Full Show Podcast: 30 November 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 2 (00:37):
Fit in and welcome Weekend Sport for the final day
of November Alligant Smith and for Jason Pine this weekend
like ships in the Night myself and Piney. He's out
of the country this weekend is I returned from following
the All Black subboard. Great to be with you for
the next three hours. November thirtieth, ninety six years to

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the day since Donald Bradman made his test table for
Australia against England and Brisbane nineteen twenty eight. That was
he made eighteen and one in that match in England
won by six hundred and seventy five runs. Happy birthday
too to Heath Davis from a Black Cap as well
appropriately a couple of cricketing milestones there to open the

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show is that's where we march to begin with on
Weekend Sport. We'll get you to hack the oval regularly
throughout the program. Now Cricket correspondent Andrew Ortison. They're keeping
a close eye on proceedings for US as England bats
on early on day three, but they have lost a
couple of wickets. You might have heard Richard and the
Sports news there assessing whether Chris Wolkes was out while

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he is in England to three hundred and eighty two
for seven now the lead of thirty four. Harry Brook's
finally gone as well this morning after resuming three hundred
and nineteen for five England now three hundred and eighty
two for seven. Former Black Cats player and coach John
Braseball will join us in a couple of moments to
get the states of the Test match from his expert view.

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When did the fielding gets so bad with the black Caps?
Yesterday was a shock as six drop catchers added another
for good measure. This morning, John Bracewell in a couple
of moments time to assess where at this match at
Hagley Oval is at jack White after one. The former
spring box coach won a World Cup with the box
in two thousand and seven. He's weighed on the All

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Blacks eligibility saga in a column on the last twenty
four hours. He'll explain why he believes it'll be a
mistake in his view for the All Blacks and New
Zealand Rugby to select players from overseas. Adam Peacock joins
us for the lattest across the Tasman. As always, we'll
take you inside the Auckland FC camp after two o'clock

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as well the fifth game of the season as they
try to continue this winning run against a Newcastle this
afternoon five o'clock at Mount Smart Stadium in Auckland. Weathers
a bit patchy, bitter rain about in Auckland this morning.
That one kicks off at four five o'clock this afternoon.
We'll take you inside the camp Max matter, and we'll
also dig into a bit of tension playing out between

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Speaker 1 (03:28):
Analyzing every view from every angle in the Sporting World
Weekend sport call eighty U talks.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
In me, Well, what's worse than six drop catchers? On
day two, a seventh.

Speaker 3 (03:41):
Guns o' rourke into Brooke and that's edge and draking.

Speaker 4 (03:45):
God, oh it's.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
Clean Phillips at gully and that was even simpler than
his first catch.

Speaker 5 (03:50):
He's dropped chalking up number seven.

Speaker 6 (03:55):
And Harry Brook is openly laughing because this is comical.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
This is a clown show.

Speaker 3 (04:01):
He didn't again, didn't move his feet, threw the hands
at it, and it flew to Phillips at gully, not
that quickly, I must admit, and it went in and out.

Speaker 7 (04:11):
Well you think new day, new dawn.

Speaker 8 (04:14):
It's the same old story.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
And it's Matt Heath and the acc team there. The
black Caps didn't necessarily win the war, but they eventually
managed to get Harry Brooke out. Just a few moments ago.

Speaker 5 (04:24):
Matt Henry, mister Darcy comes into brook Broke. Heges this
and he's gone, he's out. Finally he's island of Court one.
There was a poor shot from Brook, a tired shot, and.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
Thank the Lord that Blundell took a catch, and.

Speaker 5 (04:43):
The fortunate son Harry Brook has gone for one hundred
and seventy one.

Speaker 9 (04:48):
Yeah, one hundred and seventy one to six, Harry.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
Brook, Yeah, so many drop catches. England now three hundred
and eighty seven to seven. That's a lead of thirty
nine early on day three. Joining us now to look
at the Test match to this point is former Black
Caps player and coach John Bracewell, joined us on weekend
Sport afternoon, John, Thanks for your time.

Speaker 10 (05:09):
No problem at all.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
Well where do you see this Test match at with
England now developing a bit of a lead.

Speaker 10 (05:16):
Yeah, well it's moving in at three day three, the
wicket flattening out. England in a position where where you
always look forward to attacking the second new ball as
opposed to having to defend it. So they're looking to accelerate.
But having picked up two wickets this morning, New Zealand

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will be hopeful that news they can keep England's lead.

Speaker 11 (05:41):
Down to.

Speaker 10 (05:44):
Under three figures and I think that they'll be quite
happy with their morning's work if they can do that.
But you know, England hold the trump card at the moment,
with f folks still at the wicket and looking in
reasonable form and the wicket looking as though it's flattening out.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
We'll get to the drop catches in a moment. But
that Harry Brookennings, he is a one player to watch.
What did you make off as not?

Speaker 10 (06:09):
Yeah, I think he's a sensational player in New Zealand conditions.
Certainly he likes the bounce. He stays really still. But
he's a wonderful ball striker, you know, clean clean, heaterer
of the ball, plays in two forms of the game
for England on a regular basis. So he's a very

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very clean striker and a nice player watch as well.
In terms of entertainment.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
Seven dropped catches, five of them to Harry Brook. There
was six yesterday, one more this morning, three of those
from Tom Latham. What have you made of the fielding
in this Test match, John.

Speaker 10 (06:50):
Yeah, it's interesting because I've always thought that Hagley Oval
was a difficult catching ground, but not behind the wicket.
It's been a difficult catching ground square of the wicket
where the shadows come from the bank and the trees,
and also so the low sun going from east to west.
And you've seen catches dropped in that square of the

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wicket area consistently at domestic and international level since the
since it's become a Test match cricket ground, but not
behind the wicket. It's always been quite a simple ground
catching ground behind the wicket because of the large side
screens and the embankment. So it's a bit out of

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the bit out of the ordinary, and I think that
New Zealand will be very disappointed in the way they've
caught in this match obviously.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
Is it just a one offful? Is the fielding? Look,
there's been a few drops in the Sri Lanka from
memory India there are a couple, but Harving they won
the series three nil. There the fielding just seems to
have gone off the boil a little bit over the
last twelve months or so. Is that fear Well?

Speaker 10 (08:01):
You think about the two guys who have been the
predominant conference, which is Tom Latham and and Glynn Phillips,
I mean, and that's in fact they're two of our
best catches, so it's really out of the ordinary and
they haven't dropped many catches anywhere. Phillips drops the catches
generally a speculative catch that he's managed to get one

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hand to and a thumb you know, and full diving.
So it's very very strange or unusual that those two
have dropped so many catches in this match. Not so
much Comway, who dropped that one in the outfield. You know,

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he tends to graze it out there a little bit.
He's got good hands close, but you know, it's just
one of those things that he got there and he
was between strides on the on the on the on
the on the catch and he spilled it and healed it.
But those other two very very odd indeed, because late Night,

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I think is probably one of the best catches we've
ever had behind the wicket.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
You're just thinking back to your time and tied to
the black Caps, John, you know, fielding was a real
strength of the team. What did you put in too
then as a coaching group and yourself to make sure
that that black Caps fielding was tip top.

Speaker 10 (09:23):
I think it's just a New Zealand thing. It's the
thing that we all think we can contribute to as
a team. It's almost our rugby mentality and team ethos
that that that comes through. Whereas we can be as
good and if not better given out given our numbers,

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our resources than any other team in the world if
we put the effort in so you know, sort of
that thing that was, it becomes almost like our mark
of New Zealand teams. Let's be the best in the
world at one thing at least, which is fielding, Bertie.

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When you've got somebody like Richard Hadley who's creating opportunities,
you also don't want to let your best player down.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
What happened when you did, John.

Speaker 10 (10:20):
I can still it's the only thing I can still
remember negatively about my cricket career as dropping catches off
Richard Eddley. I can't remember dropping catches off other guys.
But if you drop catches off Richard Eddley, not because
of his repercussion, it's because you felt so much more
responsible for the outcome of the match if you did,

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because you knew that he probably dictated the outcome of
the match. So you spent a lot of time catching
because of that responsibility that you held.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
Indeed, Sir John Bracell with us on News Talks the
bowling wise, I guess the drop catches is the headline.
But we've seen Nathan Smith make his debut and sort
of a rebuild going on with the black Caps bowlingin Lila.
Have have you made what have you made of the
bowling attack and this test to this point.

Speaker 10 (11:11):
Yeah, I quite I quite like Smith. There's a third
fourth seema, so you know, they're introducing him into the
game really well. So it's a handy introduction. I think
Duffy is a good bowler and he's yet to have that,
you know, that real opportunity as well. So our stocks

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aren't too bad. And I think in domestic cricket we've
got a number of young players starting to come, well,
not necessarily young players, you know, we've got a number
of players who are starting to emerge into the game,
and I think New Zealand have done a pretty good
job and introducing them through some sometimes through the white
ball game into test cricket while we have this movement

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slightly out with the bolt and then then Sowby and
Wagner starting to move on and move out of the game.
So I think New Zealand have done a pretty good
job in terms of developing that confidence and that depth
in regards to our next generation of bowlers.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
Indeed, and Tim Salvey bowing out, I'm trying to think,
did you introduce him to test cricket, John will he
was there your era.

Speaker 10 (12:26):
Yeah, it was actually you know, only because I knew
that he played rugby and I thought.

Speaker 12 (12:33):
I mean, as he stands on the customer's going to
be a team man, yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
Or as he stands on the custom of his test retirement.
You know, some sixteen years later, what have you made
of his career and how he's poised to bow out
of this team.

Speaker 10 (12:45):
Oh, I think he's just been the genuine great I
think he's been a genuine great leader. I think he's
been a genuine great bowler. And he's and he's sacrificed
a lot for New Zealand cricket over the years in
all three format. It's always been available. When he goes back,
he always enjoys playing for d you know, he's almost

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like that club guy, come good cricketer. And whilst he's yes, yes,
he's gained some really good financial rewards from the modern
day game, he's deserved those rewards, but he's also returned
to New Zealand, you know, performance after performance and effort
after effort, and that can't be denied. Also for the

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amount of bowling he's done. He's a remarkably good catcher
and he's taken some wonderful catches in the slips for
New Zealand for a quick bowler's so his contribution can't
be underestimated and certainly if it's exaggerated, it deserves to be.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
Just Finally, John with the Black Caps left the bowl
last on this wicket at Hagley Oval. In terms of
how it develops the pitch over the last three four
five days of this Test match, what are you expecting
to see as this Test match, as you said, moving
day and then comes to a close over the next
couple from the pitch perspective.

Speaker 10 (14:11):
Yeah, Well, New Zealand is one of the rare countries
in the world where your best opportunity to win the
matches in the first innings and then if you don't
take advantage of that first innings then your opportunities to
win the match decline. Based on the fact that our
wickets tend to get better as games go on, and

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the fourth innings is often sometimes the best time to
bat because our wickets become so sort of benign of
any attacking for spin or variable bounce. So the longer
England bat now, the harder it is for New Zealand
to be able to be able to win this match.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
Will we watch on with interest?

Speaker 10 (14:56):
Thank you?

Speaker 2 (14:57):
Very much for your expertise, John appreciated time on News
Talk ZB this afternoon.

Speaker 10 (15:01):
Absolutely no problem at all.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
That is John Brace will form a Black Cats player
and coach, giving his of where we sit on day
three of this Test match between the black Caps and
England at Hagley Oval, England just taking over four hundred
runs four hundred and one for seven. That's a lead
of fifty three. Atkinson and Stokes at the Wakkit had
nearly ten overs of the new ball to this point

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as well for the black Caps, and they've managed to
grab a couple of wickets in this session, but seven
drop catches, six of them on day so a further
one this morning. Five to the face of the bats
of Harry Brooks that were dropped. You can't drop a
play like Harry Brooks that many times have the black
Caps missed a golden opportunity to take charge of this

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Test match. Maybe not just one golden opportunity, but seven
golden opportunities. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty nine two
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The match well set up at four down for seventy
yesterday for the black Caps. To kick on. As we
are about twenty four hours removed from that. It is
England to have the match in their control. But I

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thought the black Caps had another one there. They don't.
It was a bounce ball to the deep. Have my
hopes up there for a second four hundred and two
for seven the black Caps have they dropped a golden
opportunity to take charge of this Test match? Oh eight
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the text mess For the text message, has the halo
of the Indian series already worn off? Or is this

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still a Test match for the taking at Hagleyoval for
the black Caps. Your calls and texts welcome after this.
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Speaker 1 (16:49):
The big issues on and after fields call Oh eight
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Speaker 2 (16:58):
Talk ZBB twenty six and a half after midday on
News Talk ZB Weekends Sport Elliott Smith and for Jason Pine.
This weekend Talking Cricket in England four hundred and eight
for seven. We'll get you to Hegley overlan Christ yet
before the hour's out with Andrew Ortison man there as well.
It's got a Zaye first this afternoon afternoon. Zane.

Speaker 4 (17:18):
Yeah, mate, Look excuse the car noise going past. I've
pulled over on the motorway when you've.

Speaker 13 (17:23):
Decided to take some talk back.

Speaker 4 (17:25):
But I'm just extremely frustrated you would think that we've
come off of three mil loss to India instead of
winning three mills. I just I can't quite believe it. Actually,
the catching's got a volkle and we know sometimes you
can miss twill three, but seven, I don't know. Are

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they practicing? Is it as much of a Is it
as much of a Is it taken as seriously as
it was under previous coaching administrations. I don't know. And
I disagree with John Baseball about Blatham. I've seen him
grass call a few over the last year, as have
the team as a whole. One thing I want to

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point out about the fielding is the this this business
when the ball goes high in the year above your
eyes of catching, hands down with your hands open and
try to cradle it into your chest. Mate, you catch
those reverse cup and your crouch if need be that
one in the outfield yesterday that Conway dropped, he tried

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to do that. I don't know where this has come from.
It's it's it's really I've noticed it in the New
Zealand team and they've grass quite a few in the outfield.
Luckily in India. I mean, I remember Ravendra and one
other player dropped a couple of dollies out there in
the outfield, but thankfully they were about the only two.

