September 7, 2020 • 39 mins
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You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. You know, George, I
just realized that we were robbed of something tonight. There
would have been a lot of Saucy Nugs signs in
Denver for the Nuggets Clippers game. In Game three, I
guarantee there would have been at least at least five
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Saucy Nugs signs and uh at least three references in
tonight's broadcast. But instead they're gonna play in a bubble
where the Nuggets really don't have a home court. I
feel robbed about that. That's funny because due to players
in the bubble even know what what Saucy Nugs are.
That's a good point. I would hope they would have Internet,
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but maybe they're also just trying to figure out what,
uh you know, how to bide their time, so they
would have had to have seen Saucy nugs. Oh man,
we got some saucy nugs for you over the next
four hours or so. Here on Fox Sports Radio, George
and I have got you covered on this Labor Day.
David Gascon's at the news desk bringing U saw the information.
He will also be joining us later this hour to
play a game. Ryan Music running this show. Chris is
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gonna be out with us for a little while. Then
Ryan will move in as our technical producer. But a
lot to get to and and while we may have
changing names and faces, one name and facing, the NBA
has been there for a long long time, and it's
been on top for a long long time. And there
there are moments when you just you just kind of
have something hitting you in your face. Maybe you've been
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taking it for granted too long, but that's how I
felt last night with Lebron James and his effort against
the Houston Rockets. And it's not it wasn't a a
hercule lean effort from Lebron James. But when you and
I were doing the show yesterday, George, we were on
during the Bucks heat game that went to overtime that
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Milwaukee ended up winning, and Jannis Antenna goopbo had to
leave the game because of his ankle injury and didn't
return in the second half, and the Bucks found a
way to win that game. And we talked about Janice
and we talked about how the Bucks have been able
to to keep in check. And we look at the
Clippers Nuggets series, and we look at the Clippers games
throughout the bubble and we say, man, Paul George is here,
sometimes that he's not there. Then he says he wasn't
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locked in because of the bubble, uh excuses. Maybe the
point being this is that Lebron James not only just
continues to do it, he does it at the highest
level and now has done it for what seventeen eighteen
years in the NBA. Yeah, I mean it is. It
is truly remarkable. And in eleven and nine line with
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four steals is is very lebron esque. But when you
look at like the growth that that you know Janice
has tried to take for the Bucks and where he is,
and we see what Kauai does on a night in
a night out, basis to think that Lebron James continues
to do this after those seventeen years or in the
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seventeen years, it's truly, truly remarkable to see that the
efforts that that he is putting up, and last night,
for some reason, it just hit me in the face
where it's just like, man, this guy not only is
he doing it, he's doing it in his seventeenth season,
and he is doing it against one of the you know,
most prolific scores, uh that we've seen in the NBA
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in recent years, and James Harden. We've seen a Rockets
team play better defense. But it's just it's just amazing
to see what Lebron has done. And last night it
hit me smack dab in the face. Yeah, that makes
sense because we talked about it last week, where you
get greatness fatigue that over the course of this dude's career,
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he has been absolutely fantastic and by far the best
player in the n b A. And it was so
like after Kobe really was injured and then declining, there
wasn't too many players that even could be on the
same court as him, Like there was like four or
five players who could be on the same court as
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this dude. And now that the number of people who
deserve to be on the court with him has grown,
but he's still arguably the best player in the league.
And it's just like last night when you saw it.
If I told you that any other player in the
league not named Lebron James twenty eight points, eleven rebounds,
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nine assists, four stills and two blocks, you'd be like, wow,
that boy co like that hell of a game, like like,
where's the commercial? But but then I tell you it's
Lebron James, You're like, oh, okay, it's so amazing that
what he's done and continues to do just doesn't amaze
you anymore. That's the I think that that's probably the true,
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the truest testament of greatness, right when when you do
the extraordinary and people think that it's ordinary, when this
is what you regularly do, Like this is a Lebron
James game. And I remember when he caught one of
the libs last last night. It kind of started when
he dunked on Westbrook in Game one, and then he
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caught two lives yesterday and I saw still photo of it.
This dude has an actual like a bald spot. He's
seventeen years He caught a lib at the top of
the square looking into the basket, year seventeen and it's
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just like, this dude's just built different. He's just built
Ford tough. I mean, this dude is just it's amazing.
I was talking to my wife last last night. Dan,
I said the most amazing thing about Lebron James. I mean,
and I know that some people are like, oh, they're
just they're just of and on Lebron James too much. No,
you have to give people their flowers while they are here.
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And earlier in his career I didn't really truly appreciate
it because I thought he had to mature, with which
he did. But Dan, the fact that he came in
with so much pomp and circumstances, so much hype surrounding
how the chosen one, how great he was gonna be,
and he actually lived up to and has exceeded those expectations,
I think is the most important thing about him in
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his career cover of Sports illustrated when he was in
high school, I mean, and and to now continue that
and to put him in the conversation it was even
magnified more for me today on le Bronze greatness, because
I think that there are very few athletes that we
can talk about in this sort of conversation with the
the absolute dominance of their game at this age. And
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and listen, there were people in in in the NBA
and in the NBA circles that we've heard over the
last month or two that have said Lebron hadn't been
playing great for the Lakers, that that Lebron wasn't the
same Lebron as of old. And so those conversations start
popping up, and we saw what he did last night
putting those things to rest. And again when it comes
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to the playoff time, when it comes to a game
to situation where you need to be get that win
to be back in the series, Lebron was there. But
I'm also within the last thirty minutes or so, Serena
Williams just one or round of sixteen match at the
US Open. And it's the twelve straight year that Serena
has made it to the quarterfinals of the US Open.
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And you think about that when you have when you
have tennis players who will break in at the age
of sixteen years old and be, you know, be the
next great thing. And then Lindsay davenpoor Martina Hinge is
like those people. Yeah, and and you're just like, Okay, Wow,
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you know, Coco Goff. You know, I can't think it
was the last year when you kind of you know,
grabbed the tension of everyone. You're like, wow, this is
this is you know, our next generation. But she's sixteen,
and so then you add twelve years onto that and
you say to yourself, okay, twenty eight. Sometimes with these
with tennis players, they're greatness is peaked maybe in their
early twenties, and they get into their late twenties and
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early thirties, there's no more career left. And Serena is
gonna be thirty nine years old at the end of
the month. And to think that her dominance like how
many generations. And it's the same thing with Lebron now
in his seventeen season, Like Serena played a player today
who probably was like twenty two years old, was like
the fifteen seed, and you think about that, this is
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probably the height of where that opponent will be, like
she is at the top of her game, and here
Serena is at thirty eight years and eleven months beating
her and and and that to me is is just
it's so amazing because how many athletes in their prime,
whether peak is maybe two years or three years, and
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or in the NBA it's five seven years where the
players come and they go away, and Lebron is just
always there or Serena is just always there there. It's
just we've gotta have appreciation all of these athletes in
doing so at such a high level. It's just it's
absolutely amazing to me to think of all of the
tennis players that have come through the game of tennis
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that have peaked and then went away, while Serena has
just stayed at the top. And I think it's the
same thing with Lebron James. Let me give you this,
this stat about Serena. She won her first major, not
her first match, her first major in nineteen nine. Me
and Serena are the same age, born in the same year. Okay,
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here here, I'm gonna put Lebron James, Serena Williams in
perspective for you, and because this is the way that
I look at it, nineteen we are the same age.
