March 19, 2025 • 37 mins
In this version of "The Midway", Doug and the crew share what they like and dislike most about NCAA Tournament coverage. Doug reacts to Joe Burrow's comments on the Bengals' signing both of his big offensive weapons at receiver. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through "The Press".
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Life out here. Let's get to the midway. It's not getting.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
It's time for.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
The Midway.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Okay. So we had a little it was a very
short back and forth on text earlier today, guys and
I wanted to throw out another idea for midway, and
I mean, in all honesty, it's going to be more
of a geek out session for me and Dan. So
I just again I start with that as the admittance. Okay,
So Jay Stu yours was what a celebrity bracket? Is
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that what you want to do?
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Oh no, no, no, I this Timmy year.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
You see a bunch of those ironic brackets, like in know,
worst haircut on a TV show and then they'll give
sixty five. There's just a bunch of those things. I
was just wondering to what if you've noticed anything that
you actually thought were pretty funny.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Okay. The other one I thought was the the I
saw that doctor pimple Popper. Somebody had her bracket on
the March Madness site like brackets. I didn't know I
needed to see. I've apparently seen this. It's it's almost
like seeing your parents naked. Like I didn't need to
see that. I could have I could have done with
that that right, The one that I was thinking of
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was your favorite your your favorite upset in the in
the in the first round. And I'll get to kind
of the least reason why, but just and and kind
of what you remember about that upset? So, Dan, I
think I know which one you're gonna pick up the three? Right,
you would pick the last one?
Speaker 3 (02:55):
You?
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Oh, I don't know what your three are all of
the topics. Yes, oh, I thought you were talking about
upsets in the NCAA tournament. Yeah, yeah, I'm totally fine.
I told Jason during the break, I was good to
talk about the coverage of the NCAA tournament, what I
love and hate about it. I think it's an interesting conversation.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
What do you I could do that one, Jace, do
you want to make final ruling? What do you want
to do?
Speaker 4 (03:20):
I mean, all these are good for me, So you
guys have at it.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Man, let's do the coverage thing, because I've actually covered
the tournament both radio and TV. I've worked for CBS
for five years cover the tournament, I've played in the tournament,
and then I've worked for Westwood One for the last
I don't know seven years covering the tournament. In the final four.
All right, so Dan, let me start with what you like.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
So I like the presentation of selection Sunday and how
it's done. The bracket There is no there is no
more dilly dallying at the top. They've got it down
to an hour. So you got to get these brackets
in and you got to get this interview with the
committee chair or in this year's case, vice chair as
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well within the sixty minutes. So when three o'clock local
time on the West Coast hit six o'clock Eastern, they
dive in. Everybody's there, and all of a sudden, boom,
a graphic is up. It's the number one overall seed
and we are offing running. I love that, and it
is boom boom, boom boom. It's thirty five minutes of
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amazing television in a sports in a sports realm. And
in fact, and listen, I've barstool I know kind of
did something like this this week. I've done this for
a decade, Doug, and I think I've said it on
the show about five times because draft lottery is up
there for me NFL Draft, but Selection show is the
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best non sporting sporting event that there is, and the
drama that they provide and how now CBS does it
in that thirty five minutes is amazing.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Okay, So then what don't you like?
Speaker 2 (04:58):
I don't like when Seth da gives all of his
upset picks during that sixty minute show. And I don't
know Seth Davis personally. In my interactions with him, He's
been fine, Doug. I know you know him a lot better.
I don't have a personal vendetta against Seth Davis, although
one time I brought him on and I kind of
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pigeonholed him as a college basketball guy and he's like, well,
I cover all sports, so that may have been more
my bad, But that's the fun of making out your
bracket is to pick an upset and then you get
to tell people about it. He ruins it by picking
eight upsets, and he's had the bracket before anybody, So
it's just that really annoys me, and I'm actually glad
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I get to do the selection show during that time
because then I don't have to hear the upsets that
he's picked.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Well, I'll say this about Seth. He's a friend. I
disagree with a lot of his a lot of how
he does it. Now. Part of it is also how
it's produced right in that they you know, they like, hey,
let's just get your upsets in there, just throw them
in there. I think it's way too tight a show.
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I don't think it needs to be it needs to
be an hour. I think it could be a lot longer,
and I think you can go through and talk about
the brackets and talk about the games and then have
some substance for why you're picking it. I think my
issue is Seth and his upset picks is I don't
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know if there's actually anything other than like, like, you
could find a stat if you want. But Seth's kind
of this curious. Wasn't a coach, not an insider, but
he's been doing it so long they were like, okay,
we'll go along with it, and he clearly knows what's
going on in the sport. I just I would like
a more substantive here's who I'm picking and why. Here's
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who I'm picking and why. And again, I think there's
plenty of time. You're the only ones with the bracket,
So keep the bracket at the end, give us more time,
go through the games and pick your upsets. And I
think that would be fascinating. I actually think you can
also do a alternate bracket, like if this then that right,
if there's a twelve five upset, well then I like
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this team. But if not the five wins and I
like this team in ears, what because of matchups and
so on so forth, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Right,
So yeah, but I would say, if I was gonna
pick on sets upsets it it would be why you
gotta give me a why, Like if I tell you,
I don't think I would state it's getting out the
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first weekend. It's not because I don't think always state's good.
I just think they're a totally different team like Kashauane
Gilbert just are well, you know, like those type of things,
which when I did the show, I would pick an
upset in a bracket just because I thought it was
gonna be an upset, because I thought you know, somebody
gets hurt or I like the team and that's it,
and you work it in with whatever your fifteen seconds
are on that game.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
I think that there's there's a way to massage it
in there. I think what makes that win in there? Yeah,
it's just it's like and then I like BYU to
the Elite eight, it just is like, Okay, hold on,
I'm just finding out who's in BYU's region. Yes, like
I need to hold on. Yeah, seriously hold on. It's
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not a good job, but I will say I was
that that was a pretty good imitation of me doing
my drop. I actually disagree with you where I think
that the radio job of the sixty minutes makes it
just for let's get the brackets in there, let's get
the questions, and then let's get out and then allows
the other entities US, ESPN, CBS Sports Network to now
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talk about it over the next three or four days.
That's what That's what I like about it.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
I I I agree that's what it does. If I
was running CBS, no way I would give that power
to everybody else. I just would. I want people to
watch the Slash show. I want to what they're gonna
watch till the end, and I'm gonna I'm gonna take
my sweet time and I'm gonna, you know, I don't
care about the the video of the team getting in
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the celebration, like I know, that's it's.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Especially when they're already in. Like I like the bubble
ones where it's like they haven't shared yet. That's because
half the brackets now it's nervous time.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Yeah, I would also hold the bubble ones until the
very end, you know, hold the first four until the
very end, leave those blank and then at the very end,
and then I think that the hard part is during
the games and covering the games when you have people
that don't cover college basketball. And I understand that that's
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you know, Turner is going to start to have more
college sports. But some of their guys, you know, I
think you like stan Ben Gundy. He was calling a
game Thursday night. I was I was watching last Thursday,
I was watching an NBA game. I flipped over for
a second. He's calling it, and I'm like, why didn't
somebody put him on a college basketball tournament so that
he you know, because when you're in a tournament, you
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talk to all the coaches, you get a better feel
you make connections, and I just I think everybody feels
that way about it now. I will say that CBS,
the CBS guys, they're better now than when I first
started there, because when I first started there, they didn't
have a lot of games on CBS Sports Network, and
because of it, they had, you know, you had guys
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who were CBS guys that had called you know, a
handful of games all year, and they called NBA games
rest of the year, and they really seemed to not
be kind of in the weeds of college basketball, not
that you have to be, but especially now with where
you have, you know, multiple transfers and you got to
tell stories and why guy was in the transfer portal,
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what it was like like those stories are what what
draws people in, what draws people in, and I think
the job of a broadcaster as a storyteller. I also
I do think they're played by play guys are outstanding.
