March 6, 2025 • 51 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, some defensive stars get paid despite being undrafted. Seattle will let DK Metcalf seek a trade and TheMMQB’s Albert Breer looks ahead to the Draft.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
He's the best of two pros and a couple. Joe
with Lamar rings, Rady Winn and Jonas Knox on radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
You know you smell great. Thank you, thank you. I
don't notice it anything. Thank you appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
So for what it's worth, anybody out there, you can
keep those jokes to yourselves.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
That's all good man. You know.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
I got skunked is what it is. But he did
it again last night too. He sprayed. Yeah, I don't
know what he sprayed, but it was in the air.
He's out, he's out, he's out there. He's he's out
there taking names.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Bro. I smelt it last night. Like, yep, there you
go again. Somebody's got to get him, because somebody's gonna
have to get him.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Man, there's got to be like an arch rival animal
of a skunk that doesn't mind the smell.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
Coyote, Yeah, coyote will take coyote, take him on. Yeah,
go ahead and get him. Oh yeah, even with to smell.
If he could get that, get get through, you know,
go ahead and get him.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Throw a couple of ribbys in the backyard.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
That I know. This is what I know.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
They got about a couple more months before my dude
starts hiking his leg up and and now that skunk
will have forever been the reason why mister stixx ain't
playing around. If you come up in there, that's you know,
they traumatized him, man. Yeah, it's a it's a real shame.
(01:30):
And uh again the warning has been sent. If you
are in the Redondo Beach area and you see a
skunk walking around, look like he just took a body,
he will get to you. Gonna be the next one up. Yeah,
Cereal cereal sprayer and take his got a Cereal spraying
skunk loose and Redondo they will put his put his
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face up on on on the local post office.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
That the the police department most wants.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
I think I've heard that you can smell a skunk
from like two miles away, bro.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
Like I said, what you smell when you smell a skunk,
There's a difference when it hits you. There's a different
smell to it when it hits you.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
And then the other problem is we got rain, Yes,
yeah we did.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
And I had to leave him out and I felt
so bad for him. I felt bad for him, man,
because he had to be outside. You saw where he
was out fetch times. He sitting out the door like, damn,
dog's gonna leave me out here in the rain.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Huh, just sitting down there getting soaked.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
You got wet dog and skunk.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
And what I mean, I washed him enough now that
I mean, he still smells bad. He still smells pretty bad.
And he got it good, like he got it worse
than what like he got it. He got it the
worst because it's I can smell it on his mouth,
like it's in his breath like it's it's it's like
he got bad. It had been like almost like point
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blank range. That that's skunk hitting. Yeah, so you know,
let's see what happens. But he's smelling better now, that's
that's the good thing. He smells better. Yeah, are you
smelling better?
Speaker 2 (03:12):
I'm not. I think I'm alright. It's great.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Yeah, I think I'm alright. I mean i'm hoodied up.
I got sweats on, so I think I'm alright. It'd
be like having you know what I mean, Like it's
underneath my hood.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
So did you put on some mambo like Jonas would do?
Speaker 2 (03:27):
No? I did not. I put enough on for two
So you know you can't anything.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
That's what Chopper would do.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
It's not a skunk in the vicinity that's going to
get through this force field. Dang yeah, yeah, that's why
did you see that?
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Because he's spraying and stuff. That's that. That's that vampire.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
I mean, you could do the thing where you sprayed
in the air and then spin in a circle and
have the mist drop down.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
On your back as well too, Or you could do
it like Spice Adams and just put half of the
bottle on you at one time, one of those guys
the whole thing. Just keep going a little much wit
Jonny's real quick. Do the sound of the clone bottle?
Now do the Spencer rattler sound? I mean they are different,
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are they? They sound very good?
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Again? All right? Now do the spray.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
I guess one is like one like a two parts,
and then the other one is like what three four
part three?
Speaker 5 (04:32):
They sound the exact same.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Yeah, normally I go one spray, but I you know,
I was looking out for you, So that's why I like, listen,
I take care of it.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
Just spray twice. Go it all right? Now, give me
the rattler. It is the same thing. God, dang it.
Cue he's so unoriginal.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
I mean, I was really hoping Jonahs would bring out
something different, but I don't know. Next thing, you know,
you'll talk about his dead dog again.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
And what I am?
Speaker 3 (04:55):
You know, and the dog is dead. He's been dead
for a long time, you know. And I'm not the
only one who's had a dog die on this show.
We go ahead and keep the guns in our holster.
Please here on this beautiful Thursday morning.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
Come in with I'll say, now he's getting a little
bit idle? Can we can we be friends?
Speaker 6 (05:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Damn, hey, welcome in and a cup of jo goad day.
He at least that's something we got in common. What
is this w on w crow going? Right now? What's
what's the deal we got that feel uncomfortable? Right now?
Speaker 3 (05:30):
I got something's gonna make you feel comfortable though. Defensive
players in the NFL getting paid getting rewarded by their
own team, whether it's Zach Bond of the Eagles Max
Crosby of the Raiders getting paid. In the case of Crosby, uh,
this is history if you believe what Adam Schefter sent
out yesterday and discussing the deal. Max Crosby gets a
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three year, one hundred and six point five million dollar
extension from the Raiders, ninety one and a half of
it guaranteed for him, and it makes him the highest
paid non quarterback in NFL history.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
How long is that going to last? How long is
that distinction going to last?
Speaker 5 (06:10):
Probably a couple of weeks.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
Yeah, Michah, Yeah, I'm so happy for Micah when I
saw when I saw the details in her, I was like, Micah,
God leave bro from Harrisburg to the high life.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Bruh.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Who so happy for him? Man, I saw that contract,
I was like, yep, highest paid. Huh, you're gonna have
to hear and new undisputed. Yeah, but but I'm happy
for Max Crosby too, And I'm happy for defenders, you know,
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I'm happy.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Hell yeah, what what do you mean? Oh for Max?
Speaker 6 (06:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (06:53):
I mean, I mean it was close to both, but
you know, but hey, we'll take Max.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
That's fine, We'll take Yeah, I don't know. Max is
more on our side. Man, up top? That up top? Max? Wait? Second,
all right, you're gonna cli Max. We're taking Zach and Max? Yeah?
How are you taking Zach? We're taking both of them?
Speaker 5 (07:14):
Why why not?
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Up tops?
Speaker 6 (07:17):
That?
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Yeah, taking both of them? So they said, wait, why
are you taking Zach, Yeah, because.
Speaker 5 (07:23):
He can play boy.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Hey, why are you taking one of ours?
Speaker 5 (07:27):
Are you taking?
Speaker 6 (07:27):
What?
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Don't you have enough?
Speaker 3 (07:31):
John spy Tech, the GM, the Raters, UH spoke yesterday
at the news conference announcing the extension of Crosby and
talked about what went behind the decision.
Speaker 7 (07:40):
I think Coach and I talked a lot about setting
the tone for this new era of Raiders football. And
I can't think of a better person to sit up
here with and reward for what he's done, but with
an expectation of what's you know, coming, and you know,
we want to we want to grow this to a
place that people want to be. And when people like Max,
I mean it's it's no secret it hasn't been sunshine
and roses around here forever. But when he he makes
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a commitment to the Raiders like this, and you know,
he stands for everything Coach and I and this new
staff and everybody talks about, he signs up for it.
I think that that that speaks volumes, and I hope
it's noticed in our locker room. I hope it's noticed
around the league. And you know, our expectation is, you know,
we want people to want to be here. We want
people once they get here to want to stay here,
and so to us, it just made a lot of
sense to get it done.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
So message sent, you know, to Ben Johnson and Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
We may have missed out on you.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
I still kind of want to visit, revisit to Zach Bond,
Like we can't claim Zach.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
We don't have him.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Y'all got him, you know, it's kind of our super
Bowl you think about.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
It, Zach Bond is yours. Y'all gotim up top with
Zach Bond. I mean, I mean, listen, we can art,
we can negotiate. We're willing to negotiate that. But you know, tang,
that's crazy. Y'all just want to take everything. You can't
just be you can't be too.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Good that.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
MaTx Crosby clearly he clearly will will not claim y'all
he's going up top and that's why he got paid
because he brings that soul brother to the table. Bro
when he gets out there on the field, he'd be
out there doing it like a straight homie, like the
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homie got you.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
Okay, yeah, just so y'all know up top for us, Okay.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
We won, We won.
Speaker 5 (09:25):
I would go as far as saying that Max Crosby,
if you just watch the tape and look at his effort,
I don't know that there's anyone who plays the way
he does every single snap. Like when I think about
Tom Brady along with John Spydeck and and everyone else
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is along with it, and Pete Carroll, that is like
he is the glowing example of when you turn on
the tape and you watch him play all it's all
out effort. Now, he's talented, and he's obviously continued to
improve the core course of his career, but there's elements
when you watch him you just say, like, that's how
I want every one of my players playing. And I
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think it's powerful when you pay a guy like that,
because yes, he's, you know, one of the best players
off the edge of the NFL, but it's also the
example that he sets and he's being rewarded for that,
and I think it sends a message to the rest
of the guys like you, you put yourself on tape like
he does, you're gonna get paid like that too at
some point. So big off season for for Max Cross
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because there was a thought, remember last year, weren't people
saying he was frustrated anymore, he wanted to go.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
It was, it was he was teetering on on the
fence of if he wanted to stay or not.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
There was so much in the last couple of weeks
that you know, would he be on the block, Like
would they say, I mean the trade block?
Speaker 4 (10:48):
Okay, yeah, well we do claim him, so I mean,
it could be the block that you're thinking of, Q.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
He might.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
He might be on the block out on the strip
tonight right now while we're in here.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Congrats.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
All I know is this, You're right about the effort
and and he's an effort guy. And he does play
the game the way that that you want him to
play or the way you want him to play.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
The also is a student of the game.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
I mean, if you look at, you know, some of
the chronicles on him and how he's gotten as good
as he's he's you know, has been able to become
It's a lot of attention to detail. And that's something
that I teach to my kid my kids that I
mentor like the details. That's that's how you become great,
is having the mindset, but paying attention to the details
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along with that mindset and Max Crosby has been one
of those guys. You see it in his game, like
the way that that he is able to defeat blockers
and the way that he's able to impact the games.
A lot of it comes from his attention to d
detail his fundamental skills connected with his studying of the game.
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And that's something that you do want your culture to be,
and that is someone you want to reward and that
is a tone that you want to set and listen,
We've always known that that Pete Carroll has been that
type of guy, right if you ask anybody who has
has played for Pete Carroll, I mean outside of maybe
the legion of Boom at the end maybe I don't know,
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but for the most part, they all love them. Going
all the way back to USC, the way he handles
things with the players and the mentality that he brings
to the table, and the culture that he's been able
to build and the places that he's gone, there's no
surprise why he has the type of success that he
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had at the college level and at the pro level.
