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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And welcome to gun Radio Utah, a special edition of
new Apology gun Radio Utah because both Bill and I
are like out of town and and and without the
ability to to pre record to record remotely, is that right?
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Bill? Yeah? So anyway, Yeah, I'm as you as you
listen to this.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
I'm in the state of Georgia in Atlanta at the
NRA convention.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
And Bill, where are you?
Speaker 3 (00:27):
I am turkey hunting down in southern Utah.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Hm.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Well that's nice, so now people know where we are. Anyway,
So a little shout out to Izzy for watching the
place for us and the and the pups.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
While we were while we are gone, We've got a
fantastic show.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
And so knowing that we're not going to be here,
we lined up some fantastic group we are going to
have and you should google this the Flux Defense guys
on Flux as in like Flux Capacitor. You are not
going to want to to miss this one. We're gonna
do that second and third segment and yeah, we have
(01:06):
Ben and Alex on So that's that's pretty cool and
fantastic Utah company.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
So we're gonna talk about that. I do want to
talk about if we get a second. Want to talk
about Mossburg's new what what's it called anti after.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
After shock, after sh after shot because they have you know,
they have the shock wave. It's their pump action twelve gauge,
not a shotgun. It's not a shotgun though, Bill, you
know why it's not a shotgun.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
I can't take a turkey hunting.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
You can't be sure. Anyway, we'll talk about that anyway.
It has something to do with your shoulder. Bill, It
has something to do with your shoulder. Why that's why
it's not a shotgun. Anyway, I want to talk about that.
I want to talk about since you know I want to.
I want to get into Bill the the problem. Okay,
(01:56):
So I'm going to Georgia and I'm flying out of
oh by the way, that's Bill Petterson. That you you hear,
Bill Petterson, director of the Utah Shooting Sports Council, and
I am the other host, Clark a potion uh with
the Utah Shooting Sports Council anyway, So I just wanted
to make sure that everyone is aligned, so the mail
(02:17):
that you get is properly directed to the right person.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Anyway, So I'm flying out of Vernal.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
You went to County. And let me tell you, the
Vernal Airport is like, it's fantastic. Let me just say
that it's fantastic because you pull up into the parking lot,
you park anywhere you want, there's no fee, there's no ticket,
there's nothing, and it's and it's not even the size
of a Walmart. It's certainly not as big as a
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Walmart parking lot, maybe a fourth the size.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
And they still have a park.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
And then you just walk you know, maybe I don't know,
seventy five yards or so at the most. You walk in,
you say hi, I'm here for my fly, and they.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Say, oh, hey, Clark, how are you okay?
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Anyway, So there is no shuttle.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
There is no shuttle. You don't need to shuttle anyway.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
So then uh, and you walk out onto the tarmac
to get into the plane. Occasionally the pilot will ask
for your help in grabbing the propeller, you know, to
push it down to get it started anyway, so they uh,
So you walk right on the tar back and get
in there. But it really only flies to a few places.
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So going to Atlanta out of Vernal, I got to
either go out of Denver or Phoenix. So I had
to look at the layovers and that for my delta flight.
So I had to plan my delta flight out of
So I'm flying to Phoenix, but then when I fly
back in, I'm gonna fly to Denver. I'm gonna have
a delta fly me back to Denver and then Denver
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to Vernal.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Yeah, they got, they got. They got to have a
few refueling stops.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Did see this speak of that, or occasionally they'll have
you sit on gas cans in case you know.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Well, I did see at one of the airports one
of the pilots was pumping up the front tires. That
looked a little low, soothing the tires.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Yeah, this plane. So I looked at the seating. I
looked at the seating when I picked the seats. There's
only three rows, three seats across the entire plane. Two
on one side and one on the other. I think
they put the bigger folks on the left side and
the two regular sized folks on the right to balance things.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Is there just one row? Yeah, just one row three people?
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Well no, no, no, I mean not one row.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
I mean there's there's several rows, but there's just but
the the the width of the row is only three seats.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Anyway, where do you put your firearms?
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Okay, so good question, because I had some little die
I see times, and you never know with these little
prop jobs if you're gonna make it on time or
anything like that. And so I had a connecting flight
in two hours to get to Atlanta, and then on
the way back I had an hour and a half.
I have an hour and a half anyway, So I'm thinking,
I don't want to check a gun. I don't want
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to check any luggage at all, just in case, just
do a big carry them. And so I said, well,
I will just mail my gun that I'm going to carry. Okay,
So first off, we know you can't mail. U estimate
when you say mail, we're talking in the United States
Post Office. And when you say ship, I guess that's
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when you ship it like FedEx or UPS or.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Something like that.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
All right, so you cannot mail a handgun, even to yourself.
You can mail a long gun, and even then there's
some interesting things we ought to probably have a show
on that. So anyway, FedEx and UPS you can ship
had except you can't ship the handgun, even though it's
legal under federal law to do it. FedEx says, no,
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you want to ship a handgun to yourself, like I
was going to ship it to the hotel we're staying
at in Atlanta in care of and so I actually
got it all boxed up and ready to go, and
I knew what was going to happen. But there's no
requirement that you tell them what's in the box, though
I think they may ask. But anyway, I went to
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a third party shiver, all right, so nobody asked. Nobody
said to find out. It's like three hundred dollars to
get it there by tomorrow or the next day for this,
and I'm like, never mind. So anyway, you can ship
it to yourself legally, but FedEx and UPS say no,
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it has to come and I think UPS now is
even stricter, but FedEx says no, it has to be
shipped from an FFL and then will allow it to
be shipped to yourself. But if it's a transfer, it
obviously has to go to an hour state. Anyway, long
story short, I'm checking a bag tomorrow, Bill, I'm checking
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a bag through the process. Kasty Jane said, well, that's great,
you're gonna have a big piece of luggage that's mostly empty,
and we're gonna fill it with stuff. We're gonna go
down to Savannah and I guess you know, she's going
to be doing some shopping and she'll fill it up.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
She'll fill it up with swag too, probably.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
I'm sure. I'm sure.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
Well, so, so now you opted to go through the
you know, you've got to check it in. I would
imagine now where you're at that they're pretty good and
they see that all the time.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
We'll just ask you what is it? And they where
is it? Okay, that's nice, Off you go, Clark. Now,
you know, it's a good question. So I don't know
what this airline is going to be, if it's going
to be any different. It's been a while since I've
flown out of there, so.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
I don't know. We're gonna see I guess i'll have
report next time. You'll tell us about your turkeys. Okay,
And yeah, hey, is there a is there? Is it
illegal to dispatch.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
A a magpie that's that's attacking you.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
That's a good question because actually, Magni, maybe it.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Wasn't attacking you. Maybe it wasn't attacked. Maybe it was
attacking these these cool quail but.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Any okay, well theah, there you go. I don't know
magpies are actually protected in Utah.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Okay, never mind, So let us not speak of this again.
All right. I didn't do anything. I didn't do anything.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
All right, yeah, great heart.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
So so yeah it uh so we're gonna beat I'll
be at the n RA convention and it lasts for
three or four days, I don't know. We'll come back
next week sometime, and I'll give you a report there. Now,
Trump is not going to be at the n ra
A convention this year, first time he's missed it in
nine years, Bill.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Is that why they're allowing you to go?
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Huh yeah, probably probably. I don't think I'm filling in
for him.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
That's surprising that he's not going to be there. Someone's
going to be there, though.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
I would imagine, well, you know, the pope died.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Yeah, that's true, and so he's going to.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Go to the pope funeral.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
But he had already said before the pope died, he
said that he wasn't going to be able to make it.
