Foreign Influence

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Before I go back to Rob in newbury Port. He
was making a brilliant point. My sister texted in and
she disagrees with me. So literally, within the Kooner family

(00:23):
there is division and dissension. So here's what she wrote
from Tucson, Arizona, Jeff, most of these four and millionaires
and billionaires could have already been citizens if they wanted to.
The ones that are socialists slash globalists can do the
damage from where they are, wherever they are. The benefit

(00:47):
from the gold card is the investment that these foreigners
will make right here in America, which stimulates our economy.
And moreover, they have to report to the I R
S and to our government now we have more information
on them. This is a genius idea on Trump's part.

(01:11):
So my sister loves it. So even even in the
Cooner familia, even in the Cooner family household, there's uh,
there's division. Ashton, by the way, also texted me saying, Dad,
I love the idea of a gold card. Trump knows
what he's doing. Leave him alone. So even my own

(01:31):
son is disagreeing with me on this. Rob in newbury Port,
please pick up where you left off, Rob, Rob, Rob, do.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
We have you?

Speaker 3 (01:48):
Rob?

Speaker 4 (01:49):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Yes, yes, go ahead, Rob, go ahead? Please?

Speaker 4 (01:52):
Okay, yes, okay. Jeff, great points there, and even even
your sister so fifty it's a carrot for think it's
a turd, but really it's just a pig with lipstick
right now, and as a blank, Trump is very brilliant
and what I what I'm believing here is is that
he can do this.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
But also me.

Speaker 4 (02:13):
Being in real estate looking at the big, big, big
pictures and everything that's going on here, which you need
contingency clauses, you need dolvency clauses. And then too, if
you bring these people in and making citizens like Luke
was saying, you know, then they bring the string of
family along with them, you know, and then they get there,

(02:36):
then they get their their stuff for free. But what
you do is you can bring these people in and
and and allow them to only be minority, put them
on a grease period, making minority ownerships and not full ownerships.
Because my story going back to these like uh these
up like the Panama Canal and and and all these
other things that we're selling off and we're into debt

(02:57):
for China. They're not giving this money. They they they're taking,
they're taking hard assets from us they own, they already
own this country. Okay, So bottom line is is that
and and then to you, you don't let them become
you know what they call arms linked bustance of the transaction. Hey,

(03:19):
these are all like real estate legal terms. And but
if Trump can and team can figure that out where
these people don't take one hundred percent control of our country,
then and we can monitor them on a grace period,
uh probation period, that would be great. And again that's
a brilliant idea. But but just as a blanket statement,

(03:41):
just selling off these things with no contingency plan or
no or no way out of it for for Americans
to regain control. Look at Panama Canal.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
Thank you well, you know, Rob, I think you really
put your finger on it. And look, this is what
the Trump administration is with Trump and Elon and the
Commerce secretary again this is really his brainchild, Howard Lutnik.
This is what they're saying. We're not just going to
let anybody buy a gold card they're going to be vetted,

(04:11):
they're going to be background checks. Some people are not
going to be allowed to come in. We don't want
people in organized crime, people in the mob, people who
are drug traffickers or members of drug cartels, or people
that we believe are maybe spies or trying to conduct espionage, so,

(04:31):
you know, national security concerns. So they go, look, we
will be vetting this closely. But in the end they're
going to get if they pay the money and they
pass the background checks and they give us the five million,
they're going to get citizenship, and so will their families.
And not only will they get citizenship, they also have

(04:54):
to invest, create a certain amount of jobs, and pay taxes.
And if they do all of those things, they're in
and they believe that like a lottery or like a
product that they can literally monetize. I mean, to put
it crudely, they're selling citizenship. I mean, I know the

(05:16):
goal is to pay down the debt. I understand that
and save and rescue the country economically. But really what
they're saying is we're selling citizenship. What's the price? Five million?
And they think there are at least one, if not two,
three four million people out there who have the five million,
who can also invest, who can pay taxes, create some jobs,

(05:41):
and help us go a long way towards paying off
the debt. To me, again, as I said, what's the
price that you put on citizenship and what you're really doing?
And I know they don't want to not saying it
like that, but to me, that's not. What appears to
me is you're putting a massive for sales sign on America.

