AM Show Hr 2 | Cool Jobs & the People Who Actually Do Them

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's that time, time, time, time, luck and load.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
The Michael Verry Show is on the air.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
I want you to answer this question at home out loud.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Don't call it out loud.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
Before I give you Ramone's answer. So my question to
you Ramonte focused. Ramon shaved his beard, by the way,
and he's he's been on this.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
Weight loss kick. He's he got a.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
Continuous glucose monitor c GM to MONITORI his glucose. And
I don't brag on Ramone very often. I really don't,
but I guess I do. I have never seen, including
my own father, the most disciplined human being I've ever
known in my life, by far, by far. He is
the high water mark of self discipline. I have never

(01:13):
seen anybody control their dietary intake the way Ramona has
since he got a CGM CGM. And this is how
you know when doctors prescribe a CGM. It's because if
you see what eating you know what eating and drinking
certain things does to spike your blood sugar, then you go, oh, okay, well,

(01:37):
orange juice has a lot of sugar in it. I
had no idea. I always thought orange juice was good
for me. So that's the idea, but it never works
that way. People go, oh, man, you mean I can't
drink screwdrivers at lunch because they spike my Well, I'm
good to know, and they still drink screwdrivers at lunch.
Ramone goes for his check up the other day and

(01:59):
the doctor walks in, she goes, wow, you've lost a
lot of weight. Great, let's look at your numbers and
it's the number of occasions in which you have gone
outside from from eighty to one twenty. And I assure
you there's nobody listening that's between eighty and one and twenty.
It's very low blood sugar. It means you're not you're
not eating anything because our food is laden with sugar.

(02:23):
There were zero, zero infractions the docs. I've never seen this.
This is amazing.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
I am so impressed with what you've done.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
And if you know how Ramon snacks and what he
snacks on for him to do this, it's incredible. Now
he's put the beef jerkey business into you know, their
out of their stocks are low because he does that
and eggs things that don't spike your.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
Your blood sugar.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
But here's my question, Mark huh and whiskey whiskey, because
that's yeah, it doesn't blood spike you. If you go
in a hundred times, let's say, Federal American Grill and
you're either having a burger or steak, your call and
you're going to have I know I'm tempting you, but
you're going to have a side of fries. What percentage

(03:13):
of the time is it going to be sweet potato fries?

Speaker 2 (03:17):
Zero? Me too. I don't understand. I don't understand.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
Sweet potato fries. I don't understand replacing potatoes with sweet
potatoes and not even the same thing. I don't think
they're even in the potato family. I read this, They're
like something else. They're over sweet potatoes are sweet potatoes
are the worst of the worst because they're not even
really a vegetable. They're a dessert, and they're not a

(03:42):
good dessert. So they're not as good as the other vegetables.
And so you have to you go no, no, no,
sweet potatoes. You go over there into the dessert category.
I can't compete over there.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
I can't.

Speaker 3 (03:55):
It's no, and that you go over there, sweet potato pie.
I don't understand why anybody would eat sweet poatoes. Okay,
you're extremely poor. You grow sweet potatoes. That's all you got.
You make the most of it. Irish potato famine.

Speaker 4 (04:10):
I got it.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
But who would ever choose sweet potatoes when you have anything?
You got blueberries, make blueberry cobbler. What are you doing anyway?
I was reading that just before sweet potatoes are mashed, they.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
Become very quiet. It's known as the silence of the yams.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
Was an elaborate setup, but I needed to get you
out of that.

Speaker 5 (04:40):
You will.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
I didn't want you to catch it. I was gonna teach.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
Could I congratulate Cash Reese on his signing today with
Shiner University. I would like to hear from a couple
of folks between now and when the show ends, who
do something that is you may not think of.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
It as interesting.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
I don't want to say interesting, because then you have
to call up here and then, you know, be judged
on whether what you do is interesting. And I don't
want to do that to you because most people want.
But if you do a job that when people find
out what you do, they go, huh, I didn't know
that was a job, Or what's that like? Or how
do you get into that?

Speaker 2 (05:19):
You know?

Speaker 3 (05:20):
Like you do Chernobyl cleanup or you for a long time.
Uncle Jerry's son Chad used to have the job. They
have videos about these people. Now there's like TikTok and
all that. And every time I say TikTok or gets
some mean you ought not be on TikTok. I'm not,
but people send me things and you see it on TV.