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We caught everything else, which is why we won that test.
You know, just absolutely not good enough.

Speaker 13 (19:02):
Just finally, mate, No.

Speaker 4 (19:05):
I was just going to quickly say, because I don't
want to hold that whole lines changes, I'm sorry, Shelby,
you're retiring. I don't even know why he's playing in
the States. I'm listening to the cricket commentary driving on
the other channel. Ian Smith is saying, you can't have
this guy out in the bowling. If he's only going
to bowl one hundred and twenty two committers an hour,

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I question what he's doing in the team. I also
question what Blundell's doing in the team. Conway or Latham
can keep that would just be a stopgap measure, but
it will enable young to come in who's in form.
Blundell hasn't scored a run in eighteen months. We just
cannot continue to carry those two players. I mean, it's

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all well and good to be all combo. Yeah, we
want the series in India three n but if you're
not performing, you're not performing. And those are the two
players that I would drop as well as I'd be
calling for serious fielding practice in the days between this team,
which by the way, is not over and I'm still

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lock out in New Zealand, down of either conjuring something
up or at least fighting hard for a.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
Drawle indeed, Zane, thank you very much for that. Yes,
I mean certainly not out of the Test matches. As
John brace Will said that if they get them for
out under one hundred's the leads sixty seven at the moment,
that psychological barrier of the one hundred can be quite
intimidating in terms of Test cricket. Black app certainly not
out of it, but you make some good points there, Zay.
Let's got a Chris afternoon.

Speaker 10 (20:35):
Chris.

Speaker 14 (20:36):
Yeah, I always enjoy your rugby commentries. Thank you. Yeah,
I don't about zaying, actually, I don't think he understands
Test cricket that well, probably more twenty twenty. You can't
have you to Oupenny batsman, one of you two Apeny
batsman keeping in the Test.

Speaker 10 (20:53):
Well, no, you.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Couldn't have Lathan would have to drop down to five
and then you have to find a new opening. Will
Young hasn't been a great opener at first class or
Test level, so there would probably cause more issues than
it solves, to be honest.

Speaker 14 (21:05):
Yeah, to be fair a little Young though. They've mucked
him around. They've played him from about one to five.
But listen, what two points of a load to make
one is? What's really I mean, I've I've support in
New Zealand cricket for sixty eighty five years. What's really
annoying is that in England are in the top bottom
four in this World Test Championship. Incredible. I mean, they

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can blow to everything McCallum about basball, but they've never
won an ASHES in Australia and they haven't won and
they won't win this World Championship number three either. On paper,
we're a better side than they are and that's the
frustrating thing. This is not just about dropping a test.
This is actually about if we drop it, we drop it,
we can't get to the final World Test Championship.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
Well, that's right, and they've done so well to pull
themselves back in with that series in India to drop
it on home soil against You're right this England team actually,
isn't that flash when they went to Pakistan were beaten.
There a long way to go on this Test match,
of course, Chris, but it feels like just taking a
step backwards ever so much from this team.

Speaker 14 (22:04):
Yeah, we should have got four hundred. They should have
been out for two fifty.

Speaker 10 (22:07):
Hey.

Speaker 14 (22:07):
The other thing is that that halo about three no
in England will never three nol in India will never
go away. And I'll tell you something I'm gonna ask
Pinty about in the new year is get Shastra on.

Speaker 4 (22:17):
You know, I was.

Speaker 14 (22:17):
I was on Australia last week watching the first Test
on TV, Gil Christ says to Shastri after they something
the Australians, which which of course we're all sad about
over here, aren't we. Gil. Chris goes to Shastri, how
the hell did you lose three ELT in New Zealand Shastri,
who who doesn't, who's quite arrogant, goes, Oh, it's the

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pictures in India. Our top players don't play much cricket
in India, for God's sake. They had the three going
to be the three of the best four best spinners
in the world.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
They do, and you've said a comment they yeah, that
can be an I don't even know what to say
about that. I didn't see that. As you say, Christen,
you know you manufacture the pictures to suit your bowlers.
They have, as you said that the best spinners in
the world, not like the black Cats, have got a
great You know, no one went into the series saying
Mitchell Satner's a great weapon. He had great success over there.

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But that seems like incredible excuse making from rubbish Shastri,
doesn't it.

Speaker 15 (23:19):
Well.

Speaker 14 (23:19):
Before before that series England lost four one, Australia lost
three one, So you know, and the other thing that
mister Shastri needs to remember, we have beaten India in
sixth the last nine tests, two lost, one drawn, and
one of those six was the World Test Championship. So
mister Shastri, you need to apologize in your Jellen Cricket

(23:40):
We've got it.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
There's bunnies sic. And I'm going to get that for
Piney to night down to try and get rubbish Shastri
just to start playing this last three or four minutes
we've had, Chris, appreciate your call on a news talk
ZB this afternoon eight hundred and eighty eighty nine two
nine two. The text line as well, let's keep going
and say good afternoon to David House things Elliott Smith,
the former good Guy.

Speaker 3 (24:01):
Hello, hell are you?

Speaker 2 (24:02):
I'm good? How are you right?

Speaker 16 (24:04):
And not terrorizing people with the Incan scores out of
South Africa?

Speaker 2 (24:08):
That's right. I stay Clara Navis since you pulled me
up on that, Dave Well, yes, or.

Speaker 16 (24:15):
Eight years ago or nine years ago as it will be.
But anyway, actually for the guy that's had a couple
of calls back about the World Chess Championship, but we
can't make it now anyway because South Africa are going
to wipe Sri Lanka. They'll win the second Test and
they've got two tests. They're only going to win one
against Pakistan and they're in. So it's going to be
Australia South Africa at lords anyway, no matter what happens.

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I mean, you just can't see Sri Lanka getting out
of the series, even though you support them.

Speaker 8 (24:43):
So that's where that is.

Speaker 16 (24:44):
There's a couple of things I heard Zay before. Look, Blundele,
no matter what's going to happened, I'd agree with Zaye
on that, But our beloved coach isn't going to drop him.
The only thing I'd like to do is see him
move from six to seven and give Phillips at least
a chance to building innings without having to worry about tail.

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From that point, he's going to see the series out. Blundle,
I mean, he only just held that catch for thing
this morning.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
I completely agree. I don't know why they haven't why
Phillips isn't batting at six and Blundle at seven. Phillips
seems a much more assured test batter and is right
without that pressure of having to contribute to the tail
or balance the strike or hold the strike. I think
that would be a position that would much better suit him.

Speaker 16 (25:32):
Well, he needs to do it without having the stress
of the tail there and so on like that.

Speaker 17 (25:36):
So to me, that's that.

Speaker 16 (25:39):
I mean, As for how the year i'd like to
I mean, I can see why they're giveing the new ball.
It's the best chance to swing it, but really you
need to give a rak the new ball these days.
I think it was one of Lathan's tactical mistakes. But
there's two other points I just wanted to make. I mean,
this team very very good. I still think they might
get out of this Test with a dry I mean

(26:00):
I think when you get this lead of one hundred,
which they will do, we're gonna have to get four
hundred and second. Things in hunt like hell that we
hold a catches the second time. But I'll tell you
what interested me was this whole Test match thing. Get Actually,
one of the things I grew up with was listening
to Channel nine in the eighties. How poor TV and

(26:22):
Z were as a commentary team in the eighties in
New Zealand with Peter Willen. It was horrible, probably before
your era, of course, But the thing being how craps
commentary team is that we're listening to now. If you
take out Craig McMillan, and if Richardson was there, which
is obviously not, I'm assuming it's because of his new job,

(26:44):
they're awful. I remember in Smith making comment last year
of how poor their team were as a commentary team
I'm referring to. And we had some chief executive out
of tvn Z say how wonderful Spotty Stevenson is a
play by play commentator? Why do we have a play
by play commentator? And that you don't get that around

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the world now, apart from Mark how in Australia, and
it is different than most of them anyway, but this
team is a point. There's no humor, there's no do
we have to hear Frankie McKay just because she's a woman.
If she is, she ain't the best woman commentator in
the country. What happened to Katie Martin?

Speaker 4 (27:22):
I don't know.

Speaker 16 (27:23):
I just think it's very disappointing.

Speaker 18 (27:25):
Really, it's just my.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
No, everyone's got opinion on the commentary team, David, appreciate
your point of view on expertise, So look, as a
commentator myself, I'd try and stay clear of having too
many opinions on the state of other commentary teams. But
that's for you guys, the listeners. You guys can have
plenty of opinions on the commentary team and how it's

(27:47):
all set up across the Test season. England to move
through to four hundred and twenty six for seven, being
Stokes is not out sixty fives, that lead continuing to
build for England's seventy eight runs. What about twenty odd
minutes away from lunch, that is twenty two away from
one on News Talk Zbtach Bright come back with more

(28:07):
of your calls after this one.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
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Speaker 2 (28:17):
Baby twenty from one on News Talk ZB talking crack
at this hour on week in Sport. Let's go back
to the lines on eight hundred eighty eighteen eighty afternoon, Tim,
How are you.

Speaker 13 (28:29):
Good?

Speaker 19 (28:30):
Mate?

Speaker 13 (28:30):
I think England's league will probably go more so one
fifty one seventy five because Stokes is still there and
unfortunately our fielding is just because the Test match. I
don't know what it is because over in India they
were keeping everything they were but you know, we have
those games. Obviously they've got to settle into the pitch.

(28:51):
They're going to settle into the playing back here in
New Zealand. But yeah, I think we're going to have
the bit well and we're probably looking at maybe sitting
a total of one eighty to two hundred for England and.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
Then hoping that the ballers can can do the job
with it. That's a small target, isn't it. But I
suppose that might be the best case scenario at this point.

Speaker 13 (29:11):
Well there is. I don't think we're going to score
four or five hundred rounds unless it's the draw. But quickly,
I just wanted to talk about at the you know,
because you're from Cannbury, right I am. What's the field
down south? Are they school Phoenix or are they dumping
on It's a good question.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
Actually I haven't been home to christ Church in a week,
but I know there's a Wellington Phoenix home game in
christ Church in January, if memory serves so. I think
Wellington's trying to consolidate the power base around the rest
of the country. Now they can't have Auckland, oh.

Speaker 13 (29:46):
Exactly, but man, there's an Auckland thing well at the
top of the table. They're probably going to win this weekend.
That will be five and now, and then the Phoenix
comes down next weekend and we're looking at twenty five
to thirty thousand at Mounts Stadium.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
That's going to be huge, isn't it for a domestic
football game in New Zealand To get that sort of
crowd at Mount Smart is going to be quite incredible.

Speaker 13 (30:05):
Oh and we need to talk about it more because
the two best teams have a competent New Villain teams.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
Yeah, what a start, what a start? Absolutely? Yeah, thanks Tim,
appreciate your call. And we've got Max Matter out of
Auckland if C to join the program after two o'clock
this afternoon as they play Newcastle five o'clock at Mount
Smart Stadium. Also talking Bo Bush with the Australian A
League Plats Association Football Plaids Association. He will join us
as well, but of a tiff going on between the

(30:30):
players and the organization that runs the A League bowltous
a bit more about that after two o'clock on News
Talk zib B. Let's go to Tony afternoon.

Speaker 9 (30:41):
Hi afternoon, guys, have the game?

Speaker 2 (30:43):
Good thank yourself?

Speaker 18 (30:44):
Not you Ben.

Speaker 9 (30:46):
I like the commentators. I think I think they're funny.
That Sehn Stevenson's the crag up.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
Yeah exactly. Look, everyone's got a personal opinion, don't they,
on whether the commentary team suits them or don't and
you know some people don't like them, some people do
And that's the magic of opinions and TV and radio.

Speaker 9 (31:07):
It must be a hard job.

Speaker 10 (31:08):
It can't be easy, certainly not.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
What are you making the Test met at the moment, Tony,
h I.

Speaker 9 (31:13):
Think we're going to read those drop catches yesterday?

Speaker 2 (31:17):
Yeah, I mean you can't drop six in a day,
can you? And expect to be in front of the
Test match? And another one this morning? Given you know,
play like Harry Brooke and you know Ben Stokes at
the crease still just feels like maybe might be just
slipping away from New Zealand a little bit at this point.

Speaker 9 (31:34):
Yeah, it looks like it. I'm watching it live now
and being stakes. He just looks very comfortable out here,
doesn't he.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
Well it is his hometown, uh Oval in christ j
So he looks very assured that he puts a high
price on his wicket.

Speaker 14 (31:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (31:50):
The hot tonight, aren't they?

Speaker 2 (31:52):
The five o'clock five games looking to win in a row.
I don't think anyone could have believed that kind of
start that they'd make. Yeah, yeah, can I Tony? Thanks
for your this afternoon appreciated. Oh eight hundred eighty ten
eighty nine two nine two for a text message. Couple
of texts, and Lee says, there's love the fact that

(32:15):
it's a three match test series because this match is
only one may basin sink the English. I like the
pun next test starting later next week of course, and
then set in part two, round things out and there's
the test schedule done for the summer, done and dusted.
I suppose they had the three tests in India, but

(32:36):
they went to New Zealand conditions and I don't think
there's any test matches on the horizon for quite some
time after that. So make the most of these next
three weeks or so while it lasts, because there is
going to be a dearth of test cricket coming very
very shortly. Thank you Tony for the core, Lee for
the text. Let's go too. Hagley Oval with England four

(32:58):
hundred and thirty four for seven hour Man on the ground,
Our create correspondent Andrew Ortison afternoon orders.