(06:04):
And I'm telling you a lot of the people that
are going to come in here and buy that gold card.
Let me tell you what many of you are commenting on,
Besides obviously the issue at hand, Trump's proposal, which he
wants to officially launch in two weeks, so it's very ambitious.
He wants to get the timeline moved up as quickly
as possible. He wants to start selling these gold cards

(06:27):
as quickly as it can, so he wants it done
in about fifteen days. My question to you, do you
support his program to establish a gold card whereby foreigners,
wealthy foreign individuals can buy US citizenship essentially for five
million dollars. Now, again, I know I've been saying it

(06:50):
all morning, but it bears, repeating they have to create jobs,
they have to establish businesses or invest in the United States.
They have to pay taxes, so they do have to
contribute economically financially to the United States. It's not just
five million and that's it, but essentially the heart of
the proposal five million dollars, and they are on a

(07:13):
fast track to citizenship for them and their families. Trump says,
all of the money raised, and they're anticipating potentially trillions
of dollars, that's trillions with a T, will go to
aggressively pay down the debt. Good idea, bad idea. What
many of you are commenting on is Cooner country is

(07:36):
essentially divided. Is it fifty five forty five? I don't
know what the latest poll says. It's about fifty to fifty, okay, whatever,
fifty three, forty seven, fifty two, forty eight, you know, whatever,
it is. How civil the debate has been, how intelligent
the debate has been, how good nature the debate has been,
how open minded, the good the debate has been.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
And you know, the liberals keep saying, we were cult,
we're cult, we never disagree with Trump, We're like robots.
Whatever he says, we agree with no.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
This discussion is clearly proving that, and other discussions as
well that we've had on this show. So but it's,
you know, it's what a good discussion debate should be.
Notice it's not how the liberals and the Dems debate.
It's not you're a fascist, you're a hitler. Go f yourself.

(08:36):
We want to shoot you, we want to kill you,
we want to cancel you, we want to censor you.
Notice when MAGA and conservatives and patriots have a disagreement,
Look how civilized and intelligent it is. Now on that
note to be fully fair to Trump and his proposal. Listen, now,

(08:59):
this is Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick. This is really his baby,
this idea. He's beside Trump in the Oval Office and
he's saying, look, the gold card is really going to
replace the HB visa program. He says, we've had this
since nineteen ninety where rich people, if they promise to

(09:20):
invest and create ten jobs and pay about a million dollars,
it's a sliding scale, it's about a bill one million dollars,
they get green cards, they get permanent residency, and then
after five years on a green card, they're eligible for citizenship.
So he says, what I'm really doing is I'm modernizing, improving,

(09:44):
updating the HB visa program, which has got huge backlogs.
There's been problem with fraud, it's it's got quotas, it's
not working for our country. This will unle a ton
of money and investment and capital into the United States.

(10:06):
Roll Cut twenty eight, Mike.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
Five program.

Speaker 5 (10:14):
It was really you lend some money, but it was
all it was full of nonsense, make believe in fraud,
and it was a way to get a green card
that was low priced. So the President said, rather than
having this sort of ridiculous EB five program, We're going
to end the EB five program. We're going to replace
it with the Trump Gold Card, which is really a

(10:35):
green card. Goal so they'll be able to pay five
million dollars to the US government. They'll have to go
through vetting. Of course, we're going to make sure they're wonderful,
world class global citizens. They can come to America, the
President can give them a green card, and they can
invest in America, and we can use that money to
reduce our deficit. Why do we give out lotteries of

(10:58):
green cards? Why do we give out EB five for
green cards. President United States understands that the right answer
is why don't we eliminate the deficit of the United
States of America instead?

Speaker 1 (11:10):
So that's that's the real impetus, that's the rationale. If
you want to know, why are they pushing this so
hard and so aggressively. They think they have a creative
idea outside the box to start really paying down that debt,
and this is the ticket to do it. Six one
seven two six six sixty eight sixty eight. This is

(11:30):
from Mary Anne on messenger. Jeff, I'm with you on this.
This is all wrong. What the hell is Trump thinking?
This is the stuff we're trying to get away from China,
owning our farmland, people like Klaus Schwab telling us how
to live and what we can and can't have. And

(11:53):
as far as spying, you are one thousand percent correct.
They're already doing it. Think of those spy balloons. They've
been doing it. They will continue to do it. But
if they get citizenship here, you are one hundred percent correct,
their allegiance is not to us, and this is going
to be so much worse. This is absolutely a crazy,