I don't know if he wasn't going to be able
to make it or he's just not going maybe it's maybe,
He affirmatively said, I ain't going to the enter a convention.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Interesting because Bill's not going to be there. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
I tell you Donald's going turkey hunting with me.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Yeah all right, so, oh, you know what I'm going
to do before because we always run out of time.
Let's say your turkey hunting gun is not feeding correctly,
or you want to ben a delated rib on it,
or I don't know, the.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Stock is cracked.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Get it over to the gunsmith at Sportsman's Warehouse. The
gunsmith Sportsman's Warehouse can take care of whatever the.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Problem is with your gun.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
If it's not everything you want it to be, if
you want it bedazzled, now I shouldn't say that.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
I out of this story.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
I think that's the only thing they don't have on
there is a bedazzling anyway.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
I did that mostly for Casey Jane.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
But if you want it Sarah coated, whatever color, and
I mean whatever color you want, they can get it
Sarah coated, get it engraved or reblued or parkerized, or
whatever you want done to your gun. That I mean,
if it just isn't working, you don't know why it's
not working, get it over to the gunsmith and you
can take it right to them at sixteen thirty South
(10:38):
fifty seventy West in Salt Lake City, give them a
caliday to one three zero four eighty seventy, or you
can take it into any of the over one hundred
and forty six Sportsmen's warehouse locations and tell them to
get it to the gunsmith and bill, we still have
we still have fifty two seconds left.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Yeah, I was going to say, in addition to you
know the gunsmith, if you have any questions, give them
a phone call in speak with one of the gunsmiths.
You can explain to them and tell them what you
want to do and they can give you some options
as well. So as they watch for this to come
in that you've got kind of a better idea of
what type of work you'd like to have done on
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your gun. But yeah, it's a good time to spring
cleaning dust off those guns, pull them out, get them
ready for the spring and summertime. Hey, we've got a
lot more. We've got a special guess with Flux Defense
coming in on our next segment stick around, we got
more to come and welcome back to gun Radio Utah.
So glad to have you with us on this Saturday afternoon.
(11:41):
Bill Petterson, director of Utah Shooting Sports Council, across me
virtually is Clark the a Potion. His mother couldn't give
him a better middle name, so we just call him
the And we're so glad to have you with us
on this lovely Saturday. I'm virtually turkey hunting clerk, so
just so you're aware of that, and I know you're
virtually traveling, so this will.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Work out very well.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
I'm not traveling today. No, I'm actually just in Atlanta,
so I'm not trying. I'm there. I have traveled to
the place. I'm in Atlanta right now.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
I get it. I get it.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
So Hey, if you want to learn more about the
Utah Shooting Sports Council, go check us out at Utah
Shooting Sports Council dot org. Find a palithe of great
information there, and also you can sign up on our
email alerts. As we get started into this next year,
which we talked about last week, we talked about a
new bill celebrating Patriots Day and maybe we can add
(12:35):
some extras fun to that to that little bill as well.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Make it a text.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
Yes, auditions exactly so but anyway, Hey, we're so glad
we've got Ben and Alex with flux Raider.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Is that fluctuator? Is that the proper way of calling it?
I didn't know.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
If I didn't know if we're a flux or flux,
I am missing some audio on our guests.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Let's see where they're.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
So, Hey, why don't I talking that we are you
know for gun radio Utah listeners.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
We are totally stoked and so have we.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Got audio to have Ben and Alex with flux flux rater.
And when you think of flux, the first thing I
think of is the flux capacitor.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
I'm sorry, that's just what I think of.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
Is that?
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Is that a wrong thing? Alex?
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Is that what we're thinking with the name Flux? All right,
there we go, Yes.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Could you hear us with the questions we asked you?
Speaker 5 (13:32):
Yeah we can. We can hear you the whole time.
Speaker 6 (13:34):
For some reason, I think I don't know the microphone
a little bit, and I think that.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
I think it was Cody.
Speaker 6 (13:43):
Definitely, Uh, you know, I think that was probably So
that was my business partner artist's ideas the name Flux.
I had a defense so that the company names Flux Defense,
and yeah, it's definitely we were intending for, you know,
a futuristic h you know something. We want to basically
build a future of guns. And so it's not the
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wrong impression to think of the capacitor.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Okay, cool, because when you see the name Flux flu x,
it also conjures up things like maybe that's an acronym
for something.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
But anyways, we won't go there. And Alex, now, how
long have Alex? How long have you been with the company?
Speaker 7 (14:26):
So I've been with Flex since twenty nineteen, just in
spring twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
So and when did the company starts?
Speaker 5 (14:35):
That's a good question.
Speaker 6 (14:36):
I don't know, man, it started, Well, my business partner
has started working on Flux maybe ten years ago in
my basement, but we have probably officially created the company
maybe twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
I think.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
And now Alex I retired.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
I happen to have one of these.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
I have a black one and the box says proudly
made in the USA.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
I don't know if it says proudly, but it has
made in the USA.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Not only is it made in the USA, but hey,
it's made in Utah. And we we love featuring Utah companies.
This is the neatest, newest, well I say newest even
though it's been around for a while, but the neatest,
coolest thing to take advantage of some of the the
developments in companies like SIG and like some of these
(15:30):
other companies that have an FCU a fire control unit,
can you explain what the Flux Rader does and how
it incorporates that fire control unit and the rest of
us SIG firearm with the Flux Raider.
Speaker 6 (15:43):
So our our mission with Flux, you know, we have
we have a couple other missions with our other companies,
but for Flux, it is creating the best micro PDW,
you know, the I guess the most the most cable
firearm and the smallest package. And rather than you know,
(16:04):
trying to start from the ground up, we chose to
use the Browning tilting action after like a lot of thought,
just because it is the simplest, lightest, Yeah, it's it's
such a simple system and it's extremely reliable.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
So that's where we started with.
Speaker 6 (16:20):
Originally it was built around the glock, but the SU
the trigger pack allows us to do a lot more
and build build more from the ground ups. It's more
from it's more like you know, the the six three
twenty threety five is like the the engine, and we
build a chassis around that that we can you know,
we have our our brace system, like our auto deploy
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brace or stock system, as well as our magazine system,
and it just it enables us to to kind of
go halfway between.
Speaker 5 (16:51):
You know.
Speaker 6 (16:51):
It's it's not a micro rony just kind of built
around like a huge contraption that's built around a pistol frame,
but rather than rather a fairly i would say, quite
sleek design that is as compact as possible while still
being incredibly strong and creates a very good microphece of you.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Yeah, when you hold this thing.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
And so what we're talking about is you take some
you take some parts out of your sig you say
three twenty, and you PLoP it in there and it's
basically almost seamlessly integrated and you now have.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
It.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
It's not just a toy because you you actually compete
with these things. I actually saw Lena mclec in a
real she just had and she's I don't know if
she's competing with it or she's just playing around with it,
but anyway. I know you compete with it, but it
seamlessly integrates this and adds a whole bunch of stock.
When you talk about the auto deploy stock, so we're
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talking about a pistol the auto deploy brace, I should
say not it's not a stock folks anyway, versions Okay, okay,
that's right, And now we're gonna have to go to
break here, Bill, what have we got on break?
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Do we have to go to break right now?
Speaker 3 (18:04):
We got about twenty seconds? Actually, oh twenty seconds?
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Yeah, okay, so you hold so, Ben and Alex, hang tight.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Bill's gonna take us out at the right time and
we're gonna bring you right back into third segment.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Okay, hang on.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
Yeah, and we've got a lot more to come back
on here at gun Radio Utah.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Stay tuned and welcome back to gun Radio Utah.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
And keeping with the no apologies things, we've got Ben
and Alex here with flux Rader, flux Rader. How do
people find out more about the flux Rader? And am
I saying it right? Is it the flux is it
the Raider? Is it the what?