I'm just interested to see, now this is a great
move for him, you know, to get the best player
on the team signed and happy going to be motivated.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
That's a great start.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
But I'm just really interested to see what this iteration,
what this version of Pete Carroll will be, you know,
assuming that you know he's he's going to handle things
maybe a tack bit differently. He's a little older, maybe
he's learned a few things that he wants to try new.
I'm interested to see what that approach is. But right now,
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that one was a bull's eye with with you know,
the shot that they took on this particular situation.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
I mean, I'd like to see what their plan is.
A quarterback feels like important, a big one. That's a
big move at some point.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
It's a big move.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
But but they're they're kind of in a almost an
a is it is it a tad bit of a
compromised situation because they don't have, like to me, what
what are they in the draft?
Speaker 2 (13:54):
What what pick are they? I doubt there's going to
be a really good.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
Quarterback in the draft if they're not aggressive and trying
to move up.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
That's one.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
If they don't move up and they don't get one
in the draft, which again we said this is I
think we and I defer this, but I think We've
said this is a three three QB draft, so three
of them might be gone by the time the Raiders go.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Who do you get? Who do like?
Speaker 4 (14:22):
What if you bring in Russell Wilson, do you fall
under intense scrutiny? If you trade for Kirk Cousins, what
does that look like? Do you fall in into intense scrutiny?
Do you bring in Sam Darnold? Like, I don't feel
like any guy you're gonna go out there and get
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is a safe bet.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Not even Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
I just feel like there's not a safe bet at
the quarterback's position. So with that being in in the air,
not being a short fire, this is the guy you
gotta get now that Stafford is gone?
Speaker 2 (15:00):
What do you do? What do you do?
Speaker 4 (15:02):
Is there a right answer for that that position group
this year?
Speaker 5 (15:07):
I think if you go back to Pete Carroll and
his time the Sattle Seahawks and the job he did
working with John Schneider, I mean, they were hand in
hand and it seemed like those two had a really
good feel for what they were each looking for, which
is important all the time this time of year. Your
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GM and your head coach have to be working in
unison to understand what the coaching staff is looking for
out of you know, a player for technique, character, attitude,
what they want to coach, and how they're trying that
coach is trying to put together the team right, they'd
take into account different personalities and all that, so you
know they have to be working hand in hand. Well,
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spy Deck now with Pete Carroll, but also Tom Brady
playing a much more active role. That was one of
the things about the Seattle Seahawks is you got the
sense that like, yes, they had some big money, big
name owners, but also at the same time, the owners
didn't meddle in a lot of what they were doing
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and how they were constructing that team. It doesn't appear
like Mark Davis's, but it does appear that to a
degree Tom Brady does. So I'm curious to the relationship
that Tom Brady has with Pete Carroll on a lot
of decisions that they make, because the quarterback position specifically
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is going to be one where you know, he hasn't
been on this side of things. You know, he was
the goat, so everyone was dying to have a guy
like him, and now he's on the other side where
you have to realize that very similar to every single
coach that was a Bill Belichick disciple, and even Bill
Belichick after Tom Brady, that life with Tom Brady as
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your quarterback is very different than life with every other quarterback.
Now there's other, you know, exceptions that there's there's Patrick
mahomes Is, josh Alla, Lamar Jackson, you know, you go
down the list, Joe Burrow. Those are the franchise quarterbacks.
But those guys aren't gonna be able to hit the
free agent market. They're not getting to you if you
can't get them in the draft. As you're pointing out,
you're not You're usually never able to find that guy
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unless you're a unicorn like Tom Brady and they find
in the sixth round. So we can say, well, it's
a three quarterback draft. Maybe there's you know that that
Tom Brady waiting there. You know, who knows if Tom's
watching film and looking at these guys saying this is
a guy I really like. Maybe he's the third fourth
round projection. Maybe that's where they're gonna take him.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Can I ask you this? Can I jump in there
I ask you this?
Speaker 5 (17:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (17:40):
How many times do you think if a coach or
an evaluator doesn't see what you're talking about. Do they
get lost? Is that like is that a thing you
get lost? Like this could have been a player that
ended up being Tom Brady, but he's sitting at home,
you know, building a family and doing finance or doing
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construction or something to that effect. Like how often do
you think that happens that you just don't see a
Tom Brady? Cause Tom and he was in my draft.
Speaker 5 (18:14):
We saw it.
Speaker 8 (18:16):
The people who played against them, we saw it saw
you know, if the right if Belichick and those guys
don't see him, I mean, it doesn't it never happens.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
It never was.
Speaker 5 (18:28):
Well yeah, and that's why I would actually push back
and say, like what did you see when you're saying
you saw it? Like it wasn't like he had an
illustrious college career, right.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
But when we played against him, the things he was doing,
like we saw it. The dude was pretty He did
some pretty phenomenal things and some pretty big moments of games,
is what I'd say. He's always been that guy that
came up with the big plays and came up with
the timely moments that you know, got them through.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
We saw it, like I had to see it firsthand.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
We had them by what ten ten points I believe,
with like eight minutes left in a game, something to
that effect. Do march them down boom boom, Marcus Night
over to middle Boom boom, Marcus Night over to middle
and and they beat us. And our defense was pretty
sick that year, like we've seen him flash moments of greatness.
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But back to my point.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
Because my quick answer is is no, not really, because
most of those guys are going to take the opportunity
to at least put their name in there and put
their name out there. I mean, Kirk Cousins was a
guy that you know. I remember a quarterback coach telling
me when he had sat in on the interview with him,
he was gonna go to med school like that was
that was like if I don't go play quarterback, like
I don't want to go to become a doctor. And
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there's some guys who are like kind of turned off
by that, because again we always seeing that this time
of year, you want guys who want football only in
their life, like they don't want anything else. And I
think that's part of the reason why people will have
had taken issue with Shad or Sanders because they feel
like maybe it's not all about ball, it's about something else,
or at least that's been kind of the perspective maybe
out there. So I just I think for Tom Brady,
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it wasn't so much that, like you know, you guys
saw other people didn't they did.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
He got drafted.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
He just got drafted a spot that was later because
of you know, his tools and fundamentals at that point
and what he was working with. It wasn't Josh Allen's arm,
It wasn't Lamar Jackson's athleticism, right, like all those things.
It wasn't you know, Patrick Mahomes's arm, and so those
things didn't you know, really show out.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
You go from being that what you're saying, to the
greatest to ever play it, Like, how does that work?
Speaker 2 (20:40):
You know what I mean? Like he didn't have the
most anything. I know.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
I think it's the right situation, circumstance. And I think
it's also combined with that, you know that the right
coach is part of that, the right development is part
of that. I mean, there's no doubt he had talent ability.
He got drafted in the NFL. It's not saying he didn't,
but go go back to Michigan and asked him why
they kept going back and forth between him Drew Henson. Yeah,
he was a clearly Michigan god. Drew Henson was just
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as talented.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Well, he was the starter.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
It was the starter, So that was I just I'm
just it's a curious question in terms of like, all right,
a lot of Hall of Famers if you look at them,
they're undrafted, you know what I mean, Like you look
at guys that have had really successful careers, they're like
not high draft picks.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
And I just wonder, like, how does that? How does
that work?
Speaker 4 (21:28):
How do you go from you're in a draft where
guys are rated so highly and go so high in
the draft and you don't end up having they don't
even come cis.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
Let's play a game. How many Hall of Famers do
you actually think are undrafted in the NFL? The Pro
Football Hall fan?
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Oh, it's zzy what do you got Jonas three and
a half.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
It's more than three and a half. I'm not sure
how you got.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
A half there? How many Hall of Famers are there?
Speaker 5 (21:57):
Like for eight Hall of Famers, two hundred and seventy eight,
like ten, there's actually twenty two twenty two, But that
represents not even eight percent.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
Twenty two is a lot to be I mean, isn't
for the Hall of Fame? Twenty two is a lot?
I mean, how many of those? Well, I would probably
be a deeper.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Due if it's a guy who didn't have the illustrious
college career but came to the NFL and had a
good quality career, isn't that kind of evident to well,
he was in a great situation, something that was going
to work with him, that was more conducive to developing
his talent more so than maybe he had in college.
Because like Arion Foster, Aaron Foster had a good NFL career,
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I don't know, he didn't start like he wasn't a
starter Tennessee.
Speaker 5 (22:44):
He eventually did. He eventually did. We played against him
like he had a year where he did. But to
your point, like it was he was in the practice
squad for.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Like three years, Like didn't Derrick Henry. I don't know
how much Derrick Henry played earlier, and especially not Tennessee
well because.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
They had a whole bunch of guys.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
Though, by the way, fourteen of the this is what
I'm reading, at least online. Of the eighty eight first
overall picks in the NFL draft haven't been inducted into
the Pro Football Hall of Fame, So not first round picks,
just the first overall pick fourteen, which is out of
eighty eighty eight, which is obviously a higher percentage.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
How about that?
Speaker 4 (23:25):
Yeah, but out of eighty eight. I mean, if you
think about it.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Lot that's high.
Speaker 5 (23:30):
That's higher than eight percent.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
It's not a lot sixteen percent.
Speaker 5 (23:35):
Yeah, it's actually double that if you have the number more.
There's been more first overall picks that have made the
Hall of Fame than guys in totality.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
That have undrafted.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
Well, yeah, I think twenty two for being undrafted is
way different.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
If you go number one.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
I'm like, I'm thinking you should go to the Hall
of Fame that the percentage should be. I you're considered
to be the best of the best out of all
of them.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Yeah, But isn't it you're also getting drafted more than
likely to build as correct team.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
The interesting thing is that the league is actually comprised
of about one third of undrafted free agents. That's that's
actually if you've made up like the entire league in
the roster it's about thirty percent. So yeah, eight I
guess less than eight percent of thirty percent. I mean
you have to look at the numbers. But it doesn't
take anything away from it. It's just saying typically, you know,
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there's a battle either way. Like the one thing about
being undrafted you have an advantage is you might find
yourself in a better situation to a right, Whereas if
you're the first overall pick or first round pick, you
can go to a really bad team. You have to
build that up.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
You got way less roun you have no runway as
a free agent. That's the only thing you got to
make it through. Like that's like that, you know, trying
to go fertilize the egg, like you fighting a losing battle. Yeah,
I mean, like if you think about it, you fight
just not go to be easy to get on a
roster you're undrafted. Like how many positions I know we're late,
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but how many position groupings are?
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Really?
Speaker 4 (25:05):
Like how many open spots on a roster in the
NFL do you have going into any given season? Like,
really do you have? It's going to be.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
It's a good question. Yeah, it's not going to be many.
Speaker 5 (25:18):
I do know this. Zach Morner just retired. First beout
Hall of Famer.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
YEP, so that's correct. He's a Dome or too. I
don't know if you know what what draft pick was he.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Just first round? Was it sixteen?
Speaker 4 (25:31):
I would just I would expect that if you go
number one, or if you go in the first round,
that you're supposed to have. Your trajectory should be to
be a Hall of Fame player.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Yeah. Well, this is a Hall of Fame show. I
got that.
