February 26, 2025 • 38 mins
During this version of The Midway, Doug and the crew talk about the Matthew Stafford situation and something Chase Daniel said about it. Doug welcomes Boston Glove's NFL writer Ben Volin onto the show to talk about the latest from the NFL combine in Indianapolis. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through The Press.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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to last night, which is Luka Doncik and the Lakers
beat the Mavericks. And stop me. If you heard this
before Anthony Davis was out with an injury, You're like, no,
Anthony Davis hurt? No, that never happens, budd. He didn't
play against his former team, and so the you know,
Luke had a triple double, but by his own account,
(01:06):
didn't play great. Lebron James closed the game pretty well
and the Lakers end up with a big win. So
that look, that's that's probably the main topic. But it
is a regular season game, and Anthony Davis didn't play,
and everybody's kind of had their their run at it,
if you will, at discussing it. So what we do
every day at this time, every week, at this time
(01:26):
is it's the middle of the show, the middle of
the week, the middle of the day. We get to
the midway.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
He's not getting the middle It's time for.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
The midway, Jay stew what's our midway topic?
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Thank you, Doug. I'll take it from here. So I
saw this on a podcast. Diana Russini does a podcast
for The Athletic and she has a former NFL backup quarterback,
Chase Daniel, as a co host, and I was frankly
alarmed by what he said. And I just want to
(02:07):
see if you, if you three had the same reaction
I did, So for our listeners, this is Chase Daniel
and Diana Russini on a podcast for the Athletic.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Matthew goes out, sees that there's no market for him
at the price he wants, and the Rams say, all right,
we'll bring it back for forty million, Like, don't you
think that's a fairty.
Speaker 5 (02:28):
No, what Diana your too much front office speak. Forty
million is a travesty?
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Are you?
Speaker 5 (02:37):
If he gets forty million, I would, at this point,
to be completely honest with you, from a player's perspective,
I would retire. He's already I think number one or
number two in the most career earnings in NFL history.
This contract would easily put him at number one. If
you're offering forty million, at some point you got to
be like, hold up, Trevor Lawrence is making fifty three
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three two is making that much money? Dak's making sixty
million dollars. I am ten times.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Better than these.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
I'm a dog, I'm a warrior, like knuckle like. It
just depends on you know. I would just feel so disrespective.
I was Stafford if they if they offer me a
forty million dollar deal.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
So when I heard this, I thought about Dan Byer
and my dinner at Ruth Chris and New Orleans during
the week of the Super Bowl, and I thought about
Chase Daniel being with a bunch of like current quarterbacks,
oh and racking up a three thousand dollars dinner tab.
And this is what you would say, to other quarterbacks
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or other players forty million as a travesty, you should
just retire. But if you're if you want to do
analyst work and you want to be a podcaster slash broadcaster,
I don't know if something like this could be a
worse thing to say, because no one that you're podcasting
too can relate to any of that. I was my
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sensibilities were offended. I want to get your guys's thoughts.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
I mean, that's the worst sounding audio I've ever heard. No, wait, wait,
so and again. Not only is there as it's not
just to disconnect with fans, it's a disconnect with anybody
who understands business. Here's what I mean. Okay, what are
you worth? What are you worth? Jay Stu? What are
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you worth? How much is each person worth at their
place of work?
Speaker 3 (04:32):
I would say I'm worth that we'ves one hundred and
seventy five thousand dollars a year.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
You're worth as much as someone will pay you. You're
worth what I thought you were being literal.
Speaker 6 (04:42):
Okay, yeah, I am.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Being literal and literally, you're worth what someone.
Speaker 6 (04:46):
Will pay you, Jason to for a raise.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
They are Yeah, I mean like it's the I've used
this analogy before, but it's like, I used to have
a beautiful piano and it was a grand piano, and
I bought it from an older couple that had had
a store on what's that street in Boston and everybody
(05:10):
shops on It's really cool. I'll think of it anyway,
Boilston Street. Yeah, they had a shop on Bolston Street.
And the older gentleman was like, son, this piano is
worth eleven thousand dollars. I just had it assessed. It's
worth eleven thousand dollars. And I said, sir, I don't
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know you, but you just had listed on an online
auction and the reserve was twenty five hundred dollars and
no one bid on it, and no one bid on it,
so it can theoretically be worth whatever number you want,
but it's actually worth what someone will pay you. I
use that analogy for Matt Stafford. If Matt Stafford was
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worth more than forty million dollars, he would get an
offer for more than forty million dollars for somebody else,
but he's not. So in addition to being completely lost
in terms of how it sounds, completely lost and how
it sounds and how it lands on your regular American
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citizen football fan, forty million dollars, I would retire. That's
the actual sound from Chase Daniel.
Speaker 7 (06:20):
I am outrating.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
I am an outrage. I can't believe it. How dare
you offer me forty million dollars to live in Los
Angeles and play? Oh?
Speaker 6 (06:30):
I could BUYE maybe hey, my bills or put food
on the table.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
And remember, if you played for Sean McVay, you aren't
playing preseason and the second game in the in the
ragulou saying doesn't matter? Is that that's out too. How
dare you pay me that money when we've already established
there is no market for you. If there was a
market for you, then that deal would be made elsewhere.
It sounds out of touch, obtuse, and frankly, it sounds
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like somebody who doesn't understand the most basic premise of business,
which is you are worth what someone's willing to pay you.
Speaker 8 (07:02):
But I would also say, Doug taking out the extraordinary
number in this, I believe a bit of what Chase
Daniel is saying is also of what you are saying
in that conversation, because when Chase Daniel explains that Matthew
Stafford has the most money, and all of that's fine.
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We're fixated on the forty million dollars. It's just the
fact of at this point, that person with the piano
could be like, all right, I'm not going to sell it. Yeah,
I'm not gonna just not gonna sell it. I'm not
going to go that way. And that's where Stafford could
be like, well, I'm not going to play. Then it's
just you know, that's it's my choice. I'm not There's
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no way I'd rather just take a complete loss on
it whatsoever and hold on to it than to actually
play for the forty million dollars. Jase Do, Derek Carr,
and Aaron Rodgers had thirty seven and a half million
dollar annual salaries most recently. Then you get down to
Geno Smith at twenty five million. But pretty much everybody
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is looking down on Matthew Stafford's forty that isn't fully
established in the league or on a rookie deal.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Yeah, listen, I get it. But again, if if somebody
wants Matthew Stafford for upwards of forty million dollars, there's
a deal to be made there. And if there's not
a deal we made because he doesn't want to move. Well,
then again that you're limiting yourself. And if there was
you know, fifty million dollars out there and he can
find that offer, well, by all means, the Raiders won't
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payhim fifty million dollars. The Rams will go here, you
go go ahead.
Speaker 8 (08:40):
The interesting part about this is I think that there
are teams that will pay him fifty million dollars.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
It's just what they are, teams that he'll go to.
Speaker 8 (08:46):
Yeah, and what do the Rams want in return for it?
Like does the value match? And that's what's a little tricky.
I thought initially, Doug that when this conversation was thrown out,
that the Rams are just like, maybe we'll just get
a great offer.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
I said.
Speaker 8 (09:01):
I used the example of you're not really looking to move,
but if someone's going to give you enough money to
make you move, you'll do it. So let's just put
the house up for sale and see what we get.
That's what I kind of thought the Rams were doing.
Now as we found out more about the situation, it's
more complex and deeper than that. But I think that
there would be teams if you're the Raiders or the
Giants or any of those teams, you know, fifty million dollars.
(09:23):
I don't want to say it's cheap, but yeah, considering
the quarterback problems that those teams have had the last
couple of years, I don't think they'll have a problem
doing it.
Speaker 6 (09:31):
It's what do you give up with the Ram?
Speaker 8 (09:33):
Give up to the Rams now to be able to
do that sort of deal. I know it's kind of
strength from this.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
There's a buyer beware element to it in that, you know,
McVeigh move mountains to get him, won a Super Bowl
with him, and now mcveigh's allowing him to walk out
the door. You're like, what do we not.