Speaker 5 (18:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (18:37):
So, our I guess our primary product is the flux Raider.
Are Our company name is Flux Defense or Flux for short.
The Raider is our our bread and button, bread and
butter what we do best, we would, I don't know.
You can google it, you can, there's there's tons of
reviews on on YouTube. There's you know, you can go
(19:01):
to our own website plus defense dot com and find
out more there. We have some of our own videos
which well we're trying to do a little bit better
on that.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
Yeah, that's where we that's where you'd find.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Us, all right.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
So the Flux Raider is a I don't know if
I'm gonna mess this up, an Alys is gonna get
mad at me. But it's like a chassis system that
integrates the fantastic sig firearm both you can do a
three sixty five or the three twenty, depends on which
model you get, and it seamlessly integrates it. But it
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adds so much stuff to this then pistol, because now
you've got a mounting optic or an optic platform. You've
got an extra mag which kind of doubles as a
not a forward grip, but a something along those lines,
a handstop, I don't know what you call it. Anyway,
you've got a brace, and you've got the stock version two.
(19:57):
And let me tell you the brace. The first thing
when he was showing me the brace, that thing auto
deploys the heck out of it. I mean, bam, it's out.
It's ready to go. And you've got so many other things.
You've got slings that you're now integrating in. Like I said,
the extra magazine, this thing can accommodate a suppressed weapon
as well.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
What's next for the Flux Raider.
Speaker 6 (20:21):
It's a great question, man. We are getting back to
our roots. We have we have a glock kit coming
hopefully around the end of the year. We also have
an rx M raider that is coming as well. We're
working on a bunch of other stuff in the background.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
I don't know if we can talk about that stuff.
Speaker 6 (20:44):
We also have we're constantly looking to improve the system
in general. So we have a lot of like various
improvements as well as providing more options. We have some cool,
cool stuff coming in the next year that we can't
talk about.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
But uh, speaking of things you can't.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Speaking of things you can't talk about, and maybe you
can can't. Are there any three or four letter agencies
out there that are looking.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
At this sure there's a.
Speaker 6 (21:12):
The primary you know that use it as as more letters.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
And three or four a few letters, but a few you.
Speaker 6 (21:23):
Know, kind of just maybe I don't know, if you
imagine the quintessential Tier one unit, then it's probably them.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
They they've been they tested it.
Speaker 6 (21:35):
Uh, this is why it got the name raiders through
their testing.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
What is it five six? Five years ago? Uh? Yeah,
a little over five years ago.
Speaker 6 (21:46):
They started started testing it early early prototype and they
just reached out and somehow it ended up with some
sort of contract. I mean, it's not I don't know
if it's a contract, you can look up. But they've
got hundreds of them.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
And.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
There there are there are other there's a lot of
there's a lot of specialty units.
Speaker 5 (22:07):
You know, it's primarily meant for concealment.
Speaker 6 (22:11):
So most of the adoption, most of the adoption, unfortunately
is they're secretive, secretive groups.
Speaker 5 (22:19):
Because they're not they are the most secretive groups they're
not in.
Speaker 6 (22:23):
They don't want anyone to really know anything about anything they.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
Do or stuff they use.
Speaker 6 (22:29):
So we'll see hopefully eventually stuff will will leak. But yeah,
I me know, there's a lot of SPAT units, A
lot of specialty law enforcement units, s r T s
or SROs special response teams. You know, it provides you
very easy it's very easy to control weapon in the
size side of a pistol or or very smart you know,
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almost as the same size of.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Fiscal Okay, you guys can't see it, but on the screen.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
So he's sitting there, he's sitting there on a couch
and but bam out comes this I'm gonna call it
a PDW. But anyways, outcomes the raider with the stock
coming out. And it was literally like, I don't know
if it was it appendix carry there was it?
Speaker 8 (23:10):
Yeah, it's just a fix carried Yeah, I mean from
a scenic position and you really didn't even alter the
way you were sitting on the couch and pam out
it came ready to go.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
And I mean this thing is you know, I don't
know if you want to call it a PCC or
a PDW or what. Now you you actually compete with this?
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Is that right? Tell me about some of the competitions.
Speaker 6 (23:34):
Yeah, sure, so this is this is my ADC and
and competition rig I'm I don't know, I'm trying not
to make special changes for competition. I think competition is
an awesome way to test yourself and your gear test,
you know, especially for me developing UH, these these weapons
and everything. I think it's a great, great testing ground
(23:57):
for that. But you think when I'm going against you know,
in PC, I call it b W. I think PCC's
in general are they're just they're not weapons. They're a
kind of toy guns or or race guns, or they're not.
It's it's it's our pretty strong opinion that a rifle
sized weapon should be rifle powered, and vice versa pistol
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powered weapons should be pistol sized. So but but when
when we're competing, you know, so yeahs again. I took
the Nationals with Man. I guess the listeners can't see it,
But with UH, I went with Lena, Lena and her
her family. It's pretty awesome. Celebrated my thirtieth birthday there
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at Jerry's house and trained with them for a while.
She was shooting it for a while. She'll continue shooting
some of our stuff. Her boyfriend shoots it, her mom
is gonna shoot it. We're about to go to Worlds
in less than a month, so I'm I normally compete
with the three five version.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (24:58):
But because I wanted to get at GM and UH
with my appendix carry and in PCC, I thought that
would be.
Speaker 5 (25:05):
Kind of a funny and awesome thing to do.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
So here's a here's a question for you, Ben. What
was Jerry's take on this? Because Jerry's around, right Jerry, Yeah,
his father, he's been around for quite a while, and
he's kind of an old wheel gun type guy. I
mean when he sees this, what is what's going through
his mind when you showed it to.
Speaker 5 (25:27):
Him, Well, it was pretty awesome.
Speaker 6 (25:30):
It's I don't know, we've we've become friends and I
don't know, it's it's doesn't say it doesn't seem really
even think about it. He Uh, he really likes that.
He thinks it's awesome. I caught him telling one of
his friends at his range when we were training. I
trained there for about a week prior nationals and uh.
He so I was a part of the conversation. Meaning
(25:54):
there's really no bias for for this statement, but he
was saying that he thought it probably is the future
of PCC, which means that you know, like that is
the battle Like obviously there's differences between competition in real life, right, right,
But if you want to measure the ability to put
rounds down range in an underspeed accurately, then competition is.
Speaker 5 (26:18):
Where is how you measure that. So that was pretty
amazing to hear that. It is really cool.
Speaker 6 (26:25):
It allowed The reason why that whole national stuff happened
is because Lena wanted to shoot with her mom. She
hadn't shot for seven seven Her mom was the original
world champion in the family and she hadn't shot for
seven years because she injured her back, and so she
hasn't been able to shoot pistols or rifles.
Speaker 5 (26:44):
But the flux is well. Jerry loved it.
Speaker 6 (26:48):
Because and Lena loved it because it allowed her mom
to compete Jerry's wife to compete again for the first
time in seven years without pain, which.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Oh wow, that's awesome.
Speaker 7 (26:58):
Hey.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
You also mentioned I want to go back to some
of the applications for this gun because this I don't
want to call it it is a gun, but it's
a chassis format is what I look at it as
as well. And you mentioned SROs and you said special
response teams or operations. I was also thinking on top
(27:20):
of the student resource officers and how this could be
very beneficial for law enforcement in a school environment, because
the whole thing is is that we want to get
on target, but if we have to reach out there
a little bit, we want to make sure we are
on target, and sometimes that can make it a little difficult.
