ratings are going to be much better. But when you
know last year they combined for almost four hundred points
in a game, it's just like, bro, this is a
total waste of time. So I think that layer contributes
(39:43):
as well. But the layer that you're mentioning absolutely contributes,
no doubt about that.
Speaker 5 (39:48):
I will also say to your point of effort again,
I'll go back to how we cover the NBA. You
can have the single greatest season in history, and all
of a sudden, everybody rolls their eyes if it doesn't
result in a championship. So if we are suddenly in
the spot where the only thing that matters for your
(40:09):
entire legacy playing in the NBA is how many championships
you win, because one isn't even enough, then how do
you put emphasis on an All Star game that people
won't even remember you played in? Like, why would anybody
give effort? Because no matter what that effort is, we're
just gonna sit there and squash whatever their entire career
is if it doesn't result in a championship.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
That's true, But when you're making so much money, the
audacity to be like, if you can incentivize us by
maybe giving us more money, it's like, bro, at some point,
have some pride to just go out there and compete
a little bit, is what I say? All right, coming
up next, the value is far greater than the paycheck.
We'll explain that
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