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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, Bill, we're broadcasting, you're broadcasting live.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
I don't have a nickname yet for my studio, but
I'm here in Salt Lake County. I'll put it that way,
Lovely Sandy, Utah.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
So that's that's nice. We've got a heck of a
show for you today. We're gonna be talking about, uh,
we're talking about ghost guns. Seems like a more of
an October type thing, but we're gonna be talking about
ghost guns. And Rosie and the Supremes have ruled on
ghost guns a spoiler alert, not in a great way,
(00:35):
but anyway, So we still have our stalwarts Clarence, Thomas
and Alito that are that are looking up for us.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Montana has a great idea that I think we should adopt.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
We're going to be talking about that and it is
in committee. So we're going to be talking about a
great idea regarding your taxes and and how does that
relate to guns. The White House as a mend has
you know that the Health and Human Services the attorney
or the not the attorney, the the general, the surgeon
(01:09):
general there you go, do they call him general?
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Anyway, you know the old the old surgeon General, Vivic Murphy,
he was pretty much, Uh, he's not such an expert
on ebola, but he seemed to be an expert on
guns in that somehow. Well anyway, Uh, we'll see what
the Trump administration has done to what remained of the
(01:35):
website on Health and Human Services regarding guns. Hey, there's
some movement in the United States Congress regarding concealed Carrie reciprocity.
There's a word for you. And and does it differ
from recognition spoiler alert, Yes it does anyway, Uh so, well,
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and then there's enough a kind of minor one. I
don't know how many of our listeners maybe have have
tried to buy a gun perfectly legally at a dealer
and been denied by no fault of their own. All right, anyway,
we've got that, but we are definitely going to be
talking about Yeah, like I said, ghost guns and what
the supremes did this last week, and oh, you know,
(02:25):
a couple of things, a couple things and the you know,
Governor Cox. Governor Spencer Cox has signed all the bills
he's going to sign. He's vetoed all the bills he
had he was going to veto and he's let go
into law without his signature. Thursday night, all those bills
that he decided not to either sign or veto, so
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Thursday was his deadline, and he signed a.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Great bill, you know what.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
And we've talked about so much legislation during the session,
and well, finally, just to wrap it up, HB one
oh four Representative rex Ship Bill Firearms Safety Education in
Schools was signed.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
That is a great bill. That is a great bill.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
It's a great bill.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
It got modified some and that's okay, it's okay, that's
always next year. But anyway it talks about it requires,
it mandates, It says you must do this firearms safety
on the safe handling and storage is appropriate two three
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times that kids have to be taught three times in
K through six and twice during their seventh grade through
twelfth grade, so once during middle school, once during high
school then too. And Bill, we were talking about this
earlier and you said, well, should we make of it?
Should we do a video? I would imagine, Well, see,
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it's going to be up to the local l eas
or what we call local education authorities and to come
up with the content on that. So we're going to
be watching very very carefully what those videos contain because
it's not supposed to be anything, you know, but it's
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better not be anything anti gun, and it's not supposed
to be pro gun either.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
It's supposed to be just educational.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
But do you have do you have your concerns that
some school district might try to sneak in something a
little a little disparaging towards parents.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
You think I.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Wouldn't be a bit surprised a handout will go out
to the kids to take home to the parents, you know,
talking about you know, anti guns.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
I see, this is what we're gonna have to watch.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
This is what we're gonna have to watch because it
was really hard to put into legislation. You can't say
anything derogatory about guns. But I mean we did do
that because it's had nothing disparaging. But we're going to
be watching it very closely. And to listeners out there,
if you happen to find that your local school district
or a local school is under the auspices of HB
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one oh four promoting something that is not quite right
for firearms, would you please let us know at the
Utah Shooting Sports Council Utah Shooting Sports Council dot org,
let us know we will be all over that now.
A lot of folks have wondered what happened to HB
one thirty three. Well, HB one thirty three was, for
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the largest part a recodification of gun laws. Most of
our gun laws, use of force laws, concealed carry laws,
that type of thing are found h in sections fifty
three and seventy six of the Utah Code. And it
was a conglomeration, a mishmash a just unless you knew
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or had something to do with making these laws, it
was hard to find out what you could and couldn't do.
And there was there was a lot of confusion. I
remember we used to get calls all the time from
ledged research, from attorneys, from I mean legislators saying what
does what does this section mean with reference to this
section and so on and so forth. Anyway, so recodification
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was definitely needed. Representative carry On lizzen Be, the House
Majority Whip, took that on and it was about a
year long effort to recodify those sections to make them understandable.
And that's what's important for citizens of Utah, for legislators,
for law enforcement, for judges, you name it, for visitors,
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to Utah to know what the gun laws are, because
a mess up in in in gun laws can sometimes
lead to a felony h and your butts in jail.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
So, so long.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Story short, HB one thirty three died in the Senate committee.
You know, these bills, these good gun bills, they typically
start in the House, and that says something because anyway,
it says whatever you wanted to say. Anyway, and they
claw and they scratch their way through and they get
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him in and they finally make it to the Senate.
And we have two people, two Republican legislator Senate that
voted with the most liberal Democrats in the Senate to
kill the bill, to kill HB one thirty three, and
Senate committee and in fact it went to an odd
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committee to begin with Senate Government Operations as opposed to
like Senate Judiciary Committee, LA Enforcement or something like that
where it should have gone. But it died, and so
so much work was done on that. What we did
is we took the bulk of one thirty three recodification
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which also had clarification language for some misunderstood misapplied laws,
and made it and clarified it, and then we added
some changes as well, some appropriate changes, not money. Long
story short, they that got cut, copied, and pasted into
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one twenty eight HB one twenty eight, So it went
from a three page bill to a two hundred and
sixty four page bill. But the Senate essentially said, the
only way we'll take this is if you strip out
everything for clarification, everything on the new stuff, and go
just with the recodification. So it passed, but it is
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not what it was supposed to be. Anyways, we got
more to talk about. We're going to talk about.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Ghost guns when we come back on Gun Radio Utah.
