January 20, 2022 • 40 mins
Amy’s sister, @CristiDozier, joined for the first 3 things!! FIRST THING: Amy shared a list of morning habits that doctors & psychologists wish we would do and then asked Cristi to share her morning routine!! From making our beds to practicing gratitude…what is something you do every morning that sets your day up for success?? SECOND THING: Cristi is obsessed with Donald Miller’s new book: Hero on a Mission so she gave her little pitch on WHY we all need to read it (or listen to it) ASAP. Amy then recommended Katie Couric’s book: Going There. It’s inspiring her to think about certain dreams/goals and giving herself permission to explore them at 40-years-old. THIRD THING: Parent’s Magazine put out a list of “teen slang,” so Amy gave Cristi a quiz to see if she’s up to speed on communicating with her 4 kids. FOURTH THING: Amy’s friend, Jo Piazza, is back on to talk about her new podcast: The Pod Club. It’s a new weekly show bringing recommendations from podcast insiders on what you should be listening to next. There are more podcasts than ever and we are your podcast obsessed best friend who listens to everything out there to recommend exactly what you want in your ears.
LINKS TO THINGS MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE:
Root House Coffee (Cristi’s shop):
4 Things Gratitude Journal:
https://www.theshopforward.com/products/4-things-gratitude-journal-2-0
Hero on a Mission:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/1400226945?ref=exp_radioamy_dp_vv_d
Going There:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0316535893?ref=exp_radioamy_dp_vv_d
The Pod Club:
https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-the-pod-club-90218429/
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Okay, little food for you. So life, Oh it's pretty Bay,
It's pretty beautiful than that. A little moth kicking with
(00:30):
four Happy Thursday. Welcome to four Things. Amy here, and
I've got my sister Christie here on zoom. We've started
the podcast over like three times now because I have
a headache and I've been rambling, and now Christie staring
at me, like, what is wrong with you? You can
have focus, people idea, have focus at all. So I'm
(00:51):
in Nashville. My sister is in Pagosa Springs, Colorado, and
she's joining me for the first three things, which Christie,
I want to get into morning habits at that doctors
and psychologists wish we would do because we all be
better off if we start doing these things. I want
to know if you do any of them. And then
for the second thing, my sister is extremely passionate about
(01:11):
a new book that she's reading, and I got to
say she's not wrong. It's amazing. I've already downloaded it
and I have a completely different book that I'm reading
at night, So we want to do like a little
mini book club, but with y'all for that thing. And
then Christie, I know that your mama four and multiple
teenagers always at your house all the time, especially with
your boys. And I have a fourteen year old daughter.
(01:33):
But I'm gonna do a little teen slang quiz with you,
and it's like a parents guide to understanding how the
young kids talk these days, because I think it's important
to stay in the note. And then for the fourth thing,
my friend Joe will be on UM talking about her
new podcast, which I think is a cool one that
you're going to want to check out, especially if you're
ever looking for new podcasts to listen to. But if
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you are listening to this one right now, it's not
lost on me because there's so many podcasts, so much
content out there. So thank you for being here. And Christie,
I'll give a little backstory about you for people that
haven't heard you on the podcast before, even though you've
been a guest before. But she's been my sister for
forty plus years. A lot of people think we look
a lot alike, but personality wise we're very different. I
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would say probably growing up you were more considered like
the angel, the soft spoken, Oh Christie could do no wrong. Meanwhile,
she was sneaking out at night to meet boys she
just didn't get caught until one day she opened the
window and was going to sneak out and then fell
asleep on the bed with all of her clothes on,
and she did get caught. And so I just got
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caught more than you did, like you were sneaky about it.
But she's also not someone that likes to be in
the public spotlight. Now she'll join me for the podcast
because that's been comfortable. But I say all this because
it's kind of crazy that my sister is now filming
a TV show for HDTV with her husband Ben, because
they have a design build firm and they have beautiful
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projects that they've worked on, and I'm so excited I
did for the show to premiere this year. I can't
believe it's premiering April twenty two. Is that the date?
I think it's the tenth, But I mean that all
can change. It's on a Sunday night. This is all
what we've been told. But also everything is always very fluid,
so nothing is that things change. But they are filming
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a show and they run a cute little coffee shop
called root House and Pagosa Springs, Colorado, which so many
of you listening have gone by to get coffee if
you're in the area and picked up maybe even a
four things to while you're there, or some base Camp coffee,
because that's my favorite root House flavor. Is it called
flavor or blend or what? Yeah, blend roast, it's my
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favorite roast. And then I saw that Mary had actually
posted that your Choose joyspoons are now back in stock too.
Oh yeah, we re stopped them. We sold out quickly
over Christmas and then I had to quick order some
more back in first. So honored to have my very
talent as sister here to talk about morning habits and
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what does your morning look like and what's something you
do every day no matter what. This is mainly on
school mornings, but on regular mornings to My husband will
get up first, the alarm goes off, He gets up,
goes and turns on the boiling water for the fridge press.
Then as the water is boiling, he comes back in.
We make the bed and we kind of do it
in this synchronized way, and we time ourselves and we
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can make the bed in like less than forty five seconds.
It's pretty impressive. Fun game. So this is what you
look forward to after twenty years of marriage. I don't know,
but he's pretty into the timing it also, so it's
not just me. So we make the bed and then
by that time the coffee has gone off, the fire
has gotten started, the French press is about ready, and
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we sit by the fire until it's time to get
the kids up. So it depends how early we get up,
how much time we have by the fire, and we're
reading or talking or something for at least a small
period of time before the kids get up. Then they
get up and and it's all to them until they're
out the door. I know, having kids in the house
and like trying to have a morning routine, Like I
I see these people that have these elaborate morning routines
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and I don't get it. But I've always had to
leave super early for work. But even if I was
home the whole time, or if I've had days where
I'm off of work and I am actually there, I'm
like not killing it in this far at all. But
baking your bed does make the top five things that
we should be doing every morning, and no pressure by this,
and by should, I mean like loosely, if you can
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incorporate this in your life, but like, no shame if
you can't at all. Psychologists and doctors apparently wish we
would adopt these habits and it. Number five was getting
some natural light, but I wake up before there is light.
Some days I don't see light until the Bobby Bones
shows over and I go out to my car and
I'm like in a Number four was making bed which
I would feel like you were an inspiration to me
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when it comes to being a bedmaker, because you've always
been that way, like always like you can't function if
your bed's not made. This was before all the research
was coming out. You were on top of it. You
were there. Someone heard a book about it, and I
was like, he is my person. Well, I mean you
should have written a book about it. Well, I didn't
know it was a thing. I just knew it was
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a thing for me. Right well, it was not a
thing for me. I could have cared less about making beds.
And now that I'm a bedmaker because I listened to
research and then I was like, oh man, Christie is
onto something this whole time, Like my day is just
off if I haven't made my bed. And at number
three was meditating. Meditating sounds amazing to me, and I'm
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sure it is most people that can do that. You know,
they say the benefits are just amazing. But I personally
have never been able to meditate. How about you? I
have sometimes, but I feel like my mind does wander,
but like you've really sat down and been like I'm
about to meditate. It's more like breathing, like deep breaths.
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And sometimes you know how I have all those essential
oils because I never anceled my subscription continue to get them.
If you put a little essential oil in your hand
and you you breathe in like you cup it over
your hand, and you just try to do five deep
breaths and then center yourself. And sometimes I do this also,
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like in the shower, I'll just stand there. I don't
know five deep breaths does that count? I don't know
if breathing counts is meditating. I think that's called breath work,
but I don't know. I'm with you, like my mind
just races too much. But it is an art and
it does take practice. You can't just be like, oh,
I'm going to meditate today. So anyway, I still have
that on my list of things to maybe try out.
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Um in At Number two is drink water. That's the
first thing I do when I get out of bed.
I go straight to the sink and I make my water,
and I chug sixteen ounces right away. And then I'll
go make my bed. I chug sixteen ounces of coffee,
and then I might have some water. Shoot, I need
to hydrate better. Yeah, Christine, are going to try to
(08:00):
hold each other accountable for drinking more water. And then
and at number one was writing down something that you're
grateful for. And I would say, you know, we have
our four things gratitude journals. And I'll go through times
where I'm like doing it all the time, but I
do it at night, but morning time is a great time.
That's just because I'm shorter on time in the morning.