Mind you, She'll be thirty thirty nine. I'm thirty nine
already born. I was going to I was checking in
at the University of Oregon. In nine she won the
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US Open, like but in the summer between when I
graduated and when I actually showed up at college, and
we're the same age. Okay, she is still playing. She
lost the US Open in the final last year. She
last won a major seventeen and has been in four
more since. All Right, that's almost all of them that
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she's been in the finals. And then fast forward to
Lebron James. Do you know what year Lebron James was
was drafted two thousand three? Do you know what year
George Reister was drafted two thousand three? Yes? So when
I look at Lebron james career, I look at my
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own life and I'm saying, wow, I look at the
things that I can no longer do athletically and the
things that this man is out here doing. We came
in the same year I had. I had a longer
than average career I had, I got six credited seasons,
had had a cup of coffee in New York, stopped
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in Vegas, playing in the UFL for a second, have
owned a cupcake business, owned a uh A, a clothing
store Boughton. So soul Thows gone on to have a
radio career, TV career, all of this, and and this
dude is still playing. It's and not just playing. I mean,
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like he's not you know, Udonis Haslem at the end
of the bench, or Tyson Chandler, who I played against
in high school as well, at the end of the bench. No,
I mean like even the great players that I played
against and within high school. Like a guy who's a
friend of mine, Gilbert Raynis. We came out same year.
Uh he actually went into the draft the year before,
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the same year in high school. We're the same age.
We're we're out at our kids practice two together, like
like old man in trying to trying to play hoops
or something. It's crazy, how just dominant this dude still is.
He's not just a guy, He's still the guy and
and just doing it again. And how many generations of
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guys have you know, circled in And the same thing
with the women's tennis players, of how many careers have
already you know, if if started and then ended during
the rag arena. And it's the same thing with Lebron
of how many guys came in peaked and then you know,
like you know, and I'll just take someone like Derrick Rose,
for for example, who's still playing in the NBA, but
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you know, robbed because of of knee injuries and the
the inability to stay healthy. But you know, Derrick Rose
enters the NBA in two thousand and eight, is of
you know, after his freshman year at Memphis wins an
m v P. Is a top seed. You know, runs
into some of those Lebron teams as well during that time,
but like, you know, he takes someone like Derrick Rose
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and like, all right, Derrick Rose has maybe got a
few years you know left if that in his NBA career,
and it's i mean, you know, and Derrick Ross was
thought to be you know, the man at one point
and and maybe the future of the NBA, being the
first overall pick, and you just you have that all
in the window of Lebron just coasting along on that
top line and that that you know, that the the
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the freeway where there is so little traffic because nobody
is there in any of the cars that are there
are only there maybe five or six years, and Lebron
has been there for seventeen years. And it's the same
thing with Serena now twenty plus years that she's been
doing it. It's just truly truly amazing and the whole
honest thing. George's what what hit me in the faces,
because Janice has made such great strides like throughout his career,
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considering where he was and what he is now, it's
a tremendous, tremendous increase and kudo should be given to
the honest for how he has transformed himself into a
world class basketball player. But we're still picking him apart
and saying he needs to do it's better, he needs
to do that better. While Lebron James has just been
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going along and you see the gaps between the two.
And while Jannest may win the m v P again
for the second straight year, you know Jhannest could only
dream of doing the things that Lebron was doing, and
Lebron's doing them at the age of thirty five. It's
just crazy, absolutely crazy. And that's where perspective really matters.
Because Jordan's first three years in the playoffs, he only
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won one playoff game, one playoff game, got got swept twice,
and won one playoff game. Granted, he was clearly the
best player on the floor for a lot of those games,
his team was just not built right. He was going
up against the Celtics and and some other teams. It
was just juggernauts right uh and up that he was
up against, So that matters. But and Lebron early in
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his career was able to take the Calves all the
way to the finals and they were just outmatched by
the San Antonio Spurs. I mean it was just a
they didn't have a chance. And when you look at
the way that players have to develop their games and
change them, that's where the true testament of greatness comes.
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Because Jannice it projects really well. But if he doesn't
fix being able to shoot the basketball better, which Lebron
didn't shoot the ball well, even though he shot it
better than Yanna shoots it. At this point point in time,
if Janice doesn't fix that part of his game and
develop into a full player, I mean, granted he doesn't
have to be you know, Steph Curry, he's just gotta
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be respected out at the line. If if you don't,
it changes the trajectory of your career to from one
of the potentially the best of all time to just
you know, like you turned into team at which there's
nothing wrong with being team at, Like there's nothing wrong
with being Charles Barkley, but there is a different There's
a rare air that's above that. He's George rice Stir,
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six year NFL AT I'm Dan Buyer. We are both
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Get George on Twitter at George rice Stir. I'm at
Dan Buyer on Fox. Coming up next, how close is
Colin Kaepertick to returning to the National Football League. We'll
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and you can also find him on Twitter at NFL
Underscore Doug Ferrars. Doug Farrar will be joining us as
the NFL season Crazy to Think George just three days
away from games counting in the NFL, Right, dude, crazy
antsy draft is until Wednesday. They pushed that thing all
the way back because, uh, because it's a pretty expensive league.
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And he said, we'll just wait until we know for
sure this thing is gonna kick off. And I don't
know how. I mean, I guess we could have drafted
on Thursday morning. I mean, hey, why not. We're gonna
wait till, like, you know, an hour before kickoff. Then
everybody's you know, it's safe. That's a could have done
that as well. Man, you guys are pushing it to
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the max. There is no doubt about that. Chiefs of
Texans on Thursday. Sure, we're gonna dive into a bunch
of that NFL stuff. As Doug for our joints this
year on Fox Sports Radio. Hey Doug, Happy Labor Day.
How are you happy Labor Day? How are you guys? Great?
Doing great? I want to ask you about an article
that you know I saw in your your Twitter page,
And this was originated from Pro Football Talk about the
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the lack of the lack of interest with with Colin
Kaepernick in the NFL, where we thought maybe over the
summer that we would see teams reaching out maybe Kaepernick
would come in for a workout, and apparently that was
far from the case, where the report says that at
the teams didn't even contact his agent. Are you surprised
by by any of this considering what seemed like a
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lot of positive momentum this summer? No, Um, you go
back to the workout that was organized by the league
for him at the Falcons facility and the fact that
he wanted an injury waiver, the NFL wouldn't let him
have it, so he had to move the workout to
a high school about an hour from the Falcons facility
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somewhere in Georgia that I've never heard of. Um, and
like three teams showed up. Goodell says, now what he's
always said, you know, when he when he's asked about
I believe it was Peter King in his Monday Morning
Quarterback column asked Goodell about Kaepernick, and well, that's a
club matter. You know, It's always a club matter when
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it comes to getting Kaepernick back in the league. UM,
I do think it's more of a league matter. I
think he whether you agree with what he said or not,
and what he's done or not. I think he offended
enough people in the league. I mean the stuff I've
heard from other people and the stuff I've heard myself
from from people in the NFL. There is a slammed
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locked door on this guy. And when all the George
Floyd stuff was blowing up over the summer, and all
of a sudden, Kaepernick was, you know, kind of, oh, well,
we have to pay attention to this, and now the
charges might be interested in blah blah blah. I was
saying all along, no one's ever going to sign Colin
Kaepernick to play football in the NFL. Again, that ship
is sailed. It's unfortunate. I still think that he may
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have the potential to at least be a high level
backup or a load and mid level starter after four
years speak certainly, you know, you throw sixteen touchdowns and
four picks for a two and fourteen team in the
worst offensive roster in the NFL, and bad Chip Kelly
is your head coach, um, and then all of a
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sudden you can't get a job. I think the stink
is still there. I think it's unfortunate. Um, I think
it's dangerous. When you look at Eric Reeve, you look
at Trey Boston. Trey Boston the Panthers over the last
five years, Just to digress for one second, one of
the best free safeties in the NFL deep safeties over
the last five years, got a series of one year
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deals with different teams because he wanted to protest in
There was a drumbeat around the league back then, We're
not going to support this, We're not going to encourage this,
and if you do it, you're not going to get
the contract you want. And with Kaepernick, I think, because
he is the lead name in this, it all kind
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of comes back to him. I I just I don't
think he'll ever play football. He'll never play pro football again.