So you stay right there. Here's your host, Clark of.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Potion and welcome back to gun Radio, Bill Petterson, director
of the Utah Shooting Sports Council, and we've got Clark Poshin,
our senior commander in charge over in the Ghost I
We're so glad to have you with us. Hey, if
you get a chance, go out check out Utah Shooting
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Gals a great work with.
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And they're always great to help me. Thank you, Thank
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got a big shout out to my cousin Cody, his
wife Coley, and Casey who are in the hot tub
in the ghost. Iuy listening to us ramble and talk
about gun stuff. At least we've got three fans and
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two dogs that will listen to us every week. Clark
and there listening audience continues to grow exponentially at that rate.
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Speaker 3 (11:08):
So there you go. Yeah, it's true, that's true. Not
making that up. Not making that up.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
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I'm in the top five mom.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Yeah, all right.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
So anyway, we talked about we talked about HB one
thirty three morphing, kind of morphing and going through a transition,
if you will, into a bill that wasn't bad, but
let me tell you it was not all it could
have been.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
And I've talked to the sponsor, talked.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
To the sponsor, I've talked to LED Research, and we're
looking forward to fixing it in May, because starting in May,
I think May fifth or May seventh, new bills can
be introduced for the twenty twenty sixth Do you believe
that it's the next one is going to be on
twenty six Legislative sessions starts in January on John and.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Browning's birthday, and we're going to be ready to go.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
But in between now and then in January, UTAR Shooting
Sports Council along with folks from the NRA and National
Shooting Sports Foundation as well as Women for Gun Rights,
Rayel Cunningham and the rest, Cindy and the rest, are
going to be meeting with Senators because Bill, let's face it,
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that's our sticking point is the Senate and not the
whole Senate. Let me just say that, not the whole Senate,
not even half the Senate.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
So anyway, we'll have our work cut out for us
because and we're going to hit it.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
We're hitting it early says we want that, we want
that done anyway. So let's talk about ghost guns. Rosie
and the Supremes this last week issued a seven ruling.
Again I'm gonna say, not in our favor, not in
your favor, my favor, Denny's favor, you know, not in
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his favor either and against Well, let me tell you
this is their explanation of ghost guns.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Here where's it appened.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
This is a ghost gun.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
This right here has ability with a thirty caliber clip
to disperse with thirty bullets within half a second thirty
magazine clip in half a second.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Okay, you heard it right from the experts. That makes
my brain hurt when you're trying to figure that out.
There was so much misunderstanding in one sentence that it
just hurts anyway.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
So okay, go.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
I hate to even use the word ghostguns, but they
use it. These are guns that you make by yourself
that since we have been since there have been regulation
in this country regarding firearms, making your own firearm has
not been regulated. And I think right now the step
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that the Supreme Court took is an overreach. So what
there were companies out there so you could go into
your garage or your basement or whatever on the kitchen
table and start making your own gun if you knew,
if you were adept at your drills and your lathes
and your whatever, and you could make your own gun.
And you don't have to put a serial number on it.
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It's your gun.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
There's no federal requirement whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Another in some states there is state requirements, but it's
your gun. You don't have to it doesn't pass through anything.
You don't have to worry about it. And there were
some companies out there that could help you, to help
facilitate you making that gun and basically completing all the
harder parts, but still giving you something that's not a gun,
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it's not complete, it's not finished, but then included in
the box that you could buy online without a background
check or anything like that, because it's not a gun,
it's a it's an unfinished frame or receiver. And then
they would give you all the parts necessary to put
into the gun once you finish drilling and shaping or
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grinding or whatever you need to do to this receiver.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
And they call them eighty percenters.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Bill, you did some research on eighty percent though, Yeah,
eighty percent finished, but not one hundred percent finished, which
would have been done.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
So yeah, and our question we're talking about earlier Clark,
is what determines eighty percent? I really didn't understand that term,
and so I went on to Grock, our ai friend,
and basically, eighty percent is really just a term analogy
that the atf uses. It's not a complete gun, but
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it's the degree of completion. It consists of the frame
and the receiver that not all the drilling and machining
has been completed. And so eighty percent isn't a legal standard.
But it's a term that roughly implies that there's twenty
percent left of work to make it functionable.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Now, so that's why, that's why these companies like like
poly eighty, they could, they could, they could manufacture something
that resembled a frame of receiver and but not quite
finish it so that it wasn't a gut. Let's be
honest here. What they were making was something. In fact,
they even called it by build shoot, and it was
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a kit, but you did have to do some drilling
and so it just barely qualified as.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Not a firearm. Let's just be honest there.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Now, I don't they should, they should be regulating in
the first place.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
But anyway, well, this.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Is interesting because they have this section it's called readily convertible,
where the ATF examines whether the incomplete frame or receiver
can be readily assembled, and it includes the amount of time,
the skill, the equipment, whether specialized tools or jigs or
common tools household tools, I should say, and the extent
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of machining is required. So the ATF still looks at
these and determines if they classify as an eighty eighty
or an eighty percent gun. Eighty two and they go
by by case as well.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Okay, and so what this ruling did seven to two
really on the Supreme Court with Clarence Thomas and Justice
Alito in the in the descending dissension of it, said
that in this particular case, and they were talking about
these eighty percent kits, specifically one called poly eighty, which
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is now out of business anyway, and they said, and it.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Was a Biden era ban, the Biden era.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
ATF department that said, and basically Supreme Court said the
ATF does not exceed its authority when it reclassified it
actually reclassified it again the ATF.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Okay, yeah, they're they're legal now, and now we're.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Going to say they're not legal because because President Biden
told us to make it illegal or reclassify him an
unfinished gun part kit, and they're treating it the exact
same as a fully functional firearm, which now means that
Polyady or other kit manufacturers are now going to have
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to be manufacture FFLs. They're going to have to run
background checks, they're going to have to go through dealers
and that kind of stuff to sell these eight percenters.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
But can you still question is can you still make
a gun at.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Home from just parts and not you know, less than
eighty percent frames or receivers. Yes, you absolutely can, but
if you buy an eighty percent er it's or a
kit like that you're gonna have, it's gonna have a
serial number, and it's going to be regulated just like
a firearm. So our question was you can three D
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print one that's perfectly legal to do.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
What since it's.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Since eighty percent was not measured with a ruler or
a tape measure or something, what what does that mean
as a seventy nine percent?