I've worked with several of them. They're you know, and
all the play by play guys are really really good.
And so uh yeah, I means, now, what about like
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a hybrid of the Midway?
Speaker 2 (11:04):
If I were to say, well, can I just ask
Jason and Sam, do you have broadcast stuff, are you guys?
I don't.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
I don't think what Doug was just describing. I never
thought that was fair to the actual analyst. Like if
you asked Charles Barkley, in all honesty, do you like
doing it? He might be like, yeah, it's a change
of pace. I'm just worn out of my NBA by
that time. It's a change of pace for me. Well,
that doesn't really serve the viewer, because like seeing a
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guy that's not prepared, knowing he's not prepared and he's
just kind of winging it. I don't know how that
maximizes your broadcast. I don't think it's fair to the viewer.
I don't think it's fair to the person that you're
putting in that position. I thought it was an odd
decision back then. I just asked Sam if they're still
doing that, and I googled it, and I'm good at
the Google. Sam isn't. And it looks like Barkley's going
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to be doing this tournament, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Yeah, I don't think that's fair to him, to him
or the viewer, Yeah, yeah, that's fair. I mean, look,
I think that once Sparkley gets into the sweet sixteen
and they have a better feel for feel for the
games and the stories whatever. I think. Then the entertainment
and they've done a good job. And now putting Clark
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Kellogg with those guys too, and Clark, I mean, Clark
knows a lot and shares a lot with them, but
I generally think, yeah, it's a that's a hard point.
And Fox used to have that, you er win Fox
before they had college football, they had a couple of
bowl games. I want to say, Jimmy Johnson covered the
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Cotton Bowl one year, yes, and it was so uncomfortable,
so uncomfortable, and Jimmy Jwnes was a great college football coach.
But like, you didn't cover college football, so you don't
have those reference points. You just don't. I actually, when
I was a kid, my dad would pull me out
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of school and I would go down to go down
to it. There's a sports bar, and I think it
was in Costa Mesa, and we could it had all
the big satellites so we could watch all the games.
I don't think that's necessary now. Like with my son,
he's in spring break now, but when he's in school,
like they all watch it on their chromebooks and they
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watched on their phones. You don't actually have to get it.
It's kind of My point is the ease by which
you can get a sporting event on a telephone, the
fact that every kid middle school above has a has
a has a cell phone. It takes away the old
national holiday where the kid was always coming down with
some sort of flu or or throat issue on a
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Thursday and Friday of the tournament. It's almost too easy
to get every game.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
I'll tell you. One of my earliest memories was was
it Ball State in Oregon State? Watching it in my
junior high school library where Rick majeris in Ball State
upset Gary Payton and Oregon State in the NCAA tournament.
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Watching it on one of the TVs on the big
carts that they would wheel into your room. The librarian
let us put the games on during our study haul
and we got to see Ball State upset Oregon State.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Ball State was coached by Rick bageris too right?
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Yeah that's what you said, yep, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Midw I remember It's funny that that yesterday we had
Brendon Heyward on Hayward On, and he was talking about
when Harold the show Arsenal lit them up. I thought
that was great. Uh, it's also the names that you
remember right now, Ali Fruckminesh memorable. When he's at Northern
he was my classmate now yeah, now he's at Colorado
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State as an assistant.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
You went to the same high school, Sam, Yeah, me,
and he was a couple of years younger than me.
But I think he when I was a senior, he
was like a sophomore. But yeah, uh, we had a
lot of mutual friends.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Well it was your class mate. He wasn't in the
same class as you were, even actually the same class.
Speaker 5 (15:04):
Okay, this is what you do, Doug. You dig down
on something that's not important. He was in he was
a classmate. Like, he's a high school classmate. He doesn't
have to be in my class. I'm actually I'm a
I'm on Sam's side on this.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Yeah, Like, oh yeah, Jay Stu.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
I think if you went to the same school and
the uh just kind of fudge together. Yeah, I think
I think it's in play.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Yeah, with that, it's in play. But would that be
a true like classmate is well, you didn't say friends,
Fred Lee.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
He's a he's a he's a went to the high school.
He's an associated I actually, okay, colleague.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
So so Deshaun Foster. We had him on UCLA's head coach.
Now we I loosely teammates. Here's how he was a freshman.
I was a senior. Okay, uh for the playoffs. I
think he got to dress and got to warm.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Up with this.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
I think he was on technically on the team. I
don't remember if he if he dressed in the playoff games.
I want to say he was at practice, and so
that's how I remember it. But if I said, like,
he's my teammate, like he doesn't appear in any team picture, right,
So that would be lying and he wouldn't really be
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a classmate even though he went to the same high school.
I would just say we went to the same high school.
Speaker 5 (16:18):
Sure, all right, well, but just just for the sake
of simplicity and time, I just said classmate.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
I think actually I think that's fair. And I commend Sam,
who I thought would go the other way, like like
I would say that Sam would have said, like he's
a friend, you know, when maybe he wasn't. But he
not only said not only is he not in the quaintance, Yeah,
he's just a classmate. That's a good word. Thought it
was good.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
Because we have a very close mutual friend guy named RJ.
So we're kind of like two ven diagrams. We were
on the rings from the outside and our buddy RJ
was in the middle.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Yeah, that's good, We're good. Ay. He's always a point
of pride for us. Ali furrokmini Ish.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
I remember when I was a junior in high school,
Ucla played Tulsa and Tulsa smoked him. Pooh Williamson was
their point guard. Shay Seals was their best player. And
this is the year before UCLA won the national championship.
They played in Oklahoma City, I believe was where the
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where the first and second round was, and they asked,
I think they asked Ed O'Bannon, do you know where
Tulsa is? And he's like, I got no idea. I
got no idea. They're like, yeah, it's like an hour
and a half from here. Whatever. Anyway, that was like
kind of the calling card. But I remember that game distinctly.
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And then of course the next year it was the
second game, second round when and I think yesterday was
the anniversary of it, right, the Tayas Edney four point
eight seconds length of the court shoots the layup, otherwise
they lose that game in the second round to Missouri,
which was in Boise. And of course I think Dan
and I are aligned on this one. The reason everybody
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remembers it was in Boise was because they had everybody
got to keep their traditional home courts, yes, and which
now I think Albertson Arena is that what it is?
Speaker 4 (18:06):
It?
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Yeah, it sounds about right.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
They may have changed names. I could be wrong. I
apologize to our affiliate and Poise, but now they have
to do these standard courts and they just say the
name of the site at the end of the court.
And I think most of us traditionalists like the keep
a court.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Why not, Well, it's funny to look back because it
really is an old look when you look at the
old courts. Funny story about that game. Me and my
buddies from high school who were friends, a group of us.
We're in Austin, Texas for the NCAA tournament first and
second rounds. They announced on the PA at the old
Frank Irwin Center that Missouri beat UCLA seventy four to
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sixty five. So we're all I call my goodness Arkansas
was in the bracket. They were in our region, their
fans were there, you know, a big gasp, and then
they had to come on and say correction, UCLA won
seventy five seventy four. They had got the score wrong.