But I could see we're taking some time to even
just recognize. Maybe you don't have time to sit down
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and write in a book, but even writing down one thing,
or just while you're getting ready, saying out loud things
that you're thankful for. I don't know, do you have
a gratitude practice. I don't have this chalkboard behind me
that says thankful, but no I do. I mean, I
probably just mentally think of it, but I'm not in
a journaling habit, but I have done that before. But
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I do think choosing to be grateful for something sets
a tone for your day. Do you want to tell
people about our treadmill plan? Well, the other day you
were asking me why because I was really gunn how
I was going to go on these walks, and then
all of a sudden, now mornings are pretty cold and
it's like ten degrees, so I that they're walking as much.
And you're like, well, what about your treadmill? And I'm like,
it's in the barn, and you said, why don't you
(09:05):
go out there? And I was like, the barn's cold,
like everything's cold. But you know what, I've realized that's
a little bit of victim mentality. So I'm just gonna
have to overcome that and either get out on my
walks and bundle up or get out in my barn
and get on that treadmill. Yeah, and people will understand
victim mentality when we get to the thing where we
talk about the book, because now now that I'm listening
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to the book, I know exactly what you're talking about.
And yeah, someving the victim there. But our plan is
to give people the details in case they want to
try this out with like a friend or a sibling
or something. We're going to catch up more on FaceTime,
and we're both going to get on our treadmills, and
while we're talking, we can FaceTime and walk and catch up,
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and so we get that time where we get it in.
Because I realized, even as I'm in eating disorder recovery
and disordered patterns recovery, working out was a disordered thing
for me, Like if I didn't work out in a day,
I thought the whole day was off. For Like, I
had this story in my head that like my knees
like physically felt fat. I know that sounds crazy, but
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it was a feeling that I had where my knees
just felt heavy and I don't know why that's where
I felt it. I mean, of course I felt to
other places, but it was something like I felt it
in my knees. I don't know that I've ever said
that allowed to anybody. And I would just need to
have that release and then that feeling would be gone
from my knees, the top part of my knees. Maybe
I need to talk to psychologist about that or what
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was happening. Well, I haven't had that feeling in a
long time. I just had that as a teenager and
through my twenties and probably my thirties, but I scaled
way back on the working out, but still moving my
body is important to me because I know the benefits
for mental health and my heart and wanting to get
my heart rate up. I literally thought I was having
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a heart attack the other day, and that's what spurred
this conversation with my sister of like, I need to
make sure I'm doing some form of cardio. I don't
run anymore. I used to be a big time runner.
I've done triathlons, I've done a marathon. I would go
running all the time, but I realized I don't like
to run, so I'm not going to run. But I
will walk on a treadmill or walk outside if once
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the weather is okay and I can face time with
you and we can do that trying to walk together
because I wish we lived in the same city so
we could go on walks together, but we can't. So
that is our treadmill plan. Anybody wants to join in
on that, Yeah, it's a plan, and you got to
put action to your plan. Okay, well, when when's our
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first walk? Because we haven't done it yet. I don't
know this week. We'll do it in this week. Welcome
to Christie and Amy's book Club, where Christie is going
(11:58):
to share a book and I'm going to share a book,
even though I'm reading both of them. Like as we speak,
I feel like I have a few unfinished books I
need to get back to, but I just get so
excited about new books. And Christie, why don't you you
go first? Because you are like obsessed with this so
much so that you and your husband are fighting over
who gets to read it because you only have one
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copy and you're like taking notes in the margins and
highlighting things. So tell us about it. Yeah, we both
like to read with a pencil, that's what I call it,
but we like to underlying things. Start it right in
the margins. But I downloaded it yesterday also for myself
so I could be listening to it and then I
can go back and read it. That's how good this
book is. But it is um Donald Miller who has
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a podcast we listened to. We've read a lot of
his books, and he really why we started listening to
him was his whole concept of just this idea of
story and bringing more story into your business, but not
only into your business model, but into your personal life,
like how do you live a good story? So he
has a new book that we had pre order. I
don't know when, but it showed up a few days ago,
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and I was so excited, and honestly was perfect time
because we're going through some hard stuff. In the book
just really helps you reframe your perspective on how you
want to view circumstances you go through. So the book
is called Hero on a Mission, and I'm only on
like chapter two or three, but I know enough of
his work. I know it's where it's going, but I
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know it's going to teach me so much more than
I've already learned from him. So the idea is that
our life is a story, and in every good story
you will notice different types of characters, and so one
type of character, and this wouldn't necessarily be in a
good story, but the first type of character is a victim,
and the victim faces challenges but constantly just kind of
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wallows in woe is me. I'm always going to face
these challenges. They never necessarily rise up and grow and
overcome the challenges. They just accept them. They may be
blame people for it repetitively, and just no growth happens.
It's so there's that's that mindset of kind of victim mentality,
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like this is going to happen to me no matter
what I do. I have no control, And they don't
really ever live a good story because there's no change.
Then there's the villain, and the villain is also a victim,
has also been through hard things, but yet they are
carrying so much shame over these hard things that and
they also do not grow, but they inflict pain on
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other people or they belittle them, criticize them repetitively to
a point where if they bash someone else enough or
hurt someone else enough, they will in turn feel bigger
as they make other people feel small. But also with them,
there's no growth, there's no change, there's no meaningfulness brought
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to their pain. And so they also do not live
a good life. It's a sad life. Then there's the hero.
The hero of a story is also someone who has
been through hard things. They have faced pain we all
do in life, but somehow they have found some type
of redemption in the process. And they have chosen to
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look at their pain as an opportunity to grow and
to learn and to become a better version of themselves.
And they are, in some way, shape or form in
the story transformed by this pain into something that's inspiring.
And then the next character in a good story would
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be a guide. And the guide is someone who has
also gone through hard things. That's what all of these
characters have in common. The guide has gone through hard things,
overcome them, and been the hero of their own story.
And now they're looking back and guiding others into their
own heroic transformations through life. And so basically, victims and
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villains are not able to live a meaningful life, and
heroes and guides if you choose that mentality, and it
is a choice. He keeps reiterating how we are the
authors of our stories, and if we just leave it
to fate, then that means that takes the control out
of our hands. So if we decide no, wait, I'm
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the author of the story. I can take this pain
and I can use it to catapult me into something better,
and then I can turn around and help the person
behind me who's going through something similar. You know, it's
kind of that repetition of being a hero guide. Hero guide.
It's not that you don't face victim situations or villain moments,
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but it's that you don't stay in those moments. It's
that you constantly are aware of the opportunity to transform
through your pain and to live a good story. We're
all going to be each character in our story at
some point, but where do we stay stuck? The example
that he gave as a guide to a hero would be, Hey,
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Mitch and Catanius, if y'all are Hunger Games people. If not,
that's another book recommendation. And the um, yeah, Christie was
part of our Hunger Games reenactment and she played Effie
treat it and she had the long nails and pink
outfit and pink hair and everything and it was amazing.
And then like a villain would obviously be like the Joker.
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I don't even know if you and I were just
talking about that or he gave that example. Well, I
think the villain and Hunger Games would be like the
President's No or the GameMaker or I mean, there was
several villains, but it was people who were just taking
out all their anger and vengeance on other people and
not wanting good for them, and honestly, what's the word,
they were like almost enjoying watching other people being be
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in pain because it made them feel in control and big.
That whole spiel she just gave here, she gave to
me on the phone the other night, and I was
fascinated by it. And of course, you know, we're all
trying to live out our story and knowing that we
you have control, and knowing that, you know, there's even
times where I've been the villain, or I might be
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the villain in the future, but then there's redemption and
there's hope, and that's what I love that all those
characters give you that you don't have to stay stuck.
If you want to remain the villain, I guess you can,
but it's not going to be as meaningful as or
as purposeful, or be as fulfilling or if you want
to remain the victim, which I could see how that
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could be really easy. And I know there's times where
I've been stuck in victim mentality for sure, um or
in certain relationships. There's different roles that people can take
on and it becomes a pattern and then it's not healthy.
But being self aware or having the self awareness and
having talented people such as Donald Miller that can paint
it in a way that is digestible and we can
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really understand. Yeah, these different characters and thinking of it
as like this big story and like comparing it to movies.