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Okay? And how do you measure that?
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Is this or is a block of aluminum the size
of a receiver? Is that also now a gun? And
this is the scary part. And this is where I
think that it's not as bad as it could have been,
but it could be because the ATF is now left
up to deciding what is you know, seemingly like that.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
And no, I don't think a block of.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Aluminum or stainless steel or whatever is going to be
considered a firearm, but what is now?
Speaker 3 (20:08):
And that's that's the scary part.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
So anyways, I think there was a lot of overreach
in this, but it could have been worse. It could
have said, you know, maybe they could have said, well,
you know, your three D printer is now a gun.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Because it can make a gun. I don't know. Anyway.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
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All right, fantas.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
So, now, bill, we were talking about legislative and so
let me tell you.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
So we've got what bill is it? What bill is it?
Speaker 1 (22:56):
In the United States Congress on Tuesday, the House Judiciary
Committee had had a mark up it basically, you know,
consolidates not consolidates, but puts the fine touches on bills
before they get to the full House. And one of
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those bills was HR thirty eight, and that's it's titled
Constitutional Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act. In short, it means that
you got to permit in one state, it's good in
the other state, in all states.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
And so that's that's really good.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Especially for states that aren't issuing to non residents that's
kind of important, or they make you go get their
states concealed carry permit. But if you look at it,
we don't need to kind of wonder how it's going
to work. Utah has been doing this for so so long.
One we recognize, guys, so in all smart in our
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small part, we don't it's not going to be a
big change for Utah at all because we already recognize
any concealed carry permit, any concealed carry permit, You're welcome
to come to Utah and take advantage of ninety nine
percent of the stuff here.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
And now.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
It's that is called recognition. We don't necessarily have reciprocity.
That term means a legal agreement between two states. We
have reciprocity agreements for states that require that to go
back and forth.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
But it's just.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Simple recognition on our end, Like we recognize California's concealed
carry permit, but they don't recognize ours.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Now, how much does that really make a difference?
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Not so much anymore when you have twenty nine states
coming up on thirty states with North Carolina I think
poised to join the permitless carry crowd.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
I mean a California can't just come here as.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Long as they're otherwise law abiding, they can come here
and carry their concealed fire and for lawful self defense.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
So the hand ringing bedwetters.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Emma Brown from the Gun Control Adversi Core Group Giffords
Giffords for hang ringing bedwetters Ah. She says this, this
legislation is a dramatic. Just picture her in that voice.
You know that, you know I'm not even going to
try it. But this legislation is a dramatic infringement on
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states' rights and would be disastrous for gun crime and
law enforcement safety in our country, said Emma Brown, executive
director at the Gun Controlled ADVISIKI Group Giffords. She says,
violent crime rises when states concealed carry standards are weakened,
and this would weaken the state and weaken that standard
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in every single state. So it would also in danger
police and make their jobs harder. Emma at it. So, Emma, listen,
hun take a look at states that have the most
permissive gun laws in the nation.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
What am I talking about? Utah? What is our homicide rate?
What is it again?
Speaker 4 (26:19):
Emma?
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Is it two point two when the national average is
in the sixes. Californias is eight point something, Washington is
even higher. Yeah, we're third lowest in the nation. And Bill,
you actually pointed out the other day that we are
four tenths of a point from being the lowest homicide
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rate in the nation behind what is it?
Speaker 3 (26:44):
New Hampshire and Vermont? I think and something like that.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
We had a county attorney that would actually process, we'd
be lower.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Yeah, and I think you came up with a new
nickname for him, sim Kill. Yeah, sim Kill attorney sim Kill.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Uh So anyway, I I you know that that's uh,
that's you know, anyway, it's not going to what what
she what she says is apparently she doesn't have to
verify any of her information, kind of like we have.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
To do that.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
But uh and where do we get our information from?
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Uh, from the CDC?
Speaker 1 (27:27):
So anyway, Uh, hey, Montana, I was going to tell
you about Monte. Did I finish my thought on the
other stuff though?
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Did I?
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Sometimes you know, you lose track, all right, So anyways,
we talked about that National Reciprocity Act.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
It's going to go to the floor. It's HR thirty eight.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Tell your house member the four that we have, tell
them vote for it and actually give them a call
and tell them to be co sponsors. I just looked
and we have none of our Utah reps as co sponsors.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
We need to co sponsor that bill.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Co sponsor the hell out of it, all right, Montana,
Buyer Arms Suppressor Tax Credit bill Z in committee next week.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
This is awesome, This is cool, This is a great deal.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
I like bill actually, I take that back. It was
in committee last It was in.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Committee yesterday on the twenty eight okay, right, so it
was it was in an appropriate committee of the House
Taxation Committee. And basically what it does it provides for
a fifty dollars hey, I get it.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
The tax stamp is two hundred dollars, but it's a start.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
It provides a fifty dollars refundable tax credit for the
federally required tax stamps for the purchase and possession of
a firearms suppressor, so the refund would be made available
in twenty six. It has a sunset clauset at the
end of twenty twenty seven, but I'm sure they can
gets that, you know through. And what is it designed
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to do. It's designed to help protect shooters. People are
shooting guns from long term hearing damage. And when I
say long term, the more appropriate term is permanent hearing damage.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
Right.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
And you know, let's be like our friends across the
Atlantic and like in the UK, and that you can
buy a suppressor over the counter.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Now, a lot of our listeners are going to say,
Clark and I got to jump in here. There's a
great big retailer here in Utah that did a special
on suppressors. They had them on sale, but they also
went and met with all the other suppressor companies to
help pitch in and pay the two.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Hundred dollars tax stamp.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
If you bought a suppressor from him, and one of
my friends did it, he got it in two days.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
Amazing.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
So this is starting to gain some energy, and I
would love to see legislation maybe once a year that
maybe we just call it Silence or co or all
the Utah suppressors can pitch in and do tax free
day if you buy a suppressor. Okay, if we can
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get legislation to buy in on you, you know what.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
We need to have Representative McPherson. Representative McPherson because he's Scottish.