Speaker 6 (25:46):
Today.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
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Speaker 3 (26:00):
We've got a touchy situation in the NFC involving the
Seattle Seahawks. DK Metcalf and the Seahawks have been trying
to figure out whether or not they could get something done.
They've also considered, okay, we got to make a move,
or we're going to make a deal, and then DK
Metcalf just officially requested a trade yesterday from the team,
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which is interesting. He's got no guaranteed money left, he's
on the final year of his deal, set to make
eighteen million dollars. But the problem the Seahawks have with
the whole thing is the fact that yesterday they also
released Tyler Lockett, and so they were upset that Dk
Metcalf released this information publicly his announcement that he wanted to.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Trade out the team on.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
The same day, hold on the same day they wanted
to celebrate the ten year career old. Which is hilarious
to me that they're the ones that cut Tyler Lockett.
But it's DK Metcalf who should have the heart to know. Hey, man,
at least give it to you. Tell us after we
celebrate Tyler.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
You cut him, not him. He came back.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
I didn't cut Tyler Lockett.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
I never.
Speaker 5 (27:17):
I will never forget the story a player told me
of how he was cut by the Seahawks.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
I can't.
Speaker 5 (27:25):
I'm not going to say who it was. But he
was at a wedding and he was in the he
was in the he was one of the grooms men.
And so it's that time of year and it's terrible.
I don't want to laugh about it because obviously, like
this is someone's dream, it's their job. I really like
this guy, great guy, good player, and I'll never forget.
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He got the call, and he couldn't really hear him because,
you know, all we could hear in the background was winding,
like wind and stuff in the back.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
He's like, Hey, yeah, it's me. Can you hear me?
Speaker 5 (28:04):
And he's like yeah, He's like, what are you doing?
It's like, I'm at I'm in a wedding. We're about
about where you going on the aisle, Like what's going on?
Speaker 9 (28:14):
He's like, yeah, hold on, my wife's driving the boat, babe,
bebe you know pull you know, God, we're gonna crash. Hey,
We're gonna have to let you go. He's like, I
gotta We'll call you back. I gotta all right, bebe God,
I gotta go. But yeah, we're gonna have to let
you go.
Speaker 5 (28:33):
Click.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
That's cold blooded. That's cold blooded on the boat, cold blooded.
Speaker 5 (28:43):
Like had to apparently make the call and make that
decision at that moment, And and the poor guy now
has to digest this, put his cell phone in the pocket,
swallows pride, put on a happy face for the bride
and groom right for there, like one of the most
special days of their lives. And meanwhile, it's one of
the worst days in his professional life.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
And I just said, God, that's bad timing, but we.
Speaker 9 (29:11):
Gotta let you go.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
But good luck to you man, good gotta go. Did
he ever hear back from that?
Speaker 6 (29:19):
No?
Speaker 2 (29:19):
So that was it. That was the final time.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
Yeah, rough, I mean, which one is worse though, that
taking place or it playing out over heart knocks on
you know on national television.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
That one's worse because was gonna be fine no matter
what ye or you mean just in general, you don't
know who the player is.
Speaker 5 (29:42):
He ended up he ended up signing somewhere else. I
don't know how long he played after that, but yeah,
I mean the good thing was the timing of year
that they did it. It allowed him to be able
to get on another team, Uh, to go elsewhere.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
So babe, we're gonna have to.
Speaker 5 (29:59):
Let you go.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
But uh, I mean, well you may let me go,
like as in, let's get off the phone and talk later,
or what do you mean? Like I would have been
trying to like, what do you may let me go?
Speaker 2 (30:11):
I would have just I would have played.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
I would have just assumed he was talking about his
wife and just showing up at practice at the facility
the next day, just been like, all right, we're good here.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Right, that's awful. What a terrible getting rid of me?
That's not that easy.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
Why is LeVar sitting down in his uh his locker,
uh that is his previous locker. Like what he said,
he ain't going Oh he said he ain't ready to
be done yet.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
By the way, how about the how about how much
the wide receiver market has jumped. Three years ago, Dk
Metcalf got eighteen million a year and now Justin Jefferson's
getting thirty five Chris three years. So if you're Jamar Chase,
you're looking at that going, that's not bad now that
your hair, you know, But it's that's that's been a journey, right,
(31:00):
Like just Jamar should have probably got his deal done
lest this last offseason, right, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
Shouldn't have extended him this last off season. So, I mean,
it hasn't come without It's it's stress, you know. But
now that you're you're in this moment, it's it's definitely
got to be exciting when you get to a point
of where, Okay, I played well enough to be able
to to say I can command these type of dollars that.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
They didn't get injured, had a monster year.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
I think it's funny DK Metcalf thinking the same exact
thing though, you know, like let me go try to
go get that jump too, Like I got that a team,
but let me go get.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
That jump because Green Bay has been the team that's
that's been the one that I would not be shocked
if that happens.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
I would not be shocked. That's that's that's what's been
being reported and being pushed out there. But I mean,
if they if they were able to bring in a
DK Metcalf and Watson is able to stay healthy along
with what else they got, they got what one two
more receivers as well that are like two receivers like
tweens of being one. I mean, that is a that's
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a stut Ley team bro. I mean, DK metcaff may
put them over the top.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
I don't know when Christian Watson's gonna be back because
he suffered that last game of the regular season the
knee injury, so he had to get surgery.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
He had to get a surgery procedure.
Speaker 5 (32:20):
Now, I was just gonna say, by the way, is
that an indictment basically on the Christian Watson draft pick
and everything else? Because and not saying I mean, no
one's the size of DK Metcalf, but if you looked
at why they drafted Christian Watson.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
The same type of body type.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
Yeah, and just straight in speed. Like those guys were
both viewed as we need someone who can attack, you know,
downfield and who's got the type of forty time type
of speed we're looking for to create big plays. Both
those guys were it, and at this point with Watson,
he just has not been almost stay healthy. I know
drops was a bit of an issue too, and it's unfortunate,
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but that's what happen weapons. You know, you get a
window of time and if you can't stay healthy, that's
going to be a problem. So it's kind of almost
a little inclination as to how they're feeling probably about
Christian Watson if they do or or are able to
get DK Metcalf, because now you're looking at a hell
of a wide receiver corp for Jordan Love.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
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Speaker 3 (33:39):
It's another Thursday tradition. He is Albert Breer, Senior NFL reporter,
lead content strategist at the MMQB, the star of Amazon's
Thursday night NFL coverage, and you can get him on
X at Albert Breer AB Good Morning.
Speaker 6 (33:53):
How we feeling I'm good, guys, feeling good.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
Curious the decision to not franchise tag Sam Darnold and
then some of the reports that have come out that
they would be open to a short term deal with him.
How likely is that or is that your smoke?
Speaker 6 (34:11):
I mean, I think that there's a there's a good
likelihood of it. They'd like them back, and you know,
I think that, you know, after everything that JJ McCarthy
went through in twenty twenty four and kind of where
he's at going in twenty twenty five, I do feel
like they want an insurance policy at the very least
at the position. And I think they think they owe
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it to their team too, you know. I this isn't
like a rebuilding team. This is a group that won
fourteen games last year, And you know, how do you
you know, look your veteran players, You're justin Jefferson's, you're
Christian Dearisaws, You're you're Andrew Van Ginkels, You're you're you're
Jonathan Garnard's. How do you look those guys in the
face if you don't give them everything that you possibly
(34:53):
can to try to win a championship next year? You know,
they don't care about your three year plan. So you know,
I think they're gonna make an effort to try to
get Sam Darnold done. Obviously, there are limits to how
far they're willing to go to sign Sam. Otherwise, you
know if there if there weren't those limits, they would
have they were just tagged him and taking them off
the market. But I know the hope is that they
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can find some some sort of middle ground and and
get a deal done and get one done that'll that'll
keep Sam in there as their starter. But but but
but also give them flexibility going forward. And you know,
a while card of course there being is there a
team that is willing to hand him a starting job
for the next two or three years. If that team's
out there, obviously that changes things.
Speaker 5 (35:36):
Oh, Albert just curious, was there not really much of
a market? I mean, I would think that if you
could cash in. The Raiders have a lot of cap space.
We talked about the Giants maybe being you know, willing
to And it's a little bit ironic that that report
comes out that a top seven quarterback coach in this draft.
(35:57):
Uh makes some comments.
Speaker 6 (35:58):
Very very very very vic number there.
Speaker 5 (36:01):
Yeah, just whoever said like, well, I don't know why
I had to say top seven, Like why not to
say top ten? You know, it's just anyway, the point is,
like the Jets another team that I don't think they're
looking for a reunion, but they need a quarterback. Is
you leaving some money on the table if he stays
with Minnesota?
Speaker 6 (36:16):
Yeah, I mean I think that there's gonna be I
think there's gonna be interest out there. Like I certainly
think the Raiders that kick tires on him. I think
he's a fit for Chip Kelly's offense in different ways.
You know. I think the Giants, if they wind up
not landing, wind up landing Aaron Rodgers. That's the interesting
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thing about all of this, Brady, is that it's sort
of unpredictable how the seats are going to fill up,
you know, next week. And you know, I mean for
that matter, like at what point does Aaron Rodgers actually
get cut? And at what point is he actually free?
You know, like because that hasn't happened yet, So you know,
I think there's obviously some interplay in the way that
all of this goes. Pittsburgh's out there, Cleveland out there,
(37:01):
you know, the Kirk Cousins thing is still you know,
I think, like very uncertain, and you know, how long
did the Falcons hold on to him? You know, it's
there's going to be like I think a little bit
of like a poker game with these teams where it's like,
you know, there might be a guy we like more
over here, or maybe we like a guy in the draft,
but we can't be certain we're going to get him,
so that we take the bird in the hand. And
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I think Sam Donold's part of that bigger game. Now
if you were to leave Minnesota, I sort of had
the Raiders circled as a team that maybe brings them in,
and I think Sam for the Raiders could be for
Pete Carroll in that group, maybe like what Alex Smith
was for for for for Andy Reid in Kansas City.
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You know where you can compete with him? You can
you can you can probably be a playoff team with him,
and and he can find he can buy you time
to to to find a phona fide long term guy.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
I like to kind of follow up on that we
had to ab yesterday on the show about how should
Minnesota be viewing Sam Darnold And I heard you mentioned
comeback as the starter. Then that means you got to
pay him starter's money right now. If you got to
pay him starters money, then what impact does that have
(38:19):
on JJ McCarthy and what his future looks like? And
looking at it from the perspective of comes back healthy
is able to play, but isn't starting. But say Sam
Donald doesn't prove out, you're clearly probably going to go
with your your high draft pick and try to get
him involved. I guess it is it okay to do
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that because he's on his rookie contract, Like it's not.
You know, it's feasible to think that you can still
have him sitting out because you don't have to deal
with any of the financial ramifications in that manner.