(27:43):
You know, I might come in with a little car
being or something or an ar type platform, but this
it makes it a lot easier to get around corners
and clear rooms and such. Maybe you could talk a
little bit about some of the applications that you're seeing
these law enforcement groups using them.
Speaker 5 (28:01):
For sure, the schools.
Speaker 6 (28:05):
Schools were one of my primary motivators for starting this.
I wanted to you know, I wanted to do something.
So we have a bunch of different schools that are
protected by them. I'd like to see way more. You know,
(28:26):
you can't really have and they are like, you can't
have SROs carrying air fifteens around, and then if you
if they're not carrying any are fifteens around. You see
you see stuff like Parkland, Like you know, Parkland's maybe
a few years of people, it's not freshened people's minds,
but there's there's a bunch of instances like Parkland where
you have the student resource officer running away, and I
(28:51):
think it's inexcusable, but it is somewhat understandable in terms
of just the fact that if you know, if you
have an active shooter attacking within our fifteen and you're
only armed with a handgun and you don't train a lot,
your confidence level is not going to be great and
and your capability is just not. Like you know, the
(29:13):
Air fifteen is a much superior weapon as opposed to
a nine longer handgun. But if you then, if you
improve the user interface with that gun, then you're able
to drastically improve the performance and the ability of that
student resource officer to respond to those situations. So the
hope is to have more student resource officers be able
(29:35):
to either have these on their hip and nor if
they're you know, maybe in a bag carrier. That's very
you know, obviously very carefully done. Yeah, it's awesome.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Hey, Alex, where can is there any social media out there?
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Instagram?
Speaker 1 (29:52):
I don't know what the YouTube or anything that has
that you guys are featuring the the flux rater.
Speaker 7 (29:59):
Yeah, so we we like to hit all the main
I mean, Instagram is our main source for I guess
I would say advertising, but in our words, I think
we'd rather say educating, just letting people know what the
system's about and what. More So, Instagram's are main YouTube
for sure as well, because we get a little bit
longer presence there to kind of explain what it's about
(30:22):
more often than Instagram. I think what's good is there's
a lot of reviews on YouTube as well that will
take the good time, you know, maybe five to minutes
to half an hour to really break down all the
use cases and really get into drills and stuff. So
we're on most everything Facebook too, But we're again we're
(30:44):
gonna make a lot bigger of a push coming up
soon here is just in the past we've gone as
slim line as possible on get on getting content and
media out there. So I'm expecting a lot more, especially
this year with new products coming out.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Very good.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
Yeah, and you for our listeners, you can go to
flexdefense dot com and you've got a great review section
there that has a ton of videos for people to
really get a good idea about what's going on, and
then of course that'll put you in that whole YouTube
rabbit hole.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Hey, I want to thank Ben and Alex Uh with
Flux Defense Flux Raider. Check these things out. You will
definitely want to get one of these things or two,
you know something, so check them out. Thanks both of
you for being on gun Radio Utah.
Speaker 5 (31:35):
Thank you, no problem.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
All right, when we come back, We've got lots more
to come in the fast firing last segment, So stay
tuned and welcome back to gun Radio Utah. The power packed,
fast paced last segment. As always, even if we are
pre recording this, so don't call in.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Nobody ever calls. I mean we don't.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
We haven't done that for a while.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
We should, we should probably do, but anyway, but then
we're going to have to get a screener, have to
have Danny screen the calls because all your friends will
call and they're your team. So anyway, big thanks to
Ben and Alex with with Flux Defense.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
That is the coolest well thing, I mean you got.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
In fact, go to sig so hour, go to six
hour dot com and they actually have a deal and
a great.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Sig sour is buying like a.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Ton of these things as many as they can get
and they sell out of them as quick. But they're
on the website under what handguns or pistols. Anyways, check
out the SIG three to twenty legion and it's got
the flux already on it.
Speaker 9 (32:38):
This thing is they're they're really really cool, but they're
also not just cool stuff, but uh, they're tactical as well,
which is everything you say tactical.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
And then that's all you need to say. Oh, I
meant to apologize.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
I thought you were saying you were saying Jerry, and
I thought you meant to say Jeremy, and you did
mean to say Jerry is in Jerry mclect Lina Lina's uh,
Lena mclect's dade. Yeah, so I thought you were talking
about Jeremy. Who is somebody else?
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Okay, but I.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Just won't say who right now. So anyways, but well
I kind.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
Of made a mess up as well. As we're talking
about the U s ROS, I mentioned student resource officers,
I meant to say school resource officers. As much as
I'd like to have students have guns in the school
to protect themselves, I really meant the school resource officers.
So SROs though, we got that straightened out. So now
(33:39):
that we got all the legal stuff done, got to.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
Tell you this new the new the new gun, the
new gat that that I must have now because you know,
I've got the shockwave. The shockwave is that little fourteen
and a half inch berld gun that shoots shotgun shells
twelve gage, you know, two and three quarter and three
and shotgun shells.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
And it's overall length. What is the overall length on
the thing.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
It's like and you'd almost think, oh, well, you can't
have that because it's you know, the barrel length is
is too short? Well, barrel length is fourteen fourteen and
a half inches, And if it was a shotgun, yeah,
that would be considered a short barreled shotgun and require
an NFA tax snamp and all.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
That kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Because it's not a shotgun. And the reason it's not
a shotgun because it doesn't have a stock and it
has a grip, a little stubby little what did you
call it, bill.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
A bird's head, a bird's.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Head type grip.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Well, anyway, so that's the shockwave and it's definitely not
you know, something you'd probably want to take hunting very
much because you don't put it against your shoulder. A
shotgun requires it to be up against your shoulder because
it has a stock. And so does a rifle. But anyway,
so they the shockwave, it's pump action. Now they have
(35:02):
then the Mosburg nine to ninety after shock and it's
a five plus one semi auto twelve gage.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Well, you have to.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
Bring one, Homer. Actually, we've got some connections with Mosburg.
We need to go try one out.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Yeah, you know what I do.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Oh, and they've got one that that one of the
models has a laser grip built into the receiver.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Really tons of stuff.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
You know what we will get I will uh, I
will get with uh with we know who, and we'll
go try this thing out.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
But uh, a semi auto. I just have to have
one now, just have to have.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
Yeah, there's a number of these guns that we need
to try out. We've got another company that wants to
send us some guns as well, so maybe we just
have them sent them all out to us and and
we're good.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
So so I just wanted to double check because it's
been uh, it's been about a year or more that
I've been to Georgia, maybe two years, I don't know. Anyways,
real quick, so they recognize Utah's permit and they and
you can you know, obviously you can carry concealed in
the most places and that type of stuff. They have
preemption laws in Georgia that says, you know, cities and
(36:11):
counties and that kind of stuff can't mess around with you.
Interesting though, they say they have an unusual definition of
a machine gun any weapon which shoots or is designed
to shoot automatically more than six shots without manual reloading
by a single function of the trigger. So under their definition,
a three shot burst only weapon wouldn't be a machine gun.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
Interesting, very interesting.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
All right, Bill, we are out of time.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
Yes, great show.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
Great to have our guests Alex and Ben with this
and Cody for setting it up greatly, appreciate them all.
And hey, have a great time out there in Atlanta,
and we'll see you when you get back.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Clark, all right, Thanks Bill, Talk to you guys next week.
And welcome to gun Radio Utah, a special edition of
new Apology gun Radio Utah because both Bill and I
are like out of town and and and without the
ability to to pre record to record remotely, is that right?