That's how he was supposed to say his name.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Do that.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
He he ran that bell on ran a bill on
tax runs. Hey, we are done for this segment. We'll
be right back on Gun Radio Utah. So don't touch
that dial. Com Clark Opposi, Cherald Utah Shooting Sports Council.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Joining me.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
In between his conversations with other folks is Bill Petterson,
director of the Utah Shooting Sports Council, and hey, I
wanted to remind you folks that as some of the
as part of the clarifications of HB one thirty three
slash HB one twenty eight that I got morphed into
was landlords, Hey, do you lease your apartment or your
(30:58):
condo or something like that.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Have you looked at your lease agreement?
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Have you looked to see that so many of these
things have a clause in there that that actually say
you can't have a firearm in the common areas and
in your unit, in your in your actual unit.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
Does that Is that violating Utah state? Now, of course
it is.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
There was two or three places, but there were in
weird places in Utah code. So we we fix that,
and it's now very clearly delineated that a lesser or
a landlord cannot have that in their lease, can't have
it as a as a rule of policy or anything
like that not in there. It's one of the things
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that did survive the transition, uh, in that bill. So
so you got that going for you, all right, we did.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
We did that.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
And oh so we were talking about the US House
and that kind of stuff. Speaking about the US House,
let me let me play a clip somebody explaining a
bump stock or no, someone was had a picture of
a braced firearm, a braced pistol, which is still a pistol,
and this is how he explained it, and so.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Or or not.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
Stabilized embrace which is depicted here.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
When attached here, it turns this weapon into an automatic weapon.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
This bumps, it becomes a bump stock.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
And so so a brace turns a turns a pistol
into an automatic weapon, and it becomes a bump stock.
Apparently those are the folks that are representing so scary
Clark And that was in a committee that was literally
in a committee. He had a big poster up of
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a braced firearm and he anyway.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Well I remember someone bringing up your bump stocking committee.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
This last session was study was that stadia blue and yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Study that had to backpedal really quick on what he
was saying on his.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
Yeah anyway, sweet little hearts, So they right, you know,
we have we actually have.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Utah has had some good representatives though in our US house.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
In fact, I was going to throw it to you
on this one too.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
Yeah, this is a this is a this is a
sad one represented me a love passed away.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
This past week, and and she was awesome.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
She was, uh, the US representative, our first black female
representative from Utah and the time.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
And actually, not just to interrupt you, but I know
what you meant, but it's not just from Utah, in
the entire United States, the first black Republican woman.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Oh that's true, You're right, absolutely right. But the times
we got to hang out with her, Clark at the
gun shows. We've got some pictures of us and with
our whole board, with our board and everything, and and
I know I got to go shooting with her at
a fundraiser event that was actually held sponsored by Silencer Co.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
As she was running for this position. And yeah, she's
just a wonderful, wonderful lady, and she is going to
be truly missed, no doubt about it.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
So yeah, I know that she's going to be should
be lying in state in the Utah State Capital. I
believe it's in the rotunda starting Sunday the sixth, and
then I believe her funeral will be up at I
want to say it's going to be up at the
University of Utah or something like that, but I'm sure
(34:55):
you can find that online and find out, but I
think that's on Monday through that.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
So yeah, our our best thoughts go out to her family.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
I've met her family and and kids in that, and
our best thoughts go out to that passed away way
too soon of a an unforeseable brain.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
It was brains.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Yeah, brain. Yeah, so not good, not good. So she
she'll be missed now. In fact, I was going to
play another court. I have some other I have some
other bill. Do you mind if I play another.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Your house US house member? Uh explaining uh, explaining a
bill that she wrote about firearms, but she doesn't quite
understand the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
I'm not saying it was the best bill, but that
was the best bill particular time. I actually don't know
what a bar that goes up start.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
I didn't you love the report the interviewer, No, it's
not a barrel. Shroud is a thing, a shoulder thing
that goes up that's uh, that's classic and uh, and
then there's this one to have those.
Speaker 7 (36:16):
Now they're going to shoot them. And so if you
ban if you ban them in the future, the number
of these high capacity magazines is going to decrease dramatically
over time because the bullets will have been shot and
there won't be any more available.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
Bill. That hurts my brain too. What was she trying?
Speaker 1 (36:34):
She was trying to explain that a high capacity magazine
loaded with ammunition, once you use it, the ammunition and
the magazine will no longer be usable.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
I could see the ammunition.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Uh yeah, because that word sella It sounded just like
something Famala would have said.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
So Bill, Hey, thanks so much, Denny, thank you so much.
You know they're in uh In, iHeart Central and standing in.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Front of the rod Arquette Show, which the Roden greg Show.
Excuse me that you can listen to every day Monday
through Friday from four to seven. And so yeah, I
don't hear I'm not hearing the music, but I'm assuming
there's music playing.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
And there we go. Oh okay, go out. I know
it's a little rainy and cold out there. Take your
stainless steel weapons. See
Hey, Bill, we're broadcasting, you're broadcasting live.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
I don't have a nickname yet for my studio, but
I'm here in Salt Lake County. I'll put it that way,
Lovely Sandy, Utah.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
So that's that's nice. We've got a heck of a
show for you today. We're gonna be talking about, uh,
we're talking about ghost guns. Seems like a more of
an October type thing, but we're gonna be talking about
ghost guns. And Rosie and the Supremes have ruled on
ghost guns a spoiler alert, not in a great way,
(00:35):
but anyway, So we still have our stalwarts Clarence, Thomas
and Alito that are that are looking up for us.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Montana has a great idea that I think we should adopt.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
We're going to be talking about that and it is
in committee. So we're going to be talking about a
great idea regarding your taxes and and how does that
relate to guns. The White House as a mend has
you know that the Health and Human Services the attorney
or the not the attorney, the the general, the surgeon
(01:09):
general there you go, do they call him general?