(05:41):
I'm aware of the social phenomenon. So and I, by
the way, I can't be on TikTok because I know
my own weaknesses. If I have like Pavlov's dog, if
you were to give me an endless loop of tiny,
bite sized, hilarious videos of one form or another and

(06:01):
the algorithm figures you out pretty fast, I would not.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
You don't know when to disconnect.

Speaker 3 (06:08):
I got the the sports package for NFL games.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
I forget what it's called.

Speaker 3 (06:13):
Maybe it's red zone, and anytime a team is in
the red zone, they go to them and they cut
out all the commercials, so you know you're watching a
team there at the nineteen and you know three plays,
four place, six place, they go in and score, and
when they score, your brain is triggered to Okay, go pee,
get a drink, get some food, Come back, you've got

(06:36):
it paced out, how long it's going to last. You're
just getting ready to get up, and they go, Now
we go to Minnesota versus Detroit, where Detroit's on the
eight year old. Oh well, let me see if Detroit scores.
And it's just that on an endless loop. So for
four hours, I'm sitting there ready to burst. It's it's ridiculous.
What are you doing? Get up and go peep. It's

(06:56):
psychologically hard to break loose from that, all right. One
three nine nine nine one thousand seven one three nine
nine nine one thousand seven one three nine nine nine
one thousand. So lots and lots of comments on tariffs
from people who want to take the high road that
they are in business. Michael, you need to stay in

(07:19):
your corner. I am in business. I know about tariffs,
and you don't know about tariffs. Listen, don't make me
say things that sound arrogant. Okay, don't make me do it.
Don't make me say things to puff myself to justify
my opinion. If you don't agree with me, that's fine.

Speaker 4 (07:38):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (07:38):
It's like the sports fan. If I make some joke
about sports and you just stay in your lane. Why
because you you sit and watch baseball, because you sit
and watch baseball, and you're not very smart, and so
your opinion is somehow better than my joke. It's just
so dumb. But anyway, it's a long story on that.

(08:02):
I have become mildly obsessed with the media's portrayal of
Trump's economic policies and how they are negatively affecting the
public's opinion of his policies when the public has no understanding.
It's not that the public has a statement about his
policies and they're wrong. They don't understan, they don't know,

(08:24):
but they just have a sense that they don't like them.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
We've all got our advice, we've all got our weakness.
That kid likes cake. Wie gets back tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
So you know, if you don't take food away from
a dog, they'll.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
Eat till they die. They just don't have any sense. Well,
I struggle to go to bed, and so my wife
is very could leave because don't want to be controlled.
Coaxes me to don't you think you should get some sleep?

Speaker 3 (09:07):
So when she is not here, which is almost never,
but she's been gone for ten days to end up,
I get everything done for the day, get the show prepped,
get Crockett's homework done, even get Crockett to go to bed.
And he's as bad as I am about going to bed.
Got George.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
We have a little cottage out back, and I go
out there, and.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
Because I'm the only one that goes in there, I
smoke inside there. So I get out there, you know,
I watch thirty minutes of TV. I mean, going to decompress,
decompressed from the day, rather than just go straight to bed,
because you know, you gotta clear your mind. Nobody around,
nobody looking cigar, get a little bourbon going. So in

(09:51):
my mind, I need to watch something serious because I'm
a serious person and be improving my knowledge base.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
So I will watch the history of World War One
and the.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
Serbs and why exactly Archduke Ferdinand, and I'll get to
go in on that for a little while, and somehow
I'll end up on country roads Appalachi falls and you know,
a four hundred pound guy wrapping as they you know,
drive a dirt road in a convoy of four wheelers,

(10:23):
and then the algorithm catches you and I'm hung I'm
hung up. I can't get a loose And that is
my happy place. I got my bourbon, my cigar. Nobody
bothered me, except it's past midnight and I ain't even
starting to slow down.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
That is a very very happy place.

Speaker 3 (10:42):
And people friends of mine will say or just ran
if they we play something that's hic hop, well you
call it whatever you want, guilty pleasure.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
I enjoy it. I like it. There's something about it.
I colt Ford, I love colt Ford.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
That's just stick, Michael, that's just that's not real. That
isn't No trash in my trailer is beautiful to me.
It's Beethoven. I love it.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
If I like it, why do I have to not
like it?