I'll never forget that, But you're right. Personalized courts. Remember
when the NCUBA didn't even decipher. They just were all
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black with the city name in blue, and it ruined
highlights because of what Doug is talking about. We remember
the Tya Sidney for the greatness of it, but the
court sure as heck helps a lot. Danny Aing's going
coast to coast in Atlanta at the Omni for BYU
against Notre Dame is one that I'll never forget. James Forrest,
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I remember hitting the shot because I was there in
Milwaukee at the old Bradley Center Green Court. But there
was that time where the NCUBA tried to generalize all
the courts and make them all the same, and it
ruined it because every game looked identical and it kind
of took away from capturing some of those moments. Now
they look similar, but there's different coloring around. Yeah. Yeah,
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speaking of borders on courts, because That's what I addressed there.
Really annoyed by ESPN putting this border around the screen.
I know they don't care about college basketball and that
the women's college basketball Tournament is their entity, but I
don't know how many times I've looked up over the
past time days the scores or just looking at the
matchups and I'm like, wait, Utah is not in the
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NCAA tournament. Yeah, and then I'm looking like, I listen,
the women's game is taken off. You guys have your opinion.
Sam loves it. I know you and Jay maybe aren't
the biggest of fans. I get it. I'm whatever about it,
but there's no way you could go fifty to fifty
on that information. No, just can't do it. It's stupid.
You gotta cycle through the men's tournament.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
It's so disingenuous.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
Yes, yes, how about this? I think Doug didn't I
want to say, you sent me a reel of a
comedian has an entire bit about this, how he looked
up that Richmond beat Duke and he's like, whoa, whoa,
my brackets screwed up. And then and then he just
went off on women's sports. I gotta find that another.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
That Bilberg has a new one where he talks about
how much smarter. But are the men yet? You know,
men have so dominated the world and it's just got
to make them so upset. But why don't women support
the w NBA, right, Like, why don't feminist support It's
it's wildly, wildly entertained.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Well, and I'll even even say this, I mean, you know,
our parties to be at Fox Sports one. I wish
they would do more with college basketball during this week.
So one week thing. It's like when you have square
dancing and gym just if you don't like it, okay,
deal with it. Spring on people. I understand the NFL
is busy. Oh yeah, in elementary school, like one week
you had to do square dancing, you had to do
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the parachute thing for balls and stuff, stuff like that,
Like it wasn't like a normal gym class.
Speaker 5 (21:42):
But maybe those little scooters you'd sit on your push
yourself around with your legs.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
And maybe it's more of a hockey thing where it's like, okay,
well we never talk about hockey, so why would we now.
Maybe they're taking like that approach, but I tip the
cap the CBS Sports Networks they are all in. I
like their personalities. I think they've got really good personalities
and talking about the colleg game I think to do.
I think they do a great job.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Good stuff. That's the midway.
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life out here. Offensive coordinator quarterback coach which.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
We'll see just says he's joining the staff. Multiple interviewed
for multiple jobs, but now makes them move back to college.
Don't have a specific title for Byron left Wich.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Is he the assistant to the regional manager?
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Is that it is? Maybe we'll be the assistant regional manager.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Assistant to the assistant to the assistant to the regional
regional manager. Still got leave show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, well,
let's talk sin Byron left Wich. Good a little jumping
off point. Let's talk Joe Burrow. No, Joe Burrow is
much better than Byron left Which. But the point is
that both AFC quarterbacks there you go, left Which never
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was in a Super Bowl. But regardless, both had kind
of heroic figures in college, Burrow for winning a national championship,
maybe the best season ever and Byron left which being
carried down the field with a bad ankle when he
was at Marshall. So Joe Burrow said, hey, man, I'll
take less money or we move some money around. I
want my guys back, and he got them all back.
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Joe Burrow said, they signed the right guys, the right guys.
I guess the question is now that you have your
best defensive player resigned, your two star wide receivers resigned,
and you have a new contract the Bengals have any
money left to go and you know, build a defense
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since they didn't have one last year. That's the question.
I'll say this about the Bengals. Yes, they had the
reputation of being cheap, but the other reputation they actually
have inside the NFL is of resigning their own guys.
Their cheapness is in some of the ancillary stuff. Right,
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there's the old stories of they didn't have new towels
in their facility and some other things. But they don't
their spend thrifts in free agency, not with their own guys,
like Carson Palmer had the biggest contract in the history
of the sport, and then towards knee and of course
then he got into a tiff with the with the team.
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But it's not as surprising to me. I just I
think this is a great grand experiment, right the Aaron
Rodgers older quarterback come in. I'm gonna stabilize things. I'm
gonna pick my guys other people don't think are as
good as like that didn't work with the New York Jets,
But I'm interested in this one and whether or not
this will work with the Cincinnati Begels. He's not picking
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new groceries. He's not picking new teammates. What he's saying is, hey,
let's move somebody around, money around, and make sure we
keep the top guys.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Byer.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
You think it works.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
I don't know if it does. I am a skeptic, however,
and I'm not sitting on the fence on this. I
got a lot of reasons and points to make while
it's why it won't work, but I do at least
like the fact that a team is thinking different than
what we think of now in the normal NFL, where
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they're so much the same of everything and trying to
make decisions, They're going about it a different way that
they think can help them. I don't think that's necessarily
going to work, but I at least commend them for
being like, all right, this is the way we're going
to go. Not everybody does it this way, and we're
going to see if it works. So I tip my
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cap and say good luck.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
I agree that that's actually a much smarter way of
putting what I said into words, which is, again, I
don't know if that works. Where you're like, all right,
who are four best players? All right, resign all of them?
They move somebody around and then we'll kind of figure
out the rest. But you can't say you didn't support
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the star players like you can't. We can't have that
argument anymore when you know, Jamar Chase got the biggest
contract ever for a wide receiver, and they got t
Higgins resigned, and they now they went and got Hendrickson
resigned as well, and everybody is happy. But is there
anything left? Is there? Is there anything left for everybody else?
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Because that team, Yeah, they had the star guys last year,
but man, they had gaping holes on defense.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Yeah, and the turnaround with Hendrickson is that he had
requested a trade, but they still think they maybe able
to work something out with him. But to the point
of I mean, if he does get a deal, then
it's super top heavy. Like when I saw that the
Jordan Schultz reporter over the weekend that said that they
were going to come to terms with both an NFL
network had said things were heading that way, I thought
(27:35):
for sure that that Trey Hendrickson was going to be
the casualty in all of this, especially because he requested
a trade. Now, if they have all four of those
guys doing it, I guess you would want the guy
to get after the quarterback if you're going to be
scoring thirty eight points a game, because that's what the
other team possibly won't do. Led the NFL in sacks,
but the Bengals even with that couldn't stop anybody last year.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Well, I mean, it does mean that we know they're
gonna drafting defense and always drafting defense and offensive line,
nothing else, defense, defense line, and.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
You know what, like they so they drafted Jermaine Burton
in the third round and he has been a complete failure,
someone that they cannot rely on. Who's a theme throughout
this season that's a lot Tyler Boyd Tyler about It
was a nice piece for them, but extra for a
third wide receiver. So they've I feel like, in a
way like they've kind of felt like, all right, finding
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someone to on the cheap, to be number two to
number two to a Jamar Chase, maybe isn't as easy.
If we've got what we got and we can do it,
let's just do it now. They don't have to do that.