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Anyway, you know the old the old surgeon General, Vivic Murphy,
he was pretty much, Uh, he's not such an expert
on ebola, but he seemed to be an expert on
guns in that somehow. Well anyway, Uh, we'll see what
the Trump administration has done to what remained of the
(01:35):
website on Health and Human Services regarding guns. Hey, there's
some movement in the United States Congress regarding concealed Carrie reciprocity.
There's a word for you. And and does it differ
from recognition spoiler alert, Yes it does anyway, Uh so, well,
(01:59):
and then there's enough a kind of minor one. I
don't know how many of our listeners maybe have have
tried to buy a gun perfectly legally at a dealer
and been denied by no fault of their own. All right, anyway,
we've got that, but we are definitely going to be
talking about Yeah, like I said, ghost guns and what
the supremes did this last week, and oh, you know,
(02:25):
a couple of things, a couple things and the you know,
Governor Cox. Governor Spencer Cox has signed all the bills
he's going to sign. He's vetoed all the bills he
had he was going to veto and he's let go
into law without his signature. Thursday night, all those bills
that he decided not to either sign or veto, so
(02:47):
Thursday was his deadline, and he signed a.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Great bill, you know what.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
And we've talked about so much legislation during the session,
and well, finally, just to wrap it up, HB one
oh four Representative rex Ship Bill Firearms Safety Education in
Schools was signed.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
That is a great bill. That is a great bill.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
It's a great bill.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
It got modified some and that's okay, it's okay, that's
always next year. But anyway it talks about it requires,
it mandates, It says you must do this firearms safety
on the safe handling and storage is appropriate two three
(03:34):
times that kids have to be taught three times in
K through six and twice during their seventh grade through
twelfth grade, so once during middle school, once during high
school then too. And Bill, we were talking about this
earlier and you said, well, should we make of it?
Should we do a video? I would imagine, Well, see,
(03:56):
it's going to be up to the local l eas
or what we call local education authorities and to come
up with the content on that. So we're going to
be watching very very carefully what those videos contain because
it's not supposed to be anything, you know, but it's
(04:18):
better not be anything anti gun, and it's not supposed
to be pro gun either.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
It's supposed to be just educational.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
But do you have do you have your concerns that
some school district might try to sneak in something a
little a little disparaging towards parents.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
You think I.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Wouldn't be a bit surprised a handout will go out
to the kids to take home to the parents, you know,
talking about you know, anti guns.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
I see, this is what we're gonna have to watch.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
This is what we're gonna have to watch because it
was really hard to put into legislation. You can't say
anything derogatory about guns. But I mean we did do
that because it's had nothing disparaging. But we're going to
be watching it very closely. And to listeners out there,
if you happen to find that your local school district
or a local school is under the auspices of HB
(05:11):
one oh four promoting something that is not quite right
for firearms, would you please let us know at the
Utah Shooting Sports Council Utah Shooting Sports Council dot org,
let us know we will be all over that now.
A lot of folks have wondered what happened to HB
one thirty three. Well, HB one thirty three was, for
(05:34):
the largest part a recodification of gun laws. Most of
our gun laws, use of force laws, concealed carry laws,
that type of thing are found h in sections fifty
three and seventy six of the Utah Code. And it
was a conglomeration, a mishmash a just unless you knew
(05:58):
or had something to do with making these laws, it
was hard to find out what you could and couldn't do.
And there was there was a lot of confusion. I
remember we used to get calls all the time from
ledged research, from attorneys, from I mean legislators saying what
does what does this section mean with reference to this
section and so on and so forth. Anyway, so recodification
(06:19):
was definitely needed. Representative carry On lizzen Be, the House
Majority Whip, took that on and it was about a
year long effort to recodify those sections to make them understandable.
And that's what's important for citizens of Utah, for legislators,
for law enforcement, for judges, you name it, for visitors,
(06:41):
to Utah to know what the gun laws are, because
a mess up in in in gun laws can sometimes
lead to a felony h and your butts in jail.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
So, so long.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Story short, HB one thirty three died in the Senate committee.
You know, these bills, these good gun bills, they typically
start in the House, and that says something because anyway,
it says whatever you wanted to say. Anyway, and they
claw and they scratch their way through and they get
(07:18):
him in and they finally make it to the Senate.
And we have two people, two Republican legislator Senate that
voted with the most liberal Democrats in the Senate to
kill the bill, to kill HB one thirty three, and
Senate committee and in fact it went to an odd
(07:39):
committee to begin with Senate Government Operations as opposed to
like Senate Judiciary Committee, LA Enforcement or something like that
where it should have gone. But it died, and so
so much work was done on that. What we did
is we took the bulk of one thirty three recodification
(08:01):
which also had clarification language for some misunderstood misapplied laws,
and made it and clarified it, and then we added
some changes as well, some appropriate changes, not money. Long
story short, they that got cut, copied, and pasted into
(08:23):
one twenty eight HB one twenty eight, So it went
from a three page bill to a two hundred and
sixty four page bill. But the Senate essentially said, the
only way we'll take this is if you strip out
everything for clarification, everything on the new stuff, and go
just with the recodification. So it passed, but it is
(08:45):
not what it was supposed to be. Anyways, we got
more to talk about. We're going to talk about.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Ghost guns when we come back on Gun Radio Utah.