(12:14):
frightening proposal. It is just my opinion, but it is
very frightening. I bet you the communist Chinese are probably
already lining up drooling. That's an excellent point, Mari Anne.
This is from Charles on Messenger about if we repudiate

(12:37):
the debt, then year after year we're gonna have to
balance the budget because nobody's gonna win this money anymore. Jeff,
you will never see a balanced budget year after year
unless you have a constitutional amendment forcing the politicians to
do it.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
You're dead on.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
You're dead on, Charles, absolutely dead on, dead.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
On, Honey.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
We need a balanced budget amendment because unless you're holding
a proverbial gun to their head, these politicians can never
balance the budget. Six one seven two six six sixty
eight sixty eight is the number. Okay, do you like
this idea? Not like this idea? Anthony in New Hampshire.

(13:24):
Thanks for holding Anthony, and welcome.

Speaker 6 (13:30):
Jeff. The thirty six trillion dollars that we owe. It's
a credit card, okay, So the credit cards maxed out.
So Trump comes up with all these ideas. We bring
all these people in, they pay five million dollars. We
cut all the weight in the government, We lay people
off we pay that debt down to nothing. What's going
to tough the Democrats for running for president in three

(13:51):
years eleven months promising everybody everything, jobs in government, all
this money if they get in, and then they put
the debt right back where it was again, all this
is a waste of time with Trump's dooring, we can't
predict the future. I go buy a house and it's
a thirty year mortgage. How can I predict that thirty
years and I'm going to be able to pay this mortgage?

(14:12):
How are they going to be able to keep the
budget down and stop the Democrats from ballooning it again?

Speaker 1 (14:19):
Well, you know, And just to bounce off of what
you're saying, Anthony, I want to read this. This is
Eric on Messenger and he made a point I didn't
even think of. But you're touching on it, Jeff. What
happens when a Democrat say, like ooh, Jimmy Carter in
the future drops the price of the gold card down

(14:40):
to one dollar instead of one world order, it will
be a new World Order formerly known as America. My
gut says, hell no, because in their minds, Jeff, and
he's talking about these wealthy foreign investors they're not buying citizenship,
they're buying America. So Anthony, you know your point about

(15:04):
the Democrats coming to power in the future and racking
up the debt again, Well, not only can they rack
up the debt again, but they can say we're not
going to charge you five million, We'll charge you one million,
five hundred thousand, one hundred thousand, ten thousand, one thousand
a buck, and this way will sell citizenship and we

(15:26):
can flood the country. I mean technically with illegals. I
mean they'll be legal because they just you know, they
paid the buck or the five bucks or the ten
bucks for the gold cart. But this is it's a
very dangerous precedent. If you're buying citizenship, you're assuming the
price is going to be high. But with the Democrats,

(15:49):
they can they can drop that price to rock bottom.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
Am I wrong? Anthony?

Speaker 6 (15:56):
Oh You're not wrong, Jeff. But I'm sixty years old,
and I'm not saying the Republicans and would build it
up again if they had it the wrong Republican in there.
But if you look at our presidential history, our government's
like a ping pong game. The Republicans get in, the
ball goes the one side, and then they spend all
four years doing all this stuff. Then the Democrat is
because the other side it's like, we're like spinning our wheels.

(16:19):
We're not going anywhere because both sides got their heads
so far up there, you know what. And this idea
with Trump at five million dollars represent you know what. Yeah, no,
I'm not too sure on it. But if the Democrat
gets in all that money he just raised for bringing
in a million strangers, it's going to get spent out

(16:39):
again and there'll be more people.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
I agree with you, Okay, just to show you it's
done in other countries. About one hundred countries around the
world do it. It's called the term is CBI citizenship
by investment. So that's essentially what Trump's gold card is.
It's a form of CBI. Now, this person's six who
texted me. I know, this person a patriot, served in

(17:04):
the American military, the Air Force.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
He's of Greek heritage, an.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
American, a really great American patriot, but of Greek descent.
So this is what he sent me, Jeff. Foreigners can
apply for Greek citizenship by investment CBI or through naturalization
after living in Greece. For seven years. Now, if you
want to go by citizenship by Investment CBI, here is