Speaker 6 (38:55):
Yeah, I think what's fascinating about this one? LeVar is like,
I think it all depends on what context JJ McCarthy
comes or uh that Sam Donald will come back under? Right,
Like what is how does the contract read? Does his
contract have a fully guaranteed money into twenty twenty six
or twenty twenty seven? You know what promises if they
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made to Sam, where are they telling JJ? You know
in that case it's JJ being told you have to
wait one year or two years or there's not a
lot of certainly on one year going to be our starter.
You know, I think all that you know could affect
the way that JJ handles is going forward. And I think,
you know, looking at the way JJ's year went is
an important piece of this too. And they have confidence
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in him and he like played well over the summer
to the point where, you know, it opened up a
conversation internally like is this guy going to start for
us at some point this year? Then he gets hurt,
Then he has the second surgery which is more of
a cleanup, but he lost a bunch of weight, and
you know, so like then you look at that and
you're saying, okay, like where is he going to be
(39:59):
at when we go to OTA's he lost four months
at development time. Now he was in the meetings and
he did travel with the team over the last couple
of months of the year, but as he where he
needs to be from a development standpoint, and like even
if he is, you're still sort of projecting that, you
know what I mean. And I think that that's where
like the makeup of the team really comes into play,
(40:20):
where it's that's a fourteen win team. So if you're
Kevin O'Connell, is it easy for you to look at
your look to your locker room and say, yes, like
this is our quarterback going forward, or you need to
give you know, you need to give your team a
better answer than chess JJ McCarthy. And I think that's
like the open question here. I think they're comfortable that
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he's going to be the quarterback of the future. I
just you know, I don't know if they feel like
it's the right thing right now, like for their team
to go in chess with JJ and a backup and
nothing else. And so I think even if it's not Sam,
I could certainly see them like bringing back Daniel Jones
right to at least give them a safety net if
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if things don't work out early on.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
With JJ, he's Abrobrier, Amazon NFL on Prime Insider, Senior
NFL reporter, lead content Strategies at the MMQB, joining us
here on Fox Sports Radio AB the Shador Sanders Discussion.
It feels like every year or every other year, there's
a prospect that we come away from the combine and
there starts to be some daggers thrown at him, you know,
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different reports he was you know.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
Aloo for arrogant or whatever the terminology was.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
What did you hear from people and what have you
heard about their perception and reaction to Shador's behavior, the
way he spoke at the combine and sort of how
that could impact his draft statage.
Speaker 6 (41:41):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I don't know that
anybody was done. I think everybody knows, like you know,
who should do or is? You know, And I think
a lot of like a lot of a lot of
like who should do or is shows up on tape.
He's tough, he's smart, like he he's savvy, and I
think he knows what he's doing and carrying himself the
way he is, Like, I don't think he's doing anything
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by mistake you know, like so you know, I like,
I think what they're seeing as a guy who is
very much you know, the son of his father, you know,
so to speak, and like in a lot of ways,
like I think there is a feeling that he might
want to manute feel like the process a little bit.
Now that said, I think the bigger question is is
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he a good enough prospect to do that? Right? Like
and so, like I said, he has those qualities you want,
which is smart and tough, He's he's got good instincts
for the position and all that. But how big an
arm does he have? How great an athlete is he?
Those are open questions. And I think that that's where
over the last few weeks at least, like, as I've
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talked to more people, and I'm not saying this just happens,
just as I'm doing my research, I've sort of starting
to get the feeling that there's more of a gap
between Cam and Schaduur physically and with the ceiling than
some people might realize. And if you're a team picking
at the top and you're in the AFC, if you're
like Tennessee, if you're if you're Cleveland, do you look
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at it and say to ever get to the to
the level where you know, the Chiefs are with Mahomes,
the Thills are with Allen, the Ravens are with Lamar,
the Bengals are with Joe, Like we have to have
a we have to have a quarterback in here, who's
you know, got the ceiling to get there? And I
think that's a bigger question now is should do or
more than how he carries himself or how those meetings go.
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I think the bigger question with him is like where
is the ceiling? And I don't know if the ceiling
is in a place where, you know, if you're an
AFC team, you feel comfortable taking him in the top five.
Speaker 5 (43:42):
Albert, I'm kind of curious just listening to talk about
all this, what factor, if at all, would would deon
Sanders play and and and why I bring us up is,
you know, he's a bigger than life personality and brand
everything else that goes along with that. You know he's
going to be I don't want to say outspoken, but
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he's going to be asked about He's gonna speak publicly.
And I commented before about wanting to coach his son
like that that's the only way he's gonna leave Calorinde
is coach his.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
Son in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (44:14):
You know, if Shador is being drafted by one of
these teams, they're most likely a team that's struggled. It's
most likely a team that could potentially be find their
coach in a year or two, and it would create
an opening, Like is there any concern like from that
angle of things?
Speaker 10 (44:30):
I mean maybe I don't know, Like I I tend
to think this way about it, right, Brady, Like, like,
first of all, like if he falls on draft day,
buckle up, you.
Speaker 6 (44:41):
Know what I mean. Like, I mean like then all
of a sudden, we'll have like what I think is
you know, really kind of like a black draft on
the year, like get all the drama anybody would ever want,
because you know, if he starts slipping, if he somehow
slips into Friday, like I think, you know, you could
see some craziness. That said, I I still think he
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I still think Dean wants what's best for his kid,
and I think like, and you've been around that program.
I think both of you guys have right, like and Brady,
you guys you know for the show have been there
a bunch Deon's like sort of an old school coach, like,
and people don't realize it because all the flash. And
I do think he has old school values and I
do think he wants what's best for his kid, and
(45:28):
so like, you know, like I think he's going to
be out there ahead of the draft, but I just
have a hard time seeing where like he's going to
be a huge disruption once his kid gets the NFL.
I sort of look a look at it, like Archie
and Eli, you know what I mean, Like, like Archie,
you know, when when that was going on in oh four,
(45:48):
there was a lot of noise about like are you
inheriting the whole family when you when you draft Eli
because the way that they handle the free draft process,
and you know, really for the Mannings, that was about
trying to create the best situation for Eli. And then
once he was in that situation, like you didn't hear
much from Archie at all after that, you know, So
I think, you know, could beyond like pull some strengths
(46:10):
to try to get Shador in the right situation. Yes,
but I sort of view this as like an Archie
Manning thing, whereas like if it is the right situation,
that Chador goes to, then I think he would probably
be relatively hands off.
Speaker 4 (46:25):
How feasible is it to think that it could be
the Raiders that Shador Sanders ends up going to.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
And I mean, obviously looking at it from.
Speaker 4 (46:34):
The perspective of the relationship between Tom Brady and Shador.
If people don't know the background on that or even
the idea of how much this team is in need
of someone that can lift the tide, raise the tide,
or move the needle for them at that position, how
feasible is it to think that if if Shador fell
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to six or would a team like the Race Readers
try to move up to ensure that they're going to
get your door within that period of time.
Speaker 6 (47:06):
Sure, well, first of all, the people who don't know
you know, like that that is that that that relationship exists,
that that Tom Brady shud I know how at least
like a texting relationship. So like that's in place, and
like so I think that there's some good background that
Brady can you know, help his new GM John spy
Tech and his new his new coach Pete Carroll with right,
(47:29):
Like so like that sort of gives you a baseline
that you're working off of. But I I don't think,
like you know, I don't think you're going to see
interference from above on the evaluation here on on on
sure and I and I think that's part of the
promise that Tom Brady gave to you know, his new
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GM and his new coach and to all the people
who interviewed there, was that like some of these existing
conditions with the Raiders aren't going to exist anymore, and
that Brady is going to Brady's going to be able
to insulate the people there in a way that's going
to allow them to do their jobs at the highest
level possible. In fact, like I would tell you this,
like in November and December, you know, with some of
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the people that were there, you know, when Tom's let's
go and Antonio Pierce, like there was like I mean,
pretty strong rumors out there that like those guys were
going to be under a mandate to spend the first
round pick on a quarterback, and that like it was
going to be a little bit like Indianapolis a couple
of years ago, where come hell or high water, you
got to come out of the drop of the quarterback.
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I think like some of the fear of that was
relieved a little bit for some people who were interviewing
there by Tom Brady saying these things that he's going
to insulate the football people from ownership on some of
that stuff. And so I think John spypech and and
Pete Carroll is going to be able to do an
awest evaluation as you do her. And and if they
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think they think he's worthy of the sixth pick, great,
If they think he's worthy of a trade up, great.
If they don't think he's worthy of the six pick,
then you know, maybe they spend the pick on something else.
I think that's the way that, at least for right now,
I would look at it. And that, to me, I
think would be Tom Brady living up to his promise
when when those guys went through the process, Abe, uh.
Speaker 3 (49:16):
We've got to close soon, but we got thirty seconds
surprise move, surprise trade to watch for something you're hearing
before free agency starts next week.
Speaker 6 (49:30):
Yeah, I mean, I think you're going to hear like
more Like I think as far as just the the
guys asking for trades like DK Metcalf like that, Like
those sorts of things will kind of shake out over
the course the next you know, over the next few days,
and I'm probably ahead of free agency. That's when those
guys want to get out there because that's when they're
the most money is available, you know. I think you're
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going to have a very small, like elite class, and
a lot of those guys, you know, I think they'd
come off the market. So Trey Smith's already been taking
off the market. Ronnie Stanley the Ravens are working to
take him off the market. Zach Bond was taking off
the market by the Eagles. So I think you're going
to see some names you're may be less familiar with
that are going to get the big paydays. Like Milton
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Williams from the Eagles. I don't know how many people
are familiar with him, but he's a really good player,
Like he'll get paid. Javon holl In, the safety from
the from the Dolphins, he'll get paid, you know. And
then there are some names like I'm going to butcher
Dio the Indian Indianapolis pass rushers last name dio in
ying Bo. I think it's his last name, but I
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think what was the name dio odin ying Bo. I
don't want to butcher the name but okay, well, Drew Dolman,
the center from the Falcons, could get a nice deal.
So I think it's it's just if you look at it, guys,
it's it's interesting because this isn't a great year to
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have a high draft pick, and this isn't a great
year to be looking to spend like twenty million per
year free agent. And I think a huge part of
that is because the CAP's gone up so much most teams,
if you really want to keep a guy, can afford
to keep guys. You know, that's just the reality of it,
So you know, it'll be interesting. I do think that
there are there are some there There are some guys
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going into contract years or are closing in on the
end of the rookie deals at the receiver position, where
you know, like what are the commanders give Terry McLaurin,
you know, where's you know, Garrett wilsonatt with the new
staff with the Jets, you know, like, are they willing
to pay him twenty five to thirty million dollars a year?
Some of those questions I think will come up in
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the coming weeks, whether or not those like result and
anybody asking for a trade or anything like that it's
too early to tell.
Speaker 2 (51:44):
I think that's going to be fun.
Speaker 6 (51:46):
AB.
Speaker 2 (51:46):
We know you're busy.
Speaker 3 (51:47):
We appreciate it now.
Speaker 2 (51:48):
We'll do it again next week.
Speaker 6 (51:50):
Thanks one.