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Bill? Yeah? So anyway, Yeah, I'm as you as you
listen to this.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
I'm in the state of Georgia in Atlanta at the
NRA convention.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
And Bill, where are you?
Speaker 3 (00:27):
I am turkey hunting down in southern Utah.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Hm.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Well that's nice, so now people know where we are. Anyway,
So a little shout out to Izzy for watching the
place for us and the and the pups.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
While we were while we are gone, We've got a
fantastic show.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
And so knowing that we're not going to be here,
we lined up some fantastic group we are going to
have and you should google this the Flux Defense guys
on Flux as in like Flux Capacitor. You are not
going to want to to miss this one. We're gonna
do that second and third segment and yeah, we have
(01:06):
Ben and Alex on So that's that's pretty cool and
fantastic Utah company.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
So we're gonna talk about that. I do want to
talk about if we get a second. Want to talk
about Mossburg's new what what's it called anti after.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
After shock, after sh after shot because they have you know,
they have the shock wave. It's their pump action twelve gauge,
not a shotgun. It's not a shotgun though, Bill, you
know why it's not a shotgun.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
I can't take a turkey hunting.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
You can't be sure. Anyway, we'll talk about that anyway.
It has something to do with your shoulder. Bill, It
has something to do with your shoulder. Why that's why
it's not a shotgun. Anyway, I want to talk about that.
I want to talk about since you know I want to.
I want to get into Bill the the problem. Okay,
(01:56):
So I'm going to Georgia and I'm flying out of
oh by the way, that's Bill Petterson. That you you hear,
Bill Petterson, director of the Utah Shooting Sports Council, and
I am the other host, Clark a potion uh with
the Utah Shooting Sports Council anyway, So I just wanted
to make sure that everyone is aligned, so the mail
(02:17):
that you get is properly directed to the right person.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Anyway, So I'm flying out of Vernal.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
You went to County. And let me tell you, the
Vernal Airport is like, it's fantastic. Let me just say
that it's fantastic because you pull up into the parking lot,
you park anywhere you want, there's no fee, there's no ticket,
there's nothing, and it's and it's not even the size
of a Walmart. It's certainly not as big as a
(02:46):
Walmart parking lot, maybe a fourth the size.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
And they still have a park.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
And then you just walk you know, maybe I don't know,
seventy five yards or so at the most. You walk in,
you say hi, I'm here for my fly, and they.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Say, oh, hey, Clark, how are you okay?
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Anyway, So there is no shuttle.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
There is no shuttle. You don't need to shuttle anyway.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
So then uh, and you walk out onto the tarmac
to get into the plane. Occasionally the pilot will ask
for your help in grabbing the propeller, you know, to
push it down to get it started anyway, so they uh,
So you walk right on the tar back and get
in there. But it really only flies to a few places.
(03:33):
So going to Atlanta out of Vernal, I got to
either go out of Denver or Phoenix. So I had
to look at the layovers and that for my delta flight.
So I had to plan my delta flight out of
So I'm flying to Phoenix, but then when I fly
back in, I'm gonna fly to Denver. I'm gonna have
a delta fly me back to Denver and then Denver
(03:54):
to Vernal.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Yeah, they got, they got. They got to have a
few refueling stops.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Did see this speak of that, or occasionally they'll have
you sit on gas cans in case you know.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Well, I did see at one of the airports one
of the pilots was pumping up the front tires. That
looked a little low, soothing the tires.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Yeah, this plane. So I looked at the seating. I
looked at the seating when I picked the seats. There's
only three rows, three seats across the entire plane. Two
on one side and one on the other. I think
they put the bigger folks on the left side and
the two regular sized folks on the right to balance things.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Is there just one row? Yeah, just one row three people?
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Well no, no, no, I mean not one row.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
I mean there's there's several rows, but there's just but
the the the width of the row is only three seats.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Anyway, where do you put your firearms?
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Okay, so good question, because I had some little die
I see times, and you never know with these little
prop jobs if you're gonna make it on time or
anything like that. And so I had a connecting flight
in two hours to get to Atlanta, and then on
the way back I had an hour and a half.
I have an hour and a half anyway, So I'm thinking,
I don't want to check a gun. I don't want
(05:17):
to check any luggage at all, just in case, just
do a big carry them. And so I said, well,
I will just mail my gun that I'm going to carry. Okay,
So first off, we know you can't mail. U estimate
when you say mail, we're talking in the United States
Post Office. And when you say ship, I guess that's
(05:40):
when you ship it like FedEx or UPS or.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Something like that.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
All right, so you cannot mail a handgun, even to yourself.
You can mail a long gun, and even then there's
some interesting things we ought to probably have a show
on that. So anyway, FedEx and UPS you can ship
had except you can't ship the handgun, even though it's
legal under federal law to do it. FedEx says, no,
(06:08):
you want to ship a handgun to yourself, like I
was going to ship it to the hotel we're staying
at in Atlanta in care of and so I actually
got it all boxed up and ready to go, and
I knew what was going to happen. But there's no
requirement that you tell them what's in the box, though
I think they may ask. But anyway, I went to
(06:29):
a third party shiver, all right, so nobody asked. Nobody
said to find out. It's like three hundred dollars to
get it there by tomorrow or the next day for this,
and I'm like, never mind. So anyway, you can ship
it to yourself legally, but FedEx and UPS say no,
(06:49):
it has to come and I think UPS now is
even stricter, but FedEx says no, it has to be
shipped from an FFL and then will allow it to
be shipped to yourself. But if it's a transfer, it
obviously has to go to an hour state. Anyway, long
story short, I'm checking a bag tomorrow, Bill, I'm checking
(07:12):
a bag through the process. Kasty Jane said, well, that's great,
you're gonna have a big piece of luggage that's mostly empty,
and we're gonna fill it with stuff. We're gonna go
down to Savannah and I guess you know, she's going
to be doing some shopping and she'll fill it up.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
She'll fill it up with swag too, probably.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
I'm sure. I'm sure.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
Well, so, so now you opted to go through the
you know, you've got to check it in. I would
imagine now where you're at that they're pretty good and
they see that all the time.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
We'll just ask you what is it? And they where
is it? Okay, that's nice, Off you go, Clark. Now,
you know, it's a good question. So I don't know
what this airline is going to be, if it's going
to be any different. It's been a while since I've
flown out of there, so.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
I don't know. We're gonna see I guess i'll have
report next time. You'll tell us about your turkeys. Okay,
And yeah, hey, is there a is there? Is it
illegal to dispatch.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
A a magpie that's that's attacking you.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
That's a good question because actually, Magni, maybe it.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Wasn't attacking you. Maybe it wasn't attacked. Maybe it was
attacking these these cool quail but.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Any okay, well theah, there you go. I don't know
magpies are actually protected in Utah.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Okay, never mind, So let us not speak of this again.
All right. I didn't do anything. I didn't do anything.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
All right, yeah, great heart.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
So so yeah it uh so we're gonna beat I'll
be at the n RA convention and it lasts for
three or four days, I don't know. We'll come back
next week sometime, and I'll give you a report there. Now,
Trump is not going to be at the n ra
A convention this year, first time he's missed it in
nine years, Bill.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Is that why they're allowing you to go?
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Huh yeah, probably probably. I don't think I'm filling in
for him.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
That's surprising that he's not going to be there. Someone's
going to be there, though.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
I would imagine, well, you know, the pope died.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Yeah, that's true, and so he's going to.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Go to the pope funeral.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
But he had already said before the pope died, he
said that he wasn't going to be able to make it.