I'm excited to hear the rest of the book. If you,
just like Pretender, watching a movie, would you rather see
you just sit there and wallow and blame or would
you rather see you go out and just punish and
get vengeance on people? Or would you rather see the
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character take the pain and grow into something amazing and
let it all be somehow used for good. I mean,
obviously people want to be the hero. Maybe it could
be a pre programmed way of thinking we have and
just kind of recognizing, wow, maybe I could look at
this differently. I want to say one last thing about
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hero on a mission. So in the book, he's not
just being like, oh, here I am this hero writing
you this book. Here's some real examples of a time
that I was a real villain. And well, so far
that's where I've gotten. But you can tell that he's
willing to share, probably things that he's not proud of,
but he's sharing it with you to know that again
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you're you're not alone, and there's hope for transformation because
he's proof. Yeah, And no hero or guide can ever
be either one without having gone through really hard, difficult stuff.
So it's all part of all of our stories and
it's all part of Every good movie has some type
of major conflict and someone rises up because of it
every good movie. So be the main character of your
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movie rise up. Okay, So the book that I am
actually reading, like when I'm going to bed, is Katie
Kurik's book Going There, And I've enjoyed learning more about
her story and how she even came to be on
the Today Show. And I'm about halfway through, so I've
followed her journey from childhood to wanting to get into
journalism college and then the little news market she was
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working in. And one thing that I've appreciated her sharing
is how many times she was able to like do
a live cut or do something that would obviously be
good for her and she but she would share that
she was nervous and she didn't know if she's gonna
be able to do it, and then she would do
it and it would go horribly wrong, and someone high
up in the news station would be like, who is
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this girl? She should never be on TV again. And
I'm kind of paraphrasing all of that there, but that
she just kept trucking along and she wasn't going to
let that stop her, and she would do the things
she needed to do to show up. I mean, I
feel like after some of those cases, there might be
some people are like, you know what, Okay, I can't
do live news. This is something I will thought I wanted,
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but I don't want this anymore because they could feel,
you know, defeated or hurt or something. But she kept on,
especially in a time where for women rising up in
that role wasn't particularly easy and men were predominantly like
the hosts of shows like that. And I've made it
to where she's now a co host on the Today
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Show because Brian Gumbel wrote into his contract when she
joined the show that he must remain the host and
she is the co host. I was like, uh, but
she she did say that in the meeting where they
were offering her the job. She was like, all right, well,
I'm telling you I want fifty fifty on all the
big interviews and they were like, um, how about we
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settle on Fort. So she's like, you know what, I
made my point, I'll take and she did, and she
ended up getting some really big interviews. But what she
was trying to avoid was Bryan Gumble doing you know,
all the presidential candidates and even the sitting president or
other big news stories and her doing cooking segments right
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and more of like the fluff. So I just thought
that was some good encouragement there. I would say all
of her stories seems like she was on the heroes
journey she which is the journey where you don't give
up and you keep going and you do hard things
and you don't let other people keep you from pursuing
your dream. You just keep going. Yeah. She talks to
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about how her first husband was so supportive of her
career and I haven't gotten to the point where he
has passed away yet, but he died of cancer, and
she's alluding to that in this last chapter where I
just read she had gone through something hard, and she
was like, little did I know. I didn't even know
what hard was yet because she hadn't even faced losing
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her husband. So it's a really great book so far.
I definitely recommend it. It's been encouraging to me. And
I'm just gonna say, one night after reading it, I
did fall asleep and I had this dream or this
vision or I don't know what it was, of like
being in New York on TV somehow, and I'm like,
I don't know, that's never been a dream of mine,
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other than like maybe going on to like do a
segment with Robin Roberts or something like that would be
so fun. So I don't know if this is me
just manifesting that here, but reading about Katie growing up
in Virginia and then being in all these small markets
in Florida and then going up to d C and
then making her way to New York to the Today
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Show just by keeping at it and doing her job
and not giving up and then getting noticed, it's like, oh, well,
I don't know. I've always wanted to live in New York,
but I've just always had people tell me, oh, that's crazy,
Oh you'd hate it. Oh new York. They just say
all these yeah, you think you would like it, and
then when you get there, you wouldn't. And I'm like, no,
no, no no, I really think I would. And I'm not
saying I'm going to move there or anything. But I
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don't know why I've I would shut myself down. I
guess my point in sharing this is my brain automatically
shuts me down. What if that is a revelation I
have it forty years old that that's a dream I
want to chase, but I didn't know it was a
dream till forty But what I want to give people
permission to that, And I'm speaking to myself in this moment.
I need to give my own self permission to have
new dreams. It's okay. I'm not saying that when I
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laid my head down and had that vision dream thing,
that that was really something I want or want to pursue,
but the fact that my brain was already shutting me down,
like maybe to protect me from it, because like, oh,
you're too you're old, or you this has been your
job and you weren't even supposed to be in radio.
Why in the world would you go be on, you know,
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a morning news show like that. And I don't know,
I mean, just one segment with Robin Roberts. We'll see
what happens, or maybe we go on and we talk
about a squad Haiti or four Things or Christie's Coffee
or Christie you know what you might get to go
on the Today Show or something. When you talk about
your TV show building roots, I don't know, like because
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I don't have a dream of doing that. Like it
gives me hives. It makes me so nervous thinking of
being put on the spot, you know, in some type
of live situation. But I think you reading when someone
has accomplished big things and you really only know them
in their top platform that they've held. Like Katie Kirk.
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You know, I only know her on the Today Show,
That's all I remember her being. But I think when
you read about her story and her journey to there,
which I have not yet but you are, there's something
encouraging you draw from that because you realize it wasn't
an easy road. There were lots of bumps. There were
lots of times she could have quit, maybe was told
she was terrible, but she kept going and that's what
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made her life a beautiful story. And how has transformed
a lot of the pain she's gone through which I
only know of regarding her husband, and how that her
husband who passed away, and how that has made her
huge advocate for kids are awareness and things. So you know,
she's transformed that pain into good and that is what
people who live a good story do. Maybe Katie's my guy.
(26:19):
She could be your guide. She could be in igniting
a new new passions and dreams. And whether it's those
or not, or other ones, You're not done. None of
us are. Our story is always evolving. So I'm forty
five filming a TV show for HDTV, which is not
where I ever in a million years pictured myself, and
(26:41):
it's scary and a lot of parts of it have
been unfamiliar, and I felt like a failure in an
impostor and like terrible at it. But I just keep
showing up and keep learning and we'll see where it goes. Okay, Christie,
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do your kids have anything where they say to you
and you feel like if they're speaking another language, like
you don't know the lingo? Or are you pretty up
to speed? Because I'm just going to give you a
quiz and then you can tell me. One of the
things I guess I've heard recently is it's that's a
nice fit. That is your outfit you're wearing. Yes, Okay,
so Parents Magazine, they're helping us make sense. So we
(27:28):
got fit out of the way. Um, what about drip?
Drip is like jewelry. Now, it's like style, especially cool
and fashionable. Well, the example is that kid has some
serious drip. I would know what that meant in general.
What about pog p o G? Is that as short
(27:48):
for p o G point of grievance? I don't know. Well,
is it short for something? Uh? Now, the definition is cool, epic, amazing,
And an example would be that game this pog? Never
heard it? I don't know. Try it out on your kids,
see what happens. Okay, no cap? Lying, How did you
(28:08):
know that? Because of how it's used, like, use it
in a sentence, I got an a no cap. Yeah,
that's how I have heard it used by my kids. Yes,
my eleven year old son says no cap to me
as well. I did not google any of this prior. Okay,
she's she's I say that. I know. But see, it's
(28:30):
something that's been a term for a long time, but
in the modern slang, it's an expression for being excited
or amazed by something like she's my bestie just made
the game winning shot. Yeah, I mean I would say
that like she sho, No, I say it like more
like oh she'sh like like that's tiring, or like oh yeah,
(28:52):
like she's that was a hard day, right. I don't
think you go she's nice shot. I feel like at
a basketball am I probably have like she that was close,
you know, But it's not negative. It means amazed, awesome.
What about vibe check? Vibe check like how do I look?
(29:16):
How do I feel? To assess someone or something's energy
or personality? And an example would be the comments section
passes the vibe check? Yeah, okay. What about hits different?
It hits different when something is surprising or unique in
a good way. The new season of Euphoria hits different,
which I have never seen Euphoria, but I know like
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a lot of people watch it. I would say, yeah,
HiT's different, kind of catches you off guard in a
good way. I just need you to start using these
to your kids. I am writing them down, trust me.
