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Speaker 1 (00:00):
From the the beautiful Lake, the shores of beautiful Lake
Decker of Decker Lake, Lake Decker, It's Decker Lake, Beautiful
Decker Lake. And we've got a we've got a heck
of a show for Yeah, I mean it was funny.
I was looking at Denny in the video and he's, uh,
he's realizing I didn't have my ears on and he's
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waving friends.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Well, we were kind of in a side conversation.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Yeah, I had a lot of side conversations. But remind me,
I got to call Erica with sig so and get
that done. Anyways, let's talk about let's talk about what
we're going to talk about to talk about talk about. Gee,
Mel Gibson mad Max. Isn't he mad? He's mad? Max? Yeah,
why don't aways get him confused with anyway? Mel Gibson
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wants a gun, but he can't have a gun. But
he can't have a gun. And we're going to talk
about that because there's a little, uh, you know, a
little back and forth. Apparently Custom and Border Patrol hate
fake guns. Yeah, they're they're they're seizing a bunch of
fake guns. Uh and oh, sig sour six hours, Well,
(01:10):
it's not that they're back in the news. They're still
in the news. And I got to tell you, I
love my SIGs. I like my sib sig optics, I
like my SIG guns. I like my SIG rifles, the
mc X, the pistols. But apparently some people cannot handle
their SIG without it going you know, pew pew pew.
(01:32):
I don't know something, and I don't know how you
feel about it. I've heard some internet YouTubers. They are saying, oh, no,
sig SIG is bad now, and and they're they're you know, oh,
it must be bad. Well, you know if you look
at it, Well, we'll we'll talk about it. Should we
talk about it later?
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Yeah, we can talk about it later, because it's I
I shake my head. I'm just like, Okay, what's the
problem with these people?
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Well, I don't know, you know what, Well, we'll talk
talk about it. We'll talk about it. But anyways, so, uh,
so remind me to talk about that, and then, uh, Colorado,
I'm gonna talk about Colorado and what what bill is
waiting to be signed by Governor Jared Paulis Polis Paulis
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police and uh. One of the big ones was I
was talking with John Lott yesterday and he had sent
me a his Washington Times news article regarding non lethal
alternatives to guns. And for me, I thought the non
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lethal alternative to guns was just shooting somebody in the leg.
That isn't that the non lethal way to do it
in the movies? Yeah, you can still use a gun
non lethally if you go on in your back porch.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Why do we have to shoot him dead?
Speaker 1 (02:54):
By so anyway, I want to I want to do that. Bell.
I know you were working, you were working on a
few things there. Yeah, we love that one.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Okay, I'm gonna just start with this one. It'll say,
and this is right from the article from Rachel Stevens.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Okay, all right, well well.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Well another day, another glorious episode for rules for THEE,
but not for me. And we're going to talk rules
for THEE.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Yeah, we'll talk about the senator that said that, what
it means and.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Like a United States senator, Yes, one of our favorites. Really. Yeah,
your phase, your buddies, and I'm like your team. Yeah,
all right, and you had something else I don't know
if it was Turkey's, it was something that was living
was to be coming up.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
But yeah, make sure you know Big Game application goes
to the twenty fourth, make sure you get in on that.
For those other Spring Turkey limited entry Turkey that starts
Saturday Day, Yeah, on the twelfth, So next Saturday Spring
(04:05):
Turkey Limited Hunt and then our big hunt the general
season will start on the twenty eighth. And there's some
youth hunts.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Okay, so I know you can use you can use
dogs to help hunt cougar and that kind of stuff,
right well, to chase them, I mean, okay, to chase them.
Ye can I can I use kangaroo to help chase
to chase the turkeys because she likes doing that anyway. Yeah,
and I thought we'll have that's a good idea. No,
that's not a good idea. Yeah, okay, yeah, I would
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not reckon. Is there a prohibition against that?
Speaker 2 (04:40):
I haven't seen one.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Okay, there probably will be next let yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Out by your neck of the woods, there probably will be.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Yeah, yeah, probably. So anyway, Uh, let's see we got talking, Yeah,
we got yeah, we got some time. Are you done
with your with your stuff? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Yeah yeah yeah, so yeah, just don't forget to get
your Big Game applications got everyone right. Yeah, everyone probably
saw the news about out of stater permits just skyrocket.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Oh yeah, if you're out of state.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
I think Representative Snyder had something to do with that,
because remembering in legislation this life, I know, we're talking
about who cares about the out of staters. Yeah, let's
stick it to the out of representa Corey Snyder. I'm
sure he had something to do with that. Casey, yeah,
Casey Snyder. What did I say?
Speaker 1 (05:29):
He said, Corey?
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Oh yeah, different, Corey yeah, Casey Snyder.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Ye. So anyway, all right, so let's talk about Colorado
because we're Colorado touchers, you know, yeah, we are so
in fact, and you went to County. If you went
to County, when the wind is just right, you can
smell Colorado.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
What does that smell?
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Almost like hippies and and and old socks and and
marija on America. So yeah, when the wind just blow
it just right. So anyway, Uh, there's a bill on
his desk SB. They have weird bill numbers SB twenty
five dash zero zero three. Maybe that's third substitute. Anyway,
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he's thinking about signing into line. Probably will that prohibits
the purchase or sale of rapid fire conversion devices. Does
that not sound a lot like the crap that we
put up with this last session conversion devices and that,
but an example bump stocks or binary triggers. Now, they
(06:38):
never talked about binary triggers, but I know that study and.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Oh they did they Yeah, force triggers and binary triggers.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Okay. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
In fact, it's funny that your article brings up bump stocks,
bump stocks, but they don't mention anything about semi automatic.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Oh no, no, it it's restricting. Uh, it puts stricter
licensing restrictions on semi auto weapons.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Yeah, gosh, you know what we're going to be. We're
going to be the next Illinois, you know, following guns
into Colorado. I mean Illinois, Illinois, Okay, becoming to Utah
to Yeah, no kidding. Hey, So there's a deal. You
bring your marijuana over and I'll trade you for guns.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
See see right there, you're committing more crimes in one sentence.
Then I can even keep track of you. Then. So yeah,
because you're touching them first, huh County, they're thirty minutes
away from us.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Yeah, yeah, you can smell them then.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Yeah, and uh, and I think there's more subar rus
per capita than any other state. I don't know. Anyway,
all right, I'll tell you what when we come back,
we are going to Oh, we're going to talk about
the non lethal firearm alternative. Should you get one?
Speaker 2 (08:00):
And and I got a lot of thought process on
that one.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Oh yeah, all right, when we come back on Gun
Radio Utah, stay tuned.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
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Speaker 1 (08:22):
Speaking of which I want to I want to do
something with the zapp tax ZAP tax. Well, just just
entities that take advantage of the zapp tax. And I
think it's just Salt Lake County, but they if they're
taking our tax money zoo arts and parts, Zoo arts
and parks tax, then they shouldn't be restricting people that
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the public that carry cars.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Anyway, very good point. Yes, anyway, you've got We were
talking about this earlier as we were prepping for the show,
and I had a lot of comments on this because
one of the companies. We're not going to say the
company names in direct.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
There's a few of them out but one of them
I actually reached out to and I was I had
some concerns, and but then I kind of put things
on the back burner because it's like, okay, if you
got uh we're talking about non lethal alternatives.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Yeah, non lethal alternatives. But if you've got a I
don't know, a rock and a bat, which one would
you rather carry? A rock or a bat? Yeah, I'm
gonna cary a bat exactly. I would think i'd carry it.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
However, but would you carry being a contact weapon and
the rock being a weapon I could use at a distance.