Speaker 17 (33:05):
Greeting sith yes brutal da again for New Zealand. Here
it looks like England getting on with the job. And yeah,
have extended that lead now for closing in on it's
closing what that's eighty seven now I think is it?

Speaker 2 (33:18):
It is eighty seven.

Speaker 17 (33:19):
They've pushed out too and it's going to be a
difficult task for New Zealand coming in after this. You
would suspect with that pressure on. So we've seen today
with Harry Brook getting this amazing hospitality from the black Caps.
Effectively they got a fifth dropped catch off his batting.
This time it was Phillips and the gully who put

(33:40):
him down. That was on one hundred and forty seven.
He was eventually dismissed for one seventy one and it
looks like six runs there again now this time from
the bat of gush Atkinson, who does have a test century.
He's moved to forty four and that's now for forty
one four seven.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
This lead at ninety three at the moment could balloon
very very quickly. There's the psychological barrier of one hundred,
of course, which they're obviously probably going to take off
barring some quick black Caps will gets here. But the
beggar it gets, the harder it is for the black
Caps to pull themselves back into this contest.

Speaker 17 (34:17):
Well, that's right, and you know with the spatting to
come with the at considered the wicket at the moment,
even Brighton cass has got our first class center. He's
been next in in Stokes. Continuing on Stokes seventy at
the moment Atkinson forty four. I think that's going to
be an enormous amount of pressure to be able to
be able to work. And I'm just seeing the power
there again from Atkinson through the covers off the back

(34:39):
foot and that is out of the boundary floor four
more so, he's living closer this half century, going at
a raid of knots. But he's got their forty eight
or thirty five balls so far. So there's that element.
They've bristled with aggression in England and they've been of
course he's in with a fifth drop catch of Brook
the seventh for the innings. In terms of drop catchers,
they've let themselves down in that regard. It's going to

(35:01):
be a tough ride from here.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
What if you made of the fielding because it feels
to me like it has been going off the well
for a wee while. Now is this a one off
or is it more symptomatic of something else than the
black Caps environment?

Speaker 17 (35:14):
Yeah, it it hasn't felt as sharp as as it
has in the past. Is all I think is in
the ear. It is the work growing around the ground,
and there's the cat's being taken. It has been taken
by lots of things, just looking out from beyond the
ted here. So that is the dismissal of Gus Atkinson
for forty eight off what was thirty six balls in

(35:37):
the now four forty five for eight. So yeah, hopefully
they can from a new Zinom perspective at least cut
down on that lead. So yeah, just speaking of the
field in this one, there's a good example of how
it should be.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
That's right, sharp hands, just a jinx your call. Yeah,
that's more of that, more of that, just finally orders,
I guess, being Stokes at the crease at the moment.
We've seen Harry Brooks knuckle down, but Ben Stokes puts
a high price on his wicket. We've seen that in
excuse me, previous test endings that he's had the ashes,
et cetera, et cetera. He's a difference, probably, isn't he

(36:12):
Between one hundred and fifty leads for England in a
lead just over one hundred.

Speaker 17 (36:17):
I think so, and I would expect, you know, we
could potentially see some real aggression here from Stokes from
him on and given what we've seen, as you say,
in the past and what he's now able to play
in a bit of a nemesis I think for New
Zealand as well as all that element of the World
Cup Final, and I think never goes away when in
stakes comes to the record, allbit in the white ball format.

(36:40):
So you're thinking back to that twenty nineteen.

Speaker 13 (36:42):
Moment at Lords when he was able to get England through.
So yeah, that's certainly just as.

Speaker 17 (36:49):
The narrative, doesn't it when England play New Zealand and
it's it's been a good condition. I mean's just thinking
too today it's playing in a pretty good spirit and
you know, just I was actually walking through the Botanic
Gardens and Brendan McCallum and the coaching team were wandering
through as well. I think there's just such a rarity
the will forless guys. I mean, England play so regularly
compared to these yelands. As you're making the point the

(37:10):
forties zons next series I think July against Zimbabwe unless
they make the World Test Championship Final. But just the
rare thing you know sometimes these guys are under armed
guard around the world, but just about to wander through.
You know this to be like christ Church Garden City
and to be able to take that liberty is really
something to cherish.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
Spectacular walk it is as well through the botanic gardens. Orders.
We'll lead get back to proceedings and I have some
some filing to do. Look look forward to a touching
base a bit later on, and looking forward to a
comprehensive wrap of what was provided in the lunch room
as well.

Speaker 17 (37:48):
I'll be sure to note that down astidy. But just
leaving you here now full forty five for eight England
with the Stokes still working on seventy and Brighton Cass
yet to score.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
Thank you very much Andrew Ordison, our MA and at
Hagley Oval for all the updates, our credit correspondent, and
as he said, England four hundred and forty five eight.
That lead now at ninety seven. Stoaks not outs on seventy.
They started the day what five down earlier in the
morning and the black Caps have taken three wickets, but

(38:17):
certainly you'd say on the balance of things, probably England's
morning again has Ben Stokes goes big again. We'll take
a break here on news Talk ZEBB. Come back wrap
the hour after.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
This the scoop from the track field and the court
on your home of fort weekends for it Talk.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
It is seven away from one on news Talk ZBB
England now passed one hundred in the lead, one hundred
and three, the lead four hundred and fifty, one for eight.
The black Caps just trying to mop up this tale
before lunch on day three of the cricket Test at
Hagley Over Will O'Rourke charging in at the moment one
for one hundred and eight. Not having much luck will

(39:00):
O'Rourke at this point in time, the Black Cats dearly
love to get one more before lunch and head into
the kitchenettes or the cafeteriat at Hagley Oval with their
tails up. Or keep you updated with a lunch score
on that here on Weekend Sport after one o'clock. Interesting chat,
So looking forward to this one. Jack White, the former

(39:22):
coach of the spring Box two thousand and seven, won
a World Cup with them, and he coached around the
globe as well, did the Brumbies. For a bird is
that Montpellier he was linked with the Wolbies and end
up doing that one. He's now back at the Blue Bulls.
Is the director of Rugby pen to a really interesting
column for Rugby Pass which you can read in the
last twenty four hours or so, basically saying that New

(39:44):
Zealand Rugby should not pick players from abroad. Of course,
this is an ongoing debate that we're having in this
country and all backs coach Scott Robertson putting forth his
views again and we'll do so to the New Zealand
Rugby board in the coming month or two around his perspective.
But Jack White, basically saying New Zealand Rugby do not

(40:05):
do it, will join us after the one o'clock news
to explain his rationale why he believes it would be
a misstep for New Zealand Rugby to start picking players
from abroad. Adam Peacock's going to join us as well
with the latest out of Austracaian Sport Wallaby's Island of
course early hours tomorrow morning. But I want to discuss
that test Series one kneel down the black Cat, sorry

(40:28):
India leading Australia in that series second test starting on Friday.
I want to get Adam Peacock's a reaction to that.
I'm sure he'll have an interesting perspective on that. And
after two o'clock it's all football here on Weekends. Max
Matter out of Auckland FC to join the program. They
done for their fifth straight win this afternoon at a

(40:48):
Mount Smart Stadium that is looking likely to be a
little bit raining as the Newcastle Jets come to town.
Max Matter to join the program After two o'clock here
on a News Talk ZB England. Four hundred and fifty
six for eight. This will probably be the last over
before lunch. The lead is at one hundred and Nathan
Smith trundling in in the black Caps lineup at the moment.

(41:10):
Ben Stokes on strike where will take a break and
come back with the news, sport and weather. Sandy and
Richard's coming up with new sport and weather here on
News Talk ZB. And after one o'clock Jake White joins
us talking all Blacks eligibility where it is three away
from one.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
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Speaker 2 (41:43):
Welcome back in to Weekend Sport for the thirtieth of
November twenty twenty four. They have gone to lunch in
the cricket four hundred and fifty nine for eight. As
you heard in the news, that's the lead of one
hundred and eleven four England at lunch on day three.
We'll check back in with Andrew Ordison after two o'clock
to get his assessment of how the middle seat of

(42:06):
the day is moving along. Play back underway around twenty
to two. Coming up this hour on the program. Jack White,
two cardsand and seven Rugby World Cup winning coach with
the spring Box to join the program. Written an interesting
opinion piece on why New Zealand Rugby should stick with

(42:27):
their current eligibility laws. Jack White, just a moment of
two away we head across the Tasman Adam Peacock, our
Aussie correspondent later in the hour as well, talk a
bit of cricket, bit of rugby with Adam after two o'clock.
Plenty of the round ball football Bo Bush, boss of
the Players Professional Footballers Association across the Tasman. They're not

(42:50):
happy with the way things are being run in the
A leagues. So while it's all rosy over here in
Auckland FC's top of the pops and Wellington Phoenix tucked
in behind, there are some real issues in the A League.
Bo Bush is going to explain what the players are
up in arms about after two o'clock and we get
into Auckland FC camp as well. Max Matter to join

(43:12):
the program ahead of the fifth game of their first
ever campaign at five o'clock this afternoon against Newcastle eight
and a half. After one on newsed Talk zbb well,
Jack White wrote a very interesting opinion piece. He might
be able to check it out on Rugby Pass this
afternoon if you get a moment or so. Eligibility wise,

(43:35):
always a thorny topic when it comes to New Zealand
rugby and the All Blacks picking players from overseas or not.
It's again read its heads with All Blacks coach Scott
Robinson asked about it after the final game of the
Test season last week by media. He's spoken about it before,
of course, and has used the phrase he used last

(43:57):
week open mind or keeping an open mind before, but
this time he's going to present to the New Zealand
Rugby board arms with a bit more information some data.
He's had fourteen tests in charge. Of course, this year
he's coached at test level for the first time. He's
got more evidence as to where the game is heading.
And being able to pick players from overseas certainly seems

(44:20):
that his perspective is some ability to pick players from
off sure this, of course, with Richie Monger currently playing
his rugby at Toshiba in Japan, suggestions and reports abound
that he is poised to sign with New Zealand Rugby. Again,
nothing official on that front at this point in time.

(44:42):
As I say, former Springboks coach Jack Wader will cut
winning one at that writing column for Rugby Pass in
the last day or so, and this line from it,
Scott Robinson's men would have been frustrated to have gone
down to France by a point and failed to put
away Italy after they put ninety six points on them
just over a year ago. I can understand them looking
around and saying, maybe you just bring in the overseas guys,

(45:03):
But I don't think that's a silver lot to solve
their desperation to retain the crown as the world's best team.
It's a calm with reading, but to explain more. Jake White,
former spring Box coach now the Bulls director of Rugby,
joins us on News Talk ZEBB this afternoon. Jake, thanks
so much for your time.

Speaker 12 (45:21):
Thank you. I'm glad I can join you guys.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
Jake, I really enjoyed reading that piece that you wrote
for Ruggy Pass. It was thought provoking. Look, I've tried
to summarize it for our listeners, but in your own words,
perhaps explain to us why you believe that it would
be the wrong step for New Zealand rugby to open
the eligibility doors to players from abroad.

Speaker 14 (45:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (45:43):
I look, I'm old school and I and I you know,
they will. It's a debate. It's a debate, but there
will be people that go, which they have been. I've
been following the bloggers and there's a lot of you know,
a lot of sentiment about come on, it's it's in
modern times. It's players can earn money. Surely they can
player this season, play for their country. I just think,

(46:06):
you know, it's not it's not my chance that the
fall out of the five or father of the toub
six teams don't pick foreign based players. England and France
don't he's illand don't an island, don't and and they've
all they all can they consistently stay on the top
of world rugby. So you know, I asked myself the question,

(46:27):
and I asked a couple of guys because I knew
you were going to find me tonight. And Eliot's very simple.
If we had lost the quarterfinal by one point, and
I know we were won the quarter final by one,
the semi final by one, the final by one, if
we had lost the quarterfinal by one point, would the
world be following our model. It's saying that picking foreign
based players is the way to go forward, and I'm

(46:48):
not so sure that that would give a model even
we'd want.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
It's focused around I guess Richie Mulwanga from a New
Zealand perspective and getting him back from overseas. But if
the doors were open and he was still playing in
Japan you could pick him from. Then it would allow
Sam Kine, for example, to be pecks. But do you
think it's a dangerous president to peck it on the
basis of say one player or one group of players
at a certain point in history.

Speaker 12 (47:14):
Well, you could have won the World Cup with Nick
Evans and you went for Stephen Donald. You know, so
I saw again someone said to me the fourth or
fifth and when you had Nick Evans playing at all,
Equins was on top of his game, playing in the UK,
didn't get picked for the World Cup. Pick Stephen Donald,
who was white. They fishing ended up winning the World Cup.
So you know it ironic. I think that if you look,

(47:37):
you really have never had to pick foreign those players.
And I've still won three World Cups, So you know,
I don't I don't think that it is my mumble opinion.
I don't think that which is no Longer is going
to make you win the World Cup. I think you've
got enough rugby players there. And if it means that
you're going to pick rich In no Longer and Tazzell
as a loose forward, you end up winning the World Cup. Well,

(47:58):
when I think the problem is much deeper than you guys.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
Foresee at the top of your call, and you mentioned
some of the sacrifice is Rigg Combay and the finger
being amputated Buck Shelford of course, and the stray boots
and yeah, Sam Whitelocke's grandfather. You mentions old Nelson dale
Zel who was injured in the Second World War went
on to play for the All Blacks, and that sacrifice.

(48:23):
You know, you go overseas, you sacrifice something, and that
isn't in this case in All Blacks Jersey.