(17:31):
how it works.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
In Greece.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
Applicants must invest at least two hundred and fifty thousand
euros about two hundred and eighty thousand, two hundred and
seventy five thousand dollars a ballpark, in real estate or
in a business. Applicants must have permanent residency in Greece.
Applicants must live in Greece for at least one hundred

(17:55):
and eighty three days per year, in other words, just
over six months, little bit over half of the year.
You've got to be living in Greece. And finally, applicants
must have a clean criminal record and medical insurance. So
there are other conditions, but the price is essentially, you know,

(18:16):
ex euros and dollars. The conversion keeps changing, but roughly
two hundred and seventy five two hundred and eighty thousand
dollars that's what it takes to buy citizenship in Greece.
So interesting, that's interesting. This is from five oh eight Jeff.

(18:37):
Purchasing citizenship should not allow for any special privileges above
natural born citizens, and the five million dollars should be
non refundable in the event that the so called new
citizen either violates the law or has their citizenship revoked

(18:58):
or guaranteed. Trump is adamant on that point. Once you
cough up the five million, you're never getting it back.
You break the law, you break the terms of the agreement,
you don't set up a business, you're not creating jobs.
In other words, you're not hitting all the benchmarks. You're out,
you lose your citizenship, and we keep the five mil.

(19:22):
So no, the good thing about this is once the
five mill is paid, it goes right into that fund
to pay down the debt, and you never get it back. Okay,
one more, six, one seven, Jeff. And this is a
very interesting question, Jeff. Is this fee for citizenship, this
gold card, really a perverted or legal version of what

(19:49):
the coyotes do? In other words, for the right price,
will let you come into the United States, or will
bring you into the United States? Yes, I think, you know,
except it's done legally. That's of course a huge difference.

(20:09):
But basically, here's some money, and get me into America.
Except in this case it has the full blessing of
the US government, you know, under the Trump administration, so
it's legal, it's not illegal, but it's basically money. And
here's you know, and you're welcome to America. Six one

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seven two six six sixty eight sixty eight is the
number Steve in Braintree. Thanks for holding Steve, and welcome.

Speaker 7 (20:43):
Good morning, my friend.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
How are you believe I haven't heard from you in
a while? How are you my biddy?

Speaker 7 (20:48):
Now I've been I've been so excited about the about
the election, so I haven't had a chance to call. Actually,
been very busy. You've got a lot of callers now,
I just you know, my usual take here is to
dispel a few, bring us back to reality here. First
of all, you know the nations you're worried about, Saudi Arabia, China,
most Saudi. The only people with money in Saudi Arabia

(21:09):
the Saudi royal family. Everyone else is a citizen. No
one who can afford five million is going to give
up the life of a Saudi prince to live in America.
They'll visit, they'll buy bugattis, they'll fly here, but they
go home to do their falconry where they're treated like royalty.
So Saudi citizens are not coming here. No one else
in the Middle East except the royal families of those
houses have the money to come here. Everyone else who

(21:30):
wanted to and had money, you many oligack whatever, is
not going to pass the background check. So no one
from the Middle East who's a terrorist or a terrorist
sympathizer or a crook is coming here. Second, the Chinese
government is not going to pay five million dollars to
put a spy on our radar when they sneak them
in for free through the student program. You don't put
your spies in the crosshairs of the United States government

(21:53):
by paying money, doing the background check and figuring out
who they are. That's ridiculous. It's not going to happen.
These are wealthy p people coming from And the real
problem with China is this that if we all talk
about China like it's going to stay communists and dominate
the world, they have a worse retirement program elderly time
bomb than we do. They have no way to support
the readly population with their current economic growth. They are

(22:15):
a ticking time by waiting to explode. And second, they're
a quasi capitalist system. They let their middle class have
a little bit but no power in the government that
system is not going to last forever. Whatever happens, whatever
collapse happens. That system is not long term unlike ours.
So these things you're worried about in terms of citizenship
program are not going to happen. Instead, we're going to

(22:37):
get wealthy people from Europe who don't want to live
in the European system. And no matter how many of
these people you bring in, they're not going to have
outsized political power. They're not because they're coming from different areas,
different They're not all going to be from one nation
where they all get together. You know how recent immigrants are.
They're going to go to different parts of the country.

Speaker 6 (22:55):
This is not what.