Speaker 8 (09:53):
Yeah, one hundred percent agree with that.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Do not know and my guest can only be and
what you don't know, or what we assume, is that
Matt Stafford is going to retire at the end every
year he threatens to retire and he doesn't want to
get hit, right, remembered any of the spine thing at
the end of last season. And his wife is always
hinted at him retiring. And so we talked about this
(10:16):
with Aaron Rodgers. No one likes to get hit as
a quarterback, but the older guys no desire to step
in and get hit, and that's what the position requires
if you want to win the whole thing. And so,
whether it's the guts to take a hit or the
desire to do so, the need for a multi year contract,
the fact that he's one hard hit away from shutting
it down retiring. I don't think it's an arm strength
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or an ability issue, especially if he's still playing in
a dome like he'd be in Vegas. But my guess
is that part of what limits his viability elsewhere is
Wait a second, Sean McVay loved you, jettisoned a good
quarterback to Detroit to get you, and now we're supposed
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to take you on when you've talked of retiring the
last two off seasons. What are we missing here? What
do we miss here?
Speaker 8 (11:07):
I think everybody's got a breaking point at some point
where if something happened in a place of employment that
you would say like, okay, well that that's the straw
that broke the camel's back, or in a situation of hey,
you know then and then I wouldn't be able to
work there anymore. And I think that's to the point
of this whole sound bite is apparently the straw is
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forty million dollars, which is unrelatable to so many. But
what I think is relatable is Matthew Stafford not feeling
respected at work. He just has the ability to walk
away from it, where most people in their normal lives
don't have that opportunity.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
It's a great point.
Speaker 6 (11:49):
I better be a nice straw for forty million.
Speaker 5 (11:52):
Forty million is a travestyon midw It sounds.
Speaker 6 (11:58):
Is that Jason is that kind of the essence of
this Well no.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
No, I mean there are several layers and that's what
the Midway is all about.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Here.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
You you give your first reaction to hearing that. My
first reaction was from like someone like who's had a
career in uh, you know, talent and broadcasting. If I
was to give Chase Daniel media training, I'm like, I
would say, you can't say that out loud. In other words,
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everyone loves, you know, a guy just to say what's
on his mind and be honest. But if you want
to be a successful broadcaster slash podcaster, you need to
keep those words in that conversation among other rich guys
that played the game. And it's not really a good
thing to just say out loud. I took zero offense
to it. I was not bothered in the least. It's
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a it's a it's a world that I am unfamiliar with.
Speaker 6 (12:53):
But yeah, you're used to discussing salaries in that range.
Speaker 8 (12:57):
I just like, yeah, maybe it's not like real money
to me, it's more of like a ranking.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
I just think it was the tone so tone deaf.
Speaker 6 (13:09):
He was trying to be entertaining and with his delivery
dynamic and yeah, that's what Chase Daniel's trying to do
post NFL. But listen for someone. I remember I did
a show with a former NBA player a long time
ago here Fox Sports Radio. And there comes a time
where like you have no this.
Speaker 8 (13:26):
Was Salmon Kareem, right, this was the Salmon Kareem Show
here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 6 (13:30):
Yeah sure, yeah, sure no. I mean, like I was
running the board for this show. But I had a
conversation with this former player and he made good money
in the NBA, but nothing, you know, nothing like you know,
some of the top stars are paid now. But he
said that like you become you start getting millions of
dollars in payment and you change you you go from like, oh,
(13:52):
I made seventy million and you could have made another
fifteen and he's like, and I'm like, that's you already
made seventy million dollars. You're you're better off than ninety
nine percent of people in this country or ninety five percent.
And he's like, oh, okay, whatever it is, whatever the status.
If you have seventy million dollars, you're better off than
a lot of people, a lot of millions and millions
and people tens of millions. But his point was that
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he's like his he's like, you always want more, and
to me, that struck me, but it also didn't resonate,
Like I couldn't relate to it because I was like,
one million dollars would change my life forever.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
And it's like people's perspective is what you're saying.
Speaker 6 (14:28):
They do they become out of touch. And so when
you're like agast at forty million, there's there's a there's
a divide between this country between the working class and
the ultra rich, and it's never been on display more
than right now.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
I'll give you an example. Okay, so I'm actually broadcast
today from a good friend of mine, Kirk boss's company.
It's called Merrill Luckx. It's it's in Green Bay, right,
so as I don't know if I told you guys.
Did I tell you guys that my car got hit
by a snowplow?
Speaker 3 (14:54):
No?
Speaker 6 (14:54):
Was was this during the Oh no? This was this
was in Wisconsin.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Yeah, this is like two weeks like a week in
good Was this your crab walker? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (15:02):
Yeah, it's not walking crabs anymore.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
It's it is well, it's in that it's silver bergs
from it's getting so anyway, yeah, yeah, so I'm so
I I have a I had like, look, it'll sound
when when people know I have a hummer ev like,
oh whatever, I bought a demo, okay, got a deal
in a demo and my previous car which burned up
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in the fires.
Speaker 6 (15:28):
I don't fraight it also get hit by a snowplow.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
But they were trying to right by the fires. It
was literally yeah, yes, actually it.
Speaker 6 (15:34):
Didn't get a bulldoze. It wasn't snowplowter was bulldozed the
full dose.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
So anyway, but so like yeah, two weeks ago, actually
the visiting bus from northern Kentucky banged into a car
that banged into mind. We have video of it. And
then the next day I'm at practice and I pull
out a practice and the snowplow is like parked in
the in the lane and I'm like twenty yards behind it,
and I'm trying to figure out where it's going, and
then he just puts in reverse in jams back to me,
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didn't see me at all, and screws of my car. Well,
those cars, apparently the parts are kind of rare. It's
gonna be a while, right, And so they they gave
me the keys to a brand new Escalade, but the
Escalade Electric one. It's literally the nicest car I've ever
driven in my life. But I told the guys, like,
(16:22):
I can't drive this anywhere in Green Bay. They're like,
why not? It's just essiated, like it's one hundred and
fifty thousand dollars car. I can't drive this anywhere, Like
there's no relatability at all. So I pull up and
you know, everyone will will think you're something that you're.
Speaker 6 (16:38):
Not, but you're your Your hummer is much cheaper, much cheaper,
much cheaper much because I would have thought that fancy
crabwalking hummer would be uh up there as well, mean.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
There's there's there's deals on them. Like I said, it
was a demo, it was a lot less. My hummer
was basically the price of brand new trucks are really expensive.
Speaker 6 (17:00):
Now.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
I don't know if you guys know they are basically
fifty no, no, no, what's not much. It was not
in the six figure variety.
Speaker 6 (17:06):
No, I'm saying, but like f one fifties are like
I don't know, yeh, seventy five.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Seventy or eighty thousand dollars. Yes, that's how much a
brand new, big old truck is. And so when I
was weighing the two, I was like, I don't know,
I like this one and it's the same. I'm gonna
get this anyway. Point is like, you got to have
a relatability. And I understand Chase Daniels was in the
NFL for a long time and those numbers don't and
the numbers are what they are, But it was the
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way in which it landed where you're like, what play
that for me one more time? Sam, forty million is
a travesty.
Speaker 9 (17:42):
The point me is a travesty is a he's stuck
in the context of yeah, what Dan was talking about,
like the ranking of salaries, and a lot of people
can't relate to it.
Speaker 6 (17:53):
But it's just like this mythical kind of money figure
in your mind.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
And so I get what he like when he said
the Trevor Lawrence. And again part of it is we're
not actually no, everybody's. The NFL players are so dishonest
with these salaries, right, because whatever their salary is, most
of it is signing bonus upfront, right, and then their
actual salary is pretty minimal, and then the back end
they never actually get, so all the money they got
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in the first year, like in the first three months
of the contract, and then they bury the money so
that it doesn't hurt the cap all that much. And
so if he said, hey, he should make more than
Trevor Lawrence, he should make more. But to do the
forty million dollars is a travesty when he just said
there was no market for him, just sounds like somebody
who doesn't understand the basic prevacy of business, which, as
(18:38):
I said, is you're worth what somebody's willing to pay you.
Whatever they pay Trevor Lawrence doesn't matter. It's what they're
willing to pay pay you. And that's the Midway The Midway. Yeah,
I got hit by a snowplow and I didn't get
hit by I was in the car, but it was
one of those like what is this guy doing?
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Speaker 8 (19:12):
They say you don't know someone until you sit next
to him and eat Gust's fried chicken in New Orleans.
That would be the case with our next guest during
Super Bowl Week. Yeah, Ben Volan, I sitting at the
counter enjoying delicious fried chicken on a Saturday night in Nola.
Speaker 6 (19:26):
That's what happened.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
We missed you, Dan, a wide or dark meat?