I don't know if he wasn't going to be able
to make it or he's just not going maybe it's maybe,
He affirmatively said, I ain't going to the enter a convention.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Interesting because Bill's not going to be there. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
I tell you Donald's going turkey hunting with me.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Yeah all right, so, oh, you know what I'm going
to do before because we always run out of time.
Let's say your turkey hunting gun is not feeding correctly,
or you want to ben a delated rib on it,
or I don't know, the.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Stock is cracked.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Get it over to the gunsmith at Sportsman's Warehouse. The
gunsmith Sportsman's Warehouse can take care of whatever the.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Problem is with your gun.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
If it's not everything you want it to be, if
you want it bedazzled, now I shouldn't say that.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
I out of this story.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
I think that's the only thing they don't have on
there is a bedazzling anyway.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
I did that mostly for Casey Jane.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
But if you want it Sarah coated, whatever color, and
I mean whatever color you want, they can get it
Sarah coated, get it engraved or reblued or parkerized, or
whatever you want done to your gun. That I mean,
if it just isn't working, you don't know why it's
not working, get it over to the gunsmith and you
can take it right to them at sixteen thirty South
(10:38):
fifty seventy West in Salt Lake City, give them a
caliday to one three zero four eighty seventy, or you
can take it into any of the over one hundred
and forty six Sportsmen's warehouse locations and tell them to
get it to the gunsmith and bill, we still have
we still have fifty two seconds left.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Yeah, I was going to say, in addition to you
know the gunsmith, if you have any questions, give them
a phone call in speak with one of the gunsmiths.
You can explain to them and tell them what you
want to do and they can give you some options
as well. So as they watch for this to come
in that you've got kind of a better idea of
what type of work you'd like to have done on
(11:18):
your gun. But yeah, it's a good time to spring
cleaning dust off those guns, pull them out, get them
ready for the spring and summertime. Hey, we've got a
lot more. We've got a special guess with Flux Defense
coming in on our next segment stick around, we got
more to come and welcome back to gun Radio Utah.
So glad to have you with us on this Saturday afternoon.
(11:41):
Bill Petterson, director of Utah Shooting Sports Council, across me
virtually is Clark the a Potion. His mother couldn't give
him a better middle name, so we just call him
the And we're so glad to have you with us
on this lovely Saturday. I'm virtually turkey hunting clerk, so
just so you're aware of that, and I know you're
virtually traveling, so this will.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Work out very well.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
I'm not traveling today. No, I'm actually just in Atlanta,
so I'm not trying. I'm there. I have traveled to
the place. I'm in Atlanta right now.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
I get it. I get it.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
So Hey, if you want to learn more about the
Utah Shooting Sports Council, go check us out at Utah
Shooting Sports Council dot org. Find a palithe of great
information there, and also you can sign up on our
email alerts. As we get started into this next year,
which we talked about last week, we talked about a
new bill celebrating Patriots Day and maybe we can add
(12:35):
some extras fun to that to that little bill as well.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Make it a text.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
Yes, auditions exactly so but anyway, Hey, we're so glad
we've got Ben and Alex with flux Raider.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Is that fluctuator? Is that the proper way of calling it?
I didn't know.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
If I didn't know if we're a flux or flux,
I am missing some audio on our guests.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Let's see where they're.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
So, Hey, why don't I talking that we are you
know for gun radio Utah listeners.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
We are totally stoked and so have we.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Got audio to have Ben and Alex with flux flux rater.
And when you think of flux, the first thing I
think of is the flux capacitor.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
I'm sorry, that's just what I think of.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
Is that?
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Is that a wrong thing? Alex?
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Is that what we're thinking with the name Flux? All right,
there we go, Yes.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Could you hear us with the questions we asked you?
Speaker 5 (13:32):
Yeah we can. We can hear you the whole time.
Speaker 6 (13:34):
For some reason, I think I don't know the microphone
a little bit, and I think that.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
I think it was Cody.
Speaker 6 (13:43):
Definitely, Uh, you know, I think that was probably So
that was my business partner artist's ideas the name Flux.
I had a defense so that the company names Flux Defense,
and yeah, it's definitely we were intending for, you know,
a futuristic h you know something. We want to basically
build a future of guns. And so it's not the
(14:06):
wrong impression to think of the capacitor.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Okay, cool, because when you see the name Flux flu x,
it also conjures up things like maybe that's an acronym
for something.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
But anyways, we won't go there. And Alex, now, how
long have Alex? How long have you been with the company?
Speaker 7 (14:26):
So I've been with Flex since twenty nineteen, just in
spring twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
So and when did the company starts?
Speaker 5 (14:35):
That's a good question.
Speaker 6 (14:36):
I don't know, man, it started, Well, my business partner
has started working on Flux maybe ten years ago in
my basement, but we have probably officially created the company
maybe twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
I think.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
And now Alex I retired.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
I happen to have one of these.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
I have a black one and the box says proudly
made in the USA.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
I don't know if it says proudly, but it has
made in the USA.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Not only is it made in the USA, but hey,
it's made in Utah. And we we love featuring Utah companies.
This is the neatest, newest, well I say newest even
though it's been around for a while, but the neatest,
coolest thing to take advantage of some of the the
developments in companies like SIG and like some of these
(15:30):
other companies that have an FCU a fire control unit,
can you explain what the Flux Rader does and how
it incorporates that fire control unit and the rest of
us SIG firearm with the Flux Raider.
Speaker 6 (15:43):
So our our mission with Flux, you know, we have
we have a couple other missions with our other companies,
but for Flux, it is creating the best micro PDW,
you know, the I guess the most the most cable
firearm and the smallest package. And rather than you know,
(16:04):
trying to start from the ground up, we chose to
use the Browning tilting action after like a lot of thought,
just because it is the simplest, lightest, Yeah, it's it's
such a simple system and it's extremely reliable.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
So that's where we started with.
Speaker 6 (16:20):
Originally it was built around the glock, but the SU
the trigger pack allows us to do a lot more
and build build more from the ground ups. It's more
from it's more like you know, the the six three
twenty threety five is like the the engine, and we
build a chassis around that that we can you know,
we have our our brace system, like our auto deploy
(16:43):
brace or stock system, as well as our magazine system,
and it just it enables us to to kind of
go halfway between.
Speaker 5 (16:51):
You know.
Speaker 6 (16:51):
It's it's not a micro rony just kind of built
around like a huge contraption that's built around a pistol frame,
but rather than rather a fairly i would say, quite
sleek design that is as compact as possible while still
being incredibly strong and creates a very good microphece of you.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Yeah, when you hold this thing.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
And so what we're talking about is you take some
you take some parts out of your sig you say
three twenty, and you PLoP it in there and it's
basically almost seamlessly integrated and you now have.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
It.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
It's not just a toy because you you actually compete
with these things. I actually saw Lena mclec in a
real she just had and she's I don't know if
she's competing with it or she's just playing around with it,
but anyway. I know you compete with it, but it
seamlessly integrates this and adds a whole bunch of stock.
When you talk about the auto deploy stock, so we're
(17:49):
talking about a pistol the auto deploy brace, I should
say not it's not a stock folks anyway, versions Okay, okay,
that's right, And now we're gonna have to go to
break here, Bill, what have we got on break?
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Do we have to go to break right now?
Speaker 3 (18:04):
We got about twenty seconds? Actually, oh twenty seconds?