Speaker 7 (22:56):
They're coming here to do. I think we have a
real I think Trump is right about this. If they
want citizenship, they want to be in a country where
they can earn money, maybe have some influence in how
their local governments and seal governments are run because they
don't have anywhere they're from and they're wealthy. Why wouldn't
we even talked about Apple buying these and then using
it to bring in talent. I mean, he had a
whole program set up, and Lutnik is a brilliant economic figures.

(23:20):
So I don't understand where this fear of this system
comes in. We have a commodity, the United States. Citizenship
is a commodity, and we need to start instead of
bringing in you know, we've been bringing in who are
just leech. Isn't going to live up the system. Let's
bring some people to build up the system. That's the
best argument I can make.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
Well, and Stee, look, you make an excellent argument, as always,
you always make a very good argument with Steve. Is
citizenship a commodity? I think that's the fundamental premise. To me,
it's not. I don't think our country is a business.
I think our countries a family. I think our countries
a nation. I don't think you can put a price

(23:59):
tag on citizenship. And I don't like the idea of
selling and principle, I don't like the idea of selling citizenship.
You know, I sure I came to do well in America, obviously,
but I didn't come for the money. I came to assimilate.
I came because I love this country. I love its history,

(24:19):
I love its heritage, I love its constitution, I love
its Bill of Rights, I love its founding. I love
everything that it stands for, and to me, once you
start cheapening citizenship, because I mean, Steve, just think about it.
If we're going to establish a system where it's five million,
well what prevents a Democrat from coming in and saying, Nah,
it's one million, or it's five hundred thousand, or it's

(24:42):
one hundred thousand, or it's fifty thousand, or it's a buck.
I mean, I know a buck is absurd, it's not,
but you know what I'm saying. In other words, once
you start putting a price on citizenship, you're essentially you're
saying your country's for sale, and the Democrats will sell
it for cheap. Trump is at least going to hold
the price high. But you know, you're assuming Trump's always

(25:05):
going to be in power. What do you say to
that argument?

Speaker 7 (25:10):
Everything has a price in this world. Everything is a commodity.
I get all the raw raw patriots and stuff, but
first of all, no one's gonna want to live here
if they don't like the American system. No one, no
one chooses to live if you're wealthy in your own
home country and being wealthy here is better for you?
Why is it better for you? Because of the system
that exists. So to say that they're not going to
be patriarchic and not going to like living in America

(25:31):
is an assumption I'm not going to make. No one
pays that account of money to come here and live
and hates the system they're going to live under. That's
that's Democrat nonsense. Democrats hate the system even though they
take advantage of it. I don't see that as a problem. Secondarily,
you have you have people who want to come here. Instead,
we can bring in the poor, the tired, every you
know what we what we've been bringing in or allowing in,

(25:53):
or we can bring in things that make our country better.
I just I see it totally differently. And they're going
to pay a price. So why if I have the means,
should I not be able to take advantage of those
means give them money to the government to use doo bids.
You know, if we pay down the debt is more
services for other people. It just it makes sense to me.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
Steve as always, and please, buddy, don't be a stranger.
You got to call more often. Steve as Always, Thank
you very much for that call. Look to me, this
is the analogy I would use and I get Steve's argument,
and I think it's going to prevail. I think in
the end, the economics of this are potentially so lucrative,

(26:31):
and the dire need to confront this time bomb of
a debt is so urgent that I think in the
end they're gonna have no choice, but they're gonna go
with it. But this is my analogy, marrying for love
or marrying for money. And I understand his argument. Well,
you know, they love the system, that's why they're coming here.

(26:53):
But do they really have an allegiance to America? In
other words, they just come in paid five million bucks
and now they're a citizen. I came for love, and
you know, I look, I'll be brutally honest with you.
I can't tell you how many times growing up I
had families people say, Oh, marry that person for money.

(27:15):
Oh that person's really well off.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
Oh you want your daughter.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
To be really financially comfortable. Oh you want your son
to really have a good life.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
Marry her. She's loaded, her parents are loaded.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
And my attitude always was, you marry for love, because
in the end, when you marry for money, it doesn't work.
It just doesn't work. It's a life of misery. It's
a life of emptiness. It's just it's to me, it's
not a life worth living. And so I don't look

(27:48):
That's where I disagree with Steve. And again he makes
a very strong argument, but I don't look at citizenship
as a quote commodity or a product, because what you're
really saying is the country's a commodity and a product,
and that's that's not that's not America.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
I don't see it that way. I refuse to see
it that way. But that's me.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
Six one seven two six six sixty eight sixty.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
Eight K in Florida.