Speaker 8 (19:31):
I both, yes, thigh leg, got a breast wing. I
even threw in a tender, But I think Volan was
all tenders. He'd have to correct me on that.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Wow, that's a man after your own heart there, Dan.
It's like all of a sudden, you're like, oh my god,
all tenders. Benvolan joining US Boston Globe covers the entire
Nation Football League? Are you an all tenders guy? Like
you turned down a chicken thigh. I love a chicken thigh.
Speaker 7 (19:54):
I just just know that night I was I was
mostly tenders. I got a wing on the side. Okay,
the sample some of Gus's various, But you know, it
was my first trip to New Orleans in probably eight
or ten years. You can't go fifty feet without hitting
a chicken tender shop or like a hot chicken plate.
And man, I was just craving it all week. And
(20:15):
you sit down at the counter at the super Bowl
and you never know who you're going to sit next to.
Sure Enough I get to sit next to the wonderful producer,
an update guy for the Doug Gottleep Show. So what
a night in New Orleans.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
I don't know how to break this to you, Bend,
but he's not a producer, he's he's a he's a host.
And Ben Bullet John is here. Chicken. It's all good,
but we're eating chicken. Let let's let's get back to
the I.
Speaker 7 (20:42):
Said update hosts, right, I got part of it.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Right that there you go. I'm we're teaching, okay, Matt Stafford.
We played for we played for people to sound. We
played for people to sound of Chase Daniel, Sam, could
you play that for me again? That this this line
really got people? It gets me at least. Yeah, where
he talked about the idea of being offered forty million
(21:05):
dollars and basically being offended for matt Stafford, right, and look,
this was him on Diana Rossini's podcast.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
Matthew goes out, sees that there's no market for him
at the price he wants, and the Rams say, all right,
we'll bring it back for forty million. Don't you think
that's a fairty?
Speaker 5 (21:25):
No, what, Diana, You're too much front office speak. Forty
million is a travesty?
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Are you?
Speaker 5 (21:34):
If he gets forty million, I would at this point,
to be completely honest with you, from a player's perspective,
I would retire.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
I would retire what happens with Stafford.
Speaker 7 (21:46):
It's wild that it's gotten to this point, Doug, because
I think you look at this situation objectively. Why would
Matthew Stafford want to leave a golden situation that he's
got with the Rams, where he's got a team that's
on the verge of being I think a top contender. Again,
they took the Eagles, you know, push them as much
as any team this year. He's got a tremendous connection
(22:08):
with Puka Nakua, the best coach, and Sean McVay. He
plays indoors, he plays in the NFC West.
Speaker 8 (22:15):
You know, nice.
Speaker 7 (22:16):
Controlled environment games. Why would you want to leave any
of that? And so it's you know, it's become pretty clear,
like Sean McVay came out on that Andrew Whitworth and
Ryan Fitzpatrick podcast and said, we want Matthew back, absolutely,
but it made it very clear that you know, only
at their price. And Matthew Stafford, there's no question he's
(22:38):
underpaid by a lot, I mean twenty seven million next
year when Dak Prescott is making sixty. Matthew Stafford does
make a good case that he deserves to be paid
a lot more. But like at his age and with
his situation, it's shocking to me that he's apparently willing
to push it that much for the money, that he's
willing to join a lousy Raiders organization or maybe the giants,
(23:01):
like two teams who are nowhere close to being contenders,
just because Matthew Stafford, who's already made I believe, over
three hundred and sixty million dollars in career earnings, you know,
wants to be paid at the top of the market.
I get that we all want to be paid what
we're worth, but I'm just it's shocking to me that
Matthew Stafford, at this age of his career appears to
be prioritizing getting paid the most as opposed to the
(23:24):
best situation for him to win more titles, which I
think is clearly with the Rams. So we'll see if
he follows through with any of this, but it appears
to be very serious. If he's meeting with Tom Brady
and his you know, the Giants are meeting with his
people here at the Combine in Indianapolis, Matthew Stafford is
very serious apparently about trying to get his market value,
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and it's probably not going to be with the Rams.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Stug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports trists, if you
have to bet, where would it be?
Speaker 7 (23:55):
You know, probably Vegas, just because it's you know, the
Tom Brady. It's kind of like when John Elway was
able to pull Peyton Manning to the Broncos. I just
think Tom Brady is kind of like the ultimate recruiter
for someone like Stafford, and you can still it's indoor games,
it's the AFC West. You know, not too many bad
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weather games out there, so you know, Vegas to me
would make more sense than the Giants, which why would
you want to join that situation, especially having to be
an outdoor East Coast bad weather quarterback, which Stafford his
entire career has been a dome quarterback, so I would
not want to The Giants would not be the situation,
especially with the state of that roster. You know, the
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narrators aren't much better, but you've got rock Bowers there,
You've got some pieces at least in Vegas, so that
would probably be my guess. And Stafford's the big lynchpin
because you know, if once he goes, that's you know,
Sam Darnold can start slotting himself into place, and then
Kirk Cousins can probably find a home. So everyone's kind
of waiting on Stafford, and if he leaves, then all
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of a sudden, the Rams that becomes a plumb opening
and maybe Sam Darnold heads to the Rams and that's
that's their answer for the next two or three years.
So this Stafford thing is really kind of the lynch
pin of the entire offseason and everyone's waiting to see
what move he's going to make.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Stug Gottlieb Show Here on Fox Sports Radio, Ben Volin's
at the at the at the combine. Of course, he
joins us weekly here on the Doug Gottlieb Show. He
covers the entire NFL for the Boston Globe. Okay, help
me out with the Bengals, right they're supposedly trying to
re up everybody does it all work?
Speaker 7 (25:41):
It would be out of their character for the Bengals
to bring everyone back. I mean it would take probably
some savvy maneuvering and a lot of money going out
to Jamar Chase, t Higgins, and Trey Hendrickson. Those are
three of the top players in the NFL right now. Chase,
you have to keep especially, you know, after winning the
(26:02):
Triple Crown, and they probably, you know, for whatever reason,
they weren't able to come to an agreement last training
camp and it set the team back. You know, they
started one and four and missed out on the playoffs
by a single game. So I think they'd be smart
to get Chase taken care of right away. Not only
to the best receiver, but he's Joe Burrow's guy. Got
(26:24):
to keep Joe Burrow happy. Te Higgins is the interesting one.
It seems like they're the Bengals might use the franchise
tag on him, which I don't think Higgins would be
thrilled about. Maybe you know that spurs a team like
the Patriots to come up with a trade offer and
offer a third round pick and see if they can
get t. Higgins. But and then the I mean Trey
(26:46):
Hendrickson was arguably, you know, could have been Defensive Player
of the Year this past year, and he's the key
to their whole pass rush. So the Bengals, I mean, man,
they were playing like one of the best teams in
the league down the stretch, and you know, the team
that no one wanted to face that they made the playoffs.
It'd be it'd be tough for that franchise if they
had to dismantle their core. But man, that that's a
(27:07):
lot of money coming out and a lot of savvy
moves having to be made, which the Bengals have never
exactly been known to make before.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Stug got Libs show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay,
help me out with the QB market. Okay, you have
a varying levels of discarded discarded starters from other teams. Right,
you got Sam Darnold, You got Kirk Cousins, who's we
were told yesterday is going to be a backup with Atlanta,
but that feels like wait till somebody gets hurt. You
got Russell Wilson, what's what's the backup? The well the
(27:39):
former starter looking to be a starter, potential backup market
looking like for those guys.
Speaker 7 (27:44):
Yeah, it's like gonna be another game of musical chairs.
And and the Raiders are really, you know, much like
Stafford is with full Lynchpin. It feels like the Raiders
are really the team that's getting aggressive, uh this offseason.
And if it's not, if it's not Stafford, then you know,
they feel like the team that's going to make the
big play for Sam Donald. Donald did cost himself probably
(28:05):
a lot of money in those last two starts of
the season where unfortunately everything for him fell apart in
Week eighteen and then in the playoffs. But he's still
going to get I think a solid two to three
year deal. Probably not with the Vikings. I think they're
ready to move on to JJ McCarthy if they have to.
But I could see something similar to what Baker Mayfield
got like three years, one hundred million. That to me
(28:28):
is very much in Sam Donald's you know range, And
if the Raiders aren't able to land Matthew Stafford, I think,
you know that's Sam Donald is going to be probably
at the top of their list. And then you know,
Kirk Cousins is a really intriguing guy. This year. Last
year was tough on him and he got benched by
(28:48):
the Falcons, and all this talk about them keeping Kirk Cousins,
I just think they're trying to drum up any sort
of trademarket for him, and I think they're trying to
get him to renegotia some of the twenty seven million
that they owe him, and by saying that, oh, well,
we're going to keep you as the backup, but if
you want to be a starter somewhere, you know, we'll.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Let you go.