Speaker 3 (51:51):
There is great Alba Brae and get him on X
at Albert Brier
He's the best of two pros and a couple. Joe
with Lamar rings, Rady Winn and Jonas Knox on radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
You know you smell great. Thank you, thank you. I
don't notice it anything. Thank you appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
So for what it's worth, anybody out there, you can
keep those jokes to yourselves.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
That's all good man. You know.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
I got skunked is what it is. But he did
it again last night too. He sprayed. Yeah, I don't
know what he sprayed, but it was in the air.
He's out, he's out, he's out there. He's he's out
there taking names.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Bro. I smelt it last night. Like, yep, there you
go again. Somebody's got to get him, because somebody's gonna
have to get him.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Man, there's got to be like an arch rival animal
of a skunk that doesn't mind the smell.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
Coyote, Yeah, coyote will take coyote, take him on. Yeah,
go ahead and get him. Oh yeah, even with to smell.
If he could get that, get get through, you know,
go ahead and get him.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Throw a couple of ribbys in the backyard.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
That I know. This is what I know.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
They got about a couple more months before my dude
starts hiking his leg up and and now that skunk
will have forever been the reason why mister stixx ain't
playing around. If you come up in there, that's you know,
they traumatized him, man. Yeah, it's a it's a real shame.
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And uh again the warning has been sent. If you
are in the Redondo Beach area and you see a
skunk walking around, look like he just took a body,
he will get to you. Gonna be the next one up. Yeah,
Cereal cereal sprayer and take his got a Cereal spraying
skunk loose and Redondo they will put his put his
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face up on on on the local post office.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
That the the police department most wants.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
I think I've heard that you can smell a skunk
from like two miles away, bro.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
Like I said, what you smell when you smell a skunk,
There's a difference when it hits you. There's a different
smell to it when it hits you.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
And then the other problem is we got rain, Yes,
yeah we did.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
And I had to leave him out and I felt
so bad for him. I felt bad for him, man,
because he had to be outside. You saw where he
was out fetch times. He sitting out the door like, damn,
dog's gonna leave me out here in the rain.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Huh, just sitting down there getting soaked.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
You got wet dog and skunk.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
And what I mean, I washed him enough now that
I mean, he still smells bad. He still smells pretty bad.
And he got it good, like he got it worse
than what like he got it. He got it the
worst because it's I can smell it on his mouth,
like it's in his breath like it's it's it's like
he got bad. It had been like almost like point
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blank range. That that's skunk hitting. Yeah, so you know,
let's see what happens. But he's smelling better now, that's
that's the good thing. He smells better. Yeah, are you
smelling better?
Speaker 2 (03:12):
I'm not. I think I'm alright. It's great.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Yeah, I think I'm alright. I mean i'm hoodied up.
I got sweats on, so I think I'm alright. It'd
be like having you know what I mean, Like it's
underneath my hood.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
So did you put on some mambo like Jonas would do?
Speaker 2 (03:27):
No? I did not. I put enough on for two
So you know you can't anything.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
That's what Chopper would do.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
It's not a skunk in the vicinity that's going to
get through this force field. Dang yeah, yeah, that's why
did you see that?
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Because he's spraying and stuff. That's that. That's that vampire.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
I mean, you could do the thing where you sprayed
in the air and then spin in a circle and
have the mist drop down.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
On your back as well too, Or you could do
it like Spice Adams and just put half of the
bottle on you at one time, one of those guys
the whole thing. Just keep going a little much wit
Jonny's real quick. Do the sound of the clone bottle?
Now do the Spencer rattler sound? I mean they are different,
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are they? They sound very good?
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Again? All right? Now do the spray.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
I guess one is like one like a two parts,
and then the other one is like what three four
part three?
Speaker 5 (04:32):
They sound the exact same.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Yeah, normally I go one spray, but I you know,
I was looking out for you, So that's why I like, listen,
I take care of it.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
Just spray twice. Go it all right? Now, give me
the rattler. It is the same thing. God, dang it.
Cue he's so unoriginal.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
I mean, I was really hoping Jonahs would bring out
something different, but I don't know. Next thing, you know,
you'll talk about his dead dog again.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
And what I am?
Speaker 3 (04:55):
You know, and the dog is dead. He's been dead
for a long time, you know. And I'm not the
only one who's had a dog die on this show.
We go ahead and keep the guns in our holster.
Please here on this beautiful Thursday morning.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
Come in with I'll say, now he's getting a little
bit idle? Can we can we be friends?
Speaker 6 (05:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Damn, hey, welcome in and a cup of jo goad day.
He at least that's something we got in common. What
is this w on w crow going? Right now? What's
what's the deal we got that feel uncomfortable? Right now?
Speaker 3 (05:30):
I got something's gonna make you feel comfortable though. Defensive
players in the NFL getting paid getting rewarded by their
own team, whether it's Zach Bond of the Eagles Max
Crosby of the Raiders getting paid. In the case of Crosby, uh,
this is history if you believe what Adam Schefter sent
out yesterday and discussing the deal. Max Crosby gets a
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three year, one hundred and six point five million dollar
extension from the Raiders, ninety one and a half of
it guaranteed for him, and it makes him the highest
paid non quarterback in NFL history.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
How long is that going to last? How long is
that distinction going to last?
Speaker 5 (06:10):
Probably a couple of weeks.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
Yeah, Michah, Yeah, I'm so happy for Micah when I
saw when I saw the details in her, I was like, Micah,
God leave bro from Harrisburg to the high life.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Bruh.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Who so happy for him? Man, I saw that contract,
I was like, yep, highest paid. Huh, you're gonna have
to hear and new undisputed. Yeah, but but I'm happy
for Max Crosby too, And I'm happy for defenders, you know,
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I'm happy.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Hell yeah, what what do you mean? Oh for Max?
Speaker 6 (06:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (06:53):
I mean, I mean it was close to both, but
you know, but hey, we'll take Max.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
That's fine, We'll take Yeah, I don't know. Max is
more on our side. Man, up top? That up top? Max? Wait? Second,
all right, you're gonna cli Max. We're taking Zach and Max? Yeah?
How are you taking Zach? We're taking both of them?
Speaker 5 (07:14):
Why why not?
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Up tops?
Speaker 6 (07:17):
That?
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Yeah, taking both of them? So they said, wait, why
are you taking Zach, Yeah, because.
Speaker 5 (07:23):
He can play boy.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Hey, why are you taking one of ours?
Speaker 5 (07:27):
Are you taking?
Speaker 6 (07:27):
What?
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Don't you have enough?
Speaker 3 (07:31):
John spy Tech, the GM, the Raters, UH spoke yesterday
at the news conference announcing the extension of Crosby and
talked about what went behind the decision.
Speaker 7 (07:40):
I think Coach and I talked a lot about setting
the tone for this new era of Raiders football. And
I can't think of a better person to sit up
here with and reward for what he's done, but with
an expectation of what's you know, coming, and you know,
we want to we want to grow this to a
place that people want to be. And when people like Max,
I mean it's it's no secret it hasn't been sunshine
and roses around here forever. But when he he makes
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a commitment to the Raiders like this, and you know,
he stands for everything Coach and I and this new
staff and everybody talks about, he signs up for it.
I think that that that speaks volumes, and I hope
it's noticed in our locker room. I hope it's noticed
around the league. And you know, our expectation is, you know,
we want people to want to be here. We want
people once they get here to want to stay here,
and so to us, it just made a lot of
sense to get it done.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
So message sent, you know, to Ben Johnson and Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
We may have missed out on you.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
I still kind of want to visit, revisit to Zach Bond,
Like we can't claim Zach.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
We don't have him.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Y'all got him, you know, it's kind of our super
Bowl you think about.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
It, Zach Bond is yours. Y'all gotim up top with
Zach Bond. I mean, I mean, listen, we can art,
we can negotiate. We're willing to negotiate that. But you know, tang,
that's crazy. Y'all just want to take everything. You can't
just be you can't be too.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Good that.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
MaTx Crosby clearly he clearly will will not claim y'all
he's going up top and that's why he got paid
because he brings that soul brother to the table. Bro
when he gets out there on the field, he'd be
out there doing it like a straight homie, like the
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homie got you.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
Okay, yeah, just so y'all know up top for us, Okay.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
We won, We won.
Speaker 5 (09:25):
I would go as far as saying that Max Crosby,
if you just watch the tape and look at his effort,
I don't know that there's anyone who plays the way
he does every single snap. Like when I think about
Tom Brady along with John Spydeck and and everyone else
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is along with it, and Pete Carroll, that is like
he is the glowing example of when you turn on
the tape and you watch him play all it's all
out effort. Now, he's talented, and he's obviously continued to
improve the core course of his career, but there's elements
when you watch him you just say, like, that's how
I want every one of my players playing. And I
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think it's powerful when you pay a guy like that,
because yes, he's, you know, one of the best players
off the edge of the NFL, but it's also the
example that he sets and he's being rewarded for that,
and I think it sends a message to the rest
of the guys like you, you put yourself on tape like
he does, you're gonna get paid like that too at
some point. So big off season for for Max Cross
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because there was a thought, remember last year, weren't people
saying he was frustrated anymore, he wanted to go.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
It was, it was he was teetering on on the
fence of if he wanted to stay or not.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
There was so much in the last couple of weeks
that you know, would he be on the block, Like
would they say, I mean the trade block?
Speaker 4 (10:48):
Okay, yeah, well we do claim him, so I mean,
it could be the block that you're thinking of, Q.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
He might.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
He might be on the block out on the strip
tonight right now while we're in here.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Congrats.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
All I know is this, You're right about the effort
and and he's an effort guy. And he does play
the game the way that that you want him to
play or the way you want him to play.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
The also is a student of the game.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
I mean, if you look at, you know, some of
the chronicles on him and how he's gotten as good
as he's he's you know, has been able to become
It's a lot of attention to detail. And that's something
that I teach to my kid my kids that I
mentor like the details. That's that's how you become great,
is having the mindset, but paying attention to the details
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along with that mindset and Max Crosby has been one
of those guys. You see it in his game, like
the way that that he is able to defeat blockers
and the way that he's able to impact the games.
A lot of it comes from his attention to d
detail his fundamental skills connected with his studying of the game.
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And that's something that you do want your culture to be,
and that is someone you want to reward and that
is a tone that you want to set and listen,
We've always known that that Pete Carroll has been that
type of guy, right if you ask anybody who has
has played for Pete Carroll, I mean outside of maybe
the legion of Boom at the end maybe I don't know,
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but for the most part, they all love them. Going
all the way back to USC, the way he handles
things with the players and the mentality that he brings
to the table, and the culture that he's been able
to build and the places that he's gone, there's no
surprise why he has the type of success that he
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had at the college level and at the pro level.
I'm just interested to see, now this is a great
move for him, you know, to get the best player
on the team signed and happy going to be motivated.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
That's a great start.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
But I'm just really interested to see what this iteration,
what this version of Pete Carroll will be, you know,
assuming that you know he's he's going to handle things
maybe a tack bit differently. He's a little older, maybe
he's learned a few things that he wants to try new.