But I think they felt a little burned by what
Jermaine Burton didn't provide them this past season. That made
them think like, all right, we'll just pay T. Higgins
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and we'll go about it this way.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Yeah, Stet Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports for it.
What if they did just try it, they said, screw it,
let's just try to out score people.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
I think that's what they are.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
I mean, that's the I think they're gonna put a
lot of resource just towards defense. They're gonna try and
do what the kind of the Rams did right to
revamp their defense. And then and and they've done a
good job, which is just And the thing the Bengals
have done traditionally is they've drafted guys who have you know,
in the second third round, who were first round grade outs,
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and yet they've had some sort of issue, right if
they've had maybe there's a knee, maybe there's an off
the field, maybe there's a whatever. And you know, they've
taken some chances on guys and and the chance wasn't
on the talent, it's on something else. I think that's
what they end up doing. But yeah, I'm just saying,
like it, there is a world where you're right, Dan,
(29:40):
whether he just goes screw it, Let's go score fifty
a game, and hey, we may not win a championship
but only one team gets to win a championship. We
could be entertaining as hell. And I don't know, Like
part of me is like, yeah, I kind of yeah.
Like if they went all in on just offense and
analytics and never punting, right, we're not Nope, never punting. Nope,
We're gonna do do Madden, just do Maden. Put up
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crazy numbers, no huddle at all times. Right now, we're
getting silly.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Well, Doug to your point. After they went to the
Super Bowl, their first three picks in the twenty twenty
two draft were defensive players dB corner, defensive end. Their
first three picks in the twenty twenty three draft defensive end,
dB dB. Their first four picks again top three rounds.
They had two third rounders offensive line, defensive line, wide receiver,
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defensive line. So they've tried to do this. They've tried
to get younger on defense, knowing the pieces that they
had left via free agency. They have not been able
to fill those and so they haven't been great along
the defensive side. And that's an understatement. Lou Anarumo once
was a head coach candidate. Now we lost his job.
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It's not even there anymore. So they need just some resistance.
Just told somebody the twenty seven, that's all you have
to do. We'll score thirty thirty three and we'll be fine.
Do you feel like that though? Was kind of the
case last season. I mean they their offense was really
really good and then they ended up going what yeah,
whatever the record was. Yeah, that's kind of the point
in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Yeah, they also they also and again the record was bad.
How many games did they lose close on the last,
last second, last second drive?
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Right, so a loose games? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Yeah, So you're you're sitting there going like, yeah, we
weren't good defensively, but like we're literally a play away
here or there the other place. Here's what Burrow said,
You never know how somebody's career is going to work out.
So we might be together until the end of somebody's career,
or we might move on after that. But the next
four years, uh, you know what you're going to get
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from us, and we're gonna be right here. We're playing.
We're paying the right guys, Guys who work really hard
at what they have, Guys who aren't going to get
complacent or anything like that, Guys who really care about
the product on the field, and care about the fans,
in the organization, the people in the locker room. We've
got the right guys. Look, this is a real thing,
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and it does relate to college basketball, and it relates
to business as well. And I went to this business
oposium in June of last year. Was fascinating, and I
use the same idea with my team, which is with
somebody from the outside, you don't know if they fit
with your culture. You don't know who they are, you
don't the pluses, you don't know their flaws and oh yeah,
(32:25):
by the way, it costs more money to go reach
out and get somebody in free agency, as opposed to
if you know somebody's a dude, you know somebody's strength,
somebody's weaknesses, who they are in their worst day, You're
better off paying that guy. It might be a little
excessive on what the Bengals are doing, but there is
a philosophy behind it.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
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Speaker 1 (32:54):
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the meantime, let's get to the press, the press, Danbyer,
what you got, my friend? All right?
Speaker 2 (33:14):
I was gonna let it lie, but then I read
a headline that said the Bengals changed their stripes. It
offended me as someone who likes puns, especially because I
don't think they changed anything at all. I think they
did what they did. And the point I was gonna
make Doug when we took a time out was that
when you're losing games thirty eight to thirty three, thirty
five to thirty four, forty four to thirty eight, the
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side of that is, yeah, thirty eight points is way.
That's a lot of points for the offense. They shouldn't
be tasked with having to score thirty eight points and
still losing. You just need you need some resistance, You
need to stop something. But again, kudos to the Bengals
for trying. But they haven't changed any of their stripes.
Their stripes are still the same, which is why I
think we question it.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
Fair.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
All right, got that off my chest. The NFL, Doug, great.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
The more anything more you want to get off your chest.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
No, no, I a good job. I am. I am good.
The NFL will officially evaluate a proposal from the Packers
to ban the tush push, of course, made popular by
the Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
So where where when? Does when do we actually know
if they're going to ban these things?
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Or they yeah, it'll be it'll come up over the
next month or two in the league meetings. The ownership
will vote on those. Gosh. League meetings I think are
next week, I believe, so, I believe that there are
meetings at the end of March.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Okay, so here's a new rule. Okay, we have to
all like, okay, there's people in the league that don't
want it. Update me when I find out if they're
going to keep it and not keep it. Right. It's
so discussed, We discussed it all the time. It's like,
you know what it's like. It's like quarters in college basketball.
You know, college basketball is the only form of basketball
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men's college basketball that doesn't have quarters. But we get
people talking about it during games like, well, it's not
going to change now, just it's not really worth you
know what I mean. So we know that people want
it changed. Obviously, Eagles don't let's wait and see.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Detroit is asking for a couple of things. The lines
have requested that a defensive holding or in the legal
contact penalty not be an automatic first down. I, for one,
am for that. I agree on that call. Detroit is
also asking for a change that would allow playoff teams
to be seated by their record, not by whether if
they won their division.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
I'm against that, and I'll tell you why. I understand.
We've had some under five hundred teams win their division,
get you know, and be one of the top four seats.
The problem is that, and I use the NFC North
and the AFC West as perfect examples. The NFC North
was the best of it. Well, they played the softest
schedule in terms of the crossover divisions. So because schedules
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aren't like I think, you keep it as this.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
I would say this that the NFL, who prides themselves
on saying they have an even schedule. To Doug's point,
it isn't as much as you'd think. And I think
that there's a huge difference on when you play these teams. Sure,
say beginning of the season or end of the season.
Sure there's a lot, there's a lot at stake. So
the NFL, thinking that they haven't an even schedule is
(36:33):
anything but all right. It's get a couple of other notes.
Will Wade, set to leave McNeice after the NCAA tournaments,
would be the new head coach at NC State, according
to reports.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Have they made him a big ass offer?
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Very good, very good.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
What's interesting but that I was told a long time
ago that the Will will Wade coaching niche was a
two year deal. What's cool about Will Wade is I
don't know if you saw. He was asked at a
press confer earlier today, have you or anyone close to
you spoke at NC State? He's like, yeah, yeah, of course,
and my players have spoken to you know, agents and
(37:09):
other schools, like that's how it works. Yeah, refreshing.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Yeah, And he even said that he was going to
give the school two years so after this I think
he said it maybe after their conference tournament win as well.
And NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman admits the league is re
evaluating their future All Star Game festivities following the success
of the Four Nations face off earlier this year.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Four Nations face Off was cool, Let's just not go
crazy and again this is just like the NCAA women's
basketball thing, like, let's not go to neutral sites and
go crazy with domes and stuff. The hockey was awesome,
just let's not go crazy within the future.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
That's suppress bag, get out there and pressed.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
That was the press.