Speaker 3 (11:10):
I like it anyway, Michelle, your interesting job, go ahead, sweetheart.

Speaker 6 (11:18):
So I don't have an interesting job, but my dad
had one. He was a funeral director and he embalmed
bodies and all that kind of interesting stuff. In Houston, No,
in Louisiana. I grew up in Louisiana. My family was big.
My mom's family was really big in the funeral directing,

(11:41):
like funeral home business. They were a big family and
my dad just got into it because he married my mom.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
Unrelated to your story.

Speaker 6 (11:50):
It was an interesting childhood.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
Oh, I can imagine.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
Unrelated to your story, I got emails recently with a
story about a person in an association of funeral directors
who it's all allegations, not necessarily proven, who was squeezed

(12:14):
out pun intended of the funeral director association. Apparently there
are competing schools of funeral directors for diddling one of
the students in a closet in the back.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
Of the school.

Speaker 3 (12:32):
It was found out about, and he was asked to leave,
and it was all hush hush, and as often happens,
we'll just pretend this didn't happen because it it will
besmirch us. And he went on to do the same
job for another funeral directing school.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
That was that.

Speaker 3 (12:52):
I heard that, and I did some a little digging
to find out if this was true, because it would
relate to some modern news. But I could not get
confirmation on the record, only off the record. But it
made a certain series of news stories very interesting if

(13:12):
that allegation were true. And I don't know that it is,
so I can't speak further to it, but that's what
I have to offer in response to your funeral director commentary.
Unrelated to your father, Bill Phillips. You're on the Michael
Berry Show. When a guy gives two names, you always wonder.

Speaker 7 (13:27):
Go ahead, Bill, Yes, sir, I own an interior plant
service in Houston, Texas, and we provide interior tropical foliage
for commercial and residential spaces. Live growing plants very common. Well,
a lot of people don't know that there's businesses out

(13:49):
there like mine, and so it's very common. I was
listening to your show this morning and had dawned on
me that you know, I should call in and see
if I can share.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
Bill.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
I'm going to take I'm thirty seconds. I'm in fourth grade.
Want you to explain to me what you do. In
thirty seconds, I'll tell you when to start, and it
has to be totally self contained, exactly what you do
so that I don't have any questions afterwards.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
I understand exactly what you do.

Speaker 7 (14:14):
Okay, Okay, go. We provide and maintain supply life plants
or interior homes, buildings, maintain them, water and fertilized, prune
and replace them.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
Okay. What's the number one plant that you installed?

Speaker 7 (14:40):
Probably a fiddle fig.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
A fiddle fig and your sins yoursinas, Yes, sir, does
that need direct sunlight.

Speaker 7 (14:53):
Indirect indirect direct, yes, sir, by a window. Some plants
will survive in a conference room that has no windows
at all with fluorescent lighting, but like a dispitably fig
would need to be placed by a window three or
four foot adjacent to a thanks your window.

Speaker 3 (15:16):
When I was a baby lawyer at Jenkins and gil Chris,
we were at eleven hundred Louisiana, and once a week,
this lesbian woman would come in and trim off the
brown in in each of the lawyer's offices. She'd trim
off the waist, take it out.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
She had a little bucket all that she'd spray down
your your plant and checking all that. And I might
be on a phone call or whatever else.

Speaker 3 (15:37):
But I always found it a very calming and soothing thing,
her presence when she would come in and she'd fuss
over the plants.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
I'd watch her do. It always made me happy.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
I just put that on a Michael Maison.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
Michael Barry show. Here's in the video to this.

Speaker 3 (15:56):
Yes, yeah, exactly hilarious. For those of you who've never
seen it, It's exactly what you would imagine. It's some
dudes unironically sitting out on a broken down porch somewhere
in Kentucky or West Virginia. Overalls, no shirt, ball cap
with an awesome patch on it.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
Whatever it is, you know, big red or.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
Something, drinking sweet iced tea and singing porch honky about
being a white dude sitting out on porch in a
rocking chair. If you don't like it, you change the dial.
But some of you are going to watch it and go.
Give me more of this YouTube. Give this a boost
in the algorithm because I want more of that. I
didn't know this existed, but I need more of it.