So you know, I'm gonna have a I'm gonna have
a rock in my pocket and a bat.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Also okay, but.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
But now would you do this? Okay, so this is
a great segue. So would you is it? Would you
do that for a non lethal device?
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Okay? I had a firearm, so so I carry a gun,
and you know what I also carry. I also carry
a knife, a knife that most of it is to
open Casey Jane's Amazon boxes with to hopefully that I
get something in the box. But generally that's never the
case anyway. But I do carry it though, and and
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and it's a it's a it's a good little knife
in that. But let's talk about so this this came
up because I read a very interesting article in the
Washington Times by doctor John Lott, who's a friend of
gun Radio Utah, and he's done some research on this.
And it's the Washington Times this week, a non lethal
firearm alternative and it should you be carrying? Yeah? You
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know what, when we got all the training classes we carry,
you know, we learn about how to switch mags really
quick and use a flashlight. And this I got to
tell you all the gun guys, I know, very very
very few of them carry an extra magazine, let alone
two extra magazines, which is what we're generally training with.
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And other than like say Tom Gresham, who you can
hear his show every Sunday on the same radio station. Uh,
he carries extra mag and he carries two flashlights and
he's you know so, But but how many of you
do that? Or when you walk around the gun show,
you see the tasers, and you see the pepper ball guns,
and you see the kinetic energy weapons, and and that
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a lot of that a lot of far right, good
conservative uh talk show people are talking.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
We hear about it on this station every day from
multiple shows.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
And so to me, Bill, you start talking about all
these different things, I'm not you know, we can talk
about their effectiveness in a sec. But you get to
the point where if I carried all of the things
that were recommended to carry, I'd have a Batman utility
belt with the with the with the gun, the knife,
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the pepper spray, the taser, the the the you know,
the baton, the shark repellent, all that kind of stuff.
So yeah, yeah, yeah, that too, the and the yeah,
the what's I do actually have one of those grappling
hook launcher things for the for the can cannon. And
and by the way, now that reminds me Casey Jane
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rolls her eyes, because I have the can cannon which
fires a two two three blank and I have the
grappling hook attachment to it, and I'm taking it up
to the property and I'm going to do some grappling,
some grappling hook grappling type stuff. But anyway, so doctor Lott,
he wrote like this article a non lethal firearm Alternative
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in the Washington Times and He says that it's being
touted as if if you get into a situation, what
if you shoot somebody and kill them and you weren't justified.
Well what if you and so are they saying don't
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carry a gun or don't use a gun? And are
you really going to carry that item all the time,
Because if you're talking about self defense, it's gotta be
something you're going to carry with you when you go
out to the garbage can, let alone, you know, go
out to dinner.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Well, and there's one comment that I saw, and it's
kind of in reference to this, kind of says, if
you carry a gun, the problem with it is what
if you take someone's life and you're wrong?
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Mm hmm okay, okay, okay, granted, yeah, so.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
But but what if you're what if.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
You didn't need what if you did need to use
lethal force and all you brought with them with yourself
was a was a pepper ball gun that that the
person was immune to pepperballs. Yeah, I mean you can
you can get an in an you can not inoculate it,
but you can get a resistance to it build up.
Now I get that, Hey, this might be a great idea.
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I'm just being rational here. This might be a great
idea if you're in a community that or well, we're
pretty much done with those now, but in a in
a state that doesn't allow everybody allows concealed carry now,
but maybe you have to jump through too many hoops
or you're while you're waiting for your concealed carry permit
or something like that, or what if you have a
criminal history that prohibits you kind of like, uh, what's
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his name, Mel Gibson? Uh, who will talk about later
that that prohibits you from owning a firearm. Okay, then
I get it. Then I absolutely get it, and I'd
recommend something. And then since it's not a gun, are
these allowed in gun free zones? Of course? So no,
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they aren't.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
They allowed in schools? No, probably not. They allow an airline.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Definitely, no, definitely not. And now okay, so let's talk.
So Doctor a Lot actually has some has some very interesting,
I think interesting statistics. Says that some of the claims
made by these these firearm alternative type things, you know,
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they kind of say that they're kind of alluding to
the fact, or not to a fact, but alluding to
this that you use a gun. It's always going to
result in death. But it's entirely the opposite, because using
a gun doesn't necessarily mean shooting the gun. In fact,
what is it ninety Yeah, he's ninety five percent of
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defensive gun uses simply displaying the firearms stops the attack
without firing it. And then he goes on because I wondered,
and I was wondering aloud, and then I referred to
the article. I said, well, how many of the times
that you actually shoot is does the person die? And
he says a tiny fraction of one percent of dgused
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defensive gun uses result in a fatality or even a wounding.
So to me, the firearm is your less lethal alternative.
And if we learned anything from the movies, how do
you use a firearm less? Lethally?
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Do you use it?
Speaker 1 (16:10):
You shoot them in the legs. In the movies, they
just shoot him in the left. Isn't that what the
left tells me to do? I can't Why can't the
cops just shoot him in the leg Do you watch Reacher? Yeah,
it's great.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Did you see the last no episode?
Speaker 1 (16:23):
And don't tell me.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
I won't tell you, but think about watching the last
episode of this last series of Reacher and what happens
with a toy gun. I'll leave it at that.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
All right, So does it prove your point or my point?
Speaker 2 (16:39):
You wish you would have brought the real one?
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Oh okay? Well, and that's the thing. That's the thing,
because what happens if it doesn't work? You need to
use something, and it doesn't work because if the person
is wearing heavy clothing, or there's wind, or they have
they have a they have a an inoculation, so to speak,
to it, a resistance to it.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
So if you're going to carry something and it's about
the same size, yeah, and I don't know weight wise,
I'm gonna say it's pretty close, probably the same weight.
And you if if a gun can stop ninety five percent?
And these things, these things look like guns, they look
like fire yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, they definitely don't.
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You could take that hedge your bets and say, okay,
if I just display that, that could stop the thing.
But okay, what if law enforcements gets involved and sees
you with this? Yeah, okay, that changed.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
That changes before you have a chance to explain it's
it's this is a non lethal is.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
A salt pepper shaker.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Yeah, okay, okay, so uh. Doctor Lott in his in
his article in the Washington Times talks about a national
NIJ study. National Institute of Justice study found that pepper
gas works only twenty percent of the time when used
by officers. And if you ever watch the show Cops
or some of these things, they actually use pepper spray.
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I'm absolutely amazed that how it just doesn't work that well. Now,
I have been pepper sprayed a few times, and uh,
and it was it was in training. I wasn't a
criminalized well not necessarily. It still hurts like eck, but
you can get the job done. The first time. I
remember the first time, I thought it was going to die.