And it's unfortunate. I think you should be given a
legitimate opportunity without all this stuff in the way. But
am I surprised, No, Do I think it will happen? Unfortunately? Not? Um. Okay,
So when I hear Roger Goodale speak and I hear
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and he says it's a club matter, But then when
you hear him speaking about his own opinion, it really
sounds like two separate messages. So how much sway does
the commissioner really have with the owners? Like like I
know he's there. Their their guy to stand up there
and take all the darts from when everybody punches the NFL.
But what kind of sway does he actually have amongst
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the owners. Well, he's he's not going to call up
you know, John Schneider g M of the Seattle Seahawks
and say, hey, you guys should sign Kaepernick as your backup,
because if that ever got out, you know, all heck
with break loose um. But he does set the tone.
I mean, let me put it this way. I think
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he could set the tone by saying all along outright. Look,
he's not gonna say it looks fishy because that's a
reflection on the league which he ostensibly runs. But you know,
he's hidden behind the whole club matter thing. And you know,
when he's been asked over the years, do you think
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Colin Kaepernick deserves another opportunity, he's always said, well, that's
a club matter. So for goodell all along not to say,
you know, not not to at least put one toe
in the water and say yes. Based on his past experience,
maybe he should be getting more looks. I don't know. Um,
you know, when he got on his camera on zoom
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and said black Lives Matter. I mean that was after
everything blew up. He he had, I mean literally, the
the I Am George Floyd video, his own the NFL's
own production team made that and then showed it to
him and said, look, man, we're doing this and you
can either get on board or get trampled. So Goodell
being woke that that's a business matter, that's a practical concern.
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It has nothing to do with how Roger Dedell feels
or not. Doug for our joining us here on Fox
Sports Radio from the USA Today cover in the National
Football League. So the season is three days away. You
mentioned Seattle. George and I uh talked quite a bit
about the Seahawks, one of the better teams in the
National Football League. I have my allegiances, but here's my question.
They don't get clowney he ends up going to the Titans.
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They haven't addressed their defensive line. Is that what is
going to be holding back Seattle this upcoming season is
their ability to get pressure on the quarterback. Yeah, well
I'm up here, so there you go. Yeah, I knew that.
I knew that as well, so I had I know
your history with the team, So I'm not a lot
to have allegiances, but you know, geographically sure, you know
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they've got You know, it's interesting. They're not a heavy
blitz team. They never have been. But if you look
at say the Ravens last year with Matt Judean and
sort of a bunch of guys, they blitzed over their
snaps last year, which is an insane number. It was
I think the Buccaneers for a second, at like four
or three something percent. They have blitzed over the last
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two years, so much more than everybody else, and they've
gotten a pretty decent pressure rate based off that. The
reason they were able to do that is when they
had Earl Thomas and Marlin Humphrey in the slot, and
you know, they got Marcus Peters, they had a secondary
where they didn't need to worry about that fifth and
sixth guy blitzing because the guys in the back floor
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could cover everything. And when you have Shaquill Griffin and
you have Quandary digs is one of the most underrated
safety is in the league. And you have Jamal Adams
and everyone knows how the Jamal Adams is, and you've
got Trey Flowers, who I think you know I did
a thing on the eleven best man cornerbacks in the NFL.
CX don't play a ton of man, but Trey Flowers
is right up there. So it maybe with Seattle that
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this year they're gonna blitz a lot more and they
believe they have the secondary and certainly in Body Wagner
probably the most aware linebacker in the lead when it
comes to coverage. If Eric Kendricks and the Vikings isn't
um it would be a radical switch from what Pete
Carroll and Ken Norton Junior the defensive coordinator usually do.
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But I could see them saying, you know what, We're
gonna go full metal Baltimore and just blitz all the
time and expect our secondary to pick up the slack,
which that secondary is now good enough to do. If
you had to look at the landscape of the NFC,
which clearly appears to be a little bit more, you
know there aren't heavy favorites in there. Where do you
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look at teams aside from the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, which
everybody is pointing to as a team that you expect
to come out of there. Well, I think that's about
the Buccaneers. I mean everyone's excited about Brady and Brady
having these new great targets. Um, what what excites me
about the Buccaneers is football Outsiders metrics. They went from
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dead last in to fifth overall in twenty nineteen, and
then they got to add twe Winfield Jr. Who I
think is the next Real Thomas. That kid is incredible.
So it's not just the offense, uh, for me with
the Buccaneers that makes me think, yeah, okay, we've got
something there. Um. You know, I think the Seahawks. I
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think the Seahawks were kind of the twist in between
last year. They were they were still in a motive
are we rebuilding or are we not? Um? You know,
so they and the concerns we just mentioned are certainly concerns. Uh.
People are pretty quiet about the forty Niners, and I
don't know why. Maybe it's people are maybe starting to
see enough from Jimmy Garoppolo to know where his ceiling is. UM.
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I could say the same thing with the Vikings and
Kirk Cousins. Um. You know, We'll wait and see what
happens to the Packers. I think their defense will improve
a bit. I don't know that you can get much
better than thirteen and three. The Falcons are one team
to watch. When they put Raheem Morris more in charge
of their defense, they went from one in seven to
seven and nine, like boom overnight, the defense was there. Um.
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I think that's a team to watch. I think the
the NFC South is going to be just brutal. So
whoever survives that, there you go, um Vikings. I kind
of have the same concern with them that I do
with San Francisco quarterback with the ceiling um. I will
say this about the Cowboys probably well one of one
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of the two or three most dynamic passing offenses in
the league last year. Now you add Seedy Lamb to
Murray Cooper and Michael Gallup and Mike Nolan were the
more multiple and interesting defense. And you know it hasn't
been the Cowboys years since. But that's a team to
watch as far as you know, can they work it consistently?
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They will need defensive improvement. Losing Byron Jones is kind
of a hit. Trevon Diggs, Stefon Diggs's younger brother, has
some Richard Sherman attributes to his game. He's gonna can't
stand out, but yeah, I would say the Cowboys routeam
to watch. Uh, you know, the Eagles are always in there.
But I would say as far as the teams that
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are prominent, the Buccaneers I would put up there, The
Saints I would put up there. But the Buccaneers, I
think what you really have to look at, you know,
as far as what will sustain them down the stretch.
And Brady's not going to have a bunch of four
hundred yard games. He's forty three years old. He's gonna
progress a little bit. To whatever degree is that defense
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could be pretty ferocious. He's Doug for our covering the
National Football League for the USA Today. Find him on
Twitter at NFL Underscore Doug for our Thanks Dug for
the time in this holiday and uh yeah, kudos and
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noon Pacific. Big news in the world of college football,
but not as uh really categorized as surprising George Oregon
tackle open a sewell opting out of the upcoming season.
Whatever it is for the Pact twelve to enter the
NFL draft and focus on that in the spring of one.
As an oregon A Luma, I know this probably cuts
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a little bit deeper than any of the other opt
outs we've seen and heard. Yeah, yeah, it does. I
mean this is there was my Bryan Adams there, it was.