Slaps it's funny describe something excellent or amazing, often used
with music like this song. Slaps areas sure. I have
(29:59):
heard that one. Yeah. I think Walker Hayes posted something
about that the other day on Instagram, and he's like
the song slaps, and I'm like, okay, yeah, he's definitely
a cool dad, probably knows all the slang lives rent free. Well,
that's the kids in general. When kids are saying that,
the definition is referring to something that you can't stop
(30:20):
thinking about. So an example would be our fight has
lived rent free in my head for days. I like
that one. I got a lot of stuff in my
head that lives rent free, all of them. That's your
guide to understanding teen slanks. So this afternoon when the
kids get home from school, you could just be like, dang,
I had a pog day, no cap. I think that
(30:42):
would mean like you had an awesome day? No lie? Yeah?
Or the vibe check in this house today is slaps.
It's different, you know. I was thinking the other day
too about how our kids they will never understand life
for us, like all the technology and different things that
they have, and like even just looking up movie times,
(31:02):
like how now you can just kind of like Google
or like have an app. Do you remember how we
used to have to call the movie theater and listen
to a recorded version to get the times, and if
you missed it, you had to listen to everything back
over again, or you had to find it in the
newspaper and they would lift this showtimes. Now you're really aging. Yeah,
(31:23):
or once we were able to get a computer, or
we had a computer, but mom used it for like
spreadsheets or different things like not the internet. But then
once we got the internet, it would kick you off
the phone. I was trying to explain that, just to
share him, like if yeah, like it would be like
and then the phone would be busy, and then it
would be like who just got on the internet and
(31:45):
you I just remember there being like yelling of you know,
call waiting, like a fax machine, just different things that
my kids have no clue about. Yeah, do you remember
Star sixty nine? Yeah, that would call people back right
you couldn't know who it was, but then you could
start sixty nine and hear them pick up. Yeah, because
I was before caller I d But can you still
(32:06):
do call sixty nine on like a cell phone? I
don't know. Probably not. My boys would be like sixty dad,
because they're teenagers. Oh no, the forty year old men
that I work with, anytime like that number comes up,
they're all like nice, I know, that's like I hold
dinner conversation lately, Okay, sitting here with my friend Joe again.
(32:37):
Now you may remember Joe was on with Christine Pride.
That was like a couple of months ago, well, the
end of last year, the end they wrote a book,
We Are Not Like Them. So she's back on this
time and she's a journalist and author, podcast host, all
the things. And you have something super fun that you're
now hosting called the pod Club. And I just see
(33:01):
it as like you're the kind of the go to
BFF where we can listen to you and then find
out what in the world were supposed to be listening
to because there's so much out there too well listen to.
There's so much out there to listen to. And I
actually love that description of it because we want it
to be a very accessible, fun show, easily digestible that
you go to the next time you pick up your
(33:22):
fund and you're like, I don't know what the heck
to listen to, Like I have my go to podcasts, right,
but I think it's really hard to find new podcasts.
There's so many, so many out there. There's like there's
not a ton of places for podcast reviews, and most
of its word of mouth, So we essentially listen to
allan There's and again, so many podcasts out there, but
(33:43):
we essentially listen to all of them to tell you
which ones are good and which ones are worth listening to,
because life is just too short to be listening to
bad podcasts, and we all need I need like a
cool best friend to tell me what to listen to.
So every week I have different podcast hosts and friends
that work in this industry come on and tell us
(34:05):
what they're listening to. By the way, we need you
to come on the pod club and give us your
recommendations to Oh, I would love to. My last girl
and I were recently talking about this because if you
get lashes done, you sit there for an hour. And
I'm friends with my person. I've been going to for
five years and she's become a good friend, so I
(34:26):
want to sit there and talk the whole time. But
apparently that doesn't help her with her job. She needs
me to be still in my eyelids to be still.
So we listen to podcasts every time I'm in and
we run into this problem of what in the world
do we listen to next? And I mean, and she's
got clients all day long. I feel like someone like her.
(34:47):
She's listening to podcasts all day with different clients, and
so this would be a good resource for someone like her.
But it just she popped into my head because we
were just having this conversation. I was laying down on
the table and she was like, so, do we want
something self help today or a murder mystery? Basically, it's
either like somebody killed somebody or we're figuring out how
to make our lives better. That's what we love. Yes,
(35:09):
I mean, well, let's be honest, that is the majority
of most podcasts. It's they're like somebody somebody has murdered,
usually a woman sadly, or or a woman needs help
with something in her life. So that's just that's those
are the categories the podcast totally. And so who are
some of the guests? Well, thank you? First of all,
I'd be happy to come on and do whatever. But
(35:29):
who are some of your guests that are coming on
or who can we look forward to? Oh yeah, So
for one of our first episodes, we had Malcolm Gladwell,
come on. I love his podcasts because I feel like
I walk away smarter, right, I'm like, oh, I totally
just learned something and I like, I think that's the
(35:51):
other category of podcasts, right, It's like you walk away
feeling smarter or funny or like the coolest guest at
our wedding. And so his podcast is revisionist history. It's
a lot of fun. It takes something that we think
that we know a lot about and kind of flips
it on its head and digs a little bit deeper.
I'm glad you say that too, because I do want
to check out his podcast. I had both the physical
(36:12):
copy of Talking to Strangers and then the audio version
because I was reading it, but then my friend told me, hey,
heads up, Like the audio version is really cool because
he inserts like actual news clips from the stories that
he's talking about, and when I was researching more about
it to the audio version of that book is built
(36:34):
very similarly to how he operates his podcast. Yes, yes, exactly.
And so he has his own podcast company where he's
just doing awesome things with how to like change audio
books into podcasts and then podcast in audio books, and
there's a lot of overlap. So everything that he makes
is awesome. His podcast company is called Pushkin. They have
(36:57):
another great podcast if you want, you know, a podcast
about how do I make myself a little bit better
today called the Happiness Lab with Laurie Santos, which is
just dissects everything that could possibly make us happy and
says whether or not it works or not, which is awesome.
I think that your last girl will totally love that one.
When do you listen to podcasts? Most like, where do
(37:18):
you work it into your day? So I have like
three different times that I do podcasts in my day.
I know, the first thing in the morning, I'm just
gonna putter, like at my computer. When I first sit down,
I'm like, oh, I'm going to check my email or
like you know, do my to do list. So I
do it for that half an hour where I'm just
kind of messing around, catching up on on the day,
the day before and what I have to do next.
(37:38):
And then I do it every time I'm walking anywhere,
I que up a podcast, like when I go drop
my kids off at school or pick them up. I
listen in the shower. And then I also listen when
I'm working out. I live in a city, so I
don't drive that often, so I really have to bake
it into my day. And if I know that I'm
listening to a podcast that is family friendly, and not
all of the ones I listened to are. To be honest,
(38:00):
not all the podcasts I make are always family friendly.
But if I am, then I'll listen while I'm playing
with my kids in the afternoon, So I'll put one
on in the background while I'm like, Mommy will totally
do this hundred piece puzzle with you, And then like,
secretly your brain is trying to be and the secretly
my brain is trying to be entertained, because no one
wants to build that hundred piece puzzle with your four years.
You just don't know. Yes, I've been there with some
(38:22):
of those days from like Okay, I'm just gonna put
this on into background and then do you ever listen
to podcasts on you know, time and a half or
do you speed anybody up? I can't do it. I've tried,
and I know that it's such a more efficient way
to get more podcasts in your life, but it sounds
like Alvin and the Chipmunks to me. It sounds too fast.
It freaks me out, So I think it actually takes
(38:42):
away from my enjoyment of a podcast. What freaks me
out is I get used to doing that because again, yes,
I'm trying to consume. I just figured two. With you
hosting this podcast, there's probably a certain amount of pressure
to'll be like, I gotta listen to this, this, this,
and this totally because when you listen to that way
for so long and then you go back to a
regular and you're like, why are they talking so slow?
(39:03):
I know exactly, You're like, oh, wow, the whole world
is on valum now because you're so used to them
essentially being on like three cups of coffee and go, go, go,
go go. Yeah, my friend listens to the Bobby Bones
Show that way because she'll she doesn't listen to the
show live, she listens to the podcast version of it, right, Yeah,
she listens to us on time and a half or
whatever speed she ends up going to. And I think
(39:25):
she has like a special app she even has to
do that through because I don't know if that's an
option everywhere. But and then she's like, yeah, I'm just
so used to all talking so fast, and then when
she talks to us normally, we're not talking very fast
like that. Yeah. So no, I really did try, but no,
I couldn't do it. I couldn't do it. I wish
I could. Well, just a pro tip for people out there,
if you are trying to get through content, and maybe
(39:46):
you do have kids and you can't always be listening
to things, if you listen to it faster, you can
at least try to get it in. Okay, Well, Joe,
thank you so much for coming on, and again you'll
check out the pod Club and we'll talk to you soon.