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I thought I was going to choke to death. But
after that the psychological thing. But anyway, twenty percent of
the time it works, and then what is it to Yeah,
so he talks about that. Then he says the Police
Research Forum found that nationwide tasers are ineffective about forty
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percent of the time. In fact, you brought up people
in the North, especially in the winter time. People love
criminals in the North pepper spray and tasers because they're
wearing very heavy jackets and yes, I know you get
fifty thousand volts to break that one inch gap even
but you sometimes with pig puffy jackets.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Yeah, voice won't penetrate.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
And actually he brought up Doctor Lot brought up that
wearing heavy earth no rubber sold shoes. Yeah, rubber sold
shoes tend to decrease the effectiveness of a taser. And
so I'm just wondering do you carry that? Oh, also,
what happens if you're carrying both that's Katy carrying all
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three and you make that split second decision to say
I'm going to use non lethal and you grab and
shoot and you realize oh crud, because it looks and
it feels and you and you actually use lethal. Now
that's happened. That's happened a law enforcement before. There's video
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of that. I don't know. I think that if they
allowed him in gun free zones and people that were
prohibited from carrying a firearm and may maybe maybe, I
don't know, what are some other reasons.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Maybe well they John brings up environmental factors. You know,
when rain may just spurse pepper spray. We talk about
that in the back country all the time. And do
you want to carry a can of bear spray with you,
or do you want to carry a ten mill I'm
always going to carry the ten mil, yeah, whether I
need it or I don't. You know, I figure my
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odds are just as good if I draw a gun
on a bear, maybe the barrel thing twice. I mean,
it's like I watched a YouTube video the other day.
A guy pulls out a gun, and the commenter on
the YouTube video says, and then the bear gets a
whiff of the smell of the gun and things. I've
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smelled that before, and I better turn around and walk away.
I'm laughing my butt off. I'm like, come on, I'm
not realistic, but it's something to think about. And we
always we have these conversations, whether it's with our spouses
or with our kids. Do we carry lethal or do
we want to carry left less lethal? Carry everything like
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a Batman utility exactly. But what I say, deal with
problem number one. You say this all the time and
then worry about problem number two later. And if that
means you're not comfortable with carrying a firearm, maybe the
less less lethal is is more for you. But if
you think it's gonna stop someone, don't think that it's
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gonna possibly.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Okay, So that that's wise wisdom. And Casey Jane has
her own you know everything, and she says, shoot first,
then tayse, then shoot again. That's not me. That's not me,
that is not that is not gun Radio Utah advised.
But that is U. That's Casey Jane. Anyways, when we
come back on gun Radio Utah more to come, stay tuned.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
I would use a flamethrower.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
But yes, that was me. And when I brought it
up to Casey Jane, she rolled her eyes and said,
call the weed guy an Well, I saw.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
It in the news. Someone was cleaning their ditches and
it got out of control. And the first thing came
to mind shoes.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Oh, sure, blame the flame thrower. Blame the flame thrower.
It's always that. Yeah, it's it's the person, not the flamethrower.
Yeah youah. So anyway, Hey, if your flamethrower is not working,
or more appropriate, maybe your gun's not working. Yeah, get
it over to the gunsmith the sportsman's warehouse. The gunsmith
at Sportsman's Warehouse can fix a just Sarah coat cover.
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What are some other adjectives to use or things to anyway?
Whatever what's that bling blame? Really you would bring okay anyway, Okay,
Casey Channing, So anyway, get over to the gunsmith. They're
at sixteen thirty South fifty seventy West in Salt Lake City.
Give them a call it eight O one three zero
four eighty seventy, or if you're just too far from
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Salt Lake City, get it into any of the over
one hundred and forty six Sportsman's warehouse locations. They'll get
it to the gunsmith for you for whatever needs to
be done, Bill real quickly. Twenty two more gun owners
sue Sig Sour, alleging their three twenty fired unintentionally. What
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is the one thing we hear when somebody's gun goes off?
Two things we hear if it's a hunter, it was
their dog, their dog did it especially for duck hunters.
And two it just went off. It just went off.
I was cleaning it, bam it went I don't know
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what it is anyway, Okay. So I started looking into this,
and there's a few YouTubers and gun what do you
call influencers maybe something like that, that are now finally
turning around and saying, oh, no, Sig, you've got a
problem here and you need to fix this and blah
blah blah. My big deal is is that the plaintiffs,
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by the way, all these twenty two I think it's
it's ninety five percent of them are all represented by
the same plaintiff attorney. Very interesting, that's convenient. Yeah, and
and and previously so yeah, anyway, so they cannot Plaintiff's
council nor SIGG can can replicate this happening. They just
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can't rup And yeah, there's there's been video of the gun,
just like, go, I don't know anyway to me, I'm
in fact, we just talked about I'm gonna go buy
another three twenty here, yeah exactly. Maybe they'll be cheaper.
Maybe they'll be cheaper either like Tesla's or something like
that right now. But anyway, so this thought, I'd throw
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that out because I'm reserving it. And not only am
I reserving my my, I'm buying another one.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Yeah, that's it. It's just sad that, I mean, they
this is a money grab big time. And if they
can put another company out of business.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Hey, if they can hurt SIG, they're gonna hurt anybody exactly,
And you know you realize you don't have to pay
tariffs on SIGs because they're made here in the USA.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
And yeah, we're talking about tariffs. Why don't we just uh,
let's talk about tariff's have been in the news. We've
all seen this that comes own news. Trump says, Yep,
all these countries, here's their tariffs as we're gonna be
thrown on them. We did some digging, You did some
digging on this, and you had some interesting numbers in
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regards to So.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Yeah, so I talked with Brent connect with Flash my Brass.
So Flash my Brass has the ram location and the
West Jordan drapers. Oh draper, excuse me. So anyway, and
so Brent was saying, and so he's out in Tulsa.
I mean the store is open today obviously, you know,
and go down there for fantastic deals. And my recommendation
(26:04):
is you actually get down there today to get some
deals because he just put an order in Thursday and Friday.
The tariffs haven't hit yet. But listen to the tariffs
on Ammo. That because Ammo comes from all over the country.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Right and all over the world.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Mag Tech, Ammo not made in the US. Very very
very very popular range. Yeah, there's a tariff of ten
percent on that. Now Norma Ammo, Norma's the Swedish Swedish
folks twenty percent tariff on Norma Ammo PMC twenty five percent, Wow,
S and B cell you're in below Bellot Bellet below
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S and B twenty percent, Igman thirty six percent PPU.
I've been seeing a lot of pistol Ammo PPU thirty
seven percent tariff on that that will obviously be passed
down to you. And what's in interesting as Brent said this,
he says because he's been he's been watching this with
flash my arrest, and that he says that even the
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US companies that are manufacturing here in the United States,
in Minnesota and everywhere else, they're gonna follow suits.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Oh yeah, they're gonna.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Raise their price. Yeah, they're going to raise their prices
as well. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
And now we just set a new bar for Ammo prices.
So yeah, so and.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
So get down there if you're thinking about buying, especially
some bulk Ammo, Uh, get down there and buy it.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
By the reason why this he can get this Ammo
without it hitting a tariff yet is because this Ammo
is already in the US.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Yeah yeah, and it's being.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Held at warehouses. They bring it in. Once it's gone,
they have to bring more from overseas.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
That's where he literally said, this week or next week
or the week after it's it's probably gonna.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Shine, I would imagine. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
So anyway, very good. What was I just talking about, Bill?