Speaker 12 (48:30):
Well, you know, I mean, you know, there's a very
very easy thing to say, you've got a sacrifice, and
sacrifice has got to hurt. I mean, it's easy to say.
You know. I know we're living in modern times. But
I think and I can't overemphasize enough that I think,
having toured New Zealand many times, having what's from outside
how important the Black Jersey is, having read many many,

(48:53):
you know, books about how important the Black jersey is,
having seen many documentaries about how important the Black jerseys,
I think once you open that gate and you allow
foreign players that are playing abroad to pick for your country,
I think you're going to lose something that's very very
unique in your country. And that is the thing.

Speaker 13 (49:11):
I think.

Speaker 12 (49:11):
It keeps the All Blacks from outside, that's the thing
that I see that keeps the All Blacks as competitive
as any country in any sport where you're after you
and I think once you change that, I'm not convinced
you you're ever going to get it back.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
We probably look at South Africa at the moment and go, well,
you can peck all these players from overseas and then
the ones that are developing in urec side like the
one that your director of rugby for and it gives
them a wider pall. But do you think that's not
necessarily it's just a happenstance of because we're at this
point in time South Africa's got the depth. It will
swing back at some other points in New Zealand other

(49:48):
countries around the world that you know, this is just
a moment in time with the depth scenario for the
all Blacks.

Speaker 12 (49:54):
That's exactly what I think. I think it all goes
in cycles.

Speaker 14 (49:57):
You know.

Speaker 12 (49:58):
People said, oh, if it wasn't for pe players playing overseas,
we wouldn't have produced the Canaan Moodies and wouldn't have
produced the youngsters that are coming through. Well, my answer
to that is really simply where did all the young
players come through in the old days? Where did you
know the ass name on the poor villain says the
Lutiakas and all that come through when we had a

(50:19):
generation of players who never left the shores. So I
think it's one eye to suggest that because people are
playing overseas, therefore we produce better players in South Africa.
I really don't believe that that's the case. I mean,
we produced some very very good rugby players, in fact,
some of the best players in the world in the
times that no one was allowed to play over season,

(50:40):
no one was picked from playing overseas, So I genuinely
don't think it's one or the other.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
Two thousand and seven Rugby All Cup winning coach Jake White,
who won up with the spring Box with us on
Weekend Sport, is currently the Blue Balls Director of Rugby.

Speaker 14 (50:55):
Jake.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
Obviously there's been a lot of success for the spring
Box since they changed those eligibility laws and these circumstances
dictating it around the rams and the power of that abroad.
But do you think that anyone will go actually we
need to wind this back and get out players back
playing in South Africa domestically.

Speaker 12 (51:14):
Well, I'll answer your question. If there's anyone that's OVERGA
that once that like that, it's me. I mean, I
coach a provincial fide in South Africa and we must
never kill the grouse that lays the golden neck. If
it's going to be a three four where everyone can
go overseason still play international rugby, then what all happen
is that the domestic rugby in our country will die,
and you know, the supporters won't put money into the game,

(51:36):
the sponsors won't put money into the game, the supporters
won't come to the games and watch live rugby because
the best players will be playing in other competitions. So
you know, we've got to be careful what we wish
for because if all the best players in New Zealand
on ever in New Zealand and the only played for
the All Blacks, well, when you're going to kill your
domestic game. And the one thing New Zealand have managed
to do with a very small population is build up

(51:58):
their grassroots, their club rugby, their schools rugby, their university rugby,
you know, even their women's rugby at this stage. So
you know, there's no doubt in my mind that you know,
once you open the gate, and I say it again,
you're you're going to lose something that's very very special
to New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
Just finally, on that point, Jake, the line your ruggy
past thing is that short term gain for long term
pain because once you open that gate, you can't really
close it, can you. From a New Zealand perspective.

Speaker 12 (52:27):
Well, I mean you go back and rowind the clock.
Once you put a sponse on your jersey, they was gone.
You know. You guys hadn't one for years and years
without having to put asponse on the front of your jumper.
And you saw one World Cups. So it does work.
It does work. I think you know, I just said
to someone to life, I knew you were going to
call me, and I was going to ask you a question.
You know, if I'd said to you ten years ago

(52:50):
that a boyfriend a matter we'd be playing for Scotland,
you would have thought I was crazy. I told you
ten years ago that Israel Plao could play for Australia
and for Tonga, you would have said I'm crazy, you know.
And that's what happened. Is slowly but surely, we just
are eroding the thing that was so unique about our game,
and that was to play for your country, sing the
national anthem. And I, Helen, I came up with an

(53:12):
idea and I know it's completely left field, but so
is where we are now in terms of what old
school people thought, but what's to stop us from in
tenueous palms saying that everybody who plays in the Premiership
in England can play for England, and everyone who plays
in the Japanese League can play for Japan and everyone
that plays in the French League can play for France.
If you te WEE, Fiji and Georgian and you play

(53:34):
in that league, you can play for that country. I mean,
if I said that now, people would go, you lost
your marble stack. You've got no idea where we're going.
But I mean, what's changed?

Speaker 10 (53:44):
We we we.

Speaker 12 (53:45):
You know, I was. I was at Montpellier when when
Duane Famava asked me, please, I need to get out
of my contract. I need to get to Edinburgh. They've
ear marked me as a guy can play for Scotland.
I need to be there by the end of the year.
Otherwise I've used a three year window. If I go
in January, I've got to wait five years. So I was,
I was part of that whole transfer when he was

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earmarked by the Scottish Rugby Union to come across. Now,
I mean, that's why I wrote in that article about
you know, the foreign players as well. I mean, I've never.
I've never, probably because I've lived in a country we
have so many players, a bit like New Zealand. Maybe
I would think differently if I was in a small
nation where I could go in ahead and the best
forty fifty juniors every year, put them in academy and

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then bring them through for my country. But is that
the way it's going to go? Is that where the
mini unions are going to go and start academies where
they where they go and you know, you know, get
and recruit the best juniors and then basically everything in
your country is meaningless because I mean with what you
could have, you could use me example, like like Wales

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if they went and got the fifteen best Tiwi players
at school level and the twenty best South African players
and thirty five players every year when to go and
live in Wales and in five years time those players
are then all ellegible for Wales. I'm not sure. I'm
not sure that's what I'm not sure that's what Welsh
rugby in the in the valleys and where they come

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from would really want as well. So that's why I
said it's a debate, it's not it's not a view
that I think everyone's got an opinion. I just think
that New Zealand need to hang on to the thing
they've held so dearly for so long. Otherwise I think
that I think that whatever they've done in the past
then becomes meaningless.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
Jack White with us on Newstalk zib Be Jack, before
I let you go, it's an interesting point and your
ten years time, maybe down the track it will be
that case. Before you go, I want to get your thoughts.
You started at the start of a World Cup cycle
in two thousand and four. Scott Robertson's done the same.
What what's your view on his first season and charges
as All Black Sea coach.

Speaker 12 (55:51):
Well, I think he had met himself that coaching test
rugby is very different to coaching a provincial side like
the Crsaders. I'm sure he's learned a lot and Zilla
rugby will be back. I think the one thing again
that and this is why I can't. I can't appraud
you enough for praise you enough. I mean, I've been
privy to sitting in a chain room with Jock Hobbs
and Alex Whyley and you know Brian Lahall, so Brian

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Lahall and and you know the legends of the game
sitting next to us in the Chraine room having a
debate about the Test match. And I think the one
thing I think New Zealand they have got the edge
on every other country is they want to get it right.
They want to uphold all the things that are important
and they want to share whatever they have to share
to make sure that their country stays on top of
the world. So you know, I have no doubt whatever

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they whatever mistakes they've made, whatever lessons they need to learn,
I'm sure they will learn them. I'm sure that everyone
involved in New Zealand rugby will will contribute to them
getting better. And I have no doubt that in the
next couple of years New Zealand rugby will get strong
and strong. And it it won't be because when two
or three players back from overseas or play them while
they overseas. For the All Blacks, I still think that

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their rugby culture, the whole, the whole area, everything they
stand for in New Zealand rugby is much stronger than
any individual And let's be fair, has been that has
been the narrative that's come out of New Zealand from
day one is that no player is ever ever, ever
you know, stronger or ever more important than the jersey
and you know long made that last Jake.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
White, It's been a pleasure catching up with you. Thank
you very much for your thoughts and wish you the
best of luck tomorrow morning against Connaitt, New Zealand time.

Speaker 12 (57:30):
Thank you, thanks so much. Let all the best that.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
Is Jake White joining us on News Talk ZB this afternoon.
You caught up with them in Galway, of all places,
the Blue Balls playing Connacht in the URC tomorrow morning.
Lucky enough to get some of Jake White's time. Great
to get an outsider's perspective on that eligibility. When I
saw that piece, because there's been a lot of Coleminsch's
written this year from in New Zealand and externally saying

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the All Blacks need to change this election policy and
need to pick players from Japan or wherever else players
might be playing, it was interesting to get a World
Cup winning coaches perspective from someone outside the country. Here's
as you heard, there very much against the prospect of
selecting players from abroad for the All Blacks. A specific

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set of circumstances has led to South Africa doing it
around their economy. But he says, you know he listed
at the top, didn't he? France, Ireland, England All Blacks
don't select players from abroad. Has your mind been changed
by that chat or this year around that selection policy?

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Where do you sit now having a Test season without
say a Shannon Frazelle, the Richie Mulonger, Sam Can going overseas?
After this point, should the All Blacks be looking to
change those rules? Should New Zealand ruged be looking to
change those eligibility rules? Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty
nine two ninety two for a text message? Have you

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changed your mind on the eligibility scenarigo for New Zealand Rugby?
Here's a time we silk your players from abroad? Or
is it a case still when you leave New Zealand
Rugby when you go overseas? That is it for your
at test career until you come back or if you
come back? Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty nineteen ninet

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two for a text message. Your calls and texts after
this here on News Talk ZB love to get your
point of view on this. Twenty four after one.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
You be the TMO have your say on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty weekends for it with Gjcubnos New
Zealand's most trusted home builder News Talk.

Speaker 2 (59:41):
VB twenty seven after one on News Talk ZB talking
the All Blacks eligibility Sagad to Jack White on the show,
the two thousand and seven Springbok World Cup winning coach, saying,
do not change it, do not tink it with those
rules as again, poise to go under review. Let's go
to the lines. On eight hundred eighty ten eighty say

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good afternoon to Grant. How are you.

Speaker 11 (01:00:05):
Elliott? Yeah, Drake was? He put my case very well.
I mean, you know it works. Getting overseas players work
for South Africa and Australia for all sorts of different reasons.
But it's not like we're on our own with not
selecting players from overseas as a lot of other top countries,

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and you know, we have sabbaticals and various other things
to give players a chance to earn money overseas. And
just with the Rich Molonga situation, if he sees out
his contract in Japan, he will be back at the
start of the twenty twenty seven World Cup year playing
rugby in New Zealand. So you know, we've got a

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couple of pretty good first flies at the moment. And
the thing that I see is what would be the criteria.
Would it be the coach deciding? Would it be a
number of tests? And I don't think that would be
a good idea because he could have to play.

Speaker 8 (01:01:07):
With less tests.

Speaker 11 (01:01:08):
Who who would be a better bet than play with
more tests? And so I say, you know, just to
keep it the way it is.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
Yeah, Look, I think you look at that season and go,
would Richie the All Blacks one ten games? Would Richie
mulonger have made them win fourteen? Probably not. There was
certainly some issues there in that team that I don't
think at first five or Richie m Wonger would have
been able to solve. Would Shen and Frizzelle have made
it fourteen wins? I don't think.

Speaker 10 (01:01:35):
So.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
I think it's not a magic bord or a silver
board is it to solve these issues just because you're
going to select these players from overseas?

Speaker 11 (01:01:45):
Yeah, and I hope that well, for a start, I
hope that the new board turned Scott Ritson down, but
he tried it at the start of the season. He's
tried at the end of season. I hope he's not
going to do it every year. I mean, if he
gets turned down, you know, try try again, try again.

Speaker 12 (01:02:02):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
Well yeah, look, I think he's easy. Within't his rights,
isn't he to put his case sport and New Zealand
Rugby and they're changing the board around it, well within
their rights to go nope, try again it heare's time
and we'll come back with more evidence. But on the
basis of what we're seeing to this point and what
Mark Robinson has said, I don't think they'll be changing it.

Speaker 11 (01:02:26):
Yeah, And like I said, it seems to work well
for us, and I think that. I mean, when players
come back from overseas, it's very hard to judge form
in an overseas competition. I mean in the middle of
the season that we send assistant coaches over to actually

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view them live. Lots of times over the years we've
had players that have come back and they have taken
a while to get back into the New Zealand groove
of rugby. But if they're talking about the way they're
proposing it, you bring a player back in the middle
of an overseas season for a sort of you know,
a week to ten days before test and expect them

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to play you know, the type of rugby that we're
playing here and have everything in the line.

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
You know, Yeah, that's right, isn't it. And you know,
South Africa has got the problem at the moment, Grant
where a lot of their players just simply do not
get a break. They play essentially twelve months of the
year because of the competitions that they are playing in
and then the Springboks calendar worked in alongside it, they
are playing essentially year round and they haven't figured out

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an answer to that to this point. Japanese season starts
end of December, roughly goes through to May. Then they're
into all internationals after that, which wind up in November
back into their pre season in Japan or wherever it
might be. Piece if the toy for example, playing for

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the Toyota club over there, it's a year round proposition
for these players, which you know in New Zealand the
moment you do get a break at the end of
the season. Oh en eighteen. Let's move on to Simon Afternoon.

Speaker 11 (01:04:13):
Afternoon Love.