I'm interested to see what that approach is. But right now,
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that one was a bull's eye with with you know,
the shot that they took on this particular situation.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
I mean, I'd like to see what their plan is.
A quarterback feels like important, a big one. That's a
big move at some point.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
It's a big move.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
But but they're they're kind of in a almost an
a is it is it a tad bit of a
compromised situation because they don't have, like to me, what
what are they in the draft?
Speaker 2 (13:54):
What what pick are they? I doubt there's going to
be a really good.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
Quarterback in the draft if they're not aggressive and trying
to move up.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
That's one.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
If they don't move up and they don't get one
in the draft, which again we said this is I
think we and I defer this, but I think We've
said this is a three three QB draft, so three
of them might be gone by the time the Raiders go.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Who do you get? Who do like?
Speaker 4 (14:22):
What if you bring in Russell Wilson, do you fall
under intense scrutiny? If you trade for Kirk Cousins, what
does that look like? Do you fall in into intense scrutiny?
Do you bring in Sam Darnold? Like, I don't feel
like any guy you're gonna go out there and get
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is a safe bet.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Not even Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
I just feel like there's not a safe bet at
the quarterback's position. So with that being in in the air,
not being a short fire, this is the guy you
gotta get now that Stafford is gone?
Speaker 2 (15:00):
What do you do? What do you do?
Speaker 4 (15:02):
Is there a right answer for that that position group
this year?
Speaker 5 (15:07):
I think if you go back to Pete Carroll and
his time the Sattle Seahawks and the job he did
working with John Schneider, I mean, they were hand in
hand and it seemed like those two had a really
good feel for what they were each looking for, which
is important all the time this time of year. Your
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GM and your head coach have to be working in
unison to understand what the coaching staff is looking for
out of you know, a player for technique, character, attitude,
what they want to coach, and how they're trying that
coach is trying to put together the team right, they'd
take into account different personalities and all that, so you
know they have to be working hand in hand. Well,
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spy Deck now with Pete Carroll, but also Tom Brady
playing a much more active role. That was one of
the things about the Seattle Seahawks is you got the
sense that like, yes, they had some big money, big
name owners, but also at the same time, the owners
didn't meddle in a lot of what they were doing
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and how they were constructing that team. It doesn't appear
like Mark Davis's, but it does appear that to a
degree Tom Brady does. So I'm curious to the relationship
that Tom Brady has with Pete Carroll on a lot
of decisions that they make, because the quarterback position specifically
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is going to be one where you know, he hasn't
been on this side of things. You know, he was
the goat, so everyone was dying to have a guy
like him, and now he's on the other side where
you have to realize that very similar to every single
coach that was a Bill Belichick disciple, and even Bill
Belichick after Tom Brady, that life with Tom Brady as
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your quarterback is very different than life with every other quarterback.
Now there's other, you know, exceptions that there's there's Patrick
mahomes Is, josh Alla, Lamar Jackson, you know, you go
down the list, Joe Burrow. Those are the franchise quarterbacks.
But those guys aren't gonna be able to hit the
free agent market. They're not getting to you if you
can't get them in the draft. As you're pointing out,
you're not You're usually never able to find that guy
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unless you're a unicorn like Tom Brady and they find
in the sixth round. So we can say, well, it's
a three quarterback draft. Maybe there's you know that that
Tom Brady waiting there. You know, who knows if Tom's
watching film and looking at these guys saying this is
a guy I really like. Maybe he's the third fourth
round projection. Maybe that's where they're gonna take him.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Can I ask you this? Can I jump in there
I ask you this?
Speaker 5 (17:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (17:40):
How many times do you think if a coach or
an evaluator doesn't see what you're talking about. Do they
get lost? Is that like is that a thing you
get lost? Like this could have been a player that
ended up being Tom Brady, but he's sitting at home,
you know, building a family and doing finance or doing
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construction or something to that effect. Like how often do
you think that happens that you just don't see a
Tom Brady? Cause Tom and he was in my draft.
Speaker 5 (18:14):
We saw it.
Speaker 8 (18:16):
The people who played against them, we saw it saw
you know, if the right if Belichick and those guys
don't see him, I mean, it doesn't it never happens.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
It never was.
Speaker 5 (18:28):
Well yeah, and that's why I would actually push back
and say, like what did you see when you're saying
you saw it? Like it wasn't like he had an
illustrious college career, right.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
But when we played against him, the things he was doing,
like we saw it. The dude was pretty He did
some pretty phenomenal things and some pretty big moments of games,
is what I'd say. He's always been that guy that
came up with the big plays and came up with
the timely moments that you know, got them through.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
We saw it, like I had to see it firsthand.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
We had them by what ten ten points I believe,
with like eight minutes left in a game, something to
that effect. Do march them down boom boom, Marcus Night
over to middle Boom boom, Marcus Night over to middle
and and they beat us. And our defense was pretty
sick that year, like we've seen him flash moments of greatness.
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But back to my point.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
Because my quick answer is is no, not really, because
most of those guys are going to take the opportunity
to at least put their name in there and put
their name out there. I mean, Kirk Cousins was a
guy that you know. I remember a quarterback coach telling
me when he had sat in on the interview with him,
he was gonna go to med school like that was
that was like if I don't go play quarterback, like
I don't want to go to become a doctor. And
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there's some guys who are like kind of turned off
by that, because again we always seeing that this time
of year, you want guys who want football only in
their life, like they don't want anything else. And I
think that's part of the reason why people will have
had taken issue with Shad or Sanders because they feel
like maybe it's not all about ball, it's about something else,
or at least that's been kind of the perspective maybe
out there. So I just I think for Tom Brady,
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it wasn't so much that, like you know, you guys
saw other people didn't they did.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
He got drafted.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
He just got drafted a spot that was later because
of you know, his tools and fundamentals at that point
and what he was working with. It wasn't Josh Allen's arm,
It wasn't Lamar Jackson's athleticism, right, like all those things.
It wasn't you know, Patrick Mahomes's arm, and so those
things didn't you know, really show out.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
You go from being that what you're saying, to the
greatest to ever play it, Like, how does that work?
Speaker 2 (20:40):
You know what I mean? Like he didn't have the
most anything. I know.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
I think it's the right situation, circumstance. And I think
it's also combined with that, you know that the right
coach is part of that, the right development is part
of that. I mean, there's no doubt he had talent ability.
He got drafted in the NFL. It's not saying he didn't,
but go go back to Michigan and asked him why
they kept going back and forth between him Drew Henson. Yeah,
he was a clearly Michigan god. Drew Henson was just
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as talented.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Well, he was the starter.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
It was the starter, So that was I just I'm
just it's a curious question in terms of like, all right,
a lot of Hall of Famers if you look at them,
they're undrafted, you know what I mean, Like you look
at guys that have had really successful careers, they're like
not high draft picks.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
And I just wonder, like, how does that? How does
that work?
Speaker 4 (21:28):
How do you go from you're in a draft where
guys are rated so highly and go so high in
the draft and you don't end up having they don't
even come cis.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
Let's play a game. How many Hall of Famers do
you actually think are undrafted in the NFL? The Pro
Football Hall fan?
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Oh, it's zzy what do you got Jonas three and
a half.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
It's more than three and a half. I'm not sure
how you got.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
A half there? How many Hall of Famers are there?
Speaker 5 (21:57):
Like for eight Hall of Famers, two hundred and seventy eight,
like ten, there's actually twenty two twenty two, But that
represents not even eight percent.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
Twenty two is a lot to be I mean, isn't
for the Hall of Fame? Twenty two is a lot?
I mean, how many of those? Well, I would probably
be a deeper.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Due if it's a guy who didn't have the illustrious
college career but came to the NFL and had a
good quality career, isn't that kind of evident to well,
he was in a great situation, something that was going
to work with him, that was more conducive to developing
his talent more so than maybe he had in college.
Because like Arion Foster, Aaron Foster had a good NFL career,
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I don't know, he didn't start like he wasn't a
starter Tennessee.
Speaker 5 (22:44):
He eventually did. He eventually did. We played against him
like he had a year where he did. But to
your point, like it was he was in the practice
squad for.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Like three years, Like didn't Derrick Henry. I don't know
how much Derrick Henry played earlier, and especially not Tennessee
well because.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
They had a whole bunch of guys.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
Though, by the way, fourteen of the this is what
I'm reading, at least online. Of the eighty eight first
overall picks in the NFL draft haven't been inducted into
the Pro Football Hall of Fame, So not first round picks,
just the first overall pick fourteen, which is out of
eighty eighty eight, which is obviously a higher percentage.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
How about that?
Speaker 4 (23:25):
Yeah, but out of eighty eight. I mean, if you
think about it.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Lot that's high.
Speaker 5 (23:30):
That's higher than eight percent.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
It's not a lot sixteen percent.
Speaker 5 (23:35):
Yeah, it's actually double that if you have the number more.
There's been more first overall picks that have made the
Hall of Fame than guys in totality.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
That have undrafted.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
Well, yeah, I think twenty two for being undrafted is
way different.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
If you go number one.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
I'm like, I'm thinking you should go to the Hall
of Fame that the percentage should be. I you're considered
to be the best of the best out of all
of them.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Yeah, But isn't it you're also getting drafted more than
likely to build as correct team.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
The interesting thing is that the league is actually comprised
of about one third of undrafted free agents. That's that's
actually if you've made up like the entire league in
the roster it's about thirty percent. So yeah, eight I
guess less than eight percent of thirty percent. I mean
you have to look at the numbers. But it doesn't
take anything away from it. It's just saying typically, you know,
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there's a battle either way. Like the one thing about
being undrafted you have an advantage is you might find
yourself in a better situation to a right, Whereas if
you're the first overall pick or first round pick, you
can go to a really bad team. You have to
build that up.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
You got way less roun you have no runway as
a free agent. That's the only thing you got to
make it through. Like that's like that, you know, trying
to go fertilize the egg, like you fighting a losing battle. Yeah,
I mean, like if you think about it, you fight
just not go to be easy to get on a
roster you're undrafted. Like how many positions I know we're late,
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but how many position groupings are?
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Really?
Speaker 4 (25:05):
Like how many open spots on a roster in the
NFL do you have going into any given season? Like,
really do you have? It's going to be.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
It's a good question. Yeah, it's not going to be many.
Speaker 5 (25:18):
I do know this. Zach Morner just retired. First beout
Hall of Famer.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
YEP, so that's correct. He's a Dome or too. I
don't know if you know what what draft pick was he.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Just first round? Was it sixteen?
Speaker 4 (25:31):
I would just I would expect that if you go
number one, or if you go in the first round,
that you're supposed to have. Your trajectory should be to
be a Hall of Fame player.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Yeah. Well, this is a Hall of Fame show. I
got that.