Speaker 8 (28:16):
Thanks for holding K and welcome Well, thanks for allowing
me to be on the show.

Speaker 6 (28:23):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 8 (28:24):
I love your show.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (28:26):
Ke.

Speaker 4 (28:26):
Well.

Speaker 8 (28:26):
It's very clear, and it's very plain and simple how
this deficit can be wiped out completely. I still hear
people calling President Trump, oh, he's a convicted, convicted sellon president.
They're still they still wish that they had a Democrat
in Okay, fine, and you know who that was going
to be? The Lacomena. Well, all those people should put

(28:47):
their money where their mouth is. If they have a
tax return coming back for them, this year, and if
they don't, then gnish their wages so that they can
pay for what they believed in, which is to make
this country in the state that it is now had
they are aiding in a bedding by allowing all this
to come in during the four years they'll lost their
lovable mister Biden was in office.

Speaker 4 (29:09):
And what do we have.

Speaker 8 (29:11):
We have drug addicts, we have fatanyl killings, rapists, we
have gang members, do we miss that? And trafficking children
and they are part of the problem. They ate it
in the bed and let them pay for it. Shut
off the food supply, the clothing, the housing for all
these illegal immigrants. And we are an immigrant country, however,

(29:31):
a legal immigrant country. Let them pay for it.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
Do it.

Speaker 8 (29:36):
Go down the voter registration list of all Democrats and
have them each put in one thousand dollars. They'll have
it all down and pay for it, no problem.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
So kay, I'm just curious if Trump, you know, if
you were his conciliary or if you were at his
cabinet meeting yesterday, because they discussed the gold card again yesterday,
not just a couple of days ago in the Oval Office,
and he's said, kay, you like this idea. You don't
like this idea? What would you tell him?

Speaker 7 (30:07):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (30:07):
I I love the I like the idea.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
And do you think it's real I'm just curious. Do
you think it's realistic that he can get a million
people to pay for that gold card? He gets a
mill that's five trillion dollars.

Speaker 8 (30:21):
If he can get people who do the same jobs
over over again or not even working, if he can
get fire them, he is, Kay, He's capable of doing
this to get the Democrats pay for what they've done
to the country.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
Interesting. Interesting, Kay, Thank you very much for that call.
I really appreciate it. Six one seven two six six
sixty eight sixty eight. Okay, this is from Mark in Medford.
He messaged me. Sorry, Chuck, Chuck just messaged me. Okay, Jeff,

(30:57):
if you want to marry a bum, Chuck's a very
funny guy. If you want to marry a bum, you
go ahead. But for me, forget it. Okay, okatcha, all right?
This is from This is from Mark and Medford.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
Jeff.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
This is why I love your show. We can agree
to disagree and not have any ill will towards each other,
unlike some people we know. But Jeff I have to
disagree with you on that coyote version or the allegory
that you made. It's not the same people that come
to this country via a coyote are here to mooch

(31:42):
off of us. This Trump plan is not like that whatsoever.
So that's why I disagree with you, Jeff, and I
still love you in a non sexual way, my friend. Well,
thank you, Mark. No, no, that is true. I mean no,
these people are not moochers. Trump is right on that.

(32:03):
These are investors, these are business people. These are wealthy people. Uh,
you know, the opposite of a drain on the system.
I mean five million up front, and they got to
deliver on jobs, on investments, on setting up businesses, paying taxes.
You know, they hire people, they also pay taxes. So no,

(32:23):
this is there's no question. That's that's the allure of this,
you know. That's that's why we're all like, wow, I
mean this, we're talking maybe trillions of dollars off the
national debt.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
So this did did? Did you know? These aren't illegals,
that's for sure.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
So, and it's going to be a bit of a
brain drain for the rest of the world because I
think a lot of what Trump wants to do. It's
not just attract these wealthy businessmen and investors, but also
as he said about you know, let's say uh Apple's
Tim Cook. He says, I want to hire people, but
they're from India, or they're from Brazil, or they're from whatever,

(33:04):
Taiwan or I don't care, pick your country. They go
to our best schools, they graduate top or near the
top of the class, but it's hard for them to
get a job here or to sponsor them. Well, I'll
pay five million gold card they stay and they work
for my company. So it's also going to attract a

(33:24):
lot of the best and brightest from around the world
if they're willing, you know, if the investors are willing
to the pony up the five million six one seven
two six six sixty eight sixty eight. Paul in Natick.
Thanks for holding Paul, and welcome.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
Hey Jeff, how are you doing?