We're talking about Oh sig, I'm done.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Yep, we're done with big Let's talk about our favorite senator.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Oh oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Let's get into this one. We've got how much so
he said a record? Oh we only have a minute.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Well, he sent, well, okay.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
You do yours. We'll say really, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Well, I mean I have Mel mel Gibson. So mel
Gibson back in twenty eleven, MM, he pleaded no contest,
which is basically the same as being guilty to a
battery charge in boarding involving his former girlfriend. And I
believe that was in California. All right, So anyway, that's
a misdemeanor domestic violence charge. Now states handle it one way.
(28:41):
But regardless of our state handles it, if you have
that charge still on your record, you can't have a
gun federally anywhere you're prohibited, and any defense attorney. Now,
there are some states that will ameliorate or have it,
you know, white clean or do something like that, or
have it exponged or whatever, but in some states don't.
(29:03):
But regardless, if it's still on your record, federally, you
can't buy a gun. Well, I didn't know Mel was
was buddies with the Trump administration, with with Donald Trump himself,
but the new Attorney General, Pam Bondi, said that Mel
Gibson and nine others who had petitioned to get their
(29:24):
gun rights back, which has been a thing in the
in the Department of Justice for a long time. It
just hasn't been ever funded. So it was not a thing.
It was a thing, but it just was never funded.
So the Justice Department, Pambody, took it away from the ATF,
took away that program and just put it right in
(29:45):
the Justice Department. And so now they're doing this. Well,
so so there's a few things. Is that yeah, I mean,
is this a thing? And he tried to buy he
said that he says a lawyer from a Gibson had
asked the Trump administration to restore his gun rights, saying
that in recent years he had tried to buy a
(30:05):
weapon in Nevada but was denied because of that conviction. Okay,
so if you try to buy a gun and you're
a prohibited person, that's a whole nother crime in and
of it South.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
And you know you can't be in possession.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Yeah. Yeah, So I'm just I'm just wondering. There's there's
a few things that that i'd asked, the questions I'd
have to ask Max about this. So anyway, okay, when
we come back, we're going to talk about the record
that a United States senator just did just broke, just
broke the records when we come back on Gun Radio, Utah,
(30:39):
stay tuned. I was just telling Bill I just finally
finished finished it completely and had the electricians come in
and uh because I yanked out all the con to
it to get the palate walls in oh and so,
and I probably could have done it myself, but I
you know what, they knew what they were doing. Two guys.
So anyway, Uh, oh, you were going to talk about
(31:02):
a record set by a United States senator, Senator Corey Booker,
And actually this record isn't about the filibuster. What do
you mean?
Speaker 2 (31:15):
No, this is not about.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Phil has another record.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
He has another record, But this is I mean, are
we surprised? Are we not surprised this stuff happens?
Speaker 1 (31:25):
I mean, is this the okay for THEE but not
for me? No, okay for me, but not for THEE.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Exactly, he's got a driver that he likes to skirt
around behind security and have him go around security, so
to speak. Why would you go around security though, must
be hiding something. Well, they found out what he was hiding.
He was carrying a firearm. So his bodyguard, his driver,
(31:55):
his personal protector just got arrested. But carrying a firearm
on the Capitol.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
But from what I understood, it wasn't. I mean, I
could almost understand it if it was a bodyguard, even
though it would be illegal protector. But it was his driver.
It was his driver.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Is his driver?
Speaker 1 (32:11):
You know what this this? This from what I understand,
this guy's a retired New Jersey cop.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
He knows better.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
So basically the rules don't apply to him anyway. Yeah, exactly,
But they had to have known so so you can't
just if you're the driver or executive staff, you can't
just walk around of your own accord, walk around security.
You need help and so who So it was the
senator get around security.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
So that's the question I've got. If you've got a
senator that is intentionally getting someone around or going around security,
someone with a firearm that he knows should not have
a firearm and going around security, Isn't Booker just as guiltful?
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Oh? Absolutely, I think even more so. I think even
more so so I think for Booker, I'm just gonna
throw that.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Bats retired New York police officer and the driver for Senator. Oops,
I've got to fire armammy. But yeah, he could be
facing one to ten years in federal prison.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Now, why such a huge disparity one year or ten
years or you know, I mean, why is there such
a huge difference in there?
Speaker 2 (33:30):
I mean the size of the gun?
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Is that what it is? What if it had what
if it had a magazine over ten rounds? Because Booker
was all about extended what he calls extended or expanded magazines.
Uh semi, oh this is all about Now, maybe Booker
should be concentrating less than filibustering and more on having
(33:55):
his staff, not not aiding and abetting his staff in
criminal activities with firearms. Well, personally, personally, Oh, this will
be good.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
I hope they do. I hope they throw the booker
at the book or the booker at the book at
the booker. Yeah, because really he would have done the
same thing. If this was a Republican this would have
been all over CNN, this would have been all over MSN, NBC.
I mean they would have had I mean, stop, we
(34:28):
have something bigger than January sixth now.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Yeah, yeah, we've gotten bigger than that.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Yeah, exactly. So anyway, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Hey, I got a call from from Paul at who's
now associated with the Davis County Range. You know, we
talked about wats that shooters and that kind of stuff.
Apparently they are moving quite rapidly as we speak to
get that up and running again, the beautiful range up
on the east bench in Davis, Davis County. And Paul
(34:59):
is actually looking at uh being a the rain master there,
so he may be. I don't know if it's if
it's chosen yet, but Davis kind of Sheriff's department is
doing that. So I am glad for a number of reasons.
One that they're just not gonna build homes up there.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Yeah, and we should go spend a Saturday up there.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
I think I think actually we're planning on that. Uh
So Paul and I talked, and we're gonna we're gonna
check out the signal strength and maybe they're gonna have
a grand opening maybe next month. Oh and we're gonna
we're gonna look into we're gonna look into doing a
live live from up there. But I think we need
to get a bunch of other vendors, Silencer co. You know,
(35:38):
maybe Sportsman's shields, that kind of stuff, get him up
there for the grand opening. But yeah, so so stay
tuned for that. Hey, also maybe next week if you haven't,
If you don't know what a flux writer is, you should,
great Utah company that makes the coolest attachment that that's
(36:00):
spending right now. They're SIGs. And I'm not gonna say
anything else. You can't make me, but for SIG three
twenties and H three sixty five's, the three twenties are
cool because you don't even have to have they'll just
go off by themselves.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Yeah, exactly automatic, Oh pretty much.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
They're basically wireless or you know, touchless. Anyway, that's that's
not true. Anyway, that's not true at all. Love the three.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
My cousin's coming into town.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Yeah, yeah, Cody's going to be there, and uh so
he's with Flux. And check out the SIG web page
under pistols and you can see the SIG Flux Raider.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Actually pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
It's the is it the Legion, the SIG Legion, Lux
Legion or something like that. Check them out. We're going
to have the inventor and the president on I think
it's the next week.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Yeah, that'd be awesome. Yeah, that'll be a good kid.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
All right, be careful out there, go go shooting and
clean up after yourself.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Yeah, have a great weekend. Everyone will see you next week.
You says
From the the beautiful Lake, the shores of beautiful Lake
Decker of Decker Lake, Lake Decker, It's Decker Lake, Beautiful
Decker Lake. And we've got a we've got a heck
of a show for Yeah, I mean it was funny.