Speaker 6 (25:46):
Today.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
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Speaker 3 (26:00):
We've got a touchy situation in the NFC involving the
Seattle Seahawks. DK Metcalf and the Seahawks have been trying
to figure out whether or not they could get something done.
They've also considered, okay, we got to make a move,
or we're going to make a deal, and then DK
Metcalf just officially requested a trade yesterday from the team,
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which is interesting. He's got no guaranteed money left, he's
on the final year of his deal, set to make
eighteen million dollars. But the problem the Seahawks have with
the whole thing is the fact that yesterday they also
released Tyler Lockett, and so they were upset that Dk
Metcalf released this information publicly his announcement that he wanted to.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Trade out the team on.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
The same day, hold on the same day they wanted
to celebrate the ten year career old. Which is hilarious
to me that they're the ones that cut Tyler Lockett.
But it's DK Metcalf who should have the heart to know. Hey, man,
at least give it to you. Tell us after we
celebrate Tyler.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
You cut him, not him. He came back.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
I didn't cut Tyler Lockett.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
I never.
Speaker 5 (27:17):
I will never forget the story a player told me
of how he was cut by the Seahawks.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
I can't.
Speaker 5 (27:25):
I'm not going to say who it was. But he
was at a wedding and he was in the he
was in the he was one of the grooms men.
And so it's that time of year and it's terrible.
I don't want to laugh about it because obviously, like
this is someone's dream, it's their job. I really like
this guy, great guy, good player, and I'll never forget.
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He got the call, and he couldn't really hear him because,
you know, all we could hear in the background was winding,
like wind and stuff in the back.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
He's like, Hey, yeah, it's me. Can you hear me?
Speaker 5 (28:04):
And he's like yeah, He's like, what are you doing?
It's like, I'm at I'm in a wedding. We're about
about where you going on the aisle, Like what's going on?
Speaker 9 (28:14):
He's like, yeah, hold on, my wife's driving the boat, babe,
bebe you know pull you know, God, we're gonna crash. Hey,
We're gonna have to let you go. He's like, I
gotta We'll call you back. I gotta all right, bebe God,
I gotta go. But yeah, we're gonna have to let
you go.
Speaker 5 (28:33):
Click.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
That's cold blooded. That's cold blooded on the boat, cold blooded.
Speaker 5 (28:43):
Like had to apparently make the call and make that
decision at that moment, And and the poor guy now
has to digest this, put his cell phone in the pocket,
swallows pride, put on a happy face for the bride
and groom right for there, like one of the most
special days of their lives. And meanwhile, it's one of
the worst days in his professional life.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
And I just said, God, that's bad timing, but we.
Speaker 9 (29:11):
Gotta let you go.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
But good luck to you man, good gotta go. Did
he ever hear back from that?
Speaker 6 (29:19):
No?
Speaker 2 (29:19):
So that was it. That was the final time.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
Yeah, rough, I mean, which one is worse though, that
taking place or it playing out over heart knocks on
you know on national television.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
That one's worse because was gonna be fine no matter
what ye or you mean just in general, you don't
know who the player is.
Speaker 5 (29:42):
He ended up he ended up signing somewhere else. I
don't know how long he played after that, but yeah,
I mean the good thing was the timing of year
that they did it. It allowed him to be able
to get on another team, Uh, to go elsewhere.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
So babe, we're gonna have to.
Speaker 5 (29:59):
Let you go.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
But uh, I mean, well you may let me go,
like as in, let's get off the phone and talk later,
or what do you mean? Like I would have been
trying to like, what do you may let me go?
Speaker 2 (30:11):
I would have just I would have played.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
I would have just assumed he was talking about his
wife and just showing up at practice at the facility
the next day, just been like, all right, we're good here.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Right, that's awful. What a terrible getting rid of me?
That's not that easy.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
Why is LeVar sitting down in his uh his locker,
uh that is his previous locker. Like what he said,
he ain't going Oh he said he ain't ready to
be done yet.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
By the way, how about the how about how much
the wide receiver market has jumped. Three years ago, Dk
Metcalf got eighteen million a year and now Justin Jefferson's
getting thirty five Chris three years. So if you're Jamar Chase,
you're looking at that going, that's not bad now that
your hair, you know, But it's that's that's been a journey, right,
(31:00):
Like just Jamar should have probably got his deal done
lest this last offseason, right, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
Shouldn't have extended him this last off season. So, I mean,
it hasn't come without It's it's stress, you know. But
now that you're you're in this moment, it's it's definitely
got to be exciting when you get to a point
of where, Okay, I played well enough to be able
to to say I can command these type of dollars that.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
They didn't get injured, had a monster year.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
I think it's funny DK Metcalf thinking the same exact
thing though, you know, like let me go try to
go get that jump too, Like I got that a team,
but let me go get.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
That jump because Green Bay has been the team that's
that's been the one that I would not be shocked
if that happens.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
I would not be shocked. That's that's that's what's been
being reported and being pushed out there. But I mean,
if they if they were able to bring in a
DK Metcalf and Watson is able to stay healthy along
with what else they got, they got what one two
more receivers as well that are like two receivers like
tweens of being one. I mean, that is a that's
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a stut Ley team bro. I mean, DK metcaff may
put them over the top.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
I don't know when Christian Watson's gonna be back because
he suffered that last game of the regular season the
knee injury, so he had to get surgery.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
He had to get a surgery procedure.
Speaker 5 (32:20):
Now, I was just gonna say, by the way, is
that an indictment basically on the Christian Watson draft pick
and everything else? Because and not saying I mean, no
one's the size of DK Metcalf, but if you looked
at why they drafted Christian Watson.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
The same type of body type.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
Yeah, and just straight in speed. Like those guys were
both viewed as we need someone who can attack, you know,
downfield and who's got the type of forty time type
of speed we're looking for to create big plays. Both
those guys were it, and at this point with Watson,
he just has not been almost stay healthy. I know
drops was a bit of an issue too, and it's unfortunate,
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but that's what happen weapons. You know, you get a
window of time and if you can't stay healthy, that's
going to be a problem. So it's kind of almost
a little inclination as to how they're feeling probably about
Christian Watson if they do or or are able to
get DK Metcalf, because now you're looking at a hell
of a wide receiver corp for Jordan Love.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
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Speaker 3 (33:39):
It's another Thursday tradition. He is Albert Breer, Senior NFL reporter,
lead content strategist at the MMQB, the star of Amazon's
Thursday night NFL coverage, and you can get him on
X at Albert Breer AB Good Morning.
Speaker 6 (33:53):
How we feeling I'm good, guys, feeling good.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
Curious the decision to not franchise tag Sam Darnold and
then some of the reports that have come out that
they would be open to a short term deal with him.
How likely is that or is that your smoke?
Speaker 6 (34:11):
I mean, I think that there's a there's a good
likelihood of it. They'd like them back, and you know,
I think that, you know, after everything that JJ McCarthy
went through in twenty twenty four and kind of where
he's at going in twenty twenty five, I do feel
like they want an insurance policy at the very least
at the position. And I think they think they owe
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it to their team too, you know. I this isn't
like a rebuilding team. This is a group that won
fourteen games last year, And you know, how do you
you know, look your veteran players, You're justin Jefferson's, you're
Christian Dearisaws, You're you're Andrew Van Ginkels, You're you're you're
Jonathan Garnard's. How do you look those guys in the
face if you don't give them everything that you possibly
(34:53):
can to try to win a championship next year? You know,
they don't care about your three year plan. So you know,
I think they're gonna make an effort to try to
get Sam Darnold done. Obviously, there are limits to how
far they're willing to go to sign Sam. Otherwise, you
know if there if there weren't those limits, they would
have they were just tagged him and taking them off
the market. But I know the hope is that they
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can find some some sort of middle ground and and
get a deal done and get one done that'll that'll
keep Sam in there as their starter. But but but
but also give them flexibility going forward. And you know,
a while card of course there being is there a
team that is willing to hand him a starting job
for the next two or three years. If that team's
out there, obviously that changes things.
Speaker 5 (35:36):
Oh, Albert just curious, was there not really much of
a market? I mean, I would think that if you
could cash in. The Raiders have a lot of cap space.
We talked about the Giants maybe being you know, willing
to And it's a little bit ironic that that report
comes out that a top seven quarterback coach in this draft.
(35:57):
Uh makes some comments.
Speaker 6 (35:58):
Very very very very vic number there.
Speaker 5 (36:01):
Yeah, just whoever said like, well, I don't know why
I had to say top seven, Like why not to
say top ten? You know, it's just anyway, the point is,
like the Jets another team that I don't think they're
looking for a reunion, but they need a quarterback. Is
you leaving some money on the table if he stays
with Minnesota?
Speaker 6 (36:16):
Yeah, I mean I think that there's gonna be I
think there's gonna be interest out there. Like I certainly
think the Raiders that kick tires on him. I think
he's a fit for Chip Kelly's offense in different ways.
You know. I think the Giants, if they wind up
not landing, wind up landing Aaron Rodgers. That's the interesting
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thing about all of this, Brady, is that it's sort
of unpredictable how the seats are going to fill up,
you know, next week. And you know, I mean for
that matter, like at what point does Aaron Rodgers actually
get cut? And at what point is he actually free?
You know, like because that hasn't happened yet, So you know,
I think there's obviously some interplay in the way that
all of this goes. Pittsburgh's out there, Cleveland out there,
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you know, the Kirk Cousins thing is still you know,
I think, like very uncertain, and you know, how long
did the Falcons hold on to him? You know, it's
there's going to be like I think a little bit
of like a poker game with these teams where it's like,
you know, there might be a guy we like more
over here, or maybe we like a guy in the draft,
but we can't be certain we're going to get him,
so that we take the bird in the hand. And
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I think Sam Donold's part of that bigger game. Now
if you were to leave Minnesota, I sort of had
the Raiders circled as a team that maybe brings them in,
and I think Sam for the Raiders could be for
Pete Carroll in that group, maybe like what Alex Smith
was for for for for Andy Reid in Kansas City.
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You know where you can compete with him? You can
you can you can probably be a playoff team with him,
and and he can find he can buy you time
to to to find a phona fide long term guy.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
I like to kind of follow up on that we
had to ab yesterday on the show about how should
Minnesota be viewing Sam Darnold And I heard you mentioned
comeback as the starter. Then that means you got to
pay him starter's money right now. If you got to
pay him starters money, then what impact does that have
(38:19):
on JJ McCarthy and what his future looks like? And
looking at it from the perspective of comes back healthy
is able to play, but isn't starting. But say Sam
Donald doesn't prove out, you're clearly probably going to go
with your your high draft pick and try to get
him involved. I guess it is it okay to do
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that because he's on his rookie contract, Like it's not.
You know, it's feasible to think that you can still
have him sitting out because you don't have to deal
with any of the financial ramifications in that manner.
Speaker 6 (38:55):
Yeah, I think what's fascinating about this one? LeVar is like,
I think it all depends on what context JJ McCarthy
comes or uh that Sam Donald will come back under? Right,
Like what is how does the contract read? Does his
contract have a fully guaranteed money into twenty twenty six
or twenty twenty seven? You know what promises if they
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made to Sam, where are they telling JJ? You know
in that case it's JJ being told you have to
wait one year or two years or there's not a
lot of certainly on one year going to be our starter.