Speaker 8 (01:04:16):
The great thing I think about not a gllowing overseas
players to come in. Is if you look at periods
when we've been really successful, like the under the Hansen
and the Smith and Henry. If you looked in those days,
it meant we had lots of we had a really
good pathway for younger players to come through and that
we're really really successful. And Richie Mulwonga is one of

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those players that come through that younger generation because it
hasn't been gummed up with older players waiting around. Yes
we use the term experience, but actually how much hunger
have they got? I think you need to get a
balance between you've and some experience. But that's up to
the coaches to.

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
Manage what it is, isn't that So that's on them
to figure out when the right climb, right time is
for the young players to come in when the the
older players have been phased out and juggle it that way.
I don't know that being able to pet players of
war that sort of begins to block those paths, so
doesn't it?

Speaker 8 (01:05:17):
It does, And I think that's where the the you know,
you look at our current hole, the cult current structure
works really well because we've got this flow through from
right from the lower levels all the way through right
up into international rugby. And I found it interesting this
year if you look at the players that are really
stood out, it has been those younger players that have

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come through and have stepped up and have met the challenge.

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
Well, just look at the World the All Blacks Player
of the Year nominees Wallace a Titi to Bovide to
Roll Lomax, those three announced yesterday. They're all younger players
or players that have been given opportunities after senior ones
had departed.

Speaker 8 (01:05:57):
Yeah, and I think also and that's important that the
senior players have departed, so they we've given them that opportunity.
I think the other thing, going to the point of Rickana,
I think one of the things that we have missed
this year with him has been his ability as a
playmaker and also when the team is under pressure, his

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ability to change a game and to be able to
win games and also to finish to close games out.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
That's right, I mean, that was what he was so
good at the Crusaders, wasn't it. And I began to
think that maybe at Teas Leveley was finding that more
more so in the last couple of years before he left.

Speaker 8 (01:06:37):
Yeah, and I think he was very good, and to
be brutally honest, I think the two that are there,
the current incumbent, the current two that have been here
this year, we shouldn't be looking at those next year.

Speaker 10 (01:06:48):
We need to be looking at.

Speaker 8 (01:06:49):
The next level down because those two are going to
be are they still going to be good enough when
we get to the World Cup. We need to be
bringing that next generation of tens through that have the
ability to run a game, to be able to close
out the game, and to be able to make those
right decisions at the right time.

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
I appreciate the call, Simon, thank you very much for
your point of view this afternoon. Let's move on to Graham. Afternoon, Graham,
how are you good day?

Speaker 15 (01:07:13):
How are you good?

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
Thank you?

Speaker 15 (01:07:14):
Good Tilling? Yeah, yeah, no, good call by. It's a
bit of a mixed one for me. I mean, you know,
here there was Jake White, wasn't it the end? He
outstanding reverence for news Ellen Rugby, and he mentioned Jockobs
and Alex Wiley to the Kennevery heroes. He'll get the
big plus for that, and of course Brian Law. But yeah,

(01:07:35):
I mean I've got mixed feelings on it. I think
the All Blacks the trouble was at first five, which
which is the main focus. I think I've always been
actually anti bringing in players, you know, and changing the roles,
to be honest. But obviously Richie Munger left slightly earlier
than others we retired, like Retellic and white Lock All,

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I've gone over seas and played. I think he'll be back.
But I can see why the temptation is there because
I think we're short are at First five than what
we've ever been, probably since I don't know, when you
have to go to the nineteen seventies maybe, and then
you'd probably before posts, you know, pre Wayne Smith and

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Grant Fox with Doug Bruce when he retreated a great player.
But yeah, but but yeah, I think the trouble is working.
You get him back, and then it does open the door.
You know, you can't make it. I can't make, you know,
an exception for one player, as much as I would
love him back, but I think Grant's right that he
probably will. I think there's a good chance he back

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and he'll do the eligibility's one year anyway. But I
can but I can see why Scott Robertson wants them
because I think we've been caught short there big time.
The back line, not just because of him, has actually suffered.
The forward pack really have made that I think, really
good like what was the pte as you say, and
other players have really made a big step up there

(01:09:05):
and to provide who's really surprised me how good he was.
He's a good player, but he's better than when I thought.
And yeah, yeah, I think it'll probably. I don't think
it's going to change in a hurry.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
No, I don't. Yeah, I don't think it will either.
And look at as you said, it's a circumstance. What
about because there's a perceived lack of depth. If there
were players coming through and a lot you know, on
the pipeline you go in the year's time, he's going
to be at All Blacks ten or whatever it might be,
then this debate is moot. And richid Wonga, thanks for
your service to New Zealand rugby. You know that's that's fine.

(01:09:37):
But it's because of that lack of depth in the
path of twenty twenty seven that this debate comes up,
isn't it.

Speaker 15 (01:09:44):
That's right? I mean I don't know for sure, but yeah,
I've heard so many things about around it. It's not
even funny, But I think he will. I think he's
a good chance of your back and then we'll see what.
I'm sure every's good shape. I've always been a big
fan and like most Crusader fans. But yeah, I mean,

(01:10:04):
and someone may well come through. I mean, we've got
good young first fives. I mean, Harry Plummer and Fergus
Burt going overseas once again, they were good players and
you know it may not have been as good as some,
but they were actually better than what people realized. That
I think was lost. You know those guys overseas too,
and that's chipped away at the depths as well.

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
Elliot, it has indeed, and look, you know Richie Moore
comes back, that might open the door for Damian McKenzie
to go. And then you're basically in a circular discussion
around some of that eligibility debate. Nice to hear from you,
grind this afternoon. A couple of texts before we go
to the break. He's dead right, elligant, we'll lose all
our stars and ruins super Rugby sees muzz. Another one says,

(01:10:48):
totally agree with Jake. Sacrifice an opportunity cost plus. I
don't think we'd gained much, but we would decimate Super
Rugby and NBC State with the status quo. A case
of Grels is a case of you always what you
can't have. Richie is not the answer. Find and coach
new talent. That's what a coach needs and is supposed
to do. One more before we take the break. If

(01:11:10):
you want to play for the All Blacks, you stay here.
Richie needs to stay in Japan. We don't need him.
He's not that good. We have plenty here. Don't leave
New Zealand for the money. You know it's not as much,
but who cares. You're wearing the black jersey. Stay here
and play for us. If you leave, don't come back.
That is from Gus. We'll read a couple more after
the break on nine to nine two, but our Aussie corresponded,

(01:11:30):
Adam Peacock is standing by. We'll take a break, come
back and checking what's happening over the ditch after this.
Twenty one away.

Speaker 1 (01:11:36):
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Speaker 2 (01:11:45):
Be eighteen away from two some more texts. I'll get
to in a moment around the eligibility saga. If my
eyes don't deceive me, I think it might be an
eighth drop catch Glenn Phillips dropping that one. It was
high in the year and just bobbled out of his fingertips.

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In England four hundred and sixty one for eight. They've
just resumed after the lunch break. They're lead by one
hundred and thirteen. Looking to build that lead. Let's go
across the Tasman, as he does every Saturday afternoon around
this time. We joined by our Australian correspondent Adam Peacock. Adam,
thanks very much for your time here on News Talks.
It be this afternoon, Elliet.

Speaker 18 (01:12:27):
How are you mate?

Speaker 2 (01:12:28):
Oh good? The Australian cricket team an absolute term, well,
at least it seems from this side of the Tasman
after that loss to India would have been the ramifications
the repercussions out of that.

Speaker 18 (01:12:40):
Yeah, not good as you can imagine.

Speaker 19 (01:12:42):
We don't take it too well of the over here
with like that happened to Australian figure team. A bit
of introspection, but I think on the whole most people
are okay about giving the same eleven a go, but
there's little confidence about that.

Speaker 18 (01:12:58):
You can probably tell him a voice about giving you
the go.

Speaker 19 (01:13:02):
But yeah, Marlus Labashane is the one that looks completely
out of Nick. So he's good enough to find something.
Whether or not he's good enough to find something in
a week, it remains to be seen because he looks
unfortunately a shadow of his former self there. I think
his first seventeen Test innings got into a thousand runs.
He's taken thirty eight Test innings to get to his

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last thousand runs that he scored in Test cricket. So yeah,
he's taking the foot off the gas. But exel Steve
Smith scratching around as he's still got it. He too old.
They're the questions being asked over here.

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
I mean the quality players, they've got the ability to
bounce back and be very Australian for them to do so,
I'm appreciate and come out on Friday and the second
Teaston do it. But are these players maybe verging on
the fact that they've been around for too long, maybe
little too old, and are the younger players ready to
replace them?

Speaker 19 (01:13:50):
Potentially because unfortunately at the moment, we don't really have
all these three are the next three.

Speaker 18 (01:13:58):
They're definitely in. As soon as these guys have done.

Speaker 19 (01:14:01):
It's like a big question mark of about six or
seven a pool of six or seven players, are they
good enough to step up if one of them goes
so in a bit of a state of fox at
the moment, the bowling unit will be okay. Look, they
go to Adelaide next, they play a day night test,
so the pink ball can offer some different kinds of varieties.
So unfortunately, though I do believe that Jasper Wilmer is

(01:14:21):
going to play that test, that's still it's not like
he's not going.

Speaker 18 (01:14:25):
To Adelaide so he can do anything with the ball.
At the moment, he is one of a kind.

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
Yeah, guy, you've got to find something on him to
just get him out of the country, you know, to
port him. I don't know what it is, but you've
got to find something to get him out of that lineup.

Speaker 19 (01:14:38):
Offer him like a lavish party back in India that
he can attend for the next I don't know month,
but no, he'll be there and he'll be an absolute
threatn And it's a problem, a big problem to solve
for Australia.

Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
Look, we feel deeply for you across the side of
the testment. As always when when the Australian cr team's
not going well, we feel it on the side of
the Test madam. So I hope you know that we're
with you.

Speaker 18 (01:15:01):
I totally get it. Yeah, I totally realize that.

Speaker 4 (01:15:03):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
Look the Australian and and Ireland Test matched around out
the Test rugby season, the Wallabies completing things early hours
tomorrow afternoon, sorry tomorrow morning, New Zealand time, your time
as well. Joe Schmidt, But of a homecoming for him, Yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:15:19):
Reading all the articles about him this week, it's like
he's a king over there.

Speaker 18 (01:15:23):
He which is nice to see.

Speaker 19 (01:15:26):
It's not like looked on as bitterness about how it
might have ended or how they parted. It's more about
what he did and yeah, that's you don't always see
that in sport. So he's obviously had a huge effect
on Irish rugby at every level to help get them
where they are, which is always now one of the
hardest hardest places to go in rugby and the hardest

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opponents wherever they play.

Speaker 18 (01:15:48):
So maybe he should have got something more out of
the World Cup.

Speaker 21 (01:15:51):
Recently, but yeah, up against it here using more players again,
depth and issue on this tour of Bang bang bang,
these test matches could quite get past Scotland this week.

Speaker 19 (01:16:04):
Probably not expected to get past Island, but nice surprise
if the Wallaby's hard to do something, make it three
or four on this tour.

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
Have people sort of set up and taken notice? And
obviously you lost last week in Edinburgh, but have people
gone okay, well, the Wallaby's actually might be on an
upwards trajictory here.

Speaker 19 (01:16:20):
Yeah, the England game was that one that kind of
shocked everyone that we got not only so close but
actually beat them on the bell. So Wales wasn't as expected.
Wasn't as a surprise, I should say, because yeah that
Wales will shruggly not gone through its finest moment.

Speaker 18 (01:16:36):
But yeah, if you can.

Speaker 19 (01:16:37):
Get Ireland and get three of these four. Tim Horn
said a couple of weeks ago to me in another interview,
He goes, look, if we take a step back and okay,
if it doesn't go our way against Scotland, we beat
Ireland three or four, that's beyond expectations before this tour
and at the good building block for the British and
Irish Lions.

Speaker 13 (01:16:54):
Joe Shmidt.

Speaker 19 (01:16:55):
I think he debuts his nineteenth player of the year.

Speaker 18 (01:16:59):
In this test match.

Speaker 19 (01:17:01):
So he's gone to the bottom of the depth pool
to try and find out who's good enough for the
years to which is good to see. But he's done
it in a different way to Eddie Jones. He's not
just kind of just done everything at once. He's done
it gradually. He's poked around, he's seen the players that
he's identified and given him a go. So yeah, I
think it's encouraging as much as anything.

Speaker 2 (01:17:22):
And Joey so he cleared to play this week, which
didn't look likely last week after he wins off. He
seems like a player that you know, if you're a
neutral fan, you might get the old TV sits flicking
on to see how he's going. If you're a neutral
or a casual rugby fan, he seems like the interest
levels have sort of peaked and gone next. I want
to see how this kid's going over there.

Speaker 19 (01:17:42):
Yeah, and very much so, because he's huge in rugby
league and big name in rugby league, so rugby league
fans by nature are wondering how he's going or some
which is better than none. And look that the guy
has been thrown straight in there. He's playing Rguby League
a couple months ago. So now that he's going to
come back, have a little rest, then do a proper

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little pre season. He won't need much topping up before
going again for the Super Rugby. He gets his block
of understanding their game in final detail throughout that. So yeah,
really exciting to see what he can be by the
middle of next year.

Speaker 2 (01:18:15):
Adam Peacock with us. Just finally, Adam, I gets in
terms of that British and Irish Lions series next year.
The series seems to have been a bit of a
precursor to then. And I know the ticket sales the
British lays and Irish come down and they sell out
those places. But is there a sense that there is
something building towards that Lion series next year.

Speaker 18 (01:18:34):
Yeah, it's viewed over.