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Life out here. Let's get to the midway. It's not getting.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
It's time for.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
The Midway.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Okay. So we had a little it was a very
short back and forth on text earlier today, guys and
I wanted to throw out another idea for midway, and
I mean, in all honesty, it's going to be more
of a geek out session for me and Dan. So
I just again I start with that as the admittance. Okay,
So Jay Stu yours was what a celebrity bracket? Is
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that what you want to do?
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Oh no, no, no, I this Timmy year.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
You see a bunch of those ironic brackets, like in know,
worst haircut on a TV show and then they'll give
sixty five. There's just a bunch of those things. I
was just wondering to what if you've noticed anything that
you actually thought were pretty funny.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Okay. The other one I thought was the the I
saw that doctor pimple Popper. Somebody had her bracket on
the March Madness site like brackets. I didn't know I
needed to see. I've apparently seen this. It's it's almost
like seeing your parents naked. Like I didn't need to
see that. I could have I could have done with
that that right, The one that I was thinking of
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was your favorite your your favorite upset in the in
the in the first round. And I'll get to kind
of the least reason why, but just and and kind
of what you remember about that upset? So, Dan, I
think I know which one you're gonna pick up the three? Right,
you would pick the last one?
Speaker 3 (02:55):
You?
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Oh, I don't know what your three are all of
the topics. Yes, oh, I thought you were talking about
upsets in the NCAA tournament. Yeah, yeah, I'm totally fine.
I told Jason during the break, I was good to
talk about the coverage of the NCAA tournament, what I
love and hate about it. I think it's an interesting conversation.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
What do you I could do that one, Jace, do
you want to make final ruling? What do you want
to do?
Speaker 4 (03:20):
I mean, all these are good for me, So you
guys have at it.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Man, let's do the coverage thing, because I've actually covered
the tournament both radio and TV. I've worked for CBS
for five years cover the tournament, I've played in the tournament,
and then I've worked for Westwood One for the last
I don't know seven years covering the tournament. In the final four.
All right, so Dan, let me start with what you like.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
So I like the presentation of selection Sunday and how
it's done. The bracket There is no there is no
more dilly dallying at the top. They've got it down
to an hour. So you got to get these brackets
in and you got to get this interview with the
committee chair or in this year's case, vice chair as
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well within the sixty minutes. So when three o'clock local
time on the West Coast hit six o'clock Eastern, they
dive in. Everybody's there, and all of a sudden, boom,
a graphic is up. It's the number one overall seed
and we are offing running. I love that, and it
is boom boom, boom boom. It's thirty five minutes of
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amazing television in a sports in a sports realm. And
in fact, and listen, I've barstool I know kind of
did something like this this week. I've done this for
a decade, Doug, and I think I've said it on
the show about five times because draft lottery is up
there for me NFL Draft, but Selection show is the
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best non sporting sporting event that there is, and the
drama that they provide and how now CBS does it
in that thirty five minutes is amazing.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Okay, So then what don't you like?
Speaker 2 (04:58):
I don't like when Seth da gives all of his
upset picks during that sixty minute show. And I don't
know Seth Davis personally. In my interactions with him, He's
been fine, Doug. I know you know him a lot better.
I don't have a personal vendetta against Seth Davis, although
one time I brought him on and I kind of
(05:18):
pigeonholed him as a college basketball guy and he's like, well,
I cover all sports, so that may have been more
my bad, But that's the fun of making out your
bracket is to pick an upset and then you get
to tell people about it. He ruins it by picking
eight upsets, and he's had the bracket before anybody, So
it's just that really annoys me, and I'm actually glad
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I get to do the selection show during that time
because then I don't have to hear the upsets that
he's picked.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Well, I'll say this about Seth. He's a friend. I
disagree with a lot of his a lot of how
he does it. Now. Part of it is also how
it's produced right in that they you know, they like, hey,
let's just get your upsets in there, just throw them
in there. I think it's way too tight a show.
(06:10):
I don't think it needs to be it needs to
be an hour. I think it could be a lot longer,
and I think you can go through and talk about
the brackets and talk about the games and then have
some substance for why you're picking it. I think my
issue is Seth and his upset picks is I don't
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know if there's actually anything other than like, like, you
could find a stat if you want. But Seth's kind
of this curious. Wasn't a coach, not an insider, but
he's been doing it so long they were like, okay,
we'll go along with it, and he clearly knows what's
going on in the sport. I just I would like
a more substantive here's who I'm picking and why. Here's
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who I'm picking and why. And again, I think there's
plenty of time. You're the only ones with the bracket,
So keep the bracket at the end, give us more time,
go through the games and pick your upsets. And I
think that would be fascinating. I actually think you can
also do a alternate bracket, like if this then that right,
if there's a twelve five upset, well then I like
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this team. But if not the five wins and I
like this team in ears, what because of matchups and
so on so forth, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Right,
So yeah, but I would say, if I was gonna
pick on sets upsets it it would be why you
gotta give me a why, Like if I tell you,
I don't think I would state it's getting out the
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first weekend. It's not because I don't think always state's good.
I just think they're a totally different team like Kashauane
Gilbert just are well, you know, like those type of things,
which when I did the show, I would pick an
upset in a bracket just because I thought it was
gonna be an upset, because I thought you know, somebody
gets hurt or I like the team and that's it,
and you work it in with whatever your fifteen seconds
are on that game.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
I think that there's there's a way to massage it
in there. I think what makes that win in there? Yeah,
it's just it's like and then I like BYU to
the Elite eight, it just is like, Okay, hold on,
I'm just finding out who's in BYU's region. Yes, like
I need to hold on. Yeah, seriously hold on. It's
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not a good job, but I will say I was
that that was a pretty good imitation of me doing
my drop. I actually disagree with you where I think
that the radio job of the sixty minutes makes it
just for let's get the brackets in there, let's get
the questions, and then let's get out and then allows
the other entities US, ESPN, CBS Sports Network to now
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talk about it over the next three or four days.
That's what That's what I like about it.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
I I I agree that's what it does. If I
was running CBS, no way I would give that power
to everybody else. I just would. I want people to
watch the Slash show. I want to what they're gonna
watch till the end, and I'm gonna I'm gonna take
my sweet time and I'm gonna, you know, I don't
care about the the video of the team getting in
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the celebration, like I know, that's it's.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Especially when they're already in. Like I like the bubble
ones where it's like they haven't shared yet. That's because
half the brackets now it's nervous time.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Yeah, I would also hold the bubble ones until the
very end, you know, hold the first four until the
very end, leave those blank and then at the very end,
and then I think that the hard part is during
the games and covering the games when you have people
that don't cover college basketball. And I understand that that's
(09:33):
you know, Turner is going to start to have more
college sports. But some of their guys, you know, I
think you like stan Ben Gundy. He was calling a
game Thursday night. I was I was watching last Thursday,
I was watching an NBA game. I flipped over for
a second. He's calling it, and I'm like, why didn't
somebody put him on a college basketball tournament so that
he you know, because when you're in a tournament, you
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talk to all the coaches, you get a better feel
you make connections, and I just I think everybody feels
that way about it now. I will say that CBS,
the CBS guys, they're better now than when I first
started there, because when I first started there, they didn't
have a lot of games on CBS Sports Network, and
because of it, they had, you know, you had guys
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who were CBS guys that had called you know, a
handful of games all year, and they called NBA games
rest of the year, and they really seemed to not
be kind of in the weeds of college basketball, not
that you have to be, but especially now with where
you have, you know, multiple transfers and you got to
tell stories and why guy was in the transfer portal,
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what it was like like those stories are what what
draws people in, what draws people in, and I think
the job of a broadcaster as a storyteller. I also
I do think they're played by play guys are outstanding.