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Yeah, okay, so you hold so, Ben and Alex, hang tight.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Bill's gonna take us out at the right time and
we're gonna bring you right back into third segment.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Okay, hang on.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
Yeah, and we've got a lot more to come back
on here at gun Radio Utah.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Stay tuned and welcome back to gun Radio Utah.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
And keeping with the no apologies things, we've got Ben
and Alex here with flux Rader, flux Rader. How do
people find out more about the flux Rader? And am
I saying it right? Is it the flux is it
the Raider? Is it the what?
Speaker 5 (18:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (18:37):
So, our I guess our primary product is the flux Raider.
Are Our company name is Flux Defense or Flux for short.
The Raider is our our bread and button, bread and
butter what we do best, we would, I don't know.
You can google it, you can, there's there's tons of
reviews on on YouTube. There's you know, you can go
(19:01):
to our own website plus defense dot com and find
out more there. We have some of our own videos
which well we're trying to do a little bit better
on that.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
Yeah, that's where we that's where you'd find.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Us, all right.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
So the Flux Raider is a I don't know if
I'm gonna mess this up, an Alys is gonna get
mad at me. But it's like a chassis system that
integrates the fantastic sig firearm both you can do a
three sixty five or the three twenty, depends on which
model you get, and it seamlessly integrates it. But it
(19:35):
adds so much stuff to this then pistol, because now
you've got a mounting optic or an optic platform. You've
got an extra mag which kind of doubles as a
not a forward grip, but a something along those lines,
a handstop, I don't know what you call it. Anyway,
you've got a brace, and you've got the stock version two.
(19:57):
And let me tell you the brace. The first thing
when he was showing me the brace, that thing auto
deploys the heck out of it. I mean, bam, it's out.
It's ready to go. And you've got so many other things.
You've got slings that you're now integrating in. Like I said,
the extra magazine, this thing can accommodate a suppressed weapon
as well.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
What's next for the Flux Raider.
Speaker 6 (20:21):
It's a great question, man. We are getting back to
our roots. We have we have a glock kit coming
hopefully around the end of the year. We also have
an rx M raider that is coming as well. We're
working on a bunch of other stuff in the background.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
I don't know if we can talk about that stuff.
Speaker 6 (20:44):
We also have we're constantly looking to improve the system
in general. So we have a lot of like various
improvements as well as providing more options. We have some cool,
cool stuff coming in the next year that we can't
talk about.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
But uh, speaking of things you can't.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Speaking of things you can't talk about, and maybe you
can can't. Are there any three or four letter agencies
out there that are looking.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
At this sure there's a.
Speaker 6 (21:12):
The primary you know that use it as as more letters.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
And three or four a few letters, but a few you.
Speaker 6 (21:23):
Know, kind of just maybe I don't know, if you
imagine the quintessential Tier one unit, then it's probably them.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
They they've been they tested it.
Speaker 6 (21:35):
Uh, this is why it got the name raiders through
their testing.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
What is it five six? Five years ago? Uh? Yeah,
a little over five years ago.
Speaker 6 (21:46):
They started started testing it early early prototype and they
just reached out and somehow it ended up with some
sort of contract. I mean, it's not I don't know
if it's a contract, you can look up. But they've
got hundreds of them.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
And.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
There there are there are other there's a lot of
there's a lot of specialty units.
Speaker 5 (22:07):
You know, it's primarily meant for concealment.
Speaker 6 (22:11):
So most of the adoption, most of the adoption, unfortunately
is they're secretive, secretive groups.
Speaker 5 (22:19):
Because they're not they are the most secretive groups they're
not in.
Speaker 6 (22:23):
They don't want anyone to really know anything about anything they.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
Do or stuff they use.
Speaker 6 (22:29):
So we'll see hopefully eventually stuff will will leak. But yeah,
I me know, there's a lot of SPAT units, A
lot of specialty law enforcement units, s r T s
or SROs special response teams. You know, it provides you
very easy it's very easy to control weapon in the
size side of a pistol or or very smart you know,
(22:50):
almost as the same size of.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Fiscal Okay, you guys can't see it, but on the screen.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
So he's sitting there, he's sitting there on a couch
and but bam out comes this I'm gonna call it
a PDW. But anyways, outcomes the raider with the stock
coming out. And it was literally like, I don't know
if it was it appendix carry there was it?
Speaker 8 (23:10):
Yeah, it's just a fix carried Yeah, I mean from
a scenic position and you really didn't even alter the
way you were sitting on the couch and pam out
it came ready to go.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
And I mean this thing is you know, I don't
know if you want to call it a PCC or
a PDW or what. Now you you actually compete with this?
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Is that right? Tell me about some of the competitions.
Speaker 6 (23:34):
Yeah, sure, so this is this is my ADC and
and competition rig I'm I don't know, I'm trying not
to make special changes for competition. I think competition is
an awesome way to test yourself and your gear test,
you know, especially for me developing UH, these these weapons
and everything. I think it's a great, great testing ground
(23:57):
for that. But you think when I'm going against you know,
in PC, I call it b W. I think PCC's
in general are they're just they're not weapons. They're a
kind of toy guns or or race guns, or they're not.
It's it's it's our pretty strong opinion that a rifle
sized weapon should be rifle powered, and vice versa pistol
(24:17):
powered weapons should be pistol sized. So but but when
when we're competing, you know, so yeahs again. I took
the Nationals with Man. I guess the listeners can't see it,
But with UH, I went with Lena, Lena and her
her family. It's pretty awesome. Celebrated my thirtieth birthday there
(24:38):
at Jerry's house and trained with them for a while.
She was shooting it for a while. She'll continue shooting
some of our stuff. Her boyfriend shoots it, her mom
is gonna shoot it. We're about to go to Worlds
in less than a month, so I'm I normally compete
with the three five version.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (24:58):
But because I wanted to get at GM and UH
with my appendix carry and in PCC, I thought that
would be.
Speaker 5 (25:05):
Kind of a funny and awesome thing to do.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
So here's a here's a question for you, Ben. What
was Jerry's take on this? Because Jerry's around, right Jerry, Yeah,
his father, he's been around for quite a while, and
he's kind of an old wheel gun type guy. I
mean when he sees this, what is what's going through
his mind when you showed it to.
Speaker 5 (25:27):
Him, Well, it was pretty awesome.
Speaker 6 (25:30):
It's I don't know, we've we've become friends and I
don't know, it's it's doesn't say it doesn't seem really
even think about it. He Uh, he really likes that.
He thinks it's awesome. I caught him telling one of
his friends at his range when we were training. I
trained there for about a week prior nationals and uh.
He so I was a part of the conversation. Meaning
(25:54):
there's really no bias for for this statement, but he
was saying that he thought it probably is the future
of PCC, which means that you know, like that is
the battle Like obviously there's differences between competition in real life, right, right,
But if you want to measure the ability to put
rounds down range in an underspeed accurately, then competition is.
Speaker 5 (26:18):
Where is how you measure that. So that was pretty
amazing to hear that. It is really cool.
Speaker 6 (26:25):
It allowed The reason why that whole national stuff happened
is because Lena wanted to shoot with her mom. She
hadn't shot for seven seven Her mom was the original
world champion in the family and she hadn't shot for
seven years because she injured her back, and so she
hasn't been able to shoot pistols or rifles.
Speaker 5 (26:44):
But the flux is well. Jerry loved it.
Speaker 6 (26:48):
Because and Lena loved it because it allowed her mom
to compete Jerry's wife to compete again for the first
time in seven years without pain, which.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Oh wow, that's awesome.