Great by me, Thanks bye,
Okay, little food for you. So life, Oh it's pretty Bay,
It's pretty beautiful than that. A little moth kicking with
(00:30):
four Happy Thursday. Welcome to four Things. Amy here, and
I've got my sister Christie here on zoom. We've started
the podcast over like three times now because I have
a headache and I've been rambling, and now Christie staring
at me, like, what is wrong with you? You can
have focus, people idea, have focus at all. So I'm
(00:51):
in Nashville. My sister is in Pagosa Springs, Colorado, and
she's joining me for the first three things, which Christie,
I want to get into morning habits at that doctors
and psychologists wish we would do because we all be
better off if we start doing these things. I want
to know if you do any of them. And then
for the second thing, my sister is extremely passionate about
(01:11):
a new book that she's reading, and I got to
say she's not wrong. It's amazing. I've already downloaded it
and I have a completely different book that I'm reading
at night, So we want to do like a little
mini book club, but with y'all for that thing. And
then Christie, I know that your mama four and multiple
teenagers always at your house all the time, especially with
your boys. And I have a fourteen year old daughter.
(01:33):
But I'm gonna do a little teen slang quiz with you,
and it's like a parents guide to understanding how the
young kids talk these days, because I think it's important
to stay in the note. And then for the fourth thing,
my friend Joe will be on UM talking about her
new podcast, which I think is a cool one that
you're going to want to check out, especially if you're
ever looking for new podcasts to listen to. But if
(01:54):
you are listening to this one right now, it's not
lost on me because there's so many podcasts, so much
content out there. So thank you for being here. And Christie,
I'll give a little backstory about you for people that
haven't heard you on the podcast before, even though you've
been a guest before. But she's been my sister for
forty plus years. A lot of people think we look
a lot alike, but personality wise we're very different. I
(02:16):
would say probably growing up you were more considered like
the angel, the soft spoken, Oh Christie could do no wrong. Meanwhile,
she was sneaking out at night to meet boys she
just didn't get caught until one day she opened the
window and was going to sneak out and then fell
asleep on the bed with all of her clothes on,
and she did get caught. And so I just got
(02:36):
caught more than you did, like you were sneaky about it.
But she's also not someone that likes to be in
the public spotlight. Now she'll join me for the podcast
because that's been comfortable. But I say all this because
it's kind of crazy that my sister is now filming
a TV show for HDTV with her husband Ben, because
they have a design build firm and they have beautiful
(02:57):
projects that they've worked on, and I'm so excited I
did for the show to premiere this year. I can't
believe it's premiering April twenty two. Is that the date?
I think it's the tenth, But I mean that all
can change. It's on a Sunday night. This is all
what we've been told. But also everything is always very fluid,
so nothing is that things change. But they are filming
(03:19):
a show and they run a cute little coffee shop
called root House and Pagosa Springs, Colorado, which so many
of you listening have gone by to get coffee if
you're in the area and picked up maybe even a
four things to while you're there, or some base Camp coffee,
because that's my favorite root House flavor. Is it called
flavor or blend or what? Yeah, blend roast, it's my
(03:39):
favorite roast. And then I saw that Mary had actually
posted that your Choose joyspoons are now back in stock too.
Oh yeah, we re stopped them. We sold out quickly
over Christmas and then I had to quick order some
more back in first. So honored to have my very
talent as sister here to talk about morning habits and
(04:04):
what does your morning look like and what's something you
do every day no matter what. This is mainly on
school mornings, but on regular mornings to My husband will
get up first, the alarm goes off, He gets up,
goes and turns on the boiling water for the fridge press.
Then as the water is boiling, he comes back in.
We make the bed and we kind of do it
in this synchronized way, and we time ourselves and we
(04:24):
can make the bed in like less than forty five seconds.
It's pretty impressive. Fun game. So this is what you
look forward to after twenty years of marriage. I don't know,
but he's pretty into the timing it also, so it's
not just me. So we make the bed and then
by that time the coffee has gone off, the fire
has gotten started, the French press is about ready, and
(04:46):
we sit by the fire until it's time to get
the kids up. So it depends how early we get up,
how much time we have by the fire, and we're
reading or talking or something for at least a small
period of time before the kids get up. Then they
get up and and it's all to them until they're
out the door. I know, having kids in the house
and like trying to have a morning routine, Like I
I see these people that have these elaborate morning routines
(05:08):
and I don't get it. But I've always had to
leave super early for work. But even if I was
home the whole time, or if I've had days where
I'm off of work and I am actually there, I'm
like not killing it in this far at all. But
baking your bed does make the top five things that
we should be doing every morning, and no pressure by this,
and by should, I mean like loosely, if you can
(05:29):
incorporate this in your life, but like, no shame if
you can't at all. Psychologists and doctors apparently wish we
would adopt these habits and it. Number five was getting
some natural light, but I wake up before there is light.
Some days I don't see light until the Bobby Bones
shows over and I go out to my car and
I'm like in a Number four was making bed which
I would feel like you were an inspiration to me
(05:51):
when it comes to being a bedmaker, because you've always
been that way, like always like you can't function if
your bed's not made. This was before all the research
was coming out. You were on top of it. You
were there. Someone heard a book about it, and I
was like, he is my person. Well, I mean you
should have written a book about it. Well, I didn't
know it was a thing. I just knew it was
(06:11):
a thing for me. Right well, it was not a
thing for me. I could have cared less about making beds.
And now that I'm a bedmaker because I listened to
research and then I was like, oh man, Christie is
onto something this whole time, Like my day is just
off if I haven't made my bed. And at number
three was meditating. Meditating sounds amazing to me, and I'm
(06:32):
sure it is most people that can do that. You know,
they say the benefits are just amazing. But I personally
have never been able to meditate. How about you? I
have sometimes, but I feel like my mind does wander,
but like you've really sat down and been like I'm
about to meditate. It's more like breathing, like deep breaths.
(06:55):
And sometimes you know how I have all those essential
oils because I never anceled my subscription continue to get them.
If you put a little essential oil in your hand
and you you breathe in like you cup it over
your hand, and you just try to do five deep
breaths and then center yourself. And sometimes I do this also,
(07:18):
like in the shower, I'll just stand there. I don't
know five deep breaths does that count? I don't know
if breathing counts is meditating. I think that's called breath work,
but I don't know. I'm with you, like my mind
just races too much. But it is an art and
it does take practice. You can't just be like, oh,
I'm going to meditate today. So anyway, I still have
that on my list of things to maybe try out.
(07:40):
Um in At Number two is drink water. That's the
first thing I do when I get out of bed.
I go straight to the sink and I make my water,
and I chug sixteen ounces right away. And then I'll
go make my bed. I chug sixteen ounces of coffee,
and then I might have some water. Shoot, I need
to hydrate better. Yeah, Christine, are going to try to
(08:00):
hold each other accountable for drinking more water. And then
and at number one was writing down something that you're
grateful for. And I would say, you know, we have
our four things gratitude journals. And I'll go through times
where I'm like doing it all the time, but I
do it at night, but morning time is a great time.
That's just because I'm shorter on time in the morning.
But I could see we're taking some time to even
just recognize. Maybe you don't have time to sit down
(08:22):
and write in a book, but even writing down one thing,
or just while you're getting ready, saying out loud things
that you're thankful for. I don't know, do you have
a gratitude practice. I don't have this chalkboard behind me
that says thankful, but no I do. I mean, I
probably just mentally think of it, but I'm not in
a journaling habit, but I have done that before. But
(08:43):
I do think choosing to be grateful for something sets
a tone for your day. Do you want to tell
people about our treadmill plan? Well, the other day you
were asking me why because I was really gunn how
I was going to go on these walks, and then
all of a sudden, now mornings are pretty cold and
it's like ten degrees, so I that they're walking as much.
And you're like, well, what about your treadmill? And I'm like,
it's in the barn, and you said, why don't you
(09:05):
go out there? And I was like, the barn's cold,
like everything's cold. But you know what, I've realized that's
a little bit of victim mentality. So I'm just gonna
have to overcome that and either get out on my
walks and bundle up or get out in my barn
and get on that treadmill. Yeah, and people will understand
victim mentality when we get to the thing where we
talk about the book, because now now that I'm listening
(09:26):
to the book, I know exactly what you're talking about.