It hurts, dude. I mean, so if you if you
look at some of the players that have already opted out,
you have Jamie Newman quarterback at Georgia, Kennedy Brooks though
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the running back at Oklahoma, Kenneth Gainwell running back at Memphis,
your March Chase from l s U Rashot Bateman from Minnesota,
and players from from all over the country as well
who are projected to be high draft picks. Um and
some of them just opted out for the season. Micah
(29:53):
Parsons from in state. Uh so, yeah, from Miami. Yeah,
has been a number of them. This one with Pinnate Sewell,
he was the outline Trophy winner last year and he
was like when he was a freshman until he got
hurt at the end of the year when he heard
his ankle pretty bad. Everybody said he's probably the best
(30:15):
lineman in the country as a freshman sophomore year, it
was no brainer won the Outland Trophy easy projected as
a top UH top three in an NFL draft pick
for the upcoming year, and when the season got postponed,
I was, I was. The first thing I thought was
if he were my son, he would not be playing
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this upcoming season. I mean, even if he were playing
at L s U or Alabama or any of these
at the in the Big twelve, he would not be
playing this year. Either. We're wrapping you up in bubble wrap.
We're making sure that nothing happens, and we're just gonna
get to the finish line, well, the the first finish line,
if that makes sense. And I while I would have
(30:59):
done the same thing, I do think that the total
impact on the player needs to be uh noticed, because
his career was trending toward him potentially winning the Outline
Trophy again or at least playing well, which would have
put him in conversation for the College Football Hall of Fame,
like one of the best linemen to play, especially recently.
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I mean, we're talking about Jonathan Ogden, Tony Boselli kind
of good. And when you have that like uh and
when you get those accolades next to your name, like
a a Heisman Trophy, College Football Hall of Fame, Pro
Football Hall of Fame. Those things mean money and opportunities
for the rest of your life. And aside from the
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recognition that you get. Because when you watch or listen
to UM talk show hosts, uh TV shows, interviews, any
of that, what's the first thing that they say when
they introduced somebody Dann Heisman Trophy winner or something like that,
Pro Football Hall of Famer, And that carries a little
(32:09):
more weight even subconsciously to people when they're listening to it,
so they're like, Oh, this dude knows what he's talking about.
He's a Pro Football Hall of Hall of Famer. That's
why that's who initially gets a lot of the opportunities
for some of these jobs because you have some of
these accolades. And I just feel bad because this could
truly impact a number of players who would end up
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getting some of those accolades, which which is one thing
that I truly kind of like that that makes me
wonder how things would have turned out differently had I
stayed for my senior year at the University of Oregon.
Because I came out as a junior and technically I'm
still I'm still in the Oregon Hall of Fame, but
but with my team as a spoke as opposed to individually.
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So I wonder if if if I had stayed kind
of how things would look in the record books, how
I would be remembered differently when I go to the
University of Oregon and and so some of these things.
So sometimes now, because I do do radio and TV
that I'm more remembered at Oregon for that, even more
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than my playing days, which matters even more when you
go there, If that makes sense. Yeah, no, absolutely, and
Penansull he could have had trophies named after him, you know,
depending on what would have happened this season, and unfortunately
he won't get that opportunity, but will definitely make a
name for himself, at least in the National Football League.
He's the six year NFL. That's George rice Stir. I'm
(33:42):
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a game, this is game time side on the Doug
Gottlieb Show. You can get the gas Man on Twitter
at David J. Gascon. Hello Dave, what game do we
have today? We got big deal, little deal, no deal?
(34:46):
All right? So how about this big deal, little deal
or no deal at all? As you heard, some Patriot
players are reportedly happy Tom Brady left in free agency
after developing a sour attitude. Going back to eighteen, guys,
this is a big deal, little deal or no deal
at all? George, I think it is a very big deal,
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and there are a lot of factors that end up
you know, coming down to why the Patriots are successful
and why they aren't successful. But this is something that
I think has popped up previously. I remember in Green
Bay when Brett Farve was threatening to retire and a
lot of the young guys on their team were friends
with Aaron Rodgers, and so when five left, it wasn't
(35:28):
as much of a you know, oh my goodness far
as moving on for the players, because they could relate
more to the guy that was taking the backup reps
in in practice. And sometimes when you get too old
there's nobody else on the same team that your age,
it kind of separates that. I think it's a big deal,
but not a surprising deal. This is no deal at all.
(35:50):
But at a dude, it is ironic though. It is
ironic because Tom Brady, you know, if you flash back
five years, ten years, is somebody else who was who
was having a sour puss type of attitude. They would say.
He would be like, you need to fix it. You
need to be committed to this team. This is all
(36:10):
we have. And now he sees what it's like to
be on the other end of the sticks. So now
he's probably like, oh man, I probably treated them like this.
I get it now. I get how they felt so
turn about his fair play. It's no deal, it's no
big deal, but some personal growth maybe for Tom Brady. Yeah.
Boston Sports Journal actually had an article and said it
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was so bad that some of his teammates have admittedly
privately have admitted privately that was better for all involved
that Bretty moved on if he was gonna have to
have the same attitude this season, we go from Brady
and New England to Cam Newton in New England. Cam
Newton listened to this guy's has described his time with
New England so far. Um, let me know, big deal,
(36:54):
little dealer or no deal at all. I think it's
honestly been a mass made in heaven for me, just
knowing that, you know, I'm at a place where everything
is pulling in the same direction and everything is geared
towards when it now was courtesy of W E E.
I So, guys, right back to you, big deal, little
deal or no deal at all? Go ahead, you take
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this one again again. This is no deal, dude, none.
I mean, of course, Cam Newton feels like this is
the greatest thing that ever hap. It's a new relationship
the the honey he's in the honeymoon phase still. Bill
Belichick hasn't undressed him for making some bad reads or
(37:35):
some bad throws. Yeah, so of dude, they haven't played
a game. Everything is fine, everything's great. And also Cam
is starting back in the NFL again with a fresh
start with a good coach. Of course he's happy. This
is just from the from the from the land of duh. Well,
I will, I will, I will say that it's a
no deal as well, only for this reason, as I figure,
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I think that there are a lot of guys that
like to play for Rivera, and so I think Cam
is just trying to say like the positive thing or
maybe even try to say like, all right, now is
my opportunity. But but I really haven't heard bad things
about Ron Rivera when it comes to the locker room.
So it's it's tough for me to think that that
Cam had that you know, bad of a time in Carolina. Gentlemen,
we go from the gridiron to the hardwood court in
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the bubble. Milwaukee Bucks head coach Mike Butenholzer said it's
impossible to know if Janice will be healthy enough to
play tonight, but The team also has not officially ruled
him out there down this series three games to one
to Miami. Big deal, little dealer, no deal at all.
I'm gonna say that's a little deal. They'll play tomorrow
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and we'll find out on his his his status. But
I do think Miami would now have an ability to
formulate a game plan without Janice, which could be to
the detriment of the Bucks. Maybe it's best to just
keep his status up in the air. No deal, George,
George got his two cents in Coming up next on
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You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. You know, George, I
just realized that we were robbed of something tonight. There
would have been a lot of Saucy Nugs signs in
Denver for the Nuggets Clippers game. In Game three, I
guarantee there would have been at least at least five
(00:42):
Saucy Nugs signs and uh at least three references in
tonight's broadcast. But instead they're gonna play in a bubble
where the Nuggets really don't have a home court. I
feel robbed about that. That's funny because due to players
in the bubble even know what what Saucy Nugs are.