I was looking at Denny in the video and he's, uh,
he's realizing I didn't have my ears on and he's
(00:21):
waving friends.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Well, we were kind of in a side conversation.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Yeah, I had a lot of side conversations. But remind me,
I got to call Erica with sig so and get
that done. Anyways, let's talk about let's talk about what
we're going to talk about to talk about talk about. Gee,
Mel Gibson mad Max. Isn't he mad? He's mad? Max? Yeah,
why don't aways get him confused with anyway? Mel Gibson
(00:47):
wants a gun, but he can't have a gun. But
he can't have a gun. And we're going to talk
about that because there's a little, uh, you know, a
little back and forth. Apparently Custom and Border Patrol hate
fake guns. Yeah, they're they're they're seizing a bunch of
fake guns. Uh and oh, sig sour six hours, Well,
(01:10):
it's not that they're back in the news. They're still
in the news. And I got to tell you, I
love my SIGs. I like my sib sig optics, I
like my SIG guns. I like my SIG rifles, the
mc X, the pistols. But apparently some people cannot handle
their SIG without it going you know, pew pew pew.
(01:32):
I don't know something, and I don't know how you
feel about it. I've heard some internet YouTubers. They are saying, oh, no,
sig SIG is bad now, and and they're they're you know, oh,
it must be bad. Well, you know if you look
at it, Well, we'll we'll talk about it. Should we
talk about it later?
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Yeah, we can talk about it later, because it's I
I shake my head. I'm just like, Okay, what's the
problem with these people?
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Well, I don't know, you know what, Well, we'll talk
talk about it. We'll talk about it. But anyways, so, uh,
so remind me to talk about that, and then, uh, Colorado,
I'm gonna talk about Colorado and what what bill is
waiting to be signed by Governor Jared Paulis Polis Paulis
(02:17):
police and uh. One of the big ones was I
was talking with John Lott yesterday and he had sent
me a his Washington Times news article regarding non lethal
alternatives to guns. And for me, I thought the non
(02:37):
lethal alternative to guns was just shooting somebody in the leg.
That isn't that the non lethal way to do it
in the movies? Yeah, you can still use a gun
non lethally if you go on in your back porch.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Why do we have to shoot him dead?
Speaker 1 (02:54):
By so anyway, I want to I want to do that. Bell.
I know you were working, you were working on a
few things there. Yeah, we love that one.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Okay, I'm gonna just start with this one. It'll say,
and this is right from the article from Rachel Stevens.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Okay, all right, well well.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Well another day, another glorious episode for rules for THEE,
but not for me. And we're going to talk rules
for THEE.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Yeah, we'll talk about the senator that said that, what
it means and.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Like a United States senator, Yes, one of our favorites. Really. Yeah,
your phase, your buddies, and I'm like your team. Yeah,
all right, and you had something else I don't know
if it was Turkey's, it was something that was living
was to be coming up.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
But yeah, make sure you know Big Game application goes
to the twenty fourth, make sure you get in on that.
For those other Spring Turkey limited entry Turkey that starts
Saturday Day, Yeah, on the twelfth, So next Saturday Spring
(04:05):
Turkey Limited Hunt and then our big hunt the general
season will start on the twenty eighth. And there's some
youth hunts.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Okay, so I know you can use you can use
dogs to help hunt cougar and that kind of stuff,
right well, to chase them, I mean, okay, to chase them.
Ye can I can I use kangaroo to help chase
to chase the turkeys because she likes doing that anyway. Yeah,
and I thought we'll have that's a good idea. No,
that's not a good idea. Yeah, okay, yeah, I would
(04:37):
not reckon. Is there a prohibition against that?
Speaker 2 (04:40):
I haven't seen one.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Okay, there probably will be next let yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Out by your neck of the woods, there probably will be.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Yeah, yeah, probably. So anyway, Uh, let's see we got talking, Yeah,
we got yeah, we got some time. Are you done
with your with your stuff? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Yeah yeah yeah, so yeah, just don't forget to get
your Big Game applications got everyone right. Yeah, everyone probably
saw the news about out of stater permits just skyrocket.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Oh yeah, if you're out of state.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
I think Representative Snyder had something to do with that,
because remembering in legislation this life, I know, we're talking
about who cares about the out of staters. Yeah, let's
stick it to the out of representa Corey Snyder. I'm
sure he had something to do with that. Casey, yeah,
Casey Snyder. What did I say?
Speaker 1 (05:29):
He said, Corey?
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Oh yeah, different, Corey yeah, Casey Snyder.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Ye. So anyway, all right, so let's talk about Colorado
because we're Colorado touchers, you know, yeah, we are so
in fact, and you went to County. If you went
to County, when the wind is just right, you can
smell Colorado.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
What does that smell?
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Almost like hippies and and and old socks and and
marija on America. So yeah, when the wind just blow
it just right. So anyway, Uh, there's a bill on
his desk SB. They have weird bill numbers SB twenty
five dash zero zero three. Maybe that's third substitute. Anyway,
(06:16):
he's thinking about signing into line. Probably will that prohibits
the purchase or sale of rapid fire conversion devices. Does
that not sound a lot like the crap that we
put up with this last session conversion devices and that,
but an example bump stocks or binary triggers. Now, they
(06:38):
never talked about binary triggers, but I know that study and.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Oh they did they Yeah, force triggers and binary triggers.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Okay. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
In fact, it's funny that your article brings up bump stocks,
bump stocks, but they don't mention anything about semi automatic.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Oh no, no, it it's restricting. Uh, it puts stricter
licensing restrictions on semi auto weapons.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Yeah, gosh, you know what we're going to be. We're
going to be the next Illinois, you know, following guns
into Colorado. I mean Illinois, Illinois, Okay, becoming to Utah
to Yeah, no kidding. Hey, So there's a deal. You
bring your marijuana over and I'll trade you for guns.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
See see right there, you're committing more crimes in one sentence.
Then I can even keep track of you. Then. So yeah,
because you're touching them first, huh County, they're thirty minutes
away from us.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Yeah, yeah, you can smell them then.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Yeah, and uh, and I think there's more subar rus
per capita than any other state. I don't know. Anyway,
all right, I'll tell you what when we come back,
we are going to Oh, we're going to talk about
the non lethal firearm alternative. Should you get one?
Speaker 2 (08:00):
And and I got a lot of thought process on
that one.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Oh yeah, all right, when we come back on Gun
Radio Utah, stay tuned.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
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Speaker 1 (08:22):
Speaking of which I want to I want to do
something with the zapp tax ZAP tax. Well, just just
entities that take advantage of the zapp tax. And I
think it's just Salt Lake County, but they if they're
taking our tax money zoo arts and parts, Zoo arts
and parks tax, then they shouldn't be restricting people that
(08:45):
the public that carry cars.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Anyway, very good point. Yes, anyway, you've got We were
talking about this earlier as we were prepping for the show,
and I had a lot of comments on this because
one of the companies. We're not going to say the
company names in direct.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
There's a few of them out but one of them
I actually reached out to and I was I had
some concerns, and but then I kind of put things
on the back burner because it's like, okay, if you
got uh we're talking about non lethal alternatives.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Yeah, non lethal alternatives. But if you've got a I
don't know, a rock and a bat, which one would
you rather carry? A rock or a bat? Yeah, I'm
gonna cary a bat exactly. I would think i'd carry it.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
However, but would you carry being a contact weapon and
the rock being a weapon I could use at a distance.