Speaker 7 (29:08):
But you've got to agree to this to some less
money here. So I think there's a little bit of
a negotiation going on. But he's gonna be like this
year's Russell Wilton, who Russell Wilson was getting paid by
the Broncos last year thirty eight million dollars, And so
the Steelers could just pay him a million dollars and
it made him a very valuable quarterback. Kirk Cousin is
going to be probably a similar situation this year, which
(29:28):
I think makes him a very intriguing candidate for a
team like the Browns, who definitely need a cheap quarterback
because they're gonna be paying Deshaun Watson forty six millions
probably not to play football for them this fall. So
Cousins would be someone who, you know, in a vacuum,
might have a tough time getting a starting job this year.
But because he's going to be so cheap, probably just
a million dollars with the Falcons picking up, you know,
(29:50):
the most of the freight, Cousins could be a good
low cost option for a team like the Jets, four team,
maybe the Giants, you know, the brown that are just
looking for like a cheap stopgap quarterback.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Stug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports. Ready want one
last one? Ben? What's the name? General? What's the name
generating the most buzz at the combine regards to the draft?
Speaker 7 (30:13):
Well, you know, it's been slow so far, where you've
just gotten the big defensive lineman today, but duel Carter went,
and I'll tell you what, man, this kid, not only
is he a beast on the field, and he's getting
you know, like training tips and tips from Michael Parsons,
which you know, I think it's scary for the league,
but a duel. Carter came across as very polished, very
(30:34):
well prepared, and interview really well, really wants to be
the number one pick, and I think he's going to
give the Titans and a lot of teams at the
top of the draft something to think about. You know,
I know, quarterbacks and offense you know, generally go at
the top, but Abdall Carter looks department and he's whoever
he goes, you know, wherever he goes, he's going to
(30:55):
make some team really happy, it seems like. And I
think the Patriots at number four are pre saying that
he's somehow falls to them. But Abdul Carter looks like
the real deal, and you can tell he's going to
interview very well and just come across really well in
this pre draft process.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Awesome stuff. Ben bollin Boston Globe and he has broken
bread or actually broken chicken with breading on it. With
our own Dan Byer Ben, thanks so much for joining
us and Joy Andy all right, thanks Doug Gottlieb Show
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by not? Next?
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Speaker 1 (31:51):
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Uh Jay Stu.
This song came on and all of a sudden, like
you ears perked up.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Why oh no, it's not about the return butup, it's
about what you said going out of the last last segment.
So Ben Violin was nice enough to give us ten
to fifteen minutes of his time from the Combine today,
he took time to join the show. I'm all about
guest experience. It's my history. And guest booking. I want
(32:21):
our guests to have a good time. I want him
to say yes the next time we ask him. So
we go back to the beginning of his interview and
Dan Bayer coming out of his update and says, hey, Ben,
you know we had dinner together, you know, And then
all of a sudden it gets into one of those
things where Ben is compelled to on live radio try
to remember the name of the person he had dinner with.
(32:43):
He obviously didn't, and then he said update, anchor and
producer of the Doug Gottlieb Show, and neither of those
are wrong. Dan is a producer at heart, maybe not
by title. Dan thinks like a producer. I know it
was not worth correcting the ghust.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Do you really think this is an issue? Had been
moving forward?
Speaker 3 (33:05):
No, I just wanted him to have a good experience.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
That's all I met me had a good experience.
Speaker 8 (33:09):
But I mean, go ahead, Dan, I should I should
have just laid out and let it be. We randomly
sat next to each other at the same counter, and
then you know, we talked for about ten or fifteen
minutes and that was it.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
It is weird when you're radio friends and you've never
met in real life, but you've talked on radio.
Speaker 8 (33:26):
And I think I've filled in, you know, for you
when we've had him on. So that's another point of
where if I felt like we've spoken before, I'll say something.
And so that's why I did in that scenario. And
I had a good conversation. But yeah, I didn't expect
him to remember, you know, my name. But at least
he remembered the conversation and the meal. So I'll take that.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
I thought I was gonna say say. I thought I
thought Dan would say, say my name.
Speaker 6 (33:53):
Say that's all right, It's all good.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Let's just say my name. There you go, depressed by
the way your tweet about kim Olaijauwan, I've been corrected.
Kim o Elijah wore etonics Etonics Etonics. That was the
name of Sneakers, not to be confused with Is it
the Pentatonics? Is that the famous a cappella anthic? Yes?
Speaker 6 (34:16):
Yes, Jason, So that's his favorite group.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
Right, oh, one of his favorites. Who loves it?
Speaker 6 (34:21):
All right, Doug.
Speaker 8 (34:22):
Before we get to the NFL news, did you hear
what Paul George had to say today? I did not
this is what he had to say about his podcast
going forward.
Speaker 10 (34:29):
Fellas. It's no secret this season is up to this point, man,
it hasn't been what we envision. I know my goal
when I first signed with Philadelphia was to bring a
championship to these amazing fans here. I still remain positive
about that and that is still the case and where
I'm coming from. With that being said, though, I want
to let the podcast Pee family know that after today's
(34:52):
episode with DWIGHTE, I plan to take a break from
the pod just to focus on getting my body right,
getting mentally right, and you know, the squad make a
push towards our goal to finish the season. I'll give
ourselves a chance to be in contentions to compete for
a championship.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
The mob is one the pay more attention dr Like, dude,
how long does a podcast taking? A podcast taping take?
How many days a week does he do it? You know? Now, look,
Paul's different than me. I think he has a young family, right,
So maybe it's like, hey, I'm just taking away from
(35:31):
my family time. I don't know. But my example is
I was up at five thirty this morning. I got
a whole bunch of work done. I fell asleep at
the end of that Laker Maverick game last night. We
had practice today at film eight forty five to nine,
(35:51):
practice nine and we were done. We were done by
about ten twenty. Then we watched film on about twenty
recruits that were we're trying to place in order of
who we want based upon spots we have, whatever, and
then head over here to do the radio show. So yeah,
(36:11):
I just I don't know the mob is won, like
somehow that's going to improve and whatever.
Speaker 6 (36:20):
PG. Thirteen, Yeah, saying bye bye to the pod.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Yeah, what else yet?
Speaker 8 (36:26):
NFL will be using an electronic measuring system so they
can measure first down starting in twenty twenty five. This
was experimented with in twenty twenty four in the preseason,
but now instead of running the chain gang out there,
they'll be able to measure electronically whether the football is
spotted to reach the line to gain. The chains will
(36:46):
still be on the field, but they'll be used as
a backup.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
If the system changer on the field is our backup.
Speaker 6 (36:53):
That will be the backup.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
Yes, then what's the point of having it?
Speaker 8 (36:57):
I guess maybe a visual as well for the players
to see.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
That makes sense as there. Uh so, just like that
they changed it.
Speaker 8 (37:06):
They experimented with last year, but they didn't have technology
in all the stadiums to do it, and so now
the NFL network is saying that they're going to be
doing it in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
I do wonder, you know, the one thing that we
can all relate to as sports fans, even in the
most technically sound stadiums like so Fi, Wi Fi in
those stadiums is always really, really hard. I do wonder
if this new technology, you'll be like, oh man, now
my WiFi never works, can't text anybody, Nobody knows I exist.
When I'm in a football game.
Speaker 8 (37:32):
It's going to bring the drama of the abs that
I mentioned yesterday, and also of the cyclops with Tennis
will be able to see if it's a first down
or not. Saints GM Mickey loomis saying today that Derek
Carr will be their QB one starting in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
So they gonna be bad.
Speaker 6 (37:48):
And that's the.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Press they get out there and pressed.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
That was the press.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
I just not a big Derek Carr guy. Gets hurt
a lot as well. I don't know.
Speaker 6 (37:59):
I say they tank for arch Manning. That's what I
think the plan is.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
That's not crazy, not crazy, and it's been mentioned by others.