I've worked with several of them. They're you know, and
all the play by play guys are really really good.
And so uh yeah, I means, now, what about like
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a hybrid of the Midway?
Speaker 2 (11:04):
If I were to say, well, can I just ask
Jason and Sam, do you have broadcast stuff, are you guys?
I don't.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
I don't think what Doug was just describing. I never
thought that was fair to the actual analyst. Like if
you asked Charles Barkley, in all honesty, do you like
doing it? He might be like, yeah, it's a change
of pace. I'm just worn out of my NBA by
that time. It's a change of pace for me. Well,
that doesn't really serve the viewer, because like seeing a
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guy that's not prepared, knowing he's not prepared and he's
just kind of winging it. I don't know how that
maximizes your broadcast. I don't think it's fair to the viewer.
I don't think it's fair to the person that you're
putting in that position. I thought it was an odd
decision back then. I just asked Sam if they're still
doing that, and I googled it, and I'm good at
the Google. Sam isn't. And it looks like Barkley's going
(11:54):
to be doing this tournament, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Yeah, I don't think that's fair to him, to him
or the viewer, Yeah, yeah, that's fair. I mean, look,
I think that once Sparkley gets into the sweet sixteen
and they have a better feel for feel for the
games and the stories whatever. I think. Then the entertainment
and they've done a good job. And now putting Clark
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Kellogg with those guys too, and Clark, I mean, Clark
knows a lot and shares a lot with them, but
I generally think, yeah, it's a that's a hard point.
And Fox used to have that, you er win Fox
before they had college football, they had a couple of
bowl games. I want to say, Jimmy Johnson covered the
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Cotton Bowl one year, yes, and it was so uncomfortable,
so uncomfortable, and Jimmy Jwnes was a great college football coach.
But like, you didn't cover college football, so you don't
have those reference points. You just don't. I actually, when
I was a kid, my dad would pull me out
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of school and I would go down to go down
to it. There's a sports bar, and I think it
was in Costa Mesa, and we could it had all
the big satellites so we could watch all the games.
I don't think that's necessary now. Like with my son,
he's in spring break now, but when he's in school,
like they all watch it on their chromebooks and they
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watched on their phones. You don't actually have to get it.
It's kind of My point is the ease by which
you can get a sporting event on a telephone, the
fact that every kid middle school above has a has
a has a cell phone. It takes away the old
national holiday where the kid was always coming down with
some sort of flu or or throat issue on a
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Thursday and Friday of the tournament. It's almost too easy
to get every game.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
I'll tell you. One of my earliest memories was was
it Ball State in Oregon State? Watching it in my
junior high school library where Rick majeris in Ball State
upset Gary Payton and Oregon State in the NCAA tournament.
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Watching it on one of the TVs on the big
carts that they would wheel into your room. The librarian
let us put the games on during our study haul
and we got to see Ball State upset Oregon State.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Ball State was coached by Rick bageris too right?
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Yeah that's what you said, yep, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Midw I remember It's funny that that yesterday we had
Brendon Heyward on Hayward On, and he was talking about
when Harold the show Arsenal lit them up. I thought
that was great. Uh, it's also the names that you
remember right now, Ali Fruckminesh memorable. When he's at Northern
he was my classmate now yeah, now he's at Colorado
(14:48):
State as an assistant.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
You went to the same high school, Sam, Yeah, me,
and he was a couple of years younger than me.
But I think he when I was a senior, he
was like a sophomore. But yeah, uh, we had a
lot of mutual friends.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Well it was your class mate. He wasn't in the
same class as you were, even actually the same class.
Speaker 5 (15:04):
Okay, this is what you do, Doug. You dig down
on something that's not important. He was in he was
a classmate. Like, he's a high school classmate. He doesn't
have to be in my class. I'm actually I'm a
I'm on Sam's side on this.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Yeah, Like, oh yeah, Jay Stu.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
I think if you went to the same school and
the uh just kind of fudge together. Yeah, I think
I think it's in play.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Yeah, with that, it's in play. But would that be
a true like classmate is well, you didn't say friends,
Fred Lee.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
He's a he's a he's a went to the high school.
He's an associated I actually, okay, colleague.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
So so Deshaun Foster. We had him on UCLA's head coach.
Now we I loosely teammates. Here's how he was a freshman.
I was a senior. Okay, uh for the playoffs. I
think he got to dress and got to warm.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Up with this.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
I think he was on technically on the team. I
don't remember if he if he dressed in the playoff games.
I want to say he was at practice, and so
that's how I remember it. But if I said, like,
he's my teammate, like he doesn't appear in any team picture, right,
So that would be lying and he wouldn't really be
(16:13):
a classmate even though he went to the same high school.
I would just say we went to the same high school.
Speaker 5 (16:18):
Sure, all right, well, but just just for the sake
of simplicity and time, I just said classmate.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
I think actually I think that's fair. And I commend Sam,
who I thought would go the other way, like like
I would say that Sam would have said, like he's
a friend, you know, when maybe he wasn't. But he
not only said not only is he not in the quaintance, Yeah,
he's just a classmate. That's a good word. Thought it
was good.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
Because we have a very close mutual friend guy named RJ.
So we're kind of like two ven diagrams. We were
on the rings from the outside and our buddy RJ
was in the middle.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Yeah, that's good, We're good. Ay. He's always a point
of pride for us. Ali furrokmini Ish.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
I remember when I was a junior in high school,
Ucla played Tulsa and Tulsa smoked him. Pooh Williamson was
their point guard. Shay Seals was their best player. And
this is the year before UCLA won the national championship.
They played in Oklahoma City, I believe was where the
(17:15):
where the first and second round was, and they asked,
I think they asked Ed O'Bannon, do you know where
Tulsa is? And he's like, I got no idea. I
got no idea. They're like, yeah, it's like an hour
and a half from here. Whatever. Anyway, that was like
kind of the calling card. But I remember that game distinctly.
(17:36):
And then of course the next year it was the
second game, second round when and I think yesterday was
the anniversary of it, right, the Tayas Edney four point
eight seconds length of the court shoots the layup, otherwise
they lose that game in the second round to Missouri,
which was in Boise. And of course I think Dan
and I are aligned on this one. The reason everybody
(17:56):
remembers it was in Boise was because they had everybody
got to keep their traditional home courts, yes, and which
now I think Albertson Arena is that what it is?
Speaker 4 (18:06):
It?
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Yeah, it sounds about right.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
They may have changed names. I could be wrong. I
apologize to our affiliate and Poise, but now they have
to do these standard courts and they just say the
name of the site at the end of the court.
And I think most of us traditionalists like the keep
a court.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Why not, Well, it's funny to look back because it
really is an old look when you look at the
old courts. Funny story about that game. Me and my
buddies from high school who were friends, a group of us.
We're in Austin, Texas for the NCAA tournament first and
second rounds. They announced on the PA at the old
Frank Irwin Center that Missouri beat UCLA seventy four to
(18:45):
sixty five. So we're all I call my goodness Arkansas
was in the bracket. They were in our region, their
fans were there, you know, a big gasp, and then
they had to come on and say correction, UCLA won
seventy five seventy four. They had got the score wrong.