So you stay right there. Here's your host, Clark of.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Potion and welcome back to gun Radio, Bill Petterson, director
of the Utah Shooting Sports Council, and we've got Clark Poshin,
our senior commander in charge over in the Ghost I
We're so glad to have you with us. Hey, if
you get a chance, go out check out Utah Shooting
(09:16):
Sportscouncil dot org. Sign up for our email alerts. It's
a great way to get involved, kind of know what's
going on. The summertimes are a little bit slower, but
there are times where we need help. We need volunteers,
whether we're doing a concealed carry class for school teachers,
or we're having a vent up on the hill, or
(09:36):
just getting out and meeting with people. Just go out
and check out Utah Shooting Sports Council dot org. Make
sure you get signed up on our alerts so you
can stay in form. Now, I got to do a
big shout out to the gals over at the Granite
Credit Union here in Sandy Siting.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Gals a great work with.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
And they're always great to help me. Thank you, Thank
you ladies. Or granted to credit Union. And then also
got a big shout out to my cousin Cody, his
wife Coley, and Casey who are in the hot tub
in the ghost. Iuy listening to us ramble and talk
about gun stuff. At least we've got three fans and
(10:20):
two dogs that will listen to us every week. Clark
and there listening audience continues to grow exponentially at that rate.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
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Speaker 3 (11:08):
So there you go. Yeah, it's true, that's true. Not
making that up. Not making that up.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
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I'm in the top five mom.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Yeah, all right.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
So anyway, we talked about we talked about HB one
thirty three morphing, kind of morphing and going through a transition,
if you will, into a bill that wasn't bad, but
let me tell you it was not all it could
have been.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
And I've talked to the sponsor, talked.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
To the sponsor, I've talked to LED Research, and we're
looking forward to fixing it in May, because starting in May,
I think May fifth or May seventh, new bills can
be introduced for the twenty twenty sixth Do you believe
that it's the next one is going to be on
twenty six Legislative sessions starts in January on John and.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Browning's birthday, and we're going to be ready to go.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
But in between now and then in January, UTAR Shooting
Sports Council along with folks from the NRA and National
Shooting Sports Foundation as well as Women for Gun Rights,
Rayel Cunningham and the rest, Cindy and the rest, are
going to be meeting with Senators because Bill, let's face it,
(12:30):
that's our sticking point is the Senate and not the
whole Senate. Let me just say that, not the whole Senate,
not even half the Senate.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
So anyway, we'll have our work cut out for us
because and we're going to hit it.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
We're hitting it early says we want that, we want
that done anyway. So let's talk about ghost guns. Rosie
and the Supremes this last week issued a seven ruling.
Again I'm gonna say, not in our favor, not in
your favor, my favor, Denny's favor, you know, not in
(13:08):
his favor either and against Well, let me tell you
this is their explanation of ghost guns.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Here where's it appened.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
This is a ghost gun.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
This right here has ability with a thirty caliber clip
to disperse with thirty bullets within half a second thirty
magazine clip in half a second.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Okay, you heard it right from the experts. That makes
my brain hurt when you're trying to figure that out.
There was so much misunderstanding in one sentence that it
just hurts anyway.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
So okay, go.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
I hate to even use the word ghostguns, but they
use it. These are guns that you make by yourself
that since we have been since there have been regulation
in this country regarding firearms, making your own firearm has
not been regulated. And I think right now the step
(14:20):
that the Supreme Court took is an overreach. So what
there were companies out there so you could go into
your garage or your basement or whatever on the kitchen
table and start making your own gun if you knew,
if you were adept at your drills and your lathes
and your whatever, and you could make your own gun.
And you don't have to put a serial number on it.
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It's your gun.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
There's no federal requirement whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Another in some states there is state requirements, but it's
your gun. You don't have to it doesn't pass through anything.
You don't have to worry about it. And there were
some companies out there that could help you, to help
facilitate you making that gun and basically completing all the
harder parts, but still giving you something that's not a gun,
(15:06):
it's not complete, it's not finished, but then included in
the box that you could buy online without a background
check or anything like that, because it's not a gun,
it's a it's an unfinished frame or receiver. And then
they would give you all the parts necessary to put
into the gun once you finish drilling and shaping or
(15:29):
grinding or whatever you need to do to this receiver.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
And they call them eighty percenters.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Bill, you did some research on eighty percent though, Yeah,
eighty percent finished, but not one hundred percent finished, which
would have been done.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
So yeah, and our question we're talking about earlier Clark,
is what determines eighty percent? I really didn't understand that term,
and so I went on to Grock, our ai friend,
and basically, eighty percent is really just a term analogy
that the atf uses. It's not a complete gun, but
(16:05):
it's the degree of completion. It consists of the frame
and the receiver that not all the drilling and machining
has been completed. And so eighty percent isn't a legal standard.
But it's a term that roughly implies that there's twenty
percent left of work to make it functionable.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Now, so that's why, that's why these companies like like
poly eighty, they could, they could, they could manufacture something
that resembled a frame of receiver and but not quite
finish it so that it wasn't a gut. Let's be
honest here. What they were making was something. In fact,
they even called it by build shoot, and it was
(16:52):
a kit, but you did have to do some drilling
and so it just barely qualified as.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Not a firearm. Let's just be honest there.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Now, I don't they should, they should be regulating in
the first place.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
But anyway, well, this.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Is interesting because they have this section it's called readily convertible,
where the ATF examines whether the incomplete frame or receiver
can be readily assembled, and it includes the amount of time,
the skill, the equipment, whether specialized tools or jigs or
common tools household tools, I should say, and the extent
(17:25):
of machining is required. So the ATF still looks at
these and determines if they classify as an eighty eighty
or an eighty percent gun. Eighty two and they go
by by case as well.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Okay, and so what this ruling did seven to two
really on the Supreme Court with Clarence Thomas and Justice
Alito in the in the descending dissension of it, said
that in this particular case, and they were talking about
these eighty percent kits, specifically one called poly eighty, which
(17:58):
is now out of business anyway, and they said, and it.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Was a Biden era ban, the Biden era.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
ATF department that said, and basically Supreme Court said the
ATF does not exceed its authority when it reclassified it
actually reclassified it again the ATF.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Okay, yeah, they're they're legal now, and now we're.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Going to say they're not legal because because President Biden
told us to make it illegal or reclassify him an
unfinished gun part kit, and they're treating it the exact
same as a fully functional firearm, which now means that
Polyady or other kit manufacturers are now going to have
(18:47):
to be manufacture FFLs. They're going to have to run
background checks, they're going to have to go through dealers
and that kind of stuff to sell these eight percenters.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
But can you still question is can you still make
a gun at.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Home from just parts and not you know, less than
eighty percent frames or receivers. Yes, you absolutely can, but
if you buy an eighty percent er it's or a
kit like that you're gonna have, it's gonna have a
serial number, and it's going to be regulated just like
a firearm. So our question was you can three D
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print one that's perfectly legal to do.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
What since it's.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Since eighty percent was not measured with a ruler or
a tape measure or something, what what does that mean
as a seventy nine percent?