That's a good point. I would hope they would have Internet,
(01:03):
but maybe they're also just trying to figure out what,
uh you know, how to bide their time, so they
would have had to have seen Saucy nugs. Oh man,
we got some saucy nugs for you over the next
four hours or so. Here on Fox Sports Radio, George
and I have got you covered on this Labor Day.
David Gascon's at the news desk bringing U saw the information.
He will also be joining us later this hour to
play a game. Ryan Music running this show. Chris is
(01:25):
gonna be out with us for a little while. Then
Ryan will move in as our technical producer. But a
lot to get to and and while we may have
changing names and faces, one name and facing, the NBA
has been there for a long long time, and it's
been on top for a long long time. And there
there are moments when you just you just kind of
have something hitting you in your face. Maybe you've been
(01:46):
taking it for granted too long, but that's how I
felt last night with Lebron James and his effort against
the Houston Rockets. And it's not it wasn't a a
hercule lean effort from Lebron James. But when you and
I were doing the show yesterday, George, we were on
during the Bucks heat game that went to overtime that
(02:07):
Milwaukee ended up winning, and Jannis Antenna goopbo had to
leave the game because of his ankle injury and didn't
return in the second half, and the Bucks found a
way to win that game. And we talked about Janice
and we talked about how the Bucks have been able
to to keep in check. And we look at the
Clippers Nuggets series, and we look at the Clippers games
throughout the bubble and we say, man, Paul George is here,
sometimes that he's not there. Then he says he wasn't
(02:27):
locked in because of the bubble, uh excuses. Maybe the
point being this is that Lebron James not only just
continues to do it, he does it at the highest
level and now has done it for what seventeen eighteen
years in the NBA. Yeah, I mean it is. It
is truly remarkable. And in eleven and nine line with
(02:50):
four steals is is very lebron esque. But when you
look at like the growth that that you know Janice
has tried to take for the Bucks and where he is,
and we see what Kauai does on a night in
a night out, basis to think that Lebron James continues
to do this after those seventeen years or in the
(03:10):
seventeen years, it's truly, truly remarkable to see that the
efforts that that he is putting up, and last night,
for some reason, it just hit me in the face
where it's just like, man, this guy not only is
he doing it, he's doing it in his seventeenth season,
and he is doing it against one of the you know,
most prolific scores, uh that we've seen in the NBA
(03:31):
in recent years, and James Harden. We've seen a Rockets
team play better defense. But it's just it's just amazing
to see what Lebron has done. And last night it
hit me smack dab in the face. Yeah, that makes
sense because we talked about it last week, where you
get greatness fatigue that over the course of this dude's career,
(03:54):
he has been absolutely fantastic and by far the best
player in the n b A. And it was so
like after Kobe really was injured and then declining, there
wasn't too many players that even could be on the
same court as him, Like there was like four or
five players who could be on the same court as
(04:14):
this dude. And now that the number of people who
deserve to be on the court with him has grown,
but he's still arguably the best player in the league.
And it's just like last night when you saw it.
If I told you that any other player in the
league not named Lebron James twenty eight points, eleven rebounds,
(04:36):
nine assists, four stills and two blocks, you'd be like, wow,
that boy co like that hell of a game, like like,
where's the commercial? But but then I tell you it's
Lebron James, You're like, oh, okay, it's so amazing that
what he's done and continues to do just doesn't amaze
you anymore. That's the I think that that's probably the true,
(05:00):
the truest testament of greatness, right when when you do
the extraordinary and people think that it's ordinary, when this
is what you regularly do, Like this is a Lebron
James game. And I remember when he caught one of
the libs last last night. It kind of started when
he dunked on Westbrook in Game one, and then he
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caught two lives yesterday and I saw still photo of it.
This dude has an actual like a bald spot. He's
seventeen years He caught a lib at the top of
the square looking into the basket, year seventeen and it's
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just like, this dude's just built different. He's just built
Ford tough. I mean, this dude is just it's amazing.
I was talking to my wife last last night. Dan,
I said the most amazing thing about Lebron James. I mean,
and I know that some people are like, oh, they're
just they're just of and on Lebron James too much. No,
you have to give people their flowers while they are here.
(06:05):
And earlier in his career I didn't really truly appreciate
it because I thought he had to mature, with which
he did. But Dan, the fact that he came in
with so much pomp and circumstances, so much hype surrounding
how the chosen one, how great he was gonna be,
and he actually lived up to and has exceeded those expectations,
I think is the most important thing about him in
(06:27):
his career cover of Sports illustrated when he was in
high school, I mean, and and to now continue that
and to put him in the conversation it was even
magnified more for me today on le Bronze greatness, because
I think that there are very few athletes that we
can talk about in this sort of conversation with the
the absolute dominance of their game at this age. And
(06:52):
and listen, there were people in in in the NBA
and in the NBA circles that we've heard over the
last month or two that have said Lebron hadn't been
playing great for the Lakers, that that Lebron wasn't the
same Lebron as of old. And so those conversations start
popping up, and we saw what he did last night
putting those things to rest. And again when it comes
(07:14):
to the playoff time, when it comes to a game
to situation where you need to be get that win
to be back in the series, Lebron was there. But
I'm also within the last thirty minutes or so, Serena
Williams just one or round of sixteen match at the
US Open. And it's the twelve straight year that Serena
has made it to the quarterfinals of the US Open.
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And you think about that when you have when you
have tennis players who will break in at the age
of sixteen years old and be, you know, be the
next great thing. And then Lindsay davenpoor Martina Hinge is
like those people. Yeah, and and you're just like, Okay, Wow,
(07:55):
you know, Coco Goff. You know, I can't think it
was the last year when you kind of you know,
grabbed the tension of everyone. You're like, wow, this is
this is you know, our next generation. But she's sixteen,
and so then you add twelve years onto that and
you say to yourself, okay, twenty eight. Sometimes with these
with tennis players, they're greatness is peaked maybe in their
early twenties, and they get into their late twenties and
(08:16):
early thirties, there's no more career left. And Serena is
gonna be thirty nine years old at the end of
the month. And to think that her dominance like how
many generations. And it's the same thing with Lebron now
in his seventeen season, Like Serena played a player today
who probably was like twenty two years old, was like
the fifteen seed, and you think about that, this is
(08:37):
probably the height of where that opponent will be, like
she is at the top of her game, and here
Serena is at thirty eight years and eleven months beating
her and and and that to me is is just
it's so amazing because how many athletes in their prime,
whether peak is maybe two years or three years, and
(08:58):
or in the NBA it's five seven years where the
players come and they go away, and Lebron is just
always there or Serena is just always there there. It's
just we've gotta have appreciation all of these athletes in
doing so at such a high level. It's just it's
absolutely amazing to me to think of all of the
tennis players that have come through the game of tennis
(09:20):
that have peaked and then went away, while Serena has
just stayed at the top. And I think it's the
same thing with Lebron James. Let me give you this,
this stat about Serena. She won her first major, not
her first match, her first major in nineteen nine. Me
and Serena are the same age, born in the same year. Okay,
(09:41):
here here, I'm gonna put Lebron James, Serena Williams in
perspective for you, and because this is the way that
I look at it, nineteen we are the same age.