All right, for my esteem producer Dan Byer and Jason Stewart,
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to last night, which is Luka Doncik and the Lakers
beat the Mavericks. And stop me. If you heard this
before Anthony Davis was out with an injury, You're like, no,
Anthony Davis hurt? No, that never happens, budd. He didn't
play against his former team, and so the you know,
Luke had a triple double, but by his own account,
(01:06):
didn't play great. Lebron James closed the game pretty well
and the Lakers end up with a big win. So
that look, that's that's probably the main topic. But it
is a regular season game, and Anthony Davis didn't play,
and everybody's kind of had their their run at it,
if you will, at discussing it. So what we do
every day at this time, every week, at this time
(01:26):
is it's the middle of the show, the middle of
the week, the middle of the day. We get to
the midway.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
He's not getting the middle It's time for.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
The midway, Jay stew what's our midway topic?
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Thank you, Doug. I'll take it from here. So I
saw this on a podcast. Diana Russini does a podcast
for The Athletic and she has a former NFL backup quarterback,
Chase Daniel, as a co host, and I was frankly
alarmed by what he said. And I just want to
(02:07):
see if you, if you three had the same reaction
I did, So for our listeners, this is Chase Daniel
and Diana Russini on a podcast for the Athletic.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Matthew goes out, sees that there's no market for him
at the price he wants, and the Rams say, all right,
we'll bring it back for forty million, Like, don't you
think that's a fairty.
Speaker 5 (02:28):
No, what Diana your too much front office speak. Forty
million is a travesty?
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Are you?
Speaker 5 (02:37):
If he gets forty million, I would, at this point,
to be completely honest with you, from a player's perspective,
I would retire. He's already I think number one or
number two in the most career earnings in NFL history.
This contract would easily put him at number one. If
you're offering forty million, at some point you got to
be like, hold up, Trevor Lawrence is making fifty three
(03:00):
three two is making that much money? Dak's making sixty
million dollars. I am ten times.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Better than these.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
I'm a dog, I'm a warrior, like knuckle like. It
just depends on you know. I would just feel so disrespective.
I was Stafford if they if they offer me a
forty million dollar deal.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
So when I heard this, I thought about Dan Byer
and my dinner at Ruth Chris and New Orleans during
the week of the Super Bowl, and I thought about
Chase Daniel being with a bunch of like current quarterbacks,
oh and racking up a three thousand dollars dinner tab.
And this is what you would say, to other quarterbacks
(03:38):
or other players forty million as a travesty, you should
just retire. But if you're if you want to do
analyst work and you want to be a podcaster slash broadcaster,
I don't know if something like this could be a
worse thing to say, because no one that you're podcasting
too can relate to any of that. I was my
(04:01):
sensibilities were offended. I want to get your guys's thoughts.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
I mean, that's the worst sounding audio I've ever heard. No, wait, wait,
so and again. Not only is there as it's not
just to disconnect with fans, it's a disconnect with anybody
who understands business. Here's what I mean. Okay, what are
you worth? What are you worth? Jay Stu? What are
(04:28):
you worth? How much is each person worth at their
place of work?
Speaker 3 (04:32):
I would say I'm worth that we'ves one hundred and
seventy five thousand dollars a year.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
You're worth as much as someone will pay you. You're
worth what I thought you were being literal.
Speaker 6 (04:42):
Okay, yeah, I am.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Being literal and literally, you're worth what someone.
Speaker 6 (04:46):
Will pay you, Jason to for a raise.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
They are Yeah, I mean like it's the I've used
this analogy before, but it's like, I used to have
a beautiful piano and it was a grand piano, and
I bought it from an older couple that had had
a store on what's that street in Boston and everybody
(05:10):
shops on It's really cool. I'll think of it anyway,
Boilston Street. Yeah, they had a shop on Bolston Street.
And the older gentleman was like, son, this piano is
worth eleven thousand dollars. I just had it assessed. It's
worth eleven thousand dollars. And I said, sir, I don't
(05:31):
know you, but you just had listed on an online
auction and the reserve was twenty five hundred dollars and
no one bid on it, and no one bid on it,
so it can theoretically be worth whatever number you want,
but it's actually worth what someone will pay you. I
use that analogy for Matt Stafford. If Matt Stafford was
(05:53):
worth more than forty million dollars, he would get an
offer for more than forty million dollars for somebody else,
but he's not. So in addition to being completely lost
in terms of how it sounds, completely lost and how
it sounds and how it lands on your regular American
(06:14):
citizen football fan, forty million dollars, I would retire. That's
the actual sound from Chase Daniel.
Speaker 7 (06:20):
I am outrating.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
I am an outrage. I can't believe it. How dare
you offer me forty million dollars to live in Los
Angeles and play? Oh?
Speaker 6 (06:30):
I could BUYE maybe hey, my bills or put food
on the table.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
And remember, if you played for Sean McVay, you aren't
playing preseason and the second game in the in the
ragulou saying doesn't matter? Is that that's out too. How
dare you pay me that money when we've already established
there is no market for you. If there was a
market for you, then that deal would be made elsewhere.
It sounds out of touch, obtuse, and frankly, it sounds
(06:56):
like somebody who doesn't understand the most basic premise of business,
which is you are worth what someone's willing to pay you.
Speaker 8 (07:02):
But I would also say, Doug taking out the extraordinary
number in this, I believe a bit of what Chase
Daniel is saying is also of what you are saying
in that conversation, because when Chase Daniel explains that Matthew
Stafford has the most money, and all of that's fine.
(07:23):
We're fixated on the forty million dollars. It's just the
fact of at this point, that person with the piano
could be like, all right, I'm not going to sell it. Yeah,
I'm not gonna just not gonna sell it. I'm not
going to go that way. And that's where Stafford could
be like, well, I'm not going to play. Then it's
just you know, that's it's my choice. I'm not There's
(07:44):
no way I'd rather just take a complete loss on
it whatsoever and hold on to it than to actually
play for the forty million dollars. Jase Do, Derek Carr,
and Aaron Rodgers had thirty seven and a half million
dollar annual salaries most recently. Then you get down to
Geno Smith at twenty five million. But pretty much everybody
(08:07):
is looking down on Matthew Stafford's forty that isn't fully
established in the league or on a rookie deal.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Yeah, listen, I get it. But again, if if somebody
wants Matthew Stafford for upwards of forty million dollars, there's
a deal to be made there. And if there's not
a deal we made because he doesn't want to move. Well,
then again that you're limiting yourself. And if there was
you know, fifty million dollars out there and he can
find that offer, well, by all means, the Raiders won't
(08:34):
payhim fifty million dollars. The Rams will go here, you
go go ahead.
Speaker 8 (08:40):
The interesting part about this is I think that there
are teams that will pay him fifty million dollars.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
It's just what they are, teams that he'll go to.
Speaker 8 (08:46):
Yeah, and what do the Rams want in return for it?
Like does the value match? And that's what's a little tricky.
I thought initially, Doug that when this conversation was thrown out,
that the Rams are just like, maybe we'll just get
a great offer.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
I said.
Speaker 8 (09:01):
I used the example of you're not really looking to move,
but if someone's going to give you enough money to
make you move, you'll do it. So let's just put
the house up for sale and see what we get.
That's what I kind of thought the Rams were doing.
Now as we found out more about the situation, it's
more complex and deeper than that. But I think that
there would be teams if you're the Raiders or the
Giants or any of those teams, you know, fifty million dollars.
(09:23):
I don't want to say it's cheap, but yeah, considering
the quarterback problems that those teams have had the last
couple of years, I don't think they'll have a problem
doing it.
Speaker 6 (09:31):
It's what do you give up with the Ram?
Speaker 8 (09:33):
Give up to the Rams now to be able to
do that sort of deal. I know it's kind of
strength from this.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
There's a buyer beware element to it in that, you know,
McVeigh move mountains to get him, won a Super Bowl
with him, and now mcveigh's allowing him to walk out
the door. You're like, what do we not.
Speaker 8 (09:53):
Yeah, one hundred percent agree with that.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Do not know and my guest can only be and
what you don't know, or what we assume, is that
Matt Stafford is going to retire at the end every
year he threatens to retire and he doesn't want to
get hit, right, remembered any of the spine thing at
the end of last season. And his wife is always
hinted at him retiring. And so we talked about this
(10:16):
with Aaron Rodgers. No one likes to get hit as
a quarterback, but the older guys no desire to step
in and get hit, and that's what the position requires
if you want to win the whole thing. And so,
whether it's the guts to take a hit or the
desire to do so, the need for a multi year contract,
the fact that he's one hard hit away from shutting
it down retiring. I don't think it's an arm strength
(10:38):
or an ability issue, especially if he's still playing in
a dome like he'd be in Vegas. But my guess
is that part of what limits his viability elsewhere is
Wait a second, Sean McVay loved you, jettisoned a good
quarterback to Detroit to get you, and now we're supposed
(10:59):
to take you on when you've talked of retiring the
last two off seasons. What are we missing here? What
do we miss here?