Speaker 19 (01:18:35):
Here oddly enough because rugby is Australia not exactly financially flying,
but almost the savior of the code. I know that
sounds ridiculously dramatic, but it's going to help no end
both commercially and all those things off the park reputationally,
but also it'll be a great series, be a great
three match series and there'll be a little tour around

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it as well. So it'll help rugby in many ways,
and it doesn't need it because it's kind of been
last ten years especially kind of been gazumped by rugby league.

Speaker 18 (01:19:05):
There's this kind of like feeling and I.

Speaker 19 (01:19:09):
Think it's more from rugular towards rugby union about we're
better than you, You're a crap sport. I mean they
both have their place absolutely, so yeah, this will show
the best of rugby this tour coming and it will
be very very much needed for rugby Australia.

Speaker 2 (01:19:25):
Indeed, it will be Adam Peacock, thank you very much
of your time as always on a Saturday afternoon, look
forward to catching up again soon.

Speaker 18 (01:19:30):
Sounds good, Thanks Mane having one.

Speaker 2 (01:19:32):
Adam Peacock joining us, says he always does on a
Saturday afternoon to talk about the world of Australian sports
here on News Talk ZIBB. We'll take a break, come
back wrap up the hour after this. It is ten
away from two.

Speaker 1 (01:19:46):
When it's down to the line. You made a call
on eighty weekend Sport News Talk ZENB.

Speaker 2 (01:19:53):
It is coming up six away from two on News
Talk ZI Big week in Sport Elliott Smith and for
Jason Paine this week Key and a couple of ticks
on the rugby eligibility meta. Charlie says this Elliott will
be better trying to keep Harry Plummer a huge loss
who could ignite those outside them than Richie Wonger, who
is flashed but not as consistent or good at making
others great. Peter, Richie wong is an ability to change

(01:20:16):
the game plan was what cost us the last two
World Cups. Another s does this feel stronger? This is
all about Richie Wonger. We do not need him and
nobody seems to be prepared to say he was not
that good in black and another one with saying the
problem is the midfield, big problem. Final text on the
matter is from Paul High alligant, what lack of depth

(01:20:37):
at ten are you on about? The lack of depth
is only caused by Paul selection Barrett and d Mack
Whenever the answer they should have put the development into
Plumber and seen him develop rather than the other two.
They've got no better or have any chance of getting
any better. I would seduce a better solution than playing
overseas based players would be to listen to Players Association
plower powers so that the Barrett's d Max, CANA and

(01:20:57):
TJ can be replaced when the ability doesn't meet the
required standards. Thanks very much for the text, Paul. Good
news from christ Ditch being Stokes has been dismissed for
eighty So the black Caps have finally got rids of
the England captain four hundred and eighty five for nine
hour bowld Henry Court Southy hold out to long on

(01:21:19):
so that lead for England at one hundred and thirty seven.
They have one more wickets as it stands at the moment,
closing in on a lead of one hundred and fifty,
but now with a couple of tail enders at the crease.
So you would hope if the black Caps can get
this last wicket they will not be too far away
from batting. But that lead is going to be in

(01:21:41):
the shadows of one hundred and fifty. Sharba Sheer coming
to the crease average of six point eight highest score
of thirteen in Test cricket across thirteen matches. Matt Henry
bowling at him. He's on strike, so look, you would
hope that Matt Henry might be able to do something
here and ensure that lead doesn't reach one hundred and fifty.

(01:22:03):
Bend Stokes just having an absolute slash at it and
dismissed finally. But the worrying thing for England is the
runs are becoming very very easy. That run rate four
point eight and over the been going out this inning,
so it's been going on at a fair clip end
with the tail wagging hasn't been great for the black Caps.
We'll head to Andrew Ortis the next hour for an

(01:22:24):
update on how proceedings are unfolding, probably hopefully with the
black Caps at the crease batting wise. We'll go back
to Hagley Oval after two more football. Next hour on
the program will take you inside the Auckland FC camp
with Max Maatta and the Australian Football Players Association on
why they're feuding with the boss of the a leagues. News,
Sport and Weather next.

Speaker 1 (01:22:45):
The only plays for the big names, the big issues,
the big controversies and the big conversations. It's all on
Weekend Sport on your home of Sport. News Talk said.

Speaker 2 (01:23:00):
Be welcome back. In six half and two we can
Sport Elligant Smith in for Pineyer this weekend and they
finally got the last wickets England all out four hundred
and ninety nine, Tim Salley taking the catch Basher the
man that goes off the bowling of Matt Henry, and

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the black Caps have finally managed to wrap up the
England innings. They lead by one hundred and fifty one.
England and the black Caps will head out to the
Creech in about ten to fifteen minutes to try and
plug away at that deficit. Andrew Ordison will join us
this hour to update us on proceedings at Hagleoval in

(01:23:47):
christ Church also head to Australia shortly. Bo Bush, boss
of the Australian Professional Players Association. They look after A
League players on both sides of the Tasman. It's a
bit of a feeling that they're not happy with the
way the A League is being run at the moment.
Bobush will explain shortly why that is because on this

(01:24:11):
side of the Tasmen it's all looking rather rosy from
an A League perspective. Our two teams a top of
the ladder couldn't be going better, Not so much across
the competition as a whole boat. We'll explain that very shortly.
We head inside Auckland FC camp very shortly as well.
All why it's for Max Mutter and we'll join the program.

(01:24:36):
Fifth game of the season for the end this afternoon,
chasing their fifth straight victory. Mount Smart Stadium the scene
for that Newcastle Jets fixed ship five o'clock kickoff. Max
to join us shortly here on weekend Sport State after two,
as we do this time every Saturday and Sunday afternoon,

(01:24:58):
we dig in. It's in case you missed it. There's
a lot of thanksgiving NFL football to get into. Let's
start off with a bit of con TRAVISI.

Speaker 6 (01:25:07):
For fifteen seconds and it's third and twenty six, save
that one time out left to get a better hurry.

Speaker 12 (01:25:13):
Oh, this is soon accessor of the making here.

Speaker 2 (01:25:17):
You have to do something when it comes down to
this play and complete and the game is over. Completely
botched at the end by the Bears. I believe that
if the coach of the Chicago Bears as well, on
the basis of that, so thanks to that, you've choked
you why a Patentia win over the Detroit Lions the
top seeds twenty three to twenty final score, and you've

(01:25:39):
lost your job. The Dallas Cowboys with a much need
to win over the division rivals, the New York Giants.

Speaker 7 (01:25:44):
Here we go, game on the line.

Speaker 19 (01:25:46):
Help them get a first to tell their giants trying
to get it back.

Speaker 17 (01:25:49):
Third and two?

Speaker 7 (01:25:49):
Who rush is throwing Clarens a cat's out of whe's
got cups.

Speaker 2 (01:25:54):
And he's in and the Croup runs in a top
first down for Dallas. Twenty's even twenty of the Cowboys way.
The Green Bay Packers had no trouble getting past Miami's Dolphins.

Speaker 15 (01:26:05):
Thirty two to three, beat to Jacob It's.

Speaker 7 (01:26:08):
Breed post for the second time. Oh this Thanksgiving made
seconds are so said?

Speaker 2 (01:26:18):
He points to seventeen, a scoreboard that flatters the Dolphins.
Let's head to the Premier League. Just the one game
over nights with Brighton battling Southampton, Glampsey into a very.

Speaker 6 (01:26:28):
Dangerous Harison Levers and Dolpher Mantoma all about the quality
of the delivery the fount so invited, But Karl Mantoma,
who's thrown himself at it and scores a doll that
could propel Brightened up to second.

Speaker 2 (01:26:44):
The Southampton did eventually equalize the draw, though sore enough
to see Brighten up for Sickens on the ladder for now,
and let's go to the Formula one. A great outing
for Liam Lawson qualifying intent for the sprint race at
the Cuts Up Grand Prix. Across the line we'll go
Liam Lawson.

Speaker 22 (01:26:59):
He goes eight fastest, Potass can't quite make it twelve fastest.
Only Hulkberg goes ahead of Lawson added to eight. Pulkenberg
gains up, Pete sand Lawson in the middle of them,
and it's Lando Norris on pole van for the sprints
here and catap.

Speaker 1 (01:27:16):
The scoop from the track field and the court on
your home of Sport weekends for ITV.

Speaker 2 (01:27:23):
Where it is sad after surve just joining us again
England to dismiss for four hundred and ninety nine. That
is a lead for them of one hundred and fifty
one runs in the black Caps openers will head up
to the increase in the next few moments or so.
Turning our attention though to football at eleven after two
on Weekends Sport interesting survey out this week half of

(01:27:47):
the eight league men's players are dissatisfied with the running
of the league. Twenty seven percent very dissatisfied with how
the Australian professional leagues are performing in their management of
the competition. Forty six percent have load trust in their
ability to improve the league. Only eleven percent have a
high trust level in the managing body. So as things

(01:28:10):
look rather rosie on this side of the Tasman around
all CLINDFC and the Wellington Phoenix across the competition as
a whole, it's not tracking that well. Joining us to
discuss more is the Professional Football is Australia CO Chief
executive bo Bush Bo thanks for your time here on
News Talk ZIPB this afternoon.

Speaker 23 (01:28:28):
Thanks so much for having me on.

Speaker 12 (01:28:29):
Much appreciated well.

Speaker 2 (01:28:31):
Stats released during the week, half of all eight league
men's players are dissatisfied with how the league is managed,
according to a survey that the players Union have run.
It's a Philly damning headline that screams out from the
news outlets, isn't it, bo?

Speaker 20 (01:28:46):
I think?

Speaker 23 (01:28:46):
Look, the starting point for the players was to have
a thriving a league. We need to have a really
effective relationship with the APL to be able to rebuild
the sport, to get it to where we know it
can be both in Australia and New Zealand, and this
sort of really clarifies the scale of the challenges that
we've got that there needs to be a significant improvement.
Players feel like their expertise and their voice isn't able

(01:29:10):
to be exerted in an influential way around the governance
of the sport to help make better decisions. So this
sort of really clarifies what it looks like when it's
not working. And the hope is that this can be
a starting point and if we do this survey at
the end of the next year see significant improvement.

Speaker 2 (01:29:26):
What are the frustrations then that the players have with
the way that the league is being managed.

Speaker 23 (01:29:31):
Well, I think if you look at the last few years,
and particularly the New Zealand players, our Wellington players went
through enormous sacrifices to be able to ensure that the
sport could get through COVID, and the hope is that
there would be better times around the horizon. The players
entered into a long term collective bargaining agreement with the
APL and the hope was that that would give the
game a platform to really stabilize its financial basis, and

(01:29:54):
unfortunately that hasn't happened. There's been significant investment into areas
such as keep up, only for that to be closed down.
We've seen a lot of uncertainty around the private equity
investment that's gone, where it's been invested, when and if
that needs to.

Speaker 13 (01:30:09):
Be paid back.

Speaker 23 (01:30:10):
So these are all really important questions that the players
currently don't have clarity over and importantly their decisions that
have a massive impact on the players, but equally they
had very little say over them as well.

Speaker 2 (01:30:23):
I guess this doesn't happen overnight, does it, And as
you mentioned it, know the COVID issue has snowboard over
the last few years. Has these things been fistering for
a while in terms of the players feeling.

Speaker 23 (01:30:36):
I think a little bit of both. So what's sort
of happened? As I said that the players had made
these enormous sacrifices and the challenge was, Okay, let's get
the sport through COVID and let's hope for better times
on the other side and hope that we've done a
collective bargaining agreement that goes far enough to do that.
There we've seen some really positive stuff. So we've seen
positive stuff around the production of young players for examples,

(01:30:56):
and really outstanding coaches coming through the investment into academies,
you know, the emergence of Auckland. So that's sort of
all positive. But then we've seen this decision making around
the Grand Final and the like that we really think
is not optimal and that's put the sport in a
really difficult position. So that's sort of where it's compounding
range of factors and just feeling that the sport doesn't
have this clarity at the moment around where it's headed

(01:31:19):
and how it's going to ensure it's successful. So that's
really where the player's frustration mainly lies about the moment
around a lack of certainty over where we're heading.

Speaker 2 (01:31:28):
Because if you look at it from a New Zealand perspective,
new team and the competition and theory, if you're looking
at from the outside and from a New Zealand perspective,
everything on this side of the Tasman seems rather rosy.
But that's not the case.

Speaker 23 (01:31:40):
Well, look, I think sort of two things can be
true at the same time. The emergence of Auckland to
come into the competition has been a huge positive alongside
the consistent sort of excellence of Wellington Phoenix as well too,
on and off the pitch. Those things show us what
the sport can be. But I think the decision making
has sort of shown us where we are right now
and hasn't allowed the impact of teams such as Auckland

(01:32:01):
the success of Wellington to ensure that sort of rising
tide lifts all boat. That's the challenge I think these
clubs WHI was, we're in a difficult position at the moment.
Clubs such as Auckland and Wellington show us what can
happen when clubs are run incredibly well, where there's good
governance and clarity over what they're trying to achieve. So
it gives us hope. But what we're lacking is the
strategy around how we translate that league wide.

Speaker 2 (01:32:24):
Are you able to dig in and go? Actually, you
know Wellington Phoenix for example, their players are really happy,
but Western Sydney or what are at thirty percent?

Speaker 9 (01:32:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:32:32):
Able to dig in and go? One club is more
happy than the other or is it more competition wide?

Speaker 23 (01:32:37):
No, So what we're able to do we do a
really comprehensive survey with the players at the end of
every season and One of the key areas is we
do benchmark the clubs against each other in terms of
their workplace experience for the players. What we found was overall,
the experience in a club environment is really positive and
is improving. We're seeing greater levels of investment into facilities

(01:32:59):
for training facilities. If anyone's had the pleasure to go
to Wellington Phoenix there's training ground, it's truly a world
class training grounds. So I think these sort of things
we're seeing progress there. Where the concern really lies is
in relation to the league and the management the overall competition,
rather than significant issues at the club base where players
are coming in and working every day.