Speaker 7 (26:58):
Hey.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
You also mentioned I want to go back to some
of the applications for this gun because this I don't
want to call it it is a gun, but it's
a chassis format is what I look at it as
as well. And you mentioned SROs and you said special
response teams or operations. I was also thinking on top
(27:20):
of the student resource officers and how this could be
very beneficial for law enforcement in a school environment, because
the whole thing is is that we want to get
on target, but if we have to reach out there
a little bit, we want to make sure we are
on target, and sometimes that can make it a little difficult.
(27:43):
You know, I might come in with a little car
being or something or an ar type platform, but this
it makes it a lot easier to get around corners
and clear rooms and such. Maybe you could talk a
little bit about some of the applications that you're seeing
these law enforcement groups using them.
Speaker 5 (28:01):
For sure, the schools.
Speaker 6 (28:05):
Schools were one of my primary motivators for starting this.
I wanted to you know, I wanted to do something.
So we have a bunch of different schools that are
protected by them. I'd like to see way more. You know,
(28:26):
you can't really have and they are like, you can't
have SROs carrying air fifteens around, and then if you
if they're not carrying any are fifteens around. You see
you see stuff like Parkland, Like you know, Parkland's maybe
a few years of people, it's not freshened people's minds,
but there's there's a bunch of instances like Parkland where
you have the student resource officer running away, and I
(28:51):
think it's inexcusable, but it is somewhat understandable in terms
of just the fact that if you know, if you
have an active shooter attacking within our fifteen and you're
only armed with a handgun and you don't train a lot,
your confidence level is not going to be great and
and your capability is just not. Like you know, the
(29:13):
Air fifteen is a much superior weapon as opposed to
a nine longer handgun. But if you then, if you
improve the user interface with that gun, then you're able
to drastically improve the performance and the ability of that
student resource officer to respond to those situations. So the
hope is to have more student resource officers be able
(29:35):
to either have these on their hip and nor if
they're you know, maybe in a bag carrier. That's very
you know, obviously very carefully done. Yeah, it's awesome.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Hey, Alex, where can is there any social media out there?
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Instagram?
Speaker 1 (29:52):
I don't know what the YouTube or anything that has
that you guys are featuring the the flux rater.
Speaker 7 (29:59):
Yeah, so we we like to hit all the main
I mean, Instagram is our main source for I guess
I would say advertising, but in our words, I think
we'd rather say educating, just letting people know what the
system's about and what. More So, Instagram's are main YouTube
for sure as well, because we get a little bit
longer presence there to kind of explain what it's about
(30:22):
more often than Instagram. I think what's good is there's
a lot of reviews on YouTube as well that will
take the good time, you know, maybe five to minutes
to half an hour to really break down all the
use cases and really get into drills and stuff. So
we're on most everything Facebook too, But we're again we're
(30:44):
gonna make a lot bigger of a push coming up
soon here is just in the past we've gone as
slim line as possible on get on getting content and
media out there. So I'm expecting a lot more, especially
this year with new products coming out.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Very good.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
Yeah, and you for our listeners, you can go to
flexdefense dot com and you've got a great review section
there that has a ton of videos for people to
really get a good idea about what's going on, and
then of course that'll put you in that whole YouTube
rabbit hole.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Hey, I want to thank Ben and Alex Uh with
Flux Defense Flux Raider. Check these things out. You will
definitely want to get one of these things or two,
you know something, so check them out. Thanks both of
you for being on gun Radio Utah.
Speaker 5 (31:35):
Thank you, no problem.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
All right, when we come back, We've got lots more
to come in the fast firing last segment, So stay
tuned and welcome back to gun Radio Utah. The power packed,
fast paced last segment. As always, even if we are
pre recording this, so don't call in.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Nobody ever calls. I mean we don't.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
We haven't done that for a while.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
We should, we should probably do, but anyway, but then
we're going to have to get a screener, have to
have Danny screen the calls because all your friends will
call and they're your team. So anyway, big thanks to
Ben and Alex with with Flux Defense.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
That is the coolest well thing, I mean you got.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
In fact, go to sig so hour, go to six
hour dot com and they actually have a deal and
a great.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Sig sour is buying like a.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Ton of these things as many as they can get
and they sell out of them as quick. But they're
on the website under what handguns or pistols. Anyways, check
out the SIG three to twenty legion and it's got
the flux already on it.
Speaker 9 (32:38):
This thing is they're they're really really cool, but they're
also not just cool stuff, but uh, they're tactical as well,
which is everything you say tactical.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
And then that's all you need to say. Oh, I
meant to apologize.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
I thought you were saying you were saying Jerry, and
I thought you meant to say Jeremy, and you did
mean to say Jerry is in Jerry mclect Lina Lina's uh,
Lena mclect's dade. Yeah, so I thought you were talking
about Jeremy. Who is somebody else?
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Okay, but I.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Just won't say who right now. So anyways, but well
I kind.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
Of made a mess up as well. As we're talking
about the U s ROS, I mentioned student resource officers,
I meant to say school resource officers. As much as
I'd like to have students have guns in the school
to protect themselves, I really meant the school resource officers.
So SROs though, we got that straightened out. So now
(33:39):
that we got all the legal stuff done, got to.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
Tell you this new the new the new gun, the
new gat that that I must have now because you know,
I've got the shockwave. The shockwave is that little fourteen
and a half inch berld gun that shoots shotgun shells
twelve gage, you know, two and three quarter and three
and shotgun shells.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
And it's overall length. What is the overall length on
the thing.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
It's like and you'd almost think, oh, well, you can't
have that because it's you know, the barrel length is
is too short? Well, barrel length is fourteen fourteen and
a half inches, And if it was a shotgun, yeah,
that would be considered a short barreled shotgun and require
an NFA tax snamp and all.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
That kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Because it's not a shotgun. And the reason it's not
a shotgun because it doesn't have a stock and it
has a grip, a little stubby little what did you
call it, bill.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
A bird's head, a bird's.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Head type grip.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Well, anyway, so that's the shockwave and it's definitely not
you know, something you'd probably want to take hunting very
much because you don't put it against your shoulder. A
shotgun requires it to be up against your shoulder because
it has a stock. And so does a rifle. But anyway,
so they the shockwave, it's pump action. Now they have
(35:02):
then the Mosburg nine to ninety after shock and it's
a five plus one semi auto twelve gage.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Well, you have to.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
Bring one, Homer. Actually, we've got some connections with Mosburg.
We need to go try one out.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Yeah, you know what I do.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Oh, and they've got one that that one of the
models has a laser grip built into the receiver.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Really tons of stuff.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
You know what we will get I will uh, I
will get with uh with we know who, and we'll
go try this thing out.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
But uh, a semi auto. I just have to have
one now, just have to have.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
Yeah, there's a number of these guns that we need
to try out. We've got another company that wants to
send us some guns as well, so maybe we just
have them sent them all out to us and and
we're good.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
So so I just wanted to double check because it's
been uh, it's been about a year or more that
I've been to Georgia, maybe two years, I don't know. Anyways,
real quick, so they recognize Utah's permit and they and
you can you know, obviously you can carry concealed in
the most places and that type of stuff. They have
preemption laws in Georgia that says, you know, cities and
(36:11):
counties and that kind of stuff can't mess around with you.
Interesting though, they say they have an unusual definition of
a machine gun any weapon which shoots or is designed
to shoot automatically more than six shots without manual reloading
by a single function of the trigger. So under their definition,
a three shot burst only weapon wouldn't be a machine gun.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
Interesting, very interesting.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
All right, Bill, we are out of time.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
Yes, great show.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
Great to have our guests Alex and Ben with this
and Cody for setting it up greatly, appreciate them all.
And hey, have a great time out there in Atlanta,
and we'll see you when you get back.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Clark, all right, Thanks Bill, Talk to you guys next week.
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