(16:41):
I don't know how I got through to this point,
but I need more of it. Seven one thousand. Wade,
You're on the Michael Berry Show. Oh you've got to
be Kidney Wade.

Speaker 4 (16:53):
Good morning, Michael.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
Hey, but hold on a second. Ramon says that we
have we are overdue on a demo profile. I'll make
this quick, okay, height, weight.

Speaker 5 (17:05):
Five twenty five, hey, hair color, bald, race, white, national heritage?

Speaker 2 (17:19):
What country would you would they? Would they follow you as.

Speaker 4 (17:21):
Being found Scotland? Scotland.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
Religious affiliation if any Muslim.

Speaker 4 (17:27):
Buddhist, Babtist, Southern Baptist.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
Profession Music publishing. Estimated earnings twenty through twenty twenty four.
UH by year, I'll just follow you.

Speaker 5 (17:50):
Two and fifty k, marital status, married.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
Children, three ages.

Speaker 4 (18:06):
Thirty two, twenty and seventeen.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
Primary vehicle.

Speaker 4 (18:15):
Twenty ten for f one fifty.

Speaker 3 (18:19):
Estimated value of home in twenty twenty four three fifty
primary grocery store, primary gasoline provider if not.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
Grocery store.

Speaker 4 (18:42):
QT quick trip.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
Estimated number of home food deliveries in.

Speaker 4 (18:50):
A year zero.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
You don't do that.

Speaker 4 (18:56):
Nope.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
If you make If you make two fifty, thank you.
That's good. That's all I'm doing. There's twenty more questions.

Speaker 3 (19:02):
If you make two fifty and your home is valued
at three fifty. I'm not saying you're a day for
mcy acolyte, but you're following fundamental principles.

Speaker 4 (19:13):
Millionaire next Door is my favorite book I've ever read.

Speaker 3 (19:16):
I would have guessed that the fact that you drive
a fifteen year old truck, the fact that your home
value is one hundred and fifty percent of your annual salary,
I would have guessed, and the fact that you don't
do home delivery, I would have guessed that you probably
have a bigger nest egg than people who make a

(19:37):
million dollars a year and a half for the same
number of years.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
Yeah, what what you do? What are you doing? Music publishing?

Speaker 4 (19:45):
I inherited a music publishing company about three years ago
from my aunt who had started Is this Clarion the
early Yes New Clarity?

Speaker 2 (19:57):
You sent me an email? I did, Yes, sir, Oh
my goodness. I read that. I printed it out, I
made notes.

Speaker 3 (20:05):
I looked up the woman that devolved into a mental
health with I don't know how much of this I'm
allowed to say, so there was an individual she went
into a steep mental health decline. I went and read
all about this. I was fascinated by it. I can't
believe this came back. I never thought I would use this.
But yes, sir, that was a very very compelling femail.

Speaker 4 (20:26):
That's my that was my aunt. Yes, she started the
company way back then, and you know, was very successful
in the early late eighties early nineties, and had had
an event in the mid nineties where a record was
not she published, she produced it, and then it was

(20:48):
never released because of some inside business politics, and that
was the beginning of her her decline from the business.

Speaker 3 (20:56):
Yeah, but y'all had some y'all had some some big music.
I mean that that was a going concern for a
while in a tough business as is independent.

Speaker 4 (21:05):
Yes, sir, yes, sir, yes, sir. So any anything that well,
I'll put it this way. We have we have twenty
five songs that were published and well known. Of those,
seven of them were Tracy Lawrence's biggest hits. Yes, so yeah,
we've got we've got some stuff there.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
Tracy Lawrence had had a run there Alibis, sticks and Stones.
He and Tracy Bird were kind of coming up at
the same time, and he had a real run.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
He has very very distinctive voice.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
I like it.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
It cuts through it.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
It's not like everybody else. Can I read this on
air or is it too personal?

Speaker 4 (21:48):
You can read it. I would just ask that you
use now you can read it. I would say, you
can read it, read it, that's fine.

Speaker 7 (21:57):
Zar.