Mind you, She'll be thirty thirty nine. I'm thirty nine
already born. I was going to I was checking in
at the University of Oregon. In nine she won the
(10:04):
US Open, like but in the summer between when I
graduated and when I actually showed up at college, and
we're the same age. Okay, she is still playing. She
lost the US Open in the final last year. She
last won a major seventeen and has been in four
more since. All Right, that's almost all of them that
(10:28):
she's been in the finals. And then fast forward to
Lebron James. Do you know what year Lebron James was
was drafted two thousand three? Do you know what year
George Reister was drafted two thousand three? Yes? So when
I look at Lebron james career, I look at my
(10:49):
own life and I'm saying, wow, I look at the
things that I can no longer do athletically and the
things that this man is out here doing. We came
in the same year I had. I had a longer
than average career I had, I got six credited seasons,
had had a cup of coffee in New York, stopped
(11:10):
in Vegas, playing in the UFL for a second, have
owned a cupcake business, owned a uh A, a clothing
store Boughton. So soul Thows gone on to have a
radio career, TV career, all of this, and and this
dude is still playing. It's and not just playing. I mean,
(11:30):
like he's not you know, Udonis Haslem at the end
of the bench, or Tyson Chandler, who I played against
in high school as well, at the end of the bench. No,
I mean like even the great players that I played
against and within high school. Like a guy who's a
friend of mine, Gilbert Raynis. We came out same year.
Uh he actually went into the draft the year before,
(11:52):
the same year in high school. We're the same age.
We're we're out at our kids practice two together, like
like old man in trying to trying to play hoops
or something. It's crazy, how just dominant this dude still is.
He's not just a guy, He's still the guy and
and just doing it again. And how many generations of
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guys have you know, circled in And the same thing
with the women's tennis players, of how many careers have
already you know, if if started and then ended during
the rag arena. And it's the same thing with Lebron
of how many guys came in peaked and then you know,
like you know, and I'll just take someone like Derrick Rose,
for for example, who's still playing in the NBA, but
(12:37):
you know, robbed because of of knee injuries and the
the inability to stay healthy. But you know, Derrick Rose
enters the NBA in two thousand and eight, is of
you know, after his freshman year at Memphis wins an
m v P. Is a top seed. You know, runs
into some of those Lebron teams as well during that time,
but like, you know, he takes someone like Derrick Rose
(12:57):
and like, all right, Derrick Rose has maybe got a
few years you know left if that in his NBA career,
and it's i mean, you know, and Derrick Ross was
thought to be you know, the man at one point
and and maybe the future of the NBA, being the
first overall pick, and you just you have that all
in the window of Lebron just coasting along on that
top line and that that you know, that the the
(13:20):
the freeway where there is so little traffic because nobody
is there in any of the cars that are there
are only there maybe five or six years, and Lebron
has been there for seventeen years. And it's the same
thing with Serena now twenty plus years that she's been
doing it. It's just truly truly amazing and the whole
honest thing. George's what what hit me in the faces,
because Janice has made such great strides like throughout his career,
(13:43):
considering where he was and what he is now, it's
a tremendous, tremendous increase and kudo should be given to
the honest for how he has transformed himself into a
world class basketball player. But we're still picking him apart
and saying he needs to do it's better, he needs
to do that better. While Lebron James has just been
(14:03):
going along and you see the gaps between the two.
And while Jannest may win the m v P again
for the second straight year, you know Jhannest could only
dream of doing the things that Lebron was doing, and
Lebron's doing them at the age of thirty five. It's
just crazy, absolutely crazy. And that's where perspective really matters.
Because Jordan's first three years in the playoffs, he only
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won one playoff game, one playoff game, got got swept twice,
and won one playoff game. Granted, he was clearly the
best player on the floor for a lot of those games,
his team was just not built right. He was going
up against the Celtics and and some other teams. It
was just juggernauts right uh and up that he was
up against, So that matters. But and Lebron early in
(14:50):
his career was able to take the Calves all the
way to the finals and they were just outmatched by
the San Antonio Spurs. I mean it was just a
they didn't have a chance. And when you look at
the way that players have to develop their games and
change them, that's where the true testament of greatness comes.
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Because Jannice it projects really well. But if he doesn't
fix being able to shoot the basketball better, which Lebron
didn't shoot the ball well, even though he shot it
better than Yanna shoots it. At this point point in time,
if Janice doesn't fix that part of his game and
develop into a full player, I mean, granted he doesn't
have to be you know, Steph Curry, he's just gotta
(15:33):
be respected out at the line. If if you don't,
it changes the trajectory of your career to from one
of the potentially the best of all time to just
you know, like you turned into team at which there's
nothing wrong with being team at, Like there's nothing wrong
with being Charles Barkley, but there is a different There's
a rare air that's above that. He's George rice Stir,
(15:56):
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Get George on Twitter at George rice Stir. I'm at
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Underscore Doug Ferrars. Doug Farrar will be joining us as
the NFL season Crazy to Think George just three days
away from games counting in the NFL, Right, dude, crazy
antsy draft is until Wednesday. They pushed that thing all
the way back because, uh, because it's a pretty expensive league.
(17:02):
And he said, we'll just wait until we know for
sure this thing is gonna kick off. And I don't
know how. I mean, I guess we could have drafted
on Thursday morning. I mean, hey, why not. We're gonna
wait till, like, you know, an hour before kickoff. Then
everybody's you know, it's safe. That's a could have done
that as well. Man, you guys are pushing it to
(17:23):
the max. There is no doubt about that. Chiefs of
Texans on Thursday. Sure, we're gonna dive into a bunch
of that NFL stuff. As Doug for our joints this
year on Fox Sports Radio. Hey Doug, Happy Labor Day.
How are you happy Labor Day? How are you guys? Great?
Doing great? I want to ask you about an article
that you know I saw in your your Twitter page,
And this was originated from Pro Football Talk about the
(17:44):
the lack of the lack of interest with with Colin
Kaepernick in the NFL, where we thought maybe over the
summer that we would see teams reaching out maybe Kaepernick
would come in for a workout, and apparently that was
far from the case, where the report says that at
the teams didn't even contact his agent. Are you surprised
by by any of this considering what seemed like a
(18:06):
lot of positive momentum this summer? No, Um, you go
back to the workout that was organized by the league
for him at the Falcons facility and the fact that
he wanted an injury waiver, the NFL wouldn't let him
have it, so he had to move the workout to
a high school about an hour from the Falcons facility
(18:27):
somewhere in Georgia that I've never heard of. Um, and
like three teams showed up. Goodell says, now what he's
always said, you know, when he when he's asked about
I believe it was Peter King in his Monday Morning
Quarterback column asked Goodell about Kaepernick, and well, that's a
club matter. You know, It's always a club matter when
(18:48):
it comes to getting Kaepernick back in the league. UM,
I do think it's more of a league matter. I
think he whether you agree with what he said or not,
and what he's done or not. I think he offended
enough people in the league. I mean the stuff I've
heard from other people and the stuff I've heard myself
from from people in the NFL. There is a slammed
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locked door on this guy. And when all the George
Floyd stuff was blowing up over the summer, and all
of a sudden, Kaepernick was, you know, kind of, oh, well,
we have to pay attention to this, and now the
charges might be interested in blah blah blah. I was
saying all along, no one's ever going to sign Colin
Kaepernick to play football in the NFL. Again, that ship
is sailed. It's unfortunate. I still think that he may
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have the potential to at least be a high level
backup or a load and mid level starter after four
years speak certainly, you know, you throw sixteen touchdowns and
four picks for a two and fourteen team in the
worst offensive roster in the NFL, and bad Chip Kelly
is your head coach, um, and then all of a
(19:56):
sudden you can't get a job. I think the stink
is still there. I think it's unfortunate. Um, I think
it's dangerous. When you look at Eric Reeve, you look
at Trey Boston. Trey Boston the Panthers over the last
five years, Just to digress for one second, one of
the best free safeties in the NFL deep safeties over
the last five years, got a series of one year
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deals with different teams because he wanted to protest in
There was a drumbeat around the league back then, We're
not going to support this, We're not going to encourage this,
and if you do it, you're not going to get
the contract you want. And with Kaepernick, I think, because
he is the lead name in this, it all kind
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of comes back to him. I I just I don't
think he'll ever play football. He'll never play pro football again.