Speaker 7 (33:43):
Want to good?

Speaker 2 (33:43):
How are you Paul?

Speaker 3 (33:45):
Great show, Jeff. If you had three more hours, I
think we could come to the all the same conclusion.
But unfortunately, I think Trump is he's just a strategist.
I mean, he's all the stuff that everybody's saying on
both sides. Very good point. Makes what I've said today.
You don't want to, you know, just handing out. You know,

(34:07):
because you're a rich billionaire, you can buy a citizenship. Well,
what does what does that mean? I can vote? I
can serve on a jury? What does that mean? I
mean it doesn't. I mean it's good, but I think
I think the larger pictures he's trying to shine a
light on the whole subject, and he's kind of trolling
up a little bit, Jeff. You know, it's like buying

(34:28):
guns of buying green He's in other words, if it happened,
it wouldn't be that bad.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
But it's not.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
Really the objective. Objective is to let people know that
you come here to the United States, you should be
an upstanding citizen. You should not come here illegally. You
should you know, pay your taxes. Yeah, but what about
the poor people done in South America? Well, let's give

(34:56):
them a bronze card, Jeff, or a silver card, you know,
based on your economic ability. And yeah, instead of paying
the coyotes in the drug cartels, just the writers a
check for ten thousand, and you can come here.

Speaker 7 (35:10):
Oh, we'll go.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
We'll send a plane down to pick up. But you're
going to be on a scrutiny. That's the whole point.
I think it's really it's not really changing, and everything
else is already still there. There are still people wielding
influence on this country from abroad, Sorrows and Klaus Schwab
and billionaires, and you know, they don't need a citizenship, Chinese,

(35:31):
the communists. It's I think that the bigger picture here
is Trump is just saying, look it, here's the situation.
Immigrationitys country is good, but it has to have laws.
It has to have you know, there has to be
some sort of stipulations to it other than open borders.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
Well, you're dead on. I'll you're dead on. There's no question.

Speaker 5 (35:51):
No.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
Look, he's drawing a spotlight or he's shining a spotlight
on several things, and it's shaken the entire debate. And
I think on that he's done a masterful job. Look,
number one, he's trying to tell us we have a
debt crisis. Both Frankly and Elon to be fair, both
of and Lutnik, okay, all three of them, to be fair,

(36:13):
and they're right. He's saying, look like, do you want
to see you understand the scale of the debt crisis.
We got to start issuing gold carts at five million
a pop. And if we don't get millions and millions
and millions of people to buy into it, we can't
pay down to debt. Do you understand how bad things are?

Speaker 2 (36:31):
Like?

Speaker 1 (36:31):
That's Trump is trying to tell the country this. We've
got a two trillion dollar deficit every year, two trillion.
We're paying almost a trillion a year just to finance
the interest on the debt. You know, as Elon said yesterday,
he got up. It was very dramatic. He said, we're
going bankrupt. Do you understand, like, as a country, we're

(36:54):
going broke? You hear me, like, hello, wake up. It's
not a question whether you like Doge, don't like Doge.
If we don't do Doge, we're done. Trump is saying
we may have to go more than Doge. We may
have to go gold card. And what he's also saying,
why don't we start attracting wealthy investors, people who are

(37:19):
highly skilled, people who are highly educated, people who can
contribute immediately, who aren't a drain on the system, but
the opposite, they're contributing to the system. So what he's
saying is we've had the immigration system, whether it's legal

(37:40):
or illegal, completely backward for decades. So I think on
those he's clicking on all cylinders, but I think he
doesn't understand someone look and I fear.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
Let me put this way.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
My fear is there are unintended consequences. One of them
you just touched on. You know, if there's a gold card,
well then what does that mean. There could be a
silver card, right, there could be a bronze card.