I'll never forget that, But you're right. Personalized courts. Remember
when the NCUBA didn't even decipher. They just were all
(19:08):
black with the city name in blue, and it ruined
highlights because of what Doug is talking about. We remember
the Tya Sidney for the greatness of it, but the
court sure as heck helps a lot. Danny Aing's going
coast to coast in Atlanta at the Omni for BYU
against Notre Dame is one that I'll never forget. James Forrest,
(19:30):
I remember hitting the shot because I was there in
Milwaukee at the old Bradley Center Green Court. But there
was that time where the NCUBA tried to generalize all
the courts and make them all the same, and it
ruined it because every game looked identical and it kind
of took away from capturing some of those moments. Now
they look similar, but there's different coloring around. Yeah. Yeah,
(19:51):
speaking of borders on courts, because That's what I addressed there.
Really annoyed by ESPN putting this border around the screen.
I know they don't care about college basketball and that
the women's college basketball Tournament is their entity, but I
don't know how many times I've looked up over the
past time days the scores or just looking at the
matchups and I'm like, wait, Utah is not in the
(20:13):
NCAA tournament. Yeah, and then I'm looking like, I listen,
the women's game is taken off. You guys have your opinion.
Sam loves it. I know you and Jay maybe aren't
the biggest of fans. I get it. I'm whatever about it,
but there's no way you could go fifty to fifty
on that information. No, just can't do it. It's stupid.
You gotta cycle through the men's tournament.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
It's so disingenuous.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
Yes, yes, how about this? I think Doug didn't I
want to say, you sent me a reel of a
comedian has an entire bit about this, how he looked
up that Richmond beat Duke and he's like, whoa, whoa,
my brackets screwed up. And then and then he just
went off on women's sports. I gotta find that another.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
That Bilberg has a new one where he talks about
how much smarter. But are the men yet? You know,
men have so dominated the world and it's just got
to make them so upset. But why don't women support
the w NBA, right, Like, why don't feminist support It's
it's wildly, wildly entertained.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Well, and I'll even even say this, I mean, you know,
our parties to be at Fox Sports one. I wish
they would do more with college basketball during this week.
So one week thing. It's like when you have square
dancing and gym just if you don't like it, okay,
deal with it. Spring on people. I understand the NFL
is busy. Oh yeah, in elementary school, like one week
you had to do square dancing, you had to do
(21:35):
the parachute thing for balls and stuff, stuff like that,
Like it wasn't like a normal gym class.
Speaker 5 (21:42):
But maybe those little scooters you'd sit on your push
yourself around with your legs.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
And maybe it's more of a hockey thing where it's like, okay,
well we never talk about hockey, so why would we now.
Maybe they're taking like that approach, but I tip the
cap the CBS Sports Networks they are all in. I
like their personalities. I think they've got really good personalities
and talking about the colleg game I think to do.
I think they do a great job.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
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Speaker 2 (22:56):
We'll see just says he's joining the staff. Multiple interviewed
for multiple jobs, but now makes them move back to college.
Don't have a specific title for Byron left Wich.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Is he the assistant to the regional manager?
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Is that it is? Maybe we'll be the assistant regional manager.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Assistant to the assistant to the assistant to the regional
regional manager. Still got leave show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, well,
let's talk sin Byron left Wich. Good a little jumping
off point. Let's talk Joe Burrow. No, Joe Burrow is
much better than Byron left Which. But the point is
that both AFC quarterbacks there you go, left Which never
(23:35):
was in a Super Bowl. But regardless, both had kind
of heroic figures in college, Burrow for winning a national championship,
maybe the best season ever and Byron left which being
carried down the field with a bad ankle when he
was at Marshall. So Joe Burrow said, hey, man, I'll
take less money or we move some money around. I
want my guys back, and he got them all back.
(24:00):
Joe Burrow said, they signed the right guys, the right guys.
I guess the question is now that you have your
best defensive player resigned, your two star wide receivers resigned,
and you have a new contract the Bengals have any
money left to go and you know, build a defense
(24:21):
since they didn't have one last year. That's the question.
I'll say this about the Bengals. Yes, they had the
reputation of being cheap, but the other reputation they actually
have inside the NFL is of resigning their own guys.
Their cheapness is in some of the ancillary stuff. Right,
(24:43):
there's the old stories of they didn't have new towels
in their facility and some other things. But they don't
their spend thrifts in free agency, not with their own guys,
like Carson Palmer had the biggest contract in the history
of the sport, and then towards knee and of course
then he got into a tiff with the with the team.
(25:04):
But it's not as surprising to me. I just I
think this is a great grand experiment, right the Aaron
Rodgers older quarterback come in. I'm gonna stabilize things. I'm
gonna pick my guys other people don't think are as
good as like that didn't work with the New York Jets,
But I'm interested in this one and whether or not
this will work with the Cincinnati Begels. He's not picking
(25:26):
new groceries. He's not picking new teammates. What he's saying is, hey,
let's move somebody around, money around, and make sure we
keep the top guys.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Byer.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
You think it works.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
I don't know if it does. I am a skeptic, however,
and I'm not sitting on the fence on this. I
got a lot of reasons and points to make while
it's why it won't work, but I do at least
like the fact that a team is thinking different than
what we think of now in the normal NFL, where
(25:59):
they're so much the same of everything and trying to
make decisions, They're going about it a different way that
they think can help them. I don't think that's necessarily
going to work, but I at least commend them for
being like, all right, this is the way we're going
to go. Not everybody does it this way, and we're
going to see if it works. So I tip my
(26:20):
cap and say good luck.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
I agree that that's actually a much smarter way of
putting what I said into words, which is, again, I
don't know if that works. Where you're like, all right,
who are four best players? All right, resign all of them?
They move somebody around and then we'll kind of figure
out the rest. But you can't say you didn't support
(26:44):
the star players like you can't. We can't have that
argument anymore when you know, Jamar Chase got the biggest
contract ever for a wide receiver, and they got t
Higgins resigned, and they now they went and got Hendrickson
resigned as well, and everybody is happy. But is there
anything left? Is there? Is there anything left for everybody else?
(27:07):
Because that team, Yeah, they had the star guys last year,
but man, they had gaping holes on defense.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Yeah, and the turnaround with Hendrickson is that he had
requested a trade, but they still think they maybe able
to work something out with him. But to the point
of I mean, if he does get a deal, then
it's super top heavy. Like when I saw that the
Jordan Schultz reporter over the weekend that said that they
were going to come to terms with both an NFL
network had said things were heading that way, I thought
(27:35):
for sure that that Trey Hendrickson was going to be
the casualty in all of this, especially because he requested
a trade. Now, if they have all four of those
guys doing it, I guess you would want the guy
to get after the quarterback if you're going to be
scoring thirty eight points a game, because that's what the
other team possibly won't do. Led the NFL in sacks,
but the Bengals even with that couldn't stop anybody last year.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Well, I mean, it does mean that we know they're
gonna drafting defense and always drafting defense and offensive line,
nothing else, defense, defense line, and.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
You know what, like they so they drafted Jermaine Burton
in the third round and he has been a complete failure,
someone that they cannot rely on. Who's a theme throughout
this season that's a lot Tyler Boyd Tyler about It
was a nice piece for them, but extra for a
third wide receiver. So they've I feel like, in a
way like they've kind of felt like, all right, finding
(28:26):
someone to on the cheap, to be number two to
number two to a Jamar Chase, maybe isn't as easy.
If we've got what we got and we can do it,
let's just do it now. They don't have to do that.
But I think they felt a little burned by what
Jermaine Burton didn't provide them this past season. That made
them think like, all right, we'll just pay T. Higgins
(28:46):
and we'll go about it this way.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Yeah, Stet Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports for it.