You know, I think all that you know could affect
the way that JJ handles is going forward. And I think,
you know, looking at the way JJ's year went is
an important piece of this too. And they have confidence
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in him and he like played well over the summer
to the point where, you know, it opened up a
conversation internally like is this guy going to start for
us at some point this year? Then he gets hurt,
Then he has the second surgery which is more of
a cleanup, but he lost a bunch of weight, and
you know, so like then you look at that and
you're saying, okay, like where is he going to be
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at when we go to OTA's he lost four months
at development time. Now he was in the meetings and
he did travel with the team over the last couple
of months of the year, but as he where he
needs to be from a development standpoint, and like even
if he is, you're still sort of projecting that, you
know what I mean. And I think that that's where
like the makeup of the team really comes into play,
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where it's that's a fourteen win team. So if you're
Kevin O'Connell, is it easy for you to look at
your look to your locker room and say, yes, like
this is our quarterback going forward, or you need to
give you know, you need to give your team a
better answer than chess JJ McCarthy. And I think that's
like the open question here. I think they're comfortable that
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he's going to be the quarterback of the future. I
just you know, I don't know if they feel like
it's the right thing right now, like for their team
to go in chess with JJ and a backup and
nothing else. And so I think even if it's not Sam,
I could certainly see them like bringing back Daniel Jones
right to at least give them a safety net if
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if things don't work out early on.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
With JJ, he's Abrobrier, Amazon NFL on Prime Insider, Senior
NFL reporter, lead content Strategies at the MMQB, joining us
here on Fox Sports Radio AB the Shador Sanders Discussion.
It feels like every year or every other year, there's
a prospect that we come away from the combine and
there starts to be some daggers thrown at him, you know,
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different reports he was you know.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
Aloo for arrogant or whatever the terminology was.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
What did you hear from people and what have you
heard about their perception and reaction to Shador's behavior, the
way he spoke at the combine and sort of how
that could impact his draft statage.
Speaker 6 (41:41):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I don't know that
anybody was done. I think everybody knows, like you know,
who should do or is? You know, And I think
a lot of like a lot of a lot of
like who should do or is shows up on tape.
He's tough, he's smart, like he he's savvy, and I
think he knows what he's doing and carrying himself the
way he is, Like, I don't think he's doing anything
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by mistake you know, like so you know, I like,
I think what they're seeing as a guy who is
very much you know, the son of his father, you know,
so to speak, and like in a lot of ways,
like I think there is a feeling that he might
want to manute feel like the process a little bit.
Now that said, I think the bigger question is is
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he a good enough prospect to do that? Right? Like
and so, like I said, he has those qualities you want,
which is smart and tough, He's he's got good instincts
for the position and all that. But how big an
arm does he have? How great an athlete is he?
Those are open questions. And I think that that's where
over the last few weeks at least, like, as I've
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talked to more people, and I'm not saying this just happens,
just as I'm doing my research, I've sort of starting
to get the feeling that there's more of a gap
between Cam and Schaduur physically and with the ceiling than
some people might realize. And if you're a team picking
at the top and you're in the AFC, if you're
like Tennessee, if you're if you're Cleveland, do you look
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at it and say to ever get to the to
the level where you know, the Chiefs are with Mahomes,
the Thills are with Allen, the Ravens are with Lamar,
the Bengals are with Joe, Like we have to have
a we have to have a quarterback in here, who's
you know, got the ceiling to get there? And I
think that's a bigger question now is should do or
more than how he carries himself or how those meetings go.
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I think the bigger question with him is like where
is the ceiling? And I don't know if the ceiling
is in a place where, you know, if you're an
AFC team, you feel comfortable taking him in the top five.
Speaker 5 (43:42):
Albert, I'm kind of curious just listening to talk about
all this, what factor, if at all, would would deon
Sanders play and and and why I bring us up is,
you know, he's a bigger than life personality and brand
everything else that goes along with that. You know he's
going to be I don't want to say outspoken, but
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he's going to be asked about He's gonna speak publicly.
And I commented before about wanting to coach his son
like that that's the only way he's gonna leave Calorinde
is coach his.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
Son in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (44:14):
You know, if Shador is being drafted by one of
these teams, they're most likely a team that's struggled. It's
most likely a team that could potentially be find their
coach in a year or two, and it would create
an opening, Like is there any concern like from that
angle of things?
Speaker 10 (44:30):
I mean maybe I don't know, Like I I tend
to think this way about it, right, Brady, Like, like,
first of all, like if he falls on draft day,
buckle up, you.
Speaker 6 (44:41):
Know what I mean. Like, I mean like then all
of a sudden, we'll have like what I think is
you know, really kind of like a black draft on
the year, like get all the drama anybody would ever want,
because you know, if he starts slipping, if he somehow
slips into Friday, like I think, you know, you could
see some craziness. That said, I I still think he
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I still think Dean wants what's best for his kid,
and I think like, and you've been around that program.
I think both of you guys have right, like and Brady,
you guys you know for the show have been there
a bunch Deon's like sort of an old school coach, like,
and people don't realize it because all the flash. And
I do think he has old school values and I
do think he wants what's best for his kid, and
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so like, you know, like I think he's going to
be out there ahead of the draft, but I just
have a hard time seeing where like he's going to
be a huge disruption once his kid gets the NFL.
I sort of look a look at it, like Archie
and Eli, you know what I mean, Like, like Archie,
you know, when when that was going on in oh four,
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there was a lot of noise about like are you
inheriting the whole family when you when you draft Eli
because the way that they handle the free draft process,
and you know, really for the Mannings, that was about
trying to create the best situation for Eli. And then
once he was in that situation, like you didn't hear
much from Archie at all after that, you know, So
I think, you know, could beyond like pull some strengths
(46:10):
to try to get Shador in the right situation. Yes,
but I sort of view this as like an Archie
Manning thing, whereas like if it is the right situation,
that Chador goes to, then I think he would probably
be relatively hands off.
Speaker 4 (46:25):
How feasible is it to think that it could be
the Raiders that Shador Sanders ends up going to.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
And I mean, obviously looking at it from.
Speaker 4 (46:34):
The perspective of the relationship between Tom Brady and Shador.
If people don't know the background on that or even
the idea of how much this team is in need
of someone that can lift the tide, raise the tide,
or move the needle for them at that position, how
feasible is it to think that if if Shador fell
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to six or would a team like the Race Readers
try to move up to ensure that they're going to
get your door within that period of time.
Speaker 6 (47:06):
Sure, well, first of all, the people who don't know
you know, like that that is that that that relationship exists,
that that Tom Brady shud I know how at least
like a texting relationship. So like that's in place, and
like so I think that there's some good background that
Brady can you know, help his new GM John spy
Tech and his new his new coach Pete Carroll with right,
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Like so like that sort of gives you a baseline
that you're working off of. But I I don't think,
like you know, I don't think you're going to see
interference from above on the evaluation here on on on
sure and I and I think that's part of the
promise that Tom Brady gave to you know, his new
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GM and his new coach and to all the people
who interviewed there, was that like some of these existing
conditions with the Raiders aren't going to exist anymore, and
that Brady is going to Brady's going to be able
to insulate the people there in a way that's going
to allow them to do their jobs at the highest
level possible. In fact, like I would tell you this,
like in November and December, you know, with some of
(48:13):
the people that were there, you know, when Tom's let's
go and Antonio Pierce, like there was like I mean,
pretty strong rumors out there that like those guys were
going to be under a mandate to spend the first
round pick on a quarterback, and that like it was
going to be a little bit like Indianapolis a couple
of years ago, where come hell or high water, you
got to come out of the drop of the quarterback.
(48:33):
I think like some of the fear of that was
relieved a little bit for some people who were interviewing
there by Tom Brady saying these things that he's going
to insulate the football people from ownership on some of
that stuff. And so I think John spypech and and
Pete Carroll is going to be able to do an
awest evaluation as you do her. And and if they
(48:55):
think they think he's worthy of the sixth pick, great,
If they think he's worthy of a trade up, great.
If they don't think he's worthy of the six pick,
then you know, maybe they spend the pick on something else.
I think that's the way that, at least for right now,
I would look at it. And that, to me, I
think would be Tom Brady living up to his promise
when when those guys went through the process, Abe, uh.
Speaker 3 (49:16):
We've got to close soon, but we got thirty seconds
surprise move, surprise trade to watch for something you're hearing
before free agency starts next week.
Speaker 6 (49:30):
Yeah, I mean, I think you're going to hear like
more Like I think as far as just the the
guys asking for trades like DK Metcalf like that, Like
those sorts of things will kind of shake out over
the course the next you know, over the next few days,
and I'm probably ahead of free agency. That's when those
guys want to get out there because that's when they're
the most money is available, you know. I think you're
(49:52):
going to have a very small, like elite class, and
a lot of those guys, you know, I think they'd
come off the market. So Trey Smith's already been taking
off the market. Ronnie Stanley the Ravens are working to
take him off the market. Zach Bond was taking off
the market by the Eagles. So I think you're going
to see some names you're may be less familiar with
that are going to get the big paydays. Like Milton
(50:13):
Williams from the Eagles. I don't know how many people
are familiar with him, but he's a really good player,
Like he'll get paid. Javon holl In, the safety from
the from the Dolphins, he'll get paid, you know. And
then there are some names like I'm going to butcher
Dio the Indian Indianapolis pass rushers last name dio in
ying Bo. I think it's his last name, but I
(50:33):
think what was the name dio odin ying Bo. I
don't want to butcher the name but okay, well, Drew Dolman,
the center from the Falcons, could get a nice deal.
So I think it's it's just if you look at it, guys,
it's it's interesting because this isn't a great year to
(50:55):
have a high draft pick, and this isn't a great
year to be looking to spend like twenty million per
year free agent. And I think a huge part of
that is because the CAP's gone up so much most teams,
if you really want to keep a guy, can afford
to keep guys. You know, that's just the reality of it,
So you know, it'll be interesting. I do think that
there are there are some there There are some guys
(51:17):
going into contract years or are closing in on the
end of the rookie deals at the receiver position, where
you know, like what are the commanders give Terry McLaurin,
you know, where's you know, Garrett wilsonatt with the new
staff with the Jets, you know, like, are they willing
to pay him twenty five to thirty million dollars a year?
Some of those questions I think will come up in
(51:38):
the coming weeks, whether or not those like result and
anybody asking for a trade or anything like that it's
too early to tell.
Speaker 2 (51:44):
I think that's going to be fun.
Speaker 6 (51:46):
AB.
Speaker 2 (51:46):
We know you're busy.
Speaker 3 (51:47):
We appreciate it now.
Speaker 2 (51:48):
We'll do it again next week.
Speaker 6 (51:50):
Thanks one.
Speaker 3 (51:51):
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