Speaker 8 (11:07):
I think everybody's got a breaking point at some point
where if something happened in a place of employment that
you would say like, okay, well that that's the straw
that broke the camel's back, or in a situation of hey,
you know then and then I wouldn't be able to
work there anymore. And I think that's to the point
of this whole sound bite is apparently the straw is
(11:29):
forty million dollars, which is unrelatable to so many. But
what I think is relatable is Matthew Stafford not feeling
respected at work. He just has the ability to walk
away from it, where most people in their normal lives
don't have that opportunity.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
It's a great point.
Speaker 6 (11:49):
I better be a nice straw for forty million.
Speaker 5 (11:52):
Forty million is a travestyon midw It sounds.
Speaker 6 (11:58):
Is that Jason is that kind of the essence of
this Well no.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
No, I mean there are several layers and that's what
the Midway is all about.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Here.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
You you give your first reaction to hearing that. My
first reaction was from like someone like who's had a
career in uh, you know, talent and broadcasting. If I
was to give Chase Daniel media training, I'm like, I
would say, you can't say that out loud. In other words,
(12:26):
everyone loves, you know, a guy just to say what's
on his mind and be honest. But if you want
to be a successful broadcaster slash podcaster, you need to
keep those words in that conversation among other rich guys
that played the game. And it's not really a good
thing to just say out loud. I took zero offense
to it. I was not bothered in the least. It's
(12:50):
a it's a it's a world that I am unfamiliar with.
Speaker 6 (12:53):
But yeah, you're used to discussing salaries in that range.
Speaker 8 (12:57):
I just like, yeah, maybe it's not like real money
to me, it's more of like a ranking.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
I just think it was the tone so tone deaf.
Speaker 6 (13:09):
He was trying to be entertaining and with his delivery
dynamic and yeah, that's what Chase Daniel's trying to do
post NFL. But listen for someone. I remember I did
a show with a former NBA player a long time
ago here Fox Sports Radio. And there comes a time
where like you have no this.
Speaker 8 (13:26):
Was Salmon Kareem, right, this was the Salmon Kareem Show
here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 6 (13:30):
Yeah sure, yeah, sure no. I mean, like I was
running the board for this show. But I had a
conversation with this former player and he made good money
in the NBA, but nothing, you know, nothing like you know,
some of the top stars are paid now. But he
said that like you become you start getting millions of
dollars in payment and you change you you go from like, oh,
(13:52):
I made seventy million and you could have made another
fifteen and he's like, and I'm like, that's you already
made seventy million dollars. You're you're better off than ninety
nine percent of people in this country or ninety five percent.
And he's like, oh, okay, whatever it is, whatever the status.
If you have seventy million dollars, you're better off than
a lot of people, a lot of millions and millions
and people tens of millions. But his point was that
(14:12):
he's like his he's like, you always want more, and
to me, that struck me, but it also didn't resonate,
Like I couldn't relate to it because I was like,
one million dollars would change my life forever.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
And it's like people's perspective is what you're saying.
Speaker 6 (14:28):
They do they become out of touch. And so when
you're like agast at forty million, there's there's a there's
a divide between this country between the working class and
the ultra rich, and it's never been on display more
than right now.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
I'll give you an example. Okay, so I'm actually broadcast
today from a good friend of mine, Kirk boss's company.
It's called Merrill Luckx. It's it's in Green Bay, right,
so as I don't know if I told you guys.
Did I tell you guys that my car got hit
by a snowplow?
Speaker 3 (14:54):
No?
Speaker 6 (14:54):
Was was this during the Oh no? This was this
was in Wisconsin.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Yeah, this is like two weeks like a week in
good Was this your crab walker? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (15:02):
Yeah, it's not walking crabs anymore.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
It's it is well, it's in that it's silver bergs
from it's getting so anyway, yeah, yeah, so I'm so
I I have a I had like, look, it'll sound
when when people know I have a hummer ev like,
oh whatever, I bought a demo, okay, got a deal
in a demo and my previous car which burned up
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in the fires.
Speaker 6 (15:28):
I don't fraight it also get hit by a snowplow.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
But they were trying to right by the fires. It
was literally yeah, yes, actually it.
Speaker 6 (15:34):
Didn't get a bulldoze. It wasn't snowplowter was bulldozed the
full dose.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
So anyway, but so like yeah, two weeks ago, actually
the visiting bus from northern Kentucky banged into a car
that banged into mind. We have video of it. And
then the next day I'm at practice and I pull
out a practice and the snowplow is like parked in
the in the lane and I'm like twenty yards behind it,
and I'm trying to figure out where it's going, and
then he just puts in reverse in jams back to me,
(16:00):
didn't see me at all, and screws of my car. Well,
those cars, apparently the parts are kind of rare. It's
gonna be a while, right, And so they they gave
me the keys to a brand new Escalade, but the
Escalade Electric one. It's literally the nicest car I've ever
driven in my life. But I told the guys, like,
(16:22):
I can't drive this anywhere in Green Bay. They're like,
why not? It's just essiated, like it's one hundred and
fifty thousand dollars car. I can't drive this anywhere, Like
there's no relatability at all. So I pull up and
you know, everyone will will think you're something that you're.
Speaker 6 (16:38):
Not, but you're your Your hummer is much cheaper, much cheaper,
much cheaper much because I would have thought that fancy
crabwalking hummer would be uh up there as well, mean.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
There's there's there's deals on them. Like I said, it
was a demo, it was a lot less. My hummer
was basically the price of brand new trucks are really expensive.
Speaker 6 (17:00):
Now.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
I don't know if you guys know they are basically
fifty no, no, no, what's not much. It was not
in the six figure variety.
Speaker 6 (17:06):
No, I'm saying, but like f one fifties are like
I don't know, yeh, seventy five.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Seventy or eighty thousand dollars. Yes, that's how much a
brand new, big old truck is. And so when I
was weighing the two, I was like, I don't know,
I like this one and it's the same. I'm gonna
get this anyway. Point is like, you got to have
a relatability. And I understand Chase Daniels was in the
NFL for a long time and those numbers don't and
the numbers are what they are, But it was the
(17:32):
way in which it landed where you're like, what play
that for me one more time? Sam, forty million is
a travesty.
Speaker 9 (17:42):
The point me is a travesty is a he's stuck
in the context of yeah, what Dan was talking about,
like the ranking of salaries, and a lot of people
can't relate to it.
Speaker 6 (17:53):
But it's just like this mythical kind of money figure
in your mind.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
And so I get what he like when he said
the Trevor Lawrence. And again part of it is we're
not actually no, everybody's. The NFL players are so dishonest
with these salaries, right, because whatever their salary is, most
of it is signing bonus upfront, right, and then their
actual salary is pretty minimal, and then the back end
they never actually get, so all the money they got
(18:16):
in the first year, like in the first three months
of the contract, and then they bury the money so
that it doesn't hurt the cap all that much. And
so if he said, hey, he should make more than
Trevor Lawrence, he should make more. But to do the
forty million dollars is a travesty when he just said
there was no market for him, just sounds like somebody
who doesn't understand the basic prevacy of business, which, as
(18:38):
I said, is you're worth what somebody's willing to pay you.
Whatever they pay Trevor Lawrence doesn't matter. It's what they're
willing to pay pay you. And that's the Midway The Midway. Yeah,
I got hit by a snowplow and I didn't get
hit by I was in the car, but it was
one of those like what is this guy doing?
Speaker 2 (18:57):
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Speaker 1 (19:09):
S Doug Gotleip Show, Fox Sports Radio Doug.
Speaker 8 (19:12):
They say you don't know someone until you sit next
to him and eat Gust's fried chicken in New Orleans.
That would be the case with our next guest during
Super Bowl Week. Yeah, Ben Volan, I sitting at the
counter enjoying delicious fried chicken on a Saturday night in Nola.
Speaker 6 (19:26):
That's what happened.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
We missed you, Dan, a wide or dark meat?