Speaker 2 (01:33:19):
The league itself pointed out this was done in May
and things have changed since the end. So have you
seen any mark change in both?

Speaker 23 (01:33:27):
I think there's been some positive stuff. So if you
look at the start of the season, we have had
a lot of derbies, there's been some really good attendances
around that, so there's some positive signs. The APL are
doing an increased level of content, We're seeing some more
fan engagement and those sort of things. But I think
the underlying concern for the players is the governance framework
in which the sport operates, which is effectively where the

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club owners make up the majority of the board, continues
to be in place. So the decision making governance framework
that allowed for the decision around the Grand Final on
others remains in place. So the players are concerned as
to of the fundamentals of the sport, what has changed
to give them confidence that that isn't going to happen
yet And the reality is that those big pieces of

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the puzzle remain in place.

Speaker 2 (01:34:11):
Have you benchmarked it against overseas leagues for example? And
I know there's different management structures and how they're run,
but you know, forty six percent low trust in the
APL professional leagues to deliver the A League strategy. I mean,
can you compare that to the Premier League or the
legue or anything like that overseas? Have you got those
sort of comparisons? Is this widespread or is it very

(01:34:31):
unique to Australia and New Zealand.

Speaker 23 (01:34:34):
Look, we're really fortunate in that for a long period
of time we've been able to build a really strong
and effective relationship with our members. That's not always the
case around the world. And also we're often talking about
if you look at the English Premier League, for example,
we're talking about more clubs, international players and arranger challenges
around sort of doing something similar. I haven't seen any

(01:34:56):
evidence of this similar type of project having been rolled out,
but I know that fIF PRO the Global Players Union
are looking at how they could do this on a
global scale, So we could answer that question that you
just asked, but we're not currently there at the moment globally.

Speaker 2 (01:35:10):
In terms of that vision and strategy to improve the
A League. Were looking at it from New Zealand perspective,
of course, having two New Zealand teams in there. What
do you think that's done for the competition over the
last few weeks since it kicked off.

Speaker 23 (01:35:23):
I think it's been fantastic. You know, you look at
on the pitch that've been incredibly successful. They've recruited well,
they've prioritized local New Zealand talent and I think that
appears to have been really well received by the local community.
But I think there's a lot to learn from the
successful role out of expansion. It's been pretty fraud in
Australia and New Zealand football history. Expansion has not been

(01:35:43):
something we've often got right. But I think when we
look at the experience that we've had with Auckland today
is that we've got an incredibly strong ownership group there
with multiple people involved with a range of different skills.
We've got a good infrastructure base, and we've also importantly
got a really strong market that's really keen to engage
in football. So I think that's the learning from that
of making sure that those three fundamentals are in place

(01:36:06):
for any way we expand, and then we're confident that
the sport can be successful in Auckland. Have have proved
that and there've been a real breath of fresh air
into the competition today.

Speaker 2 (01:36:15):
Interest levels obviously have been elevated on the side of
the Tasman both for the Auckland and Wellington Big Derby
coming up nixt week. I suppose from a players association perspective,
how do you ensured that you touched on it there,
but it doesn't fizzle out once that the derby's over
and you know, perhaps there's a couple of losses that
the interest levels do remain high in both of those teams.

Speaker 19 (01:36:35):
Well.

Speaker 23 (01:36:35):
I think what's been really clear with both clubs is
they're incredibly connected into the local community. So they're having
a significant impact on the local sporting community, the work
they do in schools, the work they do in grassroots clubs.
So they're not just about sort of whether I think
the popularity shouldn't just rise whether they win or lose.
They've become far more important already even in their short
history in Auckland, to the local community. So that's really

(01:36:59):
really fundamental. So I think that's the key part of
these guys playing the long game. You know, the ownership
group there, people like Bill Only, Tim Brown and others
know that sort of market. Well, they know what a
successful club looks like, and it's really evident that they're
willing to play the long game. So I'm really confident that,
you know, there may be some ups and downs, but

(01:37:19):
I certainly don't think this is just a matter of
Auckland being successful at the start and being something new.
It looks like they're making a really long term commitment
to Auckland and that's fantastic to see.

Speaker 2 (01:37:31):
Just finally, by we've go back to that survey and
the dissatisfaction, I suppose what would you like to see,
say we're chatting in twelve months time to be implemented
by the APL to ensure that the a League is
prosperous for years to come.

Speaker 23 (01:37:45):
I think what we'd like to see a big shift
is moving away from this unilateral model where leagues and
clubs actually just come down and make decisions that have
a significant impact on players without them even having the
opportunity to influence tho. So we want to see a
shift there so that anything that impacts players, whether that
be expansion, whether that be the entry of private equity,
even TV right still, experience of players can help elevate

(01:38:08):
those decisions. Some of our members have played at the
highest levels of the sport all around the world, so
they've got a lot of expertise we can influence those decisions.
But also importantly we can move away from this sort
of employer employee relationship and actually become business partners where
they're shared incentives around making this sports successful. So that's
where we'd really like to move the relationship between the

(01:38:28):
APL and the clubs and with the players.

Speaker 2 (01:38:31):
Well watch the space on that front. Bo Thank you
so much for your time with us on news Talk ZIBB.
Look forward to watching that matter with progress. Appreciate it,
no waries. Thanks for your Ton by Bosh, the co
CEO of the Professional Footballers Association looking after A League players.
Interesting to get that perspective because from a New Zealand perspective,
the A Leagu's going absolute great guns at the moment.

(01:38:53):
Some of the players are a lot of the players
looking at some of those numbers that Bo mentioned there
and that the articles and the survey has suggested that
aren't in favor of the way that the A League
is hitting. What have you made of this season? Love
to get your perspective on that. With two New Zealand teams,
are you watching more A League football than previously? Has

(01:39:16):
it captured your imagination to start the season. I've been
away for the last five weeks. I actually haven't seen
AUCKLANDFC play in full as yes, but I come back
to the city merchandise people wearing merchandise everywhere went around
Queen Streets or three jerseys. Yes, today Augland f C

(01:39:36):
has opened a coffee shop. It seems like Auckland at
least has embraced this team now. There have been a
couple of examples previously where expansion and Auckland teams haven't
worked out so well, But this time feels different. So
in terms of the A league, has this begun to
turn the dial a little bit? The Phoenix is obviously

(01:39:57):
do a fantastic job for how long now sixteen seventeen
seasons of flying the flag for New Zealand professional football.
But to have a second team there has it just
elevated it a little bit further? Are you watching more
a leagu? Are you more invested the season? Love to
hear from you. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty nine
two nine two for a text message this afternoon here

(01:40:19):
on news Talk zen B. Will take some of your
calls and texts after the day. Also head into Auckland
FC camp as well. Max madeup to join the program
and talk about that gap. Five o'clock this afternoon against
Newcastle Jets at Mount Smarts Stadium as Auckland shoot for
five straight victories. Will take a break here on News
Talk zen B. The black Caps incidentally two without loss.

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They are one hundred and forty nine runs behind at
this point against England at Hagley Oval. Back with more
after this twenty four after two weekend Sport News Talk
ZENB the.

Speaker 1 (01:40:50):
Tough questions off the turf Weekend Sport with GJ. Gunnomes,
New Zealand's most trusted home builder news talg z MBE.

Speaker 2 (01:40:58):
It is twenty seven after two on News Talk ZB
talking to the A Lee. You might have heard the
interview with by Bush before the break around some of
the A League issues. Want to know from you this
afternoon whether the A League has captured your intention more
than previous seasons. I feels like yes, there's two New
Zealand teams that's played obviously a huge role in it,

(01:41:19):
so the interest levels have been elevated. I know I'm
broadcasting out of Aucklinton. Of course Auckland FC is going
to create a number of fans, but I suspect they'll
get a fairly old, decent crowd again this afternoon for
Newcastle and I know next week very very hard to
come by tickets for the derby match against the Phoenix.

(01:41:41):
Already that built up is massive for that game. Text
lines open nine two, nine to two if you've got
a thought on that and Auckland FC what kind of
impact they've made on the A League this season? Chris
with this text wait for the derby next week. Alliott
virtually sold out a week before. You will love it well,
it's sold out. I'd love to get there, But tickets

(01:42:02):
like Hen's Teeth. Tickets like Hen's Teeth, which is magnificent.
Think of that football, domestic football game in New Zealand
outside of a playoff, and know the Phoenix have done
pretty well to sell big tickets last season of cause
for some knockout fixtures, but a regular season game a
derby outstanding. I think the scene's gonna be magnificent at

(01:42:23):
Mount Smart Stadium next week. Very much looking forward to
that Max matter on the line in a moment. I'm
just looking though. The black Caps have lost a wickets,
Tom Latham caught in the slips for one and New
Zealand now three for one. There are one hundred and

(01:42:44):
forty eight runs behind regulation, catch in the slip cordon
and the black Caps lose their opener, and the stats
are quite staggering around Latham and Conway in terms of
their opening partnerships in recent times, they don't have it
in front of me, but virtually non existent the partnership
opening partnership for the black Caps. More questions. The black

(01:43:04):
Caps skipper goes early twenty nine after on news talks.
Z b Let's head into Auckland FC camp. One of
the forwards, Max Matter, joining the program as they count
down to kick off five o'clock this afternoon in the
latest game in the eight League against Newcastle Jets five
o'clock at Mount Smart Stadium, Max thinks, so much of
your time on news Talk ZB No problem it well, Max,

(01:43:28):
four games, four wins. As an a league club starting
from scratch, you couldn't have dreamed for a better start,
could you. You must be an absolute dream land as
a club.

Speaker 20 (01:43:39):
Yeah, exactly. It's it's a dream start for us and
we've put a lot of hard work into making it possible.
We're looking to try and get another three points and
we're going to do whatever it tastes to make it happen.

Speaker 2 (01:43:55):
What's your sense of why things have been able to
click so early for this team.

Speaker 20 (01:44:03):
I think it's a lot about our togetherness. We have
a tight knit group, not just players and staff, but
even the people in the office, so they're always in
and around us, a great support system. It's a very
free flying building. There's people from all sorts of all

(01:44:24):
parts of the world, you know, and if we're really
embracing the Kiwi culture and the togetherness of it. We're all,
you know, on the same page, We're all trying to
achieve the same thing. So I think having that sort
of connection with so many different people is definitely a
massive part of our late success.

Speaker 2 (01:44:46):
You hold the record as a club for most wins
buying new a league club. Do you talk about those
sort of records around that basic that you're talking about
there that sort of spare on you're excited on a
Monday morning coming back in and knowing that you've got
that record in the books.

Speaker 20 (01:45:02):
Yeah, I wouldn't say it's something that we have on
the front of our mind. We just take it one
game at a time. Like you know, we want to
win every game that we're playing. Even if it's a
non competition game, we still want to win. So I
think having that winning mentality definitely helps keep your standards high,

(01:45:25):
because can be you know, everyone can switch up at
some point. But I think we have a lot of
great competitors in the building who are always pushing each
other to try and bring the best out of each other.
But that's definitely a massive thing for us. And then
obviously as times gone on and games have come by,
we've realized that we've broken a record or two. So yeah, hopefully,

(01:45:51):
hopefully we keep doing that.

Speaker 2 (01:45:52):
I think the defense, you know, moving into attack, it
seems really really seamless, and that probably feeds into the
point you're making about everyone from the team being on
the same page. Do you get a sense of that, Yeah,
most definitely.

Speaker 17 (01:46:05):
I think.

Speaker 20 (01:46:07):
The art of defending has been displayed quite well, especially
from us recently. We haven't considered a goal. We hoped
to continue that, but I think it just comes down
to organization. People willing to put their body on the
line to block the shelf, block a crafts, make tackle,

(01:46:29):
all these sorts of things, and you know that kind
of those kind of characteristics and energy do rub off
on us as well as attackers, fees right throughout the team.

Speaker 2 (01:46:41):
And speaking of feeding off energy, you've tapped into something
from a fan perspective as well. I know this afternoon
against Newcastle's heading to a decent crowd. Next week's derby
virtually sold out already. It must be great, you know,
looking up to the stands and going early on in
this club's history, we've tapped into something. We've found a
real footballing community in Auckland.

Speaker 20 (01:47:01):
Yeah, definitely, And look that's one thing that we're sot
fall for. Our marketing team has done an exceptional job
of making sure every man and his dog hears about
when Auckland FC is going to take the field. We
can only be thankful and grateful for that. And you know,
our job is on the pitch and trying to do

(01:47:24):
the business there.

Speaker 2 (01:47:25):
How do you feel about your own you start to
the season, I think you've only had nine minutes or so.
I know you have had an injury as well. How
do you feel sort of on the pitch that you're
settling into to Auckland DC.

Speaker 20 (01:47:38):
I mean, I would like to have have had more minutes,
but it is what it is, you know, it's part
of the game. Sometimes things like injury or selection don't
go your way.

Speaker 12 (01:47:48):
So that's that's just what it is.

Speaker 20 (01:47:51):
That's what happens in football. So training hard and just
trying to do everything that I can to make sure
that I'm ready when I'm caught upon next.

Speaker 2 (01:48:02):
How how do you wait for those opportunities? And know
you've played at a number of different clubs, and some
clubs obviously you play more than others. Is it just
just what comes with the territory that you just have
to wait for your opportunity and be prepared to take
it when it comes.

Speaker 20 (01:48:16):
Yeah, exactly, that's exactly what it is. You know that
we don't live in a perfect world. Nobody does, so yeah,
when you're in a position like this, that's all you
can do is give it your all every day. I mean,
we all want to be on the pitch and plane
and only so many of us can be on the
pitch and plane. So just trying to stay ready, keeps

(01:48:38):
down to high and not get complacent, and yeah, just
hoping that when the chance comes, you deliver.