And it's unfortunate. I think you should be given a
legitimate opportunity without all this stuff in the way. But
am I surprised, No, Do I think it will happen? Unfortunately? Not? Um. Okay,
So when I hear Roger Goodale speak and I hear
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and he says it's a club matter, But then when
you hear him speaking about his own opinion, it really
sounds like two separate messages. So how much sway does
the commissioner really have with the owners? Like like I
know he's there. Their their guy to stand up there
and take all the darts from when everybody punches the NFL.
But what kind of sway does he actually have amongst
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the owners. Well, he's he's not going to call up
you know, John Schneider g M of the Seattle Seahawks
and say, hey, you guys should sign Kaepernick as your backup,
because if that ever got out, you know, all heck
with break loose um. But he does set the tone.
I mean, let me put it this way. I think
(21:45):
he could set the tone by saying all along outright. Look,
he's not gonna say it looks fishy because that's a
reflection on the league which he ostensibly runs. But you know,
he's hidden behind the whole club matter thing. And you know,
when he's been asked over the years, do you think
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Colin Kaepernick deserves another opportunity, he's always said, well, that's
a club matter. So for goodell all along not to say,
you know, not not to at least put one toe
in the water and say yes. Based on his past experience,
maybe he should be getting more looks. I don't know. Um,
you know, when he got on his camera on zoom
(22:28):
and said black Lives Matter. I mean that was after
everything blew up. He he had, I mean literally, the
the I Am George Floyd video, his own the NFL's
own production team made that and then showed it to
him and said, look, man, we're doing this and you
can either get on board or get trampled. So Goodell
being woke that that's a business matter, that's a practical concern.
(22:53):
It has nothing to do with how Roger Dedell feels
or not. Doug for our joining us here on Fox
Sports Radio from the USA Today cover in the National
Football League. So the season is three days away. You
mentioned Seattle. George and I uh talked quite a bit
about the Seahawks, one of the better teams in the
National Football League. I have my allegiances, but here's my question.
They don't get clowney he ends up going to the Titans.
(23:15):
They haven't addressed their defensive line. Is that what is
going to be holding back Seattle this upcoming season is
their ability to get pressure on the quarterback. Yeah, well
I'm up here, so there you go. Yeah, I knew that.
I knew that as well, so I had I know
your history with the team, So I'm not a lot
to have allegiances, but you know, geographically sure, you know
(23:37):
they've got You know, it's interesting. They're not a heavy
blitz team. They never have been. But if you look
at say the Ravens last year with Matt Judean and
sort of a bunch of guys, they blitzed over their
snaps last year, which is an insane number. It was
I think the Buccaneers for a second, at like four
or three something percent. They have blitzed over the last
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two years, so much more than everybody else, and they've
gotten a pretty decent pressure rate based off that. The
reason they were able to do that is when they
had Earl Thomas and Marlin Humphrey in the slot, and
you know, they got Marcus Peters, they had a secondary
where they didn't need to worry about that fifth and
sixth guy blitzing because the guys in the back floor
(24:23):
could cover everything. And when you have Shaquill Griffin and
you have Quandary digs is one of the most underrated
safety is in the league. And you have Jamal Adams
and everyone knows how the Jamal Adams is, and you've
got Trey Flowers, who I think you know I did
a thing on the eleven best man cornerbacks in the NFL.
CX don't play a ton of man, but Trey Flowers
is right up there. So it maybe with Seattle that
(24:47):
this year they're gonna blitz a lot more and they
believe they have the secondary and certainly in Body Wagner
probably the most aware linebacker in the lead when it
comes to coverage. If Eric Kendricks and the Vikings isn't
um it would be a radical switch from what Pete
Carroll and Ken Norton Junior the defensive coordinator usually do.
(25:09):
But I could see them saying, you know what, We're
gonna go full metal Baltimore and just blitz all the
time and expect our secondary to pick up the slack,
which that secondary is now good enough to do. If
you had to look at the landscape of the NFC,
which clearly appears to be a little bit more, you
know there aren't heavy favorites in there. Where do you
(25:31):
look at teams aside from the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, which
everybody is pointing to as a team that you expect
to come out of there. Well, I think that's about
the Buccaneers. I mean everyone's excited about Brady and Brady
having these new great targets. Um, what what excites me
about the Buccaneers is football Outsiders metrics. They went from
(25:54):
dead last in to fifth overall in twenty nineteen, and
then they got to add twe Winfield Jr. Who I
think is the next Real Thomas. That kid is incredible.
So it's not just the offense, uh, for me with
the Buccaneers that makes me think, yeah, okay, we've got
something there. Um. You know, I think the Seahawks. I
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think the Seahawks were kind of the twist in between
last year. They were they were still in a motive
are we rebuilding or are we not? Um? You know,
so they and the concerns we just mentioned are certainly concerns. Uh.
People are pretty quiet about the forty Niners, and I
don't know why. Maybe it's people are maybe starting to
see enough from Jimmy Garoppolo to know where his ceiling is. UM.
(26:38):
I could say the same thing with the Vikings and
Kirk Cousins. Um. You know, We'll wait and see what
happens to the Packers. I think their defense will improve
a bit. I don't know that you can get much
better than thirteen and three. The Falcons are one team
to watch. When they put Raheem Morris more in charge
of their defense, they went from one in seven to
seven and nine, like boom overnight, the defense was there. Um.
(27:01):
I think that's a team to watch. I think the
the NFC South is going to be just brutal. So
whoever survives that, there you go, um Vikings. I kind
of have the same concern with them that I do
with San Francisco quarterback with the ceiling um. I will
say this about the Cowboys probably well one of one
(27:22):
of the two or three most dynamic passing offenses in
the league last year. Now you add Seedy Lamb to
Murray Cooper and Michael Gallup and Mike Nolan were the
more multiple and interesting defense. And you know it hasn't
been the Cowboys years since. But that's a team to
watch as far as you know, can they work it consistently?
(27:47):
They will need defensive improvement. Losing Byron Jones is kind
of a hit. Trevon Diggs, Stefon Diggs's younger brother, has
some Richard Sherman attributes to his game. He's gonna can't
stand out, but yeah, I would say the Cowboys routeam
to watch. Uh, you know, the Eagles are always in there.
But I would say as far as the teams that
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are prominent, the Buccaneers I would put up there, The
Saints I would put up there. But the Buccaneers, I
think what you really have to look at, you know,
as far as what will sustain them down the stretch.
And Brady's not going to have a bunch of four
hundred yard games. He's forty three years old. He's gonna
progress a little bit. To whatever degree is that defense
(28:28):
could be pretty ferocious. He's Doug for our covering the
National Football League for the USA Today. Find him on
Twitter at NFL Underscore Doug for our Thanks Dug for
the time in this holiday and uh yeah, kudos and
the enjoy the upcoming season. We appreciate it, my pleasure.
Thank you. Be sure to catch the live edition of
The Doug gott Leap Show weekdays at three pm Easter
(28:49):
noon Pacific. Big news in the world of college football,
but not as uh really categorized as surprising George Oregon
tackle open a sewell opting out of the upcoming season.