Speaker 8 (19:31):
I both, yes, thigh leg, got a breast wing. I
even threw in a tender, But I think Volan was
all tenders. He'd have to correct me on that.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Wow, that's a man after your own heart there, Dan.
It's like all of a sudden, you're like, oh my god,
all tenders. Benvolan joining US Boston Globe covers the entire
Nation Football League? Are you an all tenders guy? Like
you turned down a chicken thigh. I love a chicken thigh.
Speaker 7 (19:54):
I just just know that night I was I was
mostly tenders. I got a wing on the side. Okay,
the sample some of Gus's various, But you know, it
was my first trip to New Orleans in probably eight
or ten years. You can't go fifty feet without hitting
a chicken tender shop or like a hot chicken plate.
And man, I was just craving it all week. And
(20:15):
you sit down at the counter at the super Bowl
and you never know who you're going to sit next to.
Sure Enough I get to sit next to the wonderful producer,
an update guy for the Doug Gottleep Show. So what
a night in New Orleans.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
I don't know how to break this to you, Bend,
but he's not a producer, he's he's a he's a host.
And Ben Bullet John is here. Chicken. It's all good,
but we're eating chicken. Let let's let's get back to
the I.
Speaker 7 (20:42):
Said update hosts, right, I got part of it.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Right that there you go. I'm we're teaching, okay, Matt Stafford.
We played for we played for people to sound. We
played for people to sound of Chase Daniel, Sam, could
you play that for me again? That this this line
really got people? It gets me at least. Yeah, where
he talked about the idea of being offered forty million
(21:05):
dollars and basically being offended for matt Stafford, right, and look,
this was him on Diana Rossini's podcast.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
Matthew goes out, sees that there's no market for him
at the price he wants, and the Rams say, all right,
we'll bring it back for forty million. Don't you think
that's a fairty?
Speaker 5 (21:25):
No, what, Diana, You're too much front office speak. Forty
million is a travesty?
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Are you?
Speaker 5 (21:34):
If he gets forty million, I would at this point,
to be completely honest with you, from a player's perspective,
I would retire.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
I would retire what happens with Stafford.
Speaker 7 (21:46):
It's wild that it's gotten to this point, Doug, because
I think you look at this situation objectively. Why would
Matthew Stafford want to leave a golden situation that he's
got with the Rams, where he's got a team that's
on the verge of being I think a top contender. Again,
they took the Eagles, you know, push them as much
as any team this year. He's got a tremendous connection
(22:08):
with Puka Nakua, the best coach, and Sean McVay. He
plays indoors, he plays in the NFC West.
Speaker 8 (22:15):
You know, nice.
Speaker 7 (22:16):
Controlled environment games. Why would you want to leave any
of that? And so it's you know, it's become pretty clear,
like Sean McVay came out on that Andrew Whitworth and
Ryan Fitzpatrick podcast and said, we want Matthew back, absolutely,
but it made it very clear that you know, only
at their price. And Matthew Stafford, there's no question he's
(22:38):
underpaid by a lot, I mean twenty seven million next
year when Dak Prescott is making sixty. Matthew Stafford does
make a good case that he deserves to be paid
a lot more. But like at his age and with
his situation, it's shocking to me that he's apparently willing
to push it that much for the money, that he's
willing to join a lousy Raiders organization or maybe the giants,
(23:01):
like two teams who are nowhere close to being contenders,
just because Matthew Stafford, who's already made I believe, over
three hundred and sixty million dollars in career earnings, you know,
wants to be paid at the top of the market.
I get that we all want to be paid what
we're worth, but I'm just it's shocking to me that
Matthew Stafford, at this age of his career appears to
be prioritizing getting paid the most as opposed to the
(23:24):
best situation for him to win more titles, which I
think is clearly with the Rams. So we'll see if
he follows through with any of this, but it appears
to be very serious. If he's meeting with Tom Brady
and his you know, the Giants are meeting with his
people here at the Combine in Indianapolis, Matthew Stafford is
very serious apparently about trying to get his market value,
(23:45):
and it's probably not going to be with the Rams.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Stug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports trists, if you
have to bet, where would it be?
Speaker 7 (23:55):
You know, probably Vegas, just because it's you know, the
Tom Brady. It's kind of like when John Elway was
able to pull Peyton Manning to the Broncos. I just
think Tom Brady is kind of like the ultimate recruiter
for someone like Stafford, and you can still it's indoor games,
it's the AFC West. You know, not too many bad
(24:18):
weather games out there, so you know, Vegas to me
would make more sense than the Giants, which why would
you want to join that situation, especially having to be
an outdoor East Coast bad weather quarterback, which Stafford his
entire career has been a dome quarterback, so I would
not want to The Giants would not be the situation,
especially with the state of that roster. You know, the
(24:41):
narrators aren't much better, but you've got rock Bowers there,
You've got some pieces at least in Vegas, so that
would probably be my guess. And Stafford's the big lynchpin
because you know, if once he goes, that's you know,
Sam Darnold can start slotting himself into place, and then
Kirk Cousins can probably find a home. So everyone's kind
of waiting on Stafford, and if he leaves, then all
(25:03):
of a sudden, the Rams that becomes a plumb opening
and maybe Sam Darnold heads to the Rams and that's
that's their answer for the next two or three years.
So this Stafford thing is really kind of the lynch
pin of the entire offseason and everyone's waiting to see
what move he's going to make.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Stug Gottlieb Show Here on Fox Sports Radio, Ben Volin's
at the at the at the combine. Of course, he
joins us weekly here on the Doug Gottlieb Show. He
covers the entire NFL for the Boston Globe. Okay, help
me out with the Bengals, right they're supposedly trying to
re up everybody does it all work?
Speaker 7 (25:41):
It would be out of their character for the Bengals
to bring everyone back. I mean it would take probably
some savvy maneuvering and a lot of money going out
to Jamar Chase, t Higgins, and Trey Hendrickson. Those are
three of the top players in the NFL right now. Chase,
you have to keep especially, you know, after winning the
(26:02):
Triple Crown, and they probably, you know, for whatever reason,
they weren't able to come to an agreement last training
camp and it set the team back. You know, they
started one and four and missed out on the playoffs
by a single game. So I think they'd be smart
to get Chase taken care of right away. Not only
to the best receiver, but he's Joe Burrow's guy. Got
(26:24):
to keep Joe Burrow happy. Te Higgins is the interesting one.
It seems like they're the Bengals might use the franchise
tag on him, which I don't think Higgins would be
thrilled about. Maybe you know that spurs a team like
the Patriots to come up with a trade offer and
offer a third round pick and see if they can
get t. Higgins. But and then the I mean Trey
(26:46):
Hendrickson was arguably, you know, could have been Defensive Player
of the Year this past year, and he's the key
to their whole pass rush. So the Bengals, I mean, man,
they were playing like one of the best teams in
the league down the stretch, and you know, the team
that no one wanted to face that they made the playoffs.
It'd be it'd be tough for that franchise if they
had to dismantle their core. But man, that that's a
(27:07):
lot of money coming out and a lot of savvy
moves having to be made, which the Bengals have never
exactly been known to make before.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Stug got Libs show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay,
help me out with the QB market. Okay, you have
a varying levels of discarded discarded starters from other teams. Right,
you got Sam Darnold, You got Kirk Cousins, who's we
were told yesterday is going to be a backup with Atlanta,
but that feels like wait till somebody gets hurt. You
got Russell Wilson, what's what's the backup? The well the
(27:39):
former starter looking to be a starter, potential backup market
looking like for those guys.
Speaker 7 (27:44):
Yeah, it's like gonna be another game of musical chairs.
And and the Raiders are really, you know, much like
Stafford is with full Lynchpin. It feels like the Raiders
are really the team that's getting aggressive, uh this offseason.
And if it's not, if it's not Stafford, then you know,
they feel like the team that's going to make the
big play for Sam Donald. Donald did cost himself probably
(28:05):
a lot of money in those last two starts of
the season where unfortunately everything for him fell apart in
Week eighteen and then in the playoffs. But he's still
going to get I think a solid two to three
year deal. Probably not with the Vikings. I think they're
ready to move on to JJ McCarthy if they have to.