So you know, I'm gonna have a I'm gonna have
a rock in my pocket and a bat.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Also okay, but.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
But now would you do this? Okay, so this is
a great segue. So would you is it? Would you
do that for a non lethal device?
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Okay? I had a firearm, so so I carry a gun,
and you know what I also carry. I also carry
a knife, a knife that most of it is to
open Casey Jane's Amazon boxes with to hopefully that I
get something in the box. But generally that's never the
case anyway. But I do carry it though, and and
(10:12):
and it's a it's a it's a good little knife
in that. But let's talk about so this this came
up because I read a very interesting article in the
Washington Times by doctor John Lott, who's a friend of
gun Radio Utah, and he's done some research on this.
And it's the Washington Times this week, a non lethal
firearm alternative and it should you be carrying? Yeah? You
(10:39):
know what, when we got all the training classes we carry,
you know, we learn about how to switch mags really
quick and use a flashlight. And this I got to
tell you all the gun guys, I know, very very
very few of them carry an extra magazine, let alone
two extra magazines, which is what we're generally training with.
(10:59):
And other than like say Tom Gresham, who you can
hear his show every Sunday on the same radio station. Uh,
he carries extra mag and he carries two flashlights and
he's you know so, But but how many of you
do that? Or when you walk around the gun show,
you see the tasers, and you see the pepper ball guns,
and you see the kinetic energy weapons, and and that
(11:20):
a lot of that a lot of far right, good
conservative uh talk show people are talking.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
We hear about it on this station every day from
multiple shows.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
And so to me, Bill, you start talking about all
these different things, I'm not you know, we can talk
about their effectiveness in a sec. But you get to
the point where if I carried all of the things
that were recommended to carry, I'd have a Batman utility
belt with the with the with the gun, the knife,
(11:52):
the pepper spray, the taser, the the the you know,
the baton, the shark repellent, all that kind of stuff.
So yeah, yeah, yeah, that too, the and the yeah,
the what's I do actually have one of those grappling
hook launcher things for the for the can cannon. And
and by the way, now that reminds me Casey Jane
(12:13):
rolls her eyes, because I have the can cannon which
fires a two two three blank and I have the
grappling hook attachment to it, and I'm taking it up
to the property and I'm going to do some grappling,
some grappling hook grappling type stuff. But anyway, so doctor Lott,
he wrote like this article a non lethal firearm Alternative
(12:33):
in the Washington Times and He says that it's being
touted as if if you get into a situation, what
if you shoot somebody and kill them and you weren't justified.
Well what if you and so are they saying don't
(12:54):
carry a gun or don't use a gun? And are
you really going to carry that item all the time,
Because if you're talking about self defense, it's gotta be
something you're going to carry with you when you go
out to the garbage can, let alone, you know, go
out to dinner.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Well, and there's one comment that I saw, and it's
kind of in reference to this, kind of says, if
you carry a gun, the problem with it is what
if you take someone's life and you're wrong?
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Mm hmm okay, okay, okay, granted, yeah, so.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
But but what if you're what if.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
You didn't need what if you did need to use
lethal force and all you brought with them with yourself
was a was a pepper ball gun that that the
person was immune to pepperballs. Yeah, I mean you can
you can get an in an you can not inoculate it,
but you can get a resistance to it build up.
Now I get that, Hey, this might be a great idea.
(13:54):
I'm just being rational here. This might be a great
idea if you're in a community that or well, we're
pretty much done with those now, but in a in
a state that doesn't allow everybody allows concealed carry now,
but maybe you have to jump through too many hoops
or you're while you're waiting for your concealed carry permit
or something like that, or what if you have a
criminal history that prohibits you kind of like, uh, what's
(14:18):
his name, Mel Gibson? Uh, who will talk about later
that that prohibits you from owning a firearm. Okay, then
I get it. Then I absolutely get it, and I'd
recommend something. And then since it's not a gun, are
these allowed in gun free zones? Of course? So no,
(14:40):
they aren't.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
They allowed in schools? No, probably not. They allow an airline.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Definitely, no, definitely not. And now okay, so let's talk.
So Doctor a Lot actually has some has some very interesting,
I think interesting statistics. Says that some of the claims
made by these these firearm alternative type things, you know,
(15:07):
they kind of say that they're kind of alluding to
the fact, or not to a fact, but alluding to
this that you use a gun. It's always going to
result in death. But it's entirely the opposite, because using
a gun doesn't necessarily mean shooting the gun. In fact,
what is it ninety Yeah, he's ninety five percent of
(15:30):
defensive gun uses simply displaying the firearms stops the attack
without firing it. And then he goes on because I wondered,
and I was wondering aloud, and then I referred to
the article. I said, well, how many of the times
that you actually shoot is does the person die? And
he says a tiny fraction of one percent of dgused
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defensive gun uses result in a fatality or even a wounding.
So to me, the firearm is your less lethal alternative.
And if we learned anything from the movies, how do
you use a firearm less? Lethally?
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Do you use it?
Speaker 1 (16:10):
You shoot them in the legs. In the movies, they
just shoot him in the left. Isn't that what the
left tells me to do? I can't Why can't the
cops just shoot him in the leg Do you watch Reacher? Yeah,
it's great.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Did you see the last no episode?
Speaker 1 (16:23):
And don't tell me.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
I won't tell you, but think about watching the last
episode of this last series of Reacher and what happens
with a toy gun. I'll leave it at that.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
All right, So does it prove your point or my point?
Speaker 2 (16:39):
You wish you would have brought the real one?
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Oh okay? Well, and that's the thing. That's the thing,
because what happens if it doesn't work? You need to
use something, and it doesn't work because if the person
is wearing heavy clothing, or there's wind, or they have
they have a they have a an inoculation, so to speak,
to it, a resistance to it.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
So if you're going to carry something and it's about
the same size, yeah, and I don't know weight wise,
I'm gonna say it's pretty close, probably the same weight.
And you if if a gun can stop ninety five percent?
And these things, these things look like guns, they look
like fire yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, they definitely don't.
(17:20):
You could take that hedge your bets and say, okay,
if I just display that, that could stop the thing.
But okay, what if law enforcements gets involved and sees
you with this? Yeah, okay, that changed.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
That changes before you have a chance to explain it's
it's this is a non lethal is.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
A salt pepper shaker.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Yeah, okay, okay, so uh. Doctor Lott in his in
his article in the Washington Times talks about a national
NIJ study. National Institute of Justice study found that pepper
gas works only twenty percent of the time when used
by officers. And if you ever watch the show Cops
or some of these things, they actually use pepper spray.
(18:02):
I'm absolutely amazed that how it just doesn't work that well. Now,
I have been pepper sprayed a few times, and uh,
and it was it was in training. I wasn't a
criminalized well not necessarily. It still hurts like eck, but
you can get the job done. The first time. I
remember the first time, I thought it was going to die.