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Okay? And how do you measure that?
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Is this or is a block of aluminum the size
of a receiver? Is that also now a gun? And
this is the scary part. And this is where I
think that it's not as bad as it could have been,
but it could be because the ATF is now left
up to deciding what is you know, seemingly like that.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
And no, I don't think a block of.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Aluminum or stainless steel or whatever is going to be
considered a firearm, but what is now?
Speaker 3 (20:08):
And that's that's the scary part.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
So anyways, I think there was a lot of overreach
in this, but it could have been worse. It could
have said, you know, maybe they could have said, well,
you know, your three D printer is now a gun.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Because it can make a gun. I don't know. Anyway.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
When we come back on Gun Radio Utah, there's lots more,
so you stay right there.
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me last time.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Dolly, Yeah, dolly, but yeah, go check out our friends
that flash my brass and check out and maybe they'll
throw a box of ammunition. They were actually giving away
last weekend if you stopped to twenty two ammo. But
it wasn't just twenty two ammo. It was Cci twenty two.
(22:39):
I know, yeah you say, yeah, I mean it was
the good yeah, really good stuff.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
So yeah, go check out our friends, flash my brass.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
All right, fantas.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
So, now, bill, we were talking about legislative and so
let me tell you.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
So we've got what bill is it? What bill is it?
Speaker 1 (22:56):
In the United States Congress on Tuesday, the House Judiciary
Committee had had a mark up it basically, you know,
consolidates not consolidates, but puts the fine touches on bills
before they get to the full House. And one of
(23:18):
those bills was HR thirty eight, and that's it's titled
Constitutional Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act. In short, it means that
you got to permit in one state, it's good in
the other state, in all states.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
And so that's that's really good.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Especially for states that aren't issuing to non residents that's
kind of important, or they make you go get their
states concealed carry permit. But if you look at it,
we don't need to kind of wonder how it's going
to work. Utah has been doing this for so so long.
One we recognize, guys, so in all smart in our
(24:04):
small part, we don't it's not going to be a
big change for Utah at all because we already recognize
any concealed carry permit, any concealed carry permit, You're welcome
to come to Utah and take advantage of ninety nine
percent of the stuff here.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
And now.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
It's that is called recognition. We don't necessarily have reciprocity.
That term means a legal agreement between two states. We
have reciprocity agreements for states that require that to go
back and forth.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
But it's just.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Simple recognition on our end, Like we recognize California's concealed
carry permit, but they don't recognize ours.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Now, how much does that really make a difference?
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Not so much anymore when you have twenty nine states
coming up on thirty states with North Carolina I think
poised to join the permitless carry crowd.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
I mean a California can't just come here as.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Long as they're otherwise law abiding, they can come here
and carry their concealed fire and for lawful self defense.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
So the hand ringing bedwetters.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Emma Brown from the Gun Control Adversi Core Group Giffords
Giffords for hang ringing bedwetters Ah. She says this, this
legislation is a dramatic. Just picture her in that voice.
You know that, you know I'm not even going to
try it. But this legislation is a dramatic infringement on
(25:34):
states' rights and would be disastrous for gun crime and
law enforcement safety in our country, said Emma Brown, executive
director at the Gun Controlled ADVISIKI Group Giffords. She says,
violent crime rises when states concealed carry standards are weakened,
and this would weaken the state and weaken that standard
(25:55):
in every single state. So it would also in danger
police and make their jobs harder. Emma at it. So, Emma, listen,
hun take a look at states that have the most
permissive gun laws in the nation.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
What am I talking about? Utah? What is our homicide rate?
What is it again?
Speaker 4 (26:19):
Emma?
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Is it two point two when the national average is
in the sixes. Californias is eight point something, Washington is
even higher. Yeah, we're third lowest in the nation. And Bill,
you actually pointed out the other day that we are
four tenths of a point from being the lowest homicide
(26:42):
rate in the nation behind what is it?
Speaker 3 (26:44):
New Hampshire and Vermont? I think and something like that.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
We had a county attorney that would actually process, we'd
be lower.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Yeah, and I think you came up with a new
nickname for him, sim Kill. Yeah, sim Kill attorney sim Kill.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Uh So anyway, I I you know that that's uh,
that's you know, anyway, it's not going to what what
she what she says is apparently she doesn't have to
verify any of her information, kind of like we have.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
To do that.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
But uh and where do we get our information from?
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Uh, from the CDC?
Speaker 1 (27:27):
So anyway, Uh, hey, Montana, I was going to tell
you about Monte. Did I finish my thought on the
other stuff though?
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Did I?