Speaker 2 (01:48:46):
Talk to me about the decision to come to Auckland, Max.
You're an Auckland are yourself or you're on loan currently
from Shrewsbury in England at the moment? Was it an
easy decision to come back and be part of this
launch season for Auckland f C.

Speaker 20 (01:49:01):
Yeah, I'm from Auckland, so it was definitely very excited
for me when I heard about the early discussions of
the club possibly becoming a thing. So for it to
actually go ahead and happen, I'm very happy. Obviously, I'm
from Auckland, my family's here, I've grown up most of

(01:49:24):
my life here, so it's nice to be back and
even better to be a part of the club's first season.

Speaker 2 (01:49:33):
I know you played a bit for the Phoenix reserves.
Was it always at the back of your mind that
you hope there'd be an Auckland A League club come
along at some point?

Speaker 20 (01:49:43):
It wasn't really something that I thought too much about,
to be fair, but yeah, when I did hear that
it was going to be possible, I was excited and
I definitely wanted to be a part of it at
some point, and thankfully it's happened this season.

Speaker 2 (01:50:00):
Just the A League style, how does it differ to
the football that you've played in the UK and in Ireland?
Is there a different different style between the competitions that
you've you've noticed to this point.

Speaker 12 (01:50:13):
Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 20 (01:50:15):
Climate's a massive factor. We've played through the same time
of the year, but on the other side of the
world it's currently freezing cold, so I don't remember the
last time I played this season and in warm weather,
so that definitely has a big difference, and I guess yeah,
the styles are different.

Speaker 15 (01:50:39):
A leagues.

Speaker 20 (01:50:40):
It's a very transitional league. There's a lot of running involved,
but I'm really enjoying it so far, and it's a
long season, so got many more games to come.

Speaker 2 (01:50:52):
Indeed, and this afternoon against the Newcastle Jets, what woure
your expectations of what they'll bring to this game.

Speaker 20 (01:51:01):
Newcastle is a good team. We won't underestimate them. We've
paid them in the preseason already this year, so we
have a rough idea of what to expect. But look,
we know they're very capable of causing threats to us,
especially in the attack, so we've done a bit of

(01:51:24):
video on them and trying to make sure that we
can nullify all their weapons and hopefully hit the back
of the net a few times as well.

Speaker 6 (01:51:33):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:51:33):
Wish you the best of luck, Max, So I hope
you get some time on the park this afternoon. I
hope that Auckland FC make it five straight to us
start the campaign. Thank you very much for your time
with us on news Talk ZB awesome.

Speaker 20 (01:51:44):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (01:51:45):
Thank you, Max, appreciate your time. Max matter form from
the Auckland FCSI five o'clock afternoon against the Newcastle Jets
is a shoot for five straight wins to start the
season in four already on the board. If they can
add a fifth this afternoon. There's a long way to go.
How many I think twenty nine games you roughly play
in the season of the Aly long way to go.

(01:52:10):
But they've made an incredible start, haven't they. AUCKLANDFC. Looking
forward to that one this afternoon, ver much looking forward
to watching the derby next weekend as well. Textadent nine
two nine two, Hi, Aliot, do you think Australia can
beat Ireland tomorrow in the Union four o'clock? I think
the game is looking forward to seeing that. On the

(01:52:32):
basis of last week in Australia's game against Scotland, probably not.
So I was disappointed a little bit by the Wallabies
in that game. I thought there were real chance heating
into it. Scotland controlled that beautifully. I thought they just
built into the game really really nicely took their opportunities
when it counted. Australia perhaps just lacking a little bit

(01:52:52):
of firepower I thought on attack and when they were
in Scottish territory to further their claims. So on the
basis of last week, probably not. But if they play
like they did against England, maybe tied in that defense
a little bit, I think they can give the Irish
a little bit of a scare. You remember it was

(01:53:13):
two years ago, right at the end of the season,
last day effectively of international rugby Australia Ireland. Same case
in Dublin. It was actually Daver in his last game
and they gave Ireland a heck of a scare. They
didn't win the game in the end, but they were
right in and I can't remember the full time score,
but it was only a point or two in it.

(01:53:37):
They lost that Dave and he gets sacked in the offseason.
Eddie Jones takes over and sends Australian rugby back a
few years. What I will think, well, what I will
say though, is Joe Schmidt in charge of an Australian team.
He'll know a lot of those Irish players still. They've

(01:53:58):
kept a lot of continuity over the last five years
since Joe Schmutt left. A lot of those players are
still there from when Joe Schmitt was there. He is
the kind of coach that can come up with game
plans to annoy and frustrate opposition teams and know where
their weaknesses are. He's probably the best of the world
in terms of a game plan coach. And I'm sure

(01:54:22):
he's got something up a sleeve for that game tomorrow
morning ten pass for New Zealand time kickoff. Incidentally as well,
we'll have a bit of fun tomorrow afternoon, bit of
a panel Northern Hemisphere, Southern Hemisphere. James Burrow is going
to join us out of the north, Krusty Doran from
the South, and we'll review the year that has been

(01:54:44):
in rugby and who lies on top of the power
base as the twenty twenty four rugby season comes to
a close. Looking forward to that overnight tonight. Updating the cricket.
The black Caps fifteen for one. Tom Latham the man
outs he was dismissed for just the solitary run off

(01:55:04):
the bowling of Chris Wokes by Harry Brook and the
Black Cap is now fifteen for one. Devin Conway is
on six and Came Williamson on seven. One hundred and
thirty six runs in areas at the moments suns out
in christ Church, good conditions for batting. The black Caps
needing to chip away at this deficit over the coming

(01:55:27):
session and half nineteen away from three.

Speaker 1 (01:55:30):
On News Talk zeb the biggest seams in sport are
on weekend sport with GJ Gunners, New Zealand's most trusted
O builder.

Speaker 2 (01:55:39):
News Talks B sixteen away from three on News Talks,
Let's head back to Hagley Oval, New Zealand at the
batting increase and now in the their second innings, responding
to England's one hundred and fifty one odd lead. Andrew Ordison,
our man at Hagley Oval afternoon again orders.

Speaker 17 (01:55:58):
Greeting's Elliott Yeah, New Zealand. Fiftie was to say Williamson.
On seven Conway six we saw Tom Latham nicking up
just early to harry Brook with the from Chris Woites,
so completing a grim recent time for tommycue having dropped
those street etches during New Zealand during England and England

(01:56:19):
getting to four hundred and ninety nine, the lead of
one hundred and fifty one, New Zealand whittling it away.
So it's a lead of one hundred and thirty six
and now is New Zealand keep making inroads across the
afternoon presumably.

Speaker 2 (01:56:32):
Indeed the opening partnership has become in quite troublesome, isn't it.
One player will seemingly kick on the other will be
dismissed in the first overall too, it's later and Conway
just aren't jelling at the moment as a partnership.

Speaker 17 (01:56:46):
No, that's true, and I think I saw some staggering
statistico there was an average of eighteen of late over
some period. Anyway, it's not working at the present time
and it's just a case of where one can go
on from here, and in this case will be Conway
having got through the six so far after getting out
chiefly caught in bold for two in the first so
I mean later be able to go on to forty

(01:57:08):
seven and that first things and what was an innings
of positive intent, but unable to replicate that today. So yeah,
England putting the pressure on on this the day. But
the pitch now you know, it should be slattening out
on looks of things and things are to the easy
to bet on the way England were able to do so,
but it's just psychological barrier for New's end I think,
to be able to at least whittle down this advantage

(01:57:30):
that got to.

Speaker 2 (01:57:30):
Start with soon as we last settled as well, obviously
mopping up the tail, but it took a heavy mop
to get the towel mopped up. Wasn't easy for the
black Cats, was it.

Speaker 17 (01:57:42):
Yeah, that's right, that's that sort of require the super
sopper to do that at times going around the uct
from days of yore, it was a difficult I mean
Ben Stokes getting to eighty in the ends, but the
rest of ye act until I think got through as well.
He was able to get a you know, put together
forty eight there. So it was a bit of an

(01:58:03):
effort and just adding to those those crucial ones at
least they hell them to under five hundred I suppose
as a barrier might be. But England, Yeah, it took
some wheedling out that's for sure, before they were able
to get through. It wasn't helped, I mean eight dropped
catches over the course of the innings by the New
Zealand fielders. It just was you know, calamity after calamity

(01:58:24):
really and sitting in the area that they need to
work on in some way before we head to Wellington Hamilton.

Speaker 2 (01:58:31):
Indeed, you mentioned the pitch conditions before overhead. Does it
looking all right?

Speaker 17 (01:58:36):
Yeah, it's fighting up here. Actually it was overcast for
most of the day of most of the morning et cetera.
And it's just started to burn off a bit with
the wind coming through, coming through from the east at
the moment, from the field of things out here around
the ground. And yeah, the pitch flattening as I say, so,
it should be right for batting now, right in the
middle of the Test match here. We know how good

(01:58:58):
it can at Hagley, and we Williamson particular has enjoyed
batting here over the years. I just think that chess
is able to secure against Sri Lanka. That's so long
ago and we'll see how that plays out, of course,
across across the game at the moment. And Williamson currently
eight as part of the sixteenth one Conway six.

Speaker 2 (01:59:19):
Indeed and orders. When we last spoke, I requested a
review of the lunch next time we caught up. So
were you well fed and watered at the lunch break?

Speaker 17 (01:59:29):
Yeah, yeah, that's right. Some short horned beef, I guess
duel the crown of that lunch, some broad beans, but
of broccoli or some decent spuds, et cetera. But yeah,
thoroughly enjoying that and piling it on to you. Be
able to get through the afternoon, for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:59:48):
It's only does the State US compliments to the Heckley
Oval cattering stuff. Thank you very much, Orders, look forward
to our catching up tomorrow. I appreciate your time. Good
Thank you very much. Andrew Ordison joining us from Hagley Oval.
As the Test March is on the black Cat sixteen
for one, trailing by one hundred and thirty five came
Williamson not out eight Devin Conway on Sex. That's stat

(02:00:08):
as well. That Orders mentioned there just pulled it up.
It was on Dylan Cleavers the Bounce Substack website read
earlier in the week and that stood out to me
as well. Combay and Latham, going back their last nineteen
innings together have averaged seventeen zero point ninety five for
the first wicket. That is horrifically bad. And that time

(02:00:31):
they've compiled more zero partnerships three than they have over
fifty two. Neither have had a Test ton in more
than twenty five completed innings Conway twenty seven, Latham thirty two.
Runs hard to come by as a partnership and indeed

(02:00:53):
individually for both of those players, and again they didn't
pass their average of recent times seventeen. This time they
only made it to three worrying signs, but there's no
obvious real replacement is there? Will Young, I might argue,
but I'm not sure openings necessarily his bag, either at
first class or Test level. The black Caps are going

(02:01:15):
to have to build without their skippet at the moment.
As Williamson, it's a nice four twenty for one. We'll
take a break, come back wrap up weekend sport after.

Speaker 1 (02:01:24):
This breaking down the hail Mary's and the epic fails
weekend sports news talk.

Speaker 2 (02:01:34):
It is seven away from three on news Talk zb
the black Caps twenty one for one at the moment.
That almost does us for a weekend sport For another
weekend big show coming up tomorrow as well. As I
mentioned before, Ireland and Australia ten past four tomorrow morning,
the last international rugby match of the good chance to
get a perspective on the year that has been, so

(02:01:55):
we'll dig into that with our rugby panel tomorrow from
the North and from the South. More on the cricket
of course as well, and plenty of other sport on
the go overnight as well. The new seven season incidentally
starting in Dubai. Men's and women's are getting under way.
With their campaigns of course, the women coming off the

(02:02:17):
back of their gold medal winning performance, missing michaela Blyd
and a couple of others from the usual lineup, but
De Bully and Kaitlin Vacallor for the first time in
sevens that starts latest night in Dubai. The men real
sea change in their team as well, a lot of
players retiring moving on to Super Rugby mores as Leo

(02:02:37):
going to the NRL. So on the back of that
disappointing men's sevens campaign at the Olympics, a lot of
change there. So looking forward to seeing how the seven
sides go tonight on day one in Dubai and will continue.
Andrew Ortison be back with the cricket updates as well tomorrow,
I'm sure a big feature of the show. Crucial couple
of hours coming up for the black Caps as they

(02:02:57):
try and whittle away this England advantage in the first
cricket Test at Hagley. Overall, look forward to catching up
with orders tomorrow right as we do. To wrap up
the show, each and every Saturday and Sunday afternoon, one
of us will take the reins and give us a song,
a musical interlude if you will, and Andy, thank you

(02:03:20):
for producing this afternoon one. Have you dug into your
vinyl collection and dust it off for us. I'll be
stagger if this is on vinyl. Elliot, but Sean Kingston's
face drop the operative word there. Drop is a bit
of Sean Kingston commentary on the black Caps catching ability
and I see what you've done there, match. That's my

(02:03:40):
link to cricket here. Drop nicely, nicely drop, but the
drop is really what I'm targeting on that one. Well played, Andy,
black Caps twenty one for one. At least they can't
drop any catches when they're batting. I suppose eights in
the field, you know exactly. There's a positive there somewhere,
came Williams in the first Droppers and there you go.

(02:04:01):
There's another use of the work. He's here on Friday. Andy,
thank you very much for you. If it's this afternoon now,
Tim Beveridge in next and we're back midday tomorrow forward
your company then, don't you know?

Speaker 8 (02:04:15):
We way now.

Speaker 20 (02:04:29):
Our time.

Speaker 1 (02:04:33):
Westay down make a way for more from weekends Sport
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