(18:24):
I thought I was going to choke to death. But
after that the psychological thing. But anyway, twenty percent of
the time it works, and then what is it to Yeah,
so he talks about that. Then he says the Police
Research Forum found that nationwide tasers are ineffective about forty
(18:45):
percent of the time. In fact, you brought up people
in the North, especially in the winter time. People love
criminals in the North pepper spray and tasers because they're
wearing very heavy jackets and yes, I know you get
fifty thousand volts to break that one inch gap even
but you sometimes with pig puffy jackets.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Yeah, voice won't penetrate.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
And actually he brought up Doctor Lot brought up that
wearing heavy earth no rubber sold shoes. Yeah, rubber sold
shoes tend to decrease the effectiveness of a taser. And
so I'm just wondering do you carry that? Oh, also,
what happens if you're carrying both that's Katy carrying all
(19:26):
three and you make that split second decision to say
I'm going to use non lethal and you grab and
shoot and you realize oh crud, because it looks and
it feels and you and you actually use lethal. Now
that's happened. That's happened a law enforcement before. There's video
(19:48):
of that. I don't know. I think that if they
allowed him in gun free zones and people that were
prohibited from carrying a firearm and may maybe maybe, I
don't know, what are some other reasons.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Maybe well they John brings up environmental factors. You know,
when rain may just spurse pepper spray. We talk about
that in the back country all the time. And do
you want to carry a can of bear spray with you,
or do you want to carry a ten mill I'm
always going to carry the ten mil, yeah, whether I
need it or I don't. You know, I figure my
(20:27):
odds are just as good if I draw a gun
on a bear, maybe the barrel thing twice. I mean,
it's like I watched a YouTube video the other day.
A guy pulls out a gun, and the commenter on
the YouTube video says, and then the bear gets a
whiff of the smell of the gun and things. I've
(20:48):
smelled that before, and I better turn around and walk away.
I'm laughing my butt off. I'm like, come on, I'm
not realistic, but it's something to think about. And we
always we have these conversations, whether it's with our spouses
or with our kids. Do we carry lethal or do
we want to carry left less lethal? Carry everything like
(21:10):
a Batman utility exactly. But what I say, deal with
problem number one. You say this all the time and
then worry about problem number two later. And if that
means you're not comfortable with carrying a firearm, maybe the
less less lethal is is more for you. But if
you think it's gonna stop someone, don't think that it's
(21:30):
gonna possibly.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Okay, So that that's wise wisdom. And Casey Jane has
her own you know everything, and she says, shoot first,
then tayse, then shoot again. That's not me. That's not me,
that is not that is not gun Radio Utah advised.
But that is U. That's Casey Jane. Anyways, when we
come back on gun Radio Utah more to come, stay tuned.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
I would use a flamethrower.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
But yes, that was me. And when I brought it
up to Casey Jane, she rolled her eyes and said,
call the weed guy an Well, I saw.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
It in the news. Someone was cleaning their ditches and
it got out of control. And the first thing came
to mind shoes.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Oh, sure, blame the flame thrower. Blame the flame thrower.
It's always that. Yeah, it's it's the person, not the flamethrower.
Yeah youah. So anyway, Hey, if your flamethrower is not working,
or more appropriate, maybe your gun's not working. Yeah, get
it over to the gunsmith the sportsman's warehouse. The gunsmith
at Sportsman's Warehouse can fix a just Sarah coat cover.
(22:36):
What are some other adjectives to use or things to anyway?
Whatever what's that bling blame? Really you would bring okay anyway, Okay,
Casey Channing, So anyway, get over to the gunsmith. They're
at sixteen thirty South fifty seventy West in Salt Lake City.
Give them a call it eight O one three zero
four eighty seventy, or if you're just too far from
(22:57):
Salt Lake City, get it into any of the over
one hundred and forty six Sportsman's warehouse locations. They'll get
it to the gunsmith for you for whatever needs to
be done, Bill real quickly. Twenty two more gun owners
sue Sig Sour, alleging their three twenty fired unintentionally. What
(23:19):
is the one thing we hear when somebody's gun goes off?
Two things we hear if it's a hunter, it was
their dog, their dog did it especially for duck hunters.
And two it just went off. It just went off.
I was cleaning it, bam it went I don't know
(23:40):
what it is anyway, Okay. So I started looking into this,
and there's a few YouTubers and gun what do you
call influencers maybe something like that, that are now finally
turning around and saying, oh, no, Sig, you've got a
problem here and you need to fix this and blah
blah blah. My big deal is is that the plaintiffs,
(24:05):
by the way, all these twenty two I think it's
it's ninety five percent of them are all represented by
the same plaintiff attorney. Very interesting, that's convenient. Yeah, and
and and previously so yeah, anyway, so they cannot Plaintiff's
council nor SIGG can can replicate this happening. They just
(24:30):
can't rup And yeah, there's there's been video of the gun,
just like, go, I don't know anyway to me, I'm
in fact, we just talked about I'm gonna go buy
another three twenty here, yeah exactly. Maybe they'll be cheaper.
Maybe they'll be cheaper either like Tesla's or something like
that right now. But anyway, so this thought, I'd throw
(24:51):
that out because I'm reserving it. And not only am
I reserving my my, I'm buying another one.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Yeah, that's it. It's just sad that, I mean, they
this is a money grab big time. And if they
can put another company out of business.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Hey, if they can hurt SIG, they're gonna hurt anybody exactly,
And you know you realize you don't have to pay
tariffs on SIGs because they're made here in the USA.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
And yeah, we're talking about tariffs. Why don't we just uh,
let's talk about tariff's have been in the news. We've
all seen this that comes own news. Trump says, Yep,
all these countries, here's their tariffs as we're gonna be
thrown on them. We did some digging, You did some
digging on this, and you had some interesting numbers in
(25:39):
regards to So.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Yeah, so I talked with Brent connect with Flash my Brass.
So Flash my Brass has the ram location and the
West Jordan drapers. Oh draper, excuse me. So anyway, and
so Brent was saying, and so he's out in Tulsa.
I mean the store is open today obviously, you know,
and go down there for fantastic deals. And my recommendation
(26:04):
is you actually get down there today to get some
deals because he just put an order in Thursday and Friday.
The tariffs haven't hit yet. But listen to the tariffs
on Ammo. That because Ammo comes from all over the country.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Right and all over the world.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Mag Tech, Ammo not made in the US. Very very
very very popular range. Yeah, there's a tariff of ten
percent on that. Now Norma Ammo, Norma's the Swedish Swedish
folks twenty percent tariff on Norma Ammo PMC twenty five percent, Wow,
S and B cell you're in below Bellot Bellet below
(26:45):
S and B twenty percent, Igman thirty six percent PPU.
I've been seeing a lot of pistol Ammo PPU thirty
seven percent tariff on that that will obviously be passed
down to you. And what's in interesting as Brent said this,
he says because he's been he's been watching this with
flash my arrest, and that he says that even the
(27:07):
US companies that are manufacturing here in the United States,
in Minnesota and everywhere else, they're gonna follow suits.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Oh yeah, they're gonna.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Raise their price. Yeah, they're going to raise their prices
as well. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
And now we just set a new bar for Ammo prices.
So yeah, so and.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
So get down there if you're thinking about buying, especially
some bulk Ammo, Uh, get down there and buy it.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
By the reason why this he can get this Ammo
without it hitting a tariff yet is because this Ammo
is already in the US.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Yeah yeah, and it's being.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Held at warehouses. They bring it in. Once it's gone,
they have to bring more from overseas.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
That's where he literally said, this week or next week
or the week after it's it's probably gonna.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Shine, I would imagine. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
So anyway, very good. What was I just talking about, Bill?