Speaker 3 (21:57):
Thank you for your comments this morning on mental health
and Brian Wilson.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
This was when I played the Brian Wilson song by
Bare Necked Ladies.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
Some of you will remember in the struggles Brian Wilson's had.
I recently assumed ownership of New Clarion Music and your
comments hit Home with me. My aunt Sue Susie K
Patton Jay Francis Ques founded New Clarion in nineteen eighty
four with her writing partner Kai Fleming. Kai wrote several
well known songs that were recorded by Barbara Mandrel, Ronnie
Millsapp and Sylvia. These songs included I Was Country when

(22:27):
Country Wasn't Cool, Smoky Mountain Rain, and Nobody There's some
publishing money there Remone. Susie had lesser known cuts by
Sylvia and Charlie Pride. New Clarion had some success with
Skip Ewing and regional artists in the late eighties. The
nineties was the bright spot for New Clarion, with hits
recorded by Alan Jackson, Reba McIntyre, Tracy Lawrence, Travis Tritt,
and Trace.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
Adkins Pretty Good Stable.

Speaker 3 (22:49):
By two thousand, Kai had left Nashville and Susie stepped
back from the business to travel and help with my grandmother,
who was in her late seventies. Sadly, around o seven,
Susie began to exhibit signs of mental illness, her condition
to terror, and we lost contact with each other. By
twenty fifteen, she was living in her car and spending
her days fixated on the delusions that were in her mind.
Being a writer, Susie put her thoughts on paper and

(23:09):
filled twenty two totes with her journals between twenty twelve
and twenty twenty two. Susie passed away three years ago,
and I was tasked as the administrator of her estate,
including five publishing companies, a catalog of one hundred and
fifty plus songs, and her personal writings. Unfortunately, the twenty
seven gold and platinum albums and two Grammys she was
awarded had been lost. Reading through the journals is emotionally draining,

(23:29):
but enlightening about the impact of.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
Mental illness on a brilliant mind.

Speaker 3 (23:33):
I'm sharing this as my day as my way of
saying thanks for all.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
You do in your comments on music and mental health.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
Hold on just a moment, Michael Berry show, ooh, he's
got a footed memory.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
He's his patient.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
Here every night, so it can fool ham.

Speaker 3 (23:57):
If you ever look at Albert Pooholtz's stats, Poohols is
in the top ten, I believe in Major League history.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
I looked at up once. Well.

Speaker 3 (24:10):
Actually, my friend JJ Asbell is very close friends with him,
and he told me this, and I didn't believe it,
so I looked it up. I think Poohlles is in
the top ten for home runs, triples, doubles, singles, considering
that each one of them doesn't count toward the other one.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
The fact that you could.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
Do that is incredible, and his stats sneak up on you.
I mean, Houstonians will never forget Poohles because what he
did to lights Outledge and what that did to our team.
Pooh Hools is a career that is consistently excellent without

(24:46):
raising you know, without without putting neon signs on it.
So you can't like, how did he do that? How
did he do that? He did that for so many years,
so good, and I almost didn't take notice. Right, he's
one of the all time greatest player. Statistically, he's the
top five greatest player of all time if you look
at his actual stat before you go, oh, trust me,

(25:08):
statistically that is true. That song Fullhearted Memory is for
me what makes George Strait that for not just country
music but all music, but definitely country music. I woke
up and George Strait had like fifty I woke up
at the point he had probably fifty plus. He was

(25:30):
at fifty five fifty seven maybe, and he was still
churning him out number one hits and we kind of
take for granted, Yeah, of course he did.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
He's George Strait when you consider.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
How many artists that are in the Hall of Fame
that never had a number one, when you consider how
many it had two or three and that, and they
had a great career, and this guy was just steady,
full hearted memory. If I asked you to start rattling
off George Strait songs, there are songs that will cut
through that you'll remember, you know, the chair Obviously, there's

(26:04):
gonna be some that that you're gonna that are obvious
that you're gonna pull up, that you're gonna start to
bog down at fifteen or twenty, and fool Hearted Memory
is one of those that's just every time you hear it,
you think that is a great song. It's not the greatest.
It ain't he stopped loving her today. It's just George

(26:24):
straight consistently getting up. Even if there's two outs and
we're down by nine in the in the top of
the ninth, he's still gonna get up and stroke a double.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
You don't even bother to you know, you're getting ready
to leave. You don't even cheer.