And yeah, someving the victim there. But our plan is
to give people the details in case they want to
try this out with like a friend or a sibling
or something. We're going to catch up more on FaceTime,
and we're both going to get on our treadmills, and
while we're talking, we can FaceTime and walk and catch up,
(09:47):
and so we get that time where we get it in.
Because I realized, even as I'm in eating disorder recovery
and disordered patterns recovery, working out was a disordered thing
for me, Like if I didn't work out in a day,
I thought the whole day was off. For Like, I
had this story in my head that like my knees
like physically felt fat. I know that sounds crazy, but
(10:08):
it was a feeling that I had where my knees
just felt heavy and I don't know why that's where
I felt it. I mean, of course I felt to
other places, but it was something like I felt it
in my knees. I don't know that I've ever said
that allowed to anybody. And I would just need to
have that release and then that feeling would be gone
from my knees, the top part of my knees. Maybe
I need to talk to psychologist about that or what
(10:32):
was happening. Well, I haven't had that feeling in a
long time. I just had that as a teenager and
through my twenties and probably my thirties, but I scaled
way back on the working out, but still moving my
body is important to me because I know the benefits
for mental health and my heart and wanting to get
my heart rate up. I literally thought I was having
(10:53):
a heart attack the other day, and that's what spurred
this conversation with my sister of like, I need to
make sure I'm doing some form of cardio. I don't
run anymore. I used to be a big time runner.
I've done triathlons, I've done a marathon. I would go
running all the time, but I realized I don't like
to run, so I'm not going to run. But I
will walk on a treadmill or walk outside if once
(11:17):
the weather is okay and I can face time with
you and we can do that trying to walk together
because I wish we lived in the same city so
we could go on walks together, but we can't. So
that is our treadmill plan. Anybody wants to join in
on that, Yeah, it's a plan, and you got to
put action to your plan. Okay, well, when when's our
(11:38):
first walk? Because we haven't done it yet. I don't
know this week. We'll do it in this week. Welcome
to Christie and Amy's book Club, where Christie is going
(11:58):
to share a book and I'm going to share a book,
even though I'm reading both of them. Like as we speak,
I feel like I have a few unfinished books I
need to get back to, but I just get so
excited about new books. And Christie, why don't you you
go first? Because you are like obsessed with this so
much so that you and your husband are fighting over
who gets to read it because you only have one
(12:19):
copy and you're like taking notes in the margins and
highlighting things. So tell us about it. Yeah, we both
like to read with a pencil, that's what I call it,
but we like to underlying things. Start it right in
the margins. But I downloaded it yesterday also for myself
so I could be listening to it and then I
can go back and read it. That's how good this
book is. But it is um Donald Miller who has
(12:40):
a podcast we listened to. We've read a lot of
his books, and he really why we started listening to
him was his whole concept of just this idea of
story and bringing more story into your business, but not
only into your business model, but into your personal life,
like how do you live a good story? So he
has a new book that we had pre order. I
don't know when, but it showed up a few days ago,
(13:03):
and I was so excited, and honestly was perfect time
because we're going through some hard stuff. In the book
just really helps you reframe your perspective on how you
want to view circumstances you go through. So the book
is called Hero on a Mission, and I'm only on
like chapter two or three, but I know enough of
his work. I know it's where it's going, but I
(13:24):
know it's going to teach me so much more than
I've already learned from him. So the idea is that
our life is a story, and in every good story
you will notice different types of characters, and so one
type of character, and this wouldn't necessarily be in a
good story, but the first type of character is a victim,
and the victim faces challenges but constantly just kind of
(13:46):
wallows in woe is me. I'm always going to face
these challenges. They never necessarily rise up and grow and
overcome the challenges. They just accept them. They may be
blame people for it repetitively, and just no growth happens.
It's so there's that's that mindset of kind of victim mentality,
(14:07):
like this is going to happen to me no matter
what I do. I have no control, And they don't
really ever live a good story because there's no change.
Then there's the villain, and the villain is also a victim,
has also been through hard things, but yet they are
carrying so much shame over these hard things that and
they also do not grow, but they inflict pain on
(14:29):
other people or they belittle them, criticize them repetitively to
a point where if they bash someone else enough or
hurt someone else enough, they will in turn feel bigger
as they make other people feel small. But also with them,
there's no growth, there's no change, there's no meaningfulness brought
(14:50):
to their pain. And so they also do not live
a good life. It's a sad life. Then there's the hero.
The hero of a story is also someone who has
been through hard things. They have faced pain we all
do in life, but somehow they have found some type
of redemption in the process. And they have chosen to
(15:12):
look at their pain as an opportunity to grow and
to learn and to become a better version of themselves.
And they are, in some way, shape or form in
the story transformed by this pain into something that's inspiring.
And then the next character in a good story would
(15:35):
be a guide. And the guide is someone who has
also gone through hard things. That's what all of these
characters have in common. The guide has gone through hard things,
overcome them, and been the hero of their own story.
And now they're looking back and guiding others into their
own heroic transformations through life. And so basically, victims and
(15:58):
villains are not able to live a meaningful life, and
heroes and guides if you choose that mentality, and it
is a choice. He keeps reiterating how we are the
authors of our stories, and if we just leave it
to fate, then that means that takes the control out
of our hands. So if we decide no, wait, I'm
(16:18):
the author of the story. I can take this pain
and I can use it to catapult me into something better,
and then I can turn around and help the person
behind me who's going through something similar. You know, it's
kind of that repetition of being a hero guide. Hero guide.
It's not that you don't face victim situations or villain moments,
(16:40):
but it's that you don't stay in those moments. It's
that you constantly are aware of the opportunity to transform
through your pain and to live a good story. We're
all going to be each character in our story at
some point, but where do we stay stuck? The example
that he gave as a guide to a hero would be, Hey,
(17:02):
Mitch and Catanius, if y'all are Hunger Games people. If not,
that's another book recommendation. And the um, yeah, Christie was
part of our Hunger Games reenactment and she played Effie
treat it and she had the long nails and pink
outfit and pink hair and everything and it was amazing.
And then like a villain would obviously be like the Joker.
(17:22):
I don't even know if you and I were just
talking about that or he gave that example. Well, I
think the villain and Hunger Games would be like the
President's No or the GameMaker or I mean, there was
several villains, but it was people who were just taking
out all their anger and vengeance on other people and
not wanting good for them, and honestly, what's the word,
they were like almost enjoying watching other people being be
(17:44):
in pain because it made them feel in control and big.
That whole spiel she just gave here, she gave to
me on the phone the other night, and I was
fascinated by it. And of course, you know, we're all
trying to live out our story and knowing that we
you have control, and knowing that, you know, there's even
times where I've been the villain, or I might be
(18:06):
the villain in the future, but then there's redemption and
there's hope, and that's what I love that all those
characters give you that you don't have to stay stuck.
If you want to remain the villain, I guess you can,
but it's not going to be as meaningful as or
as purposeful, or be as fulfilling or if you want
to remain the victim, which I could see how that
(18:28):
could be really easy. And I know there's times where
I've been stuck in victim mentality for sure, um or
in certain relationships. There's different roles that people can take
on and it becomes a pattern and then it's not healthy.
But being self aware or having the self awareness and
having talented people such as Donald Miller that can paint
it in a way that is digestible and we can
(18:50):
really understand. Yeah, these different characters and thinking of it
as like this big story and like comparing it to movies.
I'm excited to hear the rest of the book. If you,
just like Pretender, watching a movie, would you rather see
you just sit there and wallow and blame or would
you rather see you go out and just punish and
get vengeance on people? Or would you rather see the
(19:12):
character take the pain and grow into something amazing and
let it all be somehow used for good. I mean,
obviously people want to be the hero. Maybe it could
be a pre programmed way of thinking we have and
just kind of recognizing, wow, maybe I could look at
this differently. I want to say one last thing about
(19:33):
hero on a mission. So in the book, he's not
just being like, oh, here I am this hero writing
you this book. Here's some real examples of a time
that I was a real villain. And well, so far
that's where I've gotten. But you can tell that he's
willing to share, probably things that he's not proud of,
but he's sharing it with you to know that again
(19:53):
you're you're not alone, and there's hope for transformation because
he's proof. Yeah, And no hero or guide can ever
be either one without having gone through really hard, difficult stuff.