But I could see something similar to what Baker Mayfield
got like three years, one hundred million. That to me
(28:28):
is very much in Sam Donald's you know range, And
if the Raiders aren't able to land Matthew Stafford, I think,
you know that's Sam Donald is going to be probably
at the top of their list. And then you know,
Kirk Cousins is a really intriguing guy. This year. Last
year was tough on him and he got benched by
(28:48):
the Falcons, and all this talk about them keeping Kirk Cousins,
I just think they're trying to drum up any sort
of trademarket for him, and I think they're trying to
get him to renegotia some of the twenty seven million
that they owe him, and by saying that, oh, well,
we're going to keep you as the backup, but if
you want to be a starter somewhere, you know, we'll.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Let you go.
Speaker 7 (29:08):
But you've got to agree to this to some less
money here. So I think there's a little bit of
a negotiation going on. But he's gonna be like this
year's Russell Wilton, who Russell Wilson was getting paid by
the Broncos last year thirty eight million dollars, And so
the Steelers could just pay him a million dollars and
it made him a very valuable quarterback. Kirk Cousin is
going to be probably a similar situation this year, which
(29:28):
I think makes him a very intriguing candidate for a
team like the Browns, who definitely need a cheap quarterback
because they're gonna be paying Deshaun Watson forty six millions
probably not to play football for them this fall. So
Cousins would be someone who, you know, in a vacuum,
might have a tough time getting a starting job this year.
But because he's going to be so cheap, probably just
a million dollars with the Falcons picking up, you know,
(29:50):
the most of the freight, Cousins could be a good
low cost option for a team like the Jets, four team,
maybe the Giants, you know, the brown that are just
looking for like a cheap stopgap quarterback.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Stug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports. Ready want one
last one? Ben? What's the name? General? What's the name
generating the most buzz at the combine regards to the draft?
Speaker 7 (30:13):
Well, you know, it's been slow so far, where you've
just gotten the big defensive lineman today, but duel Carter went,
and I'll tell you what, man, this kid, not only
is he a beast on the field, and he's getting
you know, like training tips and tips from Michael Parsons,
which you know, I think it's scary for the league,
but a duel. Carter came across as very polished, very
(30:34):
well prepared, and interview really well, really wants to be
the number one pick, and I think he's going to
give the Titans and a lot of teams at the
top of the draft something to think about. You know,
I know, quarterbacks and offense you know, generally go at
the top, but Abdall Carter looks department and he's whoever
he goes, you know, wherever he goes, he's going to
(30:55):
make some team really happy, it seems like. And I
think the Patriots at number four are pre saying that
he's somehow falls to them. But Abdul Carter looks like
the real deal, and you can tell he's going to
interview very well and just come across really well in
this pre draft process.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Awesome stuff. Ben bollin Boston Globe and he has broken
bread or actually broken chicken with breading on it. With
our own Dan Byer Ben, thanks so much for joining
us and Joy Andy all right, thanks Doug Gottlieb Show
here on Fox Sports Radio. Shortly after the show, our
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(31:34):
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live from the tyright dot com studio. The NFL is
ready to ditch a long time tradition. What is it
by not? Next?
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Uh Jay Stu.
This song came on and all of a sudden, like
you ears perked up.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Why oh no, it's not about the return butup, it's
about what you said going out of the last last segment.
So Ben Violin was nice enough to give us ten
to fifteen minutes of his time from the Combine today,
he took time to join the show. I'm all about
guest experience. It's my history. And guest booking. I want
(32:21):
our guests to have a good time. I want him
to say yes the next time we ask him. So
we go back to the beginning of his interview and
Dan Bayer coming out of his update and says, hey, Ben,
you know we had dinner together, you know, And then
all of a sudden it gets into one of those
things where Ben is compelled to on live radio try
to remember the name of the person he had dinner with.
(32:43):
He obviously didn't, and then he said update, anchor and
producer of the Doug Gottlieb Show, and neither of those
are wrong. Dan is a producer at heart, maybe not
by title. Dan thinks like a producer. I know it
was not worth correcting the ghust.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Do you really think this is an issue? Had been
moving forward?
Speaker 3 (33:05):
No, I just wanted him to have a good experience.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
That's all I met me had a good experience.
Speaker 8 (33:09):
But I mean, go ahead, Dan, I should I should
have just laid out and let it be. We randomly
sat next to each other at the same counter, and
then you know, we talked for about ten or fifteen
minutes and that was it.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
It is weird when you're radio friends and you've never
met in real life, but you've talked on radio.
Speaker 8 (33:26):
And I think I've filled in, you know, for you
when we've had him on. So that's another point of
where if I felt like we've spoken before, I'll say something.
And so that's why I did in that scenario. And
I had a good conversation. But yeah, I didn't expect
him to remember, you know, my name. But at least
he remembered the conversation and the meal. So I'll take that.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
I thought I was gonna say say. I thought I
thought Dan would say, say my name.
Speaker 6 (33:53):
Say that's all right, It's all good.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Let's just say my name. There you go, depressed by
the way your tweet about kim Olaijauwan, I've been corrected.
Kim o Elijah wore etonics Etonics Etonics. That was the
name of Sneakers, not to be confused with Is it
the Pentatonics? Is that the famous a cappella anthic? Yes?
Speaker 6 (34:16):
Yes, Jason, So that's his favorite group.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
Right, oh, one of his favorites. Who loves it?
Speaker 6 (34:21):
All right, Doug.
Speaker 8 (34:22):
Before we get to the NFL news, did you hear
what Paul George had to say today? I did not
this is what he had to say about his podcast
going forward.
Speaker 10 (34:29):
Fellas. It's no secret this season is up to this point, man,
it hasn't been what we envision. I know my goal
when I first signed with Philadelphia was to bring a
championship to these amazing fans here. I still remain positive
about that and that is still the case and where
I'm coming from. With that being said, though, I want
to let the podcast Pee family know that after today's
(34:52):
episode with DWIGHTE, I plan to take a break from
the pod just to focus on getting my body right,
getting mentally right, and you know, the squad make a
push towards our goal to finish the season. I'll give
ourselves a chance to be in contentions to compete for
a championship.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
The mob is one the pay more attention dr Like, dude,
how long does a podcast taking? A podcast taping take?
How many days a week does he do it? You know? Now, look,
Paul's different than me. I think he has a young family, right,
So maybe it's like, hey, I'm just taking away from
(35:31):
my family time. I don't know. But my example is
I was up at five thirty this morning. I got
a whole bunch of work done. I fell asleep at
the end of that Laker Maverick game last night. We
had practice today at film eight forty five to nine,
(35:51):
practice nine and we were done. We were done by
about ten twenty. Then we watched film on about twenty
recruits that were we're trying to place in order of
who we want based upon spots we have, whatever, and
then head over here to do the radio show. So yeah,
(36:11):
I just I don't know the mob is won, like
somehow that's going to improve and whatever.
Speaker 6 (36:20):
PG. Thirteen, Yeah, saying bye bye to the pod.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Yeah, what else yet?
Speaker 8 (36:26):
NFL will be using an electronic measuring system so they
can measure first down starting in twenty twenty five. This
was experimented with in twenty twenty four in the preseason,
but now instead of running the chain gang out there,
they'll be able to measure electronically whether the football is
spotted to reach the line to gain. The chains will
(36:46):
still be on the field, but they'll be used as
a backup.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
If the system changer on the field is our backup.
Speaker 6 (36:53):
That will be the backup.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
Yes, then what's the point of having it?
Speaker 8 (36:57):
I guess maybe a visual as well for the players
to see.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
That makes sense as there. Uh so, just like that
they changed it.
Speaker 8 (37:06):
They experimented with last year, but they didn't have technology
in all the stadiums to do it, and so now
the NFL network is saying that they're going to be
doing it in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
I do wonder, you know, the one thing that we
can all relate to as sports fans, even in the
most technically sound stadiums like so Fi, Wi Fi in
those stadiums is always really, really hard. I do wonder
if this new technology, you'll be like, oh man, now
my WiFi never works, can't text anybody, Nobody knows I exist.
When I'm in a football game.
Speaker 8 (37:32):
It's going to bring the drama of the abs that
I mentioned yesterday, and also of the cyclops with Tennis
will be able to see if it's a first down
or not. Saints GM Mickey loomis saying today that Derek
Carr will be their QB one starting in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
So they gonna be bad.
Speaker 6 (37:48):
And that's the.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Press they get out there and pressed.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
That was the press.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
I just not a big Derek Carr guy. Gets hurt
a lot as well. I don't know.
Speaker 6 (37:59):
I say they tank for arch Manning. That's what I
think the plan is.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
That's not crazy, not crazy, and it's been mentioned by others.
All right, for my esteem producer Dan Byer and Jason Stewart,
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