We're talking about Oh sig, I'm done.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Yep, we're done with big Let's talk about our favorite senator.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Oh oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Let's get into this one. We've got how much so
he said a record? Oh we only have a minute.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Well, he sent, well, okay.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
You do yours. We'll say really, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Well, I mean I have Mel mel Gibson. So mel
Gibson back in twenty eleven, MM, he pleaded no contest,
which is basically the same as being guilty to a
battery charge in boarding involving his former girlfriend. And I
believe that was in California. All right, So anyway, that's
a misdemeanor domestic violence charge. Now states handle it one way.
(28:41):
But regardless of our state handles it, if you have
that charge still on your record, you can't have a
gun federally anywhere you're prohibited, and any defense attorney. Now,
there are some states that will ameliorate or have it,
you know, white clean or do something like that, or
have it exponged or whatever, but in some states don't.
(29:03):
But regardless, if it's still on your record, federally, you
can't buy a gun. Well, I didn't know Mel was
was buddies with the Trump administration, with with Donald Trump himself,
but the new Attorney General, Pam Bondi, said that Mel
Gibson and nine others who had petitioned to get their
(29:24):
gun rights back, which has been a thing in the
in the Department of Justice for a long time. It
just hasn't been ever funded. So it was not a thing.
It was a thing, but it just was never funded.
So the Justice Department, Pambody, took it away from the ATF,
took away that program and just put it right in
(29:45):
the Justice Department. And so now they're doing this. Well,
so so there's a few things. Is that yeah, I mean,
is this a thing? And he tried to buy he
said that he says a lawyer from a Gibson had
asked the Trump administration to restore his gun rights, saying
that in recent years he had tried to buy a
(30:05):
weapon in Nevada but was denied because of that conviction. Okay,
so if you try to buy a gun and you're
a prohibited person, that's a whole nother crime in and
of it South.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
And you know you can't be in possession.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Yeah. Yeah, So I'm just I'm just wondering. There's there's
a few things that that i'd asked, the questions I'd
have to ask Max about this. So anyway, okay, when
we come back, we're going to talk about the record
that a United States senator just did just broke, just
broke the records when we come back on Gun Radio, Utah,
(30:39):
stay tuned. I was just telling Bill I just finally
finished finished it completely and had the electricians come in
and uh because I yanked out all the con to
it to get the palate walls in oh and so,
and I probably could have done it myself, but I
you know what, they knew what they were doing. Two guys.
So anyway, Uh, oh, you were going to talk about
(31:02):
a record set by a United States senator, Senator Corey Booker,
And actually this record isn't about the filibuster. What do
you mean?
Speaker 2 (31:15):
No, this is not about.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Phil has another record.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
He has another record, But this is I mean, are
we surprised? Are we not surprised this stuff happens?
Speaker 1 (31:25):
I mean, is this the okay for THEE but not
for me? No, okay for me, but not for THEE.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Exactly, he's got a driver that he likes to skirt
around behind security and have him go around security, so
to speak. Why would you go around security though, must
be hiding something. Well, they found out what he was hiding.
He was carrying a firearm. So his bodyguard, his driver,
(31:55):
his personal protector just got arrested. But carrying a firearm
on the Capitol.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
But from what I understood, it wasn't. I mean, I
could almost understand it if it was a bodyguard, even
though it would be illegal protector. But it was his driver.
It was his driver.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Is his driver?
Speaker 1 (32:11):
You know what this this? This from what I understand,
this guy's a retired New Jersey cop.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
He knows better.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
So basically the rules don't apply to him anyway. Yeah, exactly,
But they had to have known so so you can't
just if you're the driver or executive staff, you can't
just walk around of your own accord, walk around security.
You need help and so who So it was the
senator get around security.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
So that's the question I've got. If you've got a
senator that is intentionally getting someone around or going around security,
someone with a firearm that he knows should not have
a firearm and going around security, Isn't Booker just as guiltful?
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Oh? Absolutely, I think even more so. I think even
more so so I think for Booker, I'm just gonna
throw that.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Bats retired New York police officer and the driver for Senator. Oops,
I've got to fire armammy. But yeah, he could be
facing one to ten years in federal prison.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Now, why such a huge disparity one year or ten
years or you know, I mean, why is there such
a huge difference in there?
Speaker 2 (33:30):
I mean the size of the gun?
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Is that what it is? What if it had what
if it had a magazine over ten rounds? Because Booker
was all about extended what he calls extended or expanded magazines.
Uh semi, oh this is all about Now, maybe Booker
should be concentrating less than filibustering and more on having
(33:55):
his staff, not not aiding and abetting his staff in
criminal activities with firearms. Well, personally, personally, Oh, this will
be good.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
I hope they do. I hope they throw the booker
at the book or the booker at the book at
the booker. Yeah, because really he would have done the
same thing. If this was a Republican this would have
been all over CNN, this would have been all over MSN, NBC.
I mean they would have had I mean, stop, we
(34:28):
have something bigger than January sixth now.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Yeah, yeah, we've gotten bigger than that.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Yeah, exactly. So anyway, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Hey, I got a call from from Paul at who's
now associated with the Davis County Range. You know, we
talked about wats that shooters and that kind of stuff.
Apparently they are moving quite rapidly as we speak to
get that up and running again, the beautiful range up
on the east bench in Davis, Davis County. And Paul
(34:59):
is actually looking at uh being a the rain master there,
so he may be. I don't know if it's if
it's chosen yet, but Davis kind of Sheriff's department is
doing that. So I am glad for a number of reasons.
One that they're just not gonna build homes up there.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Yeah, and we should go spend a Saturday up there.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
I think I think actually we're planning on that. Uh
So Paul and I talked, and we're gonna we're gonna
check out the signal strength and maybe they're gonna have
a grand opening maybe next month. Oh and we're gonna
we're gonna look into we're gonna look into doing a
live live from up there. But I think we need
to get a bunch of other vendors, Silencer co. You know,
(35:38):
maybe Sportsman's shields, that kind of stuff, get him up
there for the grand opening. But yeah, so so stay
tuned for that. Hey, also maybe next week if you haven't,
If you don't know what a flux writer is, you should,
great Utah company that makes the coolest attachment that that's
(36:00):
spending right now. They're SIGs. And I'm not gonna say
anything else. You can't make me, but for SIG three
twenties and H three sixty five's, the three twenties are
cool because you don't even have to have they'll just
go off by themselves.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Yeah, exactly automatic, Oh pretty much.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
They're basically wireless or you know, touchless. Anyway, that's that's
not true. Anyway, that's not true at all. Love the three.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
My cousin's coming into town.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Yeah, yeah, Cody's going to be there, and uh so
he's with Flux. And check out the SIG web page
under pistols and you can see the SIG Flux Raider.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Actually pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
It's the is it the Legion, the SIG Legion, Lux
Legion or something like that. Check them out. We're going
to have the inventor and the president on I think
it's the next week.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Yeah, that'd be awesome. Yeah, that'll be a good kid.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
All right, be careful out there, go go shooting and
clean up after yourself.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Yeah, have a great weekend. Everyone will see you next week.
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