So it's all part of all of our stories and
it's all part of Every good movie has some type
of major conflict and someone rises up because of it
every good movie. So be the main character of your
(20:17):
movie rise up. Okay, So the book that I am
actually reading, like when I'm going to bed, is Katie
Kurik's book Going There, And I've enjoyed learning more about
her story and how she even came to be on
the Today Show. And I'm about halfway through, so I've
followed her journey from childhood to wanting to get into
journalism college and then the little news market she was
(20:39):
working in. And one thing that I've appreciated her sharing
is how many times she was able to like do
a live cut or do something that would obviously be
good for her and she but she would share that
she was nervous and she didn't know if she's gonna
be able to do it, and then she would do
it and it would go horribly wrong, and someone high
up in the news station would be like, who is
(20:59):
this girl? She should never be on TV again. And
I'm kind of paraphrasing all of that there, but that
she just kept trucking along and she wasn't going to
let that stop her, and she would do the things
she needed to do to show up. I mean, I
feel like after some of those cases, there might be
some people are like, you know what, Okay, I can't
do live news. This is something I will thought I wanted,
(21:20):
but I don't want this anymore because they could feel,
you know, defeated or hurt or something. But she kept on,
especially in a time where for women rising up in
that role wasn't particularly easy and men were predominantly like
the hosts of shows like that. And I've made it
to where she's now a co host on the Today
(21:40):
Show because Brian Gumbel wrote into his contract when she
joined the show that he must remain the host and
she is the co host. I was like, uh, but
she she did say that in the meeting where they
were offering her the job. She was like, all right, well,
I'm telling you I want fifty fifty on all the
big interviews and they were like, um, how about we
(22:02):
settle on Fort. So she's like, you know what, I
made my point, I'll take and she did, and she
ended up getting some really big interviews. But what she
was trying to avoid was Bryan Gumble doing you know,
all the presidential candidates and even the sitting president or
other big news stories and her doing cooking segments right
(22:22):
and more of like the fluff. So I just thought
that was some good encouragement there. I would say all
of her stories seems like she was on the heroes
journey she which is the journey where you don't give
up and you keep going and you do hard things
and you don't let other people keep you from pursuing
your dream. You just keep going. Yeah. She talks to
(22:43):
about how her first husband was so supportive of her
career and I haven't gotten to the point where he
has passed away yet, but he died of cancer, and
she's alluding to that in this last chapter where I
just read she had gone through something hard, and she
was like, little did I know. I didn't even know
what hard was yet because she hadn't even faced losing
(23:05):
her husband. So it's a really great book so far.
I definitely recommend it. It's been encouraging to me. And
I'm just gonna say, one night after reading it, I
did fall asleep and I had this dream or this
vision or I don't know what it was, of like
being in New York on TV somehow, and I'm like,
I don't know, that's never been a dream of mine,
(23:26):
other than like maybe going on to like do a
segment with Robin Roberts or something like that would be
so fun. So I don't know if this is me
just manifesting that here, but reading about Katie growing up
in Virginia and then being in all these small markets
in Florida and then going up to d C and
then making her way to New York to the Today
(23:47):
Show just by keeping at it and doing her job
and not giving up and then getting noticed, it's like, oh, well,
I don't know. I've always wanted to live in New York,
but I've just always had people tell me, oh, that's crazy,
Oh you'd hate it. Oh new York. They just say
all these yeah, you think you would like it, and
then when you get there, you wouldn't. And I'm like, no,
no, no no, I really think I would. And I'm not
saying I'm going to move there or anything. But I
(24:08):
don't know why I've I would shut myself down. I
guess my point in sharing this is my brain automatically
shuts me down. What if that is a revelation I
have it forty years old that that's a dream I
want to chase, but I didn't know it was a
dream till forty But what I want to give people
permission to that, And I'm speaking to myself in this moment.
I need to give my own self permission to have
new dreams. It's okay. I'm not saying that when I
(24:31):
laid my head down and had that vision dream thing,
that that was really something I want or want to pursue,
but the fact that my brain was already shutting me down,
like maybe to protect me from it, because like, oh,
you're too you're old, or you this has been your
job and you weren't even supposed to be in radio.
Why in the world would you go be on, you know,
(24:51):
a morning news show like that. And I don't know,
I mean, just one segment with Robin Roberts. We'll see
what happens, or maybe we go on and we talk
about a squad Haiti or four Things or Christie's Coffee
or Christie you know what you might get to go
on the Today Show or something. When you talk about
your TV show building roots, I don't know, like because
(25:11):
I don't have a dream of doing that. Like it
gives me hives. It makes me so nervous thinking of
being put on the spot, you know, in some type
of live situation. But I think you reading when someone
has accomplished big things and you really only know them
in their top platform that they've held. Like Katie Kirk.
(25:33):
You know, I only know her on the Today Show,
That's all I remember her being. But I think when
you read about her story and her journey to there,
which I have not yet but you are, there's something
encouraging you draw from that because you realize it wasn't
an easy road. There were lots of bumps. There were
lots of times she could have quit, maybe was told
she was terrible, but she kept going and that's what
(25:57):
made her life a beautiful story. And how has transformed
a lot of the pain she's gone through which I
only know of regarding her husband, and how that her
husband who passed away, and how that has made her
huge advocate for kids are awareness and things. So you know,
she's transformed that pain into good and that is what
people who live a good story do. Maybe Katie's my guy.
(26:19):
She could be your guide. She could be in igniting
a new new passions and dreams. And whether it's those
or not, or other ones, You're not done. None of
us are. Our story is always evolving. So I'm forty
five filming a TV show for HDTV, which is not
where I ever in a million years pictured myself, and
(26:41):
it's scary and a lot of parts of it have
been unfamiliar, and I felt like a failure in an
impostor and like terrible at it. But I just keep
showing up and keep learning and we'll see where it goes. Okay, Christie,
(27:06):
do your kids have anything where they say to you
and you feel like if they're speaking another language, like
you don't know the lingo? Or are you pretty up
to speed? Because I'm just going to give you a
quiz and then you can tell me. One of the
things I guess I've heard recently is it's that's a
nice fit. That is your outfit you're wearing. Yes, Okay,
so Parents Magazine, they're helping us make sense. So we
(27:28):
got fit out of the way. Um, what about drip?
Drip is like jewelry. Now, it's like style, especially cool
and fashionable. Well, the example is that kid has some
serious drip. I would know what that meant in general.
What about pog p o G? Is that as short
(27:48):
for p o G point of grievance? I don't know. Well,
is it short for something? Uh? Now, the definition is cool, epic, amazing,
And an example would be that game this pog? Never
heard it? I don't know. Try it out on your kids,
see what happens. Okay, no cap? Lying, How did you
(28:08):
know that? Because of how it's used, like, use it
in a sentence, I got an a no cap. Yeah,
that's how I have heard it used by my kids. Yes,
my eleven year old son says no cap to me
as well. I did not google any of this prior. Okay,
she's she's I say that. I know. But see, it's
(28:30):
something that's been a term for a long time, but
in the modern slang, it's an expression for being excited
or amazed by something like she's my bestie just made
the game winning shot. Yeah, I mean I would say
that like she sho, No, I say it like more
like oh she'sh like like that's tiring, or like oh yeah,
(28:52):
like she's that was a hard day, right. I don't
think you go she's nice shot. I feel like at
a basketball am I probably have like she that was close,
you know, But it's not negative. It means amazed, awesome.
What about vibe check? Vibe check like how do I look?
(29:16):
How do I feel? To assess someone or something's energy
or personality? And an example would be the comments section
passes the vibe check? Yeah, okay. What about hits different?
It hits different when something is surprising or unique in
a good way. The new season of Euphoria hits different,
which I have never seen Euphoria, but I know like
(29:38):
a lot of people watch it. I would say, yeah,
HiT's different, kind of catches you off guard in a
good way. I just need you to start using these
to your kids. I am writing them down, trust me.
Slaps it's funny describe something excellent or amazing, often used
with music like this song. Slaps areas sure. I have
(29:59):
heard that one. Yeah. I think Walker Hayes posted something
about that the other day on Instagram, and he's like
the song slaps, and I'm like, okay, yeah, he's definitely
a cool dad, probably knows all the slang lives rent free. Well,
that's the kids in general. When kids are saying that,
the definition is referring to something that you can't stop
(30:20):
thinking about. So an example would be our fight has
lived rent free in my head for days. I like
that one. I got a lot of stuff in my
head that lives rent free, all of them. That's your
guide to understanding teen slanks. So this afternoon when the
kids get home from school, you could just be like, dang,
I had a pog day, no cap. I think that
(30:42):
would mean like you had an awesome day? No lie? Yeah?