What if they did just try it, they said, screw it,
let's just try to out score people.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
I think that's what they are.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
I mean, that's the I think they're gonna put a
lot of resource just towards defense. They're gonna try and
do what the kind of the Rams did right to
revamp their defense. And then and and they've done a
good job, which is just And the thing the Bengals
have done traditionally is they've drafted guys who have you know,
in the second third round, who were first round grade outs,
(29:18):
and yet they've had some sort of issue, right if
they've had maybe there's a knee, maybe there's an off
the field, maybe there's a whatever. And you know, they've
taken some chances on guys and and the chance wasn't
on the talent, it's on something else. I think that's
what they end up doing. But yeah, I'm just saying,
like it, there is a world where you're right, Dan,
(29:40):
whether he just goes screw it, Let's go score fifty
a game, and hey, we may not win a championship
but only one team gets to win a championship. We
could be entertaining as hell. And I don't know, Like
part of me is like, yeah, I kind of yeah.
Like if they went all in on just offense and
analytics and never punting, right, we're not Nope, never punting. Nope,
We're gonna do do Madden, just do Maden. Put up
(30:03):
crazy numbers, no huddle at all times. Right now, we're
getting silly.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Well, Doug to your point. After they went to the
Super Bowl, their first three picks in the twenty twenty
two draft were defensive players dB corner, defensive end. Their
first three picks in the twenty twenty three draft defensive end,
dB dB. Their first four picks again top three rounds.
They had two third rounders offensive line, defensive line, wide receiver,
(30:31):
defensive line. So they've tried to do this. They've tried
to get younger on defense, knowing the pieces that they
had left via free agency. They have not been able
to fill those and so they haven't been great along
the defensive side. And that's an understatement. Lou Anarumo once
was a head coach candidate. Now we lost his job.
(30:53):
It's not even there anymore. So they need just some resistance.
Just told somebody the twenty seven, that's all you have
to do. We'll score thirty thirty three and we'll be fine.
Do you feel like that though? Was kind of the
case last season. I mean they their offense was really
really good and then they ended up going what yeah,
whatever the record was. Yeah, that's kind of the point
in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Yeah, they also they also and again the record was bad.
How many games did they lose close on the last,
last second, last second drive?
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Right, so a loose games? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Yeah, So you're you're sitting there going like, yeah, we
weren't good defensively, but like we're literally a play away
here or there the other place. Here's what Burrow said,
You never know how somebody's career is going to work out.
So we might be together until the end of somebody's career,
or we might move on after that. But the next
four years, uh, you know what you're going to get
(31:45):
from us, and we're gonna be right here. We're playing.
We're paying the right guys, Guys who work really hard
at what they have, Guys who aren't going to get
complacent or anything like that, Guys who really care about
the product on the field, and care about the fans,
in the organization, the people in the locker room. We've
got the right guys. Look, this is a real thing,
(32:05):
and it does relate to college basketball, and it relates
to business as well. And I went to this business
oposium in June of last year. Was fascinating, and I
use the same idea with my team, which is with
somebody from the outside, you don't know if they fit
with your culture. You don't know who they are, you
don't the pluses, you don't know their flaws and oh yeah,
(32:25):
by the way, it costs more money to go reach
out and get somebody in free agency, as opposed to
if you know somebody's a dude, you know somebody's strength,
somebody's weaknesses, who they are in their worst day, You're
better off paying that guy. It might be a little
excessive on what the Bengals are doing, but there is
a philosophy behind it.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
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Speaker 1 (32:54):
Steut Gottlieb Show Fox Sports Radio. We're leading you up
to the second day of the first four give you
kel picks at the end of the show for in
the meantime, let's get to the press, the press, Danbyer,
what you got, my friend? All right?
Speaker 2 (33:14):
I was gonna let it lie, but then I read
a headline that said the Bengals changed their stripes. It
offended me as someone who likes puns, especially because I
don't think they changed anything at all. I think they
did what they did. And the point I was gonna
make Doug when we took a time out was that
when you're losing games thirty eight to thirty three, thirty
five to thirty four, forty four to thirty eight, the
(33:38):
side of that is, yeah, thirty eight points is way.
That's a lot of points for the offense. They shouldn't
be tasked with having to score thirty eight points and
still losing. You just need you need some resistance, You
need to stop something. But again, kudos to the Bengals
for trying. But they haven't changed any of their stripes.
Their stripes are still the same, which is why I
think we question it.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
Fair.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
All right, got that off my chest. The NFL, Doug, great.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
The more anything more you want to get off your chest.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
No, no, I a good job. I am. I am good.
The NFL will officially evaluate a proposal from the Packers
to ban the tush push, of course, made popular by
the Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
So where where when? Does when do we actually know
if they're going to ban these things?
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Or they yeah, it'll be it'll come up over the
next month or two in the league meetings. The ownership
will vote on those. Gosh. League meetings I think are
next week, I believe, so, I believe that there are
meetings at the end of March.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Okay, so here's a new rule. Okay, we have to
all like, okay, there's people in the league that don't
want it. Update me when I find out if they're
going to keep it and not keep it. Right. It's
so discussed, We discussed it all the time. It's like,
you know what it's like. It's like quarters in college basketball.
You know, college basketball is the only form of basketball
(35:06):
men's college basketball that doesn't have quarters. But we get
people talking about it during games like, well, it's not
going to change now, just it's not really worth you
know what I mean. So we know that people want
it changed. Obviously, Eagles don't let's wait and see.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Detroit is asking for a couple of things. The lines
have requested that a defensive holding or in the legal
contact penalty not be an automatic first down. I, for one,
am for that. I agree on that call. Detroit is
also asking for a change that would allow playoff teams
to be seated by their record, not by whether if
they won their division.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
I'm against that, and I'll tell you why. I understand.
We've had some under five hundred teams win their division,
get you know, and be one of the top four seats.
The problem is that, and I use the NFC North
and the AFC West as perfect examples. The NFC North
was the best of it. Well, they played the softest
schedule in terms of the crossover divisions. So because schedules
(36:05):
aren't like I think, you keep it as this.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
I would say this that the NFL, who prides themselves
on saying they have an even schedule. To Doug's point,
it isn't as much as you'd think. And I think
that there's a huge difference on when you play these teams. Sure,
say beginning of the season or end of the season.
Sure there's a lot, there's a lot at stake. So
the NFL, thinking that they haven't an even schedule is
(36:33):
anything but all right. It's get a couple of other notes.
Will Wade, set to leave McNeice after the NCAA tournaments,
would be the new head coach at NC State, according
to reports.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Have they made him a big ass offer?
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Very good, very good.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
What's interesting but that I was told a long time
ago that the Will will Wade coaching niche was a
two year deal. What's cool about Will Wade is I
don't know if you saw. He was asked at a
press confer earlier today, have you or anyone close to
you spoke at NC State? He's like, yeah, yeah, of course,
and my players have spoken to you know, agents and
(37:09):
other schools, like that's how it works. Yeah, refreshing.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Yeah, And he even said that he was going to
give the school two years so after this I think
he said it maybe after their conference tournament win as well.
And NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman admits the league is re
evaluating their future All Star Game festivities following the success
of the Four Nations face off earlier this year.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Four Nations face Off was cool, Let's just not go
crazy and again this is just like the NCAA women's
basketball thing, like, let's not go to neutral sites and
go crazy with domes and stuff. The hockey was awesome,
just let's not go crazy within the future.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
That's suppress bag, get out there and pressed.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
That was the press.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
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