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Sometimes you know, you lose track, all right, So anyways,
we talked about that National Reciprocity Act.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
It's going to go to the floor. It's HR thirty eight.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Tell your house member the four that we have, tell
them vote for it and actually give them a call
and tell them to be co sponsors. I just looked
and we have none of our Utah reps as co sponsors.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
We need to co sponsor that bill.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Co sponsor the hell out of it, all right, Montana,
Buyer Arms Suppressor Tax Credit bill Z in committee next week.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
This is awesome, This is cool, This is a great deal.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
I like bill actually, I take that back. It was
in committee last It was in.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Committee yesterday on the twenty eight okay, right, so it
was it was in an appropriate committee of the House
Taxation Committee. And basically what it does it provides for
a fifty dollars hey, I get it.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
The tax stamp is two hundred dollars, but it's a start.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
It provides a fifty dollars refundable tax credit for the
federally required tax stamps for the purchase and possession of
a firearms suppressor, so the refund would be made available
in twenty six. It has a sunset clauset at the
end of twenty twenty seven, but I'm sure they can
gets that, you know through. And what is it designed
(28:51):
to do. It's designed to help protect shooters. People are
shooting guns from long term hearing damage. And when I
say long term, the more appropriate term is permanent hearing damage.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
Right.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
And you know, let's be like our friends across the
Atlantic and like in the UK, and that you can
buy a suppressor over the counter.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Now, a lot of our listeners are going to say,
Clark and I got to jump in here. There's a
great big retailer here in Utah that did a special
on suppressors. They had them on sale, but they also
went and met with all the other suppressor companies to
help pitch in and pay the two.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Hundred dollars tax stamp.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
If you bought a suppressor from him, and one of
my friends did it, he got it in two days.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
Amazing.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
So this is starting to gain some energy, and I
would love to see legislation maybe once a year that
maybe we just call it Silence or co or all
the Utah suppressors can pitch in and do tax free
day if you buy a suppressor. Okay, if we can
(30:06):
get legislation to buy in on you, you know what.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
We need to have Representative McPherson. Representative McPherson because he's Scottish.
That's how he was supposed to say his name.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Do that.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
He he ran that bell on ran a bill on
tax runs. Hey, we are done for this segment. We'll
be right back on Gun Radio Utah. So don't touch
that dial. Com Clark Opposi, Cherald Utah Shooting Sports Council.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Joining me.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
In between his conversations with other folks is Bill Petterson,
director of the Utah Shooting Sports Council, and hey, I
wanted to remind you folks that as some of the
as part of the clarifications of HB one thirty three
slash HB one twenty eight that I got morphed into
was landlords, Hey, do you lease your apartment or your
(30:58):
condo or something like that.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Have you looked at your lease agreement?
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Have you looked to see that so many of these
things have a clause in there that that actually say
you can't have a firearm in the common areas and
in your unit, in your in your actual unit.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
Does that Is that violating Utah state? Now, of course
it is.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
There was two or three places, but there were in
weird places in Utah code. So we we fix that,
and it's now very clearly delineated that a lesser or
a landlord cannot have that in their lease, can't have
it as a as a rule of policy or anything
like that not in there. It's one of the things
(31:45):
that did survive the transition, uh, in that bill. So
so you got that going for you, all right, we did.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
We did that.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
And oh so we were talking about the US House
and that kind of stuff. Speaking about the US House,
let me let me play a clip somebody explaining a
bump stock or no, someone was had a picture of
a braced firearm, a braced pistol, which is still a pistol,
and this is how he explained it, and so.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Or or not.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
Stabilized embrace which is depicted here.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
When attached here, it turns this weapon into an automatic weapon.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
This bumps, it becomes a bump stock.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
And so so a brace turns a turns a pistol
into an automatic weapon, and it becomes a bump stock.
Apparently those are the folks that are representing so scary
Clark And that was in a committee that was literally
in a committee. He had a big poster up of
(32:51):
a braced firearm and he anyway.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Well I remember someone bringing up your bump stocking committee.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
This last session was study was that stadia blue and yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Study that had to backpedal really quick on what he
was saying on his.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
Yeah anyway, sweet little hearts, So they right, you know,
we have we actually have.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Utah has had some good representatives though in our US house.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
In fact, I was going to throw it to you
on this one too.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
Yeah, this is a this is a this is a
sad one represented me a love passed away.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
This past week, and and she was awesome.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
She was, uh, the US representative, our first black female
representative from Utah and the time.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
And actually, not just to interrupt you, but I know
what you meant, but it's not just from Utah, in
the entire United States, the first black Republican woman.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Oh that's true, You're right, absolutely right. But the times
we got to hang out with her, Clark at the
gun shows. We've got some pictures of us and with
our whole board, with our board and everything, and and
I know I got to go shooting with her at
a fundraiser event that was actually held sponsored by Silencer Co.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
As she was running for this position. And yeah, she's
just a wonderful, wonderful lady, and she is going to
be truly missed, no doubt about it.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
So yeah, I know that she's going to be should
be lying in state in the Utah State Capital. I
believe it's in the rotunda starting Sunday the sixth, and
then I believe her funeral will be up at I
want to say it's going to be up at the
University of Utah or something like that, but I'm sure
(34:55):
you can find that online and find out, but I
think that's on Monday through that.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
So yeah, our our best thoughts go out to her family.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
I've met her family and and kids in that, and
our best thoughts go out to that passed away way
too soon of a an unforeseable brain.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
It was brains.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Yeah, brain. Yeah, so not good, not good. So she
she'll be missed now. In fact, I was going to
play another court. I have some other I have some
other bill. Do you mind if I play another.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Your house US house member? Uh explaining uh, explaining a
bill that she wrote about firearms, but she doesn't quite
understand the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
I'm not saying it was the best bill, but that
was the best bill particular time. I actually don't know
what a bar that goes up start.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
I didn't you love the report the interviewer, No, it's
not a barrel. Shroud is a thing, a shoulder thing
that goes up that's uh, that's classic and uh, and
then there's this one to have those.
Speaker 7 (36:16):
Now they're going to shoot them. And so if you
ban if you ban them in the future, the number
of these high capacity magazines is going to decrease dramatically
over time because the bullets will have been shot and
there won't be any more available.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
Bill. That hurts my brain too. What was she trying?
Speaker 1 (36:34):
She was trying to explain that a high capacity magazine
loaded with ammunition, once you use it, the ammunition and
the magazine will no longer be usable.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
I could see the ammunition.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Uh yeah, because that word sella It sounded just like
something Famala would have said.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
So Bill, Hey, thanks so much, Denny, thank you so much.
You know they're in uh In, iHeart Central and standing in.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Front of the rod Arquette Show, which the Roden greg Show.
Excuse me that you can listen to every day Monday
through Friday from four to seven. And so yeah, I
don't hear I'm not hearing the music, but I'm assuming
there's music playing.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
And there we go. Oh okay, go out. I know
it's a little rainy and cold out there. Take your
stainless steel weapons. See
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