Whatever it is for the Pact twelve to enter the
NFL draft and focus on that in the spring of one.
As an oregon A Luma, I know this probably cuts
(29:10):
a little bit deeper than any of the other opt
outs we've seen and heard. Yeah, yeah, it does. I
mean this is there was my Bryan Adams there, it was.
It hurts, dude. I mean, so if you if you
look at some of the players that have already opted out,
you have Jamie Newman quarterback at Georgia, Kennedy Brooks though
(29:32):
the running back at Oklahoma, Kenneth Gainwell running back at Memphis,
your March Chase from l s U Rashot Bateman from Minnesota,
and players from from all over the country as well
who are projected to be high draft picks. Um and
some of them just opted out for the season. Micah
(29:53):
Parsons from in state. Uh so, yeah, from Miami. Yeah,
has been a number of them. This one with Pinnate Sewell,
he was the outline Trophy winner last year and he
was like when he was a freshman until he got
hurt at the end of the year when he heard
his ankle pretty bad. Everybody said he's probably the best
(30:15):
lineman in the country as a freshman sophomore year, it
was no brainer won the Outland Trophy easy projected as
a top UH top three in an NFL draft pick
for the upcoming year, and when the season got postponed,
I was, I was. The first thing I thought was
if he were my son, he would not be playing
(30:37):
this upcoming season. I mean, even if he were playing
at L s U or Alabama or any of these
at the in the Big twelve, he would not be
playing this year. Either. We're wrapping you up in bubble wrap.
We're making sure that nothing happens, and we're just gonna
get to the finish line, well, the the first finish line,
if that makes sense. And I while I would have
(30:59):
done the same thing, I do think that the total
impact on the player needs to be uh noticed, because
his career was trending toward him potentially winning the Outline
Trophy again or at least playing well, which would have
put him in conversation for the College Football Hall of Fame,
like one of the best linemen to play, especially recently.
(31:23):
I mean, we're talking about Jonathan Ogden, Tony Boselli kind
of good. And when you have that like uh and
when you get those accolades next to your name, like
a a Heisman Trophy, College Football Hall of Fame, Pro
Football Hall of Fame. Those things mean money and opportunities
for the rest of your life. And aside from the
(31:46):
recognition that you get. Because when you watch or listen
to UM talk show hosts, uh TV shows, interviews, any
of that, what's the first thing that they say when
they introduced somebody Dann Heisman Trophy winner or something like that,
Pro Football Hall of Famer, And that carries a little
(32:09):
more weight even subconsciously to people when they're listening to it,
so they're like, Oh, this dude knows what he's talking about.
He's a Pro Football Hall of Hall of Famer. That's
why that's who initially gets a lot of the opportunities
for some of these jobs because you have some of
these accolades. And I just feel bad because this could
truly impact a number of players who would end up
(32:32):
getting some of those accolades, which which is one thing
that I truly kind of like that that makes me
wonder how things would have turned out differently had I
stayed for my senior year at the University of Oregon.
Because I came out as a junior and technically I'm
still I'm still in the Oregon Hall of Fame, but
but with my team as a spoke as opposed to individually.
(32:57):
So I wonder if if if I had stayed kind
of how things would look in the record books, how
I would be remembered differently when I go to the
University of Oregon and and so some of these things.
So sometimes now, because I do do radio and TV
that I'm more remembered at Oregon for that, even more
(33:20):
than my playing days, which matters even more when you
go there, If that makes sense. Yeah, no, absolutely, and
Penansull he could have had trophies named after him, you know,
depending on what would have happened this season, and unfortunately
he won't get that opportunity, but will definitely make a
name for himself, at least in the National Football League.
He's the six year NFL. That's George rice Stir. I'm
(33:42):
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(34:24):
it's always hot. When David Gascon joins us to play
a game, this is game time side on the Doug
Gottlieb Show. You can get the gas Man on Twitter
at David J. Gascon. Hello Dave, what game do we
have today? We got big deal, little deal, no deal?
(34:46):
All right? So how about this big deal, little deal
or no deal at all? As you heard, some Patriot
players are reportedly happy Tom Brady left in free agency
after developing a sour attitude. Going back to eighteen, guys,
this is a big deal, little deal or no deal
at all? George, I think it is a very big deal,
(35:06):
and there are a lot of factors that end up
you know, coming down to why the Patriots are successful
and why they aren't successful. But this is something that
I think has popped up previously. I remember in Green
Bay when Brett Farve was threatening to retire and a
lot of the young guys on their team were friends
with Aaron Rodgers, and so when five left, it wasn't
(35:28):
as much of a you know, oh my goodness far
as moving on for the players, because they could relate
more to the guy that was taking the backup reps
in in practice. And sometimes when you get too old
there's nobody else on the same team that your age,
it kind of separates that. I think it's a big deal,
but not a surprising deal. This is no deal at all.
(35:50):
But at a dude, it is ironic though. It is
ironic because Tom Brady, you know, if you flash back
five years, ten years, is somebody else who was who
was having a sour puss type of attitude. They would say.
He would be like, you need to fix it. You
need to be committed to this team. This is all
(36:10):
we have. And now he sees what it's like to
be on the other end of the sticks. So now
he's probably like, oh man, I probably treated them like this.
I get it now. I get how they felt so
turn about his fair play. It's no deal, it's no
big deal, but some personal growth maybe for Tom Brady. Yeah.
Boston Sports Journal actually had an article and said it
(36:32):
was so bad that some of his teammates have admittedly
privately have admitted privately that was better for all involved
that Bretty moved on if he was gonna have to
have the same attitude this season, we go from Brady
and New England to Cam Newton in New England. Cam
Newton listened to this guy's has described his time with
New England so far. Um, let me know, big deal,
(36:54):
little dealer or no deal at all. I think it's
honestly been a mass made in heaven for me, just
knowing that, you know, I'm at a place where everything
is pulling in the same direction and everything is geared
towards when it now was courtesy of W E E.
I So, guys, right back to you, big deal, little
deal or no deal at all? Go ahead, you take
(37:15):
this one again again. This is no deal, dude, none.
I mean, of course, Cam Newton feels like this is
the greatest thing that ever hap. It's a new relationship
the the honey he's in the honeymoon phase still. Bill
Belichick hasn't undressed him for making some bad reads or
(37:35):
some bad throws. Yeah, so of dude, they haven't played
a game. Everything is fine, everything's great. And also Cam
is starting back in the NFL again with a fresh
start with a good coach. Of course he's happy. This
is just from the from the from the land of duh. Well,
I will, I will, I will say that it's a
no deal as well, only for this reason, as I figure,
(37:57):
I think that there are a lot of guys that
like to play for Rivera, and so I think Cam
is just trying to say like the positive thing or
maybe even try to say like, all right, now is
my opportunity. But but I really haven't heard bad things
about Ron Rivera when it comes to the locker room.
So it's it's tough for me to think that that
Cam had that you know, bad of a time in Carolina. Gentlemen,
we go from the gridiron to the hardwood court in
(38:18):
the bubble. Milwaukee Bucks head coach Mike Butenholzer said it's
impossible to know if Janice will be healthy enough to
play tonight, but The team also has not officially ruled
him out there down this series three games to one
to Miami. Big deal, little dealer, no deal at all.
I'm gonna say that's a little deal. They'll play tomorrow
(38:38):
and we'll find out on his his his status. But
I do think Miami would now have an ability to
formulate a game plan without Janice, which could be to
the detriment of the Bucks. Maybe it's best to just
keep his status up in the air. No deal, George,
George got his two cents in Coming up next on
(39:01):
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