Speaker 3 (26:39):
But he's just gonna get up there and consistently hit
a double and we're not gonna win. But that's okay
because that's what's he just consistently delivers that great product.
That's all Wade. Do you still have the music publishing company?

Speaker 4 (26:57):
Yes, sir, I actively, I'm actively running it every day.
That's my that has become my full time jo.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
Okay, what does that look like?

Speaker 3 (27:06):
Uh, because I'm assuming you're not putting new new publishing
rights under under the umbrella? Is that simply collecting the
checks and making sure that they're that uh be what
does it be? B B and all those guys are
paying you properly?

Speaker 4 (27:23):
Yeah. So I spend a third of my time what
I call chasing royalties, which is making sure that we're
getting paid by BMI, byass Cap, by the other record
labels for the songs that were published and are earning
this royalty. So I spent a third of my time
doing that. I spent a third of my time researching

(27:47):
copyrights and trying to locate demos of the rest of
the songs in the catalog. And then I for uh,
trying to get those public. We're going to publish those
and try to get those in the hands of our
new artists coming up. And then I spent a third
of my time out talking to h to artists, artists

(28:10):
and musicians. Last week I had the opportunity to visit
with Cory Morrow for a couple of minutes, and we're
going to be sending him a song here pretty soon.
But yeah, it's three things. I chase royalties, I work
on copyrights and demos, and then working with with artists
to record our songs.

Speaker 3 (28:28):
Wait, it helped me understand some all right, So let's
take Corey was a friend of mine. Let's talk about
the business today twenty twenty five. So let so somebody
pitches you a song. You you you put that legally?
You Now, how do you file?

Speaker 2 (28:45):
We own?

Speaker 4 (28:45):
We would so we would so we would file the copy,
We would file the copyright. If we have a new song,
we would file the copyright with the copyright office and
submit a lyric sheet and the music as well as
the demo tape uh to the copyright office and get
that legally in our hands. Once that song is recorded,

(29:08):
it becomes two pieces of work. We still own the
intellectual property. But now the the record company owns the
that that that actual physical recording uh that you hear,
and then the royalties are paid accordingly to.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
That and and how are those royalties typically split.

Speaker 4 (29:30):
Of It's a pretty complicate, complicated Uh, it's a very
complicated algorithm. And Algebrath, it's way above my pay grade.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
Yeah, then how do you know if it's complicated, understand
what you're owed?

Speaker 4 (29:51):
Because because because we have their their uh their organizations
like as CAP and be in my and the group
called MLC, which is the Mechanical Licensing Cooperative, it's their
job to make sure those are collected and paid. So
they do that on our behalf. So that so that

(30:12):
I'm not having to do that individually across because we're
talking you're talking multiple platforms. You to Spotify, Apple Music,
Serious exemp. All these different platforms today are paying those royalties.
So we use the performance rights organizations as GAP be

(30:33):
in my MLC to uh to collect those for us.
So it's not a it's not really it's not a
really cut and it's not cut and dried and black
and white. There's a lot of a lot of gray areas.

Speaker 3 (30:46):
A lot of room for lawyers. Two out of the
three functions in your existence. The person is not happy
to hear from you because you're saying you owe me money.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
You know, it's it's interesting way.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
When I started the r c C, I reached out
to be am I an ascap and I didn't. I mean,
I had enough musician friends and I read enough biographies
to know that this is a really really loaded issue
and it gets ugly. But I had no idea how
ugly it gets. And Bemi an ascap would not like
dealing with the irs. They wouldn't answer any of my questions.

(31:19):
It wouldn't help me with anything. And then they show
up eighteen months in and go, you owe US thirty
six thousand and US fifty two thousand, and you're going, well,
I disagree. You don't have a means by which to protest.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
And it was I had.

Speaker 3 (31:34):
It left me with such a nasty taste in my
mouth toward those organizations. And it shouldn't be that way,
because there should be an equitable way, because we do
want artists and to be compensated.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
We do want there to be money there.

Speaker 3 (31:49):
We do want to encourage that, like research and developments,
like patents, you know that's why you do all this.
But those two organizations, they're thugs. They run them up,
and I despise them. I am fascinated about what you do.
We're going to talk later on another day.