Or the vibe check in this house today is slaps.
It's different, you know. I was thinking the other day
too about how our kids they will never understand life
for us, like all the technology and different things that
they have, and like even just looking up movie times,
(31:02):
like how now you can just kind of like Google
or like have an app. Do you remember how we
used to have to call the movie theater and listen
to a recorded version to get the times, and if
you missed it, you had to listen to everything back
over again, or you had to find it in the
newspaper and they would lift this showtimes. Now you're really aging. Yeah,
(31:23):
or once we were able to get a computer, or
we had a computer, but mom used it for like
spreadsheets or different things like not the internet. But then
once we got the internet, it would kick you off
the phone. I was trying to explain that, just to
share him, like if yeah, like it would be like
and then the phone would be busy, and then it
would be like who just got on the internet and
(31:45):
you I just remember there being like yelling of you know,
call waiting, like a fax machine, just different things that
my kids have no clue about. Yeah, do you remember
Star sixty nine? Yeah, that would call people back right
you couldn't know who it was, but then you could
start sixty nine and hear them pick up. Yeah, because
I was before caller I d But can you still
(32:06):
do call sixty nine on like a cell phone? I
don't know. Probably not. My boys would be like sixty dad,
because they're teenagers. Oh no, the forty year old men
that I work with, anytime like that number comes up,
they're all like nice, I know, that's like I hold
dinner conversation lately, Okay, sitting here with my friend Joe again.
(32:37):
Now you may remember Joe was on with Christine Pride.
That was like a couple of months ago, well, the
end of last year, the end they wrote a book,
We Are Not Like Them. So she's back on this
time and she's a journalist and author, podcast host, all
the things. And you have something super fun that you're
now hosting called the pod Club. And I just see
(33:01):
it as like you're the kind of the go to
BFF where we can listen to you and then find
out what in the world were supposed to be listening
to because there's so much out there too well listen to.
There's so much out there to listen to. And I
actually love that description of it because we want it
to be a very accessible, fun show, easily digestible that
you go to the next time you pick up your
(33:22):
fund and you're like, I don't know what the heck
to listen to, Like I have my go to podcasts, right,
but I think it's really hard to find new podcasts.
There's so many, so many out there. There's like there's
not a ton of places for podcast reviews, and most
of its word of mouth, So we essentially listen to
allan There's and again, so many podcasts out there, but
(33:43):
we essentially listen to all of them to tell you
which ones are good and which ones are worth listening to,
because life is just too short to be listening to
bad podcasts, and we all need I need like a
cool best friend to tell me what to listen to.
So every week I have different podcast hosts and friends
that work in this industry come on and tell us
(34:05):
what they're listening to. By the way, we need you
to come on the pod club and give us your
recommendations to Oh, I would love to. My last girl
and I were recently talking about this because if you
get lashes done, you sit there for an hour. And
I'm friends with my person. I've been going to for
five years and she's become a good friend, so I
(34:26):
want to sit there and talk the whole time. But
apparently that doesn't help her with her job. She needs
me to be still in my eyelids to be still.
So we listen to podcasts every time I'm in and
we run into this problem of what in the world
do we listen to next? And I mean, and she's
got clients all day long. I feel like someone like her.
(34:47):
She's listening to podcasts all day with different clients, and
so this would be a good resource for someone like her.
But it just she popped into my head because we
were just having this conversation. I was laying down on
the table and she was like, so, do we want
something self help today or a murder mystery? Basically, it's
either like somebody killed somebody or we're figuring out how
to make our lives better. That's what we love. Yes,
(35:09):
I mean, well, let's be honest, that is the majority
of most podcasts. It's they're like somebody somebody has murdered,
usually a woman sadly, or or a woman needs help
with something in her life. So that's just that's those
are the categories the podcast totally. And so who are
some of the guests? Well, thank you? First of all,
I'd be happy to come on and do whatever. But
(35:29):
who are some of your guests that are coming on
or who can we look forward to? Oh yeah, So
for one of our first episodes, we had Malcolm Gladwell,
come on. I love his podcasts because I feel like
I walk away smarter, right, I'm like, oh, I totally
just learned something and I like, I think that's the
(35:51):
other category of podcasts, right, It's like you walk away
feeling smarter or funny or like the coolest guest at
our wedding. And so his podcast is revisionist history. It's
a lot of fun. It takes something that we think
that we know a lot about and kind of flips
it on its head and digs a little bit deeper.
I'm glad you say that too, because I do want
to check out his podcast. I had both the physical
(36:12):
copy of Talking to Strangers and then the audio version
because I was reading it, but then my friend told me, hey,
heads up, Like the audio version is really cool because
he inserts like actual news clips from the stories that
he's talking about, and when I was researching more about
it to the audio version of that book is built
(36:34):
very similarly to how he operates his podcast. Yes, yes, exactly.
And so he has his own podcast company where he's
just doing awesome things with how to like change audio
books into podcasts and then podcast in audio books, and
there's a lot of overlap. So everything that he makes
is awesome. His podcast company is called Pushkin. They have
(36:57):
another great podcast if you want, you know, a podcast
about how do I make myself a little bit better
today called the Happiness Lab with Laurie Santos, which is
just dissects everything that could possibly make us happy and
says whether or not it works or not, which is awesome.
I think that your last girl will totally love that one.
When do you listen to podcasts? Most like, where do
(37:18):
you work it into your day? So I have like
three different times that I do podcasts in my day.
I know, the first thing in the morning, I'm just
gonna putter, like at my computer. When I first sit down,
I'm like, oh, I'm going to check my email or
like you know, do my to do list. So I
do it for that half an hour where I'm just
kind of messing around, catching up on on the day,
the day before and what I have to do next.
(37:38):
And then I do it every time I'm walking anywhere,
I que up a podcast, like when I go drop
my kids off at school or pick them up. I
listen in the shower. And then I also listen when
I'm working out. I live in a city, so I
don't drive that often, so I really have to bake
it into my day. And if I know that I'm
listening to a podcast that is family friendly, and not
all of the ones I listened to are. To be honest,
(38:00):
not all the podcasts I make are always family friendly.
But if I am, then I'll listen while I'm playing
with my kids in the afternoon, So I'll put one
on in the background while I'm like, Mommy will totally
do this hundred piece puzzle with you, And then like,
secretly your brain is trying to be and the secretly
my brain is trying to be entertained, because no one
wants to build that hundred piece puzzle with your four years.
You just don't know. Yes, I've been there with some
(38:22):
of those days from like Okay, I'm just gonna put
this on into background and then do you ever listen
to podcasts on you know, time and a half or
do you speed anybody up? I can't do it. I've tried,
and I know that it's such a more efficient way
to get more podcasts in your life, but it sounds
like Alvin and the Chipmunks to me. It sounds too fast.
It freaks me out, So I think it actually takes
(38:42):
away from my enjoyment of a podcast. What freaks me
out is I get used to doing that because again, yes,
I'm trying to consume. I just figured two. With you
hosting this podcast, there's probably a certain amount of pressure
to'll be like, I gotta listen to this, this, this,
and this totally because when you listen to that way
for so long and then you go back to a
regular and you're like, why are they talking so slow?
(39:03):
I know exactly, You're like, oh, wow, the whole world
is on valum now because you're so used to them
essentially being on like three cups of coffee and go, go, go,
go go. Yeah, my friend listens to the Bobby Bones
Show that way because she'll she doesn't listen to the
show live, she listens to the podcast version of it, right, Yeah,
she listens to us on time and a half or
whatever speed she ends up going to. And I think
(39:25):
she has like a special app she even has to
do that through because I don't know if that's an
option everywhere. But and then she's like, yeah, I'm just
so used to all talking so fast, and then when
she talks to us normally, we're not talking very fast
like that. Yeah. So no, I really did try, but no,
I couldn't do it. I couldn't do it. I wish
I could. Well, just a pro tip for people out there,
if you are trying to get through content, and maybe
(39:46):
you do have kids and you can't always be listening
to things, if you listen to it faster, you can
at least try to get it in. Okay, Well, Joe,
thank you so much for coming on, and again you'll
check out the pod Club and we'll talk to you soon.
Great by me